Hello, I'm Lance.
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And I'm Dwayne, and welcome
to another episode of TKS,
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a True Knowledge of Self,
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where we get to know ourselves
from a biblical perspective.
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We're grateful that you
have joined with us today,
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and we have
something in store for you.
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We have been going through
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a comparison of
the hip-hop culture,
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and the culture of Christianity,
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and seeing if the principles
that govern a hip-hop culture
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from its
pillars, to its elements,
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as well as to
looking at the pillars
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of the Christian faith,
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the things that
make us Christians.
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And as we compared the two,
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we began to see that
there's a tremendous contrast
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rather than a harmony
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which basically is helping us
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to see thus far
in all the episodes
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that we've done
that hip-hop culture
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is something that
cannot truly be endorsed
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by the word of God.
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Because over, and
over, and over again
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as we looked at
its various tenets,
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we looked at the pillars
of love, and peace, and unity,
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and safely having fun,
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we looked at
the various elements
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from DJing breaking
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and, of course,
the graffiti writing,
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and the MCing,
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and the fifth element
of so-called knowledge,
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understanding, and wisdom.
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And as we began to
compare these principles
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with the word of God,
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we began to see a
tremendous contrast.
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And let God be
true and all men liars,
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the Bible lets us
know this principle.
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So because of this,
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it is important
for us to see that,
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as we're studying,
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there are lots of
things that's happening
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in this worldwide
influential culture of hip-hop
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that is meeting the
minds of many young people
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as well as old.
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It has hit every area of
life from the poor to the rich,
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and everything in between.
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And it's because of this,
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that we wanted to put
these programs together
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to be an
enlightenment to God's people,
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to help us to
understand the words of God,
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and what God requires of us.
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And we've been
going through this
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but today, Lance,
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we have some things
that we gotta cover...
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Yeah. That's pretty eye-opening.
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There's some things happening
right now that's a bit exciting
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but also can be very concerning.
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And there is something
happening in hip-hop culture.
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We've been doing
all these comparisons
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and seeing that,
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you know, hip-hop
culture and Christian culture
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do not blend at
all, quite honestly.
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Yet, there are many individuals
that are having an experience
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that sometimes you know
it reminds me to a degree
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of the experience
of the Apostle Paul.
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Now, the Apostle Paul
was part of a movement
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that was very much antichrist,
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you know, when you look
at the system of Judaism
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and all of the corruptions
that crept within it,
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in the time of the
Apostle Paul when he was Saul,
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you know, he was an
instrument of persecution,
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he was an
instrument of putting down
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and all these things.
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But we know the
story in the Bible.
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The Bible lets us know that
when Paul was on Damascus road,
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he had a contact with Jesus.
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And as he had that
contact with Christ,
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his life was never the same.
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There are
individuals, we're discovering,
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that actually are in
hip-hop, that are doing things,
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teaching things,
demonstrating things,
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exemplifying things
that are against the Bible,
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that are against Christianity.
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Yet, many of these individuals
have gotten to a place
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where they are saying
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they've come in
contact with Jesus.
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They're saying that
they've come in contact
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with the Lord.
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And we are not individuals
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that can judge
these people and say,
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"Oh, they're
acting or they're fake."
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We don't know their hearts.
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So these people, we can
assume are very, very sincere,
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yet, they still
maintain hip-hop culture.
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So what we're seeing now
is amalgamation taking place,
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a blending of
hip-hop and gospel.
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And that's what we're
gonna be talking about
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for the next few episodes is,
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you know, the
concept of "Gospel Hip-hop".
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Is it something that God
can endorse because of the fact
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that individuals are
seeing hip-hop as something
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that is not of God?
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Well, hey, what
if I can take it,
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and what if I can,
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you know, baptize it,
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if you will
with Christian lyrics
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and now make it something
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that would be acceptable to God?
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And we're finding that
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this is effecting
the lives of many artists
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that are, you know,
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real prominent in
hip-hop culture today.
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And we're gonna
talk about some of them.
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So, you know, what are
some of your thoughts on this?
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You know, "Hip-hop Gospel",
what does God say about it?
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Is it something
that God can endorse,
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not, and why?
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And we're gonna take a
look at some of the examples
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of some prominent
leaders in hip-hop culture today
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that are, you know,
starting to accept Christ,
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but yet still
pushing forward hip-hop.
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Can it really succeed?
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Can it really work?
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Absolutely not.
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I mean, to put it simply,
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we're gonna spend the next
couple of our few episodes,
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you know, dealing
with this subject.
