Hello
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and welcome to the
second hour of 3ABN Live.
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I'm Shelley Quinn.
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And I'm JD Quinn.
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Peters.
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And Cherie, if you've been
watching 3ABN over the last 20
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years, you saw her on Teen
Pathways celebrating life and
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recovery, and now we are going
to do a new series with her
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that's going to be recorded
soon, and it is going to be an
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amazing series.
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Celebrating life, colon,
healing after, beyond trauma,
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healing beyond trauma.
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Cherie, tell us very quickly.
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I mean, the
first hour just flew.
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Your story is so
poignant, it's so emotional.
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But we're talking tonight about
drowning in dopamine, how the
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whole world,
there's so many things.
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Dopamine is a neurotransmitter
that affects the pain and
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pleasure or reward
sides of our brain.
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God intended us, we saw like
the seesaw, if you're taking
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drugs, oh man, you get a
dopamine surge, but then the
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body wants to bring
you back into balance.
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And so this seesaw, instead
of when you come off of those
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drugs or shopping or you're
gaming, whatever it is, then
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all of a sudden you have a
dopamine crash and you're in
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pain, you're withdrawals.
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God wants you to stay in
balance, and we're going to
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talk about that.
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Even what some countries have
figured out with research, like
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France especially, that if you
give devices to kids too young,
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that their brain will not
develop normally, and to have a
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normal response to joy or
pleasure, they will be on drugs
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the rest of their life.
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So that it doesn't correct
itself if you start these
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devices too early because of
that pleasure center and that
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pleasure pathway.
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So it's like they've passed
laws, you cannot program gaming
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or devices to children 6 years
old and under because of that
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research.
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and most of us have the
ability to find pleasure again.
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Like there's a book that I
love, it's called Thrill to
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Death and Archibald Hart.
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It was an amazing book.
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And what he says is that
you get dopamine rushes too much
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and you chase them and you
get them higher and higher and
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higher.
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more, is that your pleasure
center gets so exhausted that
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it flatlines.
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melatonin, all the stuff that
comes off of that stops coming
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off of that and you don't feel
anything and you don't get to
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the frontal lobe.
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So you're not using self
-control, common sense, you're
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not going to your
spiritual part of your brain.
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And so the brain is really
tied up in what we do with our
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pleasure seeking and we
end up with what's called an
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anhedonistic disorder.
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So hedonism is a
seeker after pleasure.
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I'm doing everything to
find that pleasure, to chase the
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dopamine, to chase that.
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And all of a sudden I'm bored.
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If I don't have a game, if I
don't have something to go to,
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I am bored to the point where
I might as well kill myself.
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Not because I'm depressed,
but because I'm bored.
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This life is just not worth it.
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And we don't realize that
there's something we can do,
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but we cannot ignore the
fact that you can't keep pushing
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that pleasure center up.
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You can't keep pushing that
dopamine up because your body
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will come into a
balance and crash.
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And we're all at risk because
it's all around us and we don't
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realize.
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some trauma and still going
through some physical trauma.
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And there's one thing that
I found that at the end of the
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day, I'll sit down and I
play this little word game.
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And it just thrills me because
sometimes I feel like with
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what's going on that am I
even functioning normally?
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And I'm very
good at it, very fast.
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You almost feel normal.
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And you know what?
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you go through it so fast.
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And it's like, mm-hmm.
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And then sometimes I have to
cheat and can't find the last
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word.
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And I'm going, no, I'm not good.
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You know, that was bad.
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important to me.
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And so we're all
at risk for this.
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Don't think that you're not.
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Remember, in this day and age,
and we can't forget this, that
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dopamine is the new currency.
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So literally people are getting
paid marketers, people that are
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inventing ways to have food
taste or ways to have games.
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Hook us in or the lights
and all of that kind of dopamine
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inducing things
are the new currency.
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Once people realize they can
make money by keeping somebody
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geared towards whatever
it is that they're seeking by
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increasing their dopamine
and not increasing the dopamine
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straight up.
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flashing of light will
do something and your body
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increases the dopamine.
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So it's like that
that it is a new currency.
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It is what they're using,
but people are using in order to
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make money.
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We want to take just a moment
because this is a live program.
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You want to tell
them how they can.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Once again, live
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And while we're taking a pause,
let's talk about your before we
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get any deeper and
get into the questions.
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Tell us about some of the
resources that we have here at
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three ABN.
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Once is somebody asked me to
write the story up in a book.
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And so that's
Miracle from the Street.
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And so we wrote that up.
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And it was a blessing to do.
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Even though when I did the
motorcycle scene where I got
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kidnapped by the motorcycle
gang, I went into a trauma
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response for four months.
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I couldn't feel my skin,
literally out Marvin Moore.
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I don't know if
you remember him.
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He was the editor
of Signs of the Times.
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He and a group got around me
and just said, you're going to
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get through this.
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But so the Miracle from
the Street book, if you.
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So that was post
traumatic stress syndrome.
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I got retraumatized
by just writing of it.
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But what's really interesting
to me is if you have someone
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that's struggling in any
way, it is just watching.
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I think when you watch God work
with anybody and God being so
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faithful with that journey,
this is really, I think, God's
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story.
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Then I saw Steps to
Christ was amazing to me.
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And I loved it.
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But I couldn't give it to a lot
of my friends that were not in
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the church and they really
didn't have a background to
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understand the language
that it was originally in.
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So I got a number of addicts
and we rewrote the entire
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thing.
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And we rewrote it by trying
to keep it true to every line.
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Because Ellen White, I believe,
wrote Steps to Christ for a
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temperance group.
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And so we wrote it in that way.
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So the first chapter, instead
of being God is love, we put
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God is crazy about you
and can restore you to sanity.
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So we rewrote it.
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It has been accepted
well into the people around.
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And I put a girl covered
with tattoos on the cover.
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And the text is from Zephaniah.
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And the text says that
this person in heaven looks at
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Jesus' hand, which is the only
one with a mark on it, in all
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of heaven.
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And she said, What
happened to your hand?
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And he says, I was wounded
in the house of my friends.
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But he talks about the whole
gospel story to somebody in
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heaven.
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you or God doesn't
see you, that is not true.
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So all of these are
available at the call center.
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God is crazy about you.
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Can I say something?
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Yes.
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Before you go to God is
crazy about you, when you were
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talking about the vocabulary.
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I remember when you were
first doing Celebrating Life in
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Recovery.
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And this little lady called
me from one of the coasts.
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I won't say where, but anyway.
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And she said, Honey, the
material on Celebrating Life in
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Recovery, she said, I can see
where it's needed, but couldn't
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you host it?
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And I said, What?
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You could tell me.
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Yeah, but you know, because you
had said, like you were telling
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God, shut up.
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So she said, she
said, shut up to God.
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And I said, you
know, you're right.
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I could host it.
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And I said, and it
would minister to you.
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She was calling
for her prayer group.
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I said, it would minister to
your prayer group, but it would
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never reach the people on the
streets we're trying to reach.
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Because the vocabulary that we
use in the Christian church, in
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the vocabulary, you have always
talked about when you started
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coming to church, it shocked
you that people talked about
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the weather, you know.
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All the time.
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vernacular that they understand.
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And that I understand.
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So, you know, it literally is.
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Even a lot of times I'll go
out and present and I'll dress
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pretty casual and somebody
will say, you should dress up.
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And I say, go to the mall
and just see how many people are
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dressed up.
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just got to remember that.
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And I think that as I grow
up and as I mature in Christ, I
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look cuter.
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I dress better.
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But you know, but it was
important to me for that.
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So that God is crazy
about you is another one.
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And this one I just got to say
a little bit too is that I did
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not think that God would
use somebody like me ever.
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And all of a sudden I
get an invitation to Alaska.
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And I remember feeling
like I thought it was a friend
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pranking me.
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speak.
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And it was.
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And so they said, you know,
how much do you charge to speak?
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And I thought,
are you kidding me?
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They're going to pay
me to talk about God?
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Like I was so over
the moon with that.
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And I said,
like a hundred bucks?
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And they said, well, how
much do you speak for a hundred
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bucks?
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And I said, I'm ADD.
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I never shut up.
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So at that point, they, of
course, sent me a hundred bucks
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right away and a contract.
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And I go over there and I
speak 16 times in four days.
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It was overwhelming.
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It was too much.
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But at the very last of
that time, I end up in a little
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place called the
Leknegik, Alaska.
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And I meet a
little girl that was 12.
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She looked nine
because she was so little.
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And I meet a little girl that
was in an abusive situation.
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Her parents were in rehab.
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Grandparents had Alzheimer's.
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And she just came
up to me and hugged me.
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And she said, my
life is like yours.
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And I couldn't believe when she
said that because I thought, no
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way.
