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00:02 I want to spend my life mending broken people.
00:14 I want to spend my life. 00:36 I want to spend my life mending broken people. 00:46 I want to spend my life. 01:06 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today Live. 01:09 It is Thursday night. 01:10 Here we are in 3ABN Studios in West Frankfurt, Illinois. 01:13 Thank you for taking the time to join us. 01:15 With me is my co-pilot. 01:17 We're going to be on a two-hour journey. 01:19 Thank you for joining me on this flight. 01:22 Oh boy, I'm excited to be here. 01:25 You're going to be blessed by this program. 01:28 It's one of my favorites, by the way, so we just give them a sneak 01:31 peek, huh? 01:32 That's right. 01:33 When Sabbath afternoon comes in our home, for those of you that don't 01:36 know what Sabbath is, Saturday afternoon, and this program comes 01:40 on, we pause because it's our favorite program, and we don't want 01:44 to hold you in suspense. 01:45 No. 01:50 The program Lineage, and if you've seen it before, you know and you've 01:54 been moved by just the vast knowledge, and we're going to talk 01:58 about that tonight in detail. 02:00 We have two guests here tonight, which we'll introduce in just a 02:04 moment, but I want to just first of all thank you for your prayers and 02:07 your financial support of 3ABN as we continue going and growing, 02:11 getting ready for the most exciting event, the soon return of Jesus. 02:17 When we became familiar with Lineage, I think it was first on 02:19 the app. 02:23 I saw it on 3ABN. 02:26 You did? 02:27 Yeah. 02:27 That's why I was introduced. 02:28 Well, once we found it, we could not un-find it. 02:31 Couldn't. 02:32 We were just gripped by it. 02:34 Let's not hold them in too much suspense, let's just go ahead and 02:37 introduce them. 02:39 Well, to my immediate left is Adam Ramden. 02:43 To my immediate right. 02:44 See, my arms are broken tonight. 02:47 Good to have you here, Adam. 02:49 Thank you for having us. 02:50 Good to be here. 02:51 Yes, and Clive Coutet right across from me. 02:55 Now what would we call him? 02:57 The voice of the Lineage, the image of Lineage. 03:02 Before we go any farther into the program, just kind of give our 03:06 viewers and listeners tonight a little bit about your background, 03:10 and we will go on to the questions about how it got started, but just 03:12 kind of nutshell, who you are, we know what you do, but kind of where 03:15 you're from. 03:20 there for about the first 20 years of my life. 03:22 I spent several years in America, then I moved back to the UK, and 03:26 was working for the church there as a pastor, and also as a evangelism 03:30 school director, and also when Lineage started, I was serving as 03:34 the youth director in the North England Conference at the time. 03:38 So that was my day job, so to speak, and Lineage came up as a 03:43 project within that context that I was doing there. 03:46 So that's my work background from England, yeah. 03:51 Wow, and he's from Nottingham. 03:53 From Nottingham. 03:59 so good to have you here. 04:00 It's good to be here. 04:01 The Brits are in the house tonight. 04:02 The Brits are here. 04:04 Right, and he's from England too, and kind of it started as a 04:06 ministry, really started, originated there in the UK, because 04:10 all the core members are from the UK. 04:15 I could say the UK is okay. 04:18 You spent a bit of time there, yeah. 04:19 Oh, we love it there in England. 04:21 You still have family in England. 04:23 I still have two uncles. 04:24 That's right. 04:27 Wow. 04:28 Two left. 04:28 And Clive Coutay. 04:30 Yes. 04:31 Thank you for having me. 04:34 listeners know your connection to Lineage. 04:37 So my connection to Lineage is I co -founded it with Adam. 04:40 My journey kind of into media. 04:44 I studied a film and video production degree at university and 04:47 was kind of really struggling what to do with that. 04:50 But the Lord really convicted me to start a media ministry and fast 04:53 forward a number of years. 04:55 Here we are. 04:56 He used to edit Premier League games. 04:58 Oh, really? 04:59 Like the soccer. 05:00 He was helping edit that. 05:05 degree. 05:06 And so, you know, the journey took me to this point. 05:10 Now you're the guy that people don't see, but you're the guy that 05:13 makes people want to see. 05:15 He's the guy that makes it look good. 05:16 Yeah. 05:17 Praise the Lord. 05:19 To be in that position, to edit a program, audio, video, just the 05:24 whole, the list goes on and on. 05:25 You might mention some of that during the program for those who 05:27 are techie people like I am. 05:29 And because it's a very gripping program, the theme music, the 05:36 moment it comes on, just sit down. 05:39 You just want to watch. 05:41 It's so good. 05:41 Thank you for being here tonight. 05:42 We're looking forward to a wonderful program. 05:44 And by the way, to those of you who are tuning in, we're going to have 05:47 questions this second hour. 05:49 We're going to have you text those questions in. 05:51 And let me see. 05:52 I have the phone number and time here. 05:53 Yes, if you text your questions in, if you have any questions for our 05:57 guest tonight, that's 618-228-3975. 06:02 That's once again, 618-228-3975, or email live at 3ABN.org. 06:11 Wow. 06:14 Oh, yeah, Sunday. 06:17 We're headed to Australia. 06:18 New Zealand first. 06:19 That's right. 06:23 Where are we going? 06:28 the Hamilton Central Seventh-day Adventist Church, Wednesday night, 06:32 October 30th. 06:33 Tim is going to be joining us a little later on, but it's going to 06:36 be Jill and Greg and you and I, and we're going to be there on the 30th 06:41 of October, and then the Bunbury Church in Western Australia. 