Participants: Pr. John Lomacang (Host), Lincoln Steed
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017503A
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01:16 >>> HELLO, AND WELCOME TO 3ABN TODAY LIVE.
01:24 YOU KNOW MUCH OF THE WORLD IS INFLUENCED BY THE PROGRAMMING 01:29 THAT GOES FORTH, AND WE THANK THE LORD FOR THAT. 01:33 SO THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN TONIGHT FORA VERY IMPORTANT 01:37 PROGRAM. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I 01:41 CONSIDER IT IMPORTANT IS THIS PROGRAM IS ON THE CUSPET OF A 01:53 CHANGE, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW ADMINISTRATION. 01:59 WE'LL SHARE SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE BELIEVE THE LORD HAS IN 02:02 STORE FOR AMERICA, AND WE'LL COVER ISSUES REGARDING RELIGIOUS 02:11 LIBERTY, AND THINGS HAPPENING FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS 02:14 COUNTRY, AS WELL AS ITS INFLUENCE AROUND THE WORLD. 02:18 IT'S A TWO-HOUR PROGRAM. YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SEND YOUR 02:22 BIBLE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN THE SECOND HOUR. 02:26 MY NAME IS JOHN LOMACANG. IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, 02:30 WELCOME TO THIS NETWORK, AND WE WANT TO PAUSE YOU AND THANK YOU 02:34 ON BEHALF OF DANNY SHELTON THE FOUNDER OF 3ABN FOR YOUR PRAYERS 02:42 AND YOUR FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS THAT KEEP US GOING. 02:47 OUR GUEST TONIGHT IS A GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE, LINCOLN STEED. 02:54 HE IS GOING TO BE OUR HOST FOR THE SECOND TWO HOURS. 02:59 YOU MIGHT WANT TO HIT RECORD, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A 03:02 POWER-PACKED PROGRAM. HE IS A MAN WHO STAYS ABREAST 03:06 WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN POLITIC WITH A BALANCE OF THE 03:09 KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCRIPTURES TO KEEP THAT IN CONNECTION. 03:18 WELCOME, LINCOLN. >> THANK YOU. 03:21 >> I ALMOST WANT TO CALL YOU LINCOLN STEEL. 03:25 >> LIKE THE STABLE HORSE. >> THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 03:28 THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.-I'M EQUALLY EXCITED TO BE HOSTING THE PROGRAM WITH YOU. 03:37 I USE THE PHRASE WE GO DEEP SEA DIVING. 03:42 >> SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT RECENTLY, THAT SAID HISTORY 03:46 WOULD BE GREAT, IF IT WERE TRUE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISBELIEVE 03:52 EVERYTHING, YOU STUDY IT. AND IN ALL REALITY, WE NEED TO 04:00 ASK DEEPER QUESTIONS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 04:02 AND THAT'S WHAT THE LORD WANTS US TO DO, STUDY TO SHOW THY SELF 04:11 APPROVED. WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT 04:13 YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'LL HAVE A STRONGER FOOTING, NOT ON 04:20 FEELINGS, OR SUPPOSITIONS, OR WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT SAY. 04:27 I SAW A PERSON WHO SAID, ACCORDING TO THE MOST FAMOUS 04:33 PERSON, I QUOTE -- AND THE QUOTE WAS WRONG. 04:36 >> HUM. >> WE ALWAYS HAVE MUSIC AND ONE 04:40 OF MY FAVORITE MINISTERS OF MUSIC IS T. MARSHALL KELLY. 04:45 AND HE IS GOING TO BLESS US WITH THE SONG ENTIGHTED "TWO TIME 04:52 MORE." ♪ 05:05 ♪ THE LITTLE BOY BUILT A BOAT, BUILT IT OUT OF LOVE ♪ 05:10 ♪ PUT IT IN THE RIVER ♪ ♪ A STRING TIED THE TWO 05:15 TOGETHER ♪ ♪ BUT THE CURRENT BROKE THAT 05:18 STRING ♪ ♪ AND THE BOAT JUST DRIFTED 05:23 AWAY ♪ ♪ A LITTLE BOY MADE A PROMISE ♪ 05:27 ♪ A TEAR DROP IN HIS EYE ♪ ♪ ONE DAY HE RECLAIMED THE BOAT 05:35 TO BRING THE TWO BACK TOGETHER ♪ ♪ WHILE IT DIDN'T TAKE TOO 05:42 LONG ♪ ♪ BUT WHEN HE SAW THE BOAT IN 05:45 THE WINDOW OF A STORE ♪ ♪ WELL HE SAVED ALL HIS MONEY 05:51 AND HE BOUGHT THE BOAT, AND AS HE WALKED AWAY, YOU COULD HEAR 05:57 HIM SAY ♪ ♪ NOW YOU'RE MINE, MINE ♪ 06:01 ♪ TWO TIMES YOU ARE MINE ♪ ♪ ONCE BECAUSE I MADE YOU ♪ 06:08 ♪ ONCE BECAUSE I BOUGHT YOU ♪ ♪ NOW YOU'RE MINE, MINE, TWO 06:14 TIMES YOU'RE MINE ♪ ♪ BOTH TIMES CAUSE I LOVE YOU 06:21 SO ♪ ♪ GOD MADE A MAN, MADE HIM WITH 06:27 HIS LOVE ♪ ♪ PUT HIM IN THE WORLD AND LOVE 06:33 TIED THE TWO TOGETHER ♪ ♪ BUT THE MAN BROKE THAT LOVE ♪ 06:39 ♪ AND THE MAN JUST DRIFTED AWAY ♪ 06:47 ♪ GOD MADE A PROMISE FROM HIS THROWN ON HIGH ♪ 06:53 ♪ ONE DAY HE WOULD RECLAIM THE MAN, AND BRING THE TWO BACK 06:59 TOGETHER ♪ ♪ WHILE IT DIDN'T TAKE TOO 07:04 LONG ♪ ♪ WHEN HE SENT DOWN, JESUS, HIS 07:10 ONLY SON, SACRIFICED HIS SON THAT DAY ♪ 07:14 ♪ IF YOU LISTEN CLOSE YOU CAN HEAR HIM SAY ♪ 07:20 ♪ YOU'RE MINE, MINE, TWO TIMES YOU'RE MINE ♪ 07:26 ♪ ONCE BECAUSE I MADE YOU ♪ ♪ ONCE BECAUSE I BOUGHT YOU ♪ 07:32 ♪ NOW YOU'RE MINE, MINE, TWO TIMES YOU'RE MINE ♪ 07:40 ♪ BOTH TIMES CAUSE I LOVE YOU SO ♪ 07:46 ♪ BOTH TIMES BECAUSE I LOVE YOU SO ♪ 07:54 ♪ DON'T YOU KNOW GOD LOVES EACH ONE OF YOU SO ♪ 08:15 >>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ELDER KELLY. 08:18 ONE OF MY FAVORITE SINGERS IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS A VERY 08:24 SPIRITUAL MAN AND A MENTOR TO MANY OF US WHO ARE NOT IN THE 08:28 MINISTRY AS LONG AS HE HAS BEEN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR MINISTRY, 08:32 "TWO TIME MORE." THANK YOU FOR THAT SONG VERY 08:34 MUCH. LINCOLN IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU 08:37 HERE AS I SAID AT THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM, AS THEY WOULD SAY IN 08:42 AUSTRALIA. I'LL WORK ON MY ACCENT. 08:45 >> OR AS MOST PEOPLE THINK IT IS AUSTRIA. 08:50 [ LAUGHTER ] >> AND YOU HAVE -- GIVE US SOME 08:52 OF YOUR BACKGROUND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO MAY HAVE 08:56 NEVER MET YOU BEFORE. >> I DON'T WANT TOO SAY TOO 09:00 MUCH. BUT I GREW UP IN MY EARLY YEARS 09:04 IN AUSTRALIA. I LIVED ABOUT 40 YEARS IN THE 09:08 U.S. BUT I WENT BACK BRIEFLY, WORKED 09:10 IN AUSTRALIA. I HAVE BEEN IN EDITING, 09:14 PUBLICING MOST OF MY LIFE. BEEN WITH "LIBERTY MAGAZINE" FOR 09:21 19-PLUS YEARS NOW. AND TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD 09:24 LIKE TO BE DEFINED AS, THE EDITOR OF "LIBERTY." 