Hi, I'm Shelly Quinn.
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I'm JD Quinn.
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And we welcome you to 3ABN.
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This is live this second hour.
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If you missed the first hour,
you'll definitely want to see
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that.
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Hartman, who are...
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James.
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James.
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James Michael.
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That's where...
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James Michael.
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James Hartley.
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And they are with
Outpost Centers International.
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Before we get rolling again,
they've got some incredible
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stories.
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You're going to hear that
in just a moment, as well as a
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king, and just some
fascinating stories.
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But first, honey,
everybody loves music.
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Everybody loves music.
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And, boy, Josh Singletary can
play the piano and you're going
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to love this.
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I surrender all.
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Thank you, Josh.
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Amen.
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Thank you.
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We heard an incredible
story during the break.
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And I just, we want
to start with this one.
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OCI, for the Outpost Centers
International, if you're just
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joining us on this second
hour, is a thriving network of
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ministries, lay
ministries around the world.
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They have over 400
in nearly 90 countries.
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But we're going to come back
to that because Steve just keeps
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telling me that's
a tip in the bucket.
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No, what would that be?
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Anyway, a toe in the water.
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We want to go deeper.
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There we go.
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I'll get my metaphors out.
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But you told the most amazing
story because he said, God can
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use anyone.
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Tell us the
story of the Buddhist.
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So I met Dim Da in
the country of Malaysia.
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We were having an
OCI convention there.
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And because of the nature
of some of that region of the
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world, it's hard to
bring people together.
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But we had come together.
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We're having an OCI convention.
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And I heard just a and I said,
I've got to get the rest of
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this story.
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So I sat down with Dim Da.
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I said, tell me your story.
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And he said, I was
raised in a Buddhist family.
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And in our village, there
was really no Buddhist anyway.
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He was raised in
the country of Cambodia.
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And he said, there were no
Christians there, but I was
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taught to hate Christians
anyway, because it was just the
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nature of that
kind of situation.
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And he said, so I
was raised as a Buddhist.
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I hated Christians.
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And somehow God
had a plan though.
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He says, I'm
going to use Dim Da.
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And so he was invited to come
to Malaysia to this ministry
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and to be a gardener.
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And he said, I thought a
gardener was someone who took
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care of the flowers.
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And so he's there at the
ministry and he comes to the
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ministry and he looks around.
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He doesn't see
very many flowers.
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He says, what is the deal?
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I came as a gardener to
take care of the flowers.
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And they said, no,
it's a farm, not a garden.
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It's a farm.
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He said, so I had a big problem.
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He said, I didn't want to be
a farmer and I hated Christians.
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And when I found out that this
was a Christian place, he said,
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I just wanted to go home.
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He said, I just, but
I didn't have the money.
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He said, I couldn't go anywhere.
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So I had to stay.
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But he told me, he said, it
wasn't long before he got sick.
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And he said, I got so sick that
I couldn't even get out of bed.
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He said, it was just terrible.
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I was just, I
didn't know what to do.
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No one was there to help me.
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He said, but the people here
at this ministry started helping
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me and they would bring me food
and they would try to get me
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well again.
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And he would tell them, go away.
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I don't want you to help
me because I cannot pay you.
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And this is what they told him.
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They said, Dimda, we are
not doing this for money.
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We are doing this
because Jesus loves you.
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And he said, don't tell
me anything about Jesus.
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I hate Christians.
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You know, I hate Christians.
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I don't want anything to do
with this and I can't pay you.
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Go away.
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They said, no, no,
we're going to help you.
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And they kept bringing him
food and kept ministering to his
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needs.
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get up and walk and do things.
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And one day he was working
on the farm, which he didn't
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really want to do, but he
was there and he had to do it.
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He's working on the farm.
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He loses all keys
to the whole farm.
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He was the, they'd given
him charge of all the keys.
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He said, we got
to find the keys.
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And so he came to his friends
who had helped him with to get
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well.
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And he says,
come please help me.
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We have to find the keys.
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And they told him, no, we will
not find the keys right now.
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He said, why not?
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We have to go find the keys.
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And they said, no, we'll find
the keys later because today is
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Friday and we're
getting ready for the Sabbath.
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He says, I don't
care about the Sabbath.
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I've lost the keys.
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Now come and
help me find the keys.
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Please.
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You're my friends.
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They said, no, we'll
not go now, but we'll pray.
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And they said, let's just pray.
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And finally, he
was pretty frustrated.
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He told me, and he said, he
finally told them, I don't know
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how to pray.
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And they said,
we will teach you.
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And so they knelt down, they
prayed that God would help them
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to find those keys.
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And he said, he went to church
the next day out of respect for
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the people he was with.
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And, and he didn't
think much about it.
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He kind of forgotten a little
bit about the keys, but that
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afternoon he had to go
check something somewhere on the
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property.
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And this is what he told me.
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He said, I thought,
oh, this is so wonderful.
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It's my good karma.
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He said, I've got some karma.
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I've done some good things
in my life and this is my karma.
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There's no God.
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There can't be any God.
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This is just karma.
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I have found my keys.
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But he said, he
became a little bit curious.
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You know, I think God uses that
sometimes with us where we get
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curious because he's
stimulating our thinking on
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something.
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And so he said, I
became a little curious.
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And anytime I had a problem, I
go to my friends and they would
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say, always tell
me, oh, no, don't worry.
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We will pray.
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And, and he said, I
began to experience this thing.
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And he said, I became
a little more curious.
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He said, eventually
I became so curious.
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I decided I had to really find
out, is there a God who really
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cares about people that would
say they care so much that he
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would actually interact
with a, with a person like me?
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Is this true or not?
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I got to find out.
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I said, well, what did you do?
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He said, I decided I
would give God a test.
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And I kind of
chuckled that point.
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I thought, this is funny.
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He's going to give God a test.
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I said, what kind of
test did you give God?
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He said, I told God three
things because I become curious
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enough about this God that I
said, maybe I need to study in
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this school.
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And he said,
God, this is the test.
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If you will answer these
three I will become a Christian.
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He said, now we're going to
figure this out once and for
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all.
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He said, I don't have
money, so I can't study here.
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I'm a Buddhist.
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They won't accept me.
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And thirdly, I can't speak
English and the classes are in
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English.
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He said, but it was so bad.
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I would walk down the sidewalk
and I would see somebody.
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I would say, good morning.
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And they would
say, what did you say?
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He said, I just couldn't
get the English language.
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So three days later, somebody
showed up and they paid his
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tuition.
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And he said, Oh my, maybe there
is something to this, but no,
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it could be my karma.
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This is, this
could be karma still.
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And he said, so he applied
to the school and he said, but
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they won't accept me because
I'm a Buddhist and this is a
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Christian school.
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And so he applied
and he was accepted.
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He said, Oh my, maybe there
really is a God, but no, this
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could still be my karma.
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Because I still can't,
I don't know what to do.
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How am I going to go to class?
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I don't speak English.
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The classes are in English.
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And he said, finally it was
time for the classes to start.
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His money had been paid.
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He was accepted.
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He said, but I knew I couldn't
speak English, so it was going
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to be trouble the
first day in class.
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He said, when I sat down
in class, I could understand
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everything the teacher said.
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Wow.
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Amazing.
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He said, not only could I
understand what the teacher
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said, but I began to be
able to speak in English.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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And I could write my
assignments in English.
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Glory to God.
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Hallelujah.
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Jesus doesn't
need our abilities.
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He just needs us to
be willing to say yes.
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Right.
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Amen.
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And I realize I needed to find
out more about this God because
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if I was going to become a
Christian, I needed to know
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more.
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He said, so I studied
in the school for one year.
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And then I said, God, I'm ready.
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And he said, I was
ready and I requested baptism.
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And he said, when I came up out
of the water, God told me, you
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will now be my missionary.
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And he said, how am I
going to be a missionary?
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What am I going to do?
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And God said, you are going
to go to your own people in your
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own country that
don't know about me.
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And so he told the people at
the school, he said, I have to
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leave.
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They said, oh
no, you cannot leave.
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You have to stay here
and get more training.
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He said, no, I have to leave
because God has told me to go
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to my own people
in my own country.
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He ended up going his own
people in his own country.
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And when he showed up,
his parents rejected him.
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His best friends rejected him.
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He said, he went to
see his best friend.
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He said, surely
he will accept me.
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He said, the mother of his
best friend came out the door.
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She said, go do not come here.
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Go.
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He said, why?
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She says, you have
become a Christian.