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And she just held me
for the longest time.
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And I couldn't figure out
what to say to her about that.
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She was being sexually abused
and all kinds of stuff was
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happening.
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And I said to her, you know,
do you know everybody on this
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island?
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And she said, yes.
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And I said, would
you be my assistant?
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And she said, I would.
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And so we got to spend the
whole time just ministering to
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each other.
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You can't adopt somebody.
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You can't take them
out of the situation.
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And so I just wanted her to
know that sometimes we're in a
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situation where the abuse is
horrendous, but you're going to
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survive.
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And sometimes that's the
best we can say to somebody.
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You're going to survive.
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And there is a God.
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And I am sorry for
what you're going through.
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I even remember yelling at God
one time, like how did my dad
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molested me from the time
I was like a baby on, right?
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And until I was four
when he was kicked out.
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So I was
molested really early on.
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And I said, God, how
did you let that happen?
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And He quietly said to me, I
tried to convince your dad to
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do anything else every day.
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I stood in front
of him every day.
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The only way I could have
stopped him is if I would have
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killed him.
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here.
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recovery.
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I tried to get him to
deal with his drinking.
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And so all of a sudden I
realized that God was the only
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innocent party there.
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And I can't stay angry
at God for what my dad did.
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I have to put the
blame on my father.
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Amen.
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I think that God has, with
the heavenly counsels, allowed
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Satan a short time.
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And God will not cross over
the boundaries of free will.
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Like He said, He would
have to kill your daddy.
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You know, I don't know.
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If you've been sexually
abused, to me this is a big one.
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It's a big one.
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It's a big one.
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But let me, you know, the Bible
says that Christ was a man of
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sorrows.
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He suffered every temptation.
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And you know, I used to think
about that when He talks about
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He's afflicted
with our afflicted.
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He understands.
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He's a high priest who
understands and sympathizes
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with us.
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And I thought, well, what
about the sexual addiction?
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You know, when somebody
violates your innocence because
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they thrust their sin upon you,
Christ understands He hung on a
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cross naked.
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He was sinless.
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His innocence was violated
when the sins of the world were
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thrust upon Him.
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So He does understand.
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And He's going to make it.
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It's all going to be different.
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Well, even when I remember like
processing through some of that
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trauma as a woman, and when all
of a sudden God allowed me, He
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said, I'll restore what
the locust has destroyed.
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Like I'll bring back to you
what has been ripped from you.
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And one day I
remember just standing there.
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I was standing I think in
Moscow on Red Square going to
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Nizhny Novgorod.
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And so I'm standing in Red
Square, this homeless kid out
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of L.A.
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and watching the sunset
behind Onion Dome churches.
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And God reminded me of all
of the different things and not
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everything.
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here and I love you.
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And so even for that what He
says, I'll restore all of that.
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So there is a thing that saying
to God, I believe in those
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promises and I
believe that you will do that.
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But the only way He can't
do that is if we hold on to our
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grief, if we hold on to our
anger, our unforgiveness, our
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resentments, because He
just can't get through it.
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It's almost like it's too dark.
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Then I've got a question
for you that's anonymous.
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It's sent in.
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Can talking about your
expenses, experiences, thank
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you, while healing
help or hinder you?
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You know what's really
interesting about that?
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Because research says,
especially if you're a trauma
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victim, especially CPTSC
or childhood trauma, that talk
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therapy actually is hurtful.
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Not all therapies are hurtful,
but some people that have been
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through a lot of trauma, to
relive those, we relive those
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on such a significant
level that it's hurtful.
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I don't know if that's true for
you, but it's true for a lot of
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people.
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today, figure out when I
emotionally dysregulate, what
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can I do to get myself back?
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Explain that to people when you
say that's just the come-apart.
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When I emotionally dysregulate,
all of a sudden I get
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triggered, and everything feels
like it's thrown into a fan and
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it's all over the room.
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I don't know where my feet
are, I'm not making sense, my
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writing changes, I feel numb.
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When that happens, and I feel
crazy, I feel irritable, I'm
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irrational at times, I'm maybe
even feeling like somebody is
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actually trying to hurt me
when they may not be, but all of
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that happens and it's very real.
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When I emotionally dysregulate,
there's things that I can do
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that's different
than talk therapy.
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The things I can do is ask
myself what my feet are doing
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right now.
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Can I feel my feet on the chair?
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Can I see the
lights on the camera?
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Can I hear
somebody moving over here?
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Can I hear the fan going
and the air conditioning?
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I start to get myself present
in the room, and that literally
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pulls the emotional
dysregulation back, and I can
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actually get
back in my own skin.
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There's things that I can learn
to do that I can get a hold of
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that dysregulation quicker, and
there's all kinds of different
00:18:04.45\00:18:07.78
hacks that you can do, and talk
therapy may not be one of them.
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Some people go to talk therapy
with a lot of trauma, and they
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come out feeling worse, like
they can come out and even kill
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themselves.
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there's not something you can
do because there's things that
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you can do.
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Support groups,
sometimes going...
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We wrote a 14-week program from
our last program just teaching
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people how to connect because
sometimes connection and coming
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out of hiding is actually
more healing than anything else.
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I can come out to connect with
a group and hear what they've
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been through, and even though
it's different than what I've
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been through, my heart
says, man, I understand that.
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It resonates.
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So it resonates with me, and so
sometimes getting into a group,
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the first group I got into,
Shelley, was a knitting group
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because I just didn't feel like
I could go to a support group,
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but God was telling me, you've
got to get around people, and I
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didn't read well enough to do
a Bible study, so I just went to
00:19:11.35\00:19:15.35
a knitting group, and I
remember listening to these
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women laugh and hang out
with each other, and that was
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healing to me.
00:19:20.92\00:19:21.79
So it's just connection.
00:19:21.96\00:19:23.19
We've disconnected in
our trauma, and we've got the
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privilege of reconnecting
in our recovery, and I promise
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you, this next program that
we're doing every week, we're
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going to cover an aspect
of trauma and definitely that
00:19:34.87\00:19:37.91
reconnecting or being able
to see each other and have value
00:19:37.91\00:19:42.01
in just the seeing of each
other, not so much that I'm
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going to have an answer
for you because some of the...
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I've been molested
since I was three months old.
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Who has an answer to that?
00:19:50.22\00:19:51.52
There's no answer to that,
and even though some people may
00:19:51.52\00:19:54.76
want to give me an answer, the
only thing I can say is, God,
00:19:54.76\00:19:58.29
please cover this.
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Now, you held up this
resource, but for people who are
00:20:01.26\00:20:05.00
listening on the radio,
talk about the recorded group
00:20:05.00\00:20:11.21
resource kit.
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So the group...
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In fact, they
just did it out of...
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They did the 14-week program
from Trinidad, Tobago, and
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Florida, and I think had,
at one point, had 90 baptisms
00:20:20.28\00:20:24.02
because all it does is
literally every week, you go in
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and you watch a small clip
of the program that we did on
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somebody that we interviewed
that had a trauma story that
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really walked through that,
and then we break into a small
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group.
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If there's 30 people in
your group, we break into small
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groups of five to seven, and
then we talk about what we just
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saw and has that interfered,
like has anybody robbed you and
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has anybody interfered with
your ability to recover now,
00:20:51.11\00:20:54.15
and we talk about that with
each other, and in the sharing
00:20:54.18\00:20:57.35
with each other and seeing
each other and looking at each
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other, it is amazing
the healing that happens.
00:21:00.36\00:21:03.22
It's unbelievable, and so
it's not that it's not a therapy
00:21:03.39\00:21:07.40
group, it's not a group where
somebody's going to give you an
00:21:07.40\00:21:10.33
answer, even a biblical answer,
it's just a group where you're
00:21:10.33\00:21:13.80
going to do...
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It's called friendship ministry.
00:21:14.57\00:21:15.80
You're going to form
friendships with people that
00:21:15.80\00:21:19.01
are walking in a recovery
journey, and it's powerful.
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The program is being used in
different parts of the world.
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If you want a copy of it, man,
just call the call center, and
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it's an easy one to run, but
what's really interesting to me
00:21:31.39\00:21:35.22
is the reason I did this is
most people were doing recovery
00:21:35.22\00:21:38.43
groups where you were
talking about heroin or sexual
00:21:38.43\00:21:42.03
addictions or alcohol, but my
problem, even though I was in a
00:21:42.03\00:21:46.63
heroin addict, my problem was
I didn't know how to connect.
00:21:46.63\00:21:49.50
I didn't understand what
friendship was, and I so longed
00:21:49.80\00:21:52.51
for it, and so this program
is based on being able to talk
00:21:52.51\00:21:57.15
about those things, but being
able to connect and friendship
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on that journey,
and it's just powerful.