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We wanna just set the tone
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by just taking a look at
some clips of individuals,
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some prominent, some, you know,
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in their prime
pastor, prime what have you,
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that are
professing Christianity.
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Professing Christianity,
yet at the same time,
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kind of hallmarks
for hip-hop culture.
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And the question has
to, you know, be settled.
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The question that
has to be answered is,
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"Can you blend the two?"
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This is what you've
posed, this is what I'm asking,
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and we both had to go
through this experience.
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That's right.
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Could coming out
of hip-hop culture
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and embracing the cross,
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embracing the
gospel, embracing God's word,
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could we continue down the road
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in embracing all the
aspects of hip-hop culture
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and grow as
Christians, and continue to,
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you know, come out of the world
we're in and into, you know,
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His marvelous
light, out of the darkness
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into His marvelous light?
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And the answer,
in our experience,
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we saw it was clearly no.
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And since that point,
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we've come to see
exactly why that can't be true
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and that's what
we'll be talking about that
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in future episodes.
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So what I wanna do is,
you know, go into a clip.
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We're gonna be
looking at an individual
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who had an interview
by the name of Kanye West.
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Most people, you
know, in the world...
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Anybody who is in
hip-hop culture knows
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who Kanye West for sure.
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And he is a prominent
pop figure, so it's not like,
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you know, most people in
a cross cultural boundaries
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know who he is.
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So we're gonna
look at an interview
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that was done
from by Kanye West.
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And I think this
is his mother-in-law
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at this point, right?
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Yeah.
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And so let's see
what he has to say
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as it relates to Christianity.
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And then we're gonna
talk about a little bit
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'cause we got a couple
more to look at as well,
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so let's go to the clip.
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Tell me about this
bracelet you have on.
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Actually, Rob gave me this.
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And this is just
What Would Jesus Do.
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And I love that
it's just such a cool...
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I like that.
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..bracelet and, you know,
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I'm a Christian
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and I wanted to just
always let people know
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that that's what's on my mind,
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that's...
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It's important to you. Yeah.
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It's important to me
that, you know, that I grow,
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you know, and walk,
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and raise my family
with Christian values.
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And I don't know if it's
right to say on TV but...
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Yes, of course, it is.
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Now when we look at a
clip like this, you know,
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you're saying to yourself,
"He has emphatically stated,
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'I am a Christian."
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Yeah.
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And he wants to
have Christian values
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brought into his home.
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Yet at the same time,
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he is part of a
culture that is anti-Christian.
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It is against the
principles of Christ.
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It is literally
against the very words of God.
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Now the question
is, does he know that?
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And we don't know right now.
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I mean, you know,
I haven't seen anyone
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interview him on that level.
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I'm sure there's a lot of people
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that will look at this,
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and lots of opinions
are gonna be developed,
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some good, some
bad, some indifferent.
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Nevertheless, we're taking
what he said for face value.
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There are individuals
that actually can believe
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they are doing
the service of God
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and at the same
time be against God.
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And that's why I
preface this whole thing,
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talking about Saul.
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You know, Saul in his mind,
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he was for God
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even when he
literally was ordering
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Christians to be killed,
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to be slaughtered, and
to destroy the way of life
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which was known as Christianity.
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So it is possible
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that individuals
can be grossly deceived,
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yet have very sincere motives.
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And I don't have a problem
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putting Kanye
West in that category
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based on what
his own testimony is.
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I can clearly see
things that he does or says
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that I can say, "Hey,
that's not even minutely
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in accordance
with the word of God.
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Yet, I don't know.
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Are you doing it maliciously?
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Are you doing it ignorantly?"
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I'm not in the man's mind.
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I'm not in his
heart. I can't read that.
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But what we're doing is
looking at the broader picture.
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There's a picture that is
being painted to the world
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and the picture that
is being painted to world
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is that hip-hop culture
and Christianity are all right.
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They can work
together, it's all good.
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And when programs
like this come out
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with such
prominent figures in hip-hop,
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it's having a
very deceptive effect
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on the millions, and
millions of beholders
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that are watching
these types of programs
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and that are followers
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of a major
hip-hop artist like this.
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So this is why we have
to address this question,
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the gospel of
hip-hop or hip-hop gospel,
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can the two go together?
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You know, what
does God say about it?
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And that's why we're
looking at these types of clips
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so that we can let the world see
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that this is what's
being presented right now.
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And it's being
presented more and more
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on a daily,
monthly, and yearly basis.
