Participants: Danny Shelton (Host), John Lomacang (Host), Doug Batchelor, Dwight Hall
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL016531A
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02:33 [ TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ] >> I REMEMBER YOU COMING TO THE
02:37 RANCH THERE IN CALIFORNIA. YOU HAD ON YOUR BROWN JACET AND 02:40 YOUR LONG HAIR. >> AND WE JUST SAW EACH OTHER AT 02:45 THE 45TH HERITAGE SINGER ANNIVERSARY -- REUNION. 02:49 >> THAT'S RIGHT. DOWN THERE IN SOUTHERN 02:53 CALIFORNIA. NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CONFERENCE, 02:55 AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT ON RADIO, YOU CAN' APPRECIATE 03:00 THIS, BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON. 03:03 WE WEAR THE SAME SUIT. CAN YOU GET A WIDE SHOT OF THAT? 03:08 WE WORE THE SAME EXACT SUIT. >> SAME COLOR. 03:14 >> SAME MODEL, SAME MANUFACTURER. 03:17 >> NOT THE SAME SIZE. >> NOT THE SAME SIZE. 03:20 DOUG SAID I HAD ON 40 SKINNY.-p[ LAUGHTER ] >> WE ARE BOTH FROM NEW YORK, WE 03:26 BOTH ENDED UP PASTORING LITTLE CHURCHES. 03:31 >> THAT'S RIGHT. HERE WE ARE 30 YEAR LATER, 03:36 SITTING DOWN IN THE 3ABN STUDIOS, RELISHING WHAT GOD HAS 03:41 DONE. AND I MUST SAY AS YOUR BIGGER 03:43 BROTHER, WE'RE VERY CLOSE IN AGE. 03:46 I WON'T TELL YOU ON THE AIR, BECAUSE THAT'S A SECRET AT A 03:50 CERTAIN POINT. >> I'M THE ELDER. 03:53 I'M THE FIRSTBORN. >> HE CAME OUT FIRST. 03:56 BUT IT'S A BLESSING TO SEE WHAT GOD HAS DONE IN YOUR LIFETIME 04:00 AND WHERE YOU BEGAN. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER IN 04:04 THE PROGRAM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO 04:07 BEGIN WITH AN AMAZING TESTIMONY THROUGH MUSIC, AND TONIGHT WE'RE 04:13 GOING TO HEAR A WONDERFUL SONG, "BE THOU MY VISION," BY JOHAN 04:19 SENTANA. ENJOY. 04:19 ♪ 07:23 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT SONG, "BE THOU MY VISION." 07:29 AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS WHERE THERE IS NO VISION, THE 07:32 PEOPLE PARISH, OR CAST OFF RESTRAINT. 07:35 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT SONG, REMAINING -- REMINDING US TO 07:45 KEEP OUR MINDS CLEAR. WE HAVE A FREE OFFER TONIGHT, 07:52 "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?." AND DURING THE NEXT HOUR OR 07:55 LITTLE MORE TWO HOURS, YOU CAN WRITE US HERE, OR CALL US AT 08:03 618-627-4651 FOR A FREE COPY OF THIS BOOK. 08:06 DOUG, TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS BOOK. 08:09 YOU WRITE THESE BOOKS OUT OF -- JUST REAL STIMULATING TO 08:14 THE PEOPLE THAT READ IT. WHAT GAVE YOU THE IDEA TO PUT 08:17 THIS TOGETHER? >> THAT IS A COMPILATION OF 08:22 SERMONS THAT I DID. THERE IS A SECTION CALLED 08:25 IDENTITY THEFT, AND IT TALKED ABOUT HOW THE DEVIL HAS TRIED TO 08:29 STEAL THE IDENTITY OF CHRISTIANS BY ROBBING THEM OF THE BELIEF 08:34 THAT THE LORD CAN TRANSFORM THEM. 08:37 WE DID PRAYER MEETING HERE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE 12 SPIES, 08:41 AND 10 DID NOT BELIEVE THEY COULD MAKE IT TO THE PROMISE 08:44 LAND, AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THEMES IN THE 08:48 BOOK. SO THERE'S A DELICATE BALANCE, 08:51 BECAUSE PEOPLE GO AROUND AND TALK TO CORPORATIONS ABOUT 08:54 POSITIVE THINKING. AND THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THOSE 09:00 PRINCIPALS, BUT THIS IS COMING FROM THE BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE. 09:04 THERE IS POWER IN FAITH, BUT IT'S NOT FAITH IN FAITH, IT'S 09:08 FAITH IN CHRIST. THAT'S WHY IT SAY WHO DO YOU 09:13 THINK YOU ARE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE IN CHRIST, YOU BECOME A NEW 09:18 CREATURE. AND PAUL IS ALWAYS APPEALING TO 09:20 PEOPLE, HE SAYS DON'T CONDUCT YOURSELF ACCORDING TO THE FORM 09:24 OF BEHAVIOR. AND GOD DECLARED ABRAHAM, HE 09:34 GAVE THEM THE NAME OF FATHER OF THE MULTITUDE, AND WHEN HE 09:39 FINALLY BELIEVED GOD, IT WAS COUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTE 09:45 RIGHTEOUSNESS. >> THE WORLD SAYS I'LL BELIEVE 09:47 IT WHEN I SEE IT, BUT THE FAITH FACTOR SAYS YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN 09:51 YOU BELIEVE IT. >> EXACTLY. 09:56 >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 09:58 I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, AND HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T READ IT. 10:03 SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WANT A FREE COPY, CALL THE NUMBER OR 10:09 SEND AN EMAIL, FREEOFFER@3ABN.TV, OR CALL 10:18 618-627-4651 AND YOU WILL GET A COPY OF THIS. 10:22 IF YOU ARE DRIVING, PLEASE TRY TO REMEMBER THAT, DON'T TRY TO 10:27 WRITE IT DOWN. SOMEBODY ONCE SAID, PRAY BUT 10:31 DON'T KNEEL DOWN IN YOUR CAR WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING. 10:35 GIVE OUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS, BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS LISTENING 10:40 THAT MIGHT SAY THOSE IS FAMILIAR WITH DOUG BATCHELOR, BUT I DON'T 10:43 KNOW WHO HE IS. SO JUST WALK US THROUGH WHO YOU 10:46 ARE. >> CURRENTLY, I'M WITH AMAZING 10:49 FACTS. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. 10:52 AND I DO'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE. 10:54 AND THE LORD HAS BEEN BLESSING. IT'S A RADIO, TV PUBLISHING 11:01 MINISTRY. WE DO EVANGELISM AROUND THE 11:04 WORLD. WE DO EVANGELISM TRAINING.-WE HAVE SENATORS IN EUROPE, 11:11 INDONESIA, INDIA, AFRICA, NORTH AMERICA. 11:14 >> PORTUGAL? >> NOT RIGHT NOW. 11:16 WE DID HAVE -- WE HAD A REMOTE THAT WENT TO PORTUGAL FOR A 11:21 MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT. 11:22 >> YEAH. >> BUT WE HAVE FULL-TIME PEOPLE 11:26 LIVING IN THOSE OTHER CONTINENTS, CONDUCTING ON-GOING 11:30 PROGRAMS. WE DO NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL 11:33 TELEVISION, NATIONAL TELEVISION ON NETWORKS AS WELL AS 3ABN, AND 11:37 RADIO. WE HAVE BEEN DOING -- AMAZING 11:40 FACTS BEGAN WITH A RADIO PROGRAM. 11:43 PEOPLE WONDER WHY ARE YOU CALLED AMAZING FACTS. 11:46 BECAUSE 50 YEARS AGO IT STARTED WITH A BROADCAST CALLED AMAZING -FACTS, WHERE THE SPEAKER WOULD 11:54 TAKE AN INTERESTING FACT FROM SCIENCE, HISTORY, NATURE, AND 11:59 THEN BRING IN A SPIRITUAL LESSON. 12:03 AND IT JUST TOOK OFF AND BECAME VERY POPULAR. 12:08 >> IT'S LIKE A DID YOU KNOW? >> YEAH, AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT 12:13 FORMAT FOR US. I LOVE IT. 12:15 I STARTED SERMON -- COME IN WITH AN AMAZING FACT AND THEN MOVE 12:21 INTO YOUR SPIRITUAL MESSAGE, YOU CAPTURE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. 