I want to spend my life.
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I want to spend my life.
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I want to spend my life.
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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn.
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I'm JD Quinn.
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And we welcome you
to 3ABN Today Live.
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And we're going to have
a great program tonight.
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Before I introduce our guest,
I just want to read one of my
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favorite scriptures, Three
Angels Broadcasting Network.
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We got our title or our
ministry name from the three
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angels of Revelation 14.
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And I think my favorite verse
is Revelation 14 verse 6 that
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tells us when these three
angels are appearing, John
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says, then I saw another angel
flying in the midst of having
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the everlasting gospel to
preach to those who dwell on
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the earth, every nation,
tribe, tongue, and people.
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The everlasting gospel,
the grace of God, the salvation
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offered through Jesus
Christ, the love of God is the
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foundation of the
three angels' messages.
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And tonight we have
two special guests with us.
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They are in a ministry.
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I think it's an exciting
ministry because they are a
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network.
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It's a thriving network.
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They have over 400 ministries,
lay ministries in this network,
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and they're in 87 countries.
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And they're wanting to go every
country of the world so that
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they can fulfill this scripture.
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So without further ado, let
me introduce our special guests.
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We have Steve Dickman, who
is the president of Outpost
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Centers International.
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Steve, welcome back.
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Thank you.
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It's good to be here.
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We always enjoy when you're
here because you have such
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great stories.
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And then we have James Hartley.
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And James, you are the vice
president of Outpost Centers
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International.
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We just welcome
you here as well.
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Thank you.
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Glad to be here.
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I'll tell you, that's a great
scripture for this particular
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program because we
are covering the world.
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You know, there's something
interesting, at least from my
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standpoint.
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When you read the gospel
commission in Matthew, and then
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you read the gospel commission
in Mark, and you read the
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gospel commission in Luke,
but John doesn't specifically
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address that in the gospel, but
he addresses it in Revelation.
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So what you've just shared with
us is one of my favorite verses
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as well.
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It's John's version of
the gospel commission in the
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context of these
three angels' messages.
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Amen.
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So it's amazing.
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And you know, if people don't
know the love of God, if they
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don't know the grace of God,
the rest of the three angels'
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messages aren't going to
make any difference to them.
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First, they've got to know God.
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And that takes workers,
that takes people who are out
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ministering on
behalf of the Lord.
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Well, I know that everyone
loves music and we have got a
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great pianist with us tonight.
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Josh Singletary, and he's going
to be playing, Oh How I Love
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Jesus.
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Amen.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Josh.
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That was wonderful.
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Yes.
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That was uplifting too.
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It was.
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Amen.
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are Steve Dickman and James
Hartley with Outpost Centers
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International.
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And boy, have they
got some stories to tell.
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But I know you wanted to
make a public thank you first.
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You see how big this glass is?
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Pretty big glass.
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We just got to send
some tomatoes that were about
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looking like this.
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Now, this is pre-tomato season
here in Southern Illinois, so y
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'all must have been busy.
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And I asked, where'd
you get those tomatoes?
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And I'll be, if you didn't say,
my group, my academy, the town
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that I live in and
everything, the academy there.
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Harvard Hills Academy.
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Harvard Hills.
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wait to get home and
have a tomato sandwich.
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I'm with you.
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I know what we're
having for lunch tomorrow.
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When it's tomato season, I like
tomato sandwiches like every
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day.
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Tomato and avocado.
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Well, this could be a
gardening program just as easy.
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You're out harvesting a
different type of people that
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got stories to tell and you've
got stories to tell because
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you're out there
making things happen.
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We love both of you.
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Yeah.
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I know that I always
love to hear people's personal
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testimonies and I know you do
as well because it shows us how
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the Lord works in our lives
and brings purpose to our life.
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So Steve, did you grow
up in a Christian home?
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Tell us your story.
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I did grow up in
a Christian home.
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Both of my parents, my
father was born as a Seventh-day
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Adventist Christian.
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My mother became a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian when she
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was about 15.
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They both ended up attending
a college in Tennessee that
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focused on
preparing missionaries.
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And so they decided that they
would dedicate their lives to
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mission.
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And so I was kind of
born into that environment.
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They helped to start this
school where these tomatoes
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came from.
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They helped start that.
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Wow.
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grew up learning about mission
and ministry from as early as I
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can remember.
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And boy, it took root in you.
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By God's grace.
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You just returned from Bolivia.
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We're going to hear
the stories, but you travel
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probably nine
months out of the year.
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You're going around the world.
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It's amazing how God is using
Outpost Centers International.
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And now, James, tell
us a little bit about your
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upbringing.
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Yeah, mine was a
little different.
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I was raised to a wonderful
Roman Catholic family in
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Wisconsin.
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I had never heard of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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before, but in my college years
doing some traveling, me and my
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friend got introduced to
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
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through a vegetarian restaurant
in Basel, Switzerland.
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It was called Country Life.
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And in fact, it was an
Outpost Center ministry.
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So it's through OCI that I
got introduced to Christ again,
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because I had really
left the Catholic Church.
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I was into Eastern
philosophies, meditations and a
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very different lifestyle,
drugs, alcohol, partying, just
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traveling around.
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And suddenly we meet some very
godly people and I volunteered
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on a farm referred to
from the restaurant in Italy.
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I lived three months on a
family farm that were mission
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-minded people and they
just introduced Christ to us.
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It was life-changing for me.
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So I ended up getting connected
with some of these other
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Outpost Center ministries.
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I got called down to Tennessee
and I ended up volunteering on
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the OCI headquarters,
which had a farm at the time.
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And I was just a farm help.
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I showed up there with a t
-shirt with skeletons on it and
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long hair.
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I didn't really have much of
a picture of it all, but it was
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life -changing for me.
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So I started to read scripture
there and got into the message
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and gave my life to it.
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So I decided to be a missionary
for the rest of my life.
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That was 25 years ago.
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I think what it is,
sometimes we focus on rules and
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regulation.
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What people need to find out
first is if they know the heart
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of God.
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When you see people who
are living, your faith should
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result in faithful living.
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And when you see that,
it is a magnet, isn't it?
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And then you got to know the
heart of God and you couldn't
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wait to serve it.
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I could see Christ through the
people that were witnessing to
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me and that was just a huge
witness to see the families,
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the people that were
passionate about God.
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And I knew they had something
that I was lacking and it just
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kept me there.
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So I kept volunteering.
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They were patient with me.
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I was a work in progress, but
thankfully they didn't kick me
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out.
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They let me stay there.
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So after nine months of
studying and so forth, that's
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when I joined the church and
was baptized and yeah, it was
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life -changing.
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So I've been serving in outpost
center ministries ever since
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that time.
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And that's over 20 years, right?
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Praise the Lord.
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And now tell us, outpost
centers international began in
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1983.
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Tell us a little bit about the
mission, the vision for outpost
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centers.
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Outpost centers international
is a collection of ministries
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who support the work of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church in
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helping to get the
gospel to the world.
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So from 1983 with a handful of
ministries, we're now, like you
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mentioned earlier, over 400
ministries scattered in about
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87 countries.
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But that's only the beginning
because the reality is that
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there's 235 countries and there
are a number of those countries
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where it is not
friendly towards the gospel.
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And so we believe that
laypeople have a special part
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to play in helping to get the
gospel into some of these very
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challenging areas.
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There's countries of the world
like Zambia where one in every
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15 people is a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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And so that's a fairly high
concentration, but there are
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other countries where it's one
in 20,000 or one in 40,000 or
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one in 60,000.
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And so those are the places we
believe and other areas of the
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world, even some that are not
in those countries, but they're
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tribal groups that
have not been reached yet.
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And so we just feel like
laypeople have a very special
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part to play in that journey.
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Well, we know for certain that
without laypeople the mission's
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not going to be accomplished.
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One other thing that I was
reading, I was on the internet
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researching the two of you.
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And one thing that caught
my attention was there are some
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countries that really don't
want pastors to even come into
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their country.
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And I like what you said,
but they all, the one thing that
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they all catch
hold of is an educator.
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And you were in
education for many, many years.