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So these are some
things that we have to pay
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really close attention to.
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Absolutely.
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And we're just gonna go
right into the next clip
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'cause there's another artist.
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I don't know if he
has music out right now.
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I know he was
popular back in the '90s,
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very popular in the '90s.
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But he also has
his own testimony
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as it relates to Christianity.
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So let's go, we're
talking about Ja Rule now.
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And we're gonna go
ahead to that clip.
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Okay.
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And that moved me to say,
"You know what, now I get it.
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I can accept God into my life,
and let him come into my life,
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" because from
what you're saying
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and from what I see,
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if I do this,
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you're not asking me to
make gospel records tomorrow.
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It's a walk, you
know, it's taking baby steps
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and I get to take them
steps at my own pace, you know,
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I'm not saying I'm perfect,
not saying I'm changed more,
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but I'm making that step
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and they're
accepting me as I am.
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And so that moved
me to do that, man...
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Wow, man.
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Now, once again,
this is situation
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where we're gonna
take this man at his word
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that he's being
sincere and genuine.
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We're not gonna
bash this brother at all.
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The question is, if, you know,
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give a little
context to the statement
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that he was making and how
he gave his heart to the Lord
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and he's, you
know, making baby steps
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and transitions,
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he's talking about how he
kind of did a church tour,
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and he was
reluctant to involve himself
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with the church.
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And as he kept visiting churches
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and visiting churches,
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he was having
negative experiences.
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And he wasn't feeling
like he was part of the group,
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if you will.
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And so he was
kind of turned off.
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But he visited a
church, a particular church,
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I believe in New
York City in Manhattan,
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I believe that was
like a kind of, like a,
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I don't know, almost
like a hip-hop church.
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We're gonna look at,
when I say hip-hop church,
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what we mean.
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But he went to a church
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that was pretty much
completely culturally
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kind of like pop
culture, you know,
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quasi hip-hop culture,
but it was a Christian church,
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if that makes any sense.
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We'll look at the examples,
we'll see that clearly.
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And he said when he
entered that church,
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he felt comfortable.
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And then that
led him, and he said
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that the pastor came
out with like a T-shirt,
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and jeans, and
tattoos all on him,
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you know, on his arms.
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And he started
preaching the word and that's...
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and he started to listen
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because he saw
other celebrities there,
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he saw this, you know,
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kind of a person
that looks like him.
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And he felt this environment
that just made it, you know,
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friendly and he began
to attend that church,
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and now he's
ready to give his heart
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to the Lord because of this.
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Now there's nothing wrong.
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Every church would be
a warm atmosphere, right?
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We talked about that
in the previous episode
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that we can't...
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We gotta to take
people as they are,
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but that doesn't
mean you can give them
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the same sinful culture
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that they're
trying to come out of.
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I remember, when I
came out of the world,
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I didn't wanna
come into the church
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and get the same thing I
was getting in the world.
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I mean, you want
a contrast. Right.
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So the issue is
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not that you have
individuals coming to the Lord,
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that's what we want.
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The question is,
"What presentation
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or representation of the
word are they being given?"
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That's right.
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And are they being
given this false idea
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that God does not care,
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that God wants you to be saved,
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but He doesn't
care how you live?
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Right.
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Or you can set the terms
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rather than God
setting the terms.
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That was the
interesting point is that
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it is true that individuals
grow at different paces.
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That is true. Yes.
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I appreciate the fact that
he is saying, "Well, you know,
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" he said, "They didn't ask me
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to make a
gospel record tomorrow,
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they allowed me to grow up
on my own pace, " etcetera.
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There's a danger in that though
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because the Bible is
clear of how one comes to Christ
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and what the exchange is.
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The Bible says in
2 Corinthians 5:17,
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"Therefore if
any man be in Christ,
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he is a new creature,
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old things are passed away.
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Behold, all
things are become new."
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So the Bible teaches that
when a person comes to Christ,
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you're entering into a new life,
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there's a lot
entailed in that new life,
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and you will need to grow.
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And that growth is based on
a lot of different variables
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but there is a definite
acknowledgement of old things.
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And when we come to Christ,
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we must allow those
old things to become dead.
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It has to become past.
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And it is very concerning,
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and we're gonna see
in the real marked way,
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that the churches of
today are not doing the job
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that Jesus has commissioned
the disciples to do.
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Jesus said unto the disciples
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when they would set up churches,
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"Go, ye, therefore
and teach all nations,
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baptizing them in the
name of the Father, Son,
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and Holy Ghost."