09:29 WE ALL SHOULD REALIZE WE STAND ON THE SHOULDERS OF A LOT OF 09:34 PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE US. IN MY MINE GROWING UP, IT WAS 09:41 ROWLAND HICKSTON. SO TO ME IT IS A GREAT 09:44 PRIVILEGE. IT'S EXCITING, AND AS YOU 09:47 MENTIONED BEFORE -- PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO 09:52 HAPPEN IN THE U.S. US, IT IS JUST THRILLING. 09:55 JUST TO SEE HISTORY IN FAST MOTION. 09:58 ELLEN WHITE WROTE TO THE ADVENTIST AUDIENCE OF HER DAY, 10:02 AND SAID THE FINAL MOVEMENTS WOULD BE RAPID ONES. 10:05 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED HOW 10:09 QUICK WE GO BACK TO THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSING IN A FEW 10:14 MONTHS. WE SEE OTHER THINGS, BREXIT AND 10:18 SO ON. THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, GLOBAL 10:22 WARMING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 10:23 >> IF WE BELIEVE THE SIGN ADVERTISES, THIS IS THE WARMEST 10:26 YEAR ON RECORD. DID YOU KNOW THAT? 10:29 THE YEAR THAT JUST FINISHED? 2016? 10:33 AND I HEARD THAT '17 IS SHAPING UP TO BE THE SAME. 10:38 THINGS ARE A FOOT. >> AND THE STAGE IS BEING SET 10:43 FOR THINGS TO JUST FALL IN PLACE. 10:45 >> PROPHECY IS VERY PLAIN. BUT IF YOU KNOW HISTORY, WHEN 10:51 YOU FEED IN THESE BIG ISSUES LIKE GLOBAL WARMING, THAT WILL 10:55 HAVE MASSIVE POLITICAL, SOCIOECONOMIC RAMIFICATIONS. 10:58 THE U.S. MILITARY KNOW THIS. THEY HAVE WRITTEN -- OR HAVE 11:02 THEY HAVE HAD PAPERS FOR YEARS SAYING THAT FEMININE IN A 11:07 CERTAIN AREA LEADS DIRECTLY TO WAR. 11:09 >> THATS RIGHT. >> FOR WANT OF A NAIL, A SHOE IS 11:13 LOST, FOR WANT OF A SHOE, A HORSE WAS LOS, FOR WANT OF A 11:18 HORSE A BATTLE WAS LOSS. FOR WANT OF A BATTLE A KINGDOM 11:23 IS LOSS. GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT LITTLE, 11:27 BUT A RELATIVELY LITTLE THING CAN HAVE INCREDIBLY FAR-REACHING 11:32 CONSEQUENCES. AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP WITH 11:35 RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, IT IMPOUNDS ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS THE 11:42 WHOLE GAY MOVEMENT, GAY MARRIAGE AND SO ON. 11:44 >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S AN IMMENSE SOCIAL 11:52 EXPERIMENT FOR THE SECULAR WORLD. 11:57 IT CAN THROW THE WHOLE ECONOMY OUT OF WHACK. 11:59 IT HAS ISSUES FOR CHILD REARING. IT GOES ON AND ON, AND THE WAVES 12:05 FOR THAT -- THERE'S SO MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT 12:10 HAVEN'T YET REVEALED THEMSELVES, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT ALONE HAS 12:13 THE ABILITY TO -- TO DESTABILIZE THE WHOLE CULTURE. 12:17 >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. 12:18 >> APART FROM THE MORALITY OF IT. 12:22 >> THAT IS THE FOUNDATION FROM THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE OF IT. 12:26 >> LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF OUR CULTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED 12:30 RADICALLY BY SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN ITSELF BAD, THE WOMEN'S 12:44 SUFFICIENT RAIJ MOVEMENT. THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING 12:48 DRAMATICALLY. A BIGGER WORKFORCE, OVERLOAD OF 12:51 THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE GOOD, 12:54 MIGHT JUST SEEM NORMAL, WHATEVER, THE EFFECTS OF THAT 12:58 CAN BE RADICALLY SHIFTING TO THE DYNAMIC, AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 13:03 THEM ON EVERY HAND. IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING. 13:06 >> UH-HUH. >> I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. 13:09 IT'S EVERYWHERE, AND TECHNOLOGY IS JUST THROWING US INTO THE 13:13 FURNACE. >> AND IT'S TOO FAST FOR US TO 13:16 KEEP UP WITH. >> YEAH. 13:20 >> AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ANOTHER AGENDA, AND WHEN YOU TRY 13:24 TO SOLVE ISSUES LIKE RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA, WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF 13:33 A NEW ADMINISTRATION. AND A LOT OF PRAYER FROM SO MANY 13:39 INDIVIDUALS, AND I SAY THAT RESPECTFULLY, EVEN THE 13:43 POLITICIANS, EVEN THOSE THAT STOOD ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER 13:47 DIDN'T EVEN ENVISION THAT AMERICA WOULD BE MOVING IN THIS 13:50 DIRECTION. HOWEVER, FOR THE FACT THAT GOD 13:52 ALLOWED IT, THERE IS SOMETHING WE MUST LEARN IN THE NEAR 13:56 FUTURE. >> IT'S CAUSE AND EFFECT, WE'RE 14:00 TOLD. GOD HAS HIS HAND OVER THE 14:02 BIGGEST PICTURE, BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT HE IS LETTING 14:06 CAUSE AND EFFECT PLAY OUT TO SHOW THE RESULT OF WRONG 14:09 ACTIONS, AND GOOD ACTIONS. >> THAT'S TRUE. 14:13 >> AND BE VINDICATED. BUT ONE THING I WANT TO SAY, I 14:17 THINK WE'RE AT AN EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT, BUT NOT THE ONLY 14:22 EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT IN YOUR OR MY LIFETIME. 14:25 I CAN REMEMBER AS A Y YOUK -- YOUNG BOY IN AUSTRALIA, 14:33 WHEN A ROMAN CATHOLIC WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT, JOHN KENNEDY. 14:42 JUST THE FACT THAT A ROMAN CATHOLIC WAS ELECTED. 14:46 WE EXPECTED THIS WOULD BE THE END OF PROTESTANT AMERICA. 14:51 WE COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED THAT HE WOULD GIVE SUCH A RESOUNDING 14:56 STATEMENT WHERE HE SAID NO, THE RELIGIOUS A LEADER OR ANYONE 15:01 LIKE THAT IS GOING TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO. 15:05 HE SO AFFIRMED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, THAT NOT THIS 15:11 LAST ELECTION CYCLE, BUT THE ONE BEFORE, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC 15:16 BISHOPS MADE A STATEMENT. THEY SAID THEY MADE A HUGE 15:22 MISTAKE NOT FORCING JOHN F KENNEDY IN ENFORCING THE 15:34 DICTATES OF THE CHURCH, AND THEY WOULD NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE 15:37 AGAIN. >> WOW. 15:38 >> AND THEN IN THE 60S, THE SENATOR THAT EVERYONE THOUGHT 15:47 WAS GOING TO BRING NUCLEAR WAR UPON US. 15:50 AND THE 68 -- >> BARRY GOLDWATER? 