Participants: Mollie Steenson (Host), Shelley Quinn (Host), Heather Dawn-Small
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL016511B
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00:27 MOLLIE YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE THIS. >> THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE
00:31 LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SENT IN. 00:33 SO, JUST GO RIGHT AHEAD AND CONTINUE SENDING IN YOUR 00:36 QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR HEATHER-DAWN AND I'M GOING 00:42 TO READ IT. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO INTRODUCE 00:45 THAT ONE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEALING WITH 00:48 LIFE'S PAINS AND OUR SPECIAL GUEST IS HEATHER-DAWN SMALL WHO 00:51 IS THE WOMEN'S MINISTRIES DIRECTOR FOR THE GENERAL 00:55 CONFERENCE OF THE 7TH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH AND WE HAD A 00:59 WONDERFUL FIRST HOUR. >> YES, WE DID. 01:01 >> SO GOOD IT CHOKED ME UP. [LAUGHTER] 01:03 >> AND NOW, GO AHEAD AND READ THIS QUESTION. 01:05 >> SO, HEATHER, THIS LADY SAYS, BERNICE SAYS, I LOST MY HUSBAND 01:11 ONE DAY AFTER MY 60TH BIRTHDAY. SIX MONTHS AGO AND I ALSO LOST 01:16 MY JOB THREE MONTHS BEFORE THAT. I HAVE BEEN NOMINATED TO BE THE 01:20 WOMEN'S MINISTRY LEADER AT MY CHURCH AND I AM WONDERING IF I 01:25 SHOULD MAINTAIN THE POSITION OR RESIGN FOR NOW TO GO THROUGH THE 01:29 GRIEVING PROCESS? WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR 01:32 HER? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR COUNSEL IN 01:34 THIS? >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE 01:35 WOMEN ARE VERY GOOD AT IS GETTING BUSY TO HELP US SO WE 01:41 DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THINGS. 01:44 I WOULD ADVISE THIS DEAR SISTER TAKE THE TIME SHE NEEDS. 01:48 TAKE THE TIME SHE NEEDS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE'LL PULL 01:51 BACK INTO HER LITTLE PLACE AND NOT COMMUNICATE WITH ANYONE AND 01:55 JUST SUFFER ALONE, BUT TRYING TO DO BOTH THINGS IS GOING TO BE 02:00 REALLY DIFFICULT FOR HER. SHE NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE 02:03 GRIEVING PROCESS. SHE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE HER 02:05 RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS GOING RIGHT AND IS STRONG. 02:09 YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE THINGS AND YOU 02:13 HAVE THESE DOUBT AND QUESTIONING AND WONDERING. 02:15 I THINK SHE NEEDS TO TAKE SOME TIME. 02:17 >> I COULD SPEAK TO BERNICE PERSONALLY. 02:20 I LOST MY SISTER IN 2014, VERY UNEXPECTEDLY. 02:26 SHE WAS LIKE MY BABY, IF YOU WILL, AND I DID NOT TAKE THE 02:30 TIME " -- I TOOK OFF A WEEK TO HANDLE THE FUNERAL OF THE BUT I 02:37 JUMPED RIGHT BACK INTO MINISTRY AND INTO LIFE AND JUST 02:41 EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOING VERY RAPIDLY. 02:44 AND BERNICE, WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IS ABOUT JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, 02:49 ONE DAY I WOKE UP AND RECOGNIZED I'M JUST FEELING NUMB. 02:53 AND I THOUGHT WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME, LORD? 02:56 SUDDENLY I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE DOING MY DEVOTIONALS OR PRAYING 03:03 AND MY PRAYERS WERE GETTING SHORTER AND THEN I STARTED 03:06 EATING CRAZY AND DOING ALL THESE FUNNY THINGS. 03:11 AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU KNOW, 03:15 SOMETHING TRIGGERED IT WHERE THE PAIN STARTED COMING OUT. 03:19 AND IT WASN'T JUST THE PAIN OF MY SISTER'S DEATH BUT BECAUSE OF 03:25 EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED IN OUR LIVES TOGETHER, SUDDENLY 03:31 I REVISITED SOME OTHER PAINFUL EXPERIENCES AND I REALIZED, 03:36 LORD, I JUST DIDN'T GRIEVE. I DIDN'T GET THIS OUT. 03:39 SO, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU. 03:43 AS YOU SAID, WE'RE GOOD AT STUFFING THINGS. 03:45 WE'RE GOOD AT HIDING THINGS AND GETTING BUSY BUT IT'S GOING TO 03:49 COME OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SOONER OR LATER. 03:53 >> LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT 03:57 OF MATERIAL, WONDERFUL MATERIAL TO COVER. 04:00 THIS ONE TOUCHES MY HEART. SHE SAYS, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF 04:04 ELDERLY WOMEN IN OUR CHURCH WHO ARE IN THEIR SEVENTIES? 04:10 YOU'RE NOT TOO OLD. 70 IS NOT TOO OLD. 04:16 AND STILL THERE IS NO ROLE FOR THEM DUE TO THEIR AGE AND 04:19 DECLINING HEALTH. THAT IS THE VERY SERIOUS 04:21 QUESTION. I FEEL LIKE THIS COMES FROM 04:24 JUDITH'S HEART. SO, WHAT WOULD YOU SPEAK TO HER? 04:28 >> ONE OF THE SIX ISSUES WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE WAS LACK OF 04:33 EDUCATION AND MENTORING. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WOMEN HAVE 04:45 KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT THEY CAN PASS ON TO YOUNGER 04:48 WOMAN AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LET THAT GO. 04:51 IF EVERY CHURCH HAD A MENTORING PROGRAM, NOT JUST FOR THE YOUNG 04:54 WOMEN BUT FOR THE YOUNG MEN TOO WHERE WE CONNECT OUR YOUNGER 05:00 WOMEN WITH AN OLDER LADY WITH THE CHURCH TO VISIT THEM OR CALL 05:06 THEM ON THE PHONE SO MUCH INFORMATION CAN PASS ON BETWEEN 05:10 THOSE TWO. PAUL SAID, LET THE OLDER WOMEN 05:13 TEACH THE YOUNGER WOMAN. THERE IS SO MUCH WE CAN LEARN 05:16 FROM THEM. SO FEELING USELESS, NO, NO, NO, 05:20 NO. WE NEED TO GET ALL WE CAN GET 05:22 OUT OF YOU AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH IN 05:26 LIFE. >> AMEN. 05:27 >> RECENTLY WE WATCHED A MOVIE, THE NAME OF THE MOVIE WAS "THE 05:31 WAR ROOM." HAVE YOU SEEN IT? 05:32 >> YES, I HAVE >> IN IT AND IT IS AN INCREDIBLY 05:38 GOOD CHRISTIAN MOVIE THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO WATCH. 05:42 IN IT THIS OLDER WOMAN WAS PRAYING AND ASKING THE LORD FOR 05:47 A YOUNGER WOMAN THAT SHE COULD MENTOR AND SHE COULD PASS ON 05:50 WHAT THE LORD HAS TAUGHT HER AND SHOWN HER. 05:53 AND OF COURSE IN THE MOVIE SHE FINDS THIS WOMAN AND THIS 05:56 WOMAN'S GOT A LITTLE 7 OR 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND YOU SEE 05:59 THE LITTLE CHILD START IMITATING THE MOTHER. 06:03 IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL EXPRESSION OF PASSING ON THOSE GIFTS THAT 06:08 GOD HAS IMPARTED TO THE OLDER WOMAN. 06:11 SO THERE IS SO MUCH. AND YOU AS AN OLDER LADY, YOU 06:14 NEED A YOUNGER FRIEND ANYWAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 06:17 >> SOMEONE TO PUT THAT INTO. >> AND THAT GOES FOR ALL OF US. 06:20 >> WE ALL NEED TO FIND OURSELVES MENTORING SOMEONE YOUNGER THAN 06:25 US AS WE GO THROUGH LIFE. >> ABSOLUTELY. 