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You have betrayed our people.
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We, you know, we
hate Christians here.
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And so he turned to leave.
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And as he was leaving,
he looked back and she had a
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branch and she was sweeping
his footprints out of the dust.
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He said, I felt
totally a failure.
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What was God going to do here?
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How he's going to use me
because they're rejecting me.
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And so he said, he went home
that night and his parents had
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agreed if he didn't say
anything Christian, he could
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stay in the house because
he had no other place to stay.
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So he finally
let him in the house.
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He said, I was so disappointed.
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I was so discouraged.
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I didn't know what to do.
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I've just praying.
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I was crying out to God.
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What will I do?
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He said, when I woke up in the
morning, I felt this impression
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that I was to
work with the children.
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And he said, God, what am I
going to do with the children?
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He said, God spoke to his
heart, said, you will teach the
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children English.
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So God takes someone who hates
Christians, who can't speak
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English, who doesn't have any
money and sends him back as a
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missionary to teach English.
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Today he has a group of
children that come and they
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built a building there and
they're teaching these children
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about Jesus.
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But God said,
I'm not finished yet.
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He said, you will do more.
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But he felt like a failure
because he said it was, I'd
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been doing this for
two years, no success.
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He said, what I really wanted
to do was study the Bible with
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people.
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He said, but I couldn't get
anyone to study the Bible with
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me.
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He said, so I took a week and I
went to the jungle and I fasted
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and I prayed.
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He said, I didn't
care who heard me.
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I was crying out loudly to God.
00:14:38.81\00:14:41.64
And he said, I was telling
God, I've been a failure.
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I've wasted your
time or wasted your money.
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I can't do anything.
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These people don't
want to study the Bible.
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And that's what I want to do.
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I want to teach them about you.
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I thought that's
what you wanted me to do.
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He said, so one week I
cried and prayed to God.
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And he said, I felt
some sense of peace.
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So I went back home, but I
still didn't know really what
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to do.
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But he said, something changed.
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And within the next six months,
there were seven individuals
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that agreed to
study the Bible with him.
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Praise God.
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And God said,
I'm not finished yet.
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He says, what do
you want me to do now?
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He said, I want you
to go to the prison.
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And so Deem Da went to
the prison and he said, I'm
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supposed to teach here.
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They said, what
are you going to teach?
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He said, I'm
going to teach English.
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Now he is teaching to hundreds
of prisoners every week,
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teaching the Bible through
English, teaching them, you
00:15:37.77\00:15:43.27
know, God is,
and now it's amazing.
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Deem Da is building a chapel
because there were too many
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prisoners that
wanted to study the Bible.
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Glory to God.
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And so he's, we're building
a little chapel in the prison,
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inside the prison.
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There's going to be a Seventh
-day Advent Chapel teaching the
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Bible.
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Glory.
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Amen.
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So God, what does he need?
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He needs us to say yes.
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That's what he needs.
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It's something that, I mean,
you know, when God spoke to me
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personally, when he called me,
I mean, when I say he spoke to
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me, it was a still
small voice of the Lord.
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I remember the first time I
told JD, well, God said this
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and God said that.
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hearing from God because
they're going to think you're
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crazy.
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But you know, 1 Kings 19
12 talks about the still small
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voice.
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And it just moves me when I
hear stories like that, where
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God has spoken and used someone.
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Now you, this may be you,
God may be speaking to you right
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now.
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And I wanted to talk.
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We're going to
just transition here.
00:17:09.92\00:17:11.49
Just a second.
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I wanted to talk.
00:17:12.99\00:17:14.00
There's people like,
how do you say his name?
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Demda.
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Demda, who've come in, who have
no leadership experience and
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who have a call on their,
of the Lord on their heart.
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Tell us what with
the leadership training.
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Yeah, that's so important.
00:17:33.48\00:17:35.98
Many people get engaged
in ministry cause the Lord is
00:17:36.85\00:17:39.69
moving on their heart, but they
soon realize there's a lot of
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details in running a ministry,
a lot of administrative issues
00:17:42.99\00:17:45.99
and, and organization
needed and OCI is there to help
00:17:45.99\00:17:52.03
provide leadership
training to our ministries.
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We've recently just
returned from Romania.
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We had a three day strategic
planning session with our board
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and we recognized that one
of the biggest needs that we
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wanted to fill was
leadership training.
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Cause if we can strengthen the
leaders, we'll strengthen the
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whole ministry because the
leader is leading, leading the
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way.
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of 12 to 15 leaders at a time
as a group where they will work
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for three months together.
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A lot of it online, there'll
be classes that they watch, then
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they're going to get lectures
from different, you know,
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specialists in different areas.
00:18:30.67\00:18:31.81
Then they're going to have
time where they're all talking
00:18:32.11\00:18:33.81
together and, and
going through a process.
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So it'd be learning from
one another and we'll have
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different groups.
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able to learn from one another.
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And then we're going to have
multiple cohorts like that in
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different languages.
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And, you know, this is
something we're just starting
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this year.
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we've done a lot of leadership
training in the past at our
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conventions.
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channel.
00:19:00.84\00:19:03.64
more intimate and more personal.
00:19:03.64\00:19:05.41
And so we're going to be
mentoring leaders and bringing
00:19:05.77\00:19:07.84
them through a process over
a three month period that we're
00:19:07.84\00:19:12.48
really excited that it's going
to help elevate the ministries
00:19:12.48\00:19:15.48
and give them
some more training.
00:19:15.48\00:19:18.05
Let me before you, I hear you
taking a deep breath, but let
00:19:18.05\00:19:21.09
me just say this.
00:19:21.09\00:19:24.79
leadership training for what?
00:19:24.79\00:19:26.13
What is this ministry?
00:19:26.46\00:19:27.66
Outpost Centers International.
00:19:28.30\00:19:29.93
Think of it as the umbrella.
00:19:30.83\00:19:32.67
They've got over 400
ministries of lay persons.
00:19:33.40\00:19:38.71
This is laity
who have ministries.
00:19:38.94\00:19:41.84
They join Outpost Centers
International for all these
00:19:41.94\00:19:46.15
various services and
support and the synergy and the
00:19:46.15\00:19:49.42
financial.
00:19:49.42\00:19:49.92
And they've got all
these beautiful things that you
00:19:50.55\00:19:54.02
should watch the first hour and
you'll understand it better or
00:19:54.02\00:19:57.23
just go to outpostcenters.org.
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And it's a wonderful ministry.
00:20:03.40\00:20:05.63
Okay, honey.
00:20:06.00\00:20:06.87
Well, I just what's the
name of this leadership?
00:20:07.00\00:20:09.37
Oh, that's a good question.
00:20:09.37\00:20:11.21
Global leadership training.
00:20:11.84\00:20:13.04
We're still struggling to
get the right name for it, but
00:20:13.24\00:20:16.54
that's a good place to start.
00:20:16.54\00:20:17.81
It's still a little internal.
00:20:18.35\00:20:19.41
Yeah, but I think it's exciting.
00:20:19.78\00:20:21.75
Well, it is exciting.
00:20:21.78\00:20:22.85
Well, one of the things we want
to do starting out is we have
00:20:23.02\00:20:27.16
to train the trainers.
00:20:27.16\00:20:28.32
So our field team is going
to be some of our primary target
00:20:28.79\00:20:33.19
candidates for these first few
times so that we train them so
00:20:33.19\00:20:38.03
that because they speak
languages, I don't speak.
00:20:38.03\00:20:40.70
You know, I do a good day.
00:20:41.20\00:20:42.84
I can speak English and I know
enough Spanish to be dangerous.
00:20:42.94\00:20:48.28
When I first met him, I said
if he spoke if he spoke English,
00:20:49.58\00:20:52.95
he'd be bilingual because
he's from Texas and Texans have
00:20:52.95\00:20:52.98
different words for everything.
00:20:56.79\00:20:58.99
Oh, beautiful.
00:21:01.72\00:21:03.99
Oh, but so anyway, we want to
train our field team and select
00:21:03.99\00:21:10.40
other leaders that can help
us to train globally because
00:21:10.40\00:21:13.74
there's not enough of us.
00:21:13.74\00:21:15.44
James and I can't
do all this alone.
00:21:15.87\00:21:17.97
We've got we're bringing
Michelle Dukumis, who's going
00:21:18.07\00:21:20.08
to be this
training coordinator for us.
00:21:20.08\00:21:22.44
And so that's going
to be a blessing for us.
