Well, welcome back to the second
hour of a very exciting, very
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informative, very
engaging program, Lineage.
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And if you missed the first
hour, you're going to have to
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catch it on the replay or
a couple of days from now.
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But we're talking about Lineage,
a ministry that grew from a
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fledgling idea to now
more than 300 episodes.
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And we have with
us today, Adam...
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Oh, the word
blessing is probably...
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It needs more letters.
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Because this is
just, it's transforming.
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I mean, Adam...
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Ramden.
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Ramden.
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And Clive Coutay.
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That's right, yeah.
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You know, that's just...
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I worked so hard on remembering
your name before I got his.
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Do you both have families?
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We do, yeah.
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Tell us about them.
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So I married 11 years
ago this coming Sunday.
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Oh, nice.
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two, Enoch and Eden.
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Oh, I like the name.
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Yeah, they're
here with me as well.
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Oh, they're here?
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Wonderful.
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Okay.
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Is she British?
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She is, yes.
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I think we met your wife.
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Yes, she did meet my wife, yes.
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So I have, my eldest is a
daughter and then I have three
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boys. Oh, nice.
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Wonderful.
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And so when you say your
generation, you're a young man,
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but you're a dad.
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Yes.
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He said it's his generation.
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But thank you for contributing
to the generations that need
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this kind of media.
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generations because
it's pretty low every class.
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It's phenomenal.
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about the roots, not just
Adventist roots, but the Bible
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roots. Christian roots.
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Christian roots, yeah, yeah.
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Identity.
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Identity.
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lot of what you cover, like
the book of Revelation is not an
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Adventist book.
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Have you received input from
people of different walks of
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life that have
watched your series?
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We do, and that's an interesting
question because we do hear a
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lot of people that watch lineage
in churches or they watch it in
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schools.
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Adventists and so on.
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maybe our
immediate faith community.
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One of them is a story that
comes from California, actually,
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and it's connected to 3 of them,
but I'll let Clive share it
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because he's the
one who connected it.
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Yeah, last time we came up on
the show, I think it was 2019,
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on the roll, we didn't have
a personal, we didn't have a
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ministry phone number.
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So it was actually
my personal number.
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Oh, no.
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a blessing.
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was a side project back then.
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And I got a phone call and
it was, I picked up the phone, I
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looked at the number first and I
didn't quite recognize it and I
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picked it up and it was a
machine and the machine said,
this is a collect call.
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This person at this prison
would like to speak to you.
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I'm thinking in my head, I'm
racking my brains and I'm like,
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you know, I've
not been in the U.S.
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too long.
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I don't really
know anyone in prison.
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If it was the U.K., I'd probably
understand, but I don't really
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know anyone in the U.S.
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but I'll just take the call.
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I took it and then it was a guy
who picked up and he said, I'm
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so-and -so in prison in
California and we have really
enjoyed watching your
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show on 3ABN.
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And I think something's happened
with the schedule and we're no
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longer able to watch it and I
have a group of about 20 to 25
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people who are studying the
Bible and we were able to watch
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your episodes. Would it be
possible to donate some of your
resources, some books, some
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DVDs or your videos to the
prison so that we're able to
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continue studying
it with the inmates?
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They can watch it on demand.
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They said there's about 60
people in the prison who don't
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have anything to do and are
looking for stuff to digest.
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So he gave me the
chaplain's phone number.
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I contacted the chaplain and
arranged for him to go to send
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resources.
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resources and then about two
weeks later, the guy from the
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prison called me back again
and he said, we still haven't
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received the items.
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Did you send them?
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And I was like,
yeah, yeah, I sent them.
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Another two weeks
passed, he called me back again.
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Did you send the items?
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Like these guys were hungry for
the word and I said, I sent them
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and he said, I think they've
gone missing somewhere and would
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you be able to send them again?
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comes forward again,
you can call me back.
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By the way, he only had two
minute phone calls once a week
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and he was using them on me.
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And just to get these resources.
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So eventually he called me
really excited saying, we got
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the resources, they cleared.
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Because I think when you send a
package to the prison, they have
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to be checked and all the
content has to be checked.
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And, you know, I'm guessing the
guards would have to watch some
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of that stuff as well.
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he was just so praising the Lord
that he was able to find this
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content, study through the Great
Controversy, study through some
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of the Reformation, Adventist
history, and all started by him
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watching or somehow in the
prison being able to watch 3ABN.
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And you know, you asked the
question, you know, when did you
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realize this came big?
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For me, it's when I
hear stories like that.
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Because it's like, you know,
here at 3ABN, you know this as
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well. You have no idea
how far the media can go.
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You know, you have no idea who's
home or what YouTube channel or
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a prison or what country.
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You know, the work you do is
almost a thankless job because
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you don't know, but those
stories are really what fire us
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and keep us going. When we meet
people in our travels, we just
kind of funny story out
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kind of along the same lines we
were in Jamaica recently and we
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were in a place called
Wyes Falls, which is very inland
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falls. And we're coming down the
falls, my wife and her sister
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are ahead of us
and of other people.
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All of a sudden this guy says,
oh my, what are you doing here?
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And I thought, he
caught me off guard.
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He said, I watch you
all the time on 3ABN.
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What are you
doing here in Jamaica?
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And you realize we are inland in
Jamaica, up in the mountains at
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Wyes Falls.
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And you realize even among the
young people, because a lot of
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times you would say, well, you
know, 3ABN is for a certain age
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group, but not
everybody watches it.
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This guy had to be
about 15 or 16 years old.
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He said, wait, wait, wait,
can I take a picture with you?
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And he's soaking wet.
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And he says, Cameron, you
realize it's getting everywhere.
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And we travel around the world
and the stories are that way.
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And that's why lineage, going
through the window of 3ABN, as a
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matter of fact, kind of go back.
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When did you connect with
3ABN and remember having your
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programs started to
be seen through 3ABN?
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2018 and 19, I think it was
around then, I think that we had
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a first interview on 3ABN.
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I think it was 2018, the first
interview on 3ABN, but another
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one in 2019.
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And I think 3ABN started showing
around that time as well,
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broadcasting the
episodes back then.
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So we've been really blessed
by, you know, 3ABN showing the
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episodes and
the breadth of that.
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Yeah, great coverage.
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And yeah, I mean, back to your
other questions about, you know,
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it going outside.
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There's another story as well.
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Yes, yes.
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Well, there's a
couple of them actually.
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I'll just share one of them.
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And that is, we know a lot
of Christian schools or a lot of
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our own church schools show the
episodes whether, you know, we
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have friends who are teachers
and they use those episodes in
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the class. But it's happened
five times that it's come to me.
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I've been in England where I've
been approached three times in
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churches.
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and as they're there in the
public school, the teachers have
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used lineage in the classroom,
religion class or history class,
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in a public school.
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And then just, it was last year
as well, one of our team members
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in Australia, she goes to church
and two girls came to church on
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Sabbath.
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Anglican school, Adventist
girls, but one goes to an
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Anglican or Episcopalian,
as they say here, school.
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One goes to a Catholic school
and they came to her and said,
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Hey Suki, the teachers are using
lineage in our class curriculum.
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She's like, oh really, did
you tell the teacher about it?
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Like, you know,
you told the teacher.
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She said, no, we didn't
tell the teacher anything.
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The teacher found the resources
online and put it in the class
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curriculum.
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student is in the class who
knows one of us and comes and
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tells us. So we think that maybe
it's happening more than that,
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but we just don't know
because they don't tell us.
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So we don't know.
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We did some work on our website,
trying to optimize the back end
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and...
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You have a wonderful website.
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...help to rank higher on the
Google searches and I think that
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has helped out with
people, teachers and looking for
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resources can find it.
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So schools...
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then a teacher can easily
just slip it into a class.
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It doesn't change the complete
dynamics of the lesson plan.
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But speaking to that, that's why
maintaining the legitimacy of
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the chronology of the events
that are taking place, the
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pictures, the locations, and
that's another bit of time
because when you start
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looking at, okay, we're going
to be going to this particular
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location, what historical
credibility can we add, can we
maintain in finding
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dates because
people check it out.
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They do.
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date.
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And so thank you for that.
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That I know is
just the accuracy.
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The fact checking.
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through the spirit of prophecy
in the Bible and you can kind of
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know what took place.
