MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ¤
¤ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE
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REMOVING PAIN ¤ ¤
LORD, LET MY WORDS HEAL A
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HEART THAT'S HURT ¤ ¤
I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE
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MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ¤
¤ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE,
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MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ¤
>> HELLO I'M SHELLEY QUINN.
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WE WELCOME YOU INTO 3ABN LIVE.
WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT
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DEALING WITH LIVE PAIN, BUT
WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT
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IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT BECAUSE WE
WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO TALK
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TO THOSE WHO ARE
DEALING WITH PAIN.
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MOLLIE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT
AND GENERAL MANAGER OF 3ABN.
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>> WE WELCOME EVERYONE OF YOU.
YOU LET US BRING OUR GUEST RIGHT
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INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM EVERY DAY.
>> SO YOU'RE PART OF OUR FAMILY
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AND WE'RE BRINGING YOU
ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR FAMILY.
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CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU MEET HER.
>> BEFORE I FORGET, I WANT TO
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
LOVE AND PRAYERS AND FINANCIAL
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SUPPORT OF TH3ABN.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT MENDING
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BROKEN PEOPLE TONIGHT.
LET ME INTRODUCE OUR SPECIAL
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GUEST. WE HAVE
HEATHER-DAWN SMALL WHO
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IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WOMEN'S
MENSTRYS OF THE 7TH ADVENTIST
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CHURCH. YOU'VE
BEEN HERE SINCE 2005.
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THAT'S A LONG TIME TO BE SERVING
AS WORLD DIRECTOR AND YOU GOT A
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LOT OF STORIES
TO TELL. >> OH, YES.
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THAT'S TRUE. >> IN
TALKING WITH YOU, THIS
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AFTERNOON AND IN THE PAST,
SOMETHING THAT JUST RADIATES
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FROM YOU, HEATHER, IS YOUR LOVE
FOR WOMEN AND YOUR DESIRE TO SEE
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WOMEN BE ALL THAT THEY CAN
BE. I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
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>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
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>> WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING
QUESTIONS DURING THE SECOND
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HOUR, SO IF YOU WANT TO GET YOUR
QUESTIONS IN, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
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IS CALL US AT 618-627-4651
OR E-MAIL US AT LIVE @ 3ABN.TV.
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WE HAVE A FREE OFFER TONIGHT.
>> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS
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FREE OFFER. FOR SOME
TIME NOW WE HAVE KIND
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OF HAD JUST SOMETHING THAT
3ABN HAS CHOSEN TO LIVE BY AND
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SOMETHING THAT HMS RICHARDS HAD
ON HIS WALL, AND THE AUTHOR IS
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UNKNOWN BUT HMS RICHARDS
ALWAYS HAD THIS ON HIS WALL.
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I WANTED TO READ IT TO YOU. I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT HERE
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AT 3ABN AND MAYBE IN OUR
PERSONAL LIVES AS WELL THERE ARE
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TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME AGAINST
US OR SAY HARSH THINGS ABOUT US
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OR MAKE ACCUSATIONS.
MAYBE IT NEVER HAPPENS TO YOU
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BUT IT HAPPENS
TO US OCCASIONALLY.
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WE HAVE PEOPLE ASK US SOMETIMES
WHY DON'T YOU EVER DEFEND
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YOURSELF. AND WE
HAVE DECIDED THAT THAT'S
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THE DEVIL WORD TO
DO ALL THIS DEFENDING.
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SOMEONE SAID
SOMETHING NOT TOO LONG AGO.
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THEY SAID IF SOMEBODY'S TALKING
ABOUT YOU, THAT'S NONE OF YOUR
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BUSINESS. THAT'S GOD'S BUSINESS.
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AND SO, WE KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE
THE RIGHT MINDSET BECAUSE THE
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LORD HAS SAW THIS MINISTRY TO DO
MIGHTY WORK ALL OVER THIS WORLD
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HEATHER-DAWN. THE
THREE ANGEL'S MESSAGE GOING
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FORTH OVER THE NETWORK IS
REACHING THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE
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EARTH. I WANTED
TO READ THIS TO YOU.
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IT'S KEEP AT WORK. THIS
IS OUR FREE OFFER IF YOU
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WOULD LIKE TO GET
IT. SHELLEY TOLD YOU HOW.
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YOU CAN CALL US AT
618-627-4651 OR LIVE @3ABN.TV.
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JUST CALL US OR WRITE AND WE'LL
CERTAINLY MAKE THIS AVAILABLE TO
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YOU. BUT I WANT
TO READ IT TO YOU.
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IT'S KEEP IT YOUR WORD.
THE LORD HAS GIVEN TO EVERYONE
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HIS WORD. AND IT IS
THE DEVIL'S BUSINESS
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FROM HINDER MAN FROM DOING IT.
HE MAY PRESENT OTHER THINGS MORE
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PROMISING AND MAY ALLURE
YOU IS ASSAULT YOU WITH SLANDER,
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TORMENT YOU WITH FALSE
ACCUSATIONS AND CAUSE YOU TO
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WORK AT DEFENDING YOUR CHARACTER
AND EMPLOY PERSONS TO LIE ABOUT
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YOU AND EDITORS TO ASSAULT
YOU AND EXCELLENT MAN TO SLANDER
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YOU. YOU MAY
HAVE PILOT, HEROD ALL
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COMBINED AGAINST YOU.
JUDAS, STANDING BY YOU TO SELL
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YOU FOR 32 PIECES OF SILVER.
YOU MAY WONDER WHY ALL THESE
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THINGS HAVE COME UP ON YOU.
CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT THIS IS
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BROUGHT ABOUT THROUGH THE CRAFT
OF THE DEVIL TO DRAW YOU AWAY
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FROM YOUR WORK AND TO HINDER
YOU FROM YOUR OBEDIENCE TO GOD.
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KEEP ABOUT YOUR WORK. DO
NOT FLINCH BECAUSE THE LION'S
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ROAR AND DO NOT WASTE AWAY YOUR
TIME CHASING THE DEVIL'S RABBIT
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AND DO NOT WORK - DO YOUR
WORK. LET LIARS LIFE AND LET
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SECTARIANS QUARREL AND LET
CORPORATIONS RESOLVE AND EDITORS
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PUBLISH. LET THE
DEVILS DO HIS WORSE BUT
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SEE TO IT THAT NOTHING HINDERS
FROM FULFILLING THE WORK THAT
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GOD HAS GIVEN YOU TO DO.
HE HAS NOT SENT YOU TO MAKE
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MONEY AND BID YOU TO DEFEND YOUR
CHARACTER AND NOT SENT YOU AT
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WORK TO CONTRADICT FALSEHOODS
WHICH SATAN AND HIS SERVANTS MAY
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START TO PEDDLE. IF YOU
DO THESE THINGS YOU WILL
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DO NOTHING ELSE. YOU
WILL BE AT WORK FOR YOURSELF
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AND NOT FOR THE
LORD. KEEP ABOUT YOUR WORK.
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LET YOUR AIM BE AS STEADY AS A
STAR AND LET THE WORLD BRAWL AND
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BUBBLE. YOU MAY BE
ASSAULTED, WRONGED,
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WOUNDED AND
DESPISED AND REJECTED OF MEN.
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SEE TO IT WITH STEDFAST
DETERMINATION AND UNFALTERED
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ZEAL THAT YOU PURSUE THE GREAT
PURPOSE OF YOUR LIFE AND OBJECT
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OF YOUR BEING UNTIL AT LAST
YOU CAN SAY, I HAVE FINISHED THE
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WORK WHICH THOU
GAVEITH ME TO DO.
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IT'S BEAUTIFUL ACTUALLY AND WE
MADE THEM IN A CONDITION SO THAT
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YOU CAN FRAME THEM AND DO JUST
WHAT HMS RICHARDS DID, HANG IT
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ON YOUR WALL SO EVERY TIME YOU
ARE TEMPTED TO START DEFENDING
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YOURSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF DOING
WHAT GOD'S CALLED YOU TO DO, YOU
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CAN READ THIS AND GET BACK TO
DOING THE WORK GOD'S CALLED YOU
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TO DO. >> BOY, I
TELL YOU THERE HAVE
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BEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES
WHERE WE HAD TO READ THAT.
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BECAUSE WHEN THINGS ARE
HAPPENING IT'S SO TEMPTING TO
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WANT TO STAND UP
AND DEFEND YOURSELF.
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BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVIL IS
TRYING TO DO IS JUST TO KEEP YOU
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FROM DOING THE LORD'S WORK.
>> WHEN SOMEBODY IS RUNNING YOU
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DOWN, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING BAD
ABOUT YOU, SLANDERING YOU, THAT
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IS NONE OF YOUR
BUSINESS WHAT PEOPLE SAY BUT.
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THAT'S GOD'S BUSINESS. >> AMEN.
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>> YOU JUST DO THE
WORK GOD'S CALLED TO YOU DO.
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>> AMEN. >> AND IT
IS ON A LOVELY STOCK
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PAPER THAT IS SUITABLE FOR
FRAMING SO THIS IS SOMETHING
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YOU'D LIKE IT DID LIKE HMS
RICHARDS DID HANG THIS ON YOUR
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WALL AND YOU CAN BE
ENCOURAGED FROM TIME TO TIME.
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WELL BEFORE WE JUMP INTO OUR
TOPIC, WE KNOW YOU LOVE MUSIC
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AND WE LOVE THE PERSON WHO
IS ABOUT TO SING US A BEAUTIFUL
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SONG. THIS IS OUR
OWN YVONNE LEWIS WHO
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IS DR. YVONNE LEWIS, THE GENERAL
MANAGER FOR DARE TO DREAM
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NETWORK AND YVONNE IS
GOING TO BE SINGING "THAT NAME."
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PUSH
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PRECIOUS ¤ ¤ A NAME
SO WONDERFUL, A NAME
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THAT'S WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE
BECAUSE OF YOU I AM MADE FREE ¤
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¤ AND THAT NAME IS JESUS, THE
ONE WHO GAVE HIS LIFE FOR ME ¤
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¤ BECAUSE OF LOVE SO
UNCONDITIONABLE, I WILL HAVE
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LIFE ETERNALLY ¤ ¤ OOH ¤
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¤ HIS NAME SPEAKS TO ALL
ME, HIS NAME IS CALM TO ALL ME
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¤ WHEN I SING THAT NO ONE LOVES
ME, HIS LOVE EMBRACE IS FOR ME ¤
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¤ HE'S THE ONE WHO
GAVE HIS LIFE FOR ME ¤
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¤ BECAUSE OF
LOVE, SO UNCONDITIONAL ¤
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¤ I WILL HAVE
LIFE ETERNALLY ¤ PUSH
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¤ OH PRAISE HIS NAME,
PRAISE HIS STPHAEUPL ¤
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¤ PRAISE THE
NAME, PRAISE HIS NAME ¤
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¤ BECAUSE IT'S A LOVE SO
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UNCONDITIONAL I WILL
HAVE LIFE ETERNALLY ¤
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¤ ¤
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>> PRAISE THY HOLY
NAME OF JESUS, AMEN.