00:21:23.98\00:21:26.78
And by God's grace, we believe
this is going to really lift
00:21:26.85\00:21:31.12
the leaders up in a way because
many times leading a ministry
00:21:31.12\00:21:36.16
is a lonely work.
00:21:36.16\00:21:37.43
It's you don't have you can't
talk to your staff about issues
00:21:38.39\00:21:42.00
you may be dealing with.
00:21:42.00\00:21:43.37
You can't really talk to the
people you're trying to help.
00:21:43.73\00:21:46.74
And so you're kind of stuck and
you need someone you can really
00:21:47.10\00:21:51.47
come together with and
have those conversations.
00:21:51.47\00:21:54.14
And you know that
ministry leaders rely on God.
00:21:54.14\00:21:58.11
They're praying to God.
00:21:58.28\00:21:59.38
But there is
something that God has.
00:21:59.71\00:22:02.35
He puts us in groups together
because we need him to be able
00:22:02.88\00:22:11.89
to let him talk to us through
other people is what I'm trying
00:22:11.89\00:22:16.40
to say.
00:22:16.40\00:22:23.10
networking synergy is
that you've got somebody that
00:22:23.10\00:22:26.31
understands you, somebody else
who's got that mission heart
00:22:26.31\00:22:29.98
and they're praying and you
can come to I mean, I just think
00:22:29.98\00:22:34.02
it's fabulous.
00:22:34.02\00:22:34.68
We want it to be, you know,
you can do anything online.
00:22:35.15\00:22:37.95
You can go watch YouTube
videos all day about how to do
00:22:38.02\00:22:40.66
something.
00:22:40.66\00:22:41.46
But we want this to be an
experience, not just a class,
00:22:41.86\00:22:46.66
but a real experience.
00:22:46.83\00:22:48.56
And so we're keeping the groups
small and hopes that God will
00:22:49.20\00:22:53.23
bless those groups
with the Holy Spirit.
00:22:53.23\00:22:55.34
So they come together in a
really spirit of interaction
00:22:55.40\00:22:59.77
that is blessed
by the Holy Spirit.
00:22:59.77\00:23:01.48
And that certainly will work.
00:23:01.64\00:23:03.45
The thing they've got to do
is just like we all got to do.
00:23:03.65\00:23:05.88
They got to put
their foot in the water.
00:23:05.95\00:23:07.72
Once they put the foot in
the water and that water starts
00:23:08.22\00:23:11.62
easing to the sides and
gets dry land, a million people
00:23:11.62\00:23:16.59
could not change their
mind then because you've seen it
00:23:16.59\00:23:20.33
work.
00:23:20.33\00:23:20.76
And so that, I
mean, action, action.
00:23:21.80\00:23:24.73
Okay.
00:23:25.00\00:23:28.74
We've got to get to this story.
00:23:30.11\00:23:31.67
I'm just going to
tease to it again.
00:23:32.07\00:23:33.58
We're going to come back to the
palace story and the king, but
00:23:33.68\00:23:37.95
tell us about Project X.
00:23:37.95\00:23:40.42
Oh, yeah.
00:23:40.75\00:23:46.55
ministries called LIGHT, the
Lay Institute for Global Health
00:23:46.55\00:23:49.52
Training.
00:23:49.52\00:23:50.03
It's one of our very dynamic
ministries because it's global
00:23:50.76\00:23:54.10
in its nature and it's
training people how to minister
00:23:54.10\00:23:58.23
according to Christ's method
that you've pointed out here,
00:23:58.23\00:24:01.14
using health and ministering to
the needs of people as a means
00:24:01.14\00:24:05.04
to introduce Christ to them.
00:24:05.04\00:24:06.51
So LIGHT is training lay people
and pastors around the world
00:24:06.94\00:24:11.01
how to use the
right arm of the gospel.
00:24:11.01\00:24:13.75
Okay.
00:24:14.18\00:24:18.92
training course and they've
done this in over 90 countries.
00:24:18.92\00:24:22.29
How many?
00:24:22.32\00:24:23.43
Over 40,000 church members.
00:24:23.73\00:24:25.36
It's been going, LIGHT has been
around for about 15 years, a
00:24:25.56\00:24:28.43
little more than 15 years.
00:24:28.43\00:24:29.70
So I know a little bit about
it because I used to be in the
00:24:30.13\00:24:33.10
leadership for it.
00:24:33.10\00:24:35.77
So I'm with OCI full time, but
I'm really inspired to see what
00:24:36.77\00:24:40.51
LIGHT is doing to have some
new leadership there that have a
00:24:40.51\00:24:43.18
powerful vision.
00:24:43.18\00:24:44.28
So while LIGHT has been
training churches how to use
00:24:44.85\00:24:47.85
the health message to interact
in their communities, we
00:24:47.85\00:24:51.99
recognize that there's still
much of the world that is not
00:24:51.99\00:24:54.96
yet reached.
00:24:54.96\00:24:55.69
Project X is an initiative
where we are taking the
00:24:56.19\00:25:00.66
graduates from our training
courses and launching them into
00:25:00.66\00:25:04.40
unreached territories
where there is no presence, no
00:25:04.40\00:25:07.44
Christian presence.
00:25:07.44\00:25:08.34
So these are difficult to reach
areas, but we believe using
00:25:08.64\00:25:12.14
Christ's method by ministering
to the needs, by teaching
00:25:12.14\00:25:15.64
health and so forth, that
we can make friends for Jesus.
00:25:15.64\00:25:19.28
So the LIGHT course is
traditionally, it's a four week
00:25:20.05\00:25:24.12
intensive course
studying the gospel and health.
00:25:24.12\00:25:26.89
Then we've added two weeks more
for church planting and how to
00:25:27.22\00:25:31.56
work in different cultures,
cross-cultural evangelism.
00:25:31.56\00:25:34.86
So we're launching out students
that have been through at least
00:25:35.23\00:25:39.07
six weeks of training.
00:25:39.07\00:25:40.50
Then it's a one year commitment.
00:25:41.27\00:25:43.44
They have to serve in a
community that has not been
00:25:43.54\00:25:46.61
worked before.
00:25:46.61\00:25:47.51
And this last
year was our trial run.
00:25:48.84\00:25:50.68
There were groups in Peru
and in Bolivia where they are
00:25:51.48\00:25:55.62
reaching into jungle
territories where there is no
00:25:55.62\00:25:58.49
Christian presence whatsoever.
00:25:58.49\00:25:59.85
And it's just been phenomenal.
00:26:00.22\00:26:02.22
So the project
is going to expand.
00:26:03.02\00:26:04.83
We've got opportunities around
the world, but just in the
00:26:04.99\00:26:08.13
three projects in Peru,
two in Peru and one in Bolivia,
00:26:08.13\00:26:11.63
they've planted three groups.
00:26:12.40\00:26:14.70
I don't know if you call
them churches quite yet, there's
00:26:15.10\00:26:17.14
three groups meeting regularly
and they've baptized 27
00:26:17.14\00:26:20.31
individuals in this one year.
00:26:20.31\00:26:23.18
Now all of these projects are
in cooperation with the local
00:26:23.65\00:26:27.25
conference.
00:26:27.25\00:26:27.82
So there's follow-up
planned in the conference.
00:26:28.25\00:26:30.49
They're helping us
choose the territories.
00:26:30.72\00:26:32.59
They're saying, we need someone
to reach out in this area.
00:26:32.92\00:26:35.56
So our missionaries are pioneer
missionaries going off into
00:26:35.89\00:26:38.73
these unreached areas, working
for one year, making friends,
00:26:38.73\00:26:43.23
teaching cooking classes
or giving consultations, just
00:26:44.10\00:26:48.04
going door-to-door or hut-to
-hut and seeing what the needs
00:26:48.04\00:26:51.71
are, praying with people and
just saying, hey, I'm here for
00:26:51.71\00:26:54.01
a year to help you.
00:26:54.01\00:26:55.54
That's why we're here is to
be a blessing to this community.
00:26:56.21\00:26:59.15
And it's produced
phenomenal results.
00:26:59.81\00:27:02.08
So we're looking at
Ethiopia and Philippines.
00:27:02.12\00:27:06.25
There are still some unreached
areas, of course, there.
00:27:06.45\00:27:08.96
And what's the other one?
00:27:10.29\00:27:10.93
Venezuela.
00:27:11.06\00:27:11.79
There's a huge
needs in Venezuela.
00:27:11.79\00:27:13.46
So we're looking at launching
up some new projects here.