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But then it says,
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"Teaching them to
observe all things
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whatsoever I've commanded you."
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So the Bible is very clear.
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In the Book of Acts 2,
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when the people
heard the gospel message,
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it says right
there in verse 37 and 38.
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"Now when they heard this,
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they were
pricked in their heart,
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and said unto Peter
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and to the rest of the apostles,
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men and
brethren, what shall we do?
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And then Peter
said unto them repent.
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And be baptized every one of you
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in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins,
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and ye shall receive
the gift of the Holy Ghost."
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So the Bible teaches that
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when an
individual comes to Christ,
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when they've
realized their sinfulness
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and their need for the Savior,
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they're saying,
"What should we do?"
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Peter didn't say,
"Just get baptized."
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He says, "You gotta repent."
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And to repent is to turn away.
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Well, turn away from what?
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The thing that separated
you from God, which is sin.
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So there's a problem
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that's happening in
pastoral leadership,
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that's happening in
many churches today,
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that they are making it appear
as if hip-hop culture is okay.
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And we're gonna see
this in a, disappointingly,
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and I'm just gonna say,
disgustingly real manner
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of what we're seeing
happening in the churches today
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as it relates to this concept
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of holy hip-hop, hip-hop gospel,
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and all these things.
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And therefore, I look
at people like Ja Rule.
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I look at people like Kanye West
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and some of them.
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While many will
call them victimizers,
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I also believe they're victims.
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I believe they have
been given a false gospel.
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And the Bible makes it clear
that not all gospels are equal.
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And if that was the case,
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Paul would not have said
what he said in Galatians 1.
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In Galatians 1:6,
the Apostle Paul says
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something that
caused even him to marvel.
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He was in...
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He was writing a
letter to brethren
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in the church of Galatia.
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And he got wind,
he heard about things
00:15:53.82\00:15:56.32
that was
happening in the church,
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that was causing
people to come away
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from the true gospel.
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And here's what he said.
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He said in Galatians 1:6,
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"I marvel that you are
so soon removed from Him
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that called you
into the grace of Christ
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unto another gospel,
which is not another,
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but there be
some that trouble you,
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and would pervert
the gospel of Christ."
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There were individuals,
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who has taken the pure
and they were tainting it.
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They were putting things
in it and what happened was,
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it became perverted.
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And the reality of
those who perverted the gospel
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is spelled out
in verses 8 and 9.
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Paul then goes on
to say, "But though we,
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or an angel from heaven,
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preach any other
gospel unto you than
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that which we have preached
unto you, let him be accursed.
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As was said
before, so say I now again,
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if any man preach
any other gospel unto you
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than that ye have
received, let him be accursed."
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So God makes it clear that
He hates perverted gospels.
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And when an
individual can believe,
00:16:51.17\00:16:53.78
"I can continue practicing
my sin and at my own pace,
00:16:53.81\00:16:58.35
I can just, kind of,
grow out of it when I will,
00:16:58.38\00:17:00.92
and still have a
successful relationship
00:17:00.95\00:17:03.25
with the Lord, " that
is bona fide deception.
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That's like me
saying that, you know,
00:17:05.62\00:17:07.22
a man can cheat on his
wife and have another woman.
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And then one day,
00:17:09.99\00:17:11.33
when he wants to
get back with his wife,
00:17:11.36\00:17:12.69
he's gonna try to work
things out with his wife
00:17:12.73\00:17:14.43
but he's still gonna
hold on to the other sister
00:17:14.46\00:17:16.16
and wean himself off of her
00:17:16.20\00:17:18.40
until he's just ready
to give her up one day.
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Now, no woman with common sense
00:17:21.14\00:17:22.47
at least would ever
agree to such an agreement
00:17:22.50\00:17:24.61
but we expect God to be
dumb down to such a point
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that He will agree
to such an agreement.
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God hates sin, it
breaks up the relationship
00:17:28.64\00:17:30.91
with those whom he
loved and whom he died for.
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And he wants us to
be separated from that
00:17:32.88\00:17:34.85
and Christ has
enough power to deliver us.
00:17:34.88\00:17:37.32
We don't, but Jesus does.
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But that message has to come
across to these precious souls,
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these brothers
here to let them know,
00:17:41.62\00:17:43.29
"Guys, you can't hold on to this
00:17:43.32\00:17:46.09
and hold on to
Jesus at the same time."
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It does not work.
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And that's the key,
00:17:49.40\00:17:50.73
it's going to lead to
normally is one of two things.