15:56 >> YES, GOLDWATER. IT WAS LIKE THE SKY WAS FALLING. 15:59 IT'S THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. 16:01 >> RIGHT. >> AND GOING FURTHER BACK, 16:06 ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS THE MOST DIVISIVE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE 16:10 AND WINNER OF THE CONTEST. HIS MERE TAKING OFFICE 16:17 PRECIPITATED CIVIL WAR. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 16:19 HE -- EVEN HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. >> NO. 16:22 I'M NOT SURE HE HELPED IT MUCH INITIALLY. 16:26 BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CIVIL WAR. 16:30 BECAUSE IT WAS KNOWN IF HE WERE ELECTED THINGS WERE GOING TO 16:35 HAPPEN. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 16:36 >> SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW NOW. ALL WE KNOW WE'RE ON A QUANTUM 16:42 SHIFT FROM NORMALCY. >> AND WE HAVE HAD MANY PAPER 16:47 TIGERS IN HISTORY, OR PAPER ARMAGEDDONS. 16:56 AND GROWING UP -- I'M NOW IN MY 50S -- I WILL NOW ADMIT THAT. 17:02 [ LAUGHTER ] >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. 17:03 >> FORGET THAT. BUT I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG 17:06 ENOUGH TO KNOW, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OFFICES, EVERY 17:10 ELECTION, SOMEBODY IS UPSET -- >> RIGHT. 17:13 >> THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS IN AMERICA. 17:16 >> ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BECOME TOO PARTISAN, WHICH I ALSO THINK 17:21 IS DANGEROUS FOR A CHRISTIAN. WE'RE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 17:26 GOVERNMENT, BUT IT'S SORT OF A SIREN SONG FOR PEOPLE LOOKING 17:30 FOR ANOTHER WORLD AND A GOD ABOVE THIS WORLD TO BECOME TOO 17:35 ENAMORED, BECAUSE IT'S FULL OF WARS AND PUSHES AND COUPS, 17:41 AND -- >> OF ONE TYPE OR ANOTHER. 17:44 >> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT POLITICS IS WARFARE BY ANOTHER 17:48 MEANS. >> THAT'S TRUE. 17:49 >> BUT AS FAR AS THIS RECENT CHANGE, NOBODY SIX MONTHS AGO OR 17:53 A YEAR AGO, COULD HAVE QUITE GUESSED THE OUTCOME OF THIS 17:58 ELECTION. BUT THE BIBLE SAYS YOU 18:01 REAP -- YOU GO TO THE WIND YOU REAP THE WHIRLWIND. 18:05 WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? 18:08 EIGHT YEARS AGO WE HAD ONE POLITICAL PARTY THAT REFUSED TO 18:13 COOPERATE WHATSOEVER. WE HAD CONGRESS BEING SEEN AS 18:17 INEFFECTIVE AND THE PEOPLE HAVE LOST FAITH IN IT. 18:20 WE -- FURTHER, ALL OF THE SURVEYS SHOW THAT A GOOD 18:25 PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION HAVE NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THE 18:30 CONSTITUTION, PROVEN BY THE CONTINUES YOU FOOLISH STATEMENTS 18:36 BY WHY DOESN'T A MAJORITY GO? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 18:43 >> AND THE CONTINUING MALIGNING OF THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT. 18:52 THE CRITIQUES WERE OF A DESTRUCTIVE PERSONAL NATURE THAT 19:00 TENDED TO DELEGITIMIZE THE PRESIDENCY ITSELF. 19:03 SO IT'S NO WONDER THAT WE HAVE COME TO THE POINT WHERE THE 19:07 WHOLE OFFICE IS PERILOUSLY CLOSE TO A SORT OF -- YOU KNOW, DARK 19:16 COMEDY. >> AND AS AMERICANS WE HAVE TO 19:19 RECOGNIZE THAT THE ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE OF POLITICS IN 19:24 AMERICA IS FOR THE PHRASE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, 19:27 HOWEVER, SO MANY PEOPLE NOT BEING AWARE OF THEIR RIGHTS, ARE 19:31 NOT AT THE PLACE WHERE THEY COULD FIRMLY STAND ON THE 19:35 KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO. 19:39 >> VIGILANCE IS THE PRICE OF OPPORTUNITY. 19:44 VIGILANCE SHOULD BE KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS OF YOUR OWN 19:47 STRUCTURE. AND I'M NOT PAINTING THE EPITATH 20:01 OF THE UNITED STATES. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE END OF 20:04 AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. BUT IT COULD BE THE BEGINNING OF 20:08 AMERICA IN ITS FUTURE FORM. >> UH-HUH. 20:11 >> AND YOU AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S STRONG INDICATIONS FROM 20:16 PROPHECY, THAT THE UNITED STATES WILL TURN INTO AN AUTHORITARIAN 20:22 FORM AND BEGIN TO INFLUENCE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK. 20:27 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF NATIONS, THAT'S REALLY THE 20:34 WAY THE PATENT OF POWER PROCEEDS. 20:37 >> BUT IN AMERICA -- >> WE'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM HUMAN 20:42 BEHAVIOR AND GROUP PSYCHOLOGY. >> RIGHT. 20:44 BUT IN AMERICA, WE SAY WE ARE A FREE NATION, A FREE CULTURE. 20:50 AND WHENEVEREN OUR FREEDOMS ARE CHALLENGED, ONE OF THE DANGERS 20:55 IN AMERICA AS A CITIZEN IS FIRST OF ALL NOT BEING AWARE OF WHAT 20:59 YOUR COUNTRY STANDINGS FOR, BUT I WANT TO GET TO THAT IN JUST A 21:04 MOMENT. I WANT TO MAKE A PLUG, VERY 21:07 IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE 21:09 INVITED YOU, ABOUT "LIBERTY MAGAZINE," MANY OF YOU IF YOU 21:14 WANT TO EFFECT CHANGE OR INFLUENCE THE DIRECTION OF YOUR 21:17 LOCAL POLITICS, YOUR MAYOR, YOUR GOVERNOR, PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE 21:22 DECISIONS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, "LIBERTY 21:26 MAGAZINE" IS SIGNIFICANT TO HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION. 21:29 IT HAS A RICH HERITAGE AS YOU MENTIONED, AND THIS YEAR IN 21:34 PARTICULAR IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT YEAR. 21:35 WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WHY THIS YEAR IS SO VITALLY 21:42 IMPORTANT WHN IT COMES TO LIBERTY ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA 21:46 OF RELIGION. WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO SUBSCRIBE 21:52 AND GET THESE IN THE HANDS OF YOUR LOCAL POLITICIANS, YOUR 21:56 LOCAL CHIEF OF POLICE, LOCAL ACTIVISTS. 