Hello, I'm
Dwayne. And I'm Lance.
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And we would like to welcome you
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to another episode of TKS,
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''A True Knowledge of Self,"
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where we get to know ourselves
from a biblical perspective.
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Now, we're going to
continue in this episode
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talking about the
eternal principle of love.
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We saw in 1 John
4:8 that God is love.
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But we then we looked
at how that love applies
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because we are also
called to love our brothers,
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to lay down our
lives for the brethren.
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So, how does one love?
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How does one exhibit
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that eternal
characteristic of God?
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It's something
that we can't create
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and manufacture ourselves,
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it's something that
only He can provide.
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And we looked at a couple
of different circumstances
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in which love from one man
was exhibited toward another,
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and they had two
completely different results.
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For example, we
looked at 2 Samuel and Nathan
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confronting David the King,
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and exposing a
grave sin and scandal
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that David had committed.
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And when he confronted
him, he was risking his life
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because David
could have executed him
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for publicly confronting
him with such an accusation.
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But Nathan was willing to
do that because he loved David.
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And the result was
a tremendous blessing.
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David acknowledged
his sin, he repented,
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and there was no
bloodshed and no further harm
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aside from the judgment
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and the consequences
for David's actions.
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But then we looked at an example
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with the Prophet John,
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John the Baptist.
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And when he exposed
the sin of a king publicly,
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it actually
resulted in his beheading.
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He lost his life.
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We have to be willing
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if we are going to truly follow
the biblical principle of love,
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we have to be
willing to correct,
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and to give instruction,
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and to call sin
by its right name,
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even if it means
the loss of our life,
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even if it means we
have to lay down our lives
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as Christ laid
down His life for us.
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And a lot of people are
uncomfortable with that.
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A lot of people in
the Christian world
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and the world in
general are uncomfortable
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with confrontation.
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We scream that
people are being judgmental
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if they were to
call somebody wrong,
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or to criticize
somebody's action,
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or to question
somebody's morality,
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or to offer some
counsel or correction.
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And we have to accept the fact
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that the Bible
articulates a principle
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that is to be exhibited
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whether it's comfortable or not,
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whether it's going to
result in hardship for me
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or persecution for me or not.
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And we need to
really stress that
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because there is a disconnect.
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Yeah.
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There is a
disconnect in modern society
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particularly in hip-hop culture,
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because we have a
lot of issues, right?
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There are a lot
of social issues,
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current events right now
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that are getting
people very animated,
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to say the least.
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We have open protests.
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We have massive unrest,
and marches, and violence,
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and confrontations with
the police and brutality,
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and all kinds of things.
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And yet we're not seeing
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the type of love exhibited
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that supposedly is
one of the cornerstones
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of the
international hip-hop culture.
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So, how is it that, number one,
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we are called to
apply the principle of love
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that scripture outlines
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whether it leads
to our harm or not,
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whether it leads to
a broken relationship
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or some kind of loss or not?
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And are we seeing it
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in some of these public figures
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that are stepping
forward to chime in
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on the civil unrest
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and to make
demands and all this stuff?
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What are we seeing
here? What's going on?
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Well, I mean, you know,
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when you look at
what's happening right now,
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again, people are
pursuing something
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that ultimately is good.
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They are trying to establish
a better life, a happier life,
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a more peaceful life etc.
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The problem is,
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you can't pick
what you don't know.
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And if you don't
know what true love is,
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then you don't
know how to acquire it,
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and you're not going
to demonstrate it right,
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and your humanity is going
to come out sooner or later.
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It's kind of like
the story of the scorpion
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riding on the frog's back,
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I don't know if you
ever heard it before.
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But, you know,
one day a scorpion
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is communicating
with a frog to say,
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"Listen, I need to
get across the river,
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can you go ahead and just
let me ride on your back?"
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And then the frog says,
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"Well, no, you're
gonna sting me and kill me.
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And scorpion said,
"Don't worry, I won't do it.
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I just, I just
need to get across."
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So, you know, the
scorpion gets on the frog's back
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and frog starts going,
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he trusted the scorpion
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and as soon as the
frog gets her across
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that bed of
water and on to land,
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immediately the scorpion
stings him with his stinger.
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And the frog is dying
and the frog is saying,
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"Why did you do that?
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You said you
weren't gonna to do that.