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And then you're reading
the artifacts in this actual
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location. You're like,
well, that's not quite how it
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happened. You know, this
has been transformed to being
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something that was Protestant
to almost something that was
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Catholic. So, you know, it
really helps to have all the
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book references to have all
those things, all the photos,
the videos and really
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transport people
to those locations.
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Okay, well, here's somebody.
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I think this is a question.
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This is Mark.
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He says, the
lineage team is fantastic.
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I love your programs.
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Please provide a program,
okay, on the origin of the term
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Shekinah used by Ellen White.
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And then he wrote, bless
you in Jesus' name, Mark.
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The Shekinah,
that's interesting.
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The Shekinah glory, yeah.
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No, maybe we can
do that sometime.
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Thank you, Mark.
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Yeah, thanks, Mark.
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So now talk about some of
the resources because we want to
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talk about some of
the books that you have.
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Sure, so we have a few, probably
as lineage, we've made three of
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our own and then one of our team
members has also written two
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that we distribute as well.
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So the three we've made are
two educational coloring books,
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which one of our team members
who is an illustrator drew all
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the... It's on your website?
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It's on the website, yeah.
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Do we have a graphic of that?
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No, not the coloring book.
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So each page is the original
artwork, then there's a write-up
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next to it, there's a fun
fact, there's a QR code so when
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they're coloring they can scan
the code and go to the video
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that connects with the story.
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So we have a book on the
Reformation history, we have a
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book on Adventism.
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They're not
thick, they're just thin.
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Coloring books for, I won't say
children, but for people, anyone
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who wants to draw.
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So they're
educational coloring books.
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Then we have another book
called Bringers of the Dawn.
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This one we released in 2021,
I think, and that book is like a
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study guide.
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the Reformation.
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There's 48 or 49
chapters in that book.
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Each chapter is about
three or five pages long.
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There's pictures in there,
original pictures that we've
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taken. And at the end of
each chapter, there's about five
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questions that are discussion
or reflection questions.
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And then there's also a QR code
that you can scan that will take
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you to the video.
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Originally, we made this
book as a digital resource.
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It's on the Apple iBook store,
and you can download an iBook on
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there. But then we put it
into print form, and it's...
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We have a graphic of that one.
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Okay, let's
bring the graphic up.
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Yeah, we have a
graphic of that one.
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I kind of wanted to touch...
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Oh, here it is.
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Oh, Bringers of the Dawn.
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Bringers of the Dawn, okay.
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Oh, there's books.
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So it's in four.
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Okay, that's the book
itself standing on the...
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Yeah, just one single book.
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Okay.
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Oh, look at that.
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And that's another expense.
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We're going to talk about that
before the end of the program on
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how you could
support this ministry.
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Because to say that support is a
worthy factor for what you do is
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an understatement.
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And we know it takes...
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The maintenance of equipment,
the updating of equipment, you
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know, laptops, they come out
really fast, and after a while,
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technology just morphs the sizes
into say, well, we need more
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RAM, we need newer lenses,
something needs to be updated.
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And so just kind of give
us an overview of how this is
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maintained, I mean, maintenance,
because as you mentioned earlier
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in the program, it's expensive,
and the team has never been in
the same location at
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the same time.
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It's nice if we could.
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Where do you...
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own...
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Training session.
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us at 3ABN and we're
going to have a meeting.
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Yeah, that would be nice, yeah.
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But talk about where does...
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Where does all
the equipment house?
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I mean, how is it when you
get together to do a shoot?
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Okay, bring this
and you bring that.
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So most of the video stuff
would probably be with myself.
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Our other team member, Jasper,
he has his own stuff as well.
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So just in case I'm not able to
make a shoot, for some reason,
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Jasper can go
with Adam and do it.
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Our photographer
has all his own gear.
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It's interesting because when we
started this ministry, there was
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no money involved.
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just volunteering their time.
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They're volunteering their mics,
their cameras, their photography
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equipment.
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But over time, as the Lord
has blessed, we've able to build
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some things up for the ministry.
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But a lot of that is now located
in California where I live
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because of I'm the person
editing and I'm doing a lot of
the filming as well.
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But it kind of
varies on what we have.
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You're full time doing this.
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Yeah, so as of this year, as
of June 2024, I went full time.
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Adam went full time last year,
three quarter time, January last
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year.
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voluntary into full time.
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And obviously that takes a lot
more resources, kind of a step
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out in faith.
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get to this point.
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And everyone has been
doing it in their own time.
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So all of us have got,
most of us have got families and
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children and other jobs and
other commitments and just
taking time to do this on
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the side to get
it to this point.
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And then at one point it gets so
big where you're like, okay, we
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can't keep doing two things.
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We have to focus our attention.
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I think that's the stage
we're moving towards right now.
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Is it 501C3?
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Yeah, so we're fully
501C3 nonprofit in the U.S.
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So we can issue tax
deductible receipts to anybody.
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Wonderful, wonderful, that's
going to be good because there
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are people that are saying, man,
that's just so many of these
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episodes. We've got to get the
other 299 and the continuations
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of it. And we're going to talk
about the website there also.
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But now we want to look at a
little bit about something that
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is very relevant to
today, Liberty of Conscience
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Threatened. We have
like an 8 minute video.
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We're going to
look at some of that.
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But just kind of talk about that
a little bit because sometimes
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people don't know about what
that is, Liberty of Conscience
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Threatened. That video is part
of our great controversy series.
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It's chapter 35, I believe,
in the book, The Controversy of
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Liberty of
Conscience Threatened.
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And like you say, it's a
very relevant issue right now.
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As it's right now here in
the United States, worldwide.
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These are pertinent issues.
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And so that chapter in
particular, we wanted to make
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sure that that chapter was
filmed as good as we could.
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We filmed part of that on
location in Rome and we filmed
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part of that on
location in Washington, D.C.
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Outside the Congress, outside
the Supreme Court, buildings
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that, what takes place there may
have an impact in the future.
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And so that episode I think is
very pertinent and that actually
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may play partly into what we may
be doing in the future in terms
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of our future plans.
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of Religious Liberty and
how it's developed over time.
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Not just in the U.S.
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but kind of around the world.
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Around the world.
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So it's in Washington, D.C.
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and where else?
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We filmed in
Washington and Rome.
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In Rome.
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I want to get a
chance to look at it.
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If we don't look at the whole
thing, we're going to look at
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the greater part of it.
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I think, and as Adam stated and
Clive stated, this is an issue
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today that is challenging
the world very much here in the
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United States.
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Liberty of
Conscience Threatened.
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Check it out.
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During the 16th century,
the Protestant Reformation made
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great strides in various
countries in Europe, such as
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Germany, Switzerland, England,
Scotland and across Scandinavia.
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But here in France, it
struggled to get going.
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There were great reformers
who were French, such as John
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Caldron, but by and large, the
Catholic Church was able to stay
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as the dominant power.
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persecuted.
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thousands of
Protestants were killed.
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Throughout the early 1700s,
Europe's economy expanded, which
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also led to population growth,
with it almost doubling during
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this time.
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meaning it was the largest and
most populated country in Europe
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at the time.
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There were
several factors to these.
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Among them was a crop failure
and also a financial drain from
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France's heavy and prolonged
involvement in the American
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Revolution.
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Another contributing factor was
the departure of the Huguenots
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in 1685, after many of their
rights as citizens were taken
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away. These persecuted
Protestants contributed
significantly to the
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economy, and their
absence was a huge loss.
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At the time, Protestants
and Jews were denied full state
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rights. Unemployment was also at
an all -time high, and the gap
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between the rich and
the poor continued to widen.
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Distrust in the church was
also very high, and with a huge
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disparity between the classes,
it eventually exploded into a
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full-on revolt against
all those in authority.
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Both the ruling classes and also
those in religious authority.
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The Age of Enlightenment and the
Scientific Revolution led by men
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like Voltaire, Descartes and
Rousseau, among others, led to a
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suspicion of the church and
distrust in religion in general.
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This was because France, more
than any other country during
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the Reformation, was able
to suppress the reading of the
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Bible. The Catholic Church
retained a stranglehold on
French society that
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the Reformation never
had the chance to break.