12:25 AND WE DO THIS LIVE RADIO PROGRAM. 12:28 I WAS DRIVING CROSS COUNTRY YESTERDAY FROM LOUISVILLE, 12:31 KENTUCKY, AND TURNED ON -- I'M FLIPPING AROUND FOR CHRISTIAN 12:35 RADIO, ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEARD A VOICE, IT WAS PASTOR ROSS WHO 12:41 CO-HOSTS WITH ME. I SAID I KNOW THAT VOICE. 12:44 THAT'S MY CO-HOST. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 12:46 I REMEMBER WHEN LIVED IN -- NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, WE 12:51 HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO DO IT TOGETHER. 12:54 ONE NIGHT YOU CALLED AND SAID, HEY, I AM IN THIS MEETING, CAN 13:00 YOU HOST THE RADIO SHOW. AND IT WAS A FUN PROGRAM TO DO. 13:05 AND THROUGH THE YEARS WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE BIBLE AS LONG AS 13:09 WE HAVE, HAVING TO BE IN THE MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE ASK YOU 13:13 QUESTIONS, IN THE PHONE CALLS, THEY ARE NOT PRESCREENED OR SENT 13:17 IN BY EMAIL, YOU HAVE TO PRAY FOR GOD TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND 13:23 DIRECTION. NOW 30 YEARS LATER -- HOW LONG 13:26 HAS BIBLE ANSWER BEEN AROUND? >> IT HAS BEEN 18 YEARS. 13:29 >> 18 YEARS. >> AND WE ARE BASED OUT OF 13:33 SACRAMENTO, AND WE ARE ON ABOUT 320 STATIONS, INCLUDING 13:39 SATELLITE RADIO. SO ANYONE -- WE GET TRUCKERS ALL 13:42 OVER THE COUNTRY, AND THEY DO, THEY JUST CALL IN BIBLE 13:46 QUESTIONS. EVERY WEEK WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF 13:48 PEOPLE LISTENING, AND THEY ARE ASKING ANY BIBLE QUESTION, AND 13:53 WE PRAY, WE KNEEL AND PRAY EVERY PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW 13:57 ALL OF THE ANSWERS, AND WE JUST DO OUR BEST WITH THE LORD'S 14:02 BLESSING. >> I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WORKS 14:04 HERE THAT SAYS IF I HAD A NICKEL EVERY TIME I HEARD THE NAME DOUG 14:11 BATCHELOR, HE SAID IF I HAD A NICKEL EVERY TIME -- 14:15 >> HE WOULD HAVE $0.25. >> HE SAID I WOULD BE A VERY 14:20 WEALTHY MAN BY NOW. BUT THE LORD HAS BROUGHT YOU A 14:23 LONG WAY. BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T HEARD. 14:29 YOU LIVED IN A CAVE YEARS AGO IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 14:34 >> WELL, I WAS NOT RAISED A CHRISTIAN. 14:37 I HAD INTERESTING PARENTS. MY MOTHER WROTE SONGING FOR 14:43 ELVIS PRESLEY, AND AN ACTRESS, -pAND MY FATHER OWNED A COUPLE OF AIRLINES, SO I HAD THESE VERY 14:52 UNUSUAL PARENTS, AND I GREW UP PRETTY MUCH AN ATHEIST, AND I 14:58 NEVER HEARD OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, AND I RAN AWAY FROM 15:03 HOME AND WENT THROUGH A HIPPY SCENE IN THE 60S AND 70S, AND 15:09 THE DRUGS, AND LISTENING TO THE BEATLES, AND THE MEDICATION, AND 15:14 JUST TRYING TO FIND GOD. FINALLY I DECIDED TO TRY TO FIND 15:18 GOD THROUGH NATURE, SO I MOVED INTO A CAVE IN THESE REMOTE 15:24 MOUNTAINS ABOVE PALM SPRINGS. AND I LIVED THERE FOR A YEAR AND 15:28 A HALF. AND SOMEBODY LEFT A BIBLE IN THE 15:30 CAVE, AND AT ONE POINT I STARTED READING THE BIBLE, SO I COULD 15:35 ARGUE WITH WHAT WE CALLED JESUS FREAKS, CHRISTIANS TRYING TO 15:40 CONVERT ME. AND IN READING THE BIBLE IT 15:43 TRANSFORMED ME. >> WOW. 15:44 THE BOOK THAT BREATHES. AND A DOCUMENTARY, THEY TOOK THE 15:49 HELICOPTER UP THERE, AND SHOWED PEOPLE WHERE YOU WERE. 15:52 SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE WE -- STARTING IN TH CAVE, AND 15:55 HERE YOU ARE NOW, THE LORD HAS GIVEN YOU FOOTPRINTS ON SO MANY 16:00 CONTINENTS TO SHARE THE WONDERFUL MESSAGE OF JESUS. 16:02 YOU HAVE A WIFE, CHILDREN, A WONDERFUL FAMILY. 16:06 >> YES, CAN I SAY HELLO TO KAREN, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 16:12 40 YEARS, WE HAVE AN EMPTY NEST. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 16:15 >> WE HAVE THEM FROM 40 YEARS NOW, OUR CHILDREN, TO NATHAN WHO 16:19 IS 20, AND WE HAVE SIX GRANDCHILDREN. 16:23 I STARTED YOUNG. [ LAUGHTER ] 16:25 >> SO KAREN AN I FINALLY HAVE AN EMPTY NEST. 16:28 >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT? 16:30 >> WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, BUT IT IS A 16:35 CHANGE. >> AND YOU ARE PASTORING IN THE 16:38 GRANITE BAY -- >> YEAH, WE PASTORED IN THE 16:47 SACRAMENTO AREA. THAT CHURCH PLANTED A CHURCH IN 16:50 A COMMUNITY CALLED GRANITE BAY, AND I ULTIMATELY MOVED TO THE 16:55 NEW CHURCH PLANT WHERE I HAVE BEEN NOW FOR TWO YEARS, AND THE 16:59 LORD HAS BLESSED THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN A RENTED BUILDING FOR 17:02 ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW, AND IT'S FULL. 17:05 AND WE BROADCAST THE PROGRAMS ON 3ABN NOW. 17:08 >> THAT'S RIGHT. AND YOU -- YOU HAVE SABBATH 17:12 SCHOOL. AND I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE 17:14 THERE. I MUST SAY THAT THIS IS THE 17:17 MIDWEST, BUT I LOVE THOSE MOUNTAINS IN CALIFORNIA AND 17:19 WHERE YOU LIVE UP THERE, A WONDERFUL VALLEY. 17:23 >> YEAH. >> IT'S IN THE SIERRAS -- 17:26 >> IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE NATIONAL FOREST, 17:33 >> WOW. >> THERE IS GOOD 7, 8,000-FOOT 17:40 MOUNTS UP THERE. >> THIS IS A PICTURE OF PASTOR 17:43 DOUG BATCHELOR AND I IN OUR FIRST SERIES WE DID IN VALLEJO, 17:48 CALIFORNIA. >> WHICH ONE IS WHICH? 17:50 IT'S HARD TO TELL. [ LAUGHTER ] 17:52 >> HEY, I THINK THAT'S THE SAME TIE. 17:55 NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY RED TIE 17:59 HAS TO DO WITH MY BLACK CHECKERED JACKET. 18:03 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT, BUT IT LOOKED GOOD THEN. 18:06 THAT WAS UP BACK IN THE DAY, WHEN WE BOTH HAD BLACK HAIR, AND 18:10 WE DECIDED TO EMBRACE THE AGING PROCESS AND ALLOW THE LORD TO 18:16 SHOW WISDOM IN OUR AGE. >> AND THAT IS YOUR WIFE AS 18:21 WELL. >> YEAH, WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED 18:24 FOR 33 YEARS. >> AND YOU JUST CAME BACK FROM 18:26 LONDON. >> YES IT WAS A WONDERFUL 18:29 SERIES OVER THERE. NOW, BUT -- BUT THERE'S 18:31 SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARTICULARLY TONIGHT. 18:34 YOU ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A WONDERFUL SERIES YOU ARE ABLE TO 18:38 DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH 3ABN. >> YES, IT'S CALLED MIGHTY MEN 18:44 OF GOD. M-M-O-G, AND IT IS FOUR 18:49 PARTS -- THREE PARTS AND A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. 