21:59 PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, NOT ONLY FROM A 22:03 POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT WHAT HAVE THE FORMER GOVERNMENTS 22:06 DONE? AND HOW HAS THAT SHAPED AMERICA? 22:09 WHAT ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND PROTESTANTISM. 22:15 I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT. OUR KETTLES ARE GOING VERY 22:19 QUICKLY. BUT HERE IS THE INFORMATION IF 22:25 YOU WANT TO SEND QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 22:28 YOU CAN SEND IT TO LIFE@3ABN.TV. OR IF YOU WANT TO CALL, CALL 22:38 618-627-4651. AND IN THE SECOND HOUR, WE'LL 22:42 TRY TO FIELD YOUR QUESTIONS. AND TRY TO MAKE THEM AS CONCISE 22:45 AS YOU CAN, SO WE CAN INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING YOUR 22:50 QUESTIONS READ ON THE AIR. 2015, WE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET IN 22:55 WASHINGTON, D.C. >> YES. 22:56 >> I WAS INVITED BY ONE OF THE SENATORS IN THE STATE OF 23:00 ILLINOIS TO BE PRESENT WHEN POPE FRANCIS ADDRESSED CONGRESS, AND 23:05 AS I WAS THERE, I REMEMBERED I HAD AN EXTRA TICKET AND YOUR 23:09 NAME IMMEDIATELY CAME TO MY MIND. 23:12 AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO GET TOGETHER AND YOU WERE PRESENT 23:15 THERE. WHAT DO YOU THINK -- LET ME 23:20 REPHRASE THAT. AS YOU LISTENED TO THE POPE'S 23:23 ADDRESS TO CONGRESS, WHAT DID YOU HEAR, AND WHAT ANALYSIS CAN 23:27 YOU GIVE US ABOUT WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT? 23:29 >> WELL, HOW MANY HOURS DO WE HAVE? 23:32 [ LAUGHTER ] >> NO, THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE 23:35 MOMENT FOR ME. JUST AS A POINT OF HISTORY, 23:38 FORGET RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, FORFO 23:46 FORGETRY RELIGION, THAT WAS A MARKABLE MOMENT. 23:51 THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT. 23:54 IT WAS CONSCIOUSLY SET UP AS A NEW SECULAR ORDER. 23:57 IT WAS SET UP TO PROTECT RELIGION, BECAUSE WHILE THE 24:03 CLICHE THAT THE GRADE SCHOOL KIDS GET IS NOT QUITE TRUE, THIS 24:07 WAS NOT UNIVERSALLY RELIGIOUS IMMIGRATION, BUT THERE WAS A 24:12 STRONG FLAVOR OF THAT. THERE WERE CONTINUOUS RELIGIOUS 24:19 WARS IN THE OLD WORLD. I LIVE LITERALLY FIVE, TEN MILES 24:28 AWAY. AND THERE ARE THE AMISH AND MEN 24:37 NON-ITS, AND THEY WERE FLE FLEEING -- PERSECUTION. 24:48 THERE WAS CONCERN THE BAPTISTS WOULD BE PERSECUTED. 25:00 BY LAW IT KEPT THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE RELIGION BUSINESS. 25:04 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO, YES, THIS IS A STATE THAT 25:08 HAD A STRONG SENSE OF RELIGION, BUT SECULAR BY DESIGN. 25:13 AND BACK WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS SET UP, IT WAS PRIMARILY 25:18 ENGLISH. SINCE IT HAS BECOME MORE OF A 25:21 MIXING POT. AND IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY 25:25 PROTESTANT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 25:26 >> AND WITH RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, WE DEFEND THE RIGHT FOR ANYONE 25:33 WHO BELIEVED WHAT THEY WANT. BUT THE PROTESTANT CULTURE THAT 25:37 AT TIMES WAS -- WAS EVEN VIOLENTLY OPPOSED TO POTPOURRI 25:43 AS THEY CALLED IT, THAT HAD A THREAD EVEN OF MILLENNIALISM 25:49 MIXED IN WITH IT, PROPHETIC SENSE -- 25:51 >> FORWARD LOOKING. >> TO NOW HAVE THE REVITALIZED 25:56 POPE OF ROME AS A POLITICAL POWER -- HE BASICALLY LECTURED 26:05 OUR LEGISLATURES. HE WAS THERE TO SET THEM 26:09 STRAIGHT. >> AND HE GAVE THEM HIS AGENDA. 26:12 I READ THE SPEECH. I READ THE TRANSCRIPT. 26:15 >> HE CALLED THEM OUT. AND I THINK THAT LEAD DIRECTLY 26:20 TO SPEAKER BOEHNER'S RESIGNATION. 26:27 >> WHEN HE SAID THIS, HE SAID WE MUST MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS 26:32 ONE IN A RENEWED SPIRIT OF SOLIDARITY, COOPERATING FOR THE 26:39 COMMON GOOD. AND WHEN I WAS THERE -- I DID 26:41 SOME INTERVIEWS ON THE LAWN, AND TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT 26:46 EVEN CATHOLIC, AND THEY SAID THIS IS OUR POPE. 26:49 HE IS AMERICA'S POPE. AND I SAID THEN YOU MUST BE 26:55 CATHOLIC. NO. 26:55 AND SOME WERE NOT EVEN CHRISTIANS. 26:57 AND THEY SAID THIS IS A DECIDING MOMENT FOR AMERICA. 27:01 THIS IS THE MAN THAT CAN -- >> YEAH, THE MAN OF THE HOUR. 27:05 WE DON'T WANT TO MALIGN HIM PERSONALLY. 27:09 AND YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM HIS POSITION HE WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE 27:13 OF ANY OPPORTUNITY. BUT IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE SHIFT. 27:19 THE SENSIBILITY OF RELIGIOUS IDENTITY AND -- AND -- AND AIMS, 27:25 AND THE WHOLE REASON -- I THINK YOU ELUDED TO IT, THE REAON FOR 27:32 THE REFORMATION, PROTESTANTISM, IT'S LIKE GONE WITH A PUFF OF 27:40 WIND. AND YES, I LISTENED TO THAT 27:43 SPEECH. AND IT WAS CALLING FOR 27:44 A --BASICALLY COME TOGETHER. BUT HE WAS THERE TO FOLLOW 27:51 THROUGH ON A DOCUMENT THAT HE HAD WRITTEN -- I'M TRYING TO 27:57 THINK OF THE -- WHAT WAS THE NAME OF IT. 28:00 NOT -- >> THE DOCUMENT -- 28:02 >> I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE ONE THE YEAR BEFORE. 28:06 THE DOCUMENT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. AND IN THE ENVIRONMENT HE LAID 28:09 OUT A PLAN THAT ITSELF WAS A FOLLOW ONFROM -- FROM HIS 28:16 PREDECESSOR'S DOCUMENT, WHICH MENTIONED THE ENVIRONMENT, 28:19 ECONOMIC COLLAPSE AND EVERYTHING, AND IN THAT BENEDICT 28:23 HAD SAID THERE IS A NEED FOR A GLOBAL AUTHORITY WITH THE POWER 28:28 TO ACT AND ENFORCE. THE AGENDA IS TO BRING THE 28:32 NATIONS TOGETHER TO AS THE POPE SAID IN HIS SPEECH TO CONGRESS, 28:37 FOR A SPECIAL AGENDA, BUT WE MUST REJECT EXTREMISTS, AND 28:44 FUNDAMENTALS. IT'S REALLY MY AGENDA, LET'S GO 28:47 WITH IT. BUT IF YOU DIFFER WITH IT, WE'LL 28:51 DEAL WITH THAT. >> AND HOW FITTING IT IS THAT 28:56 THIS IS THE 500TH YEAR OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION. 29:01 I READ AN ARTICLE, AND MANY OF YOU HAVE WHICH AREN 3ABN AND 29:09 SENT A REQUEST FOR THE EMAIL. IT WILL BE MIN INITIALLED BEFORE 29:15 THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. I'M ALMOST DONE. 29:18 IT HAS BEEN -- PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOUGHEST WORKS I HAVE PUT 29:22 TOGETHER ON FOLLOWING THE MOVEMENTS OF PROTESTANTISM IN 29:29 AMERICA, CATHOLICISM IN AMERICA. BUT THIS WAS SAID BY POPE JOHN 29:35 PAUL. HE SAYS SPECIFICALLY, TODAY I 29:38 COME TO YOU, THE SPIRITUAL INHERITANCE OF MARTIN LUTHER. 