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The suppression of the Bible
in France during the French
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Revolution was prophesied in
Revelation, Chapter 11, which
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says that the two witnesses,
which contextually are the Old
and New Testament, would be
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clothed in sackcloth, a
reference to the Bible being
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sidelined and disregarded.
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Revelation 11 goes on to say
that a beast would ascend out of
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the bottomless pit.
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In Bible prophecy, a beast means
a nation or a kingdom, and this
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one would arise at the end of
the 1260 -year prophecy around
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the year 1798.
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Revelation 11 goes on to
say that the great city is
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spiritually
called Sodom and Egypt.
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Egypt is a common reference
to atheism in the Bible, for no
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other nation so
blatantly defied God.
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Exodus 5 verse 2 says, Who is
Jehovah that I should obey him?
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Sodom is a common
reference to sexual immorality.
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We see both of these
characteristics come to pass
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here in France when starting
in 1793, for the first time an
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assembly of educated men
governing one of the largest
nations in Europe, sitting
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in the building behind me,
unanimously renounced belief and
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worship of a deity.
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Every nation has had their fair
share of atheists, but France
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stands alone as a state
which declared there is no God.
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Wow, that is amazing.
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We're looking at
the segue of history.
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Talk about how that great
controversy has broken up.
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That's a good point, because
those who have read the book
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Great Controversy, it's
kind of split into two halves.
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You've got the first 20
chapters that are historical.
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It talks about Luther,
the Wadenties and so on.
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And you've got the second half
that are to talk about doctrinal
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issues and also future prophecy.
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And you may wonder why are there
kind of two halves to the book
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Great Controversy.
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Why is one half past and
one half is kind of future?
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And I believe the reason is
this, because it does talk about
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in the book Great Controversy
about the end of time, how
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liberty of conscience will
be threatened, how there will be
00:23:09.98\00:23:13.69
time of trouble or the
Christians will go through a
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crisis. It explains all of that.
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And as you read those latter
chapters you can probably wonder
00:23:16.79\00:23:19.73
how will I live?
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How will I survive
during that time period?
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Well, you can find the answer
right in the book because you
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can go back to the early
chapters with the historical
ones and say, Ah, these
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Christians lived during the time
when liberty of conscience was
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threatened.
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This is how they
lived and this is how...
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But not just what they did,
this is more importantly how God
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protected them.
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This is how God led them.
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This is how God
orchestrated their journey.
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So the first half is really
case studies of how God led his
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people during a time
when liberty of conscience was
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threatened. And then the later
chapters are describing the
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future scenario
of how will live.
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And so to me that's kind of how
the book Great Controversy comes
00:24:01.50\00:24:04.87
to the fore.
00:24:04.87\00:24:08.51
a snippet of the French
Revolution and French
Reformation which was
00:24:08.51\00:24:12.41
very significant to the segue
of where the unfolding of the
00:24:12.41\00:24:17.02
future things kind of laying the
groundwork for the liberty of
00:24:17.02\00:24:20.82
conscience that's threatened.
00:24:20.82\00:24:21.86
When you think about the French
Revolution, we've read about
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that and it's just a time where
there was a great attempt to get
00:24:25.09\00:24:29.86
rid of it and extinguish
God's Word, just burn it in the
00:24:29.86\00:24:34.00
streets. And we can see
that happening in society again
00:24:34.24\00:24:36.37
today. So certainly maybe not
as openly aggressive as that but
00:24:36.37\00:24:41.58
there's been a...
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A covert shift.
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Rather underlying
but obvious, we see.
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But now on the issue of liberty
of conscience threatened.
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We want to go to that video
now because for those of you in
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America and even in different
parts of the world you may be in
00:24:57.53\00:25:01.73
a society where we travel quite
a bit and some of the things we
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can say in America you
can't say around the world.
00:25:04.33\00:25:05.60
You can't say political things
around the world like you can in
00:25:05.97\00:25:08.67
America.
00:25:08.67\00:25:11.64
starting to get to the place
where you can't say things here
00:25:11.64\00:25:13.81
either. Because what you believe
and what you can say is being
00:25:14.28\00:25:17.51
challenged. And this is
what this video is about.
00:25:17.61\00:25:19.35
Liberty of conscience threat.
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Liberty of conscience is
something to be treasured for
00:25:38.13\00:25:41.77
the opposite is always tyranny.
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Any time in history within
a given nation or region that
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church and state have combined
forces it has always led to a
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decline in religious liberty and
the freedom for individuals to
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act according as their
conscience guides them.
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In this chapter we look at the
history of this subject from the
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Dark Ages through to the
Reformation and how even today
00:25:59.09\00:26:02.72
it's at threat and perhaps
more so than ever before.
00:26:02.72\00:26:05.49
At the heart of the great
controversy is the freedom to
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worship, to love him freely
and yet as time draws to a close
00:26:08.56\00:26:13.07
these rights will be
unceremoniously stripped away.
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The Constitution of the United
States guaranteed liberty of
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conscience and this is what made
the United States unique as a
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nation in that when it was
formed these principles were
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enshrined in the
founding documents.
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This was not something copied
from Western Europe or any other
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nation. Europe had in fact
during the Dark Ages and the
Reformation been under
00:26:41.76\00:26:45.63
the control of various religious
persuasions that did not hold
00:26:45.63\00:26:49.97
this as a cherished value.
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Roman Catholicism in the
Middle Ages did not like any
00:26:59.58\00:27:03.15
competition and ruled supreme in
most countries in Europe where
the state was under
00:27:03.15\00:27:07.99
the influence and
control of the church.
00:27:07.99\00:27:10.43
Those who opposed the dominant
belief were marginalized and
00:27:10.99\00:27:14.93
often persecuted in an
attempt to bring them into line.
00:27:14.93\00:27:18.20
Such a strategy
is not like Christ.
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He never forces anyone to
worship and only accepts worship
00:27:21.50\00:27:26.24
that is freely given.
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This caused a response
and in the 16th century Europe
00:27:34.25\00:27:39.22
underwent a time of
great upheaval and change.
00:27:39.22\00:27:41.59
Religious reformations in
England, Scotland, Switzerland,
00:27:42.06\00:27:45.76
France, Germany, Sweden and
Denmark changed the landscape of
00:27:46.03\00:27:50.00
those countries both in the
spiritual sphere and also in
00:27:50.00\00:27:54.14
civil life. Each of these
countries' reformations was
00:27:54.67\00:27:57.94
closely tied to political
independence and while most of
the change was good, some
00:27:57.94\00:28:02.38
things remained unchanged.
00:28:02.38\00:28:04.08
Even though these nations broke
away from the rule of the Holy
00:28:04.55\00:28:08.42
Roman Empire, each church was
often still influenced by the
00:28:08.42\00:28:12.95
state. Any time the church has
sought the long arm of the state
00:28:20.46\00:28:25.47
for support, the end result has
always seen religious
legislation enforced.
00:28:25.77\00:28:29.80
Most significantly this took
place in the early centuries
00:28:30.11\00:28:33.71
from the time of Constantine
onwards as Sunday legislation
00:28:33.71\00:28:38.31
was gradually enforced.
00:28:38.31\00:28:43.59
superstition and false claims
until it became widespread with
00:28:43.59\00:28:48.02
only small pockets of believers
such as the Wardensians in
00:28:48.02\00:28:51.96
Europe or the Abyssinians
in Ethiopia holding out.
00:28:51.96\00:28:54.56
The end result of both of these
groups is a sad and painful one.
00:28:54.83\00:28:59.03
Revelation 13 outlines two
beasts or two nations and we see
00:29:07.14\00:29:11.58
this fulfilled with the United
States of America and also with
00:29:11.58\00:29:15.98
papal Rome. Papal Rome, it was
prophesied, would receive a
deadly wound and go
00:29:16.48\00:29:19.82
into captivity around 1798 and
we see this fulfilled with the
00:29:19.82\00:29:24.33
capture of the pope and also
more importantly, the stripping
00:29:24.33\00:29:27.40
of Rome's civil power.
00:29:27.40\00:29:28.43
It was prophesied though that
the deadly wound would be healed
00:29:28.86\00:29:32.07
as Revelation 13 verse 3 says,
all the world would wander after
00:29:32.07\00:29:36.50
the beast. As the U.S.