00:27:13.63\00:27:15.96
And so, yeah, I just want to
share a little bit Project X.
00:27:16.56\00:27:18.43
It's a new thing from Light and
that's their member ministries
00:27:18.60\00:27:21.97
of OCI.
00:27:21.97\00:27:22.64
So Light is kind of a strategic
partner with OCI specifically
00:27:23.20\00:27:26.94
on the medical missionary
training or health education,
00:27:26.94\00:27:30.75
health evangelism type training.
00:27:31.11\00:27:33.25
Yeah.
00:27:33.52\00:27:38.05
whenever I was a youth in
Seventh-day Adventism, becoming
00:27:38.05\00:27:43.89
a missionary
was top of the list.
00:27:43.89\00:27:47.73
And it was all go to Africa
or, you know, go to a jungle
00:27:48.40\00:27:52.23
someplace.
00:27:52.23\00:27:52.87
And here we are, you
know, 60, 70, 80 years later.
00:27:53.70\00:27:57.84
I wonder if kids still have
that desire because you just
00:27:58.74\00:28:03.41
says, hey, there's new
territory opening up here.
00:28:03.41\00:28:06.78
You would assume that
everybody's all the jungles
00:28:06.78\00:28:06.82
have been
searched and everything.
00:28:10.55\00:28:12.19
I mean, boy, that shows you
how naive we are as a people.
00:28:12.95\00:28:16.19
We generally are.
00:28:16.42\00:28:21.16
missions and I kind of took
on the role of OCI president and
00:28:21.16\00:28:24.47
we have this vision that we
should have a network of lay
00:28:24.47\00:28:27.40
ministries in every
country of the world.
00:28:27.40\00:28:29.50
I think it's easy.
00:28:29.74\00:28:30.57
We got 23 countries left.
00:28:30.61\00:28:31.94
Let's just go do this.
00:28:31.97\00:28:33.07
You know, I'm just thinking
a list and click them off.
00:28:33.14\00:28:35.68
I have an
engineering background.
00:28:36.04\00:28:37.81
And so I'm thinking, you
know, data and simple stuff, you
00:28:37.85\00:28:41.08
know, when I began to study
it, it became apparent that that
00:28:41.08\00:28:44.65
was not the way it was globally.
00:28:44.65\00:28:47.32
There were 16,000 identified
people groups, which is either
00:28:47.86\00:28:52.73
a different language
or a different culture.
00:28:52.73\00:28:54.46
There's 7,164 actual
live languages today.
00:28:55.03\00:28:59.73
Wow.
00:29:00.60\00:29:00.64
Wow.
00:29:01.00\00:29:04.71
less than 1,000 of
those people groups.
00:29:04.71\00:29:06.94
Now it's true that we've
got the majors covered, but if I
00:29:07.21\00:29:11.35
don't misread Revelation
chapter 14 verse six, it says
00:29:11.35\00:29:15.48
to every nation and kindred
in tongue and tribe and people.
00:29:15.48\00:29:19.22
That means everybody's covered.
00:29:19.32\00:29:21.02
Even those little groups
isolated and in very difficult
00:29:21.82\00:29:25.86
circumstances.
00:29:25.86\00:29:26.66
Somehow the problem suddenly
became larger than I had
00:29:27.20\00:29:32.80
imagined when I recognized that
there's still a lot of work for
00:29:32.80\00:29:37.37
us to do.
00:29:37.37\00:29:38.01
And the truth of the story is,
is they may be on their knees
00:29:39.24\00:29:43.41
right now asking for new light.
00:29:43.41\00:29:45.71
Help us.
00:29:45.91\00:29:46.92
I mean, we're running out of,
we don't know what else to do.
00:29:47.18\00:29:49.75
We've intermarried and
intermarried and everything.
00:29:49.92\00:29:51.85
And there, where
there is no future.
00:29:52.25\00:29:53.82
Help us.
00:29:53.82\00:29:54.46
Jesus.
00:29:54.46\00:29:55.06
I met a man in Ethiopia
and this is what he told me.
00:29:56.29\00:30:00.13
He said, God called me to go
to this people group right here.
00:30:00.66\00:30:04.30
And he said, when I showed up,
they said, why did it take you
00:30:04.73\00:30:09.97
so long?
00:30:09.97\00:30:10.67
He said, we have been praying
for over a hundred years for
00:30:11.21\00:30:16.98
somebody to come
here and teach us.
00:30:16.98\00:30:19.85
Now you're coming.
00:30:20.12\00:30:21.12
Why did it take you so long?
00:30:21.75\00:30:23.39
And I thought, God help us.
00:30:23.49\00:30:25.65
Why does it take us so
long to get to that place?
00:30:26.45\00:30:30.39
It turns out that a missionary
had come there and he said he
00:30:30.49\00:30:34.86
would send somebody.
00:30:34.86\00:30:36.00
But in the stream of time
and circumstances, he went back,
00:30:37.20\00:30:40.17
but he couldn't
find anybody to send.
00:30:40.24\00:30:41.70
There was nobody to go.
00:30:41.77\00:30:43.07
And when this man showed
up, the question was, why did it
00:30:43.67\00:30:47.18
take you so long?
00:30:47.18\00:30:51.25
program and everything
are saying, Hey, let me go.
00:30:51.25\00:30:55.42
Choose me.
00:30:55.62\00:30:56.55
Who will I send?
00:30:57.45\00:30:58.65
Who will go for us?
00:30:58.79\00:31:00.06
This is serious stuff.
00:31:01.22\00:31:02.56
I mean, we're sitting here and
we're talking about the end of
00:31:02.76\00:31:05.93
time.
00:31:05.93\00:31:06.39
Yes, we are.
00:31:06.39\00:31:07.40
We're going to chapter.
00:31:07.93\00:31:09.03
I mean, we're
going to verse six here.
00:31:09.23\00:31:10.83
Yeah.
00:31:10.83\00:31:11.50
Every kindred in time.
00:31:12.23\00:31:14.07
I've got two quick questions
and then we've got to get to
00:31:14.07\00:31:17.07
your Nigerian king story here
because I don't want to tease
00:31:17.07\00:31:22.74
to it and not get to it.
00:31:22.74\00:31:24.21
But it occurred to me when JD
said that about growing up as a
00:31:24.51\00:31:29.62
child and missionary.
00:31:29.62\00:31:30.82
Do you have any, any ministries
that are with OCI who are say
00:31:31.35\00:31:36.32
in the United States?
00:31:36.32\00:31:37.63
Do you have ministries here?
00:31:38.19\00:31:39.76
The majority of our
ministries are based in the US.
00:31:39.89\00:31:42.46
There's about 100
ministries in the US.
00:31:42.70\00:31:44.80
So there are academies.
00:31:45.10\00:31:47.24
So it's not, it's not like
talking about, you know, listen
00:31:47.60\00:31:51.61
to what I'm saying.
00:31:51.61\00:31:52.67
You're out there
saying, Lord, I want more.
00:31:53.01\00:31:55.74
And God is
saying, yes, I want you.
00:31:55.94\00:31:58.35
I want to send you.
00:31:58.85\00:32:00.35
So go to outpost centers.
00:32:00.55\00:32:04.62
We'll put it on the screen.
00:32:04.62\00:32:06.32
Dot O R G.
00:32:06.52\00:32:08.26
Look for job opportunities.
00:32:08.59\00:32:10.49
Look for ministry opportunities.
00:32:10.53\00:32:12.43
You just go volunteer for a
few months, maybe this summer or
00:32:12.76\00:32:16.06
something, and then see if this
is what God would have you to
00:32:16.06\00:32:21.00
do.
00:32:21.00\00:32:21.40
It's so special.
00:32:21.44\00:32:22.77
Now it may be as simple as
getting out of your comfort
00:32:23.24\00:32:25.47
zone.
00:32:25.47\00:32:25.97
Yeah.
00:32:26.04\00:32:26.64
But now another thought,
and I won't use their names.
00:32:27.41\00:32:31.28
We don't share missionaries
names, but, but we have, we
00:32:31.41\00:32:37.39
have a precious couple.
00:32:37.39\00:32:39.59
I don't know if they're,
they just went, I mean, they got
00:32:40.79\00:32:44.93
trained in culture.
00:32:44.93\00:32:45.99
I'm assuming do couples just go
off and I mean, if they're with
00:32:46.19\00:32:49.66
OCI and maybe they're just
going to try to plant to church
00:32:49.66\00:32:53.57
or do something.
00:32:53.57\00:32:54.30
It happens where people
get impressed to do something.