18:53 STARTS IN ABOUT A WEEK.-IT'S SEPTEMBER 30TH AND AUGUST 1ST. 18:58 >> OCTOBER 1ST. >> I'M SORRY. 19:01 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEPTEMBER 30TH AND OCTOBER 1ST, 19:04 AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BE MEN OF PURITY, 19:08 COURAGE, INTEGRITY, AND THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT I JUST THINK THAT 19:16 THE WHOLE IS YEARNING FOR, FOR MEN TO COME TOGETHER AND BE MEN 19:24 OF INTEGRITY, CURAGE AND PURITY. 19:28 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THERE IS SOMETHING -- ALMOST 19:31 EVERY YEAR I GO ON A CAMPING TRIP WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS. 19:35 AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOUR-WHEELER RIDING WITH ME. 19:38 WE GO OUT TO THE REMOTE REGIONS OF THE DESERT, AND THESE ARE ALL 19:43 CHRISTIAN MEN, AND WE GET TOGETHER AND PRAY TOGETHER AND 19:46 HAVE FUN TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER, AND HAVE SOME 19:50 HEART-TO-HEART TALKS AND CHALLENGE EACH OTHER, AND I JUST 19:53 THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEEDS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, IN THE 19:57 COUNTRY, IN THE FAMILIES, IN THE CHURCH IS FOR MEN TO BE MEN. 20:02 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND IT IS -- SO MANY OF THE 20:06 MESSAGES COMING OUT OF THE MEDIA ARE DOWN PLAYING THE DISTINCTIVE 20:13 ROLE OF MEN, THE WAY GOD DESIGNED AND CALLED US TO BE. 20:19 WE'RE IN A CULTURE WHERE EVERYTHING IS BEING PUSHED TO 20:23 GENDER NEUTRAL, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE BIBLE DESCRIBES IT. 20:26 >> NO. >> IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY WENT INTO 20:29 THAT BATTLE AND SAID QUIT YOURSELF LIKE MEN AND FIGHT. 20:34 AND NOW MEN NEED TO KNOW HOW TO FIGHT FOR HOLINESS, PURITY, AND 20:43 COURAGE. MOSES SAID BE CORAGEOUS, AND GOD 20:50 TOLD JOSHUA, BE COURAGEOUS. AND NOW GOD IS CALLING MEN TO BE 20:58 LOVING LEADERS IN THEIR FAMILIES, IN THE CHURCH. 21:02 BE MEN OF PURITY. >> UH-HUH. 21:05 >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PROMISCUITY AND THINGS HAPPENING 21:09 IN THE CULTURE THAT A LOT OF MEN STRUGGLE WITH PORNOGRAPHY, IT'S 21:14 SO READILY ACCESSIBLE RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE INTERNET. 21:18 THERE'S A STRUGGLE WITH MESSAGES OF DISHONESTY. 21:22 WE NEED MEN OF INTEGRITY. AND GOD IS CALLING FOR MEN WHO 21:29 ARE MEN OF COURAGE AND PURITY AND INTEGRITY, AND LOVING THEIR 21:35 WIVES, AND RESPECTED THEIR WIVES, AND BEING SPIRITUAL 21:38 LEADERS IN THEIR CHURCHES. THE MEDIA IS FREQUENTLY -- I SAW 21:43 SEVERAL STUDIES WHERE THEY LOOKED AT HOW MEN ARE PORTRAYED 21:47 IN THE MEDIA, AND IT REALLY IS OVER THE TOP. 21:52 THEY ARE TYPICALLY PORTRAYED AS THE FAMILY IDIOTS. 21:55 THEY ARE JUST ANIMALS AND UNINTELLIGENT, AND I THINK THIS 22:02 IS -- YOU KNOW, A -- I THINK IT'S A CONSPIRACY OF THE DEVIL 22:07 TO ERASE THE IMAGE OF GOD FROM MEN. 22:11 >> WOW. >> ANYWAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO 22:13 HAVE THIS MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLING MEN TO 22:18 STAND. >> WOW. 22:20 BECAUSE WHEN THE LORD CREATED ADAM, HE GAVE HIM DOMINION OVER 22:28 THE EARTH. AND HE LOST IT AND GAI -- GAVE 22:34 IT TO THE DEVIL, AND THEN JESUS CAME AND TOOK IT BACK FROM THE 22:40 DEVIL. >> YEAH. 22:41 >> THEY SHALL BUILD UP THE OLD WASTE PLACES, RAISE UP THE 22:46 FOUNDATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS. THAT APPLIES TO ME ON A BROADER 22:52 SCALE THAN JUST THE SABBATH ALONE. 22:57 AND AS YOU SAID IN SOCIETY, THE IMAGE OF THE MAN -- I HADN'T 23:01 REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY, BUT IN SO MANY CASES THE 23:05 MAN IS THE COMEDIAN OF THE FAMILY, THE GUY THAT GETS 23:08 TOGETHER WITH THE GUYS AND LOSES ALL SENSE OF CONTROL FOR THE 23:13 WEEKEND, AND THEY ALMOST CELEBRATE, YOU KNOW, GETTING 23:16 DRUNK, AND LOSING -- IT JUST -- IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN 23:20 THE VERY IMAGE THAT GOD WANTS MAN -- 23:22 >> YOU JUST LOOK AT THE -- IT'S GONE FROM -- YOU KNOW, WHEN I 23:26 WAS A KID, IT WAS FATHER KNOWS BEST, AND HE WAS THE PILLAR OF 23:31 THE FAMILY, AND HE WAS A MAN OF COURAGE, AND HE HAD ANSWERS AND 23:37 THERE WAS A RESPECT FOR THE FATHER. 23:40 AND NOW IT HAS DEGRADED TO LIKE HOMER SIMPSON. 23:46 IT HAS BEEN ON FOR 20 YEARS, SO PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ACQUAINTED 23:50 WITH IT. HE IS A BLITHERING IDIOT. 23:54 AND THAT'S HOW THE ROLE OF FATHER AND HUSBAND IS BEING 23:58 PORTRAYED, AND IT HAS BEEN DISCOURAGING, I THINK. 24:02 I THINK IT HAS BEEN DEMORALIZING TO MEN. 24:05 IF YOU WANT TO CONCUR YOUR ENEMY, DEMORALIZE THEM. 24:11 AND MEN HAVE BEEN SO OVERCOME BECAUSE OF THE DEMORALIZING THAT 24:14 IS HAPPENING IN OUR CULTURE, THAT I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS TO 24:18 BE A MESSAGE TO CALL THEM TO RISE UP, TO TAKE COURAGE, AND 24:22 YOU CAN BE A MAN OF GOD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 24:25 >> YEAH. >> I REMEMBER WHAT WAS THAT 24:28 LARGE MOVEMENT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO -- 24:29 >> PROMISE KEEPERS. >> PROMISE KEEPERS WAS ANOTHER 24:35 ONE -- >> YEAH, GREAT MESSAGES ABOUT 24:37 CALLING MEN TO PURITY. AND THE NEED HASN'T GONE AWAY. 24:41 >> NO. >> IT IS GREATER THAN IT EVER 24:43 HAS BEEN. >> AND THE NEED INCREASES AS YOU 24:46 GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE END OF TIME, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE 24:52 FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING ERODED, SO THE RETURN -- THE RETURN IS WHAT 24:55 GOD IS CALLING MEN TO DO. WHERE DID YOU GET THE -- DID YOU 25:00 GET THIS IDEA FROM JUST VIEWING SOCIETY? 25:02 WHERE DID THIS -- >> WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT ALL 25:06 AROUND YOU IN EVERYTHING FROM THE MEDIA AND THE ADS, AND THE 25:10 MAGAZINES, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE -- THERE IS A -- THERE IS A 25:22 PUSH TO ERASE MASCULINITY. AS THOUGH IT'S A BAD THING. 25:26 >> HUM. >> AND THAT, I THINK, IS SAD. 25:30 BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOD DESIGNED.-I READ IN THE BIBLE THE STORY OF 25:35 DAVID. WHO IS OUT IN THE WILDERNESS, 25:38 AND IT SAYS THAT THERE CAME UNTO HIM -- AND THIS IS IN FIRST -pSAMUEL. 