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And the scorpion answers,
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"I couldn't help
it. It was my nature."
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And, you know, of course
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we know this is all
very much allegorical.
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You know, this is not literal.
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But the point is very profound.
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We are trying
to pursue something
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that in our nature
we cannot accomplish
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which is we're
trying to establish love,
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peace, unity and
safely having fun.
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But the problem is,
is that sooner or later
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our nature is
going to take charge
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of even the morals
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that we might have been
taught at some point or another.
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And lo and behold the
human nature takes over
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and this is why
we still see society
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in the condition
it's in right now.
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This is why we have to
give the right picture of love,
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and we have to be willing
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to demonstrate the
attributes of love,
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and part of that
demonstration is calling wrong,
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wrong, calling right, right.
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And you've got to
be willing to do it.
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I mean, I really I can, I
can dig a lot deeper in this,
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but I'm just gonna make
this point very briefly.
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I think that when
the hip-hop culture
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and community sees and believes
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that one in that community
has been unjustly dealt with.
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In the case of some of
these issues right now,
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with young black
men being gunned down
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by police officers
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and looking upon them
as victims and saying,
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"Hey, this is wrong and
there's marches, protests,
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videos and twitters,
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and all these things
are going on right now.
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And the issue is,
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are you putting the
same type of marches
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and putting the
same type of efforts
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towards the consistent crimes
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that are taking
place in our communities
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by individuals who have
very much been influenced
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by hip-hop culture.
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That can't be denied.
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And to deny it is to literally
play deaf, dumb, and blind.
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So, that it's not
balanced but that's the problem
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when it's human
manufactured love.
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It's the same thing
with police officers.
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You have a lot
of police officers,
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specifically in New York.
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You know, a police
officer does a bonafide,
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documented illegal act,
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doesn't get incriminated for it.
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People protest against
it which is their right.
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They're saying,
"Hey, this was wrong."
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But then, unfortunately,
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there are innocent
men who were gunned down
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as a result of
retaliation, if you will.
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And now the police
officers are responding in a way
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trying to make
it almost look like
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everything that happens
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in the police
force is legitimate.
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We know it's always a tragedy
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when innocent
people lose their lives,
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whether it is a
police officer or a civilian.
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But, again, our human nature
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constantly shows for
contradiction and failure
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because the same way
the individuals are acting
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for one of their own,
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they're not putting
forth those same actions
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towards their own
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when it comes to them
doing the wrong things.
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So, there's massive
inconsistency right now.
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The gospel is the
wonderful simplifier
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of these problems.
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The gospel levels everything.
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Everything gets
leveled at the cross.
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And this is why Christ
wants us to come to Calvary,
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to behold it, take a look at it,
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and understand what true love is
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versus what these
concepts of false love is.
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And as opposed
to self-exaltation
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the cross teaches
of self-sacrifice.
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That's correct.
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And really that's not
what we're seeing going on.
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Nobody's willing to
sacrifice themselves
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for the, you know,
helping of another.
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And one of the ways
we see this happening
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is not calling
sin by its right name,
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right name
wherever it was found.
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I can only
imagine how uncomfortable
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it was for
Nathan to go to the man
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that he himself serves the king
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and to have to tell
him, ''You are a sinner."
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I can only
imagine how uncomfortable
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it was for John the Baptist,
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to be under the
jurisdiction of a king
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and go to the king and
say, ''You are a sinner."
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It is not easy to do that
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because we
understand the paroles.
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And this is one of the
reasons why we don't find sin
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being called out
by its right name
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as it should be.
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Now, I remember one time
I was preaching at a church
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and I was
preaching about repentance,
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the turning away from sin
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and our need to do that
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because sin broke
up the relationship
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between man and God.
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Isaiah 59:2, the Bible says,
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"But your sins have separated
between you and your God
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and your
iniquities have separated us
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from Him that He will
turn his face from us."
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Well, here it is
that if we want to have
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face-to-face communion with God,
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we have to get rid of the thing,
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overcome the thing
that caused the separation.
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Right. Well, that was sin.
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So, it is sensible
that the child of God,
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biblical Christianity
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would have to
put forth an effort
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to call sin out
by its right name.
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When I was doing
this someone said,
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"Why can't you
preach about love?
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Why are you
preaching about repentance
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and turning away from sin?