06:27 >> YOU AND KNOW, I JUST WANT TO GIVE JUDITH A PROMISE OF THE 06:34 LORD FROM PSALM 92 VERSE 13 AND 14. 06:38 WHAT THE PSALM SAYS HERE, HERE IS THOSE WHO ARE PLANTED IN THE 06:44 HOUSE OF THE LORD SHALL FLOURISH IN THE COURTS OF OUR GOD. 06:48 THEY SHALL STILL BEAR FRUIT IN OLD AGE AND SHALL BE FRESH AND 06:55 FLOURISHING TO DECLARE THE LORD IS UP RIGHT. 06:58 HE IS MY ROCK. WHAT IF SOMEBODY IS -- I HAD A 07:10 LADY CALL ME IN A NURSING HOME AND COULDN'T GET OUT AND SHE 07:19 SAID, I PRAY FOR YOU EVERY DAY. I PRAY FOR EVERYBODY AT 3ABN AND 07:24 SHE LISTED OFF EVERYBODY BY NAME AND HE SAID I PRAY FOR THE 07:28 CHURCH WORKERS AND SHE'S TELLING ME THESE THINGS BUT SHE SAID, I 07:32 NEED YOU TO PRAY FOR ME BECAUSE SHE SAID -- SHE JUST BEGAN TO 07:38 WEEP. SHE SAID I WAS A MISSIONARY'S 07:41 WIFE AND NOW I DON'T HAVE ANY MINISTRY. 07:44 I SAID WAIT A MINUTE. YOU JUST GOT THROUGH TELLING ME, 07:48 YOU PRAY ALL DAY LONG. I SAID CONGRATULATIONS. 07:59 DON'T EVER TAKE THAT GRANTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GOD IS 08:03 LOOKING FOR IS PEOPLE WHO WILL INTERCEDE AND IT'S SUCH A 08:09 POWERFUL MINISTRY. LET'S TALK ABOUT ABUSE, HUMAN 08:53 TRAFFICKING, THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND HOW DO 08:58 WE REACH OUT TO -- IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE GOSPEL 09:05 TO PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PHYSICALLY ABUSED, SEXUALLY 09:09 ABUSED, EMOTIONALLY ABUSED, HOW DO WE REACH OUT FIRST TO PREPARE 09:14 THE GROUND SO THAT THEY CAN RECEIVE THE GOOD NEWS? 09:17 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS BE 09:22 INFORMED. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES IN MY 09:27 COMMUNITY AND MY CITY AND MY PART OF THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES 09:30 TO ABUSE WHAT IS NUMBER ONE. IS IT THAT NUMBER ONE? 09:35 IS IT THAT RAPE IS THE NUMBER ONE THING IN MY COMMUNITY. 09:39 I NEED TO FIND OUT WHEN I HAVE TO GO TO THE PLACE STATION OR 09:43 MAYOR'S OFFICE OR WHATEVER IT IS, I'M GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S 09:46 HAPPENING WHEN IT COMES TO ABUSE IN MY PART OF THE WORLD. 09:49 ONCE I FIND THAT OUT THEN I DECIDE, WELL, OKAY, MAYBE I'LL 09:53 GET A GROUP OF SISTERS TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING 09:57 WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP SOMEONE ELSE. 10:00 I REMEMBER SOME YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS HERE SOME LADIES HAD ON 10:07 DISPLAY SOME BEAUTIFUL THINGS THEY HAD MADE TO TAKE TO WOMEN 10:13 BEAUTIFUL LITTLE BASKETS WITH LITTLE DOLLAR STORE COSMETICS 10:18 INSIDE WHICH THEY WOULD TAKE TO THE HOSPITAL TO GIVE TO WOMEN 10:20 WHO HAD BEEN RAPED. AND WHEN THE VICTIM HAD BEEN 10:24 EXAMINED AND QUESTIONED AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THEY WOULD 10:27 GIVE THEM THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE BASKET WITH THESE LOVELY AROMA 10:32 THERAPY THINGS IN IT SHE COULD THEN GO AND HAVE HER FIRST BATH. 10:36 THERE ARE SO MANY PRACTICAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. 10:38 I'VE SHARED THAT STORY ALL OVER THE WORLD TO HELP WOMEN DEAL 10:44 WITH THESE ISSUES. I THINK OF ROMANIA WHERE WE HAVE 10:48 SISTERS WHO GO OUT IN THE STREET AND THEY HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE 10:56 PROSTITUTES. WE THINK PROSTITUTES, OH, WELL, 10:59 THAT'S NOT ABUSE. WELL, NOT NECESSARILY. 11:03 MANY OF THESE WOMEN FIND THEMSELVES DOING THIS BECAUSE 11:06 NUMBER ONE THEY'VE BEEN KIDNAPPED FROM WHERE THEY LIVED. 11:09 THEY'RE FORCED INTO IT. THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF IT. 11:13 SO OUR LADIES GO OUT ON THE STREETS AND THEY TAKE THEM 11:16 SANDWICHES. THEY TAKE THEM WATER. 11:18 THEY TAKE THEM CONDOMS. BECAUSE NOBODY PROVIDES THEM 11:21 WITH THIS STUFF. AND THEY TALK WITH THEM AND TRY 11:25 TO BECOME FRIENDS WITH THEM. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO 11:30 TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BUT IT BEGINS WITH BEING 11:33 INFORMED. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ISSUE. 11:36 >> EVERYONE OF THOSE GIRLS IS SOMEBODY'S DAUGHTER. 11:40 AND YOU'RE SOMEBODY'S CHILD. >> EITHER ONE OF THEM WOKE UP 11:45 AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THE REST OF MY LIFE. 11:48 THAT WAS FORCED UPON THEM. >> WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THINGS 11:53 LIKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING WHICH IS WAY UP THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE 11:57 THINK ABOUT BEING DRUGGED AND TAKEN FROM YOUR COUNTRY TO 12:00 ANOTHER COUNTRY WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN DAYS OF TRAVEL AND YOU WERE 12:06 DRUGGED THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WHEN YOU WAKE UP 12:08 YOU'RE IN A CLOSET OR ATTIC OR BACK ROOM SOMEWHERE WHERE MEN 12:13 COME AND RAPE YOU OVER AND OVER. THERE ARE JUST -- THERE'S A LOT 12:19 THAT WE CAN PRAY FOR AND WE NEED TO BE PRAYING, BUT I ALSO 12:22 BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT WE CAN DO. 12:26 YOU KNOW, I HEAR LADIES SAY TO ME, AS CHRISTIANS I DON'T THINK 12:31 WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN SOCIAL ACTIVISM AND I SAY, EXCUSE ME? 12:37 I GO TO COUNTRIES WHERE MY SISTERS GO OUT ON THE STREETS 12:42 AND MARCH AND THEY'LL PEOPLE STANDING UP ON THE SIDES OF THE 12:47 STREETS LOOKING AT US AS WE MARCH THROUGH THE STREETS AND WE 12:52 HAVE THEM SIGN A PLEDGE CARD AND GIVE THEM INFORMATION. 12:54 WE'VE GOT TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A TOWN 12:58 PROBLEM, THIS IS A GLOBAL PROBLEM. 13:01 AND WE NEED TO SPEAK UP. I ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT VERSE IN 13:07 PROVERBS 31 I THINK VERSE EIGHT, SPEAK UP FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT 13:09 SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHO IS GOING TO BE THE VOICE? 13:12 AM I GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO DO THE BIBLE STUDY AND SOMEONE 13:17 ELSE DO THE OTHER PART. WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIFE OF 13:19 JESUS, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE D I LOOK AT HIM PEEKING UP FOR THE 13:25 WOMAN WHO WAS CAUGHT IN THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION WHERE THE MAN 13:29 WASN'T CALLED BUT SHE WAS -- THEY WERE READY TO STONE HER. 13:33 HE SPOKE UP FOR HER. I THINK OF SO MANY OTHER 13:37 SITUATIONS. THE WOMAN AT THE WELL, JUST SO 13:42 MANY TIMES WHEN SOMETHING HE SAID. 13:45 I THINK ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL ONES AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT 13:49 COMES TO MY MIND WHEN I THINK OF THE WOMAN WHO WAS DOUBLED OVER. 13:57 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, BUT DOUBLED OVER, YOUR VIEW OF 14:01 THE WORLD SUDDENLY BECOMES THE DIRT AND THE MUCK. 14:04 THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONCRETE STREETS BACK THEN. 14:06 YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THIS WOMAN SAW EVERY DAY AND JESUS 14:10 ADDRESSED THIS WOMAN AS DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM. 14:16 WOW. TALK ABOUT ACTIVISM. 