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THERE IS NO OTHER NAME BY
WHICH - NO OTHER NAME BY WHICH
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MEN ARE SAVED. I
WANT TO SHARE A SCRIPTURE
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ISAIAH 61 VERSUS 1 THROUGH 3 AND
THIS IS THE WHAT THE LORD OF THE
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SAYS. THE SPUR OF
THE LORD IS UPON ME.
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BECAUSE THE LORD HAS ANOINTED
ME TO PREACH GOOD TIDING TO THE
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POOR AND SENT ME TO HEAL
THE BROKEN HEARTED AND PROCLAIM
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LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES AND THE
OPENING OF THE PRISON TO THOSE
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WHO ARE BOUND AND PROCLAIM
THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.
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TO COMFORT ALL WHO MOURN AND TO
CONSOLE THOSE WHO MOURN IN ZION
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TO GIVE THEM BEAUTY FOR
ASHES AND THE OIL OF JOY FOR
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MOURNING,, THE GARMENT OF PRAISE
AND PLANTING OF THE LURED THAT
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HE MAY BE GLORIFIED.
AND I LOVE THIS EXPLAINS -
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THESE SCRIPTURES EXPLAIN
THE MINISTRY OF JESUS CHRIST.
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AND IT IS BY HIS METHOD ALONE
WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS WORK.
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AND THAT'S WHAT WE
WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
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ONCE AGAIN, OUR SPECIAL GUEST
IS HEATHER-DAWN SMALL WHO IS THE
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DIRECTOR OF WOMEN'S MINISTRIES
FOR THE GENERAL CONFERENCE OF
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7TH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.
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>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME. IT'S ALWAYS A JOY COMING TO
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3ABN. >>
HEATHER-DAWN, WOULD YOU MIND,
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SOME TIME DURING THE EVENING
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE YOUR STORY
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ONCE MORE ABOUT YOUR SON AND
THE PAIN YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH BUT
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I'LL LET YOU KICK THIS OFF
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF.
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>> WELL, WHEN WE THINK OF
EVANGELISM AND SHARING THE
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GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST WITH
OTHER PEOPLE, THE METHOD THAT
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WE'VE USED HAS NOT ALWAYS
REFLECTED THE METHOD OF JESUS
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CHRIST. AND I
GUESS THAT'S BEEN ONE OF
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MY GREATEST CONCERNS. AND
IT'S A CONCERN OF THE CHURCH
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THAT - >> JUST
KIND OF BACK UP FOR A
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MINUTE. WHAT DO YOU
MEAN THE METHOD THAT
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WE USED HAS NOT
ALWAYS BEEN THE METHOD USED
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>> I GREW UP IN THE 7TH DAY
ADVENTIST CHURCH AND I REMEMBER
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BEFORE WHAT WE WAS THEN CALLED
M. V.AND NOW CALLED M.Y. WE
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WOULD BE TAKEN OUT INTO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KNOCK ON
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PEOPLE'S DOORS AND WE'D SAY
WE'RE HERE TO GIVE YOU A BIBLE
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STUDY. SOME
PEOPLE WOULD SAY, NO AND
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SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY SURE.
AND WE'D GIVE THEM A BIBLE STUDY
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AND TAKE THEIR NAME AND GO BACK
AND GIVE THEM MORE AND MORE AND
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HOPEFULLY THEY
WOULD GET BAPTIZED.
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BUT AT NO POINT IN TIME IN THAT
PROCESS DID WE EVER ASK HOW ARE
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YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS?
00:17:08.06\00:17:10.43
WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE?
AND AS I'VE WORKED IN WOMEN'S
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MINISTRIES THROUGH THE YEARS,
I COME TO THE REALIZATION, NOT
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JUST NOW, A LONG TIME AGO, THAT
WHEN JESUS MINISTERED HIS DESIRE
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WASN'T JUST SPIRITUAL
HEALING. HE WANTED PEOPLE TO BE
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PHYSICALLY HEALED AND
EMOTIONALLY HEALED AND SOCIALLY
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HEALED AND ALL ONE PACKAGE.
AT THE CENTER YOU COULD SAY WAS
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THE SPIRITUAL HEALING BUT JESUS
KNEW THAT WASN'T ALL THAT THERE
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WAS TO IT, THAT HE WAS
DEALING WITH THE WHOLE PERSON.
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>> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS
THE CHURCH, WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE
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HAVEN'T ALWAYS USED CHRIST'S
METHOD, WE USE IT BUT NOT THE
00:17:52.27\00:17:56.40
WHOLE PACKAGE. >>
NOT THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
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>> THE WORD ONLY
ESSENTIALLY. YES.
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IT'S NOT THAT AS A CHURCH
WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THINGS TO
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HELP OTHER PEOPLE. I
GREW UP IN THE CHURCH AND I
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RECALL VERY WELL BEING A JUNIOR
SOCIETY MEMBER WHERE THEY HAD
00:18:09.42\00:18:16.93
THE TEENAGED GIRLS INVOLVED AND
I HAD MY GREEN UNIFORM AND GREEN
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CAP AND GO THERE AFTER SCHOOL
AND CHANGE MY CLOTHES AND I HELP
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WITH SORTING CLOTHES AND WASHING
CLOTHES AND IRONING THINGS.
00:18:25.67\00:18:29.60
BUT WE DO IT IN
TWO SEPARATE WAYS.
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COMMUNITY SERVICE DOES IT
ONE THING AND THE EVANGELIST DO
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THEIR THING BUT WHEN JESUS HE
BROUGHT IT TOGETHER AND DID IT
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AT THE SAME TIME AND AS A CHURCH
WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THAT.
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I THINK WE NEED TO DO EVEN MORE.
WHEN WE GO INTO A COMMUNITY TO
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DO, FOR EXAMPLE, MEETINGS,
WE NEED TO HAVE BEEN IN THAT
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COMMUNITY WEEKS BEFORE
THE MEETING - MONTHS BEFORE,
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GETTING TO KNOW THE PEOPLE AND
GETTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
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NEEDS OF THIS TOWN, THIS VILLAGE
WERE SO THAT WHEN WE COME WE'RE
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NOT JUST COMING WITH THE WORD OF
GOD BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THESE
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PEOPLE NEED. >> I
THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -
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AT LEAST WHAT I'M HEARING
YOU SAY IS THAT OUR APPROACH -
00:19:16.28\00:19:23.73
SOMETIMES RECENTLY I INTERVIEWED
PAUL WHO WROTE A BOOK.
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THE POINT IS THE PORTION OF THE
GOSPEL THAT WE LIFT UP IS CHRIST
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CREW S CRUCIFIED THAT HE CAME
AND SET US FREE FROM SIN AND
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REDEEM US BUT WHAT WE'RE
FORGETTING IS THAT HE BECAME
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LIKE US IN EVERY
WAY. HE SUFFERED FOR US.
00:19:52.59\00:19:54.56
HE WAS TEMPTED AS WE ARE AND
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU
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WANT MORE TO BE DONE OF THE YOU
WANT THE WHOLE THING TO BE LIKE
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JESUS. HE FIRST
TOUCHED THE PEOPLE ON A
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ONE ON ONE BASIS, AND THEN
HE DELIVERED THE WORD OF GOD.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. LET ME
GIVE YOU A SHORT EXAMPLE.
00:20:11.41\00:20:15.48
WHEN I WAS YOUNG PASTOR'S WIFE
I HAD BEEN FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS MY
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HUSBAND ASKED ME TO GIVE BIBLE
STUDIES TO THIS PARTICULAR LADY.
00:20:22.12\00:20:25.25
I WOULD GIVE HER A BIBLE STUDY
AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THE
00:20:25.29\00:20:28.62
WHOLE SERIES. ONE
TIME I GOT TO HER HOME AND
00:20:28.66\00:20:31.39
WHEN SHE OPENED THE DOOR I
0 COULD TELL SHE WAS CRYING.
00:20:31.43\00:20:35.46
HER EYES WERE SWOELEN AND
NOSE WAS READ AND SOMETHING WAS
00:20:35.50\00:20:39.03
WRONG. I ASKED
HER DO YOU WANT TO DO
00:20:39.07\00:20:41.90
YOUR BIBLE STUDY TODAY. IT
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS IS A
00:20:41.94\00:20:44.21
GOOD DAY. SHE
SAID, NO, NO, COME ON IN.
00:20:44.24\00:20:49.18
WE SAT DOWN ON THE USUAL CHAIRS
AND I OPENED UP THE LESSON STUDY
00:20:49.21\00:20:52.71
AND I GAVE HER A BIBLE BECAUSE
SHE DIDN'T HAVE ONE AND SO I HAD
00:20:52.75\00:20:56.08
MINE AND WE BEGAN
GOING THROUGH THE LESSON.
00:20:56.12\00:20:59.42
WELL, ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE
LESSON WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT
00:20:59.45\00:21:01.82
THE LOVE OF GOD AND HOW MUCH
HE CARES FOR US, SHE CLOSED HER
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BIBLE AND SHE SAID I DON'T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY.
00:21:08.30\00:21:10.97
I CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS. I
SAID, WHY, YOU KNOW GOD LOVES
00:21:11.00\00:21:15.10
YOU. YOU ACCEPTED
HIM AS YOUR SAVIOR
00:21:15.14\00:21:16.97
WEEKS AGO. SHE
SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT.
00:21:17.01\00:21:19.07
I DON'T THINK GOD LOVES ME.
AND I SAID, WHY WOULD YOU SAY
00:21:19.11\00:21:23.14
THAT? AND SHE
PULLED HER DRESS OFF HER
00:21:23.18\00:21:25.51
SHOULDER AND I SAW THE MARKS
ON HER BACK AND SHE LOOKED AT ME
00:21:25.55\00:21:29.55
AND SHE SAID, YOU TELL ME
WHERE GOD WAS LAST NIGHT WHEN MY
00:21:29.58\00:21:32.59
HUSBAND WAS BEATING ME. I
HAVE TO TELL YOU I WAS STUMPED
00:21:32.62\00:21:41.56
BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT I
KNEW OR I HAD BEEN TAUGHT WHEN
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YOU MEET SOMEONE IN
PAIN YOU PRAY FOR THEM.