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That's not a message of love."
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And I said,
"Are you kidding me?"
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I said, "That's an
absolute message of love."
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And they said, "No, it's not."
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And, you know,
kind of back and forth.
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And I said, "Well,
let me ask you a question.
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''Can you out love Jesus?"
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And that person
was humbled and said,
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"Well, of course not,
Jesus is the embodiment of love.
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I said, "Well, I would agree
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because his name is
Emmanuel, God with us.
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And God is love so Christ
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when He was on
this earth with us,
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He was a human
demonstration of love."
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Well, here it is, I
said, "How does Jesus love?"
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So, I went to
Revelation 3. All right.
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And in Revelation 3,
here's what the Bible says.
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And in Revelation 3,
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look at what it says
right there in verse 19.
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And the Bible is very clear.
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The Bible says,
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"As many," and
these are in red letters
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which we know
would be Jesus speaking.
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"As many as I hate,"
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That's not with the verse says.
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It says, "As many as I love,
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I rebuke and chasten:
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be zealous
therefore, and repent."
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That's love.
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The message of repentance,
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a turning away from sin is
actually a message of love.
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It is not a message
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where we are trying
to judge individuals
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in the context of
reading their motives
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or determining their fate.
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These are things that
is not in humanity to do.
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I can't, I can tell a man,
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"Listen, you stole
the apple from the store.
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I saw you do that."
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What I can't do is say,
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"You steal the
apple from the store
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and the reason you did
it because you're a loser
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and you've always been a loser
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and you're always
gonna be a loser."
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Right. You know,
I can't read motive.
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So, what we do not
have the right to do,
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when you think of
judge not lest to be judged,
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is I cannot tell you
why you did what you did.
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I can't read your motive.
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God hasn't given
me that jurisdiction.
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I also cannot
tell you your fate.
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I can't tell you, ''You
are going to go to hell."
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Because if there is a
man who had a right to say
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that it would be a
man by the name of Steven.
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Steven literally is being stoned
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in the Book of Acts to death
under the judgment of Saul,
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who became the Apostle Paul.
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So, Steven's last view of Saul
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is that he is a
persecutor of Christians.
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He hates Christ.
He hates Christianity.
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And now I am literally dying
because of his instructions.
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So, Steven could have said,
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woe be unto that
sinner, he is going to hell.
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But you can
imagine how incredibly,
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amazingly
beautiful heaven will be
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when Steven rises up in
that resurrection morning,
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and here it is that next
to him or near him or wherever
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as he's ascending up to
meet the Lord in the air,
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lo and behold,
he's going to say,
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"Wait a minute."
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That's, you know,
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he's gonna see
Paul not Saul but Paul.
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And he's gonna realize,
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we cannot tell
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who's gonna go to hell
and who's gonna go to heaven.
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It's not in our jurisdiction.
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God can reach
people even last minute.
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But what we can do is
we can call out an action
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that we have seen.
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The Bible tells us
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that all scripture
is given for correction.
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So we can do that.
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And there are things
that need to be corrected.
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And this is what
we're dealing with
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in hip-hop culture right now
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and its effect
and it's, you know,
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proposing things
that at the end of the day
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are not even being demonstrated
by some of its leaders.
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That's right.
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Now, we're gonna
transition to a point here.
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We're gonna play a video clip
because I think it's now time,
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after setting this foundation,
that we need to show something,
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because I am
concerned when I think about,
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you use the
term thought leaders,
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you know, in
hip-hop culture today.
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When I think of thought-leaders,
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I think of people
like, you know, KRS-One,
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Afrika Bambaataa, you
know, Russell Simmons,
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you know a lot
of people who have,
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who have been there
pretty much from the beginning,
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all the way up until now.
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These individual
are looked up to.
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They are
considered father figures.
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They're considered
godfathers to many of those
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who are in hip-hop,
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as far as
entertainment and culture.
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Yeah, and many of
them multimillionaires,
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successful people.
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Absolutely.
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So when I think
of these individuals,
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I look at them as responsible
ones towards those who follow.
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In other words,
"Hey, guys, you know,
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that you have a following,
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you know that
people look up to you.
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So, it is your job
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to lead them in the right path,
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" which I'm sure they
believe they're doing.
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And this is very important, man.