14:20 NOBODY -- NO WOMAN WAS CALLED A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM. 14:24 EVEN IF ABRAHAM WOULD HAVE HAD DAUGHTERS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SON 14:27 IN ABRAHAM. BECAUSE IN THE JEWISH CULTURE 14:30 THE MAN WAS VALUED AND THE WOMAN WASN'T. 14:36 SO, FOR HIM TO CALL HER DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM ELEVATED HER ON AN 14:41 EQUAL LEVEL WITH THE MEN. SO, HOW DO I SAY THAT I'M GOING 14:45 TO TELL PEOPLE OF THE LOVE OF J 14:50 JESUS BUT IGNORE THE SITUATION I'M IN BUT STILL GIVE YOU JESUS. 14:56 >> PEOPLE DON'T CARE. WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS. 15:01 I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID WHEN YOU HEATHER-DAWN SAID GO TO THE 15:08 POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR TOWN. 15:11 I REMEMBER WE WERE LIVING IN A SMALL COMMUNITY FOR A SHORT TIME 15:16 AND WAS VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN MINISTRY AND STARTED WORKING 15:22 WITH SOME PEOPLE, SOME POLICEMEN WHO WOULD COME AND FOUND OUT IN 15:28 THIS SMALL LITTLE TOWN WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE MOST 15:31 PERFECT PLACE TO REAR A CHILD, THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IN THAT 15:38 TOWN WAS INCEST. INCEST. 15:41 AND YOU THINK, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING? 15:44 AND THEY SAID IT WAS SO PREVALENT. 15:47 SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO THEN IS THINK HOW CAN WE FIRST REACH 15:54 VICTIMS AND LET VICTIMS KNOW THAT THERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO 15:57 TALK AND A SAFE PLACE TO GO, BUT HOW CAN YOU THEN ALSO MAKE A 16:04 DIFFERENCE BY DEVELOPING THE KIND OF MATERIALS MAYBE, HOLDING 16:10 SEMINARS SO THAT PEOPLE WHETHER IT BE THE PARENT WHO IS NOT 16:15 GUILTY OF THE INCENSE CAN COME AND LEARN OR HOW CAN YOU LOCK 16:19 THAT PERSON UP. BUT THE POINT IS, THERE'S SO 16:24 MUCH -- WE HEAR THESE STORIES OF SEXUAL SLAVE TRADE THAT 'S GOING 16:31 ON IN INDIA AND AFRICA >> AND AMERICA. 16:36 >> RIGHT NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET. 16:39 >> LOOK WHAT GOES ON EVERYWHERE. >> LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. 16:43 WHEN YOU THINK OF FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION, THERE WAS A TIME WE 16:47 THOUGHT OF HA AND WE THOUGHT THAT HAPPENS IN THOSE COUNTRIES 16:50 AND NOT HERE. BUT NOW WE'RE DISCOVERING IT HAPPENS HERE. 16:55 >> THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD THIS. 16:56 >> IT'S HAPPENING HERE, BECAUSE MANY OF THESE PEOPLE GROUPS LIVE 17:00 IN PEOPLE GROUPS WHEN THEY LIVE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND 17:02 THEY CONTINUE THEIR TRADITIONS AND CUSTOMS. 17:05 SOMETIMES WHAT THEY'LL DO, THEY TAKE THE CHILD BACK TO THE 17:09 COUNTRY WHERE SHE WILL THEN HAVE THIS PROCEDURE DONE AND THEN 17:12 BRING HER BACK TO THE UNITED STATES. 17:14 OR THEY'LL DO IT RIGHT HERE AND IT'S NOT DONE IN A HOSPITAL. 17:19 IT'S NOT DONE UNDER STERILE CONDITIONS. 17:22 IT'S DONE IN A HOME IN A BACK ROOM AND SO THESE ARE ISSUES 17:25 THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED. >> WE CANNOT JUST BE CONCERNED 17:29 ABOUT THE SALVATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE MEET. 17:32 THAT'S NUMBER ONE. AND I WILL NEVER REMOVE THAT 17:36 FROM NUMBER ONE. I WANT YOU TO BE SAVED BUT THERE 17:39 ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE IN THE WAY OF YOU EVEN BEGINNING TO 17:42 LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TO ACCEPT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. 17:48 AND UNLESS I'M WILLING TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS, THEN HOW AM I 17:53 GOING TO GET THE WORD OF GOD THROUGH TO YOU IF YOU CAN'T SEE 17:58 THE LOVE OF GOD? >> WE ALL NEED SOMETHING MORE 18:02 THAN JUST TO BE PREACHED AT. WE NEED TO KNOW -- IT NEEDS TO 18:06 BE THAT ONE ON ONE CONNECTION AND I KNOW THAT -- I WISH SHEREE 18:13 WERE HERE TONIGHT AND SHE WISHES SHE WERE HERE. SHE WOULD BE 18:18 BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS. HER PROGRAM IN CELEBRATING LIFE 18:22 IN RECOVERY IS GOING OUT INTO MANY CHURCHES NOW AND WE HAVE A 18:27 COUPLE AT HOUR CHURCH WHO ARE GIVING THIS AND THEY'RE 18:31 HAVING -- RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START A NEW 18:35 CELEBRATING LIFE IN RECOVERY SERIES AND THEY'RE REALLY 18:40 GETTING EXCELLENT RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE 18:42 FINDING OR THE WORD IS GETTING OUT, THIS IS A SAFE PLACE TO GO 18:47 AND TALK ABOUT MY ADDICTION AND TO GO AND FIND HEALING AND IT IS 18:53 THE METHOD OF JESUS. IT'S THAT GETTING TO KNOW ONE 18:59 ANOTHER, ESTABLISHING THE FELLOWSHIP, THE BOND AND 19:03 BEGINNING TO TEACH THEM. ABSOLUTELY. 19:05 >> WE NEED TO HAVE THAT. WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE 19:10 WILLING TO BE REAL. AND I THINK IT BEGINS 0 YOU ARE 19:15 LEADERS. I THINK IT BEGINS WITH YOU AND 19:17 WITH MOE. IT'S NOT FOR SOMEONE OFF THE 19:22 STREET WHO GOT BAPTIZED AND LET ME TELL YOU MY STORY. YES, THEY 19:26 NEED TO DO THAT. BUT WE OUT THERE, WE NEED TO BE 19:30 REAL ABOUT PEOPLE. WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW I'M 19:33 GOING THROUGH A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME TONIGHT AND I'M ASKING YOU 19:36 TO BE PRAYING FOR ME AS I'M DOING THIS PROGRAM. 19:41 THE FIRST TIME WHEN I PREACHED AS A WOMEN'S MINISTRY LEADER, 19:45 THIS WAS BACK IN TRINIDAD IN 1996. 19:47 I HAD JUST TAKEN THE POSITION AS WOMEN AND CHILDREN'S MINISTRIES 19:59 LEADER. I SPENT WEEKS -- I CANNOT TELL 20:02 YOU HOW MANY WEEKS I SPENT PREPARING THIS MESSAGE. 