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And so all of a
sudden, come on in, sir.
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You're an educator.
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You're not a pastor.
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So this is kind of
what I'm hearing you say.
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There's a lot of countries
out there that are hungry and
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thirsting for Jesus, but
they just haven't had the
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opportunity to
learn who he is yet.
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Yeah.
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About two years ago, I visited
a country that is extremely
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closed to anybody
from the outside coming in.
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It was really kind of a miracle
that I was able to even get a
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visa.
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And on the application, they
asked, what is your profession?
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And because I'm a teacher as
well, I put educator and they
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gave me a visa to go to that
country where if you put pastor
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or missionary down, you're
not going to that country.
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So praise God for laypeople
that can engage in that kind
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of, you know, reaching into
some of those territories, like
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you say.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's just one of
those miracles that happens.
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And seed yields more seed.
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And there's another area that
the entire world seems to be
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open to, and
it's the health work.
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Doesn't matter how rich
you are, how poor you are, what
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country you live in,
people have health challenges.
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And so the, one of the arms
of outpost centers international
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that is fairly active is
the health work, whether it's a
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health center, a
wellness center, or it may be a
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vegetarian restaurant
or something like that.
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So we have a number of those
scattered around the world,
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James.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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clinics.
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We have Bush clinics.
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We're ministering to cities.
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So OCI is a, is a network
of, of church members that are
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actively involved in ministry
through the right arm, through
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the health message, ministering
as Christ ministered, helping
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people's physical needs,
looking to introduce the gospel
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to them, showing the
God also through education.
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And also I would say maybe a
three, a third part to this is
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businesses because through,
you know, lay people opening
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businesses that are gospel
focused, they can also be used
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to enter difficult
regions where like you, like you
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mentioned, pastors are not
so welcome or an outward gospel
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method is not allowed or legal,
but through health, through
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education, through business, we
can get inroads in some of the
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most difficult
countries in the world.
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And you have farming
and agriculture as well.
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Just kind of give us some.
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Well, let me mention this.
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So you're
bringing the two together.
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You've got ministry
minded people that need some
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assistance over here
because we're ready to go.
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Well, we don't
really know what to do.
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And then here is OCI.
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Well, we know what to do.
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We need your assistance.
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And so a
marriage is created there.
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Now is that kind of
the what we're saying?
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Yeah.
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There are 400 ministries.
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There's over 5,000 missionaries
engaged with all of these
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projects.
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Many of them have years of
experience in running academies
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or running wellness centers
or running language schools or
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running outpost agricultural
projects and centers of
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influence and restaurants
and health food stores in OCI.
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You're going to find expertise
in all those areas and joining
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into the network.
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You're going to get connected
with so many people that will
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help launch you into ministry
with some experience advising
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you.
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And I would imagine there's
people that are watching this
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that probably say, honey,
come here and listen to this.
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This could be a way that we
could join someone that could
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help us go
further with our ministry.
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It's actually one of one of our
things that we highlight often
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is on our website
at outpostcenters.org.
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People can go there and they
can find mission opportunities.
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I was just talking with a
ministry today and they said,
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I'm so happy I'm a part of
outpost centers because it's
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really being helpful to me.
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I post my need.
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I need someone to
help in agriculture.
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I need a cook.
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I need to come to this ministry.
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And they said, they've
been getting responses because
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people are also looking
for opportunity many times.
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And so it's a huge blessing.
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Now, one of the things that
we feel strongly about is that
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sometimes laypeople just need
to know they can do something.
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And so we're often sharing the
stories of other laypeople who
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are doing things so that as
they listen to that story, they
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go, ah, look, if that
guy can do it, I can do it.
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I can do something.
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So you have conferences where
you do trainings and you talk
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about sharing these testimonies.
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And so when people come,
I loved what you said in the
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green room.
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that you want to
get across tonight?
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He said,
mission, mission, mission.
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And it doesn't mean that you're
going to be called overseas.
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You can walk.
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fence.
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That's your heart.
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I think if we would recognize
the power of working together,
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sometimes we think, well,
somebody else is going to do
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it.
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No, it's for us.
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It's our opportunity.
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And if all of the Christians in
the world got together, it'd be
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amazing.
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Christians, maybe about
10, 12 million, would really go
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seriously on a mission
to do something for God.
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Wouldn't that be amazing?
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I think it would
change the world.
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You want to share the
story about when you were
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interviewing
those two young ladies?
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You know, as I travel, one of
the things I do is I interview
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people and get their story
because I love to tell stories.
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So I need stories and I
like to hear people's stories.
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So I was going to do an
interview with these two young
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ladies.
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They're in the Philippines.
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We're in the Philippines.
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They've come to
an OCI conference.
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And so I said, I've
got to get their story.
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And so I said, you would
be willing to be interviewed?
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Oh, yes.
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They said, it's fine.
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And so I'm thinking,
oh, this would be great.
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You know, I'm going
to get a story here.
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And so my opening question
was, I thought it was the right
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question.
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And I said, so
I'm Steve Dickman.
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I'm here in the Philippines
and I'm going to talk to Felicia
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and Ann, hear about their work.
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Who do you work for?
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And their response was amazing.
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They just looked at me
with this incredulous look on my
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face, like, I
thought you knew something.
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They said, well, of
course we work for God.
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And that really impacted me.
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I thought, you
know, isn't it so true?
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Sometimes we
forget who we work for.
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They had come on a journey
to get to this OCI conference.
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They had been, they had to
go up in the mountains because
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they're missionaries up there.
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They'd gone up in the mountains.
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Sometimes you hike for one full
day to get up to some of these
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villages where they go.
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So on the way up,
they had to cross a river.
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Well, you think,
okay, it's no big deal.
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Cross the river.
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So as they crossed the river,
they were struggling, you know,
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to get over the river.
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And we're talking the water
coming up probably to their
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waist.
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Wow.
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But they're not hesitating.
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They're waiting
across the river.
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They're going to
go on their mission.
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After being in the
village, it was still raining.
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And the people told
them, do not go down there.
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The river is too flooded.
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And they said, no, we have to
go because we're going the OCI
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conference.
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And so they're coming down.
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They're getting
close to the river.
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They can, they're getting near
the river and a little three
00:21:51.94\00:21:55.64
wheel, you know, the
Philippines have a lot of these
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little three wheel things.
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It came by and there's
a big old guy driving it.
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And he says,
where are you going?
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He says, oh, we're
going across the river.
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He says, we'll get in.
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I'll take you to the river.
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And they said,
oh no, we'll walk.
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He says, he insisted.
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He said, no, you have to get in.
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So they said, okay, we got it.
00:22:13.06\00:22:14.40
They got in the
back of this thing.
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They rode to the river.
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They get there.
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And they said, well, it
was raging by that time.
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We would say the water
was just swift and flowing.
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And he says, are
you going across?
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And they, and they
said, yes, we're going.
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And he says, well,
you must go with me.
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And so they got like behind
him and he said, no, you have to
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hold onto me.
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And so he helped
them across the river.
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You know, when they got to
the convention and they shared a
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little bit of how they
had gotten there, I was just
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thinking, these are the two
ladies that said, we're working
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for God.
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You know, God was
watching out for them.
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That guy that came
by wasn't an accident.
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I don't know, angels have
interesting jobs sometimes.
00:22:58.37\00:23:00.94
I don't know if he was an angel
or not, but I can tell you that
00:23:01.08\00:23:05.41
when they told me about
their journey to get there, I
00:23:05.41\00:23:08.82
recognize if we're truly
working for God, what do we
00:23:08.82\00:23:11.95
have to worry about?
00:23:11.95\00:23:12.82
The river may be deep.
00:23:13.46\00:23:14.72
The mountain may be high,
but we're working for God.
00:23:15.39\00:23:19.79
And we're sitting here
complaining because the airline
00:23:21.06\00:23:24.17
seat is not comfortable.
00:23:24.17\00:23:25.40
I get stuck in the middle here.
00:23:25.47\00:23:27.10
Lord, where are you?
00:23:27.60\00:23:28.94
And here's these
precious ladies here.