00:29:36.97\00:29:41.54
significance, the Bible outlines
a time when she would unite with
00:29:41.54\00:29:45.81
Rome in forcing
religious practices.
00:29:45.81\00:29:48.02
Today we can see liberty of
conscience under threat, freedom
00:29:55.52\00:29:59.63
of speech and laws that protect
it have slowly been eroded away.
00:29:59.63\00:30:03.40
We see this coming from both the
overreach of government powers,
00:30:03.73\00:30:07.37
but also from the prevailing
culture in society whereby it
00:30:07.37\00:30:11.44
lends itself to group think and
cancel culture where anyone who
00:30:11.44\00:30:14.81
does not accept the view of
the majority can be cut off.
00:30:14.81\00:30:17.78
May we fight for the
preservation of liberty of
conscience even while
00:30:18.18\00:30:22.05
we're seeing it eroded away but
also remember that one day we'll
00:30:22.05\00:30:25.92
have to stand for what's
right whilst the whole world is
00:30:25.92\00:30:28.89
against us.
00:30:28.89\00:30:33.76
Wow!
00:30:40.07\00:30:40.64
That was good.
00:30:41.04\00:30:45.17
That is a significant topic.
00:30:45.44\00:30:47.61
When you, and I know you pray
over all the programs that you
00:30:47.81\00:30:53.15
tape, but just revisiting the
whole idea of liberty of
conscience threatened,
00:30:53.15\00:30:55.95
we see it all around the world.
00:30:55.95\00:30:57.15
It's a present issue.
00:30:57.49\00:30:58.55
I think the idea of other people
thinking different to you and
00:30:58.82\00:31:04.56
you being okay with that
increasingly in society, we're
00:31:04.56\00:31:07.13
not seeing that. I mean one
of the modern things is cancel
00:31:07.23\00:31:08.96
culture. I just, I'll cancel you
because you believe differently.
00:31:09.16\00:31:10.97
And this idea that we can't even
engage with people that disagree
00:31:11.43\00:31:14.47
with us anymore and it's going
to get worse and worse I think.
00:31:14.47\00:31:17.44
And we have to treasure
the principle, the biblical
00:31:17.64\00:31:22.54
principle of freedom of where
God gives us freedom and we give
00:31:22.54\00:31:26.58
freedom to other people as well.
00:31:26.58\00:31:27.62
Yeah, and there are certain
topics that are just becoming
00:31:28.02\00:31:30.22
almost, there were hot issues,
we used to call them hot issues
00:31:30.45\00:31:34.62
in the past, but now they're
like hot topics, there you go.
00:31:34.79\00:31:36.86
But now it's like don't
talk about that because you'll
00:31:37.09\00:31:40.53
instantly be ostracized
and maligned unjustly.
00:31:40.53\00:31:43.50
And politically correct.
00:31:43.50\00:31:44.07
Right, and the whole thing
about being politically correct.
00:31:44.67\00:31:47.30
You make a statement that's
scripturally correct but all of
00:31:47.77\00:31:50.07
a sudden it's not
politically correct.
00:31:50.07\00:31:51.17
It's like the cry
against you is amazing.
00:31:51.37\00:31:54.81
Time to a living in.
00:31:54.81\00:31:56.41
Now let's talk about the
Suki School in Australia.
00:31:56.98\00:32:01.15
Oh, I mentioned that story.
00:32:01.48\00:32:02.72
It did, he mentioned it.
00:32:02.72\00:32:02.75
That was the one about the...
00:32:03.79\00:32:05.32
Did I mention that?
00:32:05.32\00:32:05.82
Yeah, you did.
00:32:06.02\00:32:06.86
That was one of the
students who kissed.
00:32:06.86\00:32:07.82
Oh, that miracle.
00:32:08.12\00:32:09.32
That's right.
00:32:09.66\00:32:09.69
Last year we were at
a Christian festival.
00:32:10.93\00:32:14.76
It wasn't Adventist, it was just
a Christian evangelical music
00:32:15.36\00:32:19.20
festival actually, it's called
Big Church Day Out in England.
00:32:19.20\00:32:21.34
And so we thought let's go
there, and broaden our reach
00:32:21.47\00:32:26.44
outside of our
immediate community.
00:32:26.44\00:32:27.41
And we had some
interesting stories there.
00:32:27.74\00:32:29.38
Some of the people who came
up to the stand, one of them was
00:32:29.44\00:32:33.38
a... he was a former atheist who
became a Christian through his
00:32:33.38\00:32:41.39
self-study. He then was given a
book, Great Controversy by some
00:32:41.42\00:32:44.63
Adventists who were handing
it out on the street in the city
00:32:44.63\00:32:47.03
that he was in. He read The
Great Controversy, he was really
deeply impacted by it,
00:32:47.60\00:32:51.33
and he passed it on to one of
his friends, and then he decided
00:32:51.33\00:32:54.44
to go and study for the ministry
in the Church of England, to be
00:32:54.44\00:32:57.31
a Church of
England Reverend or Pastor.
00:32:57.31\00:32:59.57
And so then he was at this music
festival and then he sees our
00:33:00.28\00:33:04.58
stand, but he didn't know about
the book Great Controversy, but
00:33:04.58\00:33:06.65
he saw some of our T-shirts.
00:33:06.65\00:33:11.35
they nailed it
and things like that.
00:33:11.49\00:33:12.92
He came over because of the T
-shirts and then he saw the book
00:33:12.92\00:33:14.92
Great Controversy, he's
like, oh, I've read this book.
00:33:14.92\00:33:17.66
And then he started talking
with the team and they started
00:33:18.09\00:33:21.26
sharing about the Sabbath and
sharing with him about that and
00:33:21.26\00:33:25.50
he was studying for the ministry
and he said, oh, I'd love to
00:33:25.50\00:33:28.00
share this with my professors.
00:33:28.00\00:33:32.14
talk to them.
00:33:32.14\00:33:32.87
So it just enabled this
opportunity for witnessing with
00:33:33.44\00:33:36.38
them and sharing
with the professors.
00:33:36.38\00:33:37.28
Obviously they disagreed, but
they got a chance to share about
00:33:37.71\00:33:41.62
the Sabbath with them.
00:33:41.62\00:33:45.49
study and, you know, just those
doors open, opportunities for
00:33:45.49\00:33:49.66
conversations, for building
relationships and questions and
00:33:49.66\00:33:52.79
seeing where the
seeds may fall outside.
00:33:52.79\00:33:55.53
Amen, planting the
seeds, I like that.
00:33:55.56\00:33:57.63
There's another quick story that
we have where, you know, season
00:33:57.67\00:34:00.60
one was all about the
Reformation and we kind of
00:34:00.60\00:34:03.41
continued the Reformation
into Adventist history.
00:34:03.41\00:34:05.67
We had someone comment at the
end of our season two, which is
00:34:06.14\00:34:09.18
Adventist history, she commented
on the very last video and she
00:34:09.18\00:34:12.88
said, I actually started
watching you guys in season one
00:34:12.88\00:34:17.35
and I was not an Adventist,
I was just a Christian who was
00:34:17.35\00:34:19.82
seeking truth. She watched
through all of season one on the
Reformation and she was
00:34:20.22\00:34:23.59
like, well, I should
continue watching season two.
00:34:23.59\00:34:25.76
So she went through Adventist
history and she saw how
00:34:25.76\00:34:29.30
Adventist history
came after the Reformation.
00:34:29.30\00:34:30.90
It was like a continual journey.
00:34:31.00\00:34:32.27
She ended up finding a local
Adventist church and she ended
00:34:32.70\00:34:36.14
up getting baptized after
study and she wrote the whole
00:34:36.14\00:34:39.34
testimony in one of
our videos at the end.
00:34:39.34\00:34:40.58
And I thought that was powerful
that, you know, the reason their
00:34:40.58\00:34:43.24
structure is that, is that
people can go on this journey,
00:34:43.24\00:34:46.08
you know, every single week and
just, you know, build upon one
00:34:46.08\00:34:49.65
story from another story and
they're all connected and you
00:34:49.65\00:34:51.85
get to this point where you're
like, wow, this is the true
00:34:51.85\00:34:53.46
church. Amen.
00:34:53.72\00:34:54.19
That's beautiful.