00:32:55.30\00:32:58.14
I mean, there's, we have,
we could tell stories all night
00:32:58.14\00:33:01.58
about people who have decided
God is calling them and just
00:33:01.58\00:33:06.65
prayed and say, God,
where do you want me to go?
00:33:06.65\00:33:08.48
He impresses
them with a country.
00:33:08.85\00:33:10.25
They go, they sell
everything they have.
00:33:10.49\00:33:12.09
They go to that place and
they begin to work for God.
00:33:12.12\00:33:14.36
And God uses them in a powerful
way to do something in a place
00:33:14.36\00:33:14.39
they had never imagined they
would be speaking a language.
00:33:20.03\00:33:23.26
They never imagined they would
speak, you know, doing things
00:33:23.33\00:33:27.04
they never
imagined they would do.
00:33:27.04\00:33:29.04
But their testimony is this, I
wouldn't want it any other way.
00:33:29.07\00:33:33.48
We talked with someone
who went to India for a year.
00:33:33.94\00:33:38.15
That was 18 years ago.
00:33:38.95\00:33:40.45
Okay.
00:33:42.12\00:33:42.38
Okay.
00:33:42.38\00:33:42.42
So you had the opportunity
to visit a king in a palace.
00:33:43.62\00:33:50.83
Let's talk about that.
00:33:51.06\00:33:52.33
Yeah.
00:33:52.59\00:33:56.36
It was my first
trip to that area.
00:33:56.46\00:33:58.37
And so I wanted to
spend a little time there.
00:33:58.90\00:34:01.17
So we went to the country
of Cameroon first and our OCI
00:34:01.20\00:34:04.71
field vice president there
had kind of organized things.
00:34:04.71\00:34:07.21
So we did some work there
and then he said, we're going to
00:34:07.31\00:34:09.94
Nigeria next and we're going
to go and we're going to see the
00:34:09.94\00:34:13.65
king.
00:34:13.65\00:34:16.48
He said, well, so I had to
understand there's two kinds of
00:34:16.79\00:34:20.26
government there.
00:34:20.26\00:34:23.53
government.
00:34:23.53\00:34:24.36
And so he said, this King is
a tribal King in the northern
00:34:24.76\00:34:28.70
part of Nigeria.
00:34:28.70\00:34:29.63
Now our listeners may have
heard something about Northern
00:34:29.90\00:34:32.03
Nigeria, and this is the man
here and he's in that northern
00:34:32.03\00:34:37.17
part of Nigeria where there's
a lot of trouble sometimes and
00:34:37.17\00:34:39.97
unrest.
00:34:39.97\00:34:40.71
But we went there and we
arrived one evening and he is
00:34:41.14\00:34:47.22
the King over many Kings
and he lives in a palace.
00:34:47.22\00:34:51.35
Yeah.
00:34:51.59\00:34:55.62
So he's like the, the president
or the King of the region where
00:34:55.82\00:34:59.83
there's 13 other Kings.
00:34:59.83\00:35:01.10
So he's got a
fairly elevated position.
00:35:01.10\00:35:01.13
He's in the larger city
there and he lives in the King's
00:35:03.77\00:35:07.37
palace there.
00:35:07.37\00:35:08.24
And so we went to that place
and they'd invited us to go.
00:35:08.57\00:35:12.17
They knew we were coming and
I, but I was a little nervous.
00:35:12.24\00:35:15.28
I'm thinking, I don't
know what to do with a King.
00:35:15.44\00:35:17.18
You know, I mean, I've never
really been in the presence of
00:35:17.31\00:35:19.98
a King.
00:35:19.98\00:35:21.25
What, you know, what
terminology am I going to use?
00:35:21.28\00:35:24.32
And I was a little nervous, but
as soon as I saw this man, he
00:35:24.59\00:35:27.69
became my friend.
00:35:27.69\00:35:28.82
He's a Seventh-day Adventist
who God has used in the country
00:35:29.26\00:35:34.60
of Nigeria.
00:35:34.60\00:35:35.46
He was the head of all the
customs operations in Nigeria.
00:35:35.80\00:35:40.50
And when he retired from that,
they ask him if he would accept
00:35:40.90\00:35:44.64
this position to be the
tribal King over this area.
00:35:44.64\00:35:48.74
And he accepted it.
00:35:48.94\00:35:50.21
And so he lives in the palace
there and he takes care of the
00:35:50.41\00:35:54.55
business, the tribal
business for that region.
00:35:54.55\00:35:56.85
It was amazing experience.
00:35:57.45\00:35:58.75
And when I saw him that
evening, we met up in his, in
00:35:58.82\00:36:02.09
his room there in where
he lives and in the palace.
00:36:02.09\00:36:05.63
And I didn't know exactly what
to do, but when I saw him, it
00:36:06.06\00:36:09.23
became evident to me that
he was my brother in Christ.
00:36:09.23\00:36:12.20
And I just embraced him.
00:36:12.90\00:36:14.30
And I said, my brother,
I'm so happy to meet you.
00:36:14.34\00:36:17.87
And it was, it was really a
moving experience for me that I
00:36:17.87\00:36:22.38
didn't feel like
I had to bow down.
00:36:22.38\00:36:24.45
That wasn't the
kind of person he was.
00:36:24.51\00:36:26.48
He was a very humble man and
he has started a ministry there.
00:36:27.22\00:36:31.39
So one of our OCI ministries
is the ministry of that King in
00:36:32.05\00:36:38.29
that part of Nigeria.
00:36:38.29\00:36:39.53
He has started a school there
with over 400 children in it.
00:36:40.06\00:36:45.50
And when, when we visited
that school, he brought those
00:36:45.80\00:36:49.17
children together.
00:36:49.17\00:36:50.11
The director brought those
children together in the chapel
00:36:50.34\00:36:53.68
and they sang for us.
00:36:53.68\00:36:55.94
It was stunning.
00:36:56.01\00:36:57.11
It was amazing.
00:36:57.18\00:36:58.15
I was literally just amazed
by the music they could produce.
00:36:58.61\00:37:04.62
The teachers there are seventh
day Adventist teachers, but not
00:37:05.75\00:37:10.86
all of them.
00:37:10.86\00:37:11.79
He said, but we have to take
who we can get and we have to
00:37:12.09\00:37:15.53
train them on how to run a
seventh day Adventist teaching
00:37:15.53\00:37:19.07
program.
00:37:19.07\00:37:19.90
And so they've have a little
clinic there where the children
00:37:20.27\00:37:24.24
and the families
can get medical care.
00:37:24.24\00:37:26.21
And it's just,
God is using that man.
00:37:27.01\00:37:29.54
He started a training school
for training missionaries to go
00:37:30.08\00:37:33.88
into some of those
other tribal areas.
00:37:33.88\00:37:36.82
And we were sitting in his
parlor one evening visiting.
00:37:37.09\00:37:41.39
It was just before we left.
00:37:42.52\00:37:44.43
And as we sat there, another
man came in and I was like, I
00:37:44.79\00:37:48.23
was wondering who he was.
00:37:48.23\00:37:49.53
He was one of the other Kings.
00:37:50.20\00:37:52.17
And I found out he
was not of our faith.
00:37:53.57\00:37:56.44
He was a Muslim.
00:37:56.81\00:37:57.97
And so I was a little like,
I'm not sure how to interact in
00:37:57.97\00:38:02.18
that situation, but as we began
to end our discussion, I was
00:38:02.18\00:38:06.48
just convicted.
00:38:06.48\00:38:08.12
I should ask.
00:38:08.18\00:38:08.98
And I said, would it
be okay if we prayed?
00:38:09.08\00:38:10.72
Oh yes, it's wonderful.
00:38:11.09\00:38:12.29
Let's pray.
00:38:12.32\00:38:13.05
And so I turned to the man
who had come in and I says, is
00:38:13.52\00:38:16.39
there anything we
could pray for you about?
00:38:16.39\00:38:18.26
And he said, well, I'm
having some health challenges.
00:38:18.79\00:38:20.90
And so we prayed together
there, a Muslim and Christians
00:38:22.03\00:38:27.04
praying together to the God of
the universe, appealing to help
00:38:27.04\00:38:32.17
that man with his health.
00:38:32.17\00:38:33.38
I believe that God's going to
use that King in that place to
00:38:34.38\00:38:39.25
bring the gospel to some
of those challenging areas.
00:38:39.25\00:38:42.25
I can see that God is doing
something there and God shows
00:38:42.58\00:38:48.72
up.