25:46 THERE CAME UNTO HIM ALL OF THESE MEN WHO WERE DISCOURAGED OR 25:52 DISCONTENT, AND HE GATHERS THESE MEN AROUND HIM, AND HE TURNS 25:59 THEM INTO THE MIGHTY MEN THAT END UP BECOMING A CRACK FIGHTING 26:04 FORCE WHERE HE STARTS OUT WITH 400. 26:07 IT TURNS INTO 600, AND THEY ENDED UP BECOMING AN ARMY THAT 26:14 NEVER LOST A BATTLE. JESUS IS OUR SONOF DAVID. 26:17 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND AS DISCOURAGED MEN, AND 26:22 DISCONTENT MEN, AND DEMORALIZED MEN, AS WE GATHER AROUND CHRIST, 26:27 HE CAN TURN US INTO AN ARMY OF PEOPLE GOING FORTH TO CONCUR. 26:36 WE'LL PUT ON THAT ARMOR OF GOD, AND WE'LL BE VICTORIOUS. 26:40 >> AND IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE EROSION OF OUR FAITH. 26:45 YOU FIND THE SAME THING WITH PAUL AS HE IS TAKEN AS A 26:49 PRISONER TO ROME, HE SAID TO THE MEN WHO LOST COURAGE IN THAT 26:53 VESSEL THAT WAS BEING SHAKEN MIGHTILY, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 26:57 TAKE HEART. AND HE TALKED ABOUT MEN AND THE 27:01 STRUGGLE OF LIFE, LOSING HEART, AND THESE MEN WERE FAMILIAR WITH 27:06 HOW TO HANDLE A VESSEL. FOR THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE IN 27:10 A STORM -- >> AND THEY THOUGHT ALL HOPE WAS 27:14 GONE. >> AND JESUS WITH THE DISCIPLES 27:17 AGAIN, HE SAID OH, YE OF LITTLE FAITH. 27:24 >> YEAH, AND THEY HAD BECOME DISCOURAGED. 27:28 >> DO YOU THINK THE EROSION OF MASCULINITY IN SOCIETY IS THE 27:33 REASON WHY THERE'S SUCH PUSH FOR WOMEN TO TAKE OVER THE ROLE THAT 27:38 MANY MEN HAVE LEFT UNFULFILLED? >> YEAH, I THINK IT'S ALL 27:44 WORKING TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S DEMORALIZING MEN. 27:48 I THINK THAT THERE'S A VACUUM THAT IS BEING FILLED. 27:52 AND IT IS PERFECTLY NATURAL. OUR CHURCH AND MANY CHURCHES 27:56 HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME VERY EMOTIONAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE 28:02 VARYING ROLES OF MEN AND WOMEN. AND A LOT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS 28:06 WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF MEN WERE BEING MEN OF PURITY, 28:12 INTEGRITY, IF MEN WERE TREATING WOMEN THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE 28:17 TREATED, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. 28:20 I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A VACUUM OF LEADERSHIP, VACUUM OF PURITY. 28:24 MEN HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF WOMEN. 28:27 THEY FATHER CHILDREN AND THEN THEY LEAVE. 28:29 THEY DON'T RAISE THEIR CHILDREN, AND IT'S -- YEAH, THE WHOLE 28:33 FAMILY, NOT JUST IN NORTH AMERICA, BUT YOU SEE IT 28:36 HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD. FAMILIES ARE BREAKING DOWN, AND 28:39 A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE MEN ARE LEAVING THEIR POST, AND THEIR 28:45 RESPONSIBILITY FOR PURITY -- A LOT OF THEM GET IN TROUBLE AND 28:48 START FAMILIES THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPENED IF THEY HAD BEEN 28:52 MAINTAINING PURITY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 28:54 >> AND IRRESPONSIBILITY, STARTING SOMETHING AND THEN THEY 28:59 ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR THOSE CHILDREN THAT THEY RAISE 29:02 UP. AND JUST INTHING GRATY, YOU 29:05 KNOW? IT SAYS WHO IS GOING TO BE IN 29:08 THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD? WE NEED TO KEEP OUR VOWS. 29:12 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND I'M TRYING TO GUARD 29:15 MYSELF, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY SHARE EVERYTHING I'M 29:17 GOING TO SAY IN MY MESSAGES IN ABOUT A WEEK, BUT YEAH -- 29:21 >> BUT THAT'S WHERE IT IS HEADED. 29:23 AND THE VACUUM THAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR WORLD. 29:26 AND ON THE OTHER SIDE A LOT OF THIS SOMETIMES IS BEING 29:31 ORCHESTRATED, BECAUSE YOU FIND THIS DESIRE TO REPLACE -- ON ONE 29:34 SIDE IS THE MEN NOT FULFILLING THEIR POST, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS 29:39 EQUAL WORK, EQUAL PAY, EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND WHILE THOSE 29:44 THINGS IN THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY MIGHT BE GOOD, GOD NEVER PUT MEN 29:48 AND WOMEN ON THE SAME ROLE -- IN THE SAME ROLE. 29:52 THE MASCULINE ROLE AND THE FEMININE ROLE IS NOT THE SAME 29:57 WHEN IT COMES TO THE FAMILY. >> THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID WE HOLD 30:02 THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT. WOMEN MAKE MUCH BETTER MOTHERS 30:09 THAN MEN DO. THAT'S A SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH. 30:13 AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT MEN DO MUCH BETTER. 30:16 >> UH-HUH. >> BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE 30:18 TALKS ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK -- YOU KNOW, IT IS 30:21 TRUE THAT WOMEN, GENERALLY SPEAKING ARE MORE RELATIONAL 30:27 ORIENTED, AND MEN ARE MORE TASK ORIENTED, BUT IT IS OFTEN 30:31 TREATED LIKE THAT IS A DEFECT. MAYBE -- YOU AND I WERE TALKING 30:34 BEFORE THE PROGRAM. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, GOD MADE US 30:38 ONE IN THAT THERE ARE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MEN AND 30:42 WOMEN HAVE THAT TOGETHER REFLECT THE IMAGE OF GOD. 30:45 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> BOTH ARE NEEDED. 30:48 AND THAT'S -- GOD TELLING ADAM SO SUBDUE THE EARTH. 30:54 WE WANT A TASK. WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH A JOB, AND 30:58 WE BECOME ALL FOCUSED, AND THAT'S NOT ALL BAD. 31:01 >> NO. >> AND MEN JUST NEED TO BE 31:04 ENCOURAGED THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT DIFFERENT, YOU 31:07 SHOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT. >> THAT'S TRUE. 31:10 >> YEAH. >> THAT'S TRUE. 31:11 AND WHEN WE CELEBRATE THE THINGS THAT GOD GAVE TO US, WE REFLECT 31:16 THE IMAGE THAT GOD INTENDED TO BE REFLECTED IN SOCIETY. 31:20 >> YEAH. >> THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT 31:22 GOT STARTED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, BIG BROTHER, TEACHING YOUNG 31:27 BOYS WHO DIDN'T HAVE FATHER FIGURES HOW TO BE MEN AS THEY 31:30 GREW UP, AND THEY ADOPTED A BIG BROTHER, OR BIG BROTHER ADOPTED 31:34 A LITTLE BROTHER, AND THEY SHOWED THEM HOW TO BE A MEN -- 31:38 >> THEY MENTOR THESE KIDS. AND DISCIPLE THEM. 31:43 >> AND FATHER'S DAY IN SOME PLACES IS A TRAGEDY.