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I am not convinced
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that everybody who does hip-hop,
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practices hip-hop, or
advocates hip-hop culture
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are evil people.
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I don't, I'm not saying that.
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There's some people
who will but I'm not.
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I believe many of them
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may very well be
recognized by God as His people.
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Because the Bible
says in Revelation 18
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that there is a
place called Babylon
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which is the hold
of every foul spirit
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and the cage of every
unclean and hateful bird.
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But God says, "Come
out of her my people."
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So that I believe
that there are people
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who are genuine in
what they are doing
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as it relates to hip-hop culture
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but you can be
sincerely or genuinely wrong
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and they and what's
needed is correction.
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Right.
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So, we're not
analyzing people's characters,
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people's motives.
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We're analyzing what's going on,
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what is being
said, the principles,
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the thoughts, the ideas...
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That's right.
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..that are being promoted
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and that's what
has to be questioned.
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That's correct.
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So, whenever we
challenge something,
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we're not challenging
necessarily the person
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but the ideology
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that is being
presented through that person.
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And I believe
that we should function
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under Galatians
6:1 that tells us,
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"If you see your
brother in a fault,
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you which are
spiritual restore such a one."
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's like do your best to
try to help build them up.
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So, if I see Russell Simmons,
if I see Afrika Bambaata,
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KRS-One or any thought
leader in hip-hop culture
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that says something
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that's trying to
lead the people at large
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and is incorrect,
if I really loved them,
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I got to love them
enough not to say, "Amen",
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'cause Amen means
so let it be done.
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I got to say, "Oh, no.
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No, sorry brothers, you know,
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this is not
correct was being stated
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thus saith the Lord."
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So, this is what we're gonna do,
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so we're gonna go
ahead and look at a clip,
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where there was a interview
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between Russell Simmons
and Don Lemon from C.N.N.
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And they had a dialogue
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about some of the things
going on in hip-hop culture
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and there was something stated
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that I have to
confess was a bit disturbing.
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So, we're gonna go
ahead and take a look at this
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and then we'll come back
and share some comments on it.
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All right, let's
go to the monitor.
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My thing is,
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is that kids are
dying every single minute
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and it's because, as you
said, we had the responsibility.
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Are there people are
being educated in prison,
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prison culture.
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I think that helps perpetuate
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that education
in prison culture.
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And I don't understand why
you, why you can't see that?
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I do see that, an expression
of a reality, you know,
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maybe reaffirmed
it to some degree
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but it is certainly important
that artist tell our truth.
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Do you think that
hip-hop can be better?
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Rap and hip-hop can be better?
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I think each individual artist
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have a responsibility to
say what's on their hearts.
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And some of it is not pretty.
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So I think they're
reflections of our reality,
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in some cases, sad reality.
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Oh! That's great.
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But do those artists
understand the influence
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that they're
having on the young people
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or the people who are
listening to their songs?
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I think many a
most artists understand.
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And I don't
believe that is anything
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we can do to stop a poet
from expressing the truth.
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Only thing we can do
is change that truth,
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if it's, if it's
uncomfortable to us.
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Do you think, just the question,
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do you think rap and
hip-hop can be better?
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Absolutely.
00:17:04.62\00:17:05.95
Okay, but how so?
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Each individual can be
better but as an overall culture
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it has to
express our sad reality.
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It's, it's, the way young people
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want to express
themselves by bucking the system
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is something that I support.
00:17:17.70\00:17:19.60
And some of the things they say
00:17:19.63\00:17:20.97
that may make the
adults uncomfortable,
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in most cases, I support it.
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There are, and I quote
''Of course there are lines.
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I'm not suggesting
you, it is no line."
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We hope that their expression
can be one that uplifts people,
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but we also want them
to be truthful to their art
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and say what's on their hearts.
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And if what's on their hearts
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sometimes is difficult to digest
00:17:40.36\00:17:42.02
then we have to
look at that and see
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if that's a roadmap or
something we can fix...
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Is there a way of doing that
without calling someone a...
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I think that some of
the lyrics are very harsh,
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and some of the things
they say are very sexist,
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some of the things they say
are very difficult to digest.
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And ignorant?
And... And ignorant.
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I still can't tell a poet,
you know, I cannot tell a poet.
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No, they are not
my lyrics or my songs
00:18:02.64\00:18:04.31
but I can't tell
a poet what to say.