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I mean, wow.
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That concept is that if every
ministry, if every person had
00:23:32.27\00:23:39.38
that attitude, we
are working for God.
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There would be the
unity that Jesus prayed for.
00:23:42.35\00:23:45.22
You know, we would, we got to
hold on to one another and lift
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him high.
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And I love that.
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That's beautiful.
00:23:53.63\00:23:54.40
Yeah.
00:23:54.76\00:23:58.60
said.
00:23:58.60\00:24:02.74
me that I don't always
act like I'm working for God.
00:24:02.74\00:24:06.64
He says, you know, Isaiah
43 says, I know your name.
00:24:07.58\00:24:11.81
He says, when you pass through
the waters, I will be with you.
00:24:12.91\00:24:16.32
Yep.
00:24:17.25\00:24:20.42
So if we're working for
the king, we have special
00:24:21.39\00:24:28.40
privileges.
00:24:28.40\00:24:29.20
Amen.
00:24:29.46\00:24:29.63
Amen.
00:24:30.47\00:24:30.93
Amen.
00:24:31.10\00:24:31.43
It's well put.
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So James, do you travel?
00:24:34.14\00:24:35.94
You don't travel quite as much.
00:24:36.10\00:24:37.94
I don't travel quite as much as
Steve, but not many people do.
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He's on the move all the time.
00:24:41.44\00:24:43.98
It's amazing from one
place to another, which I really
00:24:44.08\00:24:46.58
appreciate because I can't,
I don't want to travel as much
00:24:46.58\00:24:49.85
because I have a young family.
00:24:49.85\00:24:51.12
I've got a seven and a nine
year old daughters, my wife.
00:24:51.25\00:24:54.26
So I travel a bit.
00:24:54.49\00:24:56.02
Yeah.
00:24:56.09\00:24:57.96
I was in Brazil, but there
I sometimes I bring my family.
00:24:57.96\00:25:01.03
My wife is Brazilian, so
that works out really good.
00:25:01.23\00:25:03.77
We had, we went to an OCI
convention in Brazil, which was
00:25:04.27\00:25:07.14
really a blessing and traveled
around to visit different
00:25:07.14\00:25:10.24
ministries.
00:25:10.24\00:25:10.84
There's 18
ministries now in Brazil.
00:25:11.11\00:25:13.24
It's a really growing
territory, several new
00:25:13.44\00:25:16.48
projects, wellness centers,
evangelistic projects, and so
00:25:16.48\00:25:20.52
forth.
00:25:20.52\00:25:20.82
And it was great.
00:25:21.48\00:25:22.65
I get to teach classes
as I travel around to them.
00:25:22.65\00:25:25.09
And at one of them, maybe just
a short story, I met a young
00:25:26.25\00:25:29.89
man.
00:25:29.89\00:25:33.70
clinic and some health work.
00:25:33.70\00:25:34.63
He was large.
00:25:35.56\00:25:36.67
And so I thought, oh, he
must be a lifestyle guest.
00:25:37.27\00:25:39.00
But then in the afternoon, I
was teaching a class and he was
00:25:39.13\00:25:41.90
sitting in the front row.
00:25:41.90\00:25:42.64
I said, oh, you're a student.
00:25:42.80\00:25:44.11
He said, yeah.
00:25:44.11\00:25:45.14
I said, how long you been here?
00:25:45.14\00:25:46.14
Six months.
00:25:46.14\00:25:46.84
And he says, yeah, this
place has helped me a lot.
00:25:47.51\00:25:50.45
I've lost a hundred pounds.
00:25:50.81\00:25:52.38
Wow.
00:25:52.98\00:25:53.25
He was 400 pounds when
he came to the Institute.
00:25:54.05\00:25:58.02
Some missionary
found out about him.
00:25:59.05\00:26:01.46
He was at his very end.
00:26:01.56\00:26:02.82
He was suicidal.
00:26:02.86\00:26:03.66
He was thinking
of ending his life.
00:26:03.73\00:26:05.39
He was wrapped up in, yeah,
spiritualism and kind of some
00:26:05.86\00:26:11.10
demonic stuff.
00:26:11.10\00:26:12.00
And his life was falling apart.
00:26:12.97\00:26:14.40
He was out of control.
00:26:14.44\00:26:15.47
His health was out of control.
00:26:15.54\00:26:16.77
He got brought to this
outpost center property.
00:26:17.07\00:26:20.38
And that's where
our name comes from.
00:26:20.38\00:26:21.78
It's a, you know, not all of
our places are in the country.
00:26:22.01\00:26:24.91
Some are in the city, but a
lot of them are these outpost
00:26:25.38\00:26:28.25
centers that the name comes
from a ministry that's just
00:26:28.25\00:26:31.05
outside the city.
00:26:31.05\00:26:32.09
So it can be a nice,
natural, healing environment for
00:26:32.22\00:26:35.66
education, for healing and so
forth and nice country living.
00:26:35.66\00:26:39.93
So he got brought out there and
they said, well, what can you
00:26:40.46\00:26:43.60
do?
00:26:43.60\00:26:46.17
He could work 10
minutes and he was done.
00:26:46.27\00:26:48.97
Okay.
00:26:49.34\00:26:49.74
His heart was beating.
00:26:49.90\00:26:51.11
He was out of breath and he had
all kinds of health problems.
00:26:51.11\00:26:54.14
But over several months
he began, his life began to
00:26:54.24\00:26:58.41
change.
00:26:58.41\00:27:00.92
And when I saw him, you know, I
realized this, this man or this
00:27:01.35\00:27:04.95
young man, he was probably
only about 22 years old.
00:27:04.95\00:27:07.59
His whole life had changed.
00:27:07.59\00:27:08.96
Yeah.
00:27:09.19\00:27:12.53
100 pound difference.
00:27:12.63\00:27:13.66
And he was on a path.
00:27:13.70\00:27:14.86
He says, I'm working
on the farm all day long.
00:27:14.86\00:27:17.40
I'm full of energy.
00:27:17.63\00:27:18.77
I'm strong.
00:27:19.13\00:27:19.63
I'm healthy.
00:27:19.77\00:27:21.97
I just got baptized.
00:27:22.04\00:27:23.14
I gave my life to God.
00:27:23.34\00:27:24.47
These people here at
this, at this ministry here have
00:27:24.47\00:27:28.08
completely changed my life.
00:27:28.08\00:27:29.84
It really blew me away.
00:27:30.38\00:27:31.78
And in the classroom, he
was the most inquisitive, asking
00:27:31.78\00:27:31.81
all kinds of questions.
00:27:34.52\00:27:35.48
He said, I want to serve God
the rest of my life and I want
00:27:35.75\00:27:38.59
to help out these
different ministries.
00:27:38.59\00:27:40.36
So yeah, he's very excited.
00:27:40.66\00:27:42.62
I could see it in his life.
00:27:42.62\00:27:43.93
He was a living testimony of
the kind of change lives that
00:27:43.93\00:27:43.96
can happen through
these, through these outpost
00:27:47.66\00:27:50.60
ministries.
00:27:50.60\00:27:51.17
Yeah.
00:27:51.37\00:27:55.24
about the outpost centers
international, I always hear
00:27:55.24\00:28:01.14
that they're
using Christ's method.
00:28:01.14\00:28:03.51
They're reaching out the love
of Christ, the healing, the,
00:28:03.85\00:28:08.68
the personal interest.
00:28:08.68\00:28:10.19
And like I said, if that's,
that is something that if you
00:28:10.35\00:28:15.59
come at people just with rules
and regulations, religion, you
00:28:15.59\00:28:20.66
know, it's got
to be relationship.
00:28:20.66\00:28:22.20
They have to have a
relationship with the Lord.
00:28:22.43\00:28:24.73
And when he saw their love and
he started understanding God's
00:28:25.53\00:28:29.10
heart, he gave God his heart.
00:28:29.10\00:28:31.14
They didn't judge him how
he looked, where he came from.
00:28:31.27\00:28:34.18
He was a mess.
00:28:34.21\00:28:34.98
They opened up their
doors, even though he, there was
00:28:35.58\00:28:37.55
nothing he could do to
help them in the beginning.