00:22:00.35\00:22:03.25
It's powerful.
00:22:03.42\00:22:04.49
And let me mention this real
quick because you did mention
00:22:04.65\00:22:06.69
the call center.
00:22:06.69\00:22:10.36
like to recovery group resource
kit, I know that we've used it
00:22:10.36\00:22:14.56
here at our
church at Thompsonville.
00:22:14.56\00:22:16.00
It was very successful, but
if you want to call the call
00:22:16.10\00:22:19.47
center, it's 618-627-4651.
00:22:19.47\00:22:25.04
Now, that'll get
you to the call center.
00:22:25.84\00:22:27.48
Not tonight, though.
00:22:28.14\00:22:29.18
They're closed in the morning.
00:22:29.48\00:22:30.61
Yes, but if you want to
text us, it's 618-228-3975, and
00:22:30.61\00:22:37.99
perhaps you'd like to
e-mail it live at 3ABN.tv.
00:22:37.99\00:22:41.56
That's the last time.
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And if you do the steps to
Christ, make sure you e-mail
00:22:44.13\00:22:48.76
3ABN and let me
know what you think.
00:22:48.76\00:22:50.53
I'm so...I just was...
00:22:50.83\00:22:52.83
Or e-mail you at
TrueStepOffice at gmail.com.
00:22:52.83\00:22:59.64
TrueStepOffice at gmail.com.
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It was the coolest thing
I've ever done, and even at one
00:23:03.51\00:23:06.78
point when I was working with
the General Conference, because
00:23:06.78\00:23:09.52
they hired me with Mission
for the Cities, that the Ellen
00:23:09.52\00:23:12.55
White Estates read this and
then asked me if they could put
00:23:12.55\00:23:15.39
it right next to the original
in the Ellen White Estates.
00:23:15.39\00:23:17.83
Tell them what.
00:23:17.83\00:23:17.86
So, to me, at first, when I
called and said, Can I do this?
00:23:19.06\00:23:23.26
And they said, Who is this?
00:23:23.30\00:23:24.37
And I said, Well, I'm a
heroin addict in recovery.
00:23:24.40\00:23:26.07
They went, I don't know.
00:23:26.17\00:23:28.90
Make sure you
put your name on it.
00:23:29.54\00:23:31.47
But after it was read, it
was very much received well.
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Let me read this.
00:23:35.94\00:23:36.54
Hi, Cherie, I
love your programs.
00:23:36.95\00:23:38.48
They're synonymous.
00:23:38.81\00:23:39.65
Another one is, Kent, what
was the title of the book on
00:23:40.25\00:23:44.45
dopamine that Cherie mentioned?
00:23:44.45\00:23:46.29
Dopamine Nation.
00:23:46.79\00:23:47.62
That's Dopamine Nation.
00:23:48.46\00:23:49.99
Yeah, Dopamine
Nation, and it is...
00:23:50.23\00:23:52.46
And tell us
about Dr. Limke, who...
00:23:52.46\00:23:54.63
So, Dr. Limke is...
00:23:54.63\00:23:56.73
She is somebody that has done
a lot of research on dopamine in
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the brain and what it does.
00:24:01.47\00:24:02.94
And I think for a lot of
people, over the years, we felt
00:24:03.24\00:24:05.97
talk therapy is
going to be the answer.
00:24:05.97\00:24:07.84
We thought that we didn't
understand what happens to the
00:24:08.51\00:24:12.65
brain when you over-stimulate
it with dopamine, when you
00:24:12.65\00:24:15.25
chase pleasure, and then
what happens to the crash that
00:24:15.25\00:24:18.65
happens when all of a
sudden pain is what you feel and
00:24:18.65\00:24:21.52
withdraw.
00:24:21.52\00:24:26.23
happens.
00:24:26.23\00:24:26.53
And her research is incredible.
00:24:28.16\00:24:31.30
The book, Dopamine Nation, is
incredible in that it will take
00:24:31.87\00:24:35.30
you through
healing in a very real way.
00:24:35.30\00:24:37.61
And there's even...
00:24:37.84\00:24:38.97
What happens in the brain
is incredible, but we have a
00:24:38.97\00:24:41.64
diagram that I
want you to look at.
00:24:41.64\00:24:43.24
It's a nerve that runs from the
base of your brain through your
00:24:43.88\00:24:48.68
ears, through your neck,
through your heart, and to your
00:24:48.68\00:24:52.12
gut.
00:24:52.12\00:24:52.65
And it's called the vagal nerve.
00:24:52.92\00:24:54.29
And that nerve, if we're
damaged, it gets all messed up.
00:24:54.52\00:25:00.13
And so your gut's messed up.
00:25:00.50\00:25:01.93
And in your gut, your gut
makes serotonin, not your brain.
00:25:02.03\00:25:05.13
A lot of people don't know that.
00:25:05.23\00:25:06.53
So the very thing that is going
to make you feel good, some of
00:25:06.77\00:25:10.47
the antidepressants, the very
thing is made in your gut and
00:25:10.47\00:25:13.78
then passes into the brain.
00:25:13.78\00:25:16.11
And so all of that vagal
nerve makes a difference.
00:25:16.51\00:25:20.02
And so when somebody says, I
want to heal from trauma, but
00:25:20.12\00:25:22.85
they don't take care of these
things, the homeostatic thing
00:25:22.85\00:25:26.72
with the dopamine and the vagal
nerve reset, is what they call
00:25:26.72\00:25:30.39
it, that you're fighting
against your own body because
00:25:30.39\00:25:33.23
your own body remembers the
trauma, holds onto the trauma,
00:25:33.23\00:25:36.80
and there's things that you can
do to actually relax a little
00:25:37.07\00:25:40.57
bit, have that vagal
nerve relax, and your gut then
00:25:40.57\00:25:44.14
relaxes, of course your
heart relaxes, and all of those
00:25:44.14\00:25:47.71
organs they're finding
communicate with each other.
00:25:47.71\00:25:50.98
You know?
00:25:52.08\00:25:56.72
well published, about
the second brain is the gut.
00:25:56.72\00:26:01.26
Yeah.
00:26:01.26\00:26:03.63
You know, you've heard people
say, well, I just got a gut
00:26:03.76\00:26:09.13
feeling about something.
00:26:09.13\00:26:10.43
Well, pay attention to your gut
feelings because it sometimes,
00:26:10.90\00:26:14.54
the vagal nerve is picking up
signals that maybe the frontal
00:26:14.70\00:26:19.11
lobe didn't pick up.
00:26:19.11\00:26:20.78
And even the Bible says in some
places, the heart feels, or the
00:26:20.78\00:26:24.68
heart says.
00:26:24.68\00:26:25.28
We think it's just a nice same.
00:26:26.15\00:26:28.18
I think when we find God, when
we actually are sitting with
00:26:28.32\00:26:31.02
Him, I think He's
like, no, they communicate.
00:26:31.02\00:26:35.06
And that's what the newest
research is, is that the heart
00:26:35.49\00:26:38.89
is the third, they're finding
out heart has memory, so the
00:26:38.89\00:26:42.10
heart is the third brain.
00:26:42.10\00:26:43.83
So when we forget those things,
like when somebody says, how do
00:26:44.17\00:26:48.94
I reset?
00:26:48.94\00:26:49.77
If I've been chasing dopamine,
I've been drowning in dopamine,
00:26:50.17\00:26:52.91
I've been so afraid to deal
with this other stuff, how do I
00:26:53.17\00:26:56.04
reset?
00:26:56.04\00:27:00.72
breaths, get outside,
take a walk without your phone.
00:27:00.72\00:27:03.85
You know, people say, without
my phone, are you kidding me?
00:27:05.19\00:27:07.66
But without your phone, get
into some art, like I am really
00:27:07.82\00:27:12.73
getting into art
and watercolor stuff.
00:27:12.73\00:27:14.56
When I go home this summer,
I'm learning to sail, like you
00:27:14.56\00:27:18.50
can't take your phone with you.
00:27:18.50\00:27:19.83
So it's like being able to
say, if I'm getting too much
00:27:20.10\00:27:23.71
dopamine here, how can I get it
naturally and how can I get it
00:27:23.71\00:27:27.94
without having that rush?
00:27:27.94\00:27:29.61
And we're going to tie this
back into the God of the Bible
00:27:30.01\00:27:33.72
here in a moment, but first,
Dr. Limke makes a suggestion in
00:27:33.72\00:27:40.16
her book that you've
got to go for abstinence.
00:27:40.16\00:27:45.49
Talk about the
abstinence process.