00:34:54.92\00:34:55.89
This is a question that goes
with, okay, what we're talking
00:34:56.32\00:35:00.53
about. It says, this is
from Michelle in Tennessee.
00:35:00.70\00:35:03.10
What were both of your thoughts
when you filmed on Ascension
00:35:03.77\00:35:08.87
Rock? Also the filming of the
field where Hiram Edson received
00:35:09.74\00:35:15.54
the most holy place vision.
00:35:15.54\00:35:16.48
So they want to know, what
were your thoughts, both of you?
00:35:17.11\00:35:19.78
I let Adam go because I just had
a baby so I missed that trip.
00:35:20.32\00:35:22.92
You've been to Ascension Rock.
00:35:23.72\00:35:27.39
probably...
00:35:27.39\00:35:28.22
It's a special place.
00:35:28.22\00:35:29.12
I've been there
before that time.
00:35:29.36\00:35:30.66
It wasn't my first
time when I filmed there.
00:35:30.79\00:35:32.86
But yeah, it holds a special
place in Adventist history.
00:35:33.36\00:35:36.23
And you know, we're just,
what, a few days past the 180th
00:35:36.90\00:35:40.47
anniversary of it.
00:35:40.47\00:35:44.44
And you read the stories of
people weeping and crying for
00:35:44.51\00:35:49.11
days on end. But yet God
had a purpose in that pain.
00:35:49.48\00:35:52.55
And he had an
appointment with his people.
00:35:52.85\00:35:54.62
And so it was a
special place to film.
00:35:54.75\00:35:56.22
It's one of my favorite places.
00:35:56.42\00:35:57.82
It's isolated.
00:35:58.22\00:35:59.19
It's in the countryside.
00:35:59.29\00:36:00.42
And you can just imagine, you
try and imagine what it would
00:36:00.86\00:36:03.22
have been like to
have that great hope.
00:36:03.22\00:36:05.13
And then the disappointment.
00:36:07.73\00:36:08.93
But then the words of Revelation
10 verse 11 that says, Thou must
00:36:08.93\00:36:12.93
prophesy again.
00:36:12.93\00:36:13.84
And those words
echo to us today.
00:36:14.60\00:36:16.30
And really from when I stood
there, I'm thinking of those
00:36:16.64\00:36:21.04
words, Thou must prophesy again.
00:36:21.04\00:36:22.68
And that's kind of the added
impetus for us to keep doing
00:36:22.68\00:36:25.95
that today.
00:36:25.95\00:36:28.95
Tell the World.
00:36:29.18\00:36:29.72
Tell the World.
00:36:29.92\00:36:30.59
The Hopeful, yeah.
00:36:30.65\00:36:31.32
The Hopeful, that's called.
00:36:31.62\00:36:32.79
But yeah, this
was 180 years, right?
00:36:33.22\00:36:37.69
Yeah, just
yesterday or two days ago.
00:36:37.69\00:36:39.86
Two days ago.
00:36:39.96\00:36:44.60
And I'm walking
through Adventist history.
00:36:45.47\00:36:47.50
The formation, I did a worship
here at 3ABN on that just
00:36:47.87\00:36:52.21
Tuesday past. But it's
interesting when you could
follow your lineage.
00:36:52.61\00:36:55.61
When you could look at the path
of how God leads and how he has
00:36:55.98\00:37:01.45
led and how he
continues to lead.
00:37:01.45\00:37:02.65
It gives you confidence to say,
for example, if you're driving
00:37:02.95\00:37:07.26
from here to California and
you're looking at your map, you
00:37:07.26\00:37:10.66
say, well, I'm not sure that
where we're headed is that
direction, but based
00:37:11.29\00:37:14.73
on the map, we're
moving in the right place.
00:37:14.73\00:37:16.40
The footsteps of the pioneers,
the footsteps of our journey are
00:37:17.60\00:37:21.10
significant.
00:37:21.10\00:37:21.64
Here's another
question before we...
00:37:22.14\00:37:23.44
We're going to talk about A.I.
00:37:23.44\00:37:24.51
in just a moment
here because A.I.
00:37:24.64\00:37:25.94
is the
generation we're living in.
00:37:25.94\00:37:27.34
It says, when Constantine merged
Christianity with the Roman
00:37:27.44\00:37:30.68
Empire,
Catholicism became the Church.
00:37:31.51\00:37:32.78
Then, Protestants from that.
00:37:32.78\00:37:35.55
But were there any Christians
from first century Christians
00:37:36.15\00:37:41.19
that survived without
going through this path?
00:37:41.19\00:37:43.96
Good question.
00:37:45.26\00:37:46.16
I think where the
question is coming from...
00:37:46.26\00:37:48.13
Terry, thank you
for the question.
00:37:48.13\00:37:48.76
Thank you, Terry from Ohio.
00:37:48.80\00:37:50.00
When Constantine merged
with Christianity, Christianity
00:37:51.30\00:37:54.37
really became corrupted and
compromised and lots of
practices came in that
00:37:54.37\00:37:58.11
weren't biblical and
Christianity becomes watered
00:37:58.11\00:38:02.34
down. And the question
says, were there any true...
00:38:02.34\00:38:04.01
essentially were
there any true...
00:38:04.01\00:38:05.31
Were there any
Christians that survived?
00:38:05.31\00:38:06.75
Any Christians that survived.
00:38:06.88\00:38:07.92
I read that as were there any
like Christians that never got
00:38:08.38\00:38:11.29
sucked up into that compromise?
00:38:11.29\00:38:12.29
And I think, yes, there were.
00:38:12.69\00:38:13.86
Historically, there were.
00:38:13.92\00:38:14.86
And some of those groups that...
00:38:14.89\00:38:17.53
I mean, biblically, Ellen, I
mean the Bible talks about the
00:38:17.53\00:38:21.10
Church in the wilderness.
00:38:21.10\00:38:21.70
That's right.
00:38:21.80\00:38:26.63
It was literally in the
wilderness because they were
00:38:26.80\00:38:30.07
being persecuted a lot of time.
00:38:30.07\00:38:30.97
Some of those
groups are the Waldensians.
00:38:30.97\00:38:32.74
There was also the Celtic Church
in Scotland and Ireland and the
00:38:32.77\00:38:36.18
western part of England.
00:38:36.18\00:38:37.05
These were some pockets
of believers that were often
00:38:37.31\00:38:40.08
persecuted but still maintained
a pure biblical truth as they
00:38:40.08\00:38:45.05
knew and maintained that
in often isolation and in the
00:38:45.65\00:38:49.72
wilderness. And so if Terry's
not familiar or people aren't
familiar, check out
00:38:49.89\00:38:53.56
some of the lineage episodes
on the Waldensis, on the Celtic
00:38:53.56\00:38:57.00
Church. And those are some of
the groups that maintained the
00:38:57.37\00:39:00.54
faith during the Dark Ages when
Christianity had to become
corrupt and compromised.
00:39:00.54\00:39:05.77
And you know, the good thing
about that as a pastor, you read
00:39:06.07\00:39:08.21
Revelation 12 where it says,
the earth opened its mouth and
00:39:08.21\00:39:12.15
helped the woman.
00:39:12.15\00:39:12.98
When the serpent poured water
out of his mouth like a flood to
00:39:13.52\00:39:16.72
cause the woman to be washed
away by the flood, we understand
00:39:16.72\00:39:20.99
that was the persecution that
was pursuing the Church but the
00:39:20.99\00:39:24.13
earth opened its mouth and
helped the woman and swallowed
up the flood that was
00:39:24.13\00:39:27.23
being poured out after her.
00:39:27.23\00:39:31.90
her to this particular point.
00:39:31.90\00:39:33.60
Now, looking at the evolution of
technology, let's talk about AI
00:39:34.00\00:39:38.81
and we're going to
look at a snippet of that.
00:39:38.81\00:39:40.14
Artificial intelligence.
00:39:40.68\00:39:41.74
Yeah, so you know, probably
in November last year I got a
00:39:42.08\00:39:45.45
message from a professor that
I was a good friend with and he
00:39:45.45\00:39:50.39
sent me this message and he
said, have you seen this new
00:39:50.39\00:39:52.42
technology? And I was like, no,
I hadn't seen it and I watched a
00:39:53.05\00:39:56.09
demo and it was this guy
speaking English but then his
language changed and he was
00:39:56.09\00:39:59.79
speaking in a different language
and then it changed again and he
00:39:59.79\00:40:02.83
ended up speaking like nine
different languages in like the
00:40:02.83\00:40:05.50
space of 30 seconds.