00:21:45.80\00:21:50.61
SO I SAID TO HER,
CAN I PRAY FOR YOU?
00:21:50.64\00:21:54.28
AND SHE SAID NO. AND
SHE SAID, I THINK IT'S BEST
00:21:54.31\00:21:57.91
IF YOU LEAVE. AND I
REMEMBER MY HEART WAS SO
00:21:57.95\00:22:00.58
HEAVY THAT I WAS LEAVING THIS
LADY WITH THIS IMPRESSION THAT
00:22:00.62\00:22:04.05
GOD DIDN'T LOVE HER, BUT
I COULDN'T THINK OF A TEXT.
00:22:04.09\00:22:06.86
I COULDN'T THINK OF A QUOTE.
I COULDN'T THINK OF ANYTHING
00:22:06.89\00:22:09.52
EXCEPT TO PRAY FOR HER.
SO WHEN WE GOT TO THE DOOR I
00:22:09.56\00:22:13.16
ASKED AGAIN CAN I PRAY
FOR YOU AND SHE SAID NO.
00:22:13.19\00:22:15.66
SHE NEVER CALLED US
BACK FOR ANY LESSONS.
00:22:15.70\00:22:17.93
WELL, YEARS LATER AS I LOOK BACK
AT THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, I
00:22:17.97\00:22:23.10
MEAN, I COULD HAVE JUST - I
WAS JUST SO ANGRY WITH MYSELF
00:22:23.14\00:22:26.37
BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WHY DIDN'T
YOU JUST ASK HER, WELL, CAN I DO
00:22:26.41\00:22:30.85
ANYTHING TO HELP YOU?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO THE
00:22:30.88\00:22:37.09
DOCTOR? IS THERE
A FAMILY MEMBER YOU
00:22:37.12\00:22:38.45
WOULD LIKE TO SEE? WHY
WAS IT THAT MY MIND WAS SO
00:22:38.49\00:22:42.42
WRAPPED IN THE MODE OF
WHATEVER I PRESENTED HAD TO BE A
00:22:42.46\00:22:46.16
SPIRITUAL, HAD TO BE A
SPIRITUAL HELP AND I'M SAYING AS
00:22:46.19\00:22:50.47
CHRISTIANS WE GOT
TO GO BEYOND THAT.
00:22:50.50\00:22:51.93
WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE THAT
CHRIST'S METHOD WAS NOT ONLY
00:22:51.97\00:22:56.91
SPIRITUAL HEALING. HE
LOOKED AT THE WHOLE PERSON
00:22:56.94\00:23:00.58
AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
EVANGELISM WE TALK ABOUT SHARING
00:23:00.61\00:23:05.11
THE GOSPEL, WE'VE ALSO GOT TO
TALK ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED IN
00:23:05.15\00:23:10.29
PEOPLE'S LIVES. >>
TOUCHING THEM, REACHING OUT
00:23:10.32\00:23:12.05
AND HOLDING THEM AND GIVING OF
OURSELVES AND NOT JUST WHAT WE
00:23:12.09\00:23:15.26
KNOW BUT WHAT WE ARE IN MEETING
THOSE - HE ALWAYS MET THE
00:23:15.29\00:23:20.76
PHYSICAL AND
EMOTIONAL NEEDS FIRST.
00:23:20.80\00:23:23.23
>> THAT'S RIGHT AND BEING REAL.
BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
00:23:23.26\00:23:27.44
WHICH ONE OF US CHRISTIANS NOW
I'M SAYING, WHICH ONE OF US HAS
00:23:27.47\00:23:31.31
NOT EXPERIENCED
TROUBLES AND TRIALS?
00:23:31.34\00:23:33.58
WE ALL HAVE AND WE
ARE GOING THROUGH THING.
00:23:33.61\00:23:37.41
WHY SHOULD I PRESENT TO THE
PEOPLE I MEET SUCH A HOLY IMAGE,
00:23:37.45\00:23:41.18
SUCH A HAPPY PERSON THAT'S
NOTHING GONE WRONG IN MY LIFE
00:23:41.22\00:23:46.86
AND I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND
00:23:46.89\00:23:50.93
THAT'S NOT WAIT IT WORKS.
AND IT BEGINS WITH THE HURTING
00:23:50.96\00:23:54.00
PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH.
THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BEGIN.
00:23:54.03\00:23:55.90
>> IT'S INTERESTING. WE
WERE TALKING EARLIER YOU AND
00:23:55.93\00:23:58.57
KNOW, I MENTIONED IT'S A
GOOD THING WE DID TALK EARLIER
00:23:58.60\00:24:02.00
BECAUSE WE GOT SO PASSIONATE
THAT WE WERE JUST AT THE EDGE OF
00:24:02.04\00:24:06.54
OUR SEATS AND WE NEEDED TO
TEMPER THAT BEFORE WE CAME OUT
00:24:06.57\00:24:09.34
HERE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING -
SPEAKING EARLIER, THE PROBLEM IS
00:24:09.38\00:24:14.88
THAT PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH - YOU
KNOW, WE HAD NOT BEEN TRAINED
00:24:14.92\00:24:18.79
HOW TO DO THIS. BUT
IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT.
00:24:18.82\00:24:22.22
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE
CHURCH WHO HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST
00:24:22.26\00:24:26.49
AS THEIR SAVIOR AND THEY HAVE
THAT HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE BUT
00:24:26.53\00:24:31.53
THEY HAVEN'T REALLY LET GOD GET
IN TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM
00:24:31.57\00:24:38.91
AND HEAL THEM AND NOBODY
KNOWS HOW TO GET TO THAT AND WE
00:24:38.94\00:24:41.44
HAVEN'T BEEN TRAINED TO, BUT
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, MOST PEOPLE
00:24:41.48\00:24:44.91
STILL HAVE THAT
GOING ON IN THEIR OWN LIFE.
00:24:44.95\00:24:47.88
>> WE COME TO CHURCH AND
PRETEND EVERYTHING IS FINE.
00:24:47.92\00:24:50.39
EVEN IF I WANT TO SHARE I LOOK
AROUND AND I SAY, WHO AM I GOING
00:24:50.42\00:24:55.22
TO SHARE WITH? WHO IS
GOING TO BE CONFIDENTIAL?
00:24:55.26\00:24:57.89
>> WE NEED SOMEBODY TO TALK TO.
AND THAT WILL LISTEN TO US AND
00:24:57.93\00:25:02.46
WON'T TRY TO SHARE ALL THEIR
GREAT PEARLS OF WISDOM WITH US.
00:25:02.50\00:25:06.70
JUST GIVE ME AN
EAR AND A SHOULDER.
00:25:06.74\00:25:08.50
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO
00:25:08.54\00:25:11.57
NEED TO KIND OF SENSITIVITY
TRAINING, TELL YOUR STORY. AS
00:25:11.61\00:25:18.25
CHRISTIANS, OFTEN WE ARE KIND OF
TAUGHT NOT TO DRAG UP THE PAST
00:25:18.28\00:25:24.35
AND YOU KNOW, GOD HAS HEALED
US ALL FROM SO MANY THINGS.
00:25:24.39\00:25:30.19
IF SOMEBODY IS GOING BACK TO THE
PAST WE OUGHT TO RECOGNIZE, ALL
00:25:30.23\00:25:33.40
RIGHT, THEY'RE NOT HEALED AND WE
NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THIS.
00:25:33.43\00:25:37.63
BUT PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY JUST
TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, DON'T TALK
00:25:37.67\00:25:40.44
ABOUT THAT. DO THIS.
00:25:40.47\00:25:41.80
YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN. BE POSITIVE.
00:25:41.84\00:25:44.97
>> SING A SONG. PRAISE THE LORD.
00:25:45.01\00:25:47.74
MAKE A LIST OF YOUR BLESSINGS.
>> WELL, I LOST MY FIRST SON
00:25:47.78\00:25:51.51
WHEN HE WAS FOUR
YEARS OLD, BACK IN 1985.
00:25:51.55\00:25:54.58
HE HAD BEEN ATTACKED
BY A DOG. MY FATHER'S DOG.
00:25:54.62\00:25:58.79
WE WERE AT MY DAD'S HOME.
THE DOG HITTEN HIM TWICE IN THE
00:25:58.82\00:26:02.82
HEAD AND RUSHED HIM TO THE
HOSPITAL AND HE DIED IN SURGERY
00:26:02.86\00:26:10.17
BECAUSE NO ONE HAD ASKED
US IF HE HAD EATEN ANYTHING.
00:26:10.20\00:26:13.64
HE IT CAME UP IN IT
HIS LUNGS AND HE DROWNED.
00:26:13.67\00:26:20.68
IT WAS WORST DAY OF MY
LIFE. I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT.
00:26:20.71\00:26:25.41
I REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME
TO ME AT THE FUNERAL AND CONSOLE
00:26:25.45\00:26:29.88
ME AND SATISFY SAY, THINGS,
THE LORD GIVES AND TAKES AWAY.
00:26:29.92\00:26:35.32
YOU GOT TO KEEP
PRAISING GOD MY SISTER.
00:26:35.36\00:26:37.79
LOOK AT ALL THE GOOD THINGS AND
ALL THESE VERY NICE THINGS BUT
00:26:37.83\00:26:43.03
MEANINGLESS
THINGS TO ME AT THE TIME.
00:26:43.06\00:26:47.44
BUT I TOOK ALL OF THAT IN AND
I WENT TO MY HOME AND IF YOU HAD
00:26:47.47\00:26:52.21
COME TO MY HOME TWO WEEKS AFTER
MY SON DIED YOU WOULD NOT HAVE
00:26:52.24\00:26:56.11
KNOWN I HAD A SON BECAUSE I
CLEARED UP HIS ROOM AND GAVE
00:26:56.14\00:27:00.62
AWAY HIS TOYS AND CLOTHES TO MY
REGRET BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING OF
00:27:00.65\00:27:04.25
HIS NOW. NOT A
LITTLE CAP OR T-SHIRT,
00:27:04.29\00:27:07.06
NOTHING. I JUST
CLEARED EVERYTHING OUT.
00:27:07.09\00:27:09.02
AND MY THING WAS TO KEEP THOSE
THINGS THERE WAS TO DENY THE
00:27:09.06\00:27:14.00
POWER OF GOD AND TO DENY THE
FACT THAT IN THIS TERRIBLE TIME,
00:27:14.03\00:27:22.00
I SHOULD REALLY
JUST BE PRAISING GOD.
00:27:22.04\00:27:23.81
SO I NEVER MOURNED
FOR MY SON OR GRIEVED.