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And I will not.
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Now as we consider
what was just stated
00:18:08.82\00:18:11.82
which again depending on
how meticulous a listener is,
00:18:11.85\00:18:15.12
they may think, "Well,
that's sounds just fine.
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He's basically saying,
00:18:17.73\00:18:19.06
"Hey, I can't control
this type of situation.
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You know, I'm not
gonna stop anybody
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from expressing
their artwork and etc."
00:18:23.16\00:18:26.07
Yet he admits
that some of the things
00:18:26.10\00:18:28.07
they're saying in their artwork
is contributive to the problems
00:18:28.10\00:18:31.61
that are being
addressed on the program.
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What are some things
that you see from this?
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Well, you know, to be fair,
the context of the interview
00:18:34.88\00:18:37.38
basically the
interviewer wrote a open letter,
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criticizing the culture
00:18:40.65\00:18:42.32
and saying that the culture
is what breeds these situations
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and creates an environment
for the police brutality.
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And, you know, so the
problem is not the police
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even though that's a
problem, that's not the root.
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The core is the degradation
of the culture and society,
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and it's constantly
being pumped with negativity,
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and it's producing the
fruit, the natural fruit.
00:19:00.27\00:19:03.07
And so, in response
to that Russell Simmons
00:19:03.10\00:19:06.88
critiqued the open letter
00:19:06.91\00:19:09.28
and it became like kind
of a social media battle.
00:19:09.31\00:19:12.68
And then the
interviewer invited him
00:19:12.71\00:19:14.92
for a face-to-face interview
00:19:14.95\00:19:16.45
and this is that,
that's the interview.
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So, there's a lot of discussion,
00:19:17.85\00:19:19.19
a lot of background to it.
00:19:19.22\00:19:20.56
So the bottom line is,
what is being articulated
00:19:20.59\00:19:25.06
in this, in this
segment of the interview
00:19:25.09\00:19:28.20
is that in other
words the artists,
00:19:28.23\00:19:33.54
the MC's if you
will, the dancers,
00:19:33.57\00:19:35.20
the various artists in hip-hop
00:19:35.24\00:19:37.74
are simply communicating
00:19:37.77\00:19:41.31
and expressing the reality.
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He, at one point
blames the reality.
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He blames the
problem on the prison,
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you know, industrial complex,
00:19:51.09\00:19:53.29
meaning the fact that
people are getting locked up
00:19:53.32\00:19:56.06
at such alarming numbers.
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They're getting trained
00:19:57.46\00:19:58.79
in criminality
in prison culture.
00:19:58.83\00:20:00.50
And they're bringing
that back to the street.
00:20:00.53\00:20:02.13
So, their reality is simply this
00:20:02.16\00:20:04.17
and so they're
just being artists
00:20:04.20\00:20:05.53
and expressing themselves,
00:20:05.57\00:20:06.90
and he is not
going to tell an artist
00:20:06.94\00:20:09.84
not to express themselves.
00:20:09.87\00:20:11.41
He's not going to
come and tell an artist,
00:20:11.44\00:20:13.21
''You shouldn't say that
or maybe you should try this,"
00:20:13.24\00:20:15.34
he's not gonna
tell an artist to,
00:20:15.38\00:20:17.38
to say something
that's not reality.
00:20:17.41\00:20:19.35
Even though he clearly sees
00:20:19.38\00:20:21.05
that the things that
some of these artists
00:20:21.08\00:20:22.72
are saying are
negative, are derogatory,
00:20:22.75\00:20:26.59
and are
demonstrations of ignorance.
00:20:26.62\00:20:28.39
That's right.
00:20:28.42\00:20:29.76
So, he knows
they're part of the problem.
00:20:29.79\00:20:31.13
Right?
00:20:31.16\00:20:32.49
But he's saying I'm not willing
to address that specifically.
00:20:32.53\00:20:34.56
What we need to
do to fix the problem
00:20:34.60\00:20:36.67
is address and
change their reality.
00:20:36.70\00:20:39.40
So, he's saying we're
gonna improve education.
00:20:39.43\00:20:41.10
We're gonna, you
know, try to find ways
00:20:41.14\00:20:43.17
to where we can
create some criminal justice
00:20:43.20\00:20:45.57
so people aren't locked up,
00:20:45.61\00:20:46.94
you know,
minorities aren't locked up
00:20:46.98\00:20:48.31
in such disparaging
numbers and all these things.