00:40:05.50\00:40:06.80
So I started experimenting
with this stuff and I got some
00:40:06.80\00:40:10.47
snippets of Adam and I was just
doing 30 second videos and in
00:40:10.47\00:40:14.54
like 20 different languages and
I started sending it to people
00:40:14.54\00:40:17.38
all around the world like,
hey, does this sound accurate?
00:40:17.38\00:40:19.68
People would come back to me and
say, yeah, there's some slight
00:40:20.25\00:40:22.45
errors but it's 90% there,
95% there, which is pretty good.
00:40:22.45\00:40:27.46
Now, for our Advent
message, we can't deal with 95%.
00:40:27.46\00:40:30.53
We have to deal
with 100% accuracy.
00:40:30.53\00:40:32.33
So we started working with
translators who are helping us
00:40:33.06\00:40:37.20
and they're checking these
videos before we generate them
00:40:37.20\00:40:40.67
and basically turning Adam's
voice into a different language.
00:40:40.67\00:40:43.71
So we did some tests.
00:40:44.01\00:40:45.11
I created a whole video in
Portuguese and I put it on a
00:40:45.17\00:40:49.11
YouTube channel and we went
off filming in Europe in I think
00:40:49.11\00:40:52.95
April or May and I didn't check
the YouTube channel and I came
00:40:52.95\00:40:57.89
back and all of a sudden one of
our videos had 35,000 views in
00:40:57.89\00:41:02.32
Portuguese and it was actually
on the wall densies and I was
thinking, wow, there's a
00:41:02.32\00:41:06.29
real desire and need and hunger
around the world for this stuff
00:41:06.29\00:41:10.57
and we can use this technology
to start translating especially
00:41:10.57\00:41:14.00
the great controversy.
00:41:14.00\00:41:17.84
languages.
00:41:17.84\00:41:21.98
Russian, Ukrainian, Hindi,
Mandarin and the list goes on.
00:41:22.51\00:41:27.28
We're growing as we go.
00:41:27.48\00:41:28.88
As a matter of fact, I went to
your website and there's a tab
00:41:29.48\00:41:32.59
you click down and you
start choosing the different
00:41:32.59\00:41:34.46
languages. You can choose the
language and you can donate to
00:41:34.49\00:41:36.79
that specific language.
00:41:36.79\00:41:40.03
reach out to your fellow people,
you can support that particular
00:41:40.03\00:41:43.63
project.
00:41:43.63\00:41:44.10
It's very inexpensive compared
to the traditional way of doing
00:41:44.97\00:41:48.47
it. Compared to nowadays.
00:41:48.74\00:41:49.80
We can do an episode and about
one episode for about $100.
00:41:49.97\00:41:53.71
Well, if you take that episode,
rent out a studio, hire out
00:41:54.41\00:42:01.82
someone to record it, translate
it, the cost is exponential,
00:42:01.82\00:42:05.75
right? So we've been able to
do a much cheaper way and for a
00:42:05.92\00:42:09.49
very good quality and checked
by Adventists to know that it's
00:42:09.49\00:42:13.60
accurate is
what's really important.
00:42:13.60\00:42:14.46
Now go ahead, tell them
3ABN is doing that, aren't we?
00:42:14.93\00:42:17.27
Right, 3ABN is using AI on some
of the sermons and you can see
00:42:17.27\00:42:21.44
that in some of the camp
meetings you can see the same
person preaching in
00:42:21.44\00:42:24.74
different languages.
00:42:24.74\00:42:25.11
Even you.
00:42:25.31\00:42:25.71
Even I.
00:42:25.84\00:42:26.44
And we just did a series in New
York City with Pastor Bachelon,
00:42:27.44\00:42:30.18
amazing fact, but he had
17 simultaneous translations
00:42:30.25\00:42:34.58
through AI.
00:42:34.58\00:42:35.08
And that was, I mean, the Lord
is giving us a technology that
00:42:36.15\00:42:39.99
we can use to
advance the Gospel.
00:42:39.99\00:42:41.29
So when people say be careful
with AI, there's some positive
00:42:41.46\00:42:45.16
benefits to technology that
we are responsible for using.
00:42:45.16\00:42:47.50
And we should use.
00:42:47.50\00:42:48.20
We need to use that.
00:42:48.56\00:42:49.50
Now you have a snippet of that.
00:42:49.66\00:42:50.97
Let's look at
this 48-second clip.
00:42:50.97\00:42:52.53
Yeah, so we've got Adam speaking
in a number of different
00:42:52.63\00:42:55.47
languages, so yeah,
you can check it out.
00:42:55.47\00:42:56.71
3ABN is using some
groundbreaking translation
technology to get this
00:42:57.27\00:43:01.78
message.
00:43:01.78\00:43:02.04
Wow, wow, so not only is it in
a different language, but your
00:43:44.95\00:43:49.79
mouth is moving with it.
00:43:49.79\00:43:50.29
Yeah, it's the same.
00:43:50.29\00:43:56.46
and even some still, is that it
takes the, whatever, you know,
00:43:56.46\00:44:01.47
when you do scanning, your phone
or whatever, it takes and it
00:44:01.47\00:44:06.21
re-jigs your face
and it syncs the lips.
00:44:06.21\00:44:10.11
Not like the old
Chinese karate movies.
00:44:10.81\00:44:13.11
I know, speaking in
Chile, speaking in English.
00:44:15.35\00:44:20.36
Exactly, no,
it's really accurate.
00:44:21.02\00:44:22.76
It's come a long, long way.
00:44:23.09\00:44:24.43
In some of the languages, the
lip syncs better than others,
00:44:24.49\00:44:26.63
but generally it's pretty good.
00:44:26.63\00:44:27.76
So how many languages did
you go through here on this one?
00:44:28.10\00:44:30.77
In this video, I think we
went through five or six, maybe
00:44:30.77\00:44:33.67
seven, I don't
remember the top of my head.
00:44:33.67\00:44:39.51
that would hit,
say, the 1040 window.
00:44:39.51\00:44:41.68
So we could put the
episodes into Arabic.
00:44:42.01\00:44:44.81
We could put them into some
Tamil or Hindi, Mandarin, and we
00:44:45.55\00:44:50.92
could put it into some of those
languages and hit parts of the
00:44:50.92\00:44:53.66
world that we can't hit, and
also other languages that would
00:44:53.66\00:44:56.79
hit, you know, the Spanish
speaking world or French and so
00:44:56.79\00:44:58.99
on. So that's really our goal
with that, is to
evangelistically spread
00:44:58.99\00:45:03.03
it around the world.
00:45:03.03\00:45:03.53
It's in Spanish too.
00:45:03.57\00:45:04.77
And Spanish, yeah.
00:45:04.90\00:45:05.83
Into all the
world, oh, we're going.
00:45:06.77\00:45:08.67
Into all the world, and the
confidence is, and this Gospel
00:45:09.00\00:45:12.77
of the Kingdom will be
preached in all the world.
00:45:12.77\00:45:15.04
Now your website, we're
going to mention this again, is
00:45:15.51\00:45:17.71
LineageJourney.com, as it
sounds, Lineage Theater is on
00:45:17.71\00:45:21.78
the screen, LineageJourney.com.
00:45:21.88\00:45:23.22
You'll get a chance to visit
that website and save it, book
00:45:23.32\00:45:28.29
market, because it's going
to be a place where you'll see
00:45:28.69\00:45:31.59
resources that will just grab
you and guide you through the
Word of God in powerful
00:45:31.59\00:45:35.13
ways.
00:45:35.13\00:45:35.73
Those books are on there?
00:45:35.76\00:45:36.56
The books are on there,
T-shirts, and other resources.
00:45:36.93\00:45:39.07
And T-shirts too.
00:45:39.07\00:45:40.30
And on the website we have, I
mean, some people can go to the
00:45:40.47\00:45:43.20
YouTube channel as well,
with just the videos, but on the
00:45:43.20\00:45:45.27
website, in addition to
the videos and the resources,
00:45:45.27\00:45:48.18
there's a lot of articles
on there that we've written.