00:27:23.84\00:27:27.18
JUST ABOUT 11 YEARS LATER IN
1996, I HAD AN EXPERIENCE THAT
00:27:27.21\00:27:30.91
BROUGHT IT ALL BACK.
FOR YEARS I STUFFED IT DOWN
00:27:30.95\00:27:34.12
THINKING IT WAS
GOING TO BE ALMOST SINFUL
00:27:34.15\00:27:37.35
>> SO THE PAIN WAS STILL THERE.
>> OH, THE PAIN WAS STILL THERE.
00:27:37.39\00:27:41.02
>> IT WAS JUST
HIDDEN. >> IT WAS HIDDEN.
00:27:41.06\00:27:43.53
AND IF YOU'D ASK ME IF THERE WAS
PAIN, I WOULD HAVE SAID NO THERE
00:27:43.56\00:27:48.90
WAS NONE. IN THOSE
FEW MONTHS AFTER HE
00:27:48.93\00:27:52.33
DIED I FOUND JESUS FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.
00:27:52.37\00:27:55.54
AND THIS COMES BACK
TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
00:27:55.57\00:27:58.31
WE COULD HAVE JESUS IN OUR LIVES
BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE HIM ROOM,
00:27:58.34\00:28:03.24
ACCESS, PERMISSION TO DEAL WITH
OUR PAIN, THAT PAIN STAYS THERE.
00:28:03.28\00:28:07.28
AND SO, 11 YEARS LATER, WE WERE
PASTORING AT A CHURCH AND THIS
00:28:07.32\00:28:13.32
WAS A MOTHER AND SON AND HE WAS
ABOUT 10 OR 11 YEARS OF AGE AND
00:28:13.36\00:28:16.89
HE GOT IN A TERRIBLE ACCIDENT
FALLING FROM A FERRIS WHEEL, NOT
00:28:16.93\00:28:22.73
THE BIG ONES BUT A SMALL ONE BUT
HE FELL TO THE GROUND AND HE GOT
00:28:22.76\00:28:28.70
SCALPED. AND THE
WHOLE CHURCH WAS THERE
00:28:28.74\00:28:30.31
PRAYING FOR HIM. MY
HUSBAND AND I WERE THERE
00:28:30.34\00:28:33.04
EVERY DAY PRAYING AND WE
HAD A VIGIL AND THIS CHILD THEY
00:28:33.07\00:28:36.54
THOUGHT WAS GOING TO DIE LIVED.
WELL, SOME MONTHS LATER, IT'S
00:28:36.58\00:28:42.58
COMING TO THE END OF THE YEAR
AND WE'RE THERE AT CHURCH AND
00:28:42.62\00:28:45.49
SHE COMES UP TO
GIVE HER TESTIMONY.
00:28:45.52\00:28:48.62
TO THANK GOD FOR HER SON'S
LIFE AND I'M IN THE FRONT BENCH
00:28:48.66\00:28:52.69
BECAUSE I'M A
GOOD PASTOR'S WIFE.
00:28:52.73\00:28:57.27
I SIT IN THE FRONT SO I CAN
SMILE AT MY HUSBAND WHILE HE
00:28:57.30\00:29:01.30
PREACHES AND I'M SITTING
THERE NICELY FOR HER TESTIMONY.
00:29:01.34\00:29:05.47
AS I'M LISTENING A LITTLE VOICE
WHISPERS IN MY EAR, HOW COME GOD
00:29:05.51\00:29:12.91
SAVED THIS WOMAN'S SON WHEN
YOU PRAYED FOR HIM BUT WHEN YOU
00:29:12.95\00:29:16.48
PRAYED FOR YOUR OWN
SON, GOD LET HIM DIE?
00:29:16.52\00:29:20.72
AND THAT JUST HIT ME
LIKE A TON OF BRICKS.
00:29:20.76\00:29:27.80
I THOUGHT ABOUT
IT, I THOUGHT, YEAH.
00:29:27.83\00:29:31.63
HOW COME? DOES
GOD HAVE FAVORITES?
00:29:31.67\00:29:35.60
AS I SAT THERE AN ANGER BEGAN TO
WELL UP INSIDE OF ME THAT JUST
00:29:35.64\00:29:39.74
GOT WORSE AND WORSE. BY
THE TIME SERVICE WAS OVER
00:29:39.77\00:29:42.54
INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE
FRONT DOOR WITH MY HUSBAND AS I
00:29:42.58\00:29:45.61
USUALLY DO I WENT THROUGH
THE SIDE DOOR BECAUSE I WAS TOO
00:29:45.65\00:29:51.25
ANGRY TO TALK TO ANYONE. WE
GOT IN THE CAR AND MY HUSBAND
00:29:51.29\00:29:54.06
SAID TO ME, ARE YOU
OKAY? I SAID UH-HUH.
00:29:54.09\00:29:56.73
BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN TALK.
I WAS CHOKED UP TO MY THROAT.
00:29:56.76\00:30:01.06
AND WE DROVE HOME AND I REMEMBER
MY KIDS WERE IN THE BACKSEAT
00:30:01.10\00:30:06.50
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHISPERING WHO HAD UPSET ME.
00:30:06.53\00:30:11.27
FINALLY MY HUSBAND
SAID, BE QUIET BEHIND THERE.
00:30:11.31\00:30:13.68
WE GOT HOME AND AS USUAL I WENT
INTO THE KITCHEN TO TAKE THE
00:30:13.71\00:30:16.64
FOOD OUT AND HEAT IT UP AND LAY
THE TABLE AND I WAS SLAMMING AND
00:30:16.68\00:30:22.98
BANGING EVERYTHING AND HITTING
THE CUPBOARD DRAWERS BECAUSE I
00:30:23.02\00:30:27.26
WAS ANGRY. WHEN THE
FOOD WAS ON THE TABLE I
00:30:27.29\00:30:30.29
WALK IN THE BEDROOM
AND SLAMMED THE DOOR.
00:30:30.33\00:30:32.86
MY HUSBAND CAME IN THE ROOM AND
HE KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON.
00:30:32.89\00:30:37.03
HE TOLD THE KIDS TO GO AND
EAT AND HE CAME IN THE ROOM AND
00:30:37.07\00:30:40.54
SAID, WHAT'S
HAPPENING? WHAT IS GOING ON?
00:30:40.57\00:30:42.10
AND I SAID,
OKAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW.
00:30:42.14\00:30:45.27
NOW MY ANGER IS AT HIM BECAUSE
AFTER ALL HE'S A SERVANT AT HIM.
00:30:45.31\00:30:49.71
I SAID, OKAY, PASTOR SMALL, YOU
TELL ME WHEN WE PRAYED FOR OUR
00:30:49.74\00:30:56.99
SON HE DIED WHEN HE PRAYED
FOR THIS WOMAN'S SON HE LIVED.
00:30:57.02\00:31:01.82
HE WAS BLIND
SIDED BY MY QUESTION.
00:31:01.86\00:31:03.93
>> 11 YEARS AFTER
THE DEATH OF >> EXACTLY.
00:31:03.96\00:31:05.63
HE NEVER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS
SOMETHING THAT WITH YOU GOING TO
00:31:05.66\00:31:07.56
COME UP AT THIS TIME.
AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY
00:31:07.60\00:31:10.93
SOMETHING, IT WASN'T
11 YEARS THIS. WAS 96.
00:31:10.97\00:31:14.54
IT WAS 98 SO THIS
WAS 13 YEARS LATER.
00:31:14.57\00:31:21.34
HE LEFT THE ROOM QUIETLY.
AND I STAYED IN THE ROOM.
00:31:21.38\00:31:25.71
I WOKE UP TO DO MY FIRST THING,
I PICK UP MY BIBLE FROM MY BED
00:31:25.75\00:31:29.88
AND I OPEN IT UP. A
THOUGHT HITS ME AND I THINK TO
00:31:29.92\00:31:35.16
MYSELF, I'VE GROWN UP IN
THIS CHURCH, I KNOW THIS BIBLE.
00:31:35.19\00:31:40.26
MY SON IS STILL
DEAD. I DON'T WANT IT.
00:31:40.30\00:31:42.50
I CLOSE IT AND I PUT IT BY MY
BED AND I REFUSED TO TALK TO GOD
00:31:42.53\00:31:47.64
FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS. NOW
I WAS STILL GOING TO CHURCH.
00:31:47.67\00:31:49.90
I WAS STILL THE PASTOR'S WIFE
PLAYING THE PIANO AND GREETING
00:31:49.94\00:31:55.04
PEOPLE AND SMILING
AND TALKING AND LAUGHING.
00:31:55.08\00:31:58.51
BUT INSIDE I HAD NO
RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.
00:31:58.55\00:32:01.78
I WAS ANGRY WITH HIM AND THEN I
GOT SICK AND THE DOCTOR SAID SHE
00:32:01.82\00:32:05.29
NEEDS SOME REST. I WAS
DIAGNOSED WITH DEPRESSION
00:32:05.32\00:32:09.62
AND DOCTOR SAID SHE NEEDED REST.
SO MY HUSBAND SAID I'M SENDING
00:32:09.66\00:32:14.30
YOU TO YOUR SISTER. YOU
NEED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF
00:32:14.33\00:32:18.57
MONTHS. MY
SISTER IS SINGLE AND WE
00:32:18.60\00:32:20.40
ALWAYS HAVE FUN TOGETHER.
BUT SHE'S A PSYCHOLOGIST.
00:32:20.44\00:32:25.91
I WARNED MY HUSBAND I SAID
IF YOU ARE MY DAD TELL MY SISTER
00:32:25.94\00:32:29.51
I'M DEPRESSED AND I'VE
GONE THROUGH SOMETHING.
00:32:29.54\00:32:31.61
I WILL COME BACK HOME.
BECAUSE MY SISTER WOULD NOT BE
00:32:31.65\00:32:36.55
ABLE TO RESTRAIN HERSELF.
HE SAID OKAY, WE WON'T SAY
00:32:36.58\00:32:42.79
ANYTHING. SO I GOT THERE.
00:32:42.82\00:32:44.16
FIRST NIGHT I GOT THERE WE
HADN'T SEEN EACH OTHER IN 3 OR 4
00:32:44.19\00:32:51.23
YEARS. I HAVE TO
TELL YOU BEFORE I
00:32:51.27\00:32:53.13
LEFT, WHEN I WAS PACKING IT WAS
MY CUSTOM WHEN I WOULD PACK TO
00:32:53.17\00:32:56.60
GO ON A TRIP TO PUT MY BIBLE
INSIDE THE SUITCASE, LAST THING
00:32:56.64\00:33:00.28
I WOULD PACK. SO I
PICKED IT UP AUTOMATICALLY
00:33:00.31\00:33:02.54
TO PUT IT IN MY SUITCASE
AND THEN I THOUGHT, I DON'T NEED
00:33:02.58\00:33:05.71
THIS. I PUT IT
BACK BY THE BED AND
00:33:05.75\00:33:08.78
CLOSED THE SUITCASE. SO
THAT NIGHT AFTER WE HAD EATEN
00:33:08.82\00:33:11.69
AND SHE GAVE ME THIS GIFT BAG
I WENT INTO THE ROOM AND CLOSED
00:33:11.72\00:33:14.26
THE T DOOR AND SAT ON THE BED.