00:38:49.42\00:38:49.99
Sometimes we think
we've got to do something.
00:38:51.93\00:38:54.63
We put him in a box, don't we?
00:38:54.83\00:38:56.80
But he's doing things ahead of
us and he shows up and we just
00:38:57.03\00:39:01.64
need to be present and to agree
to do what he asked us to do.
00:39:01.64\00:39:06.37
Because sometimes I was
hesitant to say, well, could we
00:39:06.51\00:39:10.28
pray?
00:39:10.28\00:39:10.68
But God had already opened
that door because I learned that
00:39:11.95\00:39:15.72
this man said, I love this
King, this man who's a Seventh
00:39:15.72\00:39:21.02
-day Adventist Christian.
00:39:21.02\00:39:21.96
He's almost like my father.
00:39:22.29\00:39:24.06
And so they have a very good
relationship and he respects
00:39:25.03\00:39:31.17
him and he's anxious to
know things and he wants to know
00:39:31.17\00:39:36.71
more.
00:39:36.71\00:39:37.07
And so I just saw it.
00:39:37.51\00:39:39.54
God showed up here and he's
doing something and he's making
00:39:39.54\00:39:43.85
progress and
teaching people about his way.
00:39:43.85\00:39:46.95
Praise the Lord.
00:39:47.55\00:39:48.48
Isn't it amazing?
00:39:48.95\00:39:50.52
You go from the story of a
Buddhist who hated Christians,
00:39:50.95\00:39:57.63
who couldn't speak English and
who's now teaching in his own
00:39:57.83\00:40:03.23
country as a converted
Christian and he's teaching all
00:40:03.23\00:40:06.67
of these prisoners.
00:40:06.67\00:40:07.50
You take a man with this humble
heart whose God has exalted to
00:40:07.90\00:40:13.04
such a position.
00:40:13.04\00:40:13.98
And, you know, I
have to tell you a story.
00:40:14.31\00:40:16.38
I had a doctor that didn't
even cross my mind that he was
00:40:17.08\00:40:21.95
Muslim.
00:40:21.95\00:40:22.35
How dumb am I?
00:40:22.55\00:40:23.52
So I was seeing him for a few
years and I gave him Exalting
00:40:24.35\00:40:27.92
His Word.
00:40:27.92\00:40:31.33
into His Presence,
The Grace Pipeline.
00:40:31.33\00:40:33.43
I'm giving him
these different books.
00:40:33.43\00:40:35.13
And then one day I'm asking
him, how can I pray for you?
00:40:35.96\00:40:39.30
Because he had such a heart.
00:40:39.30\00:40:41.10
I figured he was a Christian.
00:40:41.27\00:40:42.54
And come to find out his family
was still in an area that a lot
00:40:43.00\00:40:48.51
of war was going on.
00:40:48.51\00:40:49.84
And I looked at him, I
said, Oh, you're a Muslim.
00:40:50.78\00:40:56.08
And he said, Yes, but you
and I, he said, I believe we
00:40:56.52\00:41:00.56
worship the same God.
00:41:00.56\00:41:02.39
And so, you know, there's
things that it's like how
00:41:03.16\00:41:06.76
Buddhists hate Christians
without even meeting a
00:41:06.76\00:41:10.83
Christian.
00:41:10.83\00:41:11.07
We have to be careful that
that's a kind of prejudice.
00:41:12.00\00:41:19.11
It's a form of pride.
00:41:19.64\00:41:21.08
We think we know best.
00:41:21.61\00:41:22.98
God can bring people
together in amazing ways.
00:41:23.38\00:41:27.25
And that's His promise.
00:41:27.72\00:41:29.45
That is the Gospel right there.
00:41:29.92\00:41:32.52
I will bring my children from
the East and the West and the
00:41:32.59\00:41:35.86
North and the South.
00:41:35.86\00:41:36.69
And His children
are all human beings.
00:41:37.49\00:41:40.80
I would imagine every
one of us will learn a lot.
00:41:40.80\00:41:43.50
But not an isolated group.
00:41:43.57\00:41:45.07
Okay.
00:41:45.30\00:41:47.57
I'm usually not a person to
go through this, but I just, JD
00:41:47.87\00:41:51.44
was on their website
earlier and the website is
00:41:51.44\00:41:55.78
outpostcenters.org.
00:41:59.28\00:42:00.45
Outpostcenters.org.
00:42:01.45\00:42:03.25
It's there on the screen.
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Tell us some of the positions
that are being advertised right
00:42:05.25\00:42:09.42
now.
00:42:09.42\00:42:13.29
One thing I can do,
Shelley, is I can read.
00:42:13.29\00:42:13.33
I may be lacking in
some skills, but I can read.
00:42:17.57\00:42:20.54
And I find this just absolutely
exciting because we're going
00:42:20.54\00:42:26.11
from A to Z here and it
has nothing to do with y'all.
00:42:26.11\00:42:30.55
This is people that
I want to do something.
00:42:30.68\00:42:33.62
Yeah.
00:42:33.65\00:42:35.92
These are all of our ministries
that have these needs here.
00:42:36.05\00:42:38.92
All these entities out there
says, hey, we have these music
00:42:38.92\00:42:43.46
caretakers, cooks, health
food, massage, massages, chefs,
00:42:43.46\00:42:50.17
lifestyle physicians, probably
a lifestyle trained person,
00:42:50.77\00:42:57.04
physicians trained
person, therapists, translators,
00:42:57.54\00:43:01.98
editors, gardeners, farmers,
horticulturists, construction,
00:43:02.34\00:43:08.18
project manager, graphic
designers, fundraisers, RNs,
00:43:08.58\00:43:13.49
LVNs, Carpenters,
Development Directors.
00:43:13.82\00:43:16.66
I want to run out of steam.
00:43:17.43\00:43:18.63
Biblical Ministries,
Accountants, and then there's
00:43:18.99\00:43:22.60
that last two words, much more.
00:43:22.60\00:43:27.54
Sure, that's
just a small portion.
00:43:27.74\00:43:30.24
There's a lot of needs.
00:43:30.37\00:43:31.44
But when you're sitting
here saying, hey, 400 individual
00:43:31.57\00:43:36.54
Ministries around the world,
well, you can see that this is
00:43:36.54\00:43:41.42
just a little bit of
the top of the mountain.
00:43:41.42\00:43:46.05
That's right.
00:43:46.32\00:43:51.53
because they're worried
they are going to end up in the
00:43:51.53\00:43:53.70
jungle of Africa.
00:43:53.70\00:43:54.86
So please know that many of
those Ministries are right here
00:43:55.56\00:43:58.90
in the United States
and we need missionaries.
00:43:58.90\00:44:03.07
I know people from Japan that
are sending missionaries over
00:44:03.77\00:44:09.31
here because they think America
needs us missionaries badly.
00:44:09.31\00:44:12.68
That's true in some respects.
00:44:13.15\00:44:14.35
Yes, it is.
00:44:14.48\00:44:15.25
I wanted to highlight the first
one you read and just tell you
00:44:15.72\00:44:19.52
a short story
about a need I observed.
00:44:19.52\00:44:22.32
I was in the
country of Ethiopia.
00:44:22.72\00:44:24.23
We were holding an OCI
convention there and I went to
00:44:24.29\00:44:27.93
see a Ministry.
00:44:27.93\00:44:28.73
This Ministry is
called La Esperance.
00:44:29.23\00:44:31.70
It's a combination of
an orphanage and a school.
00:44:32.43\00:44:35.24
They have about 100 orphans
and they have about 1,500 other
00:44:35.24\00:44:39.94
students who come
from the community.
00:44:39.94\00:44:41.81
And so it is a
unique combination.
00:44:42.38\00:44:44.55
They have an
agriculture program.
00:44:44.68\00:44:46.01
They have all this stuff
they're doing, a school going.
00:44:46.11\00:44:48.92
It's just a thriving operation.
00:44:49.15\00:44:50.75
When you drive in the gate,
you know something's happening
00:44:50.82\00:44:53.25
there.
00:44:53.25\00:44:56.49
things happening.
00:44:56.49\00:44:57.16
Which country is that one in?
00:44:57.29\00:44:58.36
In Ethiopia, okay?
00:44:58.39\00:45:00.20
They have a number of La
Esperances around the world.
00:45:00.76\00:45:03.47
This one's in Ethiopia.
00:45:03.47\00:45:04.80
And I sat down with the
director and I said, what are
00:45:05.30\00:45:08.64
your needs and how can we help?