20:08 I WAS IN ALL MY HUSBAND'S THEOLOGICAL BOOKS ALL OVER THE 20:12 DESKS AND ASKING HIM QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANTED THE SERMON TO 20:15 BE DEEP AND POWERFUL. I STOOD UP TO THAT SABBATH DAY 20:22 TO PREACH IN ALMOST 400 WOMEN AND I'M GOING INTO IT THE HOLY 20:27 SPIRIT STARTED SAYING TO ME, YOU'RE PREACHING THE WRONG 20:30 MESSAGE AND I'M THING THIS VOICE -- YOU'RE PREACHING THE 20:34 WRONG MESSAGE. YOU NEED TO STOP. 20:39 I'M GOING THROUGH THESE NOTES BUT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN 20:43 MY HEAD. I'M SAYING, THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE 20:46 TELLING ME. I'M SAYING, WEEKS OF RESEARCH 20:47 WENT INTO THIS. >> YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T -- 20:51 >> I WAS DEEP IN THIS STUFF. I HAD TO MAKE A GOOD FIRST 20:56 IMPRESSION. UNION WOMEN'S MINISTRY. 20:58 I WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH MY POSITION THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 21:01 AND THEN I THOUGHT, OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO STOP BUT WHAT AM I 21:05 GOING TO SAY? AND ALL THE LORD SAID TO ME WAS, 21:08 TELL THEM WHAT I HAVE DONE. AND SO I STOPPED PREACHING AND I 21:15 PAUSED AND I SHARED WITH THEM. I SAID THE LORD IS TELLING ME I 21:19 NEED -- THAT THIS MESSAGE IS THE WRONG ONE AND I NEED TO SHARE 21:24 WITH YOU WHAT GOD HAS BEEN DOING IN MY LIFE AND I BEGAN TO SHARE 21:30 AND ONE WOMAN STARTED TO CRY AND ANOTHER ONE STARTED TO CRY AND 21:34 ANOTHER AND ANOTHER. AND I THOUGHT MY MESSAGE WASN'T 21:38 TO GET THEM TO BOO HOO LIKE THIS, BUT IT WASN'T. 21:46 WE WENT INTO PRAYER SESSION IN SMALL GROUPS THAT WENT ALMOST 21:51 THREE HOURS LONG. AND WOMEN SHARED AND MINISTERED 21:55 TO THE NEEDS. I THOUGHT, FROM THAT MOMENT I 22:01 THOUGHT, WOW, THAT'S GOOD. I COULD SHARE EVERYTHING GOOD 22:04 FROM THE WORD OF GOD. BUT UNLESS I CAN APPLY IT TO 22:06 MYSELF AND UNLESS I CAN SAY WHAT THIS WORD OF GOD HAS DONE IN MY 22:12 LIFE, HOW I HAVE COME TO THE POINT IN MY LIFE WHERE I HAVE 22:23 SEEN AND UNTIL I COULD GET THIS IT'S JUST WORDS. 22:27 >> LET ME MINISTER TO SOMEONE RIGHT NOW. 22:31 I LOST MY WIFE FOUR MONTHS AGO AND I CANNOT BEAR TO BE AT HOME 22:35 AROUND THE HOUSE AND I CANNOT SLEEP AT NIGHT. 22:39 DO YOU HAVE ANY TIPS FOR ME? HOW CAN I HANDLE THIS? 22:44 >> ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WOULD SAY TO THAT PERSON, IF 22:46 THEY COULD GET INTO A GRIEF COUNSELING GROUP THAT WOULD BE 22:49 VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK WELL, 22:52 GRIEF THERAPY -- BUT BEING AROUND PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND 22:58 WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH IS SO HEALING AND HELPFUL IF YOU CAN'T 23:05 GET INTO THAT GROUP MAYBE THERE ISN'T ONE IN YOUR AREA, NEXT 23:07 THING I WOULD SAY SEE A COUNSELOR. 23:10 SEE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THE 23:15 STEPS WHICH YOU'LL GO THROUGH AND WHO IS GOING TO WALK THE 23:18 ROAD WITH YOU. BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU 23:21 CAN DO ON YOUR OWN. LOSING A SPOUSE IS -- I MEAN, I 23:26 CANNOT JUST EVEN THINK OF THE KIND OF GRIEF THAT WOULD BE 23:29 SPHREURB IF YOU'VE BEEN MARRIED TO THIS PERSON FOR SO MANY 23:33 YEARS. AND BEING IN THE HOME AND 23:34 WHEREVER YOU LOOK THERE ARE MEMORIES AND MEMORIES. 23:36 YOU NEED THAT KIND OF HELP. BUT ONE THING I WILL SAY THAT I 23:40 KNOW HAS HELPED SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH THAT, SHE WENT INTO 23:43 GRIEF COUNSELING AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE WAS ADVISED WAS 23:47 BEGIN A JOURNAL AND BEGIN TO WRITE MEMORIES OF GOOD MEMORIES 23:52 OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. 23:57 SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE AND HER CHILDREN WENT TO THIS 24:00 COUNSELLING AND THEY BOTH, ALL THREE OF THEM, BEGAN TO JOURNAL 24:04 EVERY DAY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, MEMORIES AND WHEN THEY COMPARED 24:07 IT THEY ALL HAD DIFFERENT MEMORIES OF THEIR FATHER WHO HAD 24:12 DIED AND THAT WAS SUCH A PRECIOUS THING FOR THEM. 24:27 >> SHE WANTS ME TO REPEAT THE TEXT THAT I HAD READ EARLIER AND 24:34 THAT ABOUT BEARING FRUIT IN THE OLD AGE AND BEING FRESH AND 24:38 FLOURISHING AND THAT IS PSALM 92 AND THAT IS VERSES 13 AND 14. 24:44 AND I LOVE THAT. YOU'RE GOTHAT WAS PSALM 92 AND 25:01 VERSE 14 AND 15. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH 25:04 MY EYES. BUT THIS BIG OLD HAIR OF MINE IS 25:06 PUTTING SHADOWS ON THERE. >> I HAD A RECENT TRAUMA. 25:12 I WAS GOING TO GIVE THE NAME. THE LADY -- I DON'T SEE HER 25:16 NAME. I HAD A RECENT TRAUMA AND I'VE 25:20 SUFFERED FROM CONSTANT TEARFULNESS FOR THE LAST FEW 25:23 MONTHS. MY COUNSELOR THERAPIST SUGGESTS 25:26 THAT I TRY TAKING AN ANTI-DEPRESSANT, HOW WILL I KNOW 25:31 WHICH ANTI-DESPRESENT IS RIGHT FOR ME? 25:33 >> WELL, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY TO THEM, LET THEIR DOCTOR 25:37 OR THE COUNSELOR RECOMMEND A PSYCHIATRIST TO GO TO BECAUSE 25:42 IT'S BEST TO GET THAT FIRST MEDICATION FROM SOMEONE WHO IS 25:53 C QUALIFIED IN THE AREA. 25:54 >> IN A SUPERVISED MANNER. >> I'VE KNOWN DOCTORS, LET'S 26:02 SAY, REGULAR MEDICAL DOCTORS WHO WILL TRY TO PRESCRIBE. 26:06 BUT THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THESE 26:10 DRUGS AND WHO COULD LOOK AT YOUR FIPHYS 26:18 PHYSICAL RECORD AND DECIDE LET'S TRY THIS ONE FIRST AND CHANGE 26:23 ACCORDING TO BASE ON WHAT RESULTS YOU SHARE WITH THEM. 26:28 SEE A PSYCHIATRIST AND HAVE YOUR DOCTOR OR YOUR COUNSELOR 26:32 RECOMMEND A GOOD PSYCHIATRIST. ONCE YOU'VE GOTTEN ON THE 26:35 MEDICATION AND IS WORKING FOR YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP 26:39 SEEING YOUR PSYCHIATRIST. YOU CAN THEN MOVE ON TO YOUR 26:42 COUNSELOR OR THERAPIST. >> SHE HAS ANOTHER QUESTION. 26:46 AND THAT IS WILL I HAVE TO BE ON THIS MEDICINE FOR THE REST OF MY 26:53 LIFE? >> WELL, IT IS A BIG CONCERN. 26:56 I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS 27:02 SINCE 1998 AND THIS IS 2016 AND I'M STILL ON MY ANTI-DESPRESENT. 27:08 AND I HAVE TRIED TO STOP. I'VE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES IN 27:12 MY HEALTH. I HAVE TRIED TO STOP AND IT HAS 27:15 NOT BEEN GOOD. MY DOCTOR I SAID CAN WE REDUCE 27:19 MY DOSE AND BY THE TIME WE GOT TO ABOUT HALF OF WHAT I WAS 27:23 TAKING, I WENT OVER THE DEEP EDGE INTO BAD DEPRESSION. 27:27 SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO, BUT THINK ABOUT T THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE 27:31 WHO TAKE MEDICATION EVERY DAY FOR HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FOR 27:36 CHOLESTEROL FOR THYROID. YOU GOT TO TAKE IT FOR THE REST 27:41 OF YOUR LIFE. DON'T BE AFRAID OF MEDICATION. 