I PULL THREE BOOKS OF THE BAG.
00:33:14.29\00:33:22.00
THE FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED "LORD
HEAL MY HURT" AND I STILL HAVE
00:33:22.03\00:33:26.23
THAT BOOK. THE SECOND ONE WAS
00:33:26.27\00:33:28.84
"DISAPPOINTMENT WITH GOD" BY
PHILLIP YANCY AND THEN THE THIRD
00:33:28.87\00:33:32.97
BOOK WAS A BIBLE. >>
ALL THREE OF THEM EXACTLY
00:33:33.01\00:33:36.24
WHAT YOU NEED. >>
JUST EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED.
00:33:36.28\00:33:38.61
AND I LOOKED AT THE BIBLE AND I
SAID OUT LOUD TO MYSELF, I SAID,
00:33:38.65\00:33:43.39
OKAY, LORD, I DON'T WANT TO TALK
TO YOU BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY WANT TO
00:33:43.42\00:33:47.26
TALK TO ME SO LET'S TALK.
AND THE NEXT MORNING WHEN MY
00:33:47.29\00:33:50.63
SISTER LEFT FOR WORK FOR ABOUT
TWO WEEKS EVERY MORNING WHEN SHE
00:33:50.66\00:33:53.80
LEFT, I'D GO BACK INTO MY ROOM
AND PUT THE BIBLE ON THE BED AND
00:33:53.83\00:33:58.73
I SCREAM AT GOD. I SHOUT AT HIM.
00:33:58.77\00:34:01.40
I WOULD TELL HIM HE WAS UNFAIR
AND DIDN'T LOVE ME AND I TELL
00:34:01.44\00:34:05.97
HIM HIS BIBLE WAS LIES,
EVERYTHING NEGATIVE THING INSIDE
00:34:06.01\00:34:10.61
THAT I HAD BEEN THINKING BUT NOT
SAYING, JUST CAME TUMBLING OUT.
00:34:10.65\00:34:14.08
WHEN I FINISHED I WOULD GET UP
AND I WOULD LEAVE THE ROOM AND I
00:34:14.12\00:34:17.49
WOULD TURN THE TV ON
AND TRY TO DISTRACT MYSELF.
00:34:17.52\00:34:20.76
AFTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS OF DOING
THAT I GOT INTO THE ROOM ONE
00:34:20.79\00:34:23.83
MORNING AND I WAS READY AND I
THOUGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
00:34:23.86\00:34:27.40
TO SAY. AND THEN I
LOOKED AT THE BIBLE
00:34:27.43\00:34:31.13
AND I SAID, OKAY,
LORD, I'M FINISHED.
00:34:31.17\00:34:33.94
WHAT DO YOU HAVE
TO SAY FOR YOURSELF?
00:34:33.97\00:34:36.50
AND I PICKED UP THE BIBLE.
HE SPOKE THROUGH HIS WORD.
00:34:36.54\00:34:39.67
I BEGAN TO READ AND AS I BEGAN
TO READ, GOD'S WORD BEGAN TO
00:34:39.71\00:34:44.31
HEAL ME. >> PRAISE THE LORD.
00:34:44.35\00:34:48.12
I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED IF BACK IN 1985 WHEN MY
00:34:48.15\00:34:54.06
SON DIED SOMEBODY HAD SAID
TO ME, LET IT OUT, SWEETHEART.
00:34:54.09\00:34:58.99
SCREAM, SHOUT. GRIEVE, BE UPSET.
00:34:59.03\00:35:02.00
BE ANGRY. GO
THROUGH THE PHRASES THAT YOU
00:35:02.03\00:35:04.43
NEED TO GO THROUGH TO
GRIEVE THIS SITUATION.
00:35:04.47\00:35:08.10
I SOMETIMES WONDER HOW
LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
00:35:08.14\00:35:10.87
>> SOMEBODY HAD REACHED
OUT AND SAID, I'M HERE FOR YOU.
00:35:10.91\00:35:13.48
SCREAM AT ME. TELL ME
ALL YOUR PAINS AND HURT.
00:35:13.51\00:35:18.35
>> WHEN YOU DON'T GET THAT
AND YOU STUFF THAT DOWN, YOU CAN
00:35:18.38\00:35:21.88
STILL BE IN CHURCH, BUT I TELL
PEOPLE IT'S LIKE A PIPELINE.
00:35:21.92\00:35:27.22
YOU KNOW, JUST IMAGINE THERE'S A
PIPELINE FROM YOUR HEART TO GOD.
00:35:27.26\00:35:32.09
AND THE MORE NEGATIVE THINGS YOU
KEEP INSIDE ABOUT GOD OR ABOUT
00:35:32.13\00:35:37.17
WHAT'S HAPPENING, IT
CLOGGED THE PIPELINE.
00:35:37.20\00:35:39.93
GOD'S LOVE AND HIS
COMFORT CAN'T GET TO ME.
00:35:39.97\00:35:42.90
WHEN I GET THAT STUFF OUT, THE
PIPELINE'S CLEAR AND ALL OF A
00:35:42.94\00:35:46.98
SUDDEN THE LOVE OF GOD
WAS FLOWING TO MY HEART.
00:35:47.01\00:35:50.51
JUST MADE SUCH
A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
00:35:50.55\00:35:52.31
>> I HOPE THAT THOSE OF YOU
LISTENING REMEMBER THIS WHEN
00:35:52.35\00:35:57.95
SOMEONE IS GRIEVING -
MY AUNT CALLED LAST NIGHT.
00:35:57.99\00:36:03.59
SHE'S 93 YEARS OLD AND HER SON,
MY COUSIN, DIED UNEXPECTEDLY.
00:36:03.63\00:36:09.73
JUST WENT TO SLEEP.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY
00:36:09.76\00:36:13.30
SISTER. WENT TO
BED FOR A NAP AND NEVER
00:36:13.34\00:36:15.40
WOKE UP. AND SO,
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST
00:36:15.44\00:36:19.57
STUNNED TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE
HE WAS ONLY 59 YEARS OLD.
00:36:19.61\00:36:21.74
BUT THE THING THAT WE HAVE
TO REMEMBER IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO
00:36:21.78\00:36:26.51
HAVE THE ANSWERS.
PEOPLE WANT TO BE LISTENED TO.
00:36:26.55\00:36:29.68
SOMETIMES THE BEST THING YOU CAN
DO TO CONSOLE SOMEONE IN GRIEF
00:36:29.72\00:36:35.66
IS NOT TO SAY ANYTHING,
JUST TO HUG AND LISTEN TO THEM.
00:36:35.69\00:36:41.90
CERTAINLY DON'T TRY TO DENY
THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRIEVE.
00:36:41.93\00:36:46.40
SO, WHAT WE SEE - AND I KNOW
THAT OUR CHURCH IS SO GOOD AT
00:36:46.43\00:36:51.57
DOING HEALTH SEMINARS AND
VARIOUS THINGS, AND THERE ARE SO
00:36:51.61\00:36:56.75
MANY WONDERFUL PROGRAMS, BUT
WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, WE
00:36:56.78\00:37:00.82
JUST NEED TO HAVE A PARADIGM
SHIFT ON WHAT WE CONSIDER
00:37:00.85\00:37:08.26
EVANGELISM AND ESPECIALLY THE
RAMPING UP TO THE SHARING OF THE
00:37:08.29\00:37:12.33
WORD. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:37:12.36\00:37:15.16
I THINK THIS TERM, WHICH WE USE
FRIENDSHIP EVANGELISM, EVERYBODY
00:37:15.20\00:37:20.44
KNOWS ABOUT IT. BUT THAT'S IT.
00:37:20.47\00:37:23.77
THAT REALLY IS IT. I
MEAN, I THINK ABOUT ZACK IN
00:37:23.81\00:37:31.81
THE TREE. THIS POOR
LITTLE MAN WAS ASHAMED
00:37:31.85\00:37:35.28
OF THE LIFE HE WAS
LIVING. HE WANTED TO SEE JESUS.
00:37:35.32\00:37:39.62
JUST A GLIMPSE IS ALL HE WANTED
OF THIS MAN WHO WAS SAYING ALL
00:37:39.65\00:37:44.09
THESE WONDERFUL THINGS.
JESUS COULD HAVE SAID, I LOVE
00:37:44.13\00:37:47.96
YOU, AND I FORGIVE YOU. HE
COULD HAVE SAID A NUMBER OF
00:37:48.00\00:37:51.87
THING. JESUS SAID,
COME DOWN I'M CGOING
00:37:51.90\00:37:57.67
TO YOUR HOUSE. JESUS
CAME TO HIS HOUSE AND I
00:37:57.71\00:38:00.18
KNOW HE DIDN'T GO TO HIS
HOUSE AND GIVE HIM A SERMON.
00:38:00.21\00:38:02.64
HE LISTENED TO HIM AND TALKED
WITH HIM AND MINISTERED TO HIS
00:38:02.68\00:38:06.58
NEEDS. AND I
THINK TOO MANY TIMES IN
00:38:06.61\00:38:09.18
EVANGELISM WE BYPASS THAT AND
SEE PEOPLE WITH A LITTLE NUMBER
00:38:09.22\00:38:15.36
SIGN ON THEM. HOW
MANY STARS AM I GOING TO
00:38:15.39\00:38:18.09
HAVE IN MY CROWN. YOU'RE ONE.
00:38:18.13\00:38:19.79
YOU'RE ONE. YOU'RE ONE.
00:38:19.83\00:38:21.16
AND WE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IS, WHEN WE TRY
00:38:21.20\00:38:25.73
TO REACH OUT TO SOMEONE WITH THE
WORD OF GOD, I'M GIVING YOU A
00:38:25.77\00:38:31.91
SERIES OF BIBLE LESSONS THERE
COMES A POINT WHERE WE SAY THIS
00:38:31.94\00:38:35.54
PERSON ISN'T GOING TO GIVE THEIR
HEART TO THE LORD, MOVE ON.