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Either you're
gonna have an individual
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who practices
this kind of, you know,
00:17:55.84\00:17:59.04
circular Christianity
where they're kind of,
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you know, close to
God, far away from God,
00:18:01.48\00:18:03.35
close to God and
literally, that will create
00:18:03.38\00:18:05.31
a psychological
emotional problem
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where you will
begin to feel guilt,
00:18:08.42\00:18:12.02
and remorse,
and, you know, stress,
00:18:12.05\00:18:14.16
associated relationship
with God and eventually,
00:18:14.19\00:18:16.12
you're just gonna cut it off.
00:18:16.16\00:18:17.49
You eventually gonna
find yourself as quickly,
00:18:17.53\00:18:20.16
and as faithfully as you
gave your heart to the Lord
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and came into the church,
00:18:22.43\00:18:23.77
you'll do that on
your way out the door.
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Because you won't see the value,
00:18:26.27\00:18:27.60
you won't see the power.
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There'll be no power in
that form of Christianity
00:18:29.00\00:18:31.04
because you are
trying to mingle the profane
00:18:31.07\00:18:34.18
and the sacred.
00:18:34.21\00:18:35.54
And then there's
the other side of it
00:18:35.58\00:18:37.05
where you'll just
become a cultural Christian,
00:18:37.08\00:18:39.65
meaning you'll hold on
to some cultural norms,
00:18:39.68\00:18:43.02
you, you know,
go through a ritual,
00:18:43.05\00:18:46.09
a religious ritual like baptism.
00:18:46.12\00:18:47.76
You might attend church
here and there when you're able.
00:18:47.79\00:18:50.76
You might pray
before you eat, you know,
00:18:50.79\00:18:52.49
you might get your
kids into the church.
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I mean, there's
little things that you do
00:18:54.80\00:18:56.36
but it's simply
just a cultural practice
00:18:56.40\00:18:58.40
just like, you
know, anything else.
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And again, with that
form of Christianity,
00:19:00.80\00:19:02.97
there's no power.
00:19:03.00\00:19:04.34
That's right. There's no power.
00:19:04.37\00:19:05.71
And you know, it
reminds me of a story
00:19:05.74\00:19:07.08
in the Book of Isaiah.
00:19:07.11\00:19:08.44
In Isaiah 3:16-26, God
began to strongly rebuke
00:19:08.48\00:19:11.98
what was known as the
Haughty Daughters of Zion.
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They, unfortunately,
were the people of God,
00:19:14.32\00:19:16.28
the women of God,
00:19:16.32\00:19:17.65
but they were more
consumed with their looks in men
00:19:17.69\00:19:19.92
and all these other things
00:19:19.95\00:19:21.29
that they began to
do all sorts of stuff.
00:19:21.32\00:19:22.66
They dwelt themselves up
00:19:22.69\00:19:24.03
and smother themselves
with all these perfumes.
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I mean, they did
everything possible
00:19:25.86\00:19:27.23
to just grab a man.
00:19:27.26\00:19:28.60
And God began to
give very strong rebukes
00:19:28.63\00:19:31.37
because of this vanity
that they were practicing.
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Well, then in Isaiah 4,
00:19:34.64\00:19:35.97
continuing from that as
God was given the rebukes
00:19:36.00\00:19:38.04
in Isaiah 3, in
Isaiah 4, he goes on to say,
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"And in that day seven women
shall take hold of one man,
00:19:41.58\00:19:44.98
saying, we will
eat our own bread,
00:19:45.01\00:19:47.45
and wear our own apparel,
00:19:47.48\00:19:49.08
only let us be
called by thy name,
00:19:49.12\00:19:52.35
to take away our reproach."
00:19:52.39\00:19:54.29
And the same way that we
can look at this literal story
00:19:54.32\00:19:56.42
of what was
happening with these women,
00:19:56.46\00:19:57.79
they basically lost their senses
00:19:57.83\00:19:59.29
and they were consumed
with the acquiring of men
00:19:59.33\00:20:02.76
even at the compromise of
their relationship with God.
00:20:02.80\00:20:05.67
A woman can also prophetically
represent a church.
00:20:05.70\00:20:09.20
It can represent people
00:20:09.24\00:20:10.74
who claim to know
God and worship God.