00:28:37.55\00:28:39.35
But now actually they've got
a strong helper around there and
00:28:39.51\00:28:43.15
he's motivating others.
00:28:43.15\00:28:44.42
And yeah.
00:28:45.32\00:28:46.19
So the, the people that
the personal contact is so
00:28:46.42\00:28:49.39
important and yeah.
00:28:49.39\00:28:51.63
So it's exciting to be a part
of, to see ministries like this
00:28:51.66\00:28:54.63
making such impact.
00:28:54.63\00:28:56.00
Yeah.
00:28:56.46\00:28:59.20
Three, this is
the notes that I have.
00:28:59.50\00:29:01.74
So I'm in the ballpark.
00:29:01.80\00:29:02.90
I don't know, just
have 368 ministries.
00:29:03.10\00:29:08.21
That's about 400.
00:29:08.64\00:29:09.61
400.
00:29:09.94\00:29:14.35
a pretty rapid rate.
00:29:14.35\00:29:15.28
Let's put that graphic up
because this is impressive what
00:29:15.62\00:29:19.85
the Lord is doing.
00:29:19.85\00:29:21.09
Remember this is the mission is
to have a thriving network and
00:29:21.46\00:29:25.83
we're going to talk about
why people join because they get
00:29:25.83\00:29:29.16
all of this support.
00:29:29.16\00:29:30.13
But look at the growth since
they began in 1981 and look at
00:29:30.50\00:29:36.94
this explosive growth that
you've been through the last
00:29:36.94\00:29:40.94
couple of years.
00:29:40.94\00:29:41.84
It's amazing.
00:29:42.01\00:29:43.08
Well, what I was thinking about
was there's 365 days in a year.
00:29:43.81\00:29:47.32
Is that right?
00:29:47.42\00:29:48.12
I think so.
00:29:48.15\00:29:49.15
Yeah.
00:29:49.15\00:29:49.68
And I saw the 368
that just jumped up to 400.
00:29:50.19\00:29:53.22
Yeah.
00:29:53.32\00:29:53.66
My goodness.
00:29:53.96\00:29:54.86
That's, that's seeing someone
every one in that one and a
00:29:55.19\00:29:58.46
third every day.
00:29:58.46\00:29:59.86
Yeah.
00:29:59.96\00:30:03.40
This is amazing.
00:30:03.93\00:30:05.33
This is amazing.
00:30:05.73\00:30:06.90
Yeah.
00:30:07.40\00:30:11.64
James, maybe you could say just
talk about this team that we're
00:30:11.84\00:30:15.31
developing that
supports the ministries.
00:30:15.31\00:30:17.61
Yeah.
00:30:17.88\00:30:20.98
ministries that we're starting.
00:30:20.98\00:30:22.15
Steve and I are
not out there starting.
00:30:22.48\00:30:24.02
No, I understand that they're,
they're getting drawn in and
00:30:24.62\00:30:27.42
they're exactly what we see
with part of that I feel like
00:30:27.42\00:30:32.23
God, the Holy Spirit is being
poured out on people around the
00:30:32.23\00:30:35.43
world and they're
getting engaged in ministry.
00:30:35.43\00:30:37.20
Amen.
00:30:37.83\00:30:39.33
Could I ask you this?
00:30:39.33\00:30:40.54
Yeah, sure.
00:30:40.54\00:30:40.77
Sure.
00:30:41.04\00:30:46.17
decided to start this ministry
and we're doing this and maybe
00:30:46.17\00:30:49.31
we haven't become a 501C3.
00:30:49.31\00:30:52.01
Right.
00:30:52.01\00:30:52.05
mean, I know, but explain to
our viewers why people want to
00:30:57.69\00:31:02.79
become part of OCI,
what you're offering.
00:31:02.79\00:31:05.39
Yeah.
00:31:05.86\00:31:09.53
are engaged in ministry.
00:31:09.53\00:31:11.47
Right.
00:31:11.60\00:31:15.74
We'll help
promote your ministry.
00:31:15.90\00:31:17.21
Then we have tools on our
website where you could do
00:31:17.57\00:31:19.81
fundraising through our
ministry because you may not
00:31:19.81\00:31:21.88
have your 501C3 set up, but
if you're doing gospel work, you
00:31:21.88\00:31:27.48
could be raising
money through OCI.
00:31:27.48\00:31:29.32
So we have a vetting
process to accept members.
00:31:29.62\00:31:31.69
And if they're doing work
similar to our charter, they
00:31:32.45\00:31:35.49
can join in, they can
fundraise, they can launch
00:31:35.49\00:31:37.66
fundraising
projects on our website.
00:31:37.66\00:31:39.23
They can get connected
and finding helpers and staff.
00:31:39.53\00:31:42.26
They can promote, then they
can come to our conventions,
00:31:42.36\00:31:45.07
network with, find
out about the ministries.
00:31:45.53\00:31:48.27
And it's really neat because
OCI is kind of a connecting
00:31:48.60\00:31:50.81
glue between ministries.
00:31:50.81\00:31:52.34
And there's a lot of
collaboration that happens
00:31:52.67\00:31:54.61
because one place might be
training people, the other one
00:31:54.61\00:31:57.25
is hiring them, you know, and
there's a lot of give and take
00:31:57.25\00:32:00.98
between the ministries.
00:32:00.98\00:32:02.02
So when you're in, when you're
in that network, you know,
00:32:02.28\00:32:05.12
there's a lot of, you know,
connections that happen that
00:32:05.12\00:32:09.12
that's, that wouldn't be so
easy if OCI wasn't there making
00:32:09.12\00:32:13.16
these, getting these ministries
connected with each other.
00:32:13.16\00:32:16.00
So are you teaching them about
like, if say someone is going
00:32:16.00\00:32:20.40
overseas, are you teaching
them a culture, the language?
00:32:20.40\00:32:24.61
What?
00:32:25.01\00:32:25.14
Yeah, there's a
variety of things.
00:32:25.84\00:32:27.21
Now, some of them
are already there.
00:32:27.88\00:32:30.05
They're from that place.
00:32:30.05\00:32:31.75
What they need is what's
the bar for good practice on how
00:32:32.05\00:32:37.19
you do governance?
00:32:37.19\00:32:38.49
How can we do better
fundraising to enhance the work
00:32:39.25\00:32:44.19
we can do with our project?
00:32:44.19\00:32:45.56
How can we really build a team?
00:32:46.09\00:32:47.86
What does that look like?
00:32:48.13\00:32:49.43
Because we're growing and we
need more people, but we don't
00:32:49.53\00:32:52.87
know how to do this.
00:32:52.87\00:32:53.67
So sometimes it's that.
00:32:53.74\00:32:55.10
And it's a big, and, and one
of my joys is attending these
00:32:56.47\00:33:01.64
events that are planned
mostly by our field team.
00:33:01.64\00:33:04.81
But when I go, I see these
ministries because ministry on
00:33:05.05\00:33:08.98
the front lines is often lonely.
00:33:08.98\00:33:10.95
You feel like
you're there by yourself.
00:33:11.72\00:33:13.52
You're the only one
facing these problems.
00:33:13.92\00:33:15.89
Everybody else has
an easy life, you think.
00:33:16.09\00:33:18.06
But when you get together with
the other ministries and talk
00:33:18.59\00:33:21.83
to their leaders, you
find out it's not true.
00:33:21.83\00:33:24.07
Everybody has the same
problems, similar problems,
00:33:24.40\00:33:27.47
I'll say.
00:33:27.47\00:33:28.10
And as I see them talking
together, praying together,
00:33:28.94\00:33:33.21
encouraging each other and
walking away just really feel
00:33:33.21\00:33:39.15
like they can go back now
and they can do something more.
00:33:39.15\00:33:43.39
It really blesses
me to see that happen.
00:33:44.52\00:33:47.46
So OCI plays a role.
00:33:48.32\00:33:49.86
James called it kind of
like a family, a network.
00:33:50.33\00:33:52.86
And that's so true because
many times that's what they're
00:33:52.93\00:33:56.26
needing more than anything else.