00:38:35.58\00:38:39.81
THERE ARE A PEOPLE WHO
LEAVE THAT PERSON AND MOVE ON TO
00:38:39.85\00:38:42.02
SOMEONE ELSE AND I SAY,
NO. KEEP THE FRIENDSHIP GOING.
00:38:42.05\00:38:47.72
KEEP THE PASSAGE WAY
OPEN. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE - SOME
00:38:47.76\00:38:53.19
PEOPLE JUST TAKE A LITTLE
LONGER THAN OTHERS, YOU KNOW?
00:38:53.23\00:38:56.93
AND I MAY NOT BE THE ONE WHO
BRINGS THEM TO THE POINT OF THEM
00:38:56.97\00:39:01.34
ACCEPTING JESUS. I
MAY BE JUST BE SOMEONE WHO
00:39:01.37\00:39:09.24
NURTURED THAT PLANT AND GOD
BRINGS SOMEONE ELSE BUT I NEED
00:39:09.28\00:39:12.31
TO DO MY PART. THAT'S
WHY I SAY IT BEGINS WITH
00:39:12.35\00:39:14.92
THE CHURCH. AS A
CHURCH, WE NEED TO BE AWARE
00:39:14.95\00:39:17.95
OF THE NEEDS OF THE
MEMBERS IN THE CHURCH.
00:39:17.99\00:39:19.65
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE
CHURCH NEEDS TO BE A SAFE PLACE.
00:39:19.69\00:39:23.02
BUT HOW MANY OF US GO TO CHURCH
AND REALLY FEEL THAT WE CAN BE
00:39:23.06\00:39:27.56
OURSELVES? THINK
ABOUT IT, SHELLEY.
00:39:27.60\00:39:29.86
AND I'M JUST TALKING
ABOUT THE THREE OF US.
00:39:29.90\00:39:32.03
YOU'RE BOTH ON TV A
LOT. I WORK FOR THE CHURCH.
00:39:32.07\00:39:34.70
I TRAVEL A LOT. YOU
GO TO CHURCH AND YOU ARE
00:39:34.74\00:39:37.77
TROUBLED ABOUT SOMETHING YOU AND
LOOK AROUND YOU AND THINK, THERE
00:39:37.81\00:39:40.28
IS NO ONE HERE I
CAN SHARE THIS WITH.
00:39:40.31\00:39:43.85
THEY THINK I'M THIS
STRONG SPIRITUAL PERSON.
00:39:43.88\00:39:46.72
I CAN'T DISSOLUTION THEM OF THAT
AND FOR THEM TO THINK THAT I MAY
00:39:46.75\00:39:50.09
BE IN A BAD
PLACE, HOW COULD YOU BE?
00:39:50.12\00:39:52.25
YOU'RE A WOMAN OF GOD.
AND SO, YOU KEEP THAT STUFF
00:39:52.29\00:39:57.63
INSIDE. I WANT TO
SAY I COULD SHARE IT
00:39:57.66\00:39:59.79
WITH MY HUSBAND. WE'VE
BEEN MARRIED 37 YEARS THIS
00:39:59.83\00:40:03.37
YEAR BUT THERE ARE SOME
THINGS BECAUSE POOR FELLA -
00:40:03.40\00:40:07.20
>> HE'S GOING TO
WANT TO SOLVE IT.
00:40:07.24\00:40:09.47
AND I JUST AWANT HIM TO LISTEN
TO IT AND LET ME CRY AND GO
00:40:09.50\00:40:15.44
THROUGH MY WHATEVER. I
THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT EVEN
00:40:15.48\00:40:18.05
WITHIN OUR CHURCH ENVIRONMENT,
WE CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE
00:40:18.08\00:40:22.58
PEOPLE FEEL - MEMBERS FEEL I
CAN SHARE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
00:40:22.62\00:40:26.32
ME, I CAN LET MY HAIR DOWN.
I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BEHAVE
00:40:26.35\00:40:30.93
AND LOOK A CERTAIN WAY.
>> I THINK ANY TIME SOMEONE
00:40:30.96\00:40:34.76
COMES TO US AND SHARES A
PROBLEM, WE ALWAYS WANT TO FIX
00:40:34.80\00:40:38.57
IT. WE ALWAYS THINK WE'VE GOT TO
00:40:38.60\00:40:40.20
HAVE THE ANSWER. WE CAN
GIVE YOU THREE POINTS AND
00:40:40.24\00:40:44.37
A POEM, A FORMULA TO WORK AND
YOU'RE GOING TO BE JUST FINE.
00:40:44.41\00:40:50.01
>> THAT RIGHT
SCRIPTURE. >> RIGHT.
00:40:50.05\00:40:51.75
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY NEED.
THEY JUST NEED A SOFT SHOULDER
00:40:51.78\00:40:56.08
AND A LISTENING EAR. >> I
REMEMBER YEARS AGO THIS HAS
00:40:56.12\00:41:01.16
TO BE 2002 I WAS TRAVELING
TO SOUTH AFRICA AND I WENT TO
00:41:01.19\00:41:04.69
ATTEND A WOMEN'S - WE HAD A
WOMEN'S WEEKEND, AND AT THE END
00:41:04.73\00:41:08.90
OF THE WEEKEND IT WAS A SUNDAY
I HAD DONE MY LAST PRESENTATION
00:41:08.93\00:41:12.73
AND AS I WAS LEAVING OUT THE
BACK TO GO TO THE PLACE I WAS
00:41:12.77\00:41:16.10
STAYING A LADY STOPPED ME.
THEY HAD THIS CUTE LITTLE BABY
00:41:16.14\00:41:19.37
AND I LOVE BABIES.
I'M ALWAYS HOLDING THEM.
00:41:19.41\00:41:22.64
I TAKE PICTURE WITH
BABIES AND LITTLE CHILDREN.
00:41:22.68\00:41:24.85
I HELD THE BABY. THIS
BABY MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT 6
00:41:24.88\00:41:28.28
OR 7 MONTHS OLD AND SHE BEGAN TO
TELL ME HER STORY. SHE SAID, YOU
00:41:28.32\00:41:32.75
KNOW, SISTER, MY HUSBAND DIED
FROM H.I.V. AND I HAVE H.I.V.
00:41:32.79\00:41:39.69
AND I COULD DIE ANY TIME.
SHE SAID, BUT YOU KNOW, MY
00:41:39.73\00:41:43.87
CONCERN IS FOR MY
BABY. WILL YOU TAKE MY BABY?
00:41:43.90\00:41:47.70
>> OH. >> YOU KNOW?
00:41:47.74\00:41:49.90
SHE DIDN'T SAY, I WANT
TO MAKE SURE I'M SAVED.
00:41:49.94\00:41:54.58
CAN YOU HELP ME. I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M
00:41:54.61\00:41:58.31
GOING TO WAKE IN THE -
THAT WASN'T HER THOUGHT.
00:41:58.35\00:42:01.32
HER THOUGHT WAS, THE NEED SHE
HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT HER BABY
00:42:01.35\00:42:06.62
HAD A SAFE
HOME. AND WE DID THAT.
00:42:06.65\00:42:09.52
I REMEMBER, I CALLED FOR THE
DIRECTOR WHO DID THIS TICK - I
00:42:09.56\00:42:14.00
SAID DO WE HAVE ANY WOMEN HERE
WHO ARE NURSES OR SOCIAL WORKERS
00:42:14.03\00:42:17.83
OR SOMEBODY. SHE GOT
A SOCIAL WORKER WHO CAME
00:42:17.87\00:42:20.54
AND WE SAT WITH THE LADY AND
THEY TALKED AND THEY WORKED IT
00:42:20.57\00:42:23.51
OUT. MONTHS
LATER I FOUND OUT THAT
00:42:23.54\00:42:27.18
THE WOMAN HAD DIED BUT THE BABY
HAD ALREADY FOUND A HOME AND MET
00:42:27.21\00:42:33.52
THE PARENTS - THE PEOPLE
WHO WERE GOING TO BE PARENTS.
00:42:33.55\00:42:37.65
AND I THINK OH MY GOODNESS,
THAT WAS HER NEED, YOU KNOW.
00:42:37.69\00:42:45.43
AND WE MEET PEOPLE WHO HAVE A
NEED AND WE GO STRAIGHT TO THE
00:42:45.46\00:42:48.76
HOLY SCRIPTURES AND I
THINK THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
00:42:48.80\00:42:52.03
THAT'S NOT WHAT JESUS
DID. YES, THAT SALVATION IS SO
00:42:52.07\00:42:57.67
IMPORTANT, BUT TELL ME HOW WELL
CAN YOU LISTEN TO THE WORD OF
00:42:57.71\00:43:00.74
GOD WHEN YOU'RE IN PAIN,
WHEN YOUR STOMACH IS EMPTY OR A
00:43:00.78\00:43:07.08
RAGING FEVER OR WHEN YOU KNOW
YOU MIGHT DIE OF CANCER OR YOUR
00:43:07.12\00:43:12.09
HUSBAND DOESN'T HAVE A JOB
AND YOU HAVE NO WAY TO PAY THE
00:43:12.12\00:43:16.09
BILLS. HOW DO YOU
TAKE ALL OF THAT IN
00:43:16.12\00:43:17.59
WHEN THE
PRESSING CONCERN IS THIS?
00:43:17.63\00:43:22.06
>> YOU CAN'T CONCENTRATE ON
28 FUNDAMENTAL DOCTORATES WHEN
00:43:22.10\00:43:27.54
YOU'RE STARVING TO DEATH.
>> AND HARD TO BELIEVE THERE IS
00:43:27.57\00:43:30.21
A LOVING GOD WHEN I'M SUFFERING.
>> SURE, SURE EXCELLENT POINT.
00:43:30.24\00:43:34.04
>> WHAT IS IT THAT WE AS
CHILDREN OF GOD NEED TO DO?
00:43:34.08\00:43:36.75
AND THIS IS WHERE I TALK ABOUT
THE PARADIGM SHIFT, THAT IT'S
00:43:36.78\00:43:40.98
NOT JUST GOING WITH THE LESSONS
AND NOT JUST HAVING THE SMALL
00:43:41.02\00:43:44.85
GROUP BIBLE STUDY BUT GETTING
TO KNOW THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE IN MY
00:43:44.89\00:43:51.43
NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU
KNOW, WE THINK TIME IS SHORT
00:43:51.46\00:43:54.46
AND JESUS US COMING. I
CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A SOCIAL
00:43:54.50\00:43:58.23
EVENT. I NEED A BIBLE STUDY TOO.
00:43:58.27\00:44:01.00
NO, NOT
NECESSARILY. GET TO KNOW PEOPLE.
00:44:01.04\00:44:03.51
LET THEM SEE YOU AS
YOU ARE AS A PERSON.