00:45:48.18\00:45:49.41
There's probably about 400
different articles on there.
00:45:49.58\00:45:51.78
So if you're at home as a mother
or a father with your child and
00:45:52.28\00:45:55.62
you're studying through
something, or maybe home school,
00:45:55.62\00:45:58.49
home education, if you're a
teacher and you're looking for
resources, there's a
00:45:58.55\00:46:01.26
lot of articles that mirror
every episode we've done in
00:46:01.26\00:46:04.73
addition to extra ones as well.
00:46:04.73\00:46:05.79
So there's a lot of written
materials there that can help
00:46:06.09\00:46:09.23
you personally learn or
help teach someone else as well.
00:46:09.23\00:46:11.60
And some people often say to
us, oh, can you make the videos
00:46:11.93\00:46:14.54
longer? Well, the whole point
for us is that we're trying to
00:46:14.94\00:46:18.37
grab your attention and give you
the most important information
00:46:18.37\00:46:21.71
to then go and
study for yourself.
00:46:21.71\00:46:25.25
We have book references, we
have photos, more archaeological
00:46:25.25\00:46:28.38
information to kind of get
someone who really wants to
00:46:28.38\00:46:32.25
study into more detail.
00:46:32.25\00:46:32.55
That's really, really good.
00:46:33.12\00:46:34.16
Now, two things I
want to accomplish.
00:46:34.39\00:46:35.59
Let's just show also the English
reformers in Portuguese is the
00:46:35.72\00:46:39.19
one in the 20s.
00:46:39.19\00:46:39.73
An example of the AI, yeah.
00:46:39.86\00:46:41.20
So this is an example of once we
put the episode together, what
00:46:41.33\00:46:46.27
it looks like in terms of
changing the graphics, changing
00:46:46.27\00:46:48.67
the language, changing
everything into that language.
00:46:48.90\00:46:50.21
Okay, let's look at that.
00:46:50.51\00:46:51.47
The British islands also went
through a great change in the
00:47:14.83\00:47:17.97
Switzerland and Scandinavia.
00:47:18.37\00:47:20.94
Several leaders that God used to
bring changes emerged, such as
00:47:24.64\00:47:28.04
William Tyndale, John Knox,
Thomas Cranmer, Hugh Lettimer
00:47:28.04\00:47:32.65
and Nicholas
Ridley, to name just a few.
00:47:32.65\00:47:34.85
Each one of them is unique
and has its own history, but a
00:47:35.62\00:47:39.59
common thread unites all.
00:47:39.59\00:47:40.72
Each one of them is
unique and has its own history,
00:47:41.49\00:47:42.06
but a common thread unites all.
00:48:02.34\00:48:14.59
Each one of them is unique
and has its own history, but a
00:48:14.59\00:48:15.06
common thread unites all.
00:48:15.06\00:48:16.16
Now, I know you're listening,
but if you look at the
00:48:21.73\00:48:25.77
intonations, look at the
inflections, the way your mouth
is moving, it's all...
00:48:26.10\00:48:30.34
Everything's synced.
00:48:30.54\00:48:31.27
It's pretty amazing.
00:48:31.44\00:48:32.07
Yeah.
00:48:32.21\00:48:32.61
It's pretty amazing technology.
00:48:32.91\00:48:33.21
Pretty amazing.
00:48:33.54\00:48:34.21
Who would've known this?
00:48:34.21\00:48:34.24
Two years ago,
you could do this.
00:48:35.04\00:48:35.94
Yeah.
00:48:35.94\00:48:36.21
I know.
00:48:36.21\00:48:41.48
might say, well,
what's your future plans?
00:48:41.48\00:48:43.08
You've got over 300 episodes.
00:48:43.45\00:48:45.15
Oh, yeah.
00:48:45.45\00:48:49.32
added to that, that's gonna
be quite a project, quite an
00:48:49.32\00:48:52.53
engagement.
00:48:52.53\00:48:52.89
That takes finances.
00:48:53.40\00:48:54.56
Talk about some of the future
projects, and then let our
00:48:55.03\00:48:57.63
audience know ways that they
could sponsor and how they could
00:48:57.63\00:49:01.00
participate financially.
00:49:01.00\00:49:01.84
I mean, one of the
future projects is the AI, is to
00:49:02.34\00:49:05.21
continue translating
that into various language.
00:49:05.21\00:49:07.14
We wanna start with great
controversy, and then go to some
00:49:07.44\00:49:10.45
of the other ones.
00:49:10.45\00:49:11.15
Another two projects we've
got in the immediate pipeline.
00:49:11.65\00:49:14.82
We have a series on 1888, the
time before it, 1888, and the
00:49:14.82\00:49:22.26
time after it.
00:49:22.26\00:49:25.56
That's gonna be coming out in
November, December, January, be
00:49:25.56\00:49:29.56
released then.
00:49:29.56\00:49:34.44
sure what the exact title's
gonna be, but essentially, it's
00:49:34.44\00:49:37.01
gonna be on women
in Christian history.
00:49:37.01\00:49:38.37
So we've already done the
Reformation, but we really
00:49:38.94\00:49:41.38
mainly covered
men and other events.
00:49:41.38\00:49:42.98
So we've kind of gone back over
a similar time period, and we're
00:49:42.98\00:49:45.85
covering some of the characters
in history that don't get as
00:49:45.85\00:49:49.55
much spotlight.
00:49:49.55\00:49:53.79
Arms, which was, she highlighted
eight women of the Reformation.
00:49:53.79\00:49:56.32
And so we kind of took that
book, and then we enlarged on
00:49:56.79\00:50:00.13
that. And it's gonna be a
30-part series, is the plan.
00:50:00.50\00:50:05.63
And we're sharing some
interesting stories, like
Katharina Von Bora,
00:50:06.20\00:50:08.87
who was Martin Luther's wife,
and Queen Katharina Empire,
00:50:08.97\00:50:13.61
which,
fascinating stories, yeah.
00:50:13.98\00:50:15.28
And she escaped from a
nunnery in a fish barrel.
00:50:15.31\00:50:18.51
And then she essentially
proposes to him, because she
00:50:19.28\00:50:22.65
can't be a single,
any fascinating story.
00:50:22.65\00:50:23.89
Don't spoil it, don't spoil it.
00:50:24.32\00:50:26.05
So that's gonna be our series
next year, Women in Christian
00:50:26.49\00:50:29.52
History, and
we'll have a podcast.
00:50:29.52\00:50:29.56
You've teased us
enough to look forward to it.
00:50:30.76\00:50:32.33
That's really, really good.
00:50:32.73\00:50:33.93
This isn't just the Reformation,
we're covering some as far back
00:50:34.10\00:50:37.93
as, I think the
early one-hundreds.
00:50:37.93\00:50:39.83
And we're going to a lady called
Perpetua in Tunisia, who really
00:50:40.14\00:50:42.94
stood up.
00:50:42.94\00:50:43.51
Another fascinating story.
00:50:43.57\00:50:44.61
So we've got a whole range
of different things that we're
00:50:44.81\00:50:47.64
covering.
00:50:47.64\00:50:47.88
I love this women.
00:50:48.28\00:50:49.61
Go ahead.
00:50:51.08\00:50:51.58
I know.
00:50:51.75\00:50:55.58
this into different languages.
00:50:55.58\00:50:56.62
That's gonna be phenomenal.
00:50:56.82\00:50:57.65
Now, let's talk about the way
that people that are watching
00:50:58.22\00:51:00.82
and listening to the program
can participate financially.
00:51:00.82\00:51:03.32
How?
00:51:03.39\00:51:04.06
And be as specific as you can.
00:51:04.06\00:51:05.59
What are the needs?
00:51:05.79\00:51:09.60
equipment evolves and things
that need to be taken, so I'll
00:51:09.60\00:51:13.87
just kind of throw
it out to you guys.
00:51:13.87\00:51:15.30
Or how they can participate in
some of the things that might be
00:51:16.91\00:51:19.64
good. I mean, the
Lord has really blessed us.
00:51:20.54\00:51:23.04
The Lord has impressed people to
give over the time period that
00:51:24.38\00:51:27.68
lineage has been going, and
for that we're really thankful.