00:33:56.26\00:33:58.67
But the other areas
are important They need
00:33:58.77\00:34:01.60
encouragement.
00:34:01.60\00:34:02.10
And we have prayer chains and
these are different languages.
00:34:02.97\00:34:06.27
Not everybody's
speaking English.
00:34:06.44\00:34:07.58
So in Brazil, there's
a community of these 18
00:34:07.64\00:34:10.11
ministries that are all texting
each other on WhatsApp, praying
00:34:10.11\00:34:14.08
for one another, and they
try to meet each other's needs.
00:34:14.08\00:34:16.65
They're working together,
supporting one another.
00:34:17.02\00:34:18.92
That's extremely meaningful.
00:34:19.22\00:34:20.86
This is what I read about OCI.
00:34:21.22\00:34:25.13
Join the family.
00:34:26.06\00:34:27.23
Why?
00:34:28.43\00:34:28.90
There are seven reasons.
00:34:30.30\00:34:31.60
Spiritual
competence, like -mindedness.
00:34:32.80\00:34:35.87
We've talked about that.
00:34:35.87\00:34:37.34
Someone to consult with.
00:34:37.87\00:34:39.51
They can talk to.
00:34:39.97\00:34:41.21
Hey, I'm experiencing this.
00:34:41.38\00:34:43.14
Networking and synergy.
00:34:43.95\00:34:46.05
Financial services.
00:34:47.88\00:34:49.22
It's a very
important part of it.
00:34:50.82\00:34:52.09
No, certainly.
00:34:52.09\00:34:52.75
Try to start anything without
finances and you'll find out
00:34:54.29\00:34:58.09
real quick how
important they are.
00:34:58.09\00:34:59.73
Media service.
00:35:00.36\00:35:01.30
Global exposure.
00:35:02.00\00:35:03.67
Not just talking
about 20 miles from home.
00:35:04.30\00:35:06.74
Global.
00:35:07.40\00:35:07.84
Number six, important, training.
00:35:08.74\00:35:10.77
They'll give you
some tools to train.
00:35:11.44\00:35:13.11
So we've got a toolbox here.
00:35:13.27\00:35:14.64
Now it's getting full.
00:35:14.68\00:35:15.78
And number seven,
strategic development.
00:35:16.58\00:35:19.51
What a business plan that is.
00:35:20.62\00:35:22.62
I mean, all I know is that I
love Jesus and I have a heart
00:35:23.65\00:35:28.06
for him and I want to get
out there and I want to call on
00:35:28.06\00:35:30.69
everybody.
00:35:30.69\00:35:31.29
Hey, young man, I think
that we can help each other.
00:35:32.33\00:35:35.76
And I mean, here the simplicity
is we can consult with you.
00:35:37.07\00:35:41.44
We can network with you.
00:35:41.44\00:35:42.70
We can help you
connect the dots financially.
00:35:42.84\00:35:46.31
You want some global exposure.
00:35:47.24\00:35:49.28
We've got global exposure.
00:35:49.98\00:35:51.68
OCI.
00:35:52.18\00:35:52.95
We've been where
you were 40 years ago.
00:35:53.58\00:35:56.32
Okay.
00:35:57.09\00:35:57.12
And so training.
00:35:57.72\00:35:58.55
So what are we looking for?
00:35:58.82\00:36:01.56
Someone that's like-minded.
00:36:01.86\00:36:03.16
Someone that's mission driven
and someone that is committed.
00:36:03.96\00:36:08.66
But with all of these services,
all these advantages, how do we
00:36:09.60\00:36:14.00
provide that for 400 ministries
in 87 different countries?
00:36:14.00\00:36:17.44
How do you do that?
00:36:17.64\00:36:18.67
So we have a leadership
team of experienced people.
00:36:18.67\00:36:18.71
People who have been in
ministry a long time and have
00:36:22.74\00:36:24.78
experience in different areas.
00:36:24.78\00:36:26.21
Speak different languages.
00:36:26.82\00:36:27.68
Yeah, they speak
different languages.
00:36:27.88\00:36:29.12
And maybe we could
pull up even the picture.
00:36:29.32\00:36:30.85
This is just a couple of slides
of our international leadership
00:36:31.05\00:36:34.72
team.
00:36:34.72\00:36:38.66
We have a field vice president
for every division of the world
00:36:38.79\00:36:42.20
church and also
regional directors for different
00:36:42.20\00:36:46.40
countries.
00:36:46.40\00:36:47.17
And so these people
here are experienced.
00:36:47.67\00:36:49.94
They are local.
00:36:50.51\00:36:51.44
They go come
visit your ministry.
00:36:51.71\00:36:53.17
They will give counsel.
00:36:53.71\00:36:55.34
They will help
with strategic planning.
00:36:55.74\00:36:57.35
We're providing
leadership training.
00:36:57.98\00:36:59.55
We're explaining how to use the
website and how to get more of
00:37:00.12\00:37:04.35
the benefits of OCI.
00:37:04.35\00:37:05.49
They're
promoting the conventions.
00:37:06.39\00:37:07.66
They're
organizing the conventions.
00:37:07.76\00:37:09.12
Steve and I sometimes are
flying around attending the
00:37:09.82\00:37:12.89
conventions, but there's
teams in all these countries in
00:37:12.89\00:37:15.63
Chile, in Colombia, in
the Philippines, in India.
00:37:15.63\00:37:18.93
They're organizing these lay
missions conventions, drawing
00:37:19.17\00:37:24.67
in not only the ministries, but
any interested church members
00:37:24.67\00:37:28.14
that want to get
leaders, pastors will come.
00:37:28.14\00:37:31.28
And so it's the field
team that's really causing the
00:37:32.18\00:37:35.65
growth, helping us to achieve
what we really want to do.
00:37:35.65\00:37:39.45
We're just trying from the
office to organize it, get the
00:37:40.56\00:37:43.66
tools in place.
00:37:43.66\00:37:44.56
Which is much needed because
there has to be leadership.
00:37:45.69\00:37:48.33
But all I'm saying is
that Shully and I, we just want
00:37:48.83\00:37:51.70
somebody that will listen to us.
00:37:51.70\00:37:53.60
That's where it comes down to.
00:37:54.97\00:37:57.41
Gotta connect all these dots.
00:37:59.21\00:38:01.01
But now let me ask you a
question because you mentioned
00:38:01.54\00:38:04.85
that there's now 405 ministries
and it's just growing so
00:38:04.85\00:38:08.98
quickly.
00:38:08.98\00:38:13.22
But you mentioned that
there's over 5,000 workers.
00:38:13.96\00:38:18.73
Talk to us about the workers.
00:38:18.99\00:38:20.33
So we don't keep an exact track
of this, but with all these,
00:38:20.33\00:38:24.87
like at Harvard Hills Academy,
we have there serving, we
00:38:25.23\00:38:30.17
probably have 50,
60 staff members total.
00:38:30.17\00:38:32.77
So you take 400 ministries
and start looking at the numbers
00:38:33.64\00:38:39.71
there.
00:38:39.71\00:38:40.42
Some of them just have maybe
two or three staff that are
00:38:40.92\00:38:44.12
serving.
00:38:44.12\00:38:49.32
center, a wellness
center, a school, an orphanage.
00:38:49.32\00:38:52.26
So you add all those up,
I'm quite sure we're over 5,000
00:38:52.76\00:38:56.56
missionaries serving
globally in these places.
00:38:56.56\00:39:00.47
And the interesting thing
is we have a sincere, studied,
00:39:01.00\00:39:06.44
carefully planned desire
to work very closely with the
00:39:07.14\00:39:10.98
pastors and church
administrators of the Seventh
00:39:10.98\00:39:13.31
-day Adventist Church.
00:39:13.31\00:39:13.98
We want to work hand in hand.
00:39:15.38\00:39:17.09
We want to be there
to partner with them.
00:39:17.59\00:39:19.45
We want to know that we
are praying for their field and
00:39:19.69\00:39:24.73
have workers in their field
helping to get the gospel to
00:39:24.73\00:39:29.20
that part of the world.