00:44:03.54\00:44:09.44
AND YOU CARE ABOUT THEM.
PEOPLE KNEW THAT JESUS CARED
00:44:09.48\00:44:13.98
ABOUT THEM. >> THAT'S GOOD.
00:44:14.02\00:44:19.29
LET'S TALK ABOUT - IN
YOUR MINISTRY, YOU'RE TRAVELING
00:44:19.32\00:44:23.29
AROUND THE WORLD, YOU'RE
MINISTERING AND EVEN THOUGH WE
00:44:23.32\00:44:26.39
ARE GOING TO SPECIFICALLY
SPEAK TO SOME PAIN AND THINGS -
00:44:26.43\00:44:31.27
DIFFICULT THINGS THAT WOMEN
ARE DEALING WITH, MEN DON'T TUNE
00:44:31.30\00:44:34.80
OUT, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HEAR.
IT'S THE SAME THING, REALLY.
00:44:34.84\00:44:37.81
MEN ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME
TYPES OF THINGS AND WE NEED TO
00:44:37.84\00:44:41.88
LEARN HOW TO
MINISTER TO PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
00:44:41.91\00:44:45.55
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD THE PROGRAM
"END IT NOW" IT BEGAN WITH WOMEN
00:44:45.58\00:44:55.92
MINISTRIES AND -
>> AND NOW IT'S EVERY
00:44:55.96\00:44:59.49
DEPARTMENT. WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT ABUSE IT
00:44:59.53\00:45:02.10
TALKS ABOUT EVERYBODY. 1-3
WOMEN EXPERIENCE IT GLOBALLY
00:45:02.13\00:45:07.30
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
MEN AREN'T ABUSED OR BOYS AREN'T
00:45:07.34\00:45:12.37
ABUSED OR AREN'T
OTHER ABUSIVE ISSUES.
00:45:12.41\00:45:14.28
IN OUR DEPARTMENT WE
FOCUS ON THESE SIX AREAS.
00:45:14.31\00:45:16.64
IF AND I COULD JUST KIND OF
GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY.
00:45:16.68\00:45:19.88
THE FIRST ONE IS ABUSE.
AND WE LOOK HOW CAN WE HELP
00:45:19.91\00:45:24.75
PEOPLE WHO ARE
DEALING WITH THIS.
00:45:24.79\00:45:26.92
THE SECOND ONE
IS HEALTH THREATS.
00:45:26.96\00:45:29.26
WOMEN EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT
THREATS TO THEIR HEALTH AND I
00:45:29.29\00:45:32.49
DON'T KNOW OF A WOMAN TODAY
WHO SAYS I DON'T HAVE ANY HEALTH
00:45:32.53\00:45:40.00
PROBLEMS. AND THE
THIRD ONE IS ILLITERACY.
00:45:40.04\00:45:43.91
BUT ANOTHER ILL - ILIT
TRASY. THE FOURTH ONE IS LACK OF
00:45:43.94\00:46:01.12
TRAINING. WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE STATISTICS,
00:46:01.16\00:46:05.29
WOMEN ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
PILE WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION.
00:46:05.33\00:46:08.36
FIFTH ONE IS POVERTY. OH
MY GOODNESS, THAT IS A GLOBAL
00:46:08.40\00:46:11.23
PROBLEM. THERE WAS
A TIME WHEN WE USED TO
00:46:11.27\00:46:13.64
THINK THIS IS A DEVELOPING WORLD
PROBLEM, IT'S A GLOBAL PROBLEM.
00:46:13.67\00:46:17.71
IT'S EVERYWHERE AND
FINALLY WOMEN'S WORK LOAD.
00:46:17.74\00:46:21.84
THE STATISTICS SAY WOMEN
DO 90% OF THE WORLD'S WORK.
00:46:21.88\00:46:26.82
EARN 10% OF THE WORLD'S PAY.
>> THAT'S AN AMAZING STATISTIC
00:46:26.85\00:46:34.46
TO US. >> THEY
WORK IN THE HOUSE AND IN
00:46:34.49\00:46:36.42
THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE CHURCH.
THEY HAVE A JOB AND YET NOBODY
00:46:36.46\00:46:44.97
CONSIDERS THAT THEY NEED
MORE THAN JUST WELL DONE.
00:46:45.00\00:46:48.10
THAT THEY NEED TO STOP, TO REST.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW A CHURCH IS,
00:46:48.14\00:46:54.84
FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK HOW MANY TIMES
IT'S THE WOMEN GET INVOLVED TO
00:46:54.88\00:46:57.81
GET THINGS DONE. LET'S
CLEAN THE CHURCH, LET'S DO
00:46:57.85\00:47:00.78
THIS AND THAT AND
THE WOMEN ARE THERE.
00:47:00.82\00:47:02.88
WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE STRUGGLES
THAT WOMEN HAVE ON A GLOBAL
00:47:02.92\00:47:09.32
BASIS THAT CAN BE
FOUND ANYWHERE YOU GO.
00:47:09.36\00:47:12.39
THESE ARE STRUGGLES THAT WE
DEAL WITH BUT THAT WOMEN IN THE
00:47:12.43\00:47:21.10
COMMUNITY DEAL WITH.
WHY SHOULD WE FEEL THAT LIFE
00:47:21.14\00:47:23.77
SHOULD BE EASY FOR US?
GOD GIVES US A TOUCH POINT.
00:47:23.81\00:47:30.65
BUT OUT OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH
GRIEVING FOR OUR A CHILD WHO
00:47:30.68\00:47:34.22
DIED, I HAVE A TOUCH POINT.
TO REACH OTHER WOMEN AND THE
00:47:34.25\00:47:40.46
INTERESTING THING IS IT'S GIVING
ME A TOUCH POINT TO REACH PEOPLE
00:47:40.49\00:47:43.83
WHO ARE GRIEVING.
YOU GO THROUGH THAT.
00:47:43.86\00:47:49.10
WHEN I TALKED TO YOU BEFORE
ABOUT MULTIPLE KNEE SURGERIES
00:47:49.13\00:47:52.33
THAT I HAVE HAD AND THE PAIN
THAT I HAVE HAD, I MEET SO MANY
00:47:52.37\00:47:57.07
PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WITH PAIN
DAILY SO IT GIVES ME A TOUCH
00:47:57.11\00:48:02.81
POINT. SO I CAN'T
SIT BACK AND THINK,
00:48:02.84\00:48:05.31
WELL GOD MUST KEEP THAT EDGE
COMPLETE I AROUND ME AND MAKE IT
00:48:05.35\00:48:09.88
A TEN FOOT CONCRETE WALL SO I
CAN BE PERFECTLY FINE AND THEN I
00:48:09.92\00:48:14.32
COULD REACH AS MANY
PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
00:48:14.36\00:48:16.39
NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
I'VE GOT TO BE REAL AND HAVE
00:48:16.42\00:48:25.43
COMPASSION. AND I
LOVE THAT FROM SECOND
00:48:25.47\00:48:31.67
CORINTHIANS ONE. GOD
WILL COMFORT US IN ALL OUR
00:48:31.71\00:48:35.48
SORROWS SO WE CAN
COMFORT SOMEONE ELSE.
00:48:35.51\00:48:37.81
WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY DOES
HE GIVE ME WHAT I NEED, BUT HE
00:48:37.85\00:48:41.32
GIVES ME OVERFLOWING
AND MORE THAN I NEED.
00:48:41.35\00:48:47.16
EVEN IN MY PAIN IT'S INTERESTING
BECAUSE PAUL DOESN'T SAY AFTER
00:48:47.19\00:48:50.93
HE'S COMFORTED YOU AND
EVERYTHING'S OVER AND YOU'RE
00:48:50.96\00:48:53.46
FEELING FINE, GOD'S GOING TO -
HE SAYS HE COMFORTS ME IN ALL MY
00:48:53.50\00:48:58.93
SORROWS SO THAT I
CAN COMFORT SOMEONE ELSE.
00:48:58.97\00:49:05.37
SO EVEN I RECEIVE COMFORT GOD
BRINGS PEOPLE IN MY LIFE THAT
00:49:05.41\00:49:08.54
ALSO NEED COMFORT AND THAT HELPS
ME WITH MY PAIN AND MY SITUATION
00:49:08.58\00:49:11.41
BECAUSE I'M
HELPING SOMEONE ELSE.
00:49:11.45\00:49:18.69
AS HIS LOVE THROWS
THROUGH ME IT'S WORKING IN ME.
00:49:18.72\00:49:24.19
AND IT'S HEALING. >>
YOU'VE BEEN VERY BRAVE - I
00:49:24.23\00:49:28.86
SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME WHEN I
INTERVIEWED YOU WHEN YOU TALKED
00:49:28.90\00:49:31.83
ABOUT YOUR DEPRESSION, BECAUSE
THERE IS STILL A STIGMA WHEN
00:49:31.87\00:49:39.11
SOMEONE MENTIONS ANY KIND
OF DEPRESSION OR MENTAL ILLNESS
00:49:39.14\00:49:45.51
THAT PEOPLE FEEL
LIKE, LET'S KEEP THIS QUIET.
00:49:45.55\00:49:50.39
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT
DEPRESSION AND FACT THAT YOU'RE
00:49:50.42\00:49:56.73
TAKING AN ANTI-DEPRESSANT WHICH
SOMETIMES PEOPLE - JUST AMAZES
00:49:56.76\00:50:00.86
ME. IT AMAZES ME
THAT IF SOMEONE IS
00:50:00.90\00:50:07.00
A DIABETIC, THEIR DIABETES
CANNOT BE CONTROLLED BECAUSE
00:50:07.04\00:50:10.41
THEY HAVE A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE
AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE INSULIN,
00:50:10.44\00:50:15.04
WE'LL ACCEPT THAT. IF
SOMEONE, HOWEVER, AND YOU
00:50:15.08\00:50:22.58
FIND OUT THEY'RE CLINICALLY
DEPRESSED AND YOU'RE TALKING
00:50:22.62\00:50:29.99
ABOUT TAKING SOME KIND
OF PRESCRIPTION DRUG AND
00:50:30.03\00:50:32.79
ANTI-DEPRESSANT IT'S
LIKE, YOU'RE NOT BEING A GOOD
00:50:32.83\00:50:44.37
CHRISTIAN IT'S AMAZING TO
ME FEWS WHEN WE ADDRESSED THIS
00:50:44.41\00:50:49.91
TOPIC PEOPLE FELT HOPE.