00:45:08.64\00:45:10.11
We're just here for a few hours
but we want to know and I'm
00:45:10.21\00:45:12.87
trying to discover.
00:45:12.87\00:45:13.81
And she said, right
now I need a music teacher.
00:45:14.41\00:45:16.54
And I noticed that he read
music teachers, one of those.
00:45:16.81\00:45:19.55
And I'm thinking maybe
there's a listener today.
00:45:20.08\00:45:23.69
Maybe there's a
person viewing this program.
00:45:23.95\00:45:26.62
He says, I would love
to go and help with music.
00:45:27.09\00:45:29.32
I would love to be able to
interact in that environment
00:45:29.32\00:45:33.13
and teach children music.
00:45:33.93\00:45:35.43
And they're praying
for you right now to come.
00:45:35.43\00:45:37.00
Yeah, there's people.
00:45:37.33\00:45:38.50
I just want you to
know those are real things.
00:45:38.67\00:45:40.27
There's real people.
00:45:40.54\00:45:41.74
There's real ministries.
00:45:41.80\00:45:42.87
There's real
children who need help.
00:45:42.94\00:45:45.37
That they could have a music
program that would glorify God.
00:45:45.84\00:45:49.31
Amen.
00:45:49.51\00:45:55.25
thinking, I teach music.
00:45:55.25\00:45:57.75
Amen.
00:45:57.75\00:45:58.22
Maybe I could go.
00:45:58.22\00:45:59.29
Well, if you want to find
out more, you can go to our
00:45:59.39\00:46:01.12
website.
00:46:01.12\00:46:01.56
You can contact us.
00:46:01.66\00:46:02.59
And we'd be happy to help
connect you with some of those
00:46:03.06\00:46:06.46
things.
00:46:06.46\00:46:11.37
years of my life is I
don't have enough information.
00:46:11.37\00:46:14.97
This is information galore.
00:46:16.20\00:46:18.81
This is a starting block
that you know somebody to call
00:46:19.44\00:46:22.78
because you can read what's
down there, what the web page
00:46:22.78\00:46:26.25
is.
00:46:26.25\00:46:31.49
I could just add to this that
I would encourage if someone
00:46:32.92\00:46:36.52
listening is thinking about
getting engaged in ministry or
00:46:36.52\00:46:40.30
starting their own ministry,
it's good to get a little
00:46:40.30\00:46:43.90
experience first.
00:46:43.90\00:46:49.17
mission center, centers of
influence, working at one that
00:46:49.17\00:46:52.54
you admire is a good, or
it could be in education or in
00:46:52.54\00:46:57.11
health, volunteer,
get some experience.
00:46:57.11\00:46:59.81
That will give you more power
to starting your own ministry
00:47:00.22\00:47:03.15
so you can not be starting
from scratch with no experience.
00:47:03.15\00:47:07.39
And I think that
you're qualified to have this
00:47:07.56\00:47:09.92
conversation right here.
00:47:09.92\00:47:11.13
You're a product of what
you're talking about, which is
00:47:11.89\00:47:16.53
fantastic.
00:47:16.53\00:47:17.30
And we're going back to
the personal testimony there.
00:47:18.13\00:47:20.87
We've just got about 10 minutes
left, but for someone that may
00:47:21.10\00:47:24.71
not have caught the first
hour, remind us again what the
00:47:24.71\00:47:28.51
support, the structure of OCI,
why would a ministry, maybe you
00:47:28.51\00:47:32.65
are wanting to start a ministry
or have started a ministry, why
00:47:32.65\00:47:36.38
would someone want
to become part of OCI?
00:47:36.38\00:47:39.92
Well, when you join OCI, you're
joining a community of like
00:47:40.72\00:47:44.53
-minded people that have the
goal of spreading the three and
00:47:44.53\00:47:47.23
those message to the world.
00:47:47.23\00:47:48.36
And in that community, there's
collaboration, there's, we have
00:47:48.70\00:47:53.44
conventions, there's
networking, there are prayer
00:47:53.44\00:47:56.30
chains, there's support.
00:47:56.30\00:47:57.74
We have counselors, we have
experienced people within our
00:47:58.37\00:48:02.04
network that will give
advice to different types of
00:48:02.04\00:48:04.78
ministries.
00:48:04.78\00:48:05.65
We offer leadership training.
00:48:05.78\00:48:06.98
We showcase our ministries and
promote our ministries from our
00:48:07.52\00:48:10.45
website and other social
media platforms and so forth.
00:48:10.45\00:48:13.66
So they can, and if they're not
a 501c3, they can have receive
00:48:13.66\00:48:18.13
funds because OCI is, which is
Outpost Centers International,
00:48:18.13\00:48:23.30
is a 501c3 ministry, so it
can come into you and people can
00:48:23.67\00:48:28.34
get the tax deduction and
then it gets passed on to the
00:48:28.34\00:48:31.54
ministry.
00:48:31.54\00:48:36.81
like, there's like some
social media components too.
00:48:36.81\00:48:38.91
People can follow your
ministry, they can like, they
00:48:38.91\00:48:41.82
can share, and
so they get updated.
00:48:41.82\00:48:44.25
If you post a fundraising
project, all of your followers
00:48:44.35\00:48:47.16
will get a notification.
00:48:47.16\00:48:48.32
So the website's built to
support the ministries and to
00:48:49.06\00:48:52.26
support the work that they do.
00:48:52.26\00:48:53.26
It's a very
sophisticated webpage.
00:48:53.50\00:48:55.96
I mean, it's up to date.
00:48:56.93\00:48:58.07
Praise the Lord.
00:48:58.07\00:48:58.10
So yeah, the strongest
components are probably in
00:48:59.63\00:49:02.34
fundraising.
00:49:02.34\00:49:03.07
We've got a team of accountants
that keep track of everything
00:49:03.57\00:49:05.91
and we have a lot of
accountability because we take
00:49:05.91\00:49:10.15
responsibility when
we're receiving the donations.
00:49:10.15\00:49:12.38
We also have this whole
volunteer section so you can
00:49:13.15\00:49:16.28
connect people with jobs.
00:49:16.28\00:49:17.49
Our ministries can post job
opportunities and anyone that's
00:49:18.19\00:49:21.49
viewing here, you can go
and make yourself available.
00:49:21.49\00:49:24.26
There's a page where people
can scroll, our ministries can
00:49:24.66\00:49:27.13
scroll through and try to see
who they might be able to hire,
00:49:27.13\00:49:30.60
you know, or use for a
short -term mission trip.
00:49:30.63\00:49:32.87
So if you want to put your
profile online right now, you
00:49:33.13\00:49:36.44
can go to outpostcenters.org,
put your profile on, and then
00:49:36.44\00:49:43.31
ministries who are looking for
someone just like you will be
00:49:43.31\00:49:47.75
able to contact you.
00:49:47.75\00:49:49.18
Yeah.
00:49:49.55\00:49:52.19
covered yet is
membership requirements.
00:49:52.19\00:49:54.82
Yes.
00:49:55.06\00:49:55.59
Who qualifies to
become a member of OCI?
00:49:56.73\00:49:59.09
So if you are, first of
all, you have to be a ministry.
00:50:01.00\00:50:03.20
We are a network of ministries.
00:50:03.43\00:50:05.10
So if you have a ministry that
has the goal of sharing Christ
00:50:05.53\00:50:09.47
and sharing the three of those
messages, you can be a part of
00:50:09.47\00:50:12.17
OCI.
00:50:12.17\00:50:14.98
So if you just have an idea, if
it's a concept, we won't accept
00:50:15.61\00:50:19.01
that.
00:50:19.01\00:50:21.28
You have to be...
00:50:22.85\00:50:24.25
That's smart.
00:50:24.25\00:50:24.72
Yeah.
00:50:24.99\00:50:30.19
Adventist Church, right?
00:50:30.19\00:50:33.63
Seventh -day Adventist Church,
which is to spread the three of
00:50:33.63\00:50:35.63
those messages and the
everlasting gospel to the whole
00:50:35.63\00:50:38.07
world.
00:50:38.07\00:50:38.67
If you have that in mind, and
that you acknowledge that the
00:50:39.33\00:50:43.71
tithe should be sent to
the organized church, okay?
00:50:43.71\00:50:46.41
That's a
requirement that we have.
00:50:46.57\00:50:48.44
Our ministries
don't accept tithe money.
00:50:48.94\00:50:50.95
We believe that should
go to the organized church.