00:20:48.34\00:20:50.78
So he's saying, we
can change their reality
00:20:50.81\00:20:52.81
and that will change their art.
00:20:52.85\00:20:54.88
But, I mean, it's a
use of illustration,
00:20:54.92\00:20:57.92
for example, if you
have a pool of water
00:20:57.95\00:20:59.39
and you want to
purify that water.
00:20:59.42\00:21:00.76
You want, you
want that water to be,
00:21:00.79\00:21:02.12
you know, able to be drink,
00:21:02.16\00:21:04.63
you know, potable
water, drinkable water.
00:21:04.66\00:21:07.43
So, if you want that pure water
00:21:07.46\00:21:10.07
but the problem
is you have sewage
00:21:10.10\00:21:11.63
coming into that
pond or that pool.
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If the sewage is
coming into the pool,
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whatever purification
system you want to go through,
00:21:17.01\00:21:19.11
whatever, if
you do not eliminate
00:21:19.14\00:21:21.91
that stream of sewage
pumping into that pool,
00:21:21.94\00:21:24.61
unless you've got
some high-level massive,
00:21:24.65\00:21:26.98
you know, treatment plants
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you're gonna
always have dirty water.
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So, the reality is that pool,
00:21:30.75\00:21:32.52
the reality is
never gonna change,
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if it's constantly being pumped
00:21:34.76\00:21:36.69
with this
negativity and this error,
00:21:36.73\00:21:38.49
and this thing that's,
that's degrading the society.
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So it's circular reasoning.
00:21:41.90\00:21:43.77
You know, you can't
have one without the other.
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You can't address one
and not address the other.
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You have to address both.
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And this is the
problem in the reasoning.
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I don't...
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Again, we can't speculate as
to why or the motive behind it.
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But it appears to
me that he is not,
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he's committed
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to not
intervening on that level.
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He's going to spend all,
00:22:04.89\00:22:06.22
you know, and do all
these things on the outside
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to try to change the reality,
00:22:07.72\00:22:09.19
but it's gonna be
virtually impossible
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if you don't change the
stream that's pumping into it.
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That's right.
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Now, we're gonna take a
real quick look at one more clip
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'cause we're getting
closer towards our close.
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But we're gonna take
a look at one more clip
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of another very
powerful thought leader
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in hip-hop culture
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which is none other
than Afrika Bambaataa,
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where he expresses some thoughts
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along the same
lines to this interview.
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So let's go ahead
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and let's take a look
at this one very quickly.
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Okay. All right.
00:22:30.98\00:22:32.31
And it's just that
the media want to focus on
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one little small part
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which is the rappers
still doing gangster rap.
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We're not saying get
rid of the gangster rap,
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all we want is
balance of the modern rap.
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If you say you're
hip-hop radio station,
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Tupac was
dealing with drug life,
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but he's also talking
to you about dear mama.
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He's also talking
about keep your head off.
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So, people say, ''Oh,
that's contradiction."
00:22:50.80\00:22:52.63
Well, we all are contradiction.
00:22:52.67\00:22:54.00
We all got the
ying and the yang,
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the agreeable
and the disagreeable,
00:22:55.40\00:22:56.81
evil and good in us.
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So let's get away from them.
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It's like if you
saw holier than thou.
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Now, the thing that I
heard from this clip is that,
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number one, there's an emphasis
on the fact that the media
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though hip-hop or rap
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is very, very wide and
broad and has many ''Successes,"
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that media,
according to Afrika Bambaataa,
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is focusing on one small
part which is the gangster rap.
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Whether that'd be true or
not, that caught my attention,
00:23:22.16\00:23:23.50
that wasn't really the emphasis
00:23:23.53\00:23:26.40
it was what he said after.
00:23:26.43\00:23:27.97
After acknowledging
gangster rap, right?
00:23:28.00\00:23:31.17
Then he says,
00:23:31.21\00:23:32.54
not saying that we
need to get rid of it
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and I'm just thinking to myself.
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Okay.
00:23:36.21\00:23:37.55
When I think of a godfather
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then that means you
can't be a godfather
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without having God's Son.