SOME PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH EVEN
00:50:49.94\00:50:53.11
ACTUALLY FELT HOPE FOR THE FIRST
TIME LIKE IT'S OKAY IF I DO
00:50:53.15\00:50:56.15
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
AND I KNOW YOU KNOW DR. NEIL
00:50:56.18\00:51:07.76
MAIDLY. YOU NEED
THE SUNSHINE AND YOU
00:51:07.80\00:51:10.43
NEED TO EAT WELL BUT IF YOUR
BRAIN ISN'T MAKING THE SEROTONIN
00:51:10.47\00:51:19.01
PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT YOU AND -
SO HE OFTEN FINDS IT NECESSARY
00:51:19.04\00:51:24.95
TO USE AN ANTI-DESPRESENT AND
GET PEOPLE IT TO A CERTAIN PLACE
00:51:24.98\00:51:28.98
WHERE THEY CAN
RESPOND TO OTHER TREATMENTS.
00:51:29.02\00:51:31.15
>> THAT'S THE WHOLE
THING AND PEOPLE DON'TND THAT.
00:51:31.19\00:51:33.46
WHEN YOU'RE DEPRESSED
YOU'RE IN A VERY DARK PLACE.
00:51:33.49\00:51:37.73
AND YOU KNOW WHO DO YOU TELL?
LAST NIGHT I WANTED TO TELL
00:51:37.76\00:51:40.70
MYSELF, WHO DO YOU SAY THAT TO?
>> I WORKED WITH LADY AND SHE
00:51:40.73\00:51:47.34
SUFFERED DEPRESSION AND I CAN
PRAISE GOD AND THANK HIM THAT I
00:51:47.37\00:51:51.51
NEVER SUFFERED DEPRESSION AND IF
YOU NEVER SUFFERED IT YOU DON'T
00:51:51.54\00:51:54.44
UNDERSTAND IT YOU AND
HAVE THE ATTITUDE, SUCK IT UP.
00:51:54.48\00:51:57.45
GET OVER IT. WHAT'S
WRONG WITH YOU BECAUSE
00:51:57.48\00:52:02.02
YOU NEVER SUFFERED IT. I
MET THIS WOMAN AND SHE WAS A
00:52:02.05\00:52:05.05
GODLY WOMAN AND THERE WOULD BE
TIMES SHE WOULD HAVE THE BLANK
00:52:05.09\00:52:07.72
LOOK IN HER EYES AND SHE DIDN'T
WANT TO FIX HER HAIR AND GET
00:52:07.76\00:52:13.46
HERSELF - SHE JUST WAS -
SHE HAD LOST HER COPING ABILITY.
00:52:13.50\00:52:18.87
I TOLD THE LORD BECAUSE I DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND, LORD, HELP ME TO
00:52:18.90\00:52:23.67
UNDERSTAND WHAT
SHE'S GOING THROUGH.
00:52:23.71\00:52:25.87
AND NOT FOR LONG, I'M GOING
TO SAY FOR A MINUTE OR TWO, THE
00:52:25.91\00:52:29.74
LORD TOOK ME TO HER PLACE TO
WHERE SHE WAS AND THAT WITH YOU
00:52:29.78\00:52:34.38
A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
IT WAS LIKE I WAS ENVELOPED IN
00:52:34.42\00:52:40.96
DARKNESS AND I
COULDN'T CLAW MY WAY OUT OF IT.
00:52:40.99\00:52:44.79
WELL THEN, I UNDERSTOOD AND
SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO HAVE -
00:52:44.83\00:52:49.93
YOU NEED TO EXPERIENCE WHAT
SOMEBODY'S GOING THROUGH BEFORE
00:52:49.96\00:52:54.30
YOU CAN REACH OUT AND
TOUCH THEM AND HELP THEM.
00:52:54.34\00:52:56.50
I KNOW SOMEONE WHO SUFFERS
DEPRESSION EXPRESSED IT TO ME.
00:52:56.54\00:53:01.74
THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE
GROSS, BUT HE SAID, YOU'RE IN
00:53:01.78\00:53:05.61
DEPRESSION AND SOMEBODY THINKS
YOU SHOULD JUST COME ON, GET
00:53:05.65\00:53:09.02
WITH THE PROGRAM. IT'S
LIKE HAVING DIARRHEA, A BAD
00:53:09.05\00:53:12.92
CASE OF IT. AND
SOMEBODY SAYING, YOU STOP
00:53:12.95\00:53:16.73
THAT. QUICK THAT RIGHT NOW.
00:53:16.76\00:53:18.09
LIKE YOU COULD DO
THAT. OF COURSE YOU CAN'T.
00:53:18.13\00:53:20.56
THE SAME IS TRUE. BUT
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE
00:53:20.60\00:53:28.24
AND HAVE COMPASSION AND THANK
GOD WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN TOUCH
00:53:28.27\00:53:32.07
US. >> AND IT IS
A BLESSING BECAUSE
00:53:32.11\00:53:34.64
WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT
LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU
00:53:34.68\00:53:38.11
GET TO THE DOCTOR AND THEY
DIAGNOSIS YOU AND THEN THEY PUT
00:53:38.15\00:53:42.75
YOU ON THAT MEDICATION, YOU
SUDDENLY SEE THE LIGHT AT THE
00:53:42.78\00:53:45.59
END OF THE TUNNEL. ALL
THE TIME YOU'RE WALKING
00:53:45.62\00:53:47.82
THROUGH THIS TUNNEL YOU AND KEEP
SAYING, THIS IS GOING TO END.
00:53:47.86\00:53:50.03
THIS IS GOING TO
END AND IT DOESN'T END.
00:53:50.06\00:53:52.66
IT DOESN'T END. AND
YOU JUST KEEP ON GOING AND
00:53:52.69\00:53:58.33
THEN THE MEDICATION COMES
IN. THINGS BEGIN TO CHANGE.
00:53:58.37\00:54:02.54
YOUR OUTLOOK ON LIFE CHANGES AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T WANT
00:54:02.57\00:54:05.41
TO BE BY YOURSELF ALL THE TIME
IN THE BED COVERED UP AWAY FROM
00:54:05.44\00:54:08.34
THE WORLD. YOU WANT
TO START RELATING TO
00:54:08.38\00:54:12.78
PEOPLE AND TALKING TO
PEOPLE AND LIVING LIFE AGAIN.
00:54:12.81\00:54:17.49
YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS
00:54:17.52\00:54:20.36
WHY I GUESS BECAUSE I'M SO
PASSIONATE ON THIS TOPIC OF
00:54:20.39\00:54:24.13
DEPRESSION, THAT WE CREATED AT
OUR OFFICE A SERIES OF SEMINARS
00:54:24.16\00:54:31.03
CALLED "THINKING WELL LIVING W
00:54:31.07\00:54:37.17
WELL" BECAUSE IF SOMETHING
HAPPENS HERE IT CAUSES PHYSICAL
00:54:37.21\00:54:41.54
PROBLEMS. IF THOSE
SERIES OF TEN SEMINARS
00:54:41.58\00:54:44.55
WE DEAL WITH ANXIETY
AND DEPRESSION AND ANGER AND
00:54:44.58\00:54:47.92
UNFORGIVENESS. >> ARE
THESE AVAILABLE TO THE
00:54:47.95\00:54:49.95
PUBLIC? >> THEY
ARE AVAILABLE TO THE
00:54:49.98\00:54:51.39
PUBLIC FROM OUR WEBSITE OR THEY
COULD E-MAIL US AND WE'LL GET IT
00:54:51.42\00:54:56.93
TO THEM. THEY
COULD GET IT ON CD OR GET
00:54:56.96\00:55:00.96
THE PRINTED VERSION. >>
WHY DON'T GO AHEAD AND GIVE
00:55:01.00\00:55:03.97
THE WEBSITE. >> THE WEBSITE IS
00:55:04.00\00:55:20.82
WWW.ADVENTISTOH
WOMENS MINISTRY.ORG
00:55:20.85\00:55:22.18
ADVENTISTWOMENS MINISTRY.ORG.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE
00:55:28.12\00:55:31.39
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO
00:55:31.43\00:55:36.26
AUTHENTIC. YOU'RE VERY GENUINE.
00:55:36.30\00:55:38.93
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK
THAT IT HELPS WHEN THE LORD
00:55:38.97\00:55:42.87
CALLED ME TO FULL-TIME MINISTRY,
ONE THING HE IMPRESSED UPON ME
00:55:42.90\00:55:47.24
BY THE POWER OF HIS SPIRIT
WAS THAT I COULDN'T - I HAD TO
00:55:47.28\00:55:54.08
MINISTER FROM THE REAL
PLACE TO TALK ABOUT MY PROBLEMS.
00:55:54.12\00:55:56.99
YOU KNOW, THAT'S
WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
00:55:57.02\00:55:59.52
WHEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT YOUR OWN PROBLEMS,
00:55:59.55\00:56:05.43
PEOPLE WILL BE ENCOURAGED.
WE ARE GOING TO JUST REALLY DIG
00:56:05.46\00:56:13.23
IN AND FIND OUT SOME MORE
THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
00:56:13.27\00:56:17.11
I HAD A THOUGHT. WE'RE
GETTING READY TO GO TO OUR
00:56:17.14\00:56:21.14
BREAK. THIS IS A LIVE PROGRAM.
00:56:21.18\00:56:23.31
THAT'S THE THOUGHT. [LAUGHTER]
00:56:23.35\00:56:25.31
>> MY BRAIN WENT IN
NEUTRAL FOR A MINUTE.
00:56:25.35\00:56:29.78
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00:56:29.82\00:56:33.86
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KEEP AT YOUR WORK AND SOMETHING
THAT HMS RICHARDS HAD ON HIS
00:56:48.94\00:56:53.58
OFFICE WALL AND SOMETHING I'M
SURE HE LOOKED AT QUITE OFTEN.
00:56:53.61\00:56:57.15
IT ENCOURAGES YOU TO STAY ABOUT
WHAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO
00:56:57.18\00:57:01.68
AND DON'T LET THE ENEMY SIDE
TRACK YOU WITH HIS TACTICS AND
00:57:01.72\00:57:08.52
HIS WAY OF DOING THINGS THAT
WOULD MAKE YOU STOP DOING THINGS
00:57:08.56\00:57:13.29
WHAT THEY CAUSED YOU TO DO.
IT'S FRAMEABLE AND BEAUTIFUL AND
00:57:13.33\00:57:17.47
ENCOURAGE YOU. >> YES, IT IS.
00:57:17.50\00:57:19.43
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00:57:34.15\00:57:36.38
JUST A FEW SECONDS.
SO PLEASE STAY TUNED.
00:57:36.42\00:57:39.62
AND GET YOUR
QUESTIONS IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:57:39.65\00:57:42.46