00:39:29.20\00:39:30.50
So we work very closely with
them and we encourage them to
00:39:30.83\00:39:34.60
work very closely with
each other so that we're not in
00:39:34.60\00:39:38.44
competition.
00:39:38.44\00:39:38.94
Competition is like, I
can do better than you, but
00:39:39.74\00:39:43.41
cooperation and working
together is so much better.
00:39:43.41\00:39:49.12
Amen.
00:39:49.38\00:39:53.02
church and with each other.
00:39:53.02\00:39:55.42
And it's a powerful, powerful
synergy that comes together as
00:39:55.69\00:40:02.13
they experience working closer
and as they experience working
00:40:02.13\00:40:09.50
closely with the church as well.
00:40:09.50\00:40:12.07
So there are numerous
opportunities for us to work
00:40:12.51\00:40:17.15
more closely with the church.
00:40:17.15\00:40:18.68
And a lot of these places
where it's very challenging or
00:40:19.08\00:40:21.68
difficult are the
specialty for lay people.
00:40:21.68\00:40:25.72
So we just, when we
see that, it encourages us.
00:40:25.82\00:40:29.42
And you know what is exciting
to me is, I want to be sure
00:40:29.42\00:40:33.86
that we put up your, in case
somebody can't join us during
00:40:33.86\00:40:37.63
the second hour, you may be
watching right now and say, you
00:40:37.63\00:40:41.67
know, I feel like God's
asking me to do something more.
00:40:41.67\00:40:46.34
You have volunteers as well,
but you can go to the Outpost
00:40:47.31\00:40:52.95
Centers.
00:40:52.95\00:40:53.88
I'm looking for
00:40:54.08\00:40:55.22
your...outpostcenters.org.
00:40:58.45\00:40:59.95
And if you're looking for
just maybe instead of starting a
00:41:00.82\00:41:05.06
ministry, joining a ministry,
a job position all around the
00:41:05.06\00:41:10.10
world, you can see all of these.
00:41:10.10\00:41:12.77
And that's a great service
that you can post these for your
00:41:12.80\00:41:17.34
ministry.
00:41:17.34\00:41:17.74
What a support.
00:41:18.01\00:41:18.94
But do people also just
go and volunteer sometimes?
00:41:19.74\00:41:24.58
So there's volunteer
opportunities as well.
00:41:25.78\00:41:28.45
And that's really an
ideal situation for a ministry.
00:41:28.95\00:41:33.12
Maybe a person has decided to
take a couple of years off from
00:41:33.72\00:41:37.39
their normal or regular
employment and they want to go
00:41:37.39\00:41:40.16
do something globally, but they
want to do something useful.
00:41:40.16\00:41:43.30
They have a skill.
00:41:43.73\00:41:44.63
Let's say they're a nurse.
00:41:44.73\00:41:45.67
Well, there's plenty
of opportunity for you.
00:41:45.80\00:41:47.74
Let's say they're an ministries
are always needing people to
00:41:48.04\00:41:51.57
help keep the book straight.
00:41:51.57\00:41:52.97
So there's many, many
opportunities globally to go
00:41:53.07\00:41:56.34
and serve.
00:41:56.34\00:41:57.11
Or maybe you've retired and you
say, I don't want to just sit
00:41:57.58\00:42:00.18
at home.
00:42:00.18\00:42:00.62
I want to do something.
00:42:00.85\00:42:02.08
I want to be
actively involved for God.
00:42:02.28\00:42:04.55
Well, there's
opportunities for you.
00:42:04.85\00:42:06.62
And there's some new
features on our website.
00:42:07.12\00:42:09.12
So if you go to the website,
you'll find a link there on job
00:42:09.29\00:42:12.66
opportunities and you'll see
dozens of mission opportunities
00:42:12.66\00:42:16.63
that you can scroll through
and get connected with the
00:42:16.63\00:42:19.00
ministry.
00:42:19.00\00:42:22.60
profile.
00:42:22.60\00:42:23.07
So anyone that's listening to
this program here, you could go
00:42:24.07\00:42:27.11
to our website, outpostcenters
.org, sign up as an individual,
00:42:27.11\00:42:31.08
a personal account, and you
can make yourself available if
00:42:31.18\00:42:34.38
you're interested in short-term
missions or long-term missions.
00:42:34.38\00:42:37.19
Oh, how exciting.
00:42:37.32\00:42:38.42
You can put down your
languages, what country you're
00:42:38.45\00:42:40.12
from, what kind of
work you like to do.
00:42:40.12\00:42:42.02
And our ministries will go
on and they'll search out, if
00:42:42.29\00:42:45.76
they're looking for a teacher,
they can search for teachers
00:42:45.76\00:42:48.00
and all the
teachers will line up.
00:42:48.00\00:42:49.30
If you're looking for someone
that speaks Spanish, someone
00:42:49.60\00:42:51.57
that speaks
Portuguese, you can find those.
00:42:51.57\00:42:53.50
So our website is a hub
for connecting people to get
00:42:54.34\00:42:59.11
engaged in missions.
00:42:59.11\00:43:00.38
And let's put
that up one more time.
00:43:00.64\00:43:02.68
Outpostcenters.org.
00:43:04.45\00:43:06.18
And just let me hear again.
00:43:07.08\00:43:09.12
I was reading this and
you just beat me to it.
00:43:09.72\00:43:12.52
These are opportunities
that I looked up today.
00:43:12.69\00:43:15.62
So please listen, people,
because there's people out
00:43:16.26\00:43:18.83
there that want to do something.
00:43:18.83\00:43:20.70
Music, caretakers, cooks,
health food, massage, chefs,
00:43:21.33\00:43:25.60
lifestyle physicians,
therapists, translators,
00:43:26.10\00:43:29.60
editors, gardeners, farmers,
horticulture, construction,
00:43:29.87\00:43:34.31
project managers, graphic
design, fundraising, RNs,
00:43:35.04\00:43:38.45
carpenters, development
directors, biblical ministries,
00:43:38.68\00:43:41.15
accountants, and much,
much more that I'll shut up.
00:43:41.38\00:43:44.09
I'm just saying that there
is something for everybody.
00:43:45.22\00:43:52.96
These are positions
that's open with those 400.
00:43:53.83\00:43:57.07
I mean, this is amazing.
00:43:57.33\00:43:59.27
Practical things need
to be done at this project.
00:43:59.57\00:44:01.74
There's someone who
needs it for accounting.
00:44:01.97\00:44:03.34
There's someone for sales,
for patient care work, for
00:44:03.61\00:44:06.88
education, for farming,
construction, Bible teaching,
00:44:06.88\00:44:11.65
speaking.
00:44:11.91\00:44:14.18
So this is how
everyone can get involved.
00:44:14.75\00:44:17.35
Well, and I love the fact that
you're working, if there is a
00:44:18.15\00:44:21.96
Semite Adventist Church in
the local field, you're working
00:44:21.96\00:44:25.26
with them in cooperation.
00:44:25.26\00:44:27.30
And I love the fact that this
is something that people can,
00:44:27.30\00:44:32.43
maybe you're thinking about
starting a ministry and you
00:44:33.70\00:44:37.34
just want to know
what it would be like.
00:44:37.34\00:44:38.87
You can go volunteer
at an outpost center.
00:44:39.37\00:44:46.18
No, I'm thinking of
centers of influence.
00:44:48.28\00:44:50.79
I know a lot of people that,
I won't mention a name, but you
00:44:51.12\00:44:56.79
would know it.
00:44:56.79\00:44:57.86
And she has the center
of influence and she teaches
00:44:57.93\00:45:01.30
English in an
Arabic speaking country.
00:45:01.30\00:45:06.13
And it's, I think it is
not, I think it is prohibited.
00:45:08.17\00:45:13.98
Well, I know it is prohibited
from sharing the gospel, but
00:45:14.18\00:45:17.45
guess what?
00:45:17.45\00:45:18.11
She doesn't even have to try.
00:45:18.78\00:45:20.05
They just know
something's different about her.
00:45:20.12\00:45:22.38
And as she's teaching English,
they're asking questions and
00:45:22.38\00:45:27.42
God is moving.