00:50:51.18\00:50:53.28
We're supporting
ministries of the church.
00:50:54.62\00:50:56.62
Now, we receive donations, so
we recommend that people could
00:50:56.79\00:51:00.22
give beyond tithe they
can give to our ministries.
00:51:00.22\00:51:03.89
And so those are just basic
requirements to be in harmony
00:51:04.59\00:51:07.86
with the Bible, not having
strange doctrines and so forth,
00:51:07.86\00:51:13.74
and with our health ministries
that there's not weird stuff
00:51:14.17\00:51:17.04
going on.
00:51:17.04\00:51:19.44
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:19.44\00:51:19.47
But it's Bible-based and with
the spirit of prophecy to guide
00:51:20.71\00:51:25.38
us and to be within.
00:51:25.38\00:51:29.35
We want to be a part of a
plan that cooperatively with the
00:51:29.82\00:51:33.56
organized church and with the
lay people and the supporting
00:51:33.56\00:51:36.19
ministries we're all working
together to finish God's work.
00:51:36.19\00:51:39.23
Amen, amen.
00:51:39.23\00:51:40.03
All right, we only
have a few minutes left.
00:51:40.40\00:51:42.36
Steve, I know you've been
recuperating since you came
00:51:42.36\00:51:45.90
back with Bolivia that
you just returned from.
00:51:45.90\00:51:48.07
More than that, yeah.
00:51:48.07\00:51:49.60
Yeah, bless your heart.
00:51:49.60\00:51:51.11
Workers, workers,
workers, this is...
00:51:53.41\00:51:57.78
We are very convinced as a
couple, as a ministry here,
00:51:57.78\00:52:02.22
it's not long
before the Lord returns.
00:52:02.95\00:52:06.02
And we, you know, sometimes
I pray, I'm praying, Oh,
00:52:06.35\00:52:09.06
Maranatha, come, oh Lord.
00:52:09.09\00:52:10.43
And then I'm going, Oh, Lord,
give us, you know, one more
00:52:10.49\00:52:13.66
day, one more hour.
00:52:13.66\00:52:14.73
Give us time to reach more
people and be more intentional
00:52:14.83\00:52:19.67
even as a couple.
00:52:19.67\00:52:21.10
I mean, yes, we're in ministry
but let us be more intentional
00:52:21.20\00:52:25.27
wherever we go.
00:52:25.27\00:52:26.54
Workers, workers, workers,
you said that was the most
00:52:27.11\00:52:31.21
important thing that
you wanted to focus on.
00:52:31.21\00:52:33.85
You know, Jesus said, I pray
you therefore the Lord of the
00:52:33.92\00:52:37.32
harvest that he
will send forth labors.
00:52:37.32\00:52:40.26
I believe we're living in
the time of earth's history when
00:52:40.82\00:52:44.23
it's critical.
00:52:44.23\00:52:45.46
If there was ever a time that
I have personally observed, it's
00:52:46.13\00:52:50.27
now when the political, the
natural systems of the earth,
00:52:50.27\00:52:56.71
you just name
it, it's in turmoil.
00:52:56.74\00:52:58.64
Jesus is coming soon.
00:52:58.97\00:53:00.68
And what he needs is our
willingness to get involved.
00:53:01.21\00:53:04.58
And sometimes we
complicate it too much.
00:53:04.58\00:53:07.45
I see we're down to just almost
four minutes, but I have to
00:53:08.12\00:53:11.15
tell you one last story.
00:53:11.15\00:53:12.25
In the country of Cuba, we have
a ministry called World Youth
00:53:13.46\00:53:18.06
Group.
00:53:18.06\00:53:18.66
They train people, you've
probably met Henry and Arnold,
00:53:19.26\00:53:22.33
to send them.
00:53:23.10\00:53:24.20
I went there to visit the
country and to work with the
00:53:25.27\00:53:29.17
ministry for a little while.
00:53:29.17\00:53:30.74
And I said, I want to go to a
certain city because they told
00:53:31.07\00:53:35.11
me the story in that city
of how they started the church.
00:53:35.11\00:53:37.71
Sometimes we think
it's too complicated.
00:53:38.05\00:53:39.71
They went to this city and they
said, we don't know what to do
00:53:40.42\00:53:43.62
here.
00:53:43.62\00:53:45.42
Their job was to start a
Seventh-day Adventist Church in
00:53:45.85\00:53:48.52
that city.
00:53:48.52\00:53:49.12
They just walked around town.
00:53:49.69\00:53:50.79
They didn't know what to do.
00:53:50.93\00:53:52.26
The Lord impressed them
to go to the bus stations.
00:53:52.96\00:53:55.13
They went to the bus station.
00:53:55.20\00:53:56.30
They said, what are
we going to do here?
00:53:56.46\00:53:57.73
And what they found in the
bus station was dirty toilets.
00:53:58.77\00:54:02.67
And they began to
clean those toilets.
00:54:04.07\00:54:06.47
And people began
to ask questions.
00:54:07.51\00:54:09.81
Why are you doing this?
00:54:10.65\00:54:11.85
Even some came and
said, can we help you?
00:54:13.05\00:54:15.05
Oh yeah, sure you can help us.
00:54:15.35\00:54:16.95
And they took their own meager
money and were buying supplies
00:54:17.35\00:54:20.86
and cleaning the toilets.
00:54:20.86\00:54:22.02
Today, there is a Seventh-day
Adventist Church in that town
00:54:23.79\00:54:27.03
that I went personally and
saw because of cleaning toilets.
00:54:27.03\00:54:31.23
Sometimes we
complicate it too much.
00:54:31.33\00:54:33.20
God can use us in
simple ways to do amazing work.
00:54:34.14\00:54:39.37
But we have to be willing.
00:54:40.38\00:54:41.74
And so God can
do a lot of things.
00:54:42.01\00:54:44.45
And ultimately, He could
make the rocks to cry out.
00:54:44.58\00:54:47.22
But I believe it is our
privilege to engage with God,
00:54:47.52\00:54:52.02
allow Him to use us to
do something in our own
00:54:52.32\00:54:58.69
communities, in our
own neighborhoods, or maybe
00:54:58.69\00:55:01.70
globally, I don't know.
00:55:01.70\00:55:03.00
But to say, God, whatever
you want me to do, I will do it.
00:55:03.26\00:55:06.33
Wherever you want
me to go, I will go.
00:55:06.63\00:55:08.20
And if it's clean
toilets, I will clean toilets.
00:55:08.40\00:55:10.71
Because that can make an impact.
00:55:11.77\00:55:13.84
The two things that I
see there, it's not just
00:55:13.94\00:55:16.95
willingness, but it's humility.
00:55:16.95\00:55:18.71
It's humility.
00:55:19.45\00:55:20.12
You know, it's about what
this man who was formerly the
00:55:20.62\00:55:26.49
Buddhist learned, is he learned
in his, what he felt was a
00:55:26.49\00:55:32.23
failure when he was just
working with the children.
00:55:32.23\00:55:34.76
He learned total dependence
upon God when he was out there
00:55:35.03\00:55:38.63
fasting and praying and
screaming in the jungle.
00:55:38.63\00:55:42.24
He realized, listen,
none of us can do it.
00:55:42.34\00:55:45.21
Nobody's special.
00:55:45.37\00:55:46.27
And you hear this all
the time, but it is so true.
00:55:46.68\00:55:49.61
God does not call the qualified.
00:55:50.08\00:55:52.88
He qualifies the called.
00:55:52.88\00:55:56.08
So if you come to
the Lord, He can use you.
00:55:56.45\00:55:59.79
And I just want to encourage
you once again, these gentlemen
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could regale us with the most
amazing, inspiring, uplifting
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stories all night.
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But what my encouragement
to you is listen to the call of
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the Lord.
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Go to outpostcenters.org.
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See, check it out.
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See what God
would have you to do.
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I just want to thank you
so much, Steve, for being back
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here again.
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And it's just,
James, God bless you.
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And it's so exciting to see
what God has done in your life
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and how He turned your
life around for so many years.
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It's not a recent thing,
but that's the way we feel.
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It's just, it's like it
happened yesterday and God just
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put us on the right track.
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And you know what?
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When you work to bring glory
to God, there's not anything
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that's more rewarding
in the whole wide world.
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Thank you both for being here.
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Our prayer for you is that
the grace of our Lord and Savior
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Jesus Christ and the love of
the Father and the fellowship
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of the Holy Spirit
will be with you always.
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God bless you.
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