27:43 YES, THERE ARE MEDICATIONS THAT HAVE TERRIBLE SIDE EFFECTS AND 27:46 WE KNOW THAT. BUT MY THING IS, QUALITY OF 27:50 LIFE. IF I'M GOING TO HAVE A BETTER 27:53 QUALITY OF LIFE ON THIS MEDICATION I'LL NOT GOING TO BE 27:58 THINKING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS AND END LIFE AND ALL THIS SORT OF 28:02 STUFF, BUT I CAN HAVE A BETTER QUALITY THEN YOU GOT TO WEIGH 28:05 THAT AND ASK YOURSELF WHICH ONE DO I WANT&AND QUALITY OF LIFE 28:10 WINS OUT EVERY TIME. >> 28:14 >> I WENT TO MY DOCTOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK AND -- I ACTUALLY 28:20 HAD GOTTEN TO EDEN VALLEY AND THEY TOLD ME I HAD 28:27 HYPOTHYROIDISM AND I CAME BACK TO MY DOCTOR AND I SAID CAN YOU 28:30 SEND ME TO AN ENDOCHRON OLOGIST. HE SAID I CAN PRESCRIBE IT. 28:36 I SAID NO. I WANT TO SEE AN END DOUGH 28:42 CHRON OLOGIST WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS. 28:46 SO MY DOCTOR SAID, LET ME DO THE BLOOD WORK AT LEAST. 28:50 I SAID YOU CAN DO THE BLOOD WORK. 28:52 I WENT TO SEE -- HE RECOMMENDED ME TO AN END CHRON OLOGIST. 28:57 WHEN I WENT TO SEE THIS END DOUGH RCHRON OLOGIST, HE SAID TO 29:09 ME, MY HAIR IS FALLING OUT AND MY EYES ARE PUFFY AND EVERYTHING 29:15 IS GOING ON AND I SAID, I'M NOT DEPRESSED. 29:19 I'M NOT WEEPY, BUT I SAID I'M NOT MOTIVATED. 29:23 I SAID I WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO DO EVERYTHING. 29:26 I'M STILL A VERY PRODUCTIVE PERSON BECAUSE MY LIFE IS SO 29:32 TIGHTLY SCHEDULED BUT IT WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I KNEW THAT 29:37 I WAS PREACHING ON SABBATH AND I HAD TO FLY OUT ON FRIDAY, 29:42 THURSDAY NIGHT I'D BE THINKING, I STILL GOT TOMORROW TO PREPARE 29:45 A SERMON. NOW THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE BECAUSE 29:48 YOU THINK AND PRAISE THE LORD HE'S ALWAYS WITH ME TO DO THAT, 29:53 I TOLD THE DOCTOR, IF YOU -- HE SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT 29:58 MOTIVATED. I SAID, IF WE AWERE SITTING IN A 30:02 ROOM FULL OF GASOLINE CANS YOU AND LIT A MATCH I'D BE THINKING 30:06 THERE, THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS BUT I WOULDN'T MOVE UNTIL YOU 30:11 DROPPED IT. SO, SOMETIMES THERE ARE PHYSICAL 30:18 CONDITIONS THAT CAN CREATE DEPRESSION AND LACK OF 30:27 MOTIV MOTIVATION, THAT'S PROBABLY A 30:28 FORM OF DEPRESSION. I HADN'T GOTTEN ALL THE WAY DOWN 30:31 YET. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN GET ON 30:35 ANTI-DEPRESSANTS AND WORK THEIR WAY OUT JUST LIKE PEOPLE WHO MAY 30:38 START ON INSULIN AND CAN BY LIFESTYLE CHANGES THAT THEY CAN 30:44 WORK THEIR WAY OFF OF THAT PERHAPS. 30:51 BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SO VALID. 30:54 DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME YOU STAY ON IT BUT QUALITY 30:59 OF LIFE. THIS LADY HER NAME IS DELLMA AND 31:07 SHE'S A WOMAN'S MINISTRY LEADER IN HER CHURCH. 31:11 HOW DOES SHE PERSUADE THE CHURCH BOARD TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES 31:15 THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING? >> SHE'S GOT TO GET OTHER PEOPLE 31:23 ON HER SIDE. EVEN THOUGH AS A DEPARTMENT AND 31:25 AS A CHURCH, WE PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THINGS LIKE ABUSE 31:32 AND FROM OUR DEPARTMENT WE CREATE A SERMON AND SEMINAR 31:37 EVERY YEAR FOR THIS, THERE ARE MANY CHURCHES THAT DO NOT DO IT. 31:45 MAYBE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH LEADERSHIP THAT IN THEIR OWN 31:50 HOME ARE HAVING PROBLEMS OF ABUSE OR MAYBE PROBLEMS IN THE 31:55 CHURCH WHO SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS. 31:59 IT'S GOING TO BRING UP A LOT OF PAIN. 32:02 UNLESS WE START EDUCATING OURSELVES WE WON'T BE ABLE TO 32:06 HELP PEOPLE. HOW DO I REACH OUT TO SOMEONE 32:09 WHO IS IN AN ABUSIVE SITUATION? IF I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT 32:14 THAT SITUATION AND DEAL WITH THAT. 32:26 IT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH WHO ARE ALSO INTERESTED 32:29 IN SPEAKING ABOUT THEISH SKPAOU HAVING THE CHURCH START OFF WITH 32:34 A HALF DAY SEMINAR. BRING SOMEONE IN. 32:36 THEN GET TOGETHER AND CONFRONT THE PASTOR. 32:41 SAY, PASTOR, WE WOMEN WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN OUR 32:44 CHURCH. THERE IS A NEED AND ALSO FIND 32:45 OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHERE THIS ISSUE IS 33:04 CONCERNED. >> WE HAD A YOUNG LADY WHO CAME 33:06 INTO OUR CHURCH JUST RECENTLY WHO THE THINGS THAT GOD WAS -- 33:48 THE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY RED FLAGS BUT WHERE GOD WAS TUGGING 33:53 AT MY HEART IT WAS LIKE I SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT WOMAN. 33:56 I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S AN ABUSE. 33:58 IF WE DON'T GET TRAINED, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE MINISTERED WITH 34:03 SHEREE AND SHEREE I PROMISE YOU WE COULD BE SITTING ON A STAGE 34:07 AND SHE'S LOOKING OUT AT SOMEBODY AND SHE SAYS TO ME, 34:12 THAT'S A DRUG ADDICT AND THIS ONE IS A HOMOSEXUAL AND I SAY 34:17 HOW DO YOU YOU KNOW BY JUST LOOKING. 34:19 IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN EDUCATED AND EXPERIENCE AND 34:21 YOU'RE TRAINED TO RECOGNIZE THESE PEOPLE SO THAT YOU CAN 34:24 REACH OUT AND HELP THEM. >> EVEN THOUGH I AGREE THAT 34:28 THAT'S A LARGE PART OF IT KNOWING AND BEING TRAINED 34:32 ESPECIALLY IN WHAT TO SAY AND WHATNOT TO SAY BECAUSE MANY 34:34 TIMES WE SAY THE WRONG THING AND THAT'S WHERE TRAINING COMES IN, 34:39 BUT I'VE DISCOVERED AS I HAVE BECOME PASSIONATE ABOUT WOMEN'S 34:46 PAIN, THE PAIN THAT WOMEN DEAL WITH, IT'S LIKE LITTLE RED FLAGS 34:50 GO OFF WHEN I SEE PEOPLE. I'LL BE IN AN AIRPORT AND A 34:53 PLANE AND I LOOK ACROSS AND I SEE A WOMAN -- 34:58 >> SHE'S A FRIEND. >> BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S AS 35:04 THOUGH -- WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY IT'S AS THOUGH, BECAUSE I 35:09 BELIEVE GOD CREATES AN AWARENESS WITHIN YOU. 35:12 THE GIFT OF DISCERNMENT AND THAT'S SOMETHING I PRAY FOR, 35:17 LORD, HELP ME DISCERN WHEN A WOMAN IS IN PAIN. 35:21 THAT'S SOMEONE THAT ANYONE CAN DO. 35:22 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT -- WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL 35:26 TYPE OF PAIN. LET'S TALK ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES. 35:33 YOU KNOW SPHOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TODAY, I WAS TYPING ALL THE 35:36 PRAYER REQUESTS THAT GO ON THE AIR, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE 35:40 PRAYING JUST PERSONALLY PRAYING FOR FIVE PEOPLE, FRIENDS, PEOPLE 35:45 IN MINISTRY, WHO HAVE STAGE FOUR CANCER. 35:50 AND I'M THINKING OF CHARLES LAWSON WITH WHITE HORSE MINISTRY 35:55 AND GALE TUCKER AND THINKING OF MOLLIE SUE RIGHT NEXT TO ME. 36:02 THE PASTOR'S WIFE AND CHERYL RIGHT HERE AND AS I'M WORKING ON 36:12 THESE PRAYER REQUESTS I'M THINKING, STAGE FOUR CANCER. 