00:45:27.42\00:45:28.46
So you're working
whether you're being a farmer or
00:45:28.86\00:45:32.09
masseuse,
you're working for God.
00:45:32.09\00:45:34.73
Just like those little
precious Filipino sisters said.
00:45:34.76\00:45:38.43
Now, I want to share a couple
of things with you because
00:45:38.47\00:45:41.17
sometimes we as
people use excuses.
00:45:41.17\00:45:45.17
Well, I'm too young.
00:45:46.01\00:45:47.51
I'm too old.
00:45:48.11\00:45:49.24
I don't have the money or
for various reasons, we think we
00:45:49.98\00:45:54.88
cannot be used by God.
00:45:54.88\00:45:56.58
I want to share a story with,
I just came recently from the
00:45:57.52\00:46:01.72
country of Nigeria.
00:46:01.72\00:46:02.79
When we arrived in that
country, we went on a journey
00:46:03.56\00:46:07.60
to the North, to the little,
not little, to the city, major
00:46:07.60\00:46:11.57
city in the North called Joss.
00:46:11.57\00:46:13.64
They said, there is a
center of influence here.
00:46:15.00\00:46:18.41
And I said, well, I want to
see that center of influence.
00:46:18.67\00:46:21.08
And they took us to this
little which was a vegetarian
00:46:21.71\00:46:26.11
restaurant.
00:46:26.11\00:46:26.98
And they had a few
items on the shelf for sale.
00:46:27.32\00:46:30.35
And I talked there with Sarah.
00:46:31.02\00:46:32.72
I said, Sarah, how did
you get started with this?
00:46:33.76\00:46:37.13
She said, well, I
didn't know what to do.
00:46:37.76\00:46:41.26
I didn't have anything.
00:46:41.73\00:46:43.26
I had no idea.
00:46:44.03\00:46:45.60
But God was convicting me,
encouraged me that I should do
00:46:45.87\00:46:49.84
something.
00:46:49.84\00:46:50.31
And she said, I figured
out that I could make bread.
00:46:51.34\00:46:54.78
And so she started making bread
and just making it available to
00:46:56.01\00:47:00.62
people.
00:47:00.62\00:47:07.96
working in the community,
supplying food to those who
00:47:07.96\00:47:12.09
need it very desperately and
homeless people on the street,
00:47:12.09\00:47:17.57
ministering to them, selling
some of her products there in
00:47:17.57\00:47:21.80
her little store.
00:47:21.80\00:47:22.74
And she had such a joy on her
face, such a smile, just to be
00:47:23.47\00:47:29.68
able to serve, just to
have something to do for God.
00:47:29.68\00:47:32.98
So God doesn't need what
we think he needs sometimes.
00:47:33.42\00:47:38.05
What he needs is our
availability, our willingness
00:47:38.42\00:47:41.49
to do something for him.
00:47:41.49\00:47:42.96
And, you know, what I
always think of that I love the
00:47:42.96\00:47:47.00
scripture that he uses the
foolish things of this world to
00:47:47.00\00:47:50.27
found the wise.
00:47:50.27\00:47:51.07
He uses the weak
things of this world.
00:47:51.47\00:47:54.67
Sometimes I ask myself, who am
I that God would have tapped me
00:47:56.10\00:48:00.48
on the shoulder
to bring me here?
00:48:00.48\00:48:02.04
It's so amazing.
00:48:02.58\00:48:04.55
And what Sarah is experiencing,
when you're working for God,
00:48:05.95\00:48:10.25
there is nothing better than
waking up in the morning with
00:48:10.35\00:48:15.36
the purpose of bringing
glory to God, of the purpose of
00:48:15.36\00:48:20.40
introducing others to his
love and his plan of salvation.
00:48:20.40\00:48:26.63
That's right.
00:48:26.80\00:48:27.57
It's wonderful.
00:48:27.70\00:48:28.44
So we want to put
this up one more time.
00:48:28.94\00:48:31.61
We still have a few minutes.
00:48:32.44\00:48:33.74
I just want to get it up here
because I just know somebody at
00:48:33.78\00:48:36.98
home is saying, you know, God's
just been tugging at my heart
00:48:36.98\00:48:40.88
and wanting me to do something.
00:48:40.88\00:48:42.95
I just had no idea what to do.
00:48:43.02\00:48:45.22
I want to do more.
00:48:45.39\00:48:46.89
I'm just tired of
existence like I have.
00:48:47.22\00:48:50.86
You can go to outpostcenters
.org and look at all of the
00:48:51.29\00:49:00.37
opportunities, many of which
you've listed off here, honey.
00:49:00.37\00:49:03.94
Thank you for that.
00:49:03.97\00:49:05.14
But it's something that's to
me, that's a really an exciting
00:49:05.14\00:49:08.61
opportunity.
00:49:08.61\00:49:09.48
Yes.
00:49:10.95\00:49:16.08
single one of us.
00:49:16.08\00:49:16.79
He knows this individual.
00:49:17.02\00:49:18.12
He knows what our gifts are.
00:49:18.22\00:49:19.65
And he has a place for us.
00:49:19.82\00:49:21.99
Sometimes we think,
well, God couldn't use me.
00:49:22.59\00:49:24.96
No, he can use us.
00:49:24.99\00:49:26.26
And he has a place, a
specific place for us.
00:49:26.43\00:49:29.30
Amen.
00:49:29.36\00:49:30.07
And you might be looking for
different countries, you know,
00:49:30.60\00:49:33.67
from our website, you can
search to find, to, you can
00:49:33.67\00:49:37.77
peruse all of
these 400 ministries.
00:49:37.77\00:49:39.61
You can search by country.
00:49:39.74\00:49:40.84
So you might be saying some,
some viewers here might be from
00:49:41.08\00:49:44.65
a certain country.
00:49:44.65\00:49:45.75
Like, I wonder if there's
a ministry in my country.
00:49:45.78\00:49:47.48
So you could go there and
search by your country and
00:49:47.72\00:49:50.32
filter that or search by type.
00:49:50.32\00:49:52.02
You could search for orphanages
or wellness centers or schools.
00:49:52.22\00:49:57.06
And you can put different
filters on it and find exactly
00:49:57.56\00:50:00.53
what's happening, where, and
then connect right with those
00:50:00.53\00:50:03.20
ministries.
00:50:03.20\00:50:03.80
Amen.
00:50:03.83\00:50:07.70
second hour, because we've
got a really, he's got some
00:50:07.70\00:50:11.21
exciting testimonies and
we're going to kind of shine a
00:50:11.21\00:50:15.11
spotlight on a few of the
ministries, but you work more
00:50:15.11\00:50:20.72
out of the office.
00:50:20.72\00:50:21.55
Where is the office?
00:50:21.82\00:50:22.78
The office is
outside of Tennessee.
00:50:23.08\00:50:25.19
Okay.
00:50:25.62\00:50:28.69
It's near Collegedale.
00:50:29.79\00:50:31.63
Southern Adventist
University is right near there.
00:50:31.83\00:50:34.20
So yeah, we have a
little office there.
00:50:34.76\00:50:37.83
And Steve, you're about four
hours away from there, right?
00:50:37.97\00:50:40.54
Right.
00:50:40.57\00:50:45.21
wonderful produce for us.
00:50:45.21\00:50:47.11
Amen.
00:50:47.51\00:50:51.35
way, way back.
00:50:51.35\00:50:52.25
Yeah.
00:50:52.25\00:50:52.95
1904 is actually some of
the roots of OCI, because
00:50:53.35\00:50:58.45
supporting ministries have
always had a little challenge.
00:50:58.45\00:51:01.99
And when Southern began...
00:51:03.79\00:51:05.69
Explain what you mean by a
supporting ministry, if someone
00:51:05.69\00:51:08.33
does, isn't
familiar with that term.
00:51:08.33\00:51:10.27
So there are different ways you
can talk about ministry that's
00:51:11.37\00:51:14.14
done by lay people.
00:51:14.14\00:51:15.34
And one of those ways you could
say it's a supporting ministry.