00:20:10.77\00:20:12.97
And what God can say to us
00:20:13.01\00:20:14.61
is also the same
principle He said to these woman
00:20:14.64\00:20:17.25
that there are a
lot of church people,
00:20:17.28\00:20:19.98
a lot of so-called
Christians at least,
00:20:20.02\00:20:22.18
that are going around
saying, "You know what,
00:20:22.22\00:20:23.95
I'm gonna eat my own
bread, I'm gonna do what I want,
00:20:23.99\00:20:26.76
but I still want to be
called by Your right name.
00:20:26.79\00:20:29.09
I still want You to
take away my reproach.
00:20:29.12\00:20:31.43
It's all right
that Jesus is my Savior.
00:20:31.46\00:20:33.60
Just don't start bothering
me and trying to be my Lord,
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don't start
telling me what to do,
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when to do, and how to do."
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And this is literally
popular Christianity today.
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So there is a lot of
the nominal Christianity
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as you're talking about it
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where individuals
wanna eat their own bread,
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they wanna do their own thing
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but they still wanna
be called by God's name.
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They still want that benefit.
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And, in fact, we find
that there was another artist
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that we can
look at very quickly.
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You know, another
major hip-hop artist
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at one time,
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and then walked
away to follow Christ,
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but now has come back
to the hip-hop culture,
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and is again
getting ready to, you know,
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release the albums
and do all these things
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in powerful way.
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And not only that,
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he left hip-hop
to become a pastor,
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I mean, he started a ministry,
he had several churches,
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and he was, you
know, "Successful Pastor".
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And then he
came back to hip-hop.
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And, you know, and then he
went back to being a pastor.
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And now, you
know, officially I guess
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he's rejecting the ministry
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and he's now going
back full time into hip-hop,
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and to be a rapper.
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And we're talking about Mase.
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He was very popular
back in the '90s with,
00:21:36.42\00:21:38.93
you know, Sean Combs
whatever they call him now.
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P. Diddy. Yeah, Bad Boy Records.
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And he left and
came back as Murda Mase
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and he came back, you
know, just a lot of issues.
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And now he's in this interview,
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fielding some of these questions
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of some of his critics.
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So I guess, let's go ahead
00:21:54.68\00:21:56.01
and let's take a
look at this clip as well
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and let's, you know, continue
to build in our discussion.
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How do you deal
with the criticism
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that people say,
"You can't be a rapper,
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and listen and
rap about these things
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and then at the same
time, be a man of God,
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speaking and
preaching to the choir."
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How do you deal
with that criticism?
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I don't.
00:22:11.29\00:22:13.36
I believe
everybody have the right
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to their own opinion.
00:22:14.83\00:22:16.16
I believe when
you're a trailblazer,
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you take the
lashes for everybody else
00:22:17.63\00:22:21.44
to be able to do
something freely.
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You know, when you see
things before it happens,
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that's when a
future belongs to you.
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When you can see it,
and you can go towards it,
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and you can obtain it.
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And now looking
back, somebody say,
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"Well, how can you do
this and how can you do that?"
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It's a real simple
answer because I can.
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If I couldn't, I wouldn't.
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And you know what's interesting
both things that you do...
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And I don't mean
that in arrogant way.
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It's just I have
the ability to do it.
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I got to hold a
conversation on both realms.
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I think that's a testament
that hip-hop artist embodies
00:22:49.43\00:22:55.00
more than just the way people
will like to place us like,
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you take a guy
like Jay Z, he did music
00:22:57.71\00:23:00.54
but didn't he went
on to be a businessman?
00:23:00.58\00:23:02.84
And people praised it
even though he was a rapper,
00:23:02.88\00:23:05.75
50 Cents, went on to do stuff.
00:23:05.78\00:23:07.95
And he is a rapper
and they praised him.
00:23:07.98\00:23:09.65
And Puff Daddy
went on to sell liquor
00:23:09.68\00:23:13.02
and everything else
and they praised it.
00:23:13.05\00:23:15.02
So why, when it comes to me,
00:23:15.06\00:23:17.16
being able to be a
rapper and something else,
00:23:17.19\00:23:19.49
all of the backlash?
00:23:19.53\00:23:20.90
It's kind of ignorant.
00:23:20.93\00:23:22.26
There's kind of similarity too
00:23:22.30\00:23:23.63
between
preaching and entertaining
00:23:23.67\00:23:25.70
in a weird way.
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Does it ever
helped you with, you know,
00:23:27.10\00:23:28.80
have your history onstage
00:23:28.84\00:23:30.84
help you become
a better preacher,
00:23:30.87\00:23:32.61
giving sermons.