29:43 I ALSO COME AS A PILL GRAM. IN A CHANGING WORLD I COME TO 29:48 SET A SIGN OF UNION. BUT THE POPE DEFENDED THE 29:51 CATHOLIC STANDING ON AN ISSUE, THE LUTHERANS SAY IS ESSENTIAL 29:57 TO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FAITHS. 30:03 IF YOU LET US RECEIVE COMMUNION, WE CAN CONSIDER THIS. 30:07 BUT THE ISSUES HAVE ESCALATED INTO DIFFERENT ISSUES ALL 30:14 TOGETHER. MARTIN LUTHER WAS CONSIDERED THE 30:17 MAN THAT CAUSED THE SPLIT. >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. 30:24 AND NEITHER YOU NOR I WOULD DEFEND EVERYTHING THAT MARTIN 30:34 LUTHER DID. >> RIGHT. 30:35 >> BUT HE WAS ON TO SOMETHING. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN ITS 30:40 MANIFESTATION IN HIS DAY, AND IT HAD BECOME VERY POLITICAL, IT 30:46 HAD ACCRUED AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PAGAN PRACTICING AND 30:54 EVERYTHING ELSE. AND HE HAD A BLINDING MOMENT 30:58 WHEN HE WENT TO ROME, AND DE DEFENDED HIM. 31:03 AND HE BECAME CONVINCED THAT THE TRUTH LAY IN THE HOLY WRITINGS, 31:09 RATHER THAN AS HE HAD BEEN TAUGHT ALL THE WAY. 31:12 THE CHURCH AUTHORITIES. CHURCH FATHERS AND SO ON. 31:16 THOSE ARE VALID PRINCIPLES THAT I THINK ARE ETERNAL. 31:21 AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IN A WORLD FULL OF CONFLICT, THERE WOULD BE 31:25 A CERTAIN HUMAN NECESSITY OR URGE FOR PROTESTANT LEADERS, AND 31:30 THE ROMAN CATHOLICS TO KISS AND MAKE UP TO A POINT. 31:34 >> RIGHT. >> BUT TO SWEP ASIDE REAL 31:38 DIFFERENCES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN RESOLVED, AND TO SAY THE 31:43 REFORMATION IS OVER IS FOOLISH. >> DO YOU FIND IT A DANGER WHEN 31:53 OTHER RELIGIOUS LEADERS SAY WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH ROME -- 31:58 >> I THINK THEY ARE RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE 32:02 AS SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE WARNED AGAINST. 32:04 WE STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT THE UNITED STATES, AND IN MANY WAYS, 32:09 A LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC TRADITION BASED ON THE CONSTITUTION AND IN 32:15 THE STREAM OF -- OF FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE FROM ENGLAND R 32:22 RICHAL -- ORIGINALLY. THAT'S DRIFTING AWAY. 32:26 SO IN THE CHRISTIAN WORLD WHEN WE LOSE A SENSE OF WHAT MADE US 32:30 WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE SITTING DUCKS FOR ANY ONE THAT COMES AROUND. 32:38 IT'S OF NO CONSEQUENCE THAT ROME EXISTS. 32:45 MORMONS, MUSLIMS, BUDDHISTS, I CAN'T QUESTION THAT. 32:50 BUT THE LOSS OF IDENTITY, REAL ISSUES THAT IN THE PAST PEOPLE 32:57 DIED FOR OR WERE KILLED FOR, IT'S A REALLY LOSS OF OUR 33:04 PRINCIPLES. AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT. 33:06 THE DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES THAT WE HAVE CAE OUT OF THE 33:11 REFORMATION. THEY DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE 33:15 MEDIEVAL WORLD? THEY DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE 33:18 VIEWS THAT THE MEDIEVAL CHURCH WAS PROMULGATING. 33:21 THEY WERE A REACTION TO IT. YOU READ MY EDITORIAL. 33:27 >> OH, YEAH. >> I MAKE A BRIGHT LINE. 33:31 THE 30-YEAR WAR, THERE WAS A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER POPULATION. 33:39 8 MILLION PEOPLE DIED AND THE ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE COLLAPSED. 33:43 AGRICULTURE AND EVERYTHING WAS GONE. 33:45 AND AT THE END OF THE 30 YEARS, THEY GOT TOGETHER AND 116 33:54 DELEGATIONS, I THINK, THAT REPRESENTED DIFFERENT PEOPLE 33:58 GROUPS AND POTENTIAL NATIONS, STRUCK A GRAND DOCUMENT THAT 34:03 BIRTHED THE MODERN WORLD SYSTEM THAT WE LIVE UNDER NOW. 34:07 BEFORE THEN THERE WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE, THE BARBARIANS ON THE 34:13 BORDERS, AND THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, UNDER THE AUSPICES OF 34:22 THE HOPE. THAT DIDN'T RECOGNIZE PEOPLE OR 34:25 POLITICAL BOUNDARIES. SO THE IDEA OF A SOVEREIGN 34:29 STATE, THE IDEA OF SOME STATES THAT WERE PROTESTANT, SOME WERE 34:35 CATHOLIC, BUT THIS COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF THE REFORMATION, 34:38 AND IT'S A PRINCIPLE OF HUMAN, AND NATIONAL RIGHTS THAT WAS 34:46 ALIEN TO THE OLD WORLD AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC ECONOMY. 34:50 WE WILL GO BACK TO THAT IF WE RETRACE ON ALL OF THESE FRONTS, 34:56 THESE STEPS THAT WERE PART OF THE REFORMATION AND PART OF THE 35:02 DEVELOPMENT OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. 35:04 >> WHAT IS THE DANGER IF WE SAY IN AMERICA, WE'RE A CHRISTIAN 35:09 NATION. >> YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT IS 35:11 CHRISTIAN. AND WHO IS CHRISTIAN. 35:12 AND THE GOVERNMENT DEALS WITH LAWS. 35:14 SO WHO IS A CHRISTIAN? YOU AND I EVEN WITHIN THE 35:20 ADVENTIST CHURCH, WE MIGHT HAVE VARYING YOUS. 35:24 YOU STEP OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND THEY MIGHT BE WORSHIPPING, YOU 35:28 KNOW, IMAGES AND -- AND SO ON, AND STILL CALL THEMSELVES 35:33 CHRISTIAN. OR THEY MIGHT BE -- YOU KNOW, 35:35 THE CHRISTIAN PROSPERITY GOSPEL. A THOUSAND THINGS. 35:41 AND I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN THE MODERN DAY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH 35:47 WHEN IT GAINS POWER IS GOING TO GRANT TO ALL, THE PROTECTION AND 35:51 RIGHT OF BEING PART OF WHAT THEY SAY IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. 