36:16 STAGE FOUR CANCER. STAGE FOUR CANCER. 36:18 IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYWHERE WE TURN THERE'S STAGE FOUR CANCER. 36:24 WHAT OTHER THINGS DO YOU SAY THAT WOMEN ARE HAVING A LOT OF 36:27 PROBLEMS WITH HEALTH ISSUES? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? 36:32 >> I SEE THINGS LIKE STRESS WHICH HAS BROUGHT ON PHYSICAL 36:35 PROBLEMS IN THEIR LIVES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MANAGING THEIR 36:38 STRESS WELL. OR BECAUSE THEIR WORK LOAD IS 36:41 SUCH THAT THEY'RE CONSTANTLY ON THE MOVE AND WHEN EVERYBODY IS 36:45 SLEEPING THEY'RE STILL ON THE MOVE. 36:46 I SEE THINGS LIKE HEART PROBLEMS THAT IS A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR 36:52 WOMEN GLOBALLY. CANCER AND BREAST CANCER, 37:02 UTERINE CANCER AND SO MANY AREAS. 37:04 ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I'M SEEING AND I BELIEVE IN MANY 37:10 CASES IT'S UNDIAGNOSED WOMEN DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE 37:16 FIBROMIAL GENTLEMAN AND CHRONIC FATIGUE. 37:17 I'M AWARE OF WHAT THOSE SYMPTOMS ARE LIKE AND I DON'T DIAGNOSIS 37:21 ANYONE BECAUSE I'M NOT A DOCTOR, BUT WHEN A WOMAN STARTS SHARING 37:23 WITH ME SOME OF THOSE SYMPTOMS THAT I'VE KNOWN OR I KNOW I SAY 37:28 TO HER, YOU NEED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOUR DOCTOR, YOU NEED TO 37:33 KNOW THIS IS HOW YOU'RE FEELING, THE PAIN AND THE JOINTS AND THE 37:37 TIREDNESS AND THE DEPRESSION AND LACK OF MOTIVATION. 37:40 YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP US WITH THIS. 37:43 BECAUSE WOMEN -- EVEN THOUGH NOBODY TELLS US TO IGNORE 37:48 OURSELVES WE DO. >> OH, YES. 37:49 >> MY MOTHER NEVER TOLD ME IN WORDS WHEN YOU ARE A WIFE IGNORE 37:56 YOURSELF AND ONLY LOOK AFTER YOUR HUSBAND AND CHILDREN OF THE 38:00 BUT SHE TOLD ME IN ACTIONS AND I WENT INTO MY MARRIAGE AND I 38:05 ACTED OUT THE SAME THING I HAD SEEN IN MY HOME. 38:08 AND I SEE IT WITH WOMEN EVERYWHERE. 38:11 I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS GETTING MY WEDDING DAY AND AN ELDERLY LADY 38:19 OR AUNT OR DISTANT COUSIN, SHE WAS REALLY OLD AND SHE WAS AT 38:24 THE RECEPTION AND SHE SAID, COME SIT DOWN HERE AND I SAT NEXT TO 38:30 HER. AND SHE SAID TO ME, REMEMBER IN 38:35 EVERY MARRIAGE SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE THE DONKEY. 38:41 AND THAT'S NOT THE WORD SHE USED. 38:43 I'M USING THE CHRISTIAN WORD AND I LOOKED AT HER AND I THOUGHT, 38:47 WHAT? I MEAN, I'M IN MY WEDDING DRESS 38:50 AND EVERYTHING. JUST SITTING NEXT TO -- SHE MUST 38:54 HAVE BEEN IN HER LATE 80S OR 90S. 38:59 SHE SAID, IN EVERY MARRIAGE SOMEONE'S GOT TO BE THE DONKEY 39:05 AND IT'S GOT TO BE YOU. I THOUGHT SHE WAS SENILE, 39:10 WHATEVER. YOU KNOW WHAT, FIVE YEARS AND 39:12 TWO CHILDREN LATER, I WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND I HAD GROWN 39:15 DONKEY EARS AND DONKEY TAIL. HERE I WAS LIVING EXACTLY -- I 39:21 THOUGHT, SHE SAID THIS. WOMEN NATURALLY TAKE ON MORE OF 39:26 THE WORK IN SOCIETY THAN MEN DO. I'M NOT SAYING MEN DON'T WORK. 39:30 BUT WE DESIGN EVERYTHING. AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE TO 39:34 BE IN EVERYTHING, BUT WE JUST -- WE'RE SO WILLING TO HELP AND 39:38 KEEP THE HOUSE CLEANED AND COOK THE BEST MEALS AND OUR CHILDREN 39:41 HAVE TO BE THE PRETTIEST AND I'VE GOT TO HELP THIS ONE AND 39:45 THAT ONE AND GET THERE AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S FIXED. 39:48 >> AND WE WORK OURSELVES -- >> AND WORK 40 HOURS A WEEK AND 40:02 COOK THE BACON IN THE SKILLET. >> AND WORK LOAD WHICH IS ONE OF 40:05 THE ISSUES WE DEAL IT, WOMEN'S WORK LOAD IS CONNECTED TO THE 40:10 HEALTH PROBLEM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THESE SIX ISSUES WHICH WE 40:14 STARTED OFF WITH, THEY'RE ALL INTERCONNECTED. 40:17 BECAUSE IF I CAN'T READ MY HEALTH WILL BE EFFECTED. 40:23 I NEED SOMETHING FOR MY CHILD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND I'VE 40:27 NO IDEA WHAT TO ASK FOR AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ONMENT 40:30 POVERTY TIES INTO IT. WOMEN'S WORK LOAD TIES INTO MY 40:34 HEALTH, TIES INTO POVERTY BECAUSE MANY TIMES I WORK SO 40:37 MUCH THAT I END UP HAVING A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN BUT NOW I 40:40 CAN'T WORK AND THE FAMILY NEEDS TWO INCOMES BUT NOW I CAN'T 40:45 BECAUSE I'M ON DISABILITY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. 40:47 THERE ARE ALL THESE ISSUES AND SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO 40:56 HELP OUR SISTERS IDENTIFY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR LIVES. 41:01 I SAY, PUT UP FIVE FINGERS. LITTLE FINGER IS NUMBER FIVE AND 41:07 THUMB IS NUMBER ONE. IF GOD IS NUMBER ONE IN YOUR 41:10 LIFE WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT? I HAVE THE LADIES LIKE THIS. 41:14 I DO ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND I SEE THEM THINKING. 41:19 I SAID, OKAY, TELL ME ARE YOU ON THE HAND? 41:25 HOW MANY OF YOU ARE NOT ON THE HAND AND YOU'LL SEE HOW MANY 41:27 HANDS GO UP. IT'S GOD, HUSBAND AND CHILDREN 41:32 AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS AND CHURCH AND IT'S -- AND THEY'RE 41:35 NOT EVEN THERE. I SAY TO MY LADIES. 41:38 I SAID O-BEEN OKAY, LET'S RESTRUCTURE THIS. 41:44 GOD, YOU. I LOVE THAT OLD HYMN THAT SAYS 41:49 NOTHING BETWEEN MY LORD AND MY SAVIOR. 41:51 NOT HUSBAND, NOT CHILDREN NOT ANYBODY. 41:54 GOD AND ME. AND WHEN I PUT MYSELF IN THAT 41:58 POSITION, WHICH MANY PEOPLE SAY, THAT'S SO SELFISH PUTTING 42:01 YOURSELF BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE. BUT WHEN I LOOK AFTER ME, 42:04 EVERYBODY ELSE IS HAPPY. I'M NOT SO STRESSED. 42:10 I'M SO MISERABLE AND IRRITABLE AND ANGRY AND SICK ALL THE TIME 42:15 AND I'M ABLE TO SHARE THAT JOYCE AND SUNSHINE WITH MY FAMILY AND 42:19 WITH MY FRIENDS AND WHEREVER I AM. 42:21 SO WE ARE TRYING TO HELP OUR WOMEN RETHINK AND RESTRUCTURE 42:27 THE WAY THEY THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR LIFE. 42:35 >> THAT REALLY SOUNDS FOREIGN TO ME. 42:39 >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. >> WE'VE GOT TO LIVE IT. 42:42 BUT IT'S AMAZING WHEN I SEE THE EXPRESSION ON WOMEN'S FACES. 42:47 >> LIKE MINE. >> WHETHER IT'S IN AFRICA OR 42:51 ASIA OR EUROPE, AUSTRALIA, DOESN'T MATTER. 42:54 I'M NOT ON THE HAND. SO, HOW -- WHO IS LOOKING AFTER 43:01 YOU? IT'S TRUE. I'M SURE YOU HEAR 43:03 THIS AND YOU PROBABLY HEAR THIS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TELLING 43:09 ME, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF OF YOURSELF AND GIVE TIME TO TAKE 43:13 CARE OF YOURSELF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MINISTER 43:16 ANYMORE. I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE. 43:18 I'S JUST LIKE I SAID, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT WHAT YOU 43:23 JUST SAID. >> I NEVER THE OF PUTTING MYSELF 43:27 THERE. WOULD YOU? 43:28 >> NOTHING'S BETWEEN ME AND GOD, THAT'S RIGHT. 