00:23:32.64\00:23:33.98
And the same way,
00:23:34.01\00:23:35.34
did it help you to
become a better rapper
00:23:35.38\00:23:36.71
with knowing how to, you know,
00:23:36.75\00:23:38.08
take these messages
and write them better?
00:23:38.11\00:23:39.45
I think for me, the reason
why people get upset with me
00:23:39.48\00:23:43.52
because they
don't really know me,
00:23:43.55\00:23:45.79
they have to get to know me.
00:23:45.82\00:23:47.32
Because just like you mentioned,
00:23:47.36\00:23:48.82
a preacher like,
00:23:48.86\00:23:50.19
I don't look at
myself as a preacher
00:23:50.23\00:23:51.59
but that's the way
people would title it
00:23:51.63\00:23:54.90
as I look at
myself as a teacher.
00:23:54.93\00:23:56.77
A preacher is like a
guy who yells, and moans,
00:23:56.80\00:23:59.77
and sing and I don't do that.
00:23:59.80\00:24:01.27
A teacher just comes in and say,
00:24:01.30\00:24:02.94
"A, you wanna get to B
this is how you get there."
00:24:02.97\00:24:06.07
And then I'm done.
00:24:06.11\00:24:07.44
And you can do it on both
ends from music to the church?
00:24:07.48\00:24:09.48
Yeah.
00:24:09.51\00:24:10.85
So this is not a situation
where we're going to, again,
00:24:10.88\00:24:14.12
bash an individual.
00:24:14.15\00:24:15.48
Right.
00:24:15.52\00:24:16.85
We're gonna say this is a man,
00:24:16.89\00:24:18.22
we're gonna
take him at his word,
00:24:18.25\00:24:19.89
but there's several problems
with some of the conclusions
00:24:19.92\00:24:22.99
that he's drawn,
00:24:23.02\00:24:24.36
at least in this
interview and statements
00:24:24.39\00:24:25.76
that he's making.
00:24:25.79\00:24:27.66
We don't have time to go
back through the whole history
00:24:27.70\00:24:29.53
but, you know, several instances
00:24:29.56\00:24:31.30
in which he went into ministry,
00:24:31.33\00:24:33.00
came back into
the music industry,
00:24:33.03\00:24:35.34
went back into ministry,
00:24:35.37\00:24:36.71
came back and now
he's finally coming back
00:24:36.74\00:24:38.07
into the music industry.
00:24:38.11\00:24:39.91
And the questions that
the interviewer is giving
00:24:39.94\00:24:41.84
are very straight forward.
00:24:41.88\00:24:43.21
I mean, what do you
say about to your critics
00:24:43.24\00:24:45.58
that are criticizing this idea
that you can kind of do both?
00:24:45.61\00:24:49.48
And ultimately,
he says, "Listen,
00:24:49.52\00:24:50.85
I can do both because I can.
00:24:50.89\00:24:52.65
I mean, I can see the future.
00:24:52.69\00:24:54.79
I think we all should
have this freedom to do
00:24:54.82\00:24:57.59
what we want to do,
do what we need to do."
00:24:57.63\00:25:00.13
And it doesn't...
00:25:00.16\00:25:01.83
It's an answer
00:25:01.86\00:25:03.83
that is not based on
scripture or God's word.
00:25:03.87\00:25:07.37
It's just an answer
based on what you think.
00:25:07.40\00:25:10.07
And what you have concluded
is right and true and just.
00:25:10.11\00:25:14.11
And so I think
this is, ultimately,
00:25:14.14\00:25:16.54
where we are gonna
have to give people
00:25:16.58\00:25:18.01
the benefit of the doubt
00:25:18.05\00:25:19.38
and just assume
that they don't know.
00:25:19.41\00:25:21.38
Whoever was teaching them,
whoever their mentors were,
00:25:21.42\00:25:23.79
whatever minister, you know,
00:25:23.82\00:25:25.25
mentored them and they
didn't teach them the truth.
00:25:25.29\00:25:28.52
They just gave them,
you know, man's opinion
00:25:28.56\00:25:31.89
or man's
interpretation of what God says.
00:25:31.93\00:25:34.36
And that has led
them to this area
00:25:34.40\00:25:36.70
where they can draw
such false conclusions.
00:25:36.73\00:25:39.30
There is no situation
in which a man can be both
00:25:39.33\00:25:43.71
a minister of the
gospel and a gun-play,
00:25:43.74\00:25:47.61
murder-talk, you
know, money, you know...
00:25:47.64\00:25:51.65
What is it that...