-THE FATHER IS MISSING, OR WITH 31:49 HIS OTHER FAMILY, OR IT'S A HOLIDAY THAT SOME PEOPLE JUST 31:53 DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO. >> WELL, YEAH, THE MOTHER'S DAY, 31:58 THE CARDS AND FLOWERS AND PHONE CALLS, IT MUST BE LIKE 70 TIMES 32:04 MORE THAN WHAT HAPPENS IN FATHER'S DAY. 32:06 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE STRUGGLE IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH FATHERS. 32:11 AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS BECAUSE FATHERS JUST WEREN'T 32:14 THERE. THEY WERE ALIVE, BUT THEY 32:17 WEREN'T THERE, SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE REASON. 32:19 AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M AN EXPERT ON THESE THINGS. 32:23 SOME OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SHARE I'M TALKING ABOUT MAKING BAD 32:29 DECISIONS. AND WANTING TO SAY IT'S REALLY 32:31 IMPORTANT THAT PARENTS BE THERE FOR THEIR KIDS. 32:34 I THINK A LOT OF FATHERS REFLECT AND SAY I WISH I HAD SPENT MORE 32:39 QUALITY TIME WITH MY KIDS AND SPOUSE. 32:41 WE GET SO TASK-ORIENTED THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN TAKE THAT TOO 32:46 FAR. >> RIGHT. 32:47 I CAN GO BACK AND SAY SALOMON WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE WISEST 32:53 MEN, BUT YOU WOULD BE IF YOU WERE MARRIED TO 700 WOMEN. 32:59 HE MADE SO MANY BAD CHOICES, THAT AS HE WENT ON LATER AND 33:05 WROTE THE BOOK OF PROVERBS, HE SPENT CHAPTER AFTER CHAPTER 33:11 AFTER CHAPTER GIVING MEN ADVICE ABOUT WOMEN. 33:15 >> AND IN PROVERBS HE GIVES SPECIAL GUIDANCE TO AVOID 33:21 ADULTERY, AND IT IS ALMOST LIKE HE IS REFLECTING ON, LOOK, I 33:27 LEARNED THIS BY EXPERIENCE. AND SAMSON, DAVID, SALOMON, THEY 33:34 ALL GOT IN TROUBLE IN THAT AREA. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 33:41 >> AND SALOMON. >> AND ABRAHAM. 33:45 >> AND ABRAHAM. HE FELL IN THAT AREA. 33:52 SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MEN TO HEAR THESE MESSAGES. 33:56 I'M GLAD -- WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY EVERYONE, BUT JOSEPH, HE WAS A 34:00 BLAZING SUCCESS IN THAT DEPARTMENT WHEN HE WAS TEMPTED 34:03 DAY AFTER DAY, THE BIBLE SAID HE WOULD NOT BE WITH ANOTHER MAN'S 34:10 WIFE. AND NOW I'M GETTING INTO MY 34:14 MESSAGES. >> OKAY. 34:15 WE WON'T GET INTO THAT ANYMORE. BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF TH 34:19 FREE OFFER, IT IS CALLED "WHO DO-pYOU THINK YOU ARE?" A BOOK ABOUT FAITH, FINING LIFE THROUGH REAL 34:25 FAITH. YOU CAN CALL US HERE AT 3ABN, 34:29 THE PHONE NUMBER IS 618-627-4651 FOR A FREE COPY OF THIS BOOK, OR 34:35 WRITE US AT FREEOFFER@3ABN.TV. AND IT IS NOT A LOT OF 34:43 PAGES -- ACTUALLY IT IS 127 PAGES. 34:46 >> YEAH. >> AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HAVE 34:48 STRENGTH IN THEIR FAITH. THE BIBLE SAYS WHEN THE SON OF 34:52 MAN COMES, WILL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH. 34:57 AND SO BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH IS VERY 35:00 IMPORTANT THING TO DO. YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT 35:04 OF THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN YOU TO OTHER PARTS OF THE ROLE. 35:08 TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF PRESIDENT OF AMAZING FACTS. 35:12 YOU HAVE TOUCHED MANY CONTINENTS. 35:19 HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE YOU BEEN TOO? 35:22 DO YOU EVEN KNOW? >> I WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND 35:25 GET A PIECE OF PAPER AND PENCIL. WE WENT TO ALL OF THE MAYOR 35:29 CITIES IN SOUTH AFRICA. WE DID MEETINGS IN FIJI AND NEW 35:36 ZEALAND, WE HAVE BEEN TO KOREA, CHINA, RUSSIA, ENGLAND, FRANCE, 35:42 GERMANY, ITALY -- >> THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. 35:45 >> YEAH, LOTS. AND MIDDLE EAST. 35:48 AND GOD HAS LESS -- BLESSED. I NEVER DREAMED. 35:55 I WENT TO LIVE IN A CAVE TO LIVE OUT MY DAYS NICE AND QUIET AND 36:01 THE LORD HAS BLESSED. >> PASTOR DOUG BATCHELOR IS A 36:06 VERY PUBLIC MAN, BUT HE LIKES TO BE IN SOLITUDE SOMETIMES, JUST 36:12 UNPLUGGING FROM THE WORLD -- >> YOU HAVE BEEN TO OUR PLACE UP 36:15 IN THE WOODS THERE. WE RECENTLY HAD -- FINALLY AFTER 36:20 YEARS OF AMAZING FACTS WE INVITED OUR CAMERAMAN UP TO THE 36:26 CA CABIN, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 36:28 ENJOYED THAT. >> YOU CAN FIND IT ON YOUTUBE 36:32 COUNTRY LIVING -- >> DOUG BATCHELOR AMAZING FACTS. 36:37 >> YEAH, IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD VIDEO. 36:40 30 MINUTES LONG. IF IT IS IN THE COUNTRY, GOD 36:48 MADE IT. IF IT IS IN THE CITY, CHANCES 36:53 ARE GOD DIDN'T MAKE IT. I FOUND OUT AN AMAZING FACT 37:00 ABOUT LONDON. SOMEBODY SAID IT IS ABOUT AS BIG 37:04 AS MANHATTAN. MANHATTAN IS 33.6 CHOIR MILES, 37:10 MANMAN. >> LONDON, 607 SCARE -- SQUARE 37:20 MILES. IT TOOK FOUR AND A HALF HOURS TO 37:22 GO SOMEWHERE IN TRAFFIC. SO THE CHALLENGES ARE GREAT, BUT 37:26 THE LORD HAS ALLOWED YOU TO GO THERE. 37:31 IF YOU COULD, NARROW DOWN IN YOUR MINISTRY SOMETHING THAT HAS 37:35 BEEN THE GREATEST CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO NEW AUDIENCES, WHEN 37:38 IT COMES TO GOING TO A CITY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY 37:43 SERMONS. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT SERMON 37:45 TO PREACH WHEN YOU GO TO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND 37:48 THE WORLD? >> WELL, THAT IS A GOOD 37:52 QUESTION. IT VARIES. 37:55 BUT I HAVE TO JUST PRAY AND ASK THE HOLY CITY TO GUIDE. 38:01 AND I WAS IN JAKARTA. YOU TALK ABOUT GOING VERY FEW 38:07 MILES. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER PLACE I 38:08 KNOW OF WHERE IT TOOK US ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO GO A MILE. 38:12 >> WOW. >> AND YOU GO SOME OF THESE 38:14 PLACES AND LOOK AT THE CULTURE AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE, AND I 38:17 THOUGHT I HAD A SERIES PREPARED, AND AFTER YOU ARE THERE, AND 38:23 VISIT, AND PRAY, THE LORD PUTS SOMETHING ELSE ON YOUR HEART, 38:27 AND YOU DON'T EVEN ALWAYS KNOW WHY. 38:34 AND YOU CHANGE YOUR ILLUSTRATIONS. 38:36 SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE THE SAME SERMON, BUT THE ILLUSTRATIONS 38:40 THAT YOU BRING IN TO TEACH THE SUBJECT, THEY MAY CHANGE FROM 38:45 ONE AUDIENCE TO THE NEXT, AND I AM ALWAYS PRAYING, AND YOU KNOW 38:49 ME, I'LL BE LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S FACES, AND YOU ARE THIS WAY TOO, 38:53 AND AN IDEA, THOUGHT, IMPRESSION COMES TO ME, AND IT'S SOMETHING 38:59 TOTALLY OUT OF THE NOTES. >> YEAH, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE 39:02 WILL SAY WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? 