00:27:45.56\00:27:47.76
So let's say that I am
online all the time, like I'm
00:27:47.93\00:27:53.47
scrolling, I'm on Facebook,
I'm on Instagram, I'm on all of
00:27:53.47\00:27:59.27
those kind of things all
the time, and that's where I'm
00:27:59.27\00:28:01.38
getting all my dopamine from,
because you can get a severe
00:28:01.38\00:28:04.35
depression if you're doing that.
00:28:04.35\00:28:06.15
I don't know if anybody else
has felt that, I'm sure they
00:28:07.92\00:28:11.42
have, but it's like the crash
on those and that sense of when
00:28:11.42\00:28:14.96
you're away from that, that
sense of being disconnected, I
00:28:14.96\00:28:19.13
mean, that's very real.
00:28:19.13\00:28:19.89
So what she says is
30 days, go abstinence.
00:28:20.06\00:28:23.87
So like 30 days,
don't go online at all.
00:28:24.00\00:28:27.84
And some people say,
there's no way I can do that.
00:28:28.20\00:28:30.41
How about two weeks?
00:28:30.54\00:28:32.87
I can't do that,
how about a week?
00:28:33.01\00:28:34.44
And then she will tell people
even 24 hours, but if you go 30
00:28:34.48\00:28:38.41
days, you get your frontal
lobes back, you get those
00:28:38.41\00:28:41.92
pleasure centers operating not
fully yet, because that takes a
00:28:41.92\00:28:45.55
little bit more time, but
you get that operating, and you
00:28:45.55\00:28:49.06
start to feel joy, you start
to feel hope, you start to feel
00:28:49.06\00:28:52.76
connected again, and so what
you have to do is whatever is
00:28:52.76\00:28:56.46
hijacking you and hijacking
your pleasure centers, you step
00:28:56.46\00:29:00.14
away from that.
00:29:00.14\00:29:05.47
religion addictively, and
even religion that can be done
00:29:05.47\00:29:08.84
addictively, and you can't step
away from God, but you can ask
00:29:08.84\00:29:12.41
God to bring it into a balance.
00:29:12.41\00:29:14.08
So you really have to say, what
has hijacked me, and how do I
00:29:14.32\00:29:17.85
get a good balance?
00:29:17.85\00:29:18.79
And am I willing, and that's
the thing, am I willing to
00:29:19.02\00:29:23.59
fight for myself?
00:29:23.59\00:29:24.83
Am I willing to fight for
myself to just get in my own
00:29:25.23\00:29:28.70
skin again?
00:29:28.70\00:29:33.20
doing this, it's so worth it.
00:29:33.20\00:29:34.64
It is so worth it.
00:29:34.70\00:29:35.97
We want to get to a few more
questions, and thank you for
00:29:36.94\00:29:39.74
the questions you're sending
in, and I want to tell you that
00:29:39.74\00:29:42.11
these, your names will be
brought up in the prayer, in
00:29:42.11\00:29:46.18
our pastoral department, and
prayed over these, this coming
00:29:46.18\00:29:49.78
week, but here's AJ saying,
what is the best self-care to
00:29:49.78\00:29:56.06
take after narcissistic abuse?
00:29:56.06\00:29:58.76
My heart just goes out, AJ,
narcissistic abuse is so crazy
00:30:00.16\00:30:05.50
-making, because everything in
you starts to doubt everything
00:30:05.50\00:30:11.24
in you.
00:30:11.24\00:30:16.04
abuse, you're always fighting
to kind of prove yourself, or
00:30:16.04\00:30:19.55
to, you over-explain, you
know, there's so many different
00:30:19.55\00:30:23.18
things that happen.
00:30:23.18\00:30:23.95
So my feeling with narcissistic
abuse is definitely a support
00:30:24.42\00:30:31.09
group, therapy, for sure,
but I think a support group is
00:30:31.09\00:30:37.17
actually even better than
therapy, is that somebody that
00:30:37.17\00:30:39.87
has those relationship
addictions, or relationship
00:30:39.87\00:30:43.30
abuses, and that can, you
can hear one story after another
00:30:43.30\00:30:46.71
after another, and with
narcissism, a good narcissist,
00:30:46.71\00:30:51.35
and I've met them, a
good narcissist will have you
00:30:51.55\00:30:55.02
question everything about you.
00:30:55.02\00:30:56.38
It's gaslighting.
00:30:56.38\00:30:58.19
You'll be gaslit.
00:30:58.65\00:30:59.79
There's no empathy.
00:31:00.12\00:31:01.82
I remember just, I hate, I
won't even story-tell, because
00:31:03.26\00:31:07.66
I could tell lots of stories,
but even we're at the end of
00:31:07.66\00:31:12.07
those relationships, you are
even asking yourself, am I the
00:31:12.07\00:31:16.20
narcissist, and a good
therapist will say if you're
00:31:16.20\00:31:18.74
asking that, more than likely
you are not, but everything is
00:31:18.74\00:31:22.98
questioned.
00:31:22.98\00:31:26.58
perception, you begin to be
defensive, over-explaining is
00:31:26.58\00:31:32.49
something that you will try
to kind of defend yourself, and
00:31:32.49\00:31:36.32
you over-explain, instead of
just yes or no, you've got to
00:31:36.32\00:31:39.19
explain why, and that takes
a while to get back in your own
00:31:39.19\00:31:43.00
skin.
00:31:43.00\00:31:46.97
don't do it on your own.
00:31:46.97\00:31:47.94
There's many people, even
like me, that will totally
00:31:48.20\00:31:51.17
understand what you're saying.
00:31:51.17\00:31:52.27
Don't get your advice
from somebody that's never been
00:31:52.27\00:31:55.64
around a narcissist, because
they will maybe place the blame
00:31:55.64\00:31:59.58
back on you, and you
don't need that right now.
00:31:59.58\00:32:02.12
And here's what I want to say,
if you think that you may be in
00:32:02.25\00:32:09.32
a narcissistic relationship,
do your research, educate
00:32:09.32\00:32:14.03
yourself, if you even have a
little hint, and then, like you
00:32:14.03\00:32:17.63
said, you can go on, because
I have a friend who's been
00:32:17.63\00:32:20.97
through this, and it's the
talk, the group sessions that
00:32:20.97\00:32:25.74
she keeps hearing these women
who've been through it for so
00:32:25.74\00:32:29.94
many more years than she
has, and she recognizes her own
00:32:29.94\00:32:34.05
behavior.
00:32:34.05\00:32:37.72
powerful woman, but she
lost herself completely.
00:32:37.72\00:32:40.29
Literally, I remember
seeing her at the end of that
00:32:40.96\00:32:43.46
relationship, and I thought
she was a shell of a person, and
00:32:43.46\00:32:46.59
now she's gaining all of that
back, but it's really tough,
00:32:46.59\00:32:50.00
because you can, in those
relationships, feel like you
00:32:50.13\00:32:53.67
lose yourself completely.
00:32:53.67\00:32:54.90
But you don't.
00:32:55.94\00:32:57.07
I mean, it's a feeling that you
have, you've been gaslit, your
00:32:57.31\00:33:02.18
confidence is gone, your
ability to even do the same
00:33:02.18\00:33:04.88
work that you've done your
whole life, all of that kind of
00:33:04.88\00:33:07.02
stuff, but I promise you,
step into a group, step into
00:33:07.02\00:33:10.35
recovery, see a therapist
that deals with people with
00:33:10.35\00:33:14.02
narcissistic abuse,
and one step at a time.
00:33:14.02\00:33:17.39
There's incredible YouTube
videos, even, with people that
00:33:17.66\00:33:20.90
specialize in that with women,
so literally go online and
00:33:20.90\00:33:24.87
start educating yourself,
because it is the hardest one.
00:33:24.87\00:33:28.17
I shouldn't say that, I'm sorry.
00:33:28.60\00:33:30.37
They're all hard, but
it is a very difficult one.
00:33:30.74\00:33:34.18
Let me read, here's two
here where I want to read.
00:33:34.91\00:33:37.48
This is so needed.
00:33:38.88\00:33:40.08
Thank you for sharing
with us, or with me, says.
00:33:40.18\00:33:43.62
And then this is a
wonderful question.
00:33:43.62\00:33:47.32
What coping mechanism can
you develop to avoid flashbacks
00:33:48.12\00:33:51.93
from your trauma?
00:33:51.93\00:33:53.40
You know, what's really
interesting is the biggest
00:33:54.20\00:33:58.17
thing for me was when
I realized that even the
00:33:58.17\00:34:02.04
flashback is not life
threatening, that I'm no longer
00:34:02.04\00:34:06.54
a child, and I had to tell
myself the truth about that.
00:34:06.54\00:34:09.51
There's the abuse, and then
there's a cardiac strip that
00:34:11.68\00:34:15.02
comes off the abuse of all
the things that we believe about
00:34:15.02\00:34:17.82
ourselves and about the
world and about what happened.