35:58 THE EUNICETY OF SALVATION SAID VERY PLAIN THEY ARE CHRISTIAN IN 36:04 A CERTAIN SENSE, BUT THERE ARE SEPARATED SENSES. 36:12 IT IS VERY OMINOUS. >> MATTER IN FACT JULY 12, 2007, 36:19 WHEN THE POPE SAID OTHER CHURCHES ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. 36:23 THIS IS THE ONLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH. 36:24 >> YEAH. >> 75 TO 100 MILLION PROTESTANTS 36:29 UNDER THE WORLD ALLIANCE OF REFORM CHURCHES REBUTTALED THAT 36:34 AND SAID HOW CAN YOU -- >> WELL, IT WAS A SHOCKING 36:38 WAKE-UP CAL. IF YOU TALK ABOUT RELIGIOUS 36:43 FREEDOM THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY THAT, BUT NOT TO IMPOSE IT. 36:47 >> RIGHT. >> AND HOW WILL THEY IMPOSE IT? 36:51 WHEN THEY ALIGN WITH STATE POWER. 36:53 THAT'S WHY IT HAS BEEN SUCH A PROTECTIVE ENABLING ELEMENT. 36:59 WE DON'T REALIZE, EVEN PEOPLE WHO READ HISTORY, WHAT ANOMALY 37:06 THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC IS IN THE WHOLE STREAM OF HISTORY. 37:13 ADMITTEDLY ENGLAND -- IT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED IN AUSTRALIA AND 37:18 NEW ZEALAND AND CANADA, THEY HAVE ROUGHLY THE SAME FREEDOM 37:21 AND OPENNESS THAT THE U.S. HAS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE 37:25 TAKING THEIR READING FROM THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, AND THIS 37:35 LANDMARK DECISION TO SEPARATE CHURCH AND STATE. 37:38 AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO GAIN 37:43 POLITICAL POWER, THEY THINK TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. 37:47 THAT IS SORT OF THEIR THING. WE WILL BE GREAT AS WE USE THE 37:51 POWER OF LAW TO PROTECT OUR CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. 37:55 BUT IT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS FIRST COERCION, AND SECONDLY A 38:05 DISCRIMINATION ON THE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. 38:06 WHO IS THIS CHRISTIAN CITIZEN? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 38:10 YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE PARAMETERS. 38:13 >> AND THE CHANCES OF A GOVERNMENT BEING RIGHT ON 38:17 ANYTHING OF THAT FINE DISTINCTION ARE MINIMAL. 38:21 >> ANY TIME THESE STATEMENTS ARE MADE FROM A POWER THAT IS ALMOST 38:27 ENCOMPASSING THE WORLD, THEY AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO BE PUSHED 38:37 ASIDE. THE COMMENT WAS MADE YOU BELIEVE 38:41 IN RELIGIOUS FREEDOM WHEN YOU APPEAL TO THE STATE TO ENFORCE 38:50 YOURS LAWS. SO WHEN WE HAVE THESE ISSUES 38:54 THAT ARE NOT NEW IN AMERICA, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA, 38:58 AMERICA IS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE, THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. 39:02 WE HAVE TO BE BRAVE TO BE LIVING THE WAY WE ARE. 39:06 BUT IF AMERICA IS A NATION THAT IS GOING TO OFFER FREEDOM TO ALL 39:10 OF ITS CITIZENS, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MINE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE 39:16 CANNOT AFFORD TO ENFORCE THE BELIEFS OF ANY ONE SINGLE POWER. 39:20 >> ANY TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED IN WORLD HISTORY, IT HAS TURNED OUT 39:27 BADLY. BECAUSE SOMEBODY GETS 39:32 PERSECUTED. VATICAN 2, I HOPE EVERYBODY 39:38 UNDERSTANDS, THERE WAS A PIVOTAL CONFERENCE CALLED, THE ROMAN 39:44 CATHOLIC PRIESTS, AND CARDINALS, ALL GOT TOGETHER. 39:51 AND IT WENT OVER SEVERAL YEARS. AND IT REALLY WAS A BREATHE OF 39:57 FRESH AIR IN ROMAN CATHOLICISM. THEY GOT AWAY FROM THE 40:03 OBLIGATION TO HAVE THE LATIN MASS. 40:05 IT MADE THEIR SERVICES MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MANY PEOPLE. 40:12 BUT FROM A RELIGIOUS DIGNITY PERSPECTIVE, FATHER McMURRAY WAS 40:23 REALLY PIVOTAL FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, 40:30 AFTER THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, WHICH FOLLOWED THE REFORMATION 40:36 WHEN ALL HELL WAS UNLEASHED AGAINST THE PROTESTANTS, THAT 40:43 WAS LEFT. AND HERE VATICAN 2 PASSED THE 40:47 STATEMENT ABOUT THE DIGNITY OF MAN, AND IT SAID EVERYBODY HAS 40:53 THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THEIR RELIGION AND TO NOT BE COERCED. 40:58 AND THAT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEFORE. 41:02 AND IT EXPLAINS THE NEW OPENNESS. 41:07 THE TROUBLE IS, I BELIEVE IT IS A SUPERFICIAL FIX. 41:15 >> MATTER FACT THE BISHOPS ASKED ROME, IS THIS ADVANCING A 41:25 CHANGE? SO IT BECAME SOMEWHAT 41:29 CONTROVERSIAL. >> AND IT STILL IS. 41:39 I WAS AT A WONDERFUL ALL-DAY SEMINAR AT A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY 41:45 A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY ROMAN 41:52 CATHOLICS THERE. AND I WENT THERE TO HEAR 41:58 CARDINAL DOLEN WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE U.S. CATHOLIC BISHOPS. 42:06 VERY LIKABLE PERSON. AND HE WAS THE FIRST SPEAKER, 42:11 AND I SAT AT A TABE, AND I WAS LISTENING TO THEM TALK ABOUT 42:18 THEIR COMMITMENT TO RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. 42:26 AND HE WAS CARRYING WORTH ON THIS, AND GETTING ON TO THEIR 42:31 OPPOSITION TO OBAMACARE, WHICH I THINK IS A FORCED CONFLICT. 42:37 AND I WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE HIM AS HE WAS TALKING. 42:40 AND IN MY VIEW, HE WAS GIVING HIS VIEW, BUT WAS HAVING A 42:45 LITTLE DISCUSSION INSIDE. AND HE REACHED THE BUFFER, AND 42:48 THERE WAS NOTHING MORE TO COME. AND HE STOPPED AND LOOKED 42:52 AROUND, AND HE SAID ROMAN CATHOLICS IN THE PAST WOULD NOT 42:57 HAVE SPOKEN THIS WAY ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. 43:00 HE SAID ROMAN CATHOLICS ONCE HELD THAT ERROR HAS NO RIGHTS. 43:06 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THEN HE CONTINUED. 