43:31 >> AS FAR AS PRIORITIES IN YOUR LIFE, DO YOU PUT YOURSELF 43:35 SECOND? >> NO. 43:36 YOU DON'T. YOU GO GOD, HOUSE, JEREMY 3ABN. 43:52 >> BUT WE GOT TO RETHINK IT BECAUSE THESE THINGS EFFECT OUR 43:58 LIVES. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PAIN IN 43:59 OURSELVES IF ONLY WE TAKE A MOMENT AND STOP. 44:05 YOU KNOW, THIS SABBATH I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SPRING OF LIFE 44:11 AND IT'S SPRING AGAIN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WINTER OF LIFE. 44:15 YOU THINK OF WINTER OF BEING TRIALS BUT IT'S NOT. 44:19 IT MAYBE DIFFICULT EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT IT CAN BE A 44:23 GOOD TIME BECAUSE IT'S A TIME FOR YOU TO STOP AND RETHINK AND 44:27 FOR GOD TO PLUCK AWAY STRESS WE DON'T NEED IN OUR LIVES. 44:30 IT'S A TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT OUR GOALS AND OUR PRIORITIES. 44:34 IT'S A GOOD TIME AS WELL AS A ROUGH TIME. 44:37 SO WHEN THE SPRING DOES COME. WE'RE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE WE 44:41 WERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WINTERTIME. 44:43 >> THAT'S GOOD. >> SO, YES, IT TAKES A SHIFT BUT 44:46 THE THING IS, AS I THINK OF IT FOR ME, THIS APPLIES TO ALL THE 44:51 WOMEN THAT I NEED WHETHER IN THE CHURCH OR OUT OF THE CHURCH, 44:54 THEY'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME THING. 44:57 >> YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU STATED TONIGHT ON LIVE 45:04 TELEVISION THAT YOU SCREAMED AT GOD. 45:08 I HAD -- AND I THINK THAT I'M SAYING THIS SO THAT -- PLEASE, 45:14 DON'T TAKE ME WRONG. IT IS ABOUT BEING REAL WITH GOD. 45:21 GOD KNOWS WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART AND IT'S GOOD TO GET IT OUT. 45:25 THAT'S HOW WHEN YOU START POUR OUT TO GOD HE CAN POUR IN. 45:30 I WAS GIVEN A BAD TEACHING ON FAITH. 45:32 I HAD FAITH WAS THE OBJECT OF MY FAITH. 45:35 YOU JUST HAD FAITH ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD -- GOD HAD TO DO WHAT 45:41 HIS WORD SAID. AND WHEN MY MOTHER WAS HAVING A 45:45 BREAKDOWN AND SHE WAS BIPOLAR AND MOUNTAIN MIDST OF THIS, I 45:51 WAS CONVINCED THAT GOD WAS GOING TO HEAL MY MOTHER AND I'M 45:56 CLAIMING THOSE PROMISES AND I'M WORKING IT. 46:01 AND HE DIDN'T. AND IT ENDED UP OF COURSE SHE 46:04 WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL. SHE GOT BACK ON MEDICATION. 46:07 SHE WAS FINE. BUT IT WAS SO TRAU MATTIC IN 46:14 BETWEEN. 46:16 I WAS SO UPSET WITH GOD. THIS IS MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY 46:21 YEARS AGO. I WAS IN MY 20S THAT I SHOOK MY 46:27 FIST IN HIS FACE AND SAID, YOU DON'T KEEP YOUR WORD AND I 46:30 WALKED AWAY FROM THE LORD. FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. 46:35 I MEAN, I JUST TURNED MY BACK AND SAID, FORGET IT. 46:39 AND HE CHASED ME DOWN. HE CHASED ME DOWN. 46:44 PRAY FOR THE LORD, HE NEVER GAVE UP ON ME. 46:48 >> I DISCOVERED I MAY RUN FROM HIM BUT HE'S ALREADY AT THE 46:53 DESTINATION WAITING FOR ME. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEALING 46:58 WITH LIFE'S PAINS AND THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE TO NIGHT YOU 47:02 MAY BE FEELING YOU'RE SO MAD AT GOD AND YOU'RE AFRAID TO ADMIT 47:09 IT. WE HAD A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO CALLED 47:10 AND TALKED WITH MY HUSBAND AND BLESS HER HEART SHE WAS MAD AT 47:14 GOD AND SHE JUST -- IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS SHE DIDN'T KNOW 47:18 WHO TO TELL SO SHE CALLED THE PRAYER LINE AND SHE WORKED IT 47:22 OUT. BUT IT'S OKAY TO BE REAL WITH 47:25 GOD. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL THE 47:27 TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME MORE. >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT 20 YEARS 47:33 AGO NOW HELEN AND I WENT THROUGH ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PHASES 47:39 OF OUR WHOLE LIFE. I LOST EVERYTHING AND IN THE 47:44 MIDST OF THAT I HAD CANCER. A 47:51 BUT IT WAS IN THAT TIME -- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PAIN. 47:54 PAINFUL TIMES THAT WE GO THROUGH. 47:59 YOU GO THROUGH THAT FURNACE BUT THAT'S THE SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT 48:04 GOD FINDS YOU IN THE FURNACE AND IT'S WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT -- AND 48:10 HELEN AND I BOTH SAID THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE 48:14 WENT TRUE EVER AGAIN THOSE HARD TIMES, THOSE PAINFUL TIMES WHERE 48:17 YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU AND HAVE TO START OVER. 48:20 YOU HAVE TO REINVENT YOURSELF AT 45 YEARS OLD. 48:23 I HAVE TO REINVENT WHO YOU ARE AND COME TO A WHOLE OTHER 48:32 IDENTIFYING OF YOURSELF. BUT I WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT WE 48:34 WENT THROUGH FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT GOT 48:37 EFFECTED ON THE INSIDE OF US. SO, PAINFUL TIMES ARE HARD AND 48:43 NOBODY WANTS TO GO THROUGH THEM, BUT USE THEM TO GIVE YOURSELF TO 48:48 GOD TO ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT WORK WITHIN YOU BECAUSE YOU'LL GET TO 48:55 THE OTHER SIDE. WE PARTICULARLY AS STRONG AND 49:00 GODLY WOMEN WE CAN MAKE THESE STATEMENTS LIKE, IF YOU FAINT IN 49:03 THE DAY OF ADVERSITY YOUR STRENGTH IS SMALL. 49:08 IF YOU FEIGN IN THE DAY OF ADVERSITY YOUR STRENGTH IS 49:12 SMALL. I WROTE BY THAT SCRIPTURE IN 49:15 1986 I WILL NEVER FAINT. BECAUSE I AM STRONG IN THE LORD 49:18 AND IN THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I WOULD OR 49:22 NOT. I HAD NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANY 49:24 ADVERSITY. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN'T SAY 49:26 THAT TODAY. GOD TAKES YOU THROUGH SOME 49:29 ADVERSITY SKPIT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THIS SIDE OF ADVERSITY 49:35 BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE ADVERSITY AND THE TESTIMONY YOU 49:38 HAVE WHEN YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE. 49:46 WE'RE TO BE CON FORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST. 49:49 >> YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DIDN'T FEEL THAT GOD LOVED 49:52 YOU AND I WAS -- I EXPERIENCED MUCH OF THE SAME THING WE WAS 49:56 GOING THROUGH THAT, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WATCHING 49:59 TONIGHT WHO ARE SAYING I DON'T BUY THIS WHOLE PICTURE OF A 50:03 LOVING GOD AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE HE LOVES ME OR GOD CAN'T 50:08 IDENTIFY ME. I'VE BEEN RAPED OR SEXUALLY 50:11 ABUSED OR THIS OR THAT. I WANT TO READ TWO SCRIPTURES TO 50:14 YOU BECAUSE IT IS -- THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT JESUS. 