00:51:15.87\00:51:19.77
That means the ministry
supports the work of the
00:51:20.21\00:51:23.58
Seventh -day Adventist Church.
00:51:23.58\00:51:24.75
There's another term that could
be used called independent.
00:51:25.58\00:51:28.12
We don't really like that term
so much because we want to work
00:51:28.65\00:51:32.12
with the church.
00:51:32.12\00:51:32.85
Now I know that 3ABN
is a supporting ministry.
00:51:33.49\00:51:37.23
Yes.
00:51:37.63\00:51:42.60
ministries of the church.
00:51:42.60\00:51:44.03
Okay.
00:51:44.03\00:51:44.50
Well, in the early years of
1900, there was a situation in
00:51:45.57\00:51:52.24
the Southern part
of the United States.
00:51:52.24\00:51:53.78
As most of our viewers
will know, there was...
00:51:54.01\00:51:58.71
It was only 40
years past the Civil War.
00:51:58.71\00:52:00.88
The Southern part of the
United States, a lot of the
00:52:01.38\00:52:04.09
infrastructure
had been destroyed.
00:52:04.09\00:52:05.32
Education was hard to find
sometimes, and especially for
00:52:05.55\00:52:09.06
those of color.
00:52:09.06\00:52:09.76
And so Ellen White, one of the
writers that really did a lot
00:52:10.69\00:52:16.33
of work on behalf of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:52:16.33\00:52:19.17
she was helping
to found the church.
00:52:19.53\00:52:21.30
She was making appeals,
come to the South and help us.
00:52:21.57\00:52:24.74
And so these two men,
Sutherland and McGann, started
00:52:25.01\00:52:28.54
Madison College there.
00:52:28.54\00:52:30.01
Madison became a training
center to send missionaries
00:52:30.78\00:52:34.48
across the South, but not just
across the South, across the
00:52:34.48\00:52:38.29
whole world.
00:52:38.29\00:52:39.02
In a few years, by
1942, they had sent out 47 new
00:52:40.79\00:52:50.07
institutions
started from Madison.
00:52:50.07\00:52:51.93
So the work was
really multiplying.
00:52:52.73\00:52:54.94
And when that happened, all
of these supporting ministries
00:52:56.54\00:53:00.94
needed a place to come
back and tell their story and to
00:53:00.94\00:53:04.65
encourage each other.
00:53:04.65\00:53:05.78
And so Madison played that role.
00:53:06.08\00:53:07.72
And so it's a very integral
part of the history of OCI, as
00:53:08.15\00:53:12.85
well as ASI, which is the
Adventist Supporting Ministries
00:53:12.85\00:53:17.63
kind of group, Adventist
Layman Services and Industries.
00:53:17.63\00:53:22.10
And so...
00:53:23.03\00:53:26.40
six years of ASI.
00:53:26.40\00:53:28.47
Right.
00:53:28.70\00:53:31.64
So I know both of...
00:53:31.74\00:53:33.34
And you were on the board of...
00:53:33.34\00:53:35.34
You were as well.
00:53:35.34\00:53:36.24
You served on the
board for many years.
00:53:36.28\00:53:38.65
OCI Outpost Centers
International actually was
00:53:40.08\00:53:46.09
organized in 1983.
00:53:46.09\00:53:48.92
You became
president of OCI in what year?
00:53:49.72\00:53:54.36
2021.
00:53:54.83\00:53:55.50
In 2021.
00:53:55.50\00:53:56.80
So you truly do.
00:53:57.70\00:54:00.84
Mission is in your blood.
00:54:00.94\00:54:02.30
I mean, that's just obvious.
00:54:02.74\00:54:04.37
You can look
back at your history.
00:54:04.67\00:54:07.21
And it's so exciting to see how
God has led you, James, because
00:54:07.58\00:54:13.92
he just picked you up, dusted
you off, turned you around.
00:54:13.92\00:54:18.79
I love those kind of stories
because we see the power of
00:54:19.95\00:54:25.76
God.
00:54:25.76\00:54:26.16
Once again, we're going to
be taking a break here in a
00:54:27.30\00:54:29.83
moment, but I just
want to encourage you.
00:54:29.83\00:54:33.40
What I love about OCI is all of
these ministries are seeking...
00:54:33.80\00:54:40.54
They're using Christ's
approach, His method to reach
00:54:40.54\00:54:46.48
people, to show love,
to show the heart of God.
00:54:46.48\00:54:50.75
And when someone understands
that, then they receive the
00:54:51.12\00:54:57.76
everlasting gospel that's to
be preached to every tongue and
00:54:57.76\00:55:02.03
tribe around the world.
00:55:02.03\00:55:03.20
And you know what?
00:55:03.50\00:55:04.43
It's like, okay, I
see God's love and action.
00:55:04.87\00:55:09.44
I'm ready to give my heart
to such a wonderful God who can
00:55:10.07\00:55:14.88
change lives like James.
00:55:14.88\00:55:16.88
And then when they find out
that He is a God who has given
00:55:17.45\00:55:24.59
us boundaries of love in
which we should live to have an
00:55:24.59\00:55:29.26
abundant life here, an
eternal life after, guess what?
00:55:29.26\00:55:32.93
They're always excited to
find out about where some people
00:55:33.29\00:55:38.50
start with the
rules and regulations.
00:55:38.50\00:55:40.60
You don't want somebody
just to step into religion.
00:55:41.27\00:55:44.34
You want them to step into the
covenant relationship with the
00:55:44.44\00:55:47.88
Lord.
00:55:47.88\00:55:48.41
And so once again, if God...
00:55:48.54\00:55:51.68
We're going to be coming back
here in just a second with a
00:55:51.68\00:55:54.75
wonderful, some exciting
stories for the second hour.
00:55:54.75\00:55:57.89
But if God is impressing upon
your heart that I want to do
00:55:58.19\00:56:03.22
something, now's the time.
00:56:03.22\00:56:05.09
Write this down.
00:56:05.19\00:56:06.36
Outpost Centers with an S.
00:56:07.23\00:56:10.07
We'll put that
up on the graphic.
00:56:10.53\00:56:12.73
Outpost Centers dot O-R-G.
00:56:13.17\00:56:16.54
You can go check that out, find
out where you might volunteer
00:56:16.87\00:56:20.64
or even go to work anywhere
around the country and the
00:56:20.64\00:56:26.31
world, I should
say, around the world.
00:56:26.31\00:56:28.82
And it's something that...
00:56:29.58\00:56:31.59
What an exciting opportunity.
00:56:31.59\00:56:33.25
And maybe you're just
graduating from college and you
00:56:33.62\00:56:37.89
haven't got a job offer now and
you just think, you know, Lord,
00:56:37.89\00:56:41.86
I'd like to just take a year
off and go work in your harvest
00:56:42.43\00:56:47.00
fields.
00:56:47.00\00:56:47.27
You will never regret it.
00:56:47.64\00:56:49.34
You will never regret it.
00:56:49.47\00:56:50.94
We always tell people that
if you have a child who is going
00:56:50.94\00:56:56.91
down the wrong path, get
them involved in a mission field
00:56:56.91\00:57:00.78
somewhere and you'll
never regret that either.
00:57:00.78\00:57:03.89
You have a quick thought.
00:57:04.32\00:57:05.25
Oh, well, I just thought, boy,
what a wonderful opportunity
00:57:05.55\00:57:08.56
you had when you first started.
00:57:08.56\00:57:10.59
I'm just going to take a
short vacation and that short
00:57:10.93\00:57:13.60
vacation took
you to Switzerland.
00:57:13.60\00:57:14.96
I mean, what?
00:57:15.20\00:57:16.26
That was a big detour.
00:57:17.00\00:57:17.93
That was a big detour.
00:57:18.17\00:57:19.30
And God had big, big plans.
00:57:19.47\00:57:21.34
Well, we are going to
be right back with Outpost
00:57:21.74\00:57:25.81
International.
00:57:25.81\00:57:29.48
us for the second hour because
you got to hear this story
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about Nigeria and many
other stories that they have to
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share.
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God. Amen.
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