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So, you know,
00:23:42.12\00:23:43.45
you are looked
upon as a father figure
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and as a father figure,
00:23:46.35\00:23:49.19
you are seeing
some of your children,
00:23:49.22\00:23:52.19
''That are promoting,
teaching and doing things
00:23:52.23\00:23:55.36
that at the end of the
day are absolutely evil."
00:23:55.40\00:23:58.03
It's wrong in
every sense of the word
00:23:58.07\00:24:00.37
which of course is this
concept of gangster rap.
00:24:00.40\00:24:03.10
So, he makes it clear, you know,
00:24:03.14\00:24:04.47
not saying that we
need to get rid of it
00:24:04.51\00:24:05.84
which I'm like why
wouldn't you say that?
00:24:05.87\00:24:07.64
You know, that's a question.
00:24:07.68\00:24:09.01
Just why wouldn't you
say that? Are you kidding me?
00:24:09.04\00:24:10.75
Look at the fruit.
00:24:10.78\00:24:12.11
But then after he states
that the interviewer asked him,
00:24:12.15\00:24:15.95
well, doesn't it
appear like a contradiction
00:24:15.98\00:24:18.72
and then basically
he's like, well, yes,
00:24:18.75\00:24:22.36
you know, there's
the ying and the yang,
00:24:22.39\00:24:24.39
the good and the evil,
00:24:24.43\00:24:25.76
don't try to act
holier than thou.
00:24:25.79\00:24:27.70
And he just kind
of went on this rant
00:24:27.73\00:24:29.66
which was now a
justification of the evil,
00:24:29.70\00:24:33.27
you know, he associated
the gangster rap with ''Evil".
00:24:33.30\00:24:37.07
Now, how can love
00:24:37.11\00:24:39.77
be a
cornerstone of this culture?
00:24:39.81\00:24:43.65
And we have seen
from the word of God
00:24:43.68\00:24:45.25
that love is willing
to tell people things.
00:24:45.28\00:24:49.48
To tell them, what
you're doing here is wrong
00:24:49.52\00:24:51.92
you need to turn away from this.
00:24:51.95\00:24:53.29
You need to repent.
00:24:53.32\00:24:54.66
Yet we're seeing hip-hop
moguls like Russell Simmons,
00:24:54.69\00:24:57.63
we're seeing a
godfather of hip-hop
00:24:57.66\00:24:59.26
like Afrika Bambaataa
00:24:59.29\00:25:00.76
and these individuals
00:25:00.80\00:25:02.13
are really not
willing to tell them
00:25:02.16\00:25:04.80
and say this is
wrong, this is wrong,
00:25:04.83\00:25:06.47
this needs to change
and that's problematic
00:25:06.50\00:25:09.50
when we think about
00:25:09.54\00:25:11.04
a so-called teaching
and promoting of love.
00:25:11.07\00:25:14.41
And this is why, again,
love is being perverted.
00:25:14.44\00:25:18.01
When you look at
Proverbs 13:24, the Bible says,
00:25:18.05\00:25:21.08
"He that spareth,"
00:25:21.12\00:25:22.45
and I want you to think
about the principle here,
00:25:22.48\00:25:24.39
"He that spareth
his rod hates his son:
00:25:24.42\00:25:29.12
but he that loves him
chasteneth him betimes,
00:25:29.16\00:25:34.13
many times."
00:25:34.16\00:25:35.50
What's the point?
00:25:35.53\00:25:36.87
The point is that
if you really love
00:25:36.90\00:25:38.30
your god children,
00:25:38.33\00:25:39.67
if you really love
00:25:39.70\00:25:41.04
those who are looking up to you,
00:25:41.07\00:25:42.40
you've got to learn to sometimes
00:25:42.44\00:25:43.77
chasing them and say,
''Listen, you can't do this".
00:25:43.81\00:25:45.94
I understand that you
can't force an individual,
00:25:45.97\00:25:49.28
but when you are put
in the power position,
00:25:49.31\00:25:50.98
it's kind of like a parent,
00:25:51.01\00:25:52.35
I can't force my
child to love God
00:25:52.38\00:25:53.85
but I can definitely
endorse rules in my home
00:25:53.88\00:25:56.08
that says we're
not going to allow
00:25:56.12\00:25:57.45
ungodly things to take place.