00:34:17.82\00:34:20.16
And I have to start letting God
challenge every one of those,
00:34:20.52\00:34:23.63
because it's not true.
00:34:24.09\00:34:25.29
The flashbacks are horrendous.
00:34:25.79\00:34:28.00
The flashbacks are in the past.
00:34:28.06\00:34:31.10
I'm not being abused today.
00:34:31.57\00:34:33.70
I'm no longer five or three
or whatever the age of that
00:34:33.97\00:34:37.91
particular flashback is.
00:34:37.91\00:34:39.24
And so in the moment telling
yourself the truth, and I know
00:34:39.51\00:34:42.11
that that's not helpful to some
of these flashbacks, but the
00:34:42.11\00:34:47.25
truth is going to set you free.
00:34:47.25\00:34:48.65
Be with somebody again that has
the same kind of abuses where
00:34:49.55\00:34:53.69
you can kind of be able to call
each other like, this is not a
00:34:53.69\00:34:57.03
good day.
00:34:57.03\00:34:57.76
I am really struggling
with these flashbacks.
00:34:58.06\00:35:00.20
This is, I feel in my skin.
00:35:00.40\00:35:03.00
Remember I said when I was
writing the book, I felt numb.
00:35:03.13\00:35:06.43
I couldn't feel my skin.
00:35:06.50\00:35:07.84
And it took four months
to kind of cycle out of that.
00:35:07.84\00:35:11.21
My flashbacks now take minutes
where they would take months,
00:35:11.57\00:35:16.24
sometimes even years.
00:35:16.31\00:35:17.58
Being stuck in one of those
things where you can't feel
00:35:17.85\00:35:20.52
your skin is pretty serious.
00:35:20.52\00:35:21.95
But I, counseling support
groups, the truth, the truth is
00:35:22.62\00:35:28.89
powerful.
00:35:28.89\00:35:29.59
You are no longer
in that situation.
00:35:29.99\00:35:32.73
You are no longer that age.
00:35:32.89\00:35:34.56
You no longer are not
able to take care of yourself.
00:35:34.93\00:35:38.47
All of those things will get
you a little bit more strength
00:35:38.57\00:35:42.00
and a little bit more strength.
00:35:42.00\00:35:43.30
And I had to realize that
I'm no longer three years old.
00:35:43.34\00:35:47.21
I'm no longer unsafe.
00:35:49.14\00:35:50.41
People around me are safe.
00:35:50.58\00:35:52.11
man, if somebody comes up and
they say I want to hug you and
00:35:54.98\00:35:58.15
they don't feel
safe to me, I don't hug.
00:35:58.15\00:36:00.92
I put my hand out.
00:36:01.29\00:36:02.42
And so I have
the right to do that.
00:36:02.62\00:36:04.29
Even if that person gets
offended or people around me
00:36:04.29\00:36:07.10
get offended, is I've learned
to even monitor what feels
00:36:07.10\00:36:11.33
safe.
00:36:11.33\00:36:14.64
is so safe.
00:36:14.64\00:36:16.10
Right?
00:36:16.67\00:36:20.08
have people that I run
across that don't feel safe.
00:36:20.08\00:36:22.48
But I am now able.
00:36:22.71\00:36:24.38
Boundaries.
00:36:26.48\00:36:27.02
I love the fact that I'm
able to set those boundaries.
00:36:27.65\00:36:30.52
I went to a Celebrate Recovery
group, a CR group, and did it
00:36:30.52\00:36:35.99
on codependency and boundaries.
00:36:35.99\00:36:37.63
And what was really interesting
is I was so afraid to set a
00:36:38.19\00:36:41.30
boundary like
they're not going to like me.
00:36:41.30\00:36:44.00
If I set a boundary with my
mom, she would just tell me you
00:36:44.17\00:36:47.27
could leave.
00:36:47.27\00:36:47.90
I don't have to
see you ever again.
00:36:48.10\00:36:49.70
But you know what I mean is
I just didn't know I could do
00:36:50.01\00:36:53.11
that.
00:36:53.11\00:36:55.91
I don't have to be angry.
00:36:55.98\00:36:57.05
I just have to say yes or no.
00:36:57.21\00:36:58.61
I just have to
know when I show up.
00:36:58.61\00:37:01.58
And I want to say one thing.
00:37:02.02\00:37:03.42
When we don't know that, my
daughter one time said, Mom,
00:37:03.75\00:37:09.26
you've lied to me my whole life.
00:37:09.26\00:37:11.16
And I thought, I have not.
00:37:11.43\00:37:13.56
Like, you know, I
couldn't even understand that.
00:37:14.20\00:37:17.73
And she said, because I was
so beaten down, I would never
00:37:18.03\00:37:22.87
voice my opinion.
00:37:22.87\00:37:23.87
I would never say what I felt.
00:37:24.41\00:37:26.11
And so I showed up and
said what everybody else felt or
00:37:26.37\00:37:28.88
what everybody
else wanted me to say.
00:37:28.88\00:37:30.58
And she said, that's lie.
00:37:30.91\00:37:32.21
That's a lie.
00:37:32.45\00:37:33.25
You never told the truth.
00:37:33.58\00:37:35.08
And so when I made my amends, I
made my amends to her and said,
00:37:35.35\00:37:39.62
I'm sorry that I've
lied to you your whole life.
00:37:39.85\00:37:42.89
I just didn't feel like I
had it in me to show up and be
00:37:43.19\00:37:46.33
myself.
00:37:46.33\00:37:46.90
And that's not her issue.
00:37:47.13\00:37:48.46
That's my issue.
00:37:48.50\00:37:49.46
But even when we don't show up
and take care of ourself, it is
00:37:49.73\00:37:53.27
we're living a lie in a way
that doesn't feel good to them.
00:37:53.27\00:37:58.14
And it
definitely doesn't help us.
00:37:58.14\00:37:59.77
So when you learn to set
boundaries and to show up and
00:38:00.18\00:38:03.81
be in your own
skin, it's amazing.
00:38:03.81\00:38:05.85
It is absolutely
amazing, but it's hard work.
00:38:06.51\00:38:09.18
And you know, this is something
that when we do premarital
00:38:09.42\00:38:12.82
counseling, we always
talk about boundaries because
00:38:12.82\00:38:15.46
boundaries define who you are.
00:38:15.46\00:38:17.56
And it's amazing how
difficult it was, it is.
00:38:17.93\00:38:24.20
I'm still learning to set
boundaries because if you've
00:38:24.57\00:38:28.34
grown up in that abandonment
issues and all of these things,
00:38:28.34\00:38:31.87
it's like scary.
00:38:32.54\00:38:33.94
It is scary.
00:38:34.31\00:38:35.14
But boundaries are quite
necessary for any healthy
00:38:35.58\00:38:39.21
relationship.
00:38:39.21\00:38:40.02
I have to say this, God is
a boundary setting, boundary
00:38:40.92\00:38:45.05
keeping God.
00:38:45.05\00:38:45.95
That's what the
Ten Commandments are.
00:38:46.12\00:38:48.42
He's a God of love and the Ten
Commandments are boundaries to
00:38:48.82\00:38:54.20
show us how we can live
an abundant life and love
00:38:54.20\00:38:57.97
vertically, love horizontally.
00:38:57.97\00:38:59.87
It's beautiful.
00:39:00.27\00:39:01.44
Ten promises.
00:39:01.84\00:39:02.77
I got to read this.
00:39:03.17\00:39:04.14
Dear Sri, I am so
blessed by this program tonight.
00:39:04.27\00:39:07.61
Will this specific program
be available through YouTube or
00:39:08.18\00:39:12.61
3ABN -TV anytime soon?
00:39:12.61\00:39:15.48
You bet it will.
00:39:15.78\00:39:16.95
And you can watch it on the
3ABN Plus app at anytime you
00:39:17.25\00:39:21.12
want streaming it.
00:39:21.12\00:39:22.19
It needs to be seen.
00:39:22.39\00:39:23.73
It is priceless.
00:39:23.89\00:39:24.96
And here's the comment
that I hear quite often.
00:39:25.39\00:39:30.37
I find the Church can be one
of the loneliest places on Earth
00:39:31.10\00:39:34.40
because we are afraid to admit
our trauma because we can be
00:39:34.40\00:39:40.34
judged.
00:39:40.34\00:39:40.94
I want to say something.
00:39:41.58\00:39:42.88
Be careful who you
talk with at church.
00:39:43.85\00:39:47.52
Just be sure that you're
talking to someone who is
00:39:48.15\00:39:53.36
mature in the Lord
and who isn't going to...
00:39:53.36\00:39:58.06
Sometimes people can talk to
someone and then that person's
00:39:58.06\00:40:02.16
going, Oh, you need to pray
for someone, so did you know?