43:09 AND IT WAS A BOMBSHELL. HE FLOPPED DOWN NEXT TO ME ALL 43:13 HAPPY. SO I TALKED TO HIM BRIEFLY, AND 43:17 INVITED HIM TO VISIT OUR HEADQUARTERS, WHICH NEVER 43:22 HAPPENED. BUT THEY HAD A SHORT BREAK AND 43:25 THEN WENT TO THE NEXT SESSION. WHERE THERE WAS A THEOLOGIAN, 43:34 AND A HISTORIAN. IMMEDIATELY THE AUDIENCE YELLED 43:39 OUT. WHAT WAS THE CARDINAL TALKING 43:42 ABOUT? AND THEY SPENT THE ENTIRE 43:46 ONE-HOUR SESSION TELLING CATHOLICS ABOUT WHAT WE JUST 43:49 WENT THROUGH. THEY HAD TO BE TOLD. 43:51 THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND I BELIEVE IT'S AN INDICATOR 43:54 THAT THERE'S A SEA CHANGE, VATICAN 2 IS NOT UNIVERSALLY 44:00 ACCEPTED, AND THE DAY THAT VATICAN 2 IS OPENLY PUT ASIDE, 44:05 WATCH OUT. THERE WILL BE NO DANGER AS LONG 44:08 AS THERE'S NOT POLITICAL POWER AVAILABLE. 44:11 BUT I SAID IT IN "LIBERTY" BEFORE, I HAVE METRO MAN 44:16 CATHOLICS. I HAV NO PERSONAL BEEF WITH 44:18 THEM AT ALL. FOR ALL I KNOW, THEY ARE AS GOOD 44:22 OR BETTER CHRISTIANS THAN I AM. BUT THE SYSTEM THEY ARE PART OF, 44:28 I DON'T BELIEVE SHOULD BE GIVEN POLITICAL POWER, BECAUSE IT'S 44:34 THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS. 44:37 HERE WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT AT GREAT LOSS OF LIFE THROUGH 44:44 THE REFORMATION, IS NOW FOUNDED UPON THIS SEPARATION PRINCIPLE, 44:49 AND IT SOCIETALLY WAS BASED ON A BIBLE-BASED PROTESTANTISM. 44:58 TO SEE THAT GO, AND HAND THE KEYS EITHER DIRECTLY OR THROUGH 45:06 PROXIES IS DANGEROUS. THAT'S A CRITICISM OF ANY 45:11 RELIGIOUS ENTITY THAT WANTS TO WIELD THE STORE. 45:15 >> HISTORY IS CONFIRMED BY PROPHECY. 45:19 HISTORY IS NOT DEVELOPED -- PROPHECY IS NOT 45:23 DEVELOPED BY -- WHEN I TALK ABOUT ROME, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH 45:29 PAGAN ROME. THIS WILL BE A RELIGIOUS 45:37 POLITICAL POWER. SO ROME HAS NOT LOST ITS FORMER 45:41 DESIRES, BUT AMERICA, REALISTICALLY -- AND WE CAN TALK 45:44 ABOUT THIS -- AND WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP THINGS LIKE THE 1954 45:50 JOHNSON AMENDMENT -- >> I WOULD RATHER SEE IT ANOTHER 45:54 WAY. IT'S THE HUMAN TENDENCY IN 45:57 DEALING WITH RELIGION, AND WHEN IT IS GIVEN POWERS, IT SUBVERTS 46:05 ITSELF. I HAVE NO QUESTION IF THERE WERE 46:09 100 MILLION SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, AND WE WERE GIVEN 46:12 POLITICAL POWER IN ANY COUNTRY, WE WOULD PROBABLY SOON BE 46:17 PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL BECAUSE OF NOT VIEWING THE SABBATH. 46:21 >> AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPOSITION OF ONE'S BELIEF 46:26 SYSTEM ON THE MINORITY IN SOCIETY. 46:28 >> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT TRUE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY 46:35 SHOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT. 46:38 AND I SEE THE FORGETTING OF THIS REAL DYNAMIC. 46:41 IT'S NOT EASILY EXPRESSED FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. 46:46 IT'S ON SPEECH. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THEY 46:49 DON'T WANT TO BE SHARED IN THE PUBLIC. 46:52 AND ADMITTEDLY WITH TERRORISM ON THE RISE, YOU HAVE TO BE 46:56 CAREFUL. BUT WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE, 46:59 BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SAID AND PEOPLE SEEM NOT TO LISTEN TO, 47:06 FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS NOTHING UNLESS YOU PROTECT OBJECTIONABLE 47:12 SPEECH. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM MEANS NOTHING 47:17 UNLESS YOU PROTECT THE MOST QUESTIONABLE RELIGIOUS BELIEF. 47:21 >> I WANT TO REITERATE THAT. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS NOT 47:27 RELIGIOUS FREEDOM UNLESS IT IS FOR ALL. 47:29 >> RIGHT. >> I CANNOT SAY -- I MAY SAY I 47:34 DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE MOMENT I IMPOSE MY BELIEFS TO 47:38 THE LIMITATIONS OF YOUR BELIEF, IT'S NO LONGER RELIGIOUS 47:44 FREEDOM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 47:46 AND THIS RADICAL ISLAMIC VIOLENCE, WHICH CLEARLY DOESN'T 47:54 REPRESENT EVERY MUSLIM, BUT IT'S PROVOKING A RESPONSE THAT WILL 47:59 BE THE DEATH NAIL FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OF ALL OF US. 48:06 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE NEED TO SEE THESE AS 48:10 ILLEGAL ACTS AND NOT TURN AGAINST THE RELIGION. 48:15 >> AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN WARS. 48:17 FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A SOMETIME WHEN THE KOREANS WERE 48:20 THE OBJECT DURING THE WAR. THE JAPANESES WERE TAKEN INTO 48:27 PRISON CAMPS. THIS HAS PAPPED NATION BY NATION 48:31 BY NATION, WHEN THEY DECIDED FOR THE BER -- BETTERMENT OF 48:39 SOCIETY, LET'S JAIL THEM. >> THERE HAS BEEN PUBLIC 48:46 DISCUSSION ABOUT LOCKING UP WHOLE RELIGIOUS GROUPS. 48:50 AND CITING THE LOOKING UP OF THE JAPANESE. 48:53 IT'S NOT PAST TENSE. AND IT WAS SAID THAT PRESIDENT 49:04 ROOSEVELT ACTED WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO DO SO. 49:06 >> NOW I WANT TO OPEN UP ANOTHER CAN, AND I WANT TO PRIME OUR 49:11 LISTENERS AND VIEWERS. IF YO WANT TO SEND YOUR 49:14 QUESTIONS IN, YOU CAN SEND THEM TO LIVE@3ABN.TV FOR YOUR 49:21 QUESTIONS, VIA EMAIL. OR CALL 618-627-4651. 49:27 THAT'S 618-627-4651. NOW WITH THIS MOST RECENT 49:30 POLITICAL -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SO MUCH THAT HAPPENED OVER THE 49:33 LAST TWO YEARS -- >> THE WORLD HAS BEEN GAGA OVER 49:37 THIS. >> BUT ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES 49:40 THE 1954 JOHNSON AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL OR -- YEAH, 49:46 CONSTITUTIONAL. THIS ISSUE THAT RELIGIOUS 49:49 ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS, NON-PROFIT 49:52 ORGANIZATIONS COULD NOT SPEAK IN FAVORITE OF ANY POLITICAL 49:58 CANDIDATE. >> I COULD GO TO SOMETHING MORE 50:00 RECENT THAT SHOWS THE TENOR OF THE TIMES. 