00:25:57.49\00:25:58.82
Yeah. And how about this?
00:25:58.85\00:26:00.19
We're going to
look at another point
00:26:00.22\00:26:01.56
but they're making those same
00:26:01.59\00:26:03.99
and some of those same
individuals are making demands.
00:26:04.03\00:26:06.76
They're meeting with
the governor of New York
00:26:06.80\00:26:08.13
and demanding that
the police do this,
00:26:08.16\00:26:09.86
and do that, and do this,
00:26:09.90\00:26:11.23
and do that and braining them in
00:26:11.27\00:26:12.83
because what they did was wrong.
00:26:12.87\00:26:14.20
Right.
00:26:14.24\00:26:15.57
But at the same point
00:26:15.60\00:26:16.94
they can't go
to their own people
00:26:16.97\00:26:18.34
and do the same thing.
00:26:18.37\00:26:19.71
My brother, case in point.
00:26:19.74\00:26:21.08
Don Lemon with C.N.N.
00:26:21.11\00:26:22.98
wrote an article
00:26:23.01\00:26:24.81
expressing his
thoughts on hip-hop culture
00:26:24.85\00:26:28.52
and he did it based on his art,
00:26:28.55\00:26:31.35
which is to be a journalist
and to do what he did.
00:26:31.39\00:26:33.72
So he's expressing his art form,
00:26:33.76\00:26:35.92
Russell Simmons
sees it, doesn't like it,
00:26:35.96\00:26:37.73
and he says, this is wrong.
00:26:37.76\00:26:40.80
He was able to do
that to this individual
00:26:40.83\00:26:43.70
who was expressing his
art form of what have you,
00:26:43.73\00:26:46.37
but then he says,
but I can't tell them
00:26:46.40\00:26:48.20
to who's part of the very click
00:26:48.24\00:26:50.44
that supposedly
I'm a oversee over
00:26:50.47\00:26:52.27
and trying to give
guidance and instruction.
00:26:52.31\00:26:54.61
There's something
wrong. This is what I'm saying.
00:26:54.64\00:26:57.41
There is inconsistency,
there is a contradiction,
00:26:57.45\00:27:01.35
and one thing that
is definitely clear
00:27:01.38\00:27:02.98
is this is not demonstrating
the principle of love
00:27:03.02\00:27:06.22
from the biblical perspective.
00:27:06.25\00:27:07.59
And this is the reason
00:27:07.62\00:27:08.96
why this so-called
cornerstone had to be addressed.
00:27:08.99\00:27:11.03
That's right.
00:27:11.06\00:27:12.39
Now there is
something here that we're seeing
00:27:12.43\00:27:17.03
that is admitting the fact
00:27:17.07\00:27:20.00
that
contradiction is inevitable.
00:27:20.04\00:27:21.90
In other words,
it's part of the culture.
00:27:21.94\00:27:24.67
That's not what
the Bible teaches.
00:27:24.71\00:27:26.17
The Bible
teaches that the reality
00:27:26.21\00:27:28.24
that God dictates
transcends all culture,
00:27:28.28\00:27:31.11
it establishes its own culture
00:27:31.15\00:27:32.91
which is superior and therefore
contradiction does not exist.
00:27:32.95\00:27:36.72
They don't co-exist.
00:27:36.75\00:27:38.32
Contradiction and
love can't co-exist.
00:27:38.35\00:27:40.46
So we're going to
continue talking about this
00:27:40.49\00:27:42.36
because it's important
00:27:42.39\00:27:43.73
that we flesh it
out even further.
00:27:43.76\00:27:45.79
We cannot have a situation
00:27:45.83\00:27:48.16
in which we allow
individuals to misrepresent,
00:27:48.20\00:27:52.33
and when we do that we
are living a contradiction,
00:27:52.37\00:27:56.04
and that's certainly
not love or peace or unity.
00:27:56.07\00:27:59.71
So I want to invite you to
return for our next episode,
00:27:59.74\00:28:02.04
and I want you to
always remember Proverbs 2:6,
00:28:02.08\00:28:05.18
''For it's the
Lord that gives wisdom
00:28:05.21\00:28:07.72
and out of his mouth
00:28:07.75\00:28:09.08
comes knowledge
and understanding."
00:28:09.12\00:28:11.25
God bless.
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