00:40:02.16\00:40:05.07
And they're doing it under
the guise of a prayer request.
00:40:05.07\00:40:08.27
And it's gossip.
00:40:08.90\00:40:10.01
Yeah, but even with that, what
I've learned over the years is
00:40:10.41\00:40:14.44
I don't want to
live that careful.
00:40:14.44\00:40:16.71
So, heal so that will
not cause further injury.
00:40:17.41\00:40:22.05
So, do your healing.
00:40:22.88\00:40:24.02
Be careful who you talk to.
00:40:24.09\00:40:25.22
That's incredible.
00:40:25.42\00:40:26.49
But literally, I've
been careful my whole life.
00:40:27.36\00:40:29.52
I've been careful my whole life.
00:40:29.72\00:40:31.09
I've not showed up in
my own skin my whole life.
00:40:31.16\00:40:33.36
And so, sometimes I think if
I walk in the Church and someone
00:40:33.80\00:40:37.73
decides to gossip about me,
there's a new book that I love.
00:40:37.73\00:40:41.67
It's called Let Them.
00:40:41.87\00:40:42.90
Let Them.
00:40:44.27\00:40:44.94
It's not my business.
00:40:45.47\00:40:46.57
Right?
00:40:47.24\00:40:50.01
And at the end of the book,
the last chapter in the book, it
00:40:50.35\00:40:53.15
says let me just enjoy my life.
00:40:53.15\00:40:54.82
So, there's something that I
can't monitor what other people
00:40:55.12\00:41:00.46
do.
00:41:00.46\00:41:04.99
trauma.
00:41:04.99\00:41:05.43
I am you know I'm a
little flaky, Shelley.
00:41:05.96\00:41:08.66
And I used to try to not be.
00:41:09.30\00:41:11.77
And it just was
too overwhelming.
00:41:12.00\00:41:13.80
It's too much work.
00:41:14.27\00:41:15.04
But even that is that I
just have to say that there are
00:41:15.44\00:41:20.01
people that I absolutely love
that love me for exactly who I
00:41:20.01\00:41:24.01
am.
00:41:24.01\00:41:25.78
So, be careful about who
you open up to, especially
00:41:26.01\00:41:28.48
initially.
00:41:28.48\00:41:29.12
But after a while, enjoy
walking in the Church and be a
00:41:29.65\00:41:33.29
blessing to them.
00:41:33.29\00:41:34.02
And don't worry about it.
00:41:34.19\00:41:35.32
Amen.
00:41:35.46\00:41:35.89
And I hope that makes sense.
00:41:36.12\00:41:37.66
It does.
00:41:37.83\00:41:38.36
It does.
00:41:38.36\00:41:39.06
You have a question, honey?
00:41:39.46\00:41:40.46
Yes.
00:41:40.93\00:41:41.33
Comment.
00:41:42.03\00:41:42.53
Hello, Sheree.
00:41:43.16\00:41:44.47
I love you.
00:41:44.77\00:41:46.17
Virtual hugs to you, sister.
00:41:46.67\00:41:48.47
I take them.
00:41:48.74\00:41:49.64
May God continue to bless you
and your ministry of educating
00:41:50.01\00:41:52.91
the public about trauma.
00:41:52.91\00:41:54.31
There's one more here.
00:41:56.01\00:41:57.68
Has Sheree used equine therapy?
00:41:58.55\00:42:01.52
Did she really ask
that or he asked that?
00:42:03.82\00:42:05.65
Nope.
00:42:05.65\00:42:05.92
That's what it is.
00:42:06.25\00:42:10.19
years ago, 20 years ago,
and they would not trust me for
00:42:10.19\00:42:14.03
anything.
00:42:14.03\00:42:17.20
And I laughed because I thought
I'd never been on a horse.
00:42:18.10\00:42:20.47
I don't know
anything about horses.
00:42:20.50\00:42:22.40
And they said, no, the vet is
going to bring a horse for you
00:42:22.70\00:42:25.41
and teach you how to ride.
00:42:25.41\00:42:26.54
So I thought, oh, cool.
00:42:26.94\00:42:29.18
And so I went and
they gave me a cowboy hat.
00:42:29.61\00:42:32.25
And I said, oh, I have a
cowboy hat, but I don't have any
00:42:32.25\00:42:32.28
horses.
00:42:34.58\00:42:38.89
And I didn't have a
place for the horses.
00:42:39.12\00:42:41.19
And this woman said, I'll
keep the horses until you get a
00:42:41.29\00:42:43.99
place.
00:42:43.99\00:42:44.53
God gave me a
place in three months.
00:42:44.86\00:42:46.43
I was driving down the street.
00:42:46.46\00:42:47.86
This is a place.
00:42:48.40\00:42:49.33
The guy said, I own
this place outright.
00:42:49.96\00:42:51.83
I can do whatever I want to.
00:42:51.87\00:42:53.17
And pretty soon I'm
living in that place.
00:42:53.27\00:42:55.07
And the nine horses were
shipped there before I got
00:42:55.34\00:42:58.27
there.
00:42:58.27\00:43:01.08
we figure out how to do this.
00:43:01.08\00:43:02.44
But anyhow, so I started doing
equine therapy with children.
00:43:02.44\00:43:06.72
And it was the
most amazing thing.
00:43:07.08\00:43:09.35
And then with veterans with
PTSD and CPTSD with children.
00:43:09.45\00:43:14.02
And within And somebody's
out there going, what's equine
00:43:14.62\00:43:18.06
therapy?
00:43:18.06\00:43:22.56
how to ride, even
though that's part of it.
00:43:22.56\00:43:24.37
But you use horses as therapy.
00:43:24.53\00:43:26.77
As when somebody learns to
trust an animal that that's
00:43:27.50\00:43:30.91
that big, they actually learn
to trust in a way that will go
00:43:30.91\00:43:36.34
over to the people around them
or to their lives or whatever.
00:43:36.34\00:43:38.98
And so you just teach
trust and you teach patience.
00:43:39.08\00:43:42.28
And you teach ADHD kids not to
run up to the animal and how to
00:43:42.58\00:43:46.35
be aware of their own body.
00:43:46.35\00:43:47.52
And so it's using
horses is therapy.
00:43:47.92\00:43:50.36
And we use Pirelli, which is
a friendship kind of thing where
00:43:50.39\00:43:53.73
you actually connect
with the horse in friendship.
00:43:53.73\00:43:57.43
And it's so healing.
00:43:57.73\00:43:59.30
It's unbelievably healing.
00:43:59.50\00:44:00.84
And so one day I'm out there.
00:44:01.20\00:44:02.47
I'm out in six acres that
God gave us on this ranch.
00:44:02.47\00:44:06.01
And I'm out there and I
said, God, what you're doing for
00:44:06.41\00:44:09.64
these kids is
absolutely amazing.
00:44:09.64\00:44:11.95
And I hear the Holy Spirit
say, oh, you think I did it for
00:44:12.21\00:44:15.75
them.
00:44:15.75\00:44:16.15
And I thought, no way.
00:44:17.22\00:44:18.99
And so God reminded me when I
was a little girl, I dreamt of
00:44:19.22\00:44:22.96
horses.
00:44:22.96\00:44:23.46
But I lived in a drug.
00:44:23.89\00:44:25.19
You know, my house was a mess.
00:44:25.36\00:44:27.66
And so I dreamt of horses.
00:44:27.96\00:44:29.00
And now I'm in a
place that's my own home.
00:44:29.16\00:44:33.20
And I have nine horses and I
get to walk out and hear them
00:44:33.47\00:44:36.27
eat and walk around.
00:44:36.27\00:44:37.91
And I had one horse that was
so intuitive with people that he
00:44:38.11\00:44:41.68
would literally walk up and put
his head in their chest and let
00:44:41.68\00:44:45.35
them just breathe.
00:44:45.35\00:44:46.78
I mean, horses are
amazing in therapy.
00:44:47.52\00:44:49.78
So thank you for asking that.
00:44:49.92\00:44:51.55
It's absolutely amazing.
00:44:51.59\00:44:53.39
And studies say that if you
can form a relationship with a
00:44:53.89\00:44:58.46
horse in about 15 weeks, you
actually will start to heal all
00:44:58.46\00:45:03.60
of that stuff because you just
get in a space where you start
00:45:03.60\00:45:07.84
to trust.
00:45:07.84\00:45:12.64
that God is close to those who
are broken in spirit, those who
00:45:12.64\00:45:17.35
are brokenhearted
and crushed in spirit.
00:45:17.35\00:45:19.68
And just remember that God
is intimately present in your
00:45:20.85\00:45:26.59
pain.