50:06 >> OKAY. >> I PLACED AN ARTICLE IN 50:09 "LIBERTY MAGAZINE," THAT I REQUESTED FROM THE LATE DEE 50:13 JAMES KENNEDY. VERY DISTINCT FELLOW, HEADED UP 50:17 THE CORAL GABLES -- I FORGET THE TITLE OF HIS MINISTRY, BUT HE 50:22 WAS VERY INFLUENTIAL. HE AND OTHERS OF HIS GENERATION 50:26 WERE AGGRESSIVELY PUSHING FOR WHAT THEY CALLED THE JONES BILL. 50:31 WHICH IS DEE JAMES KENNEDY SAID -- I LET HIM PRINT IN 50:38 "LIBERTY," AND I SAID, I'LL PRINT IT AS YOU SEND IT, BUT 50:45 I'LL WRITE A POSTSCRIPT. BUT HE WANTED -- AND WAS PUSHING 50:51 CONGRESS. I KNOW HE WENT AND GAVE 50:53 TESTIMONY A NUMBER OF TIMES IN WASHINGTON. 50:56 AND HE SAID LET'S UNBIND THE ARMS OF THE CHURCH. 50:59 LET IT BE INVOLVED IN SOCIETY. THEY WANTED THE CHURCHES TO HAVE 51:03 THE ABILITY TO RAISE UNLIMITED POLITICAL FUNDS. 51:07 DONATE TO PARTIES. TAKE OUT ADVERTISEMENTS FOR 51:14 CANDIDATES. IN OTHER WORDS TO MAKE THEM 51:17 POLITICAL ACTION GROUPS WITH NO -LIMIT. AT THE SAME TIME, ONE OF THE 51:23 McCAIN BILLS WAS LIMITING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS THROUGH 51:30 SECULAR MEANS. THE SECULAR DONORS WERE BEING 51:34 LIMITED, AND THE CHURCHES, IF THEY HAD GOTTEN THEIR 51:37 WAY -- [ INAUDIBLE ] WAS BEING PUSHED HARD FOR A NUMBER OF 51:41 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GO THROUGH. 51:45 THEY WANTED JUST OPEN DOOR FOR THE CHURCHES TO -- AND OF COURSE 51:49 AT THAT TIME, IT WAS SCENE -- THE CHURCHES WOULD 51:54 PROBABLY PROMOTE THE POWERS THAT WERE IN POWER, SO IT WAS NOT AS -OBJECTIONABLE. 52:04 I THINK IT WAS GOOD THAT THEY DID NOT SUCCEED. 52:10 HIS VIEW WAS MISBEGOTTEN AND FLEW IN THE FACE OF THE 52:15 CONSTITUTION ITSELF. THE INTENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. 52:18 >> SO CONGRESS MAKE NO LAWS IN FAVOR OF -- 52:21 >> RIGHT. ESTABLISHING RELIGION. 52:24 THERE IS A LOT OF REVISIONIST THINKING GOING ARRANGE ABOUT THE 52:30 SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. AND SOME SAY WITH SOME MALICE, 52:35 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. 52:41 WELL, IT IS PRETTY TELLING THAT THOMAS JEFFERSON HAD SO MUCH TO 52:45 DO WITH THE WRITING OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND THIS PART OF 52:50 IT WAS MODELED AFTER HIS VIRGINIA STATUTE. 52:54 HE SAID ITTEL -- IT ERECTED A WALL BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE. 53:06 BUT IT AVOIDS THE WHOLE HISTORY AND INTENNING OF THE U.S. 53:11 CONSTITUTION. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 53:13 IT'S TO PROTECT RELIGION, NOT RESTRICT IT. 53:16 >> IT'S NOT BY ACCIDENT THAT RELIGION IS FAR MORE ACTIVE AND 53:21 PART OF GENERAL LIFE THAN IN ANY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY. 53:29 IN ENGLAND, THEY HAVE AN ESTABLISHED CHURCH, AND IT'S A 53:35 AS DEAD AS DOOR NAIL. ENGLAND IS INNOVATED BY THIS 53:41 PUBLIC SUPPORT, WHERE THE QUEEN IS ACTUALLY THE HEAD OF THE 53:45 CHURCH OF ENGLAND. >> AND MANY OF THE CHURCHES IN 53:49 ENGLAND HAVE PERSONED TO PUBS. >> YEAH, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH 53:54 A FACE WHERE THERE WAS ONE -- ARCHBISHOP A FEW YEARS 54:00 AGO, HE WAS PORTRAYED IN THE MEDIA AS THE ATHEIST. 54:07 BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE VIRGIN BIRTH OR THE RESURRECTION 54:14 OF CHRIST. >> UH-HUH. 54:16 >> IT HAPPENED BACK IN GERMANY AS WELL AS ENGLAND. 54:20 CHURCH POSITIONS WERE BOUGHT AND SOLD AS BENEFICIARIES AND SO ON. 54:24 THEY DIDN'T RELATE TO SPIRITUAL EXPERTISE OR DEDICATION MOST 54:30 TIMES. >> SO WHAT MAKES AMERICA A 54:33 UNIQUE COUNTRY AS FAR AS ITS FORM OF GOVERNMENT? 54:36 >> EVERY COUNTRY IS UNIQUE TO ITSELF, GEORGE W. BUSH ONCE 54:44 SAID, AMERICA IS -- IS BEING BLESSED OF GOD, AND HE COULDN'T 54:48 HAVE BLESSED MORE DESERVING PEOPLE. 54:52 [ LAUGHTER ] >> IT'S ILLOGICAL, BUT I THINK 55:00 THE PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC. AND APART OF THE INDIANS, IT WAS 55:08 A RELATIVELY EMPTY CORRIDOR. AND I THINK IT WAS PROVIDENTIAL 55:16 THAT A NUMBER OF THESE POLITICAL LEADERS HAD NOT GREAT 55:21 SPIRITUALITY, BUT THEY HAD -- THEY HAD LEARNED THE 55:26 LESSONS OF THE OLD WORLD, AND THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH, AND THEY 55:30 CONSCIOUSLY SEPARATED IT. AND I ALSO -- WHAT IS VERY P 55:38 PERTEN IN INNOCENT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ITSELF IS 55:43 IN ABOUT 1750, THEREABOUTS, THERE WAS WHAT WAS OWN AS THE 55:49 FIRST GREAT AWAKENING. >> RELIGIOUS AWAKENING. 55:52 >> THAT'S RIGH. IT SWEPT THE ENTIRE 13 COLONIES. 55:58 AND THEY STARTED TO SEE KING GEORGE OF ENGLAND AS OPPOSED TO 56:08 THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND EVEN AS AN ANTI CHRIST. 56:13 AN ANTI CHRIST IS SOMEONE WHO IS SO OPPOSED TO THE TRUTH, SO 56:19 THAT'S WHY -- ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WHY THE AMERICAN 56:24 REVOLUTION REALLY HAD SUCH FUR -- FERVOR. 56:32 THEY HAD THIS MORAL SENSE THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR TRUTH AND 56:36 FOR -- FOR THE PROTESTANT WAY OF LIFE, AND THEY WERE GOING TO 56:41 DEFEND IT ON THESE SHORES. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 56:43 >> AND YET IT'S AMAZING TO TRACE THE PAALLEL DEVELOPMENTS OF THE 56:48 RIGHTS OF MAN WHICH ARE NOT TOTALLY OUT OF THE RELIGIOUS 56:53 CONTEXT, BUT THE AWAKING OF THE SECULAR IDENTITY OF MAN KIND 56:57 WHICH IS IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, NATURE, AND NA 57:06 NATURE'S GOD. THAT'S THE GOD OF REASON -- 57:09 >> A PSEUDO GOD. >> WHICH FRANCE ENSHRINED, THE 57:16 GODDESS OF REASON. IT AWAKENED RESPONSIBILITY, 57:19 WARNED BY A SECULAR SENSE OF SELF IDENTITY. 57:23 THEY PUT THIS CLEAVER BETWEEN RELIGION AND STATE POWER, AND IT 57:27 HAS WORKED WONDERFULLY. >> OKAY. 57:29 I TELL YOU THERE ARE A LOT OF HEATED ISSUES. 57:38 HACKSAW RIDGE, THE THROW BACK ON WHAT THAT MEANS TO US. 57:41 BUT STAY TUNED. WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO COVER IN 57:48 OUR SECOND HOUR. AND DON'T GO AWAY. 57:50 WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS. 57:53 ♪ |
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