39:04 AND WE KNOW AT THAT MOMENT GOD IS PORING INTO US IN A WAY HE 39:09 KNOWS HOW TO REACH HIS PEOPLE WHEREVER WE ARE. 39:12 YOU GO TO INDONESIA, THEN SWITZERLAND, THEN CHINA, THE 39:17 CULTURES ARE SO DIVERSE, AND THE REACTIONS ARE ALSO VERY DIVERSE. 39:22 IN THE WEST INDIES YOU GET AN AMEN EVERY TEN SECONDS. 39:30 >> YOU KNOW I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE LORD HAS 39:34 BLESSED OUR MINISTRIES IS IN NEW YORK CITY GOING UP -- AND 39:38 UNLESS A PERSON HAS BEEN THERE, IT IS AN INTERNATIONAL EXPOSURE 39:42 TO HUMANITY, BECAUSE YOU CAN CROSS THE STREET AND GO FROM 39:46 GERMANY TO ITALY, AND THEN YOU CROSS THE STREET AND YOU ARE IN 39:50 CHINA. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 39:51 >> AND YOU GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL IN NEW YORK, AND YOU LEARN ABOUT 39:55 ALL KINDS OF CULTURES AND PEOPLE. 39:58 AND IT HELPS YOU LATER TO RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF 40:01 THESE DIFFERENCES WHEN YOU COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE. 40:04 >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, I 40:07 THINK THIS IS THE PLACE TO REPEAT IT. 40:10 IF YOU WERE RAISED IN NEW YORK CITY, YOU SHOULD GET A MASTER'S 40:15 DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION. I LEARNED WHEN I WENT TO 40:20 CALIFORNIA, THEY SAID WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO SOMEONE LOOK AT 40:23 THEM ONLY, AND I HAD TO LEARN THAT AS I GOT OLDER IN MINISTRY, 40:28 BECAUSE I'LL BE RIGHT THERE, SURE NO PROBLEM. 40:32 WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> AND NEW YORKERS ALL INTERRUPT 40:36 EACH OTHER LIKE I JUST DID WITH YOU. 40:38 >> EXACTLY. AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND EAH OTHER 40:40 VERY, VERY WELL. ON THE TOPIC OF BIBLE SUBJECTS, 40:44 WHICH HAS BEEN -- WE HAVE 28 FUNDAMENTALS, WHICH HAS BEEN ONE 40:48 OF YOUR FAVORITE SUBJECTS TO TALK ABOUT? 40:51 >> WELL, A COUPLE. ONE -- FIRST ONE WITHOUT A DOUBT 40:55 WAS THE SUBJECT ABOUT HELL. BECAUSE AMONG THE SCHOOLS I WENT 40:59 TO WERE A COUPLE OF CATHOLIC SCHOOLS, AND EVEN THOUGH I WAS 41:03 PRETTY MUCH AN ATHEIST, MY CONCEPT OF GOD WHEN I STARTED 41:09 THINKING MAYBE THERE IS A GOD AND JESUS IS REAL. 41:14 YOU ARE GOOD AND GO TO HEAVEN, PLAY A HARP IN THE CLOUDS OR 41:19 SOMETHING, BUT IF YOU WERE BAD YOU GO TO MEDIEVAL HELL AND THE 41:26 PRIEST SAID YOU BURN FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER, AND WHEN I 41:32 LEARNED THAT THE WICKED AREN'T PUNISHED THROUGH ETERNITY. 41:35 THERE IS NO MORE PAIN AND SORROW. 41:39 WHEN I LEARNED THAT, I THOUGHT GOD WAS A GOD OF JUSTICE. 41:43 I USED TO THINK GOD WAS A STATIST IF HE WAS REAL. 41:48 HOW COULD ANY GOD FIND ANY PLEASURE FOR TORTURING PEOPLE 41:55 FOR ETERNITY FOR THE SINS OF A FLASH OF TIME. 41:59 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> FOR ME, WHEN I TEACH THAT 42:02 SUBJECT -- BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT FINALLY MADE IT POSSIBLE TO 42:08 LOVE GOD. BECAUSE INSIDE I THOUGHT HE IS A 42:11 TYRANT THAT HE WOULD TORTURE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. 42:13 YOU HAVE SOME 12 YEAR OLD, COMMITTED SUICIDE OR DIES LOST, 42:19 AND HE IS GOING TO BURN FOREVER AND EVER JUST AS LONG AS ADOLPH 42:27 HITLER OUR STALIN OR ALL OF THESE OTHER -- 42:29 >> YEAH, AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT IS THE 42:34 TOPIC -- OUTIDE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT TRUE, IT DAMAGES 42:38 THE CHARACTER OF GOD. AND IT MAKS GOD THAT IS A GOD 42:41 THAT JUST -- KEEP BURNING, JUST WITHER. 42:44 I ASKED THE QUESTION ONCE, I -SAID WHERE WILL THESE PEOPLE BE TORMENTED. 42:49 AND SOMETIMES YOU SAY WHAT TEXT CAN I ACTUALLY USED TO LET 42:53 PEOPLE KNOW THAT WICKED PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AROUND 42:56 FOREVER. AND ROMANS 6:23. 43:02 AND I ASKED -- >> SAME THING. 43:04 >> AND I ASKED THE SIMPLE QUESTION, WHO RECEIVES ETERNAL 43:10 RIGHT. PEOPLE SAY THE RIGHTEOUS, I SAID 43:12 WHO RECEIVES THE WAGES OF SIN, DEATH. 43:15 WELL, THE WICKED. WELL, HOW CAN THE WICKED BURN 43:20 FOREVER IF THEY DON'T LIVE FOREVER. 43:24 >> THE DEVIL TOLD EVE, YOU WILL NOT DIE. 43:27 BUT JESUS SAYS WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM HAS EVER LASTING 43:32 LIFE AND WILL NOT PARISH. SO YOU GET TWO CHOICES. 43:37 EVER-LASTING LIFE OR DEATH. THAT'S IT. 43:39 >> WE'RE STIMULATING THESE TOPICS, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 43:43 OTHERS HERE. BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE BIBLE 43:46 QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO SEND IN. 43:48 IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE PROGRAM YOU 43:52 CAN SEND THEM BY EMAIL TO LIVE@3ABN.TV, OR 618-627-4651. 44:01 AND PASTOR DOUG AND I -- WE'RE GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 44:06 SOME OTHER GUESTS FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE PROGRAM, BUT THOSE 44:10 ARE QUESTIONS BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WATCHING THE PROGRAM THAT MAY 44:14 OR MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME BELIEFS THAT WE ESPOUSE TO, AND MAY HAVE 44:21 QUESTIONS. PEOPLE MAY SAY, GOD IS NOT THAT 44:23 KIND OF GOD, GOD IS LOVE. AND THA HAS BEEN A BIG QUESTION 44:28 IN THE FIND OF SO MANY PEOPLE. >> THERE ARE OF VERSES IN THE 44:32 BIBLE THAT CREATION CONFUSION. >> IF LEFT BY THEMSELVES. 44:35 >> YEAH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE VERSES TOGETHER IT IS 44:39 CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND ANY BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIAN -- ONE 44:43 OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO IS SIT DOWN WITH THE BIBLE AND SAY, 44:47 LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS. 44:51 I DID THIS WITH A PASTOR ONE DAY, AND HE SAID I HAVE SEEN 44:55 THESE VERSES THAT SAYS THE WICKED WILL BE CONSUMED, NO MORE 45:01 PAIN, ALL THINGS NEW, AND THEY SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE NOT 45:06 BURNING FOREVER, BUT IF I TOLD MY CONGREGATION THAT, THEY WON'T 45:10 COME TO CHURCH. I SAID ARE THEY COMING TO CHURCH 45:13 BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID THEY ARE GOING TO BURN FOREVER IF THEY 45:17 DON'T? THAT IS THE WRONG REASON TO 45:21 SERVE GOD. YEAH. 45:22 SO -- YEAH. AND WE LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR 45:25 THAT ACTUALLY WHAT WE BELIEVE ABOUT HELL IS EVEN HOTTEST THAN 45:29 THE BAPTIST HELL. >> OKAY. 45:31 MAKE THAT CLEAR. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. 45:35 [ LAUGHTER ] >> BECAUSE THE TYPICAL BAPTIST 45:37 THAT SAYS YOU GO TO HELL AND BURN FOREVER AND FOREVER. 45:41 THAT'S JUST A SLOW ROTISSERIE. OUR HELL IS SO HOT THEY WILL BE 45:47 BURNED UP. WE BELIEVE IN PUNSHMENT, BUT WE 45:50 BELIEVE IT BURNS UP, AND THAT'S WHAT JESUS SAID. 45:52 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT SAID DON'T FEAR HIM WHO 45:55 CAN DESTROY THE BODY, BUT CANNOT HURT YOUR SOUL, RATHER FEAR HIM 46:02 WHO CAN DESTROY SOUL AND BODY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 46:04 >> SO IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. >> SO THE SOUL IS NOT IMMORTAL 46:09 EITHER. >> ONLY GOD AND GOD ONLY HAVE 46:13 IMMORTALITY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 46:14 SOMEBODY ONCE ASKED ME DIDN'T ADAM AND EVE HAVE IMMORTALITY 46:19 WHEN THEY WERE CREATED. AND THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED 46:27 IMMORTALITY AS A GIFT IF THEY WERE OBEDIENT. 46:30 WHAT IS THE NEXT TOPIC YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS? 46:37 HELL IS A FREEING ONE. >> WELL, THE SECOND COMING OF 46:41 JESUS, IS OF COURSE -- I'M A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, AND 46:47 ADVENTISTS ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE RETURN OF JESUS. 46:51 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT GOING TO GO ON LIKE THIS 46:54 FOREVER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 46:55 >> WE JUST GOT DONE WITH A MAGAZINE THAT JUST CAME OUT A 46:59 LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK AGO, CALLED THE DAY OF THE LORD, AND 47:03 IT'S A BEAUTIFUL 90-PAGE MAGAZINE THAT IS FILLED WITH 47:07 ILLUSTRATIONS THAT FOCUSES ON SIGNS OF JESUS COMING, IT'S A 47:11 GREAT WITNESSING TOOL. SO WE'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT 47:15 THAT. WE DEVELOPED A WEBSITE CALLED 47:19 RAPTURETRUTH.COM. SO WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW 47:20 ABOUT THE SECOND COMING -- A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT IS 47:25 THE RAPTURE SECRET. AND LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THE 47:29 LORD IS COMING SOON. >> REMEMBER HE IS DECEASED NOW, 47:34 BUT REMEMBER HARROW CAMPING. WE HAD A NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS 47:40 WE WOULD MAKE TO HARROW CAMPING WHEN HE WOULD TALK ABOUT HELL. 47:45 WHAT ABOUT THE SABBATH? BECAUSE YOU HAD TO LEARN ABOUT 47:48 THE SABBATH IN A VERY UNUSUAL WAY. 47:51 >> WELL, MY MOTHER WAS JEWISH, SO I KNEW ABOUT THE SABBATH. 47:56 WE WERE PRETTY MUCH SECULAR JEWS. 47:58 SO I KNEW ABOUT IT FROM THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS, BUT WHEN I 48:02 READ THE BIBLE AND I ACCEPTED JESUS, I KEPT THINKING, 48:06 EVENTUALLY I'M GOING TO COME TO THAT VERSE WHERE JESUS IS. 48:10 NOW I HAVE CHANGED IT TO THE FIRST DAY. 48:12 EVERYONE TOLD ME THAT, I SAID IT HAS TO BE IN THERE, I JUST 48:18 HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET, AND I KEPT READING, AND IT JUST WASN'T 48:23 THERE. WHEN I WAS LIVING IN THE 48:26 MOUNTAINS, I WENT FROM ONE CHURCH TO THE NEX, AND I 48:30 BELIEVED THERE WILL BE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WENT TO CHURCH ON 48:32 THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 48:36 BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO THE BIBLE, THERE IS NO QUESTION 48:39 ABOUT -- IT SAYS THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH. 48:43 THERE IS NO COMMAND TO KEEP THE FIRST DAY HOLY. 48:51 AND WE BOTH READ THAT BOOK "THE GREAT CONTROVERSY." 48:55 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> HOW OLD WER YOU? 48:59 >> ABOUT 17. THAT WAS MY BREAK TRUE. 49:02 >> AND IT BRINGS OU HOW THE SABBATH HAS BEEN ECLIPSED BY 49:09 TRADITION. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 49:10 >> AND WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THAT, AND THE BLESSINGS THAT 49:13 PEOPLE ARE MISSING BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER. 49:15 AND THERE IS A WEBSITE CALLED SABBATHTRUTH.COM. 49:22 IT'S THE NUMBER ONE WEBSITE ON GOOGLE. 49:25 IF YOU TYPE IN THE WORD SABBATH, YOU HAVE 92 OPTIONS ON THE FIRST 49:31 PAGE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 49:32 YOU KNOW, I LOVE AMAZING FACTS WEBSITE. 49:35 I MEAN I SAY THIS AS A PERSON WHO WORKS WITH 3ABN, ALL 49:40 CONFERENCE PASTOR, BUT WHENEVER I'M LOOKING FOR QUICK LINKS TO 49:44 SEND TO PEOPLE THAT NEED A THOROUGH BIBLE STUDY, I WILL GO 49:49 TO THE ONE ABOUT THE SABBATH OR THE DAY OF THE DEAD, OR 49:52 WHATEVER, GO TO THAT PAGE, OPEN UP THE FOLDERS, COPY IT IN A 49:58 LINK AND DROP IT IN A EMAIL. FOR THOSE OF YOU ON FACEBOOK OR 50:06 TWITTER, YOU COULD REALLY ADVANCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IF 50:09 YOU DID THAT. ALSO 3ABN HAVE WONDERFUL BIBLE 50:15 LINKS. COPY THE LINK DROP IT IN AN 50:20 EMAIL, PUT IT ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE, AND START GIVING BIBLE 50:24 STUDIES WITHOUT EVEN SAYING A WORD. 50:29 LET THE BIBLE STUDY BE THE ONE THAT PLANTS THOSE SEEDS. 50:33 >> IT GREATLY INCREASES THE VISIBILITY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE A 50:38 WEBSITE. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING THEY 50:40 FIND IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN 50:43 AFTER. I SAW A VIDEO A FEW YEARS AGO 50:45 WHEN THESE GUYS WERE IN SOUTH AMERICA IN SOME TRIB BU TERRY OF 50:56 THE AMAZON. AND THEY PULL OUT THIS NIGHT 51:00 SCOPE AND SIGN IT ON THE WATER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE FISH GET 51:04 SO EXCITED THEY START JUMPING OUT OF THE WATER, AND THE BOAT 51:08 FILLS UP WITH FISH. THEY DON'T HAVE A NET, THEY 51:11 DON'T HAVE A HOOK, THEY ARE FISHING WITH LIGHT. 51:14 AND I THOUGHT THAT'S AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT YOU ARE 51:17 DOING WHEN YOU HAVE THE INTERNET. 51:19 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> YOU ARE OUT THERE, AROUND THE 51:22 WORLD, SPREADING LIKE BEAMS OF LIGHT THE MESSAGES OF TRUTH SO 51:26 YOU ARE HOPING PEOPLE WILL FINE THESE WEBSITES WHEN THEY ARE 51:29 GOING TO STUDY, THE TRUTH ABOUT HELL WEBSITE, SABBATH, DEATH, 51:35 SECOND COMING OR RAPTURE, AND PEOPLE ARE STUDYING. 