00:25:51.68\00:25:53.52
I don't even wanna
mention some of the songs
00:25:53.55\00:25:54.88
they used to have.
00:25:54.92\00:25:56.25
But, you know, that idea
that you're a gangster thug,
00:25:56.28\00:25:58.79
you know, killer
and at the same time,
00:25:58.82\00:26:00.89
you're a minister.
00:26:00.92\00:26:02.26
It just can't, it doesn't mix.
00:26:02.29\00:26:03.63
I don't know, you can explain it
00:26:03.66\00:26:04.99
in whichever way you want.
00:26:05.03\00:26:06.36
So these are some
of the real problems
00:26:06.39\00:26:08.46
that we have and
what we're gonna do,
00:26:08.50\00:26:10.60
you know, is,
00:26:10.63\00:26:12.87
when moving
forward in future episodes,
00:26:12.90\00:26:14.70
we're gonna look at
how this has now bridged
00:26:14.74\00:26:18.84
into the church.
00:26:18.87\00:26:20.21
So we looked at industry heads
00:26:20.24\00:26:22.68
that have made
Christian profession,
00:26:22.71\00:26:24.78
then we looked at one
who was with one hand in
00:26:24.81\00:26:27.62
and one hand out
both church and industry.
00:26:27.65\00:26:30.15
And now we're gonna see
00:26:30.19\00:26:31.52
what it looks
like in the church.
00:26:31.55\00:26:33.12
And I think to do
this thing, a real service,
00:26:33.15\00:26:35.99
we're gonna have to look
at a little bit of history.
00:26:36.02\00:26:37.56
Yeah. And we're
gonna look at that as well.
00:26:37.59\00:26:39.93
Where does this
whole thing come from?
00:26:39.96\00:26:42.03
Where does it originate?
00:26:42.06\00:26:43.40
Because, ultimately, you
have to answer the question,
00:26:43.43\00:26:47.80
do genres, do
musical genres really matter?
00:26:47.84\00:26:50.57
Or is genre is
completely neutral,
00:26:50.61\00:26:53.11
and whatever words
are put to that music
00:26:53.14\00:26:54.94
is what is reality?
00:26:54.98\00:26:56.31
We're gonna
answer those questions.
00:26:56.34\00:26:57.68
Yeah, and it has to be answered
00:26:57.71\00:26:59.05
because that is
where we are today.
00:26:59.08\00:27:00.62
This is a present issue
00:27:00.65\00:27:02.48
and what is
needed is present truth
00:27:02.52\00:27:04.22
to address those issues.
00:27:04.25\00:27:05.75
And thank God, the Lord has it.
00:27:05.79\00:27:07.66
You know, friends, we have gone
through several video clips,
00:27:07.69\00:27:10.83
we've looked at
concepts and ideas,
00:27:10.86\00:27:12.49
and we're comparing
them with the word of God.
00:27:12.53\00:27:14.80
And as, you know,
there's always deeper,
00:27:14.83\00:27:16.53
there's more that we can do.
00:27:16.56\00:27:18.23
And that's why we
have the continuation
00:27:18.27\00:27:19.63
of our episodes where we build,
00:27:19.67\00:27:21.04
and build, and build, and build.
00:27:21.07\00:27:22.77
But I am hoping that
your eyes are opening
00:27:22.80\00:27:25.44
and seeing the comparison
00:27:25.47\00:27:27.31
between hip-hop
culture and Christian culture,
00:27:27.34\00:27:29.71
and seeing the efforts now
of trying to blend the two.
00:27:29.74\00:27:33.55
This is not by accident,
00:27:33.58\00:27:35.08
it was something that
was prophesied in principle,
00:27:35.12\00:27:37.82
and we're gonna see it unfold
00:27:37.85\00:27:39.45
more and more as we dig
deeper in our further episodes.
00:27:39.49\00:27:42.92
So continue to keep studying,
00:27:42.96\00:27:44.46
continue to keep
seeking the Lord,
00:27:44.49\00:27:46.16
and letting His
word and His will be done
00:27:46.19\00:27:48.66
in your life rather than our own
00:27:48.70\00:27:50.53
and living by our own words.
00:27:50.57\00:27:52.07
And until then,
00:27:52.10\00:27:53.44
remember the wonderful words
00:27:53.47\00:27:55.70
which tells us, "It is
the Lord that gives wisdom
00:27:55.74\00:27:58.47
and out of His mouth
00:27:58.51\00:28:00.04
comes knowledge
and understanding."
00:28:00.08\00:28:02.38
God bless you.
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