50:19 IN HEBREWS 217 AND 18. THEREFORE IT ALL THINGS HE HAD 50:25 TO BE MADE LIKE HIS BRETHREN AND THAT HE MIGHT BE A MERCIFUL HIGH 50:34 PRIEST FOR IN THAT HE HIMSELF HAS SUFFERED BEING TEMPTED IS 50:41 ABLE TO AID THOSE WHO ARE TEMPTED. 50:44 THEN IN HEBREWS 4, 14 AND 16 C 50:48 CARRYING ON THE SAME THOUGHT. SEEING THAT WE HAVE A GREAT HIGH 50:51 PRIEST WHO HAS PASSED THROUGH THE HEAVENS JESUS, THE SON OF 50:56 GOD, LET US HOLD FAST OUR CONFESSION FOR WE DO NOT HAVE A 51:00 HIGH PRIEST WHO CANNOT SYMPATHIZE WITH OUR WEAKNESSES 51:05 BUT AT ALL POINTS TEMPTED AS WE ARE. 51:12 THEREFORE LET US COME FULLY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE THAT WE MAY 51:16 FIND GRACE TO HELP IN TIME OF NEED. 51:22 CHRIST WASN'T JUST CRUCIFIED FOR US. 51:25 HE SUFFERED IN THE GARDEN AND WENT THROUGH TRIALS WHERE PEOPLE 51:31 WERE LYING -- NOW, HE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SAYING WE'RE 51:37 GETTING THE JESUS TREATMENT HERE. BUT PEOPLE -- HE WENT 51:42 THROUGH EVERY POSSIBLE THING THAT COULD YOU THINK OF AND YOU 51:45 THINK ABOUT TEMPTATION. IF WE'RE EVER TEMPTED TO COME 51:48 OFF THE WALL AND TRY TO FIGHT THE BATTLE FOR OUR SELF THINK 51:56 ABOUT HOW TEMPTED JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN. 51:58 IF SOMEBODY WAS LYING ABOUT HIM ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TURN AND 52:01 LOOK AT HIM AND GIVE HIM A NOD AND FIRE FROM HEAVEN COULD HAVE 52:06 COME DOWN AND ELIMINATE HIM. HIS TEMPTATION WAS SO MUCH 52:10 GREATER THAN OURS, BUT THEN HE WAS PHYSICALLY ABUSED. 52:14 HE WAS BEATEN SO THE POINT I'M MAKING, HE KNOWS EVERY SINGLE 52:20 PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE EVER BEEN THROUGH, CHRIST IDENTIFIES WITH 52:24 THAT. AND HE UNDERSTANDS. 52:26 HE IS A SYMPATHETIC HIGH PRIEST. NOW, THE CONTROL ROOM, I KNOWO 52:31 YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING REAL QUICK. 52:32 BEFORE YOU DO, THE CONTROL ROOM JUST TOLD ME WE NEED TO TALK 52:37 ABOUT YOUR ADDRESS ROLE BECAUSE YOU MAY BE THINKING -- OH AND I 52:41 WANT TO SAY THIS TOO, THAT WOMEN'S MINISTRIES HAS SO MANY 52:48 WONDERFUL RESOURCES. SO WHEN WE COME -- TELL US 52:51 QUICKLY BEFORE WE GO 0 YOUR ADDRESS ROLE. 52:53 TELL US WHAT SOME OF THE RESOURCES ARE. 52:56 >> WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SIX ISSUES WE HAVE INFORMATION 53:01 FOR YOU ON EACH OF THE ISSUES. THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN CALL 53:04 OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL SEND IT TO YOU. 53:07 BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS INFORM WOMEN 53:11 AND EDUCATE OUR WOMEN. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY, HELP 53:14 SOMEONE WHO IS POOR. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 53:16 HOW DO I DEAL WITH THAT AND WHAT DO I SAY? 53:19 WE'VE GOT TRAINING RESOURCES AS WELL AS WE HAVE OTHER RESOURCES 53:24 THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH YOUR CHURCH TO CREATE AN AWARENESS OF 53:28 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE AREAS OF PAIN AND HURT THAT PEOPLE ARE 53:32 DEALING WITH AND WE KEEP CREATING MORE AND MORE EVERY 53:36 MONTH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL 53:37 THAT YOU CAN GET FROM US. >> YOU HAD THAT -- WHAT WAS 53:42 IT -- FEELING-- >> THINKING WELL AND LIVING 53:44 WELL. THAT'S ONE OF OUR NEWEST ONES, 53:47 YES. >> YOU'VE GOT SOME MORE ARE 53:49 GOING TO BE COMING OUT. >> WE'RE GOING TO PUT 53:55 HEATHER-DAWN'S ADDRESS UP. IF YOU LIKE TO GET IN TOUCH OR 54:00 PERHAPS HAVE HER COME TO YOUR CHURCH AND SPEAK. 54:02 THE ADDRESS IS WOMEN'S MINISTRIES GENERAL CONFERENCE, 54:12 12501 OLD COLUMBIA PIKE ROAD, SILVER SPRINGS, MARYLAND, 20904. 54:19 AND THE PHONE NUMBER IS 301-680-6608. 54:28 AND THE ADDRESS OR THE WEBSITE ADDRESS IS ADVENTISTWOMENS 54:37 MINISTRIES.ORG. T 54:40 SO YOU WANT TO BE SURE TO CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE FOR ALL THESE 54:45 WONDERFUL RESOURCES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND THEY HAVE THINGS 54:48 ON THERE YOU WERE EXPLAINING TO ME EARLIER WHERE PEOPLE -- IT'S 54:51 NOT JUST IF YOU CAN'T FIND A GROUP TO DO THIS WITH, YOU'VE 54:55 GOT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY PEOPLE CAN GO THROUGH ON YOUR OWN AT 54:59 HOME. >> SO EVEN IF YOUR CHURCH THERE 55:01 IS NO WOMEN'S MINISTRIES YOU CAN GET THE MATERIALS FROM THE 55:05 WEBSITE AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SEMINAR AND THE HAND 55:12 SKWROUTS ON YOUR OWN AND EDUCATE YOURSELF. 55:14 WHEN WOMEN ARE EDUCATED THESE AREAS, THEY'RE EMPOWERED TO DO 55:19 SOMETHING. >> AMEN. 55:21 WE'VE GOT A MINUTE LEFT. W 55:25 WE HAVE A FREE OFFER. IT'S KEEP AT YOUR WORK. 55:31 IT WAS ON HMS RICHARDS WALL. IT JUST ENCOURAGES US NOT TO 55:36 GIVE IN TO SATAN'S INFLUENCES IN OUR LIVES BUT TO STAY AT THE 55:40 WORK THAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO. 55:43 SO, GET THIS. FRAME IT. 55:45 PUT IT ON YOUR WALL AND READ IT EVERY TIME YOU GET DISCOURAGED. 55:49 IT WILL HELP YOU. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 55:57 618-627-4651 OR E-MAIL US AT F I 56:02 LOVE YOU MY SISTER. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I LIKE IS 56:06 BECAUSE WE'RE SISTERS. WE'RE FROM THE SAME FAMILY. 56:11 WE'RE BOTH SIX FEET TALL. >> ONE INCH SHY. 56:14 >> YOU'RE 5'11" AND I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN YOU. 56:18 BUT WE ARE SISTER. MOLLIE? 56:21 >> YES, WE ARE. >> MOLLIE, THEY USED TO THINK 56:24 MOLLIE WAS TALL UNTIL I GOT HERE. [LAUGHTER] 56:26 >> I WAS THE TALLEST ONE UNTIL SHE CAME ALONG. 56:31 >> WELL, OUR TIME HAS ALL GONE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FUN AND I 56:34 HOPE YOU HAVE ENJOYED THIS TIME WITH US AS WELL. 56:38 WE'RE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU HAVE SPENT SINCE 2005 AS 56:48 WOMEN'S MINISTRIES DIRECTOR AND JUST RE-ELECTED AGAIN. 56:50 SO WE EXPECT THE LORD IS GOING TO USE YOU AGAIN IN A MIGHTY 56:55 WAY. AND FOR MOLLIE AND ME AND FOR 56:57 EVERYONE AT 3ABN OUR PRAYER FOR YOU IS THAT THE GRACE OF OUR 57:02 LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF 57:09 THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE WITH YOU TONIGHT AND ALWAYS. |
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