00:51:27.68\00:51:29.88
We've been thankful for
the support of people that have
00:51:29.95\00:51:33.25
given to us. And the
Lord's impressed people.
00:51:34.39\00:51:35.59
Some people give
on a monthly basis.
00:51:35.59\00:51:36.89
They've gone to a website,
they've signed up, and they've
00:51:37.09\00:51:39.29
donated monthly, and
that's really been helpful.
00:51:39.29\00:51:40.90
It's on the website.
00:51:40.90\00:51:40.93
monthly basis, and that really
does help give us a little bit
00:51:45.80\00:51:47.84
of stability.
00:51:47.84\00:51:48.40
And then other people give,
you know, one-off donations.
00:51:48.97\00:51:51.01
They go to the website
lineagejourney.com slash give,
00:51:51.21\00:51:54.68
and people have donated out, you
know, the generosity of their
00:51:54.68\00:51:57.28
heart. Sometimes it's just
they've been impressed by it,
00:51:57.95\00:52:00.78
and they give, and other people
have given a specific project.
00:52:00.78\00:52:03.65
And it's really helped because
we, you know, Clive took the
00:52:03.65\00:52:07.39
step of faith, you know, he's
got four children and a wife,
00:52:07.39\00:52:10.89
and to go full -time, and really
had a burden and a passion to
00:52:10.89\00:52:15.03
design myself from three
-quarter time, and the rest of
the team are, you know, they're
00:52:15.03\00:52:17.80
volunteers, they help out, you
know, they take holidays to go
00:52:17.80\00:52:20.14
on the trip, on
the trips and so on.
00:52:20.14\00:52:21.84
And so we're really supported
by the generosity of those who
00:52:22.04\00:52:27.48
appreciate them and recognize
the importance of understanding
00:52:27.48\00:52:31.01
our identity and how that
connects to our purpose on our
00:52:31.01\00:52:34.05
mission today. So a lot of
people, you know, they give
through our website, whether
00:52:34.65\00:52:37.65
it goes to our equipment that we
need to update on regular times,
00:52:37.65\00:52:40.49
whether it goes to help us, you
know, kind of, you know, live
00:52:40.62\00:52:44.89
from day to day.
00:52:44.89\00:52:45.63
Which is necessary.
00:52:45.79\00:52:48.93
aren't cheap when you're flying
to the countries and you've got
00:52:48.93\00:52:51.73
the logistics of the flights
and the filming and so on.
00:52:51.73\00:52:54.87
Custom clearance.
00:52:55.14\00:52:55.94
All that kind of stuff.
00:52:56.71\00:52:57.51
So when people give
it, it goes a long way.
00:52:58.71\00:53:01.44
Even ensuring the
equipment that you have.
00:53:01.44\00:53:03.51
Right, exactly.
00:53:03.81\00:53:07.62
overnight.
00:53:07.62\00:53:08.08
Yeah.
00:53:08.08\00:53:08.32
Although that's something.
00:53:08.72\00:53:09.48
Now, generally, what would you
say is the average cost if you
00:53:11.05\00:53:14.72
would have put all those
factors together of one episode?
00:53:14.72\00:53:16.99
This is just something
that I don't know if you plan.
00:53:17.46\00:53:18.93
It's really hard to tell because
it depends on the location.
00:53:18.93\00:53:21.10
Right.
00:53:21.23\00:53:21.63
Yeah.
00:53:21.63\00:53:23.40
I mean, if we're doing Adventist
history, it's over here in the
00:53:23.50\00:53:25.90
U.S. It's cheap for me to get
there or cheaper for me to get
00:53:25.90\00:53:25.93
there than some other
people around the world.
00:53:28.57\00:53:30.27
But I can tell you the cost
to translate an episode is about
00:53:31.74\00:53:34.68
one hundred dollars
into a different language.
00:53:34.68\00:53:36.38
But I don't know.
00:53:37.08\00:53:39.15
It's really a difficult one.
00:53:39.28\00:53:40.42
If you put it together, say, a
15 part series, roughly, it's I
00:53:40.65\00:53:45.75
don't know.
00:53:45.75\00:53:45.92
It's good.
00:53:46.39\00:53:47.16
Be brave.
00:53:47.49\00:53:48.16
Be brave.
00:53:48.49\00:53:49.06
Yes.
00:53:49.29\00:53:52.06
60 or 70,000.
00:53:52.36\00:53:53.56
Sometimes more,
sometimes 100,000.
00:53:54.00\00:53:55.70
The logistics costs, the travel
costs, the equipment costs, the
00:53:55.70\00:54:00.20
editing costs.
00:54:00.20\00:54:01.00
That's right.
00:54:01.54\00:54:02.30
And the reality of
it is nothing is free.
00:54:02.60\00:54:05.14
Right.
00:54:05.17\00:54:05.47
And time is not free.
00:54:06.01\00:54:07.38
The end product.
00:54:07.94\00:54:12.31
but it doesn't
have the same effect.
00:54:12.31\00:54:14.08
No, you don't want to insult
producers like people that are
00:54:14.55\00:54:20.66
behind the camera.
00:54:20.66\00:54:21.42
They'll say an
iPhone does a good job.
00:54:21.56\00:54:23.53
If you're walking through
the airport, just quick things.
00:54:23.53\00:54:25.89
You want to give
the Lord your best.
00:54:25.96\00:54:27.00
You want to give
the Lord your best.
00:54:27.00\00:54:28.06
And so you are a 501C3.
00:54:28.23\00:54:30.57
We are.
00:54:30.60\00:54:34.40
Before that, we had, yeah.
00:54:34.70\00:54:35.47
And the website is
lineagejourney .com.
00:54:36.20\00:54:39.97
There are links there.
00:54:40.81\00:54:42.18
Yeah, there's the shop there,
there's the watch, there's the
00:54:42.58\00:54:45.31
read, and there's the give
section, there's the language
00:54:45.31\00:54:47.55
section as well.
00:54:47.55\00:54:49.18
And we can always
send in checks as well.
00:54:49.18\00:54:51.12
We have a postal address.
00:54:51.12\00:54:52.52
Oh, and checks too.
00:54:52.52\00:54:54.06
And that's on the website.
00:54:54.16\00:54:55.02
That's on the website.
00:54:55.09\00:54:55.99
And I think we have a
screen for that as well.
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Is there a phone number too?
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There's a phone number too.
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Okay.
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I don't know off by heart,
but it should be on the screen.
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There's your phone
number right there, 530.
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That's definitely
a California number.
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That might be your phone number.
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That might be
closely associated with you.
00:55:08.77\00:55:10.74
Yeah.
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listening to the program, what
would you say to motivate them
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to really participate
in lineage for the future?
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Your camera is right there.
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No, my camera is right there.
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You're coming as well, Clive.
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What would I say?
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Lineage...
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and lineage seeks to help people
understand who they are, their
00:55:33.50\00:55:36.90
mission, their purpose, their
identity and where they're going
00:55:36.90\00:55:39.90
through understanding
where they come from.
00:55:39.90\00:55:41.34
And we're just trying to help
create resources to translate
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the written material into a
video resource, into a medium
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that they can consume and watch
on a readily basis and just help
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guide people today as to
understand who they are, their
God-given purpose in
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this world and what God has
put them in this world to do and
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where to go.
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support in
helping us to do that.
00:56:08.90\00:56:10.43
Well, thank you, Adam Ramden,
the executive producer, and
00:56:10.87\00:56:15.34
Clive Coutet, which
is the media director.
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And we want to thank
your team, the entire team.
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Yeah, they would have loved to
have been here, all of them, but
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I know they're cheering you on.
00:56:23.41\00:56:24.18
We're scattered
around the world.
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And pray that the
Lord will impress you.
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This ministry is...
00:56:28.42\00:56:29.95
You can't put a
dollar amount to it.
00:56:29.95\00:56:31.49
And those of us who are here
at 3ABN know that you can't just
00:56:31.52\00:56:34.62
say, this is the amount.
00:56:34.79\00:56:38.69
lineage because when they will
look back and realize the reason
00:56:38.69\00:56:42.23
why I know Jesus better is
because of what I've learned
00:56:42.23\00:56:44.57
through this ministry.
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Well, thank you
for joining us tonight.
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We've enjoyed you being here.
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Until next time, may
God continue to bless you.
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