00:45:26.59\00:45:27.22
He understands your
pain and he wants to heal the
00:45:27.62\00:45:31.03
brokenhearted.
00:45:31.03\00:45:31.66
He says and
find up their wounds.
00:45:32.03\00:45:34.83
Yeah.
00:45:35.33\00:45:39.77
11 minutes and I just have
to say something that's really
00:45:39.77\00:45:42.84
important to me for people that
are learning to trust God with
00:45:42.84\00:45:46.04
this kind of stuff because
it's hard to trust God that you
00:45:46.04\00:45:50.11
can't see.
00:45:50.11\00:45:50.41
But God two times intervened
in ways that were unbelievable.
00:45:51.31\00:45:56.05
One of the ways I was saying,
yeah, I keep feeling like not
00:45:56.48\00:46:01.99
enough or less than the people
around me and we're all doing
00:46:01.99\00:46:04.93
speaking and doing different
events and I said, is that ever
00:46:04.93\00:46:09.06
going to go away?
00:46:09.06\00:46:09.86
And he shows me an image where
I was in the bathtub as a three
00:46:10.47\00:46:14.57
-year -old waiting for my
dad to come in and molest me.
00:46:14.57\00:46:16.81
And so, I mean, it wasn't a
time at all and my sisters were
00:46:16.94\00:46:20.98
there and we were all waiting
and the water was freezing cold
00:46:20.98\00:46:23.68
and then all of a sudden I feel
like God kind of walked into
00:46:23.68\00:46:29.28
that image and put his hand out
and said, can I get you out of
00:46:29.28\00:46:32.42
the tub because you're no
longer waiting to be molested
00:46:32.42\00:46:36.76
or abused and I want to
pull you out of the tub.
00:46:36.76\00:46:39.26
And I just remember that sense
of the invitation was extended
00:46:39.29\00:46:43.63
that God said, I want to
pull you out of all that.
00:46:43.63\00:46:46.37
I can't change the past
but I can definitely give you
00:46:46.37\00:46:51.34
everything that
you need to survive it.
00:46:51.34\00:46:53.01
And so, I think that we've
got to let God and so there's
00:46:53.38\00:46:55.84
another time that he showed me
I was a three-year-old dancing
00:46:55.84\00:46:58.35
in my parents' house was a mess
and dancing and just kind of
00:46:58.35\00:47:03.08
twirling around and my mom
was laying on the couch and my
00:47:03.08\00:47:07.29
stepdad was smoking weed
marching at a football game or
00:47:07.29\00:47:09.79
something and I was trying
to get anybody's attention and I
00:47:09.79\00:47:12.59
was just a little kid.
00:47:12.59\00:47:13.56
But what I saw in the image
without seeing anything I don't
00:47:13.80\00:47:17.23
know how God does that but what
I saw was this beautiful three
00:47:17.23\00:47:20.20
-year -old and I was shocked.
00:47:20.20\00:47:21.94
I thought I didn't think I
was cute I didn't think I was
00:47:22.50\00:47:25.61
beautiful because I wasn't
loved at all so I didn't think
00:47:25.61\00:47:30.71
that and God said you've always
been beautiful in this abnormal
00:47:30.71\00:47:34.62
place.
00:47:34.62\00:47:35.32
So he didn't shame my parents
he just said in this place that
00:47:35.85\00:47:40.06
was difficult and then the next
thing I felt like I saw was me
00:47:40.06\00:47:44.69
dancing in the most
holy place in front of God.
00:47:44.69\00:47:47.13
He said if you want to dance
for anybody if you want to come
00:47:47.20\00:47:50.00
and run around and
laugh with anybody come here.
00:47:50.00\00:47:52.33
The curtain was ripped for you
to come here and so we think we
00:47:52.53\00:47:57.44
make it into
something that it's not.
00:47:57.44\00:47:59.31
It's my father's saying the
curtain was ripped for you this
00:47:59.44\00:48:03.71
was done for you I want healing
beyond what you can imagine
00:48:03.71\00:48:06.98
abundantly.
00:48:06.98\00:48:07.92
I want you to enjoy your
life but we can't because we're
00:48:08.18\00:48:10.92
afraid to heal we're afraid to
say to somebody what our trauma
00:48:10.92\00:48:15.46
was or who we are and that kind
of stuff and God says don't be
00:48:15.46\00:48:19.16
afraid.
00:48:19.16\00:48:22.83
sitting in the church afraid to
say to their seat mate man I'm
00:48:22.83\00:48:28.04
scared today.
00:48:28.04\00:48:28.84
So it's like being
able to not be afraid.
00:48:31.04\00:48:33.27
We've got to rip off the mask.
00:48:33.34\00:48:35.18
And even rip off the mask in
order to see who the person is.
00:48:35.88\00:48:40.32
I want to know you.
00:48:40.32\00:48:41.65
I want to have you know me.
00:48:41.85\00:48:43.99
I am a woman of
God and I love that.
00:48:44.22\00:48:47.29
Some days I'm going to
get hit with something hard.
00:48:47.76\00:48:49.96
I'll deal with it I'll grieve
with you and then let's go to
00:48:50.09\00:48:53.36
the beach or something.
00:48:53.36\00:48:57.10
everybody is so
silent in their secrets.
00:48:57.10\00:49:00.44
And this ties into this
question that came in what role
00:49:00.60\00:49:03.61
does the church community
play in someone's long term
00:49:03.61\00:49:07.11
recovery?
00:49:07.11\00:49:07.98
You know it only plays if we're
willing to be real enough with
00:49:09.01\00:49:12.15
each other.
00:49:12.15\00:49:12.68
I am the church.
00:49:12.98\00:49:13.98
You are the church.
00:49:14.05\00:49:15.15
And so we're looking for this
kind of hypothetical group that
00:49:15.38\00:49:19.25
is going to do something.
00:49:19.25\00:49:20.22
No we are going to do it.
00:49:20.39\00:49:22.32
And so that as we heal and
we can look at each other we're
00:49:22.56\00:49:26.39
going to be
there for each other.
00:49:26.39\00:49:27.60
But I think there is a change
that has to happen in the way
00:49:27.66\00:49:31.10
we speak on trauma.
00:49:31.10\00:49:32.20
The way we how informed we are
with trauma and what we decide
00:49:32.37\00:49:37.44
the energy that we bring to
the building because I am not
00:49:37.44\00:49:41.01
waiting any longer for
the pastor to do it because
00:49:41.01\00:49:43.31
sometimes a
pastor doesn't know how.
00:49:43.31\00:49:45.68
Right?
00:49:46.11\00:49:46.75
But I'm going to
walk in and do it.
00:49:46.92\00:49:48.65
Like I I'm just
going to walk in.
00:49:48.65\00:49:50.55
Like I found a new
church because I just moved to
00:49:50.55\00:49:54.16
Huntington Beach but I found
a church and I walked in and
00:49:54.16\00:49:57.39
about five or six people I just
put my hand out and I said it's
00:49:57.39\00:50:00.00
really nice to meet you.
00:50:00.00\00:50:01.16
And I think it surprised them.
00:50:01.43\00:50:02.86
Well later on that day I'm
invited to a Passover feast at
00:50:02.86\00:50:06.23
this Hebrew couple's house.
00:50:06.23\00:50:07.57
It was the most magical thing
I've been through in my life I
00:50:07.87\00:50:10.87
think.
00:50:10.87\00:50:14.58
because sometimes they don't.
00:50:14.58\00:50:16.58
Right?
00:50:16.85\00:50:19.11
Nice to meet you.
00:50:19.45\00:50:20.42
And so my sister said did they
know you were Sherri Peters?
00:50:20.68\00:50:23.65
Is that why?
00:50:23.79\00:50:24.32
No.
00:50:24.32\00:50:24.72
Nobody knew me.
00:50:24.75\00:50:25.49
They didn't know me.
00:50:25.69\00:50:27.02
They just knew I was friendly.
00:50:27.42\00:50:29.39
Amen.
00:50:30.06\00:50:31.46
This is a great
scripture, Galatians 5.1.
00:50:31.66\00:50:34.20
It is for freedom that
Christ has set us free.
00:50:34.93\00:50:38.03
Stand firm, then, and do
not let yourselves be burdened
00:50:38.80\00:50:42.64
again by the yoke of slavery.
00:50:42.64\00:50:44.64
Powerful.
00:50:45.97\00:50:46.51
Powerful by
that yoke of slavery.
00:50:46.71\00:50:48.74
So even in Ephesians, one
of the things that got me in
00:50:49.08\00:50:52.21
Ephesians when who wrote it?
00:50:52.21\00:50:55.98
Was it Paul?
00:50:55.98\00:50:56.02
When he said to fight against
the schemes of the devil.
00:50:57.22\00:51:00.16
And I thought to myself what
are the schemes of the devil?