51:39 AND TRUTH TRANSFORMS. IT SETS YOU FREE. 51:42 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NUMBER 1 ROADBLOCK HAS BEEN TO PEOPLE 51:48 ACCEPTING THE TRUTH ABOUT MANY OF THESE TOPICS. 51:50 THE BIBLE IS NOT A BOOK OF CONFUSION, BUT SO MANY FAITHS 51:55 HAVE SPRINGBOARDED FROM THE BIBLE, THAT SAID, WELL, THIS IS 51:58 WHAT I BELIEVE, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT. 52:02 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ROADBLOCK IS TO PEOPLE SAYING I KNOW THE 52:07 BIBLE, I ACCEPT THAT. >> THE DEVIL. 52:11 PRETTY BIG ROADBLOCK. [ LAUGHTER ] 52:14 >> BUT THE OTHER THING IS JESUS SAID YOU WILL FIND ME WHEN YOU 52:19 ARE SEARCHING WITH YOUR HEART. I DIDN'T FIND HIM RIGHT AWAY, 52:23 BUT JESUS SAID IF YOU ARE WILLING TO DO HIS WILL, THE 52:27 NUMBER ONE CRITERIA IS A SURRENDER AND WILLINGNESS. 52:31 GOD WANTS TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO HIS 52:37 WILL. DESIRE -- SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND 52:40 ME. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 52:41 >> SO MANY PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, AND IF THEY ARE 52:45 WILLING TO DO THE TRUTH WHEN THEY KNOW IT, GOD MAKES IT 52:49 RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE IT KNOWN. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 52:52 >> AND HE WILL SHOW US IF HE IS SEARCHING. 52:56 >> AND THE TRUTH ALSO BRINGS FREEDOM. 52:58 WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT 53:02 BELIEFS ARE SHUT OUT OF HEAVEN. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 53:06 WE BELIEVE THE LORD LOVES YOU WHEREVER YOU MIGHT BE IN YOUR 53:09 FAITH COMMUNITY, AND ACCEPTS YOU WHERE YOU AR, BUT THE WORK OF 53:13 THE HOLY SPIRIT, HE NEVER LEAVES YOU WHERE HE FINES YOU, BECAUSE 53:18 THE BIBLE SAYS THE SPIRIT WILL LEAD YOU AND GUIDE YOU INTO ALL 53:23 TRUTH. SO DON'T FEAR TRUTH. 53:24 >> YEAH, EVERY ELEMENT OF TRUTH A PERSON LEARNS, IF A PESON 53:31 LEARNS THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHE, THERE IS A BIBLE VERSE THERE. 53:35 IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT GOD CAN'T BLESS THEM. 53:38 IF YOU LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT HONORING YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER, 53:42 YOUR DAYS WILL BE LONG UPON THE LAND THAT THE LORD GIVES YOU. 53:47 SO EVERY STEP OF TRUTH THAT WE ADVANCE, BLESSINGS COME WITH IT. 53:51 >> AND SO WE -- WE TRY TO TEACH THE FULL GOSPEL, BECAUSE PEOPLE 53:58 THAT ARE BLESSED, THE TRUTH SETS THEM FREE. 54:02 >> THERE WAS A BOOK CALLED "THE SEVEN HABITS OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE 54:07 PEOPLE." ONE OF THE STEPS OF A HIGHLY 54:09 EFFECTIVE CHRISTIAN IS LET THE BIBLE SPEAK AND SIPLY FOLLOW 54:12 IT. AND I WAS LIKE, CAN YOU IMAGINE 54:14 DRIVING IN YOUR CAR, I KNOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, I 54:19 CAN'T MAKE THIS A SOLID LASER ANALOGY, BUT SOMETIMES WE'RE 54:23 GOING TO AN UNFAMILIAR PLACE AND WE'RE ARGUING WITH THE GPS, AND 54:28 WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE -- >> I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN RIGHT A 54:32 COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN GPS WAS WRONG. 54:35 >> RIGHT. >> I THOUGHT I KNOW TRAFFIC IS 54:38 GOING TO BE REALLY BAD, I KNOW I BETTER DISOBEY THE GPS RIGHT 54:43 NOW. >> AND IN THAT CASE -- 54:45 >> BUT, YEAH. >> BUT THE BIBLE ALWAYS GUIDES 54:48 YOU WONDERFULLY, AND WE HAVE A SECOND -- I WANT TO REMIND YOU, 54:53 AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO WRITE US OR SEND QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, 55:01 SEND THOSE QUESTIONS TO LIVE@3ABN.TV, OR CALL US AT 55:09 618-627-4651. WHENEVER PASTOR DOUG BATCHELOR 55:13 IS HERE, IT'S A PERFECT TIME TO PICK HIS BRAIN. 55:16 AND ALSO WE HAVE A FREE OFFER ONCE AGAIN, I LIKE THAT 55:23 SUBTITLE. THE BIBLE SAYS AS A MAN THINKTH, 55:26 SO DOES HE. YOUR THOUGHTS DEVELOP WHO YOU 55:30 ARE IN CHARACTER AND INDEED. AND YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THAT 55:37 AT FREEOFFER@3ABN.TV, OR CALL 618-627-4651. 55:43 THERE ARE THOSE WAITING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PHONE TO MAKE 55:46 SURE YOU GET A FREE COPY OF THIS BOOK, WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE 55:50 FOR THE NEXT HOUR AND TW MINUTES. 55:53 AS WE GET READY TO TRANSITION INTO THE SECOND HOUR OF THE 55:56 PROGRAM. WHAT IS YOUR OTHER TOPIC THAT 55:59 YOU LIKE -- HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A VEGETARIAN RIGHT NOW? 56:04 BY THE WAY. >> I HAVE BEEN A VEGETARIAN, 56:08 PROBABLY -- OH, 38 YEARS. AND I HAVE BEEN A VEGAN 56:13 VEGETARIAN, AND I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER SINCE I BECAME A VEGAN 56:18 VEGETARIAN, FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW. >> OKAY. 56:21 >> AND I JUST BREATHE SO MUCH BETTER -- 56:24 >> NO MORE CONGESTION. >> YEAH. 56:27 YOU KNOW I WAS ADDICTED TO ICE CREAM. 56:29 >> OH, MAN, LET'S GO TO HOGGEN DAS. 56:35 THAT WAS YOUR FAVORITE THING TO DO AFTER OUR MINISTRIES. 56:39 SO MANY OF THE STORIES YOU TELL AND I TELL, DOUG IS IN THAT 56:44 STORY SOMEWHERE. HE TALKS ABOUT DRIVING WITH THE 56:47 MOUSE IN THE CAR, AND WHEN THE PLANE ALMOST RAN OUT OF FUEL. 56:52 AND WE HAVE GROWN IN TO MANY WAYS, AND AS WE ARE GROWING IN 56:58 CHRIST, WE'LL NEVER STOP GROWING. 57:00 >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO LEARN. >> CONTINUE TO LEARN. 57:02 >> YEAH. >> BECAUSE CAN YOU IMAGINE THE 57:05 MIND OF GOD? >> NO. 57:07 >> THAT IS GOING TO MESS YOU UP. BUT SO -- SO THE TOPIC OF 57:12 VEGANISM? >> YEAH, WELL, I WAS 57:14 JUST -- I -- THE HEALTH MESSAGE WAS SUCH A BLESSING FOR ME 57:18 TO -- TO LEARN, AND I HAD SEEN AND LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT 57:23 NOT LIVING BY THE PRINCIPLES IN BIBLE OF TAKING CARE OF YOUR 57:30 BODY, THAT YOU BREAK DOWN, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LONG LIFE, AND 57:33 YOU DON'T HAVE AN ABUNDANT LIFE, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER AMAZING 57:38 TRUTH. >> I THINK IN THE BOOK OF 57:42 HEBREWS, THE FIRST THING IT BEGINS WITH IS YOUR DIET. 57:48 WE'LL BE GONE FOR JUST TWO MINUTES, AND WE'LL BE BACK IN 57:52 JUST A FEW MOMENTS TO BEGIN THE SECOND HALF. 57:55 DON'T GO AWAY. ♪ |
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