00:51:00.92\00:51:03.83
He didn't fight
against the devil.
00:51:03.83\00:51:03.86
Fight against the schemes.
00:51:05.59\00:51:06.76
So the schemes in my life
is to say you're a bad seed.
00:51:06.80\00:51:10.07
You're not lovable.
00:51:10.33\00:51:11.27
You're never going
to have anyone respond.
00:51:11.57\00:51:13.27
Somebody else, the
scheme would be something else.
00:51:13.30\00:51:15.50
Right?
00:51:15.70\00:51:16.14
And so each of us has schemes.
00:51:16.40\00:51:17.81
And literally when God
says take every thought captive,
00:51:18.11\00:51:21.24
fight against the schemes that
the devil throws at you because
00:51:21.58\00:51:24.11
they are lies and they
will keep us in bondage.
00:51:24.11\00:51:26.55
And the blood of Christ
really did happen in Passover.
00:51:26.61\00:51:30.82
It says to bring us out of
Egypt or bring us out of these
00:51:31.02\00:51:33.59
lies and these traumas.
00:51:33.59\00:51:34.82
But we can't even see
them if we believe lies.
00:51:34.99\00:51:38.29
We just can't see them.
00:51:38.43\00:51:39.56
So I'm saying to my brothers
and sisters, everybody that's
00:51:39.76\00:51:42.96
asked these
questions, stop believing lies.
00:51:42.96\00:51:46.03
You are an incredible man or
woman of God and loved with an
00:51:46.23\00:51:50.07
everlasting love.
00:51:50.07\00:51:50.94
And that is
healing in and of itself.
00:51:50.94\00:51:50.97
And it's tough to walk into
that because for one, I thought
00:51:53.31\00:51:56.64
I was a bad seed.
00:51:56.64\00:51:57.85
But you know, here's what I say
is that you you're not who you
00:51:58.31\00:52:02.92
think you are.
00:52:02.92\00:52:03.59
You're not who
others say you are.
00:52:04.22\00:52:06.02
You are who God says you are.
00:52:06.09\00:52:07.62
And anything that you believe
about yourself that doesn't
00:52:07.66\00:52:11.03
line up with what God says
about who you are in Christ,
00:52:11.03\00:52:15.06
that's a lie of the devil.
00:52:15.36\00:52:16.77
Amen.
00:52:16.77\00:52:21.17
after resurrection, he didn't
say this is who you are in this
00:52:21.17\00:52:24.84
journey here the
day after resurrection.
00:52:24.84\00:52:27.11
That's who I've always seen.
00:52:27.34\00:52:28.64
The world has lied to you.
00:52:28.91\00:52:30.51
I've always seen you here.
00:52:30.78\00:52:32.21
And so to me, we
have to believe him.
00:52:32.78\00:52:34.85
Real quick.
00:52:34.92\00:52:35.45
We got to get this one out.
00:52:35.58\00:52:36.62
What do I do when I feel stuck?
00:52:37.82\00:52:39.85
You're talking
about standing firm.
00:52:39.99\00:52:41.62
What do I do when I feel
stuck in a cycle of relapse even
00:52:41.96\00:52:45.83
though I want freedom?
00:52:45.83\00:52:47.13
Amen.
00:52:47.50\00:52:48.00
That's the hardest place to be.
00:52:48.33\00:52:49.60
And it really is like I don't
want to discount that place at
00:52:49.70\00:52:53.64
all.
00:52:53.64\00:52:59.11
support group around you.
00:52:59.11\00:53:00.28
I have friends that if I'm
getting hit with something I
00:53:00.54\00:53:03.68
can call and I can call and
say, Hey, Joe, please pray for
00:53:03.68\00:53:09.42
me.
00:53:09.42\00:53:10.05
Or this is what's happening.
00:53:10.09\00:53:11.29
And so you've got
to start opening up.
00:53:11.49\00:53:13.96
And some people have no one.
00:53:14.06\00:53:15.39
Some people have not
opened up honestly to anyone.
00:53:15.42\00:53:18.36
And I don't blame you
because it is really tough.
00:53:18.66\00:53:20.83
Our traumas are tough.
00:53:20.93\00:53:21.96
But that's what you have to say.
00:53:22.36\00:53:24.87
God help me to
confront that in myself.
00:53:24.90\00:53:27.74
Sometimes recovery
groups will allow you to come.
00:53:28.97\00:53:31.21
They don't care if you
come high, come high but come so
00:53:31.27\00:53:34.61
that you can start those
support groups for when you
00:53:34.61\00:53:36.81
need them.
00:53:36.81\00:53:37.28
Go to a Bible study.
00:53:37.35\00:53:38.18
Go to a knitting class.
00:53:38.21\00:53:39.31
Do a bowling team.
00:53:39.38\00:53:40.45
You know, I
don't care what it is.
00:53:40.68\00:53:42.12
Pick a ball.
00:53:42.32\00:53:42.92
I love it.
00:53:42.95\00:53:47.26
you that you can connect with
and call when you're struggling
00:53:47.26\00:53:50.09
because you will not be able
to pull your own bootstraps up.
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I know that that's a popular
saying, but man, I don't see
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anybody doing it well.
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Well, let me read
this one right here.
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This is from Terry in Ohio.
00:54:00.64\00:54:02.30
Hi, Terry.
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Hi.
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your work.
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You have touched thousands
and we're all crazy about you.
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Again, thank you for being
open, true, and being someone
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willing to be God's hand
walking us through a valley.
00:54:15.25\00:54:18.12
Thank you, Terry.
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Beautiful.
00:54:20.16\00:54:25.29
someone out there who's hurting
because they can't open up or
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they haven't opened up.
00:54:29.03\00:54:30.33
I like what you talk about.
00:54:30.60\00:54:32.10
You know, it was very difficult
for me and I think emotionally,
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I've always seemed really even
-keeled, but I hid a lot in my
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heart for a long time
and it was hard to open up.
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You know, I want to say for
anybody that feels like they
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are stuck and it's
difficult to open up.
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Man, I get that.
00:54:52.85\00:54:53.86
But it's difficult
to stay where you're at.
00:54:54.06\00:54:56.39
Do you know what I mean?
00:54:56.83\00:54:57.56
And so you have
to pick your heart.
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Which is going to be harder for
me to five years from now say
00:54:59.53\00:55:03.06
the same thing and be in
the same place or for me to say,
00:55:03.06\00:55:06.23
here's some steps that other
people have made before me.
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They are difficult.
00:55:09.24\00:55:10.14
They scare me to death.
00:55:10.37\00:55:11.27
My palms sweat.
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I don't know if I can
do it and do it anyway.
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Do it anyway.
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Because right now I was stuck
for so many years in a place
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that I didn't belong.
00:55:21.35\00:55:22.38
I did not belong in a
place where I was not loved, not
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lovable, surrounded myself with
people that couldn't love me
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and then I just got more
and more stuck and more and more
00:55:30.26\00:55:33.29
discouraged.
00:55:33.29\00:55:36.50
Here are the
steps and follow them.
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And so that's why support
groups are so incredible.
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Bible study groups, if you have
somebody around you that has
00:55:44.41\00:55:47.44
done the journey before
you, ask them, what did you do?
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And then do it.
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And it's horribly hard.
00:55:52.25\00:55:54.08
But it's horribly hard
to stay where you're at.
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Pick your heart.
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I promise you every step that
you make you do the step and
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God will do the blessing.
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You do the step and
God will do the blessing.
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What he showed me is I am
an incredible woman of God.
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And I don't say that to brag.
00:56:12.53\00:56:14.50
I say that because
it's just the truth.
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Do you know what I mean?
00:56:16.94\00:56:17.84
And I know it's
the truth for you.
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And I just pray
that you get there.
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You don't have to
reinvent the wheel.
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Other people
have done the steps.
00:56:25.71\00:56:27.08
They know what to do.
00:56:27.28\00:56:28.28
Read it.
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Listen to it on YouTube.
00:56:29.52\00:56:30.72
Ask somebody in the
recovery community and do it.
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Sherrie Peters,
we love you so much.
00:56:35.22\00:56:37.79
Thank you for being here.
00:56:37.89\00:56:39.16
And if you want to get in touch
with Sherrie, you can email her
00:56:39.36\00:56:43.26
at truestepofficeat gmail.com.
00:56:43.26\00:56:47.87
Thank you for being here.
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Our prayer for you,
thank you for being with us.
00:56:49.87\00:56:52.27
And our prayer for you is
that the grace of our Lord and
00:56:52.31\00:56:55.64
Savior Jesus Christ, the
love of the Father and the
00:56:55.64\00:56:58.78
fellowship of the Holy Spirit
will walk you through this and
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be with you always.
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God bless you.
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