06:45 We've been there before. 06:46 We love that church. 06:51 the west coast of Australia, and the next stop, they tell me, if you 06:54 go to the ocean, it's going to be South Africa. 06:56 South Africa. 06:57 So we're looking forward to that. 07:02 Church is on a Friday evening, then Sabbath School on November 2nd, 07:08 they're also at the Bunbury Church, then church service there, and an 07:13 afternoon concert, wow, with Tim and me and Rosemary and John, 07:17 that's going to be good. 07:19 And then, where are we going on November 3rd? 07:21 Adelaide, South Australia, that's Sunday, November 3rd. 07:25 Wow, we're going to be on the move. 07:27 Yeah, and then we're back to the Hamilton Church, New South Wales. 07:32 Newcastle. 07:32 Sorry, I can't... 07:35 The Hamilton Church, Newcastle, New South Wales, and we're looking 07:38 forward to a wonderful time. 07:40 And by the way, Hamilton SDA Church is not, they're the same names, but 07:45 different churches, and that's going to be on November 5th, on 07:49 Tuesday. 07:50 So if you're in the area, or if you would like to join us at any of 07:54 those locations, put that in your schedule now, starting, we're 07:58 leaving on Sunday, we get there on Tuesday. 08:00 It's going to be quite a bit of time. 08:02 And some of you that have watched the program before, you might 08:04 notice, well, Pastor John looked a little darker than you normally do. 08:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell them why. 08:07 You know, we were recently in Jamaica. 08:10 We were in St. Elizabeth in Jamaica, and tonight... 08:15 Parish of St. Elizabeth. 08:16 And you're also Jamaican. 08:18 Yeah, my family's from Jamaica, Clarendon and St. Anne, but we had 08:22 the privilege of ministering at the Bull Savannah Seventh-day Adventist 08:28 Church, last Sabbath, and you gave a concert, you spoke that morning, 08:34 even though you got a little sick, didn't you? 08:36 Yeah, but the Lord turned it around, and we have a little 08:38 picture to show you. 08:40 It was men's day there, and there's my wife and I, and a lot of the men 08:44 and the leadership of the church. 08:45 It was a full house, but thank you. 08:47 Oh, overflow. 08:48 It was an overflow. 08:49 Yes, they gave me a basket. 08:53 the ministry was wonderful. 08:54 Thank you so much for inviting us there. 08:56 Love, love, love my people. 08:58 That's right. 08:58 It's very special to me. 09:00 So, God bless you. 09:05 Okay, we have a lot to cover, don't we? 09:07 Yes, we've got a lot to cover, and, you know, once again, Adam, thank 09:10 you for coming, Clive, thank you for coming, and just kind of, you 09:13 know, since you are the voice, we're going to kind of throw the 09:15 questions out, either one of you or both of you could contribute to the 09:18 answers to the questions. 09:19 Tell us, you kind of gave us a hint about lineage beginning as a 09:23 project, but I want to kind of, when did it go from a project to a 09:27 life commitment? 09:31 Well, tell us, first of all, where did the idea come from? 09:33 Yeah, yeah. 09:35 He came with the idea. 09:36 Okay. 09:39 then I'll pick up as it comes to me. 09:42 I was reading The Great Controversy, and I was going 09:46 through the chapters, and I was trying to find really good 09:49 resources that would appeal to me and my age group as I read each 09:53 chapter. 09:57 then I'd go online, and I'd type some stuff about them, and I 10:00 thought, the video content that I'm seeing is either really long or 10:04 really dated, really old, and I thought, that's not going to impact 10:07 my generation, and then the idea came, well, do something about it, 10:11 you know, since I had a background in this, and I was living in London 10:14 at the time, in England, so do something about it. 10:17 So, I actually approached somebody, it wasn't Adam, maybe you can pick 10:20 up from here. 10:24 Yeah, he approached, whoever he approached, and then he came to me. 10:27 We were actually down in London at the British Museum. 10:30 Chad and Fadiya Cruz, I'm guessing you know them, they were in 10:34 England, they had been preaching at camp meeting, and after camp 10:36 meeting, as I was hosting the speakers, you know, let's go to 10:39 London, we'll show you out. 10:40 So, we went to London, Clive came with me as well, and we showed them 10:43 around the British Museum. 10:45 After we'd done this little tour, Clive came to me, and he said, 10:48 would you like to make some videos on the great controversy and on 10:52 church history? 10:54 And it so happens that the British Museum allows you to use a tripod 10:58 inside, so you know, we can shoot with a tripod inside the British 11:01 Museum, we could use some of the artifacts and make some videos that 11:04 match with the book Great Controversy. 11:07 And so the original idea was to shoot some videos in the British 11:10 Museum, and maybe John Wesley's house, just a few, a handful of 11:15 videos there in London. 11:16 It wasn't a series, it wasn't, you know, doing it for eight years, it 11:20 was just shooting five to ten, that was the idea, like around five or 11:25 ten videos at the most, shoot it there in London, there was no name 11:30 to this project, there was nothing, it was just, let's just shoot a few 11:32 videos here in London, it's our hometown. 11:35 And then, as we sat together, the idea came, well, you know, let's go 11:40 to Oxford as well, and let's go to Cambridge, let's go up to 11:43 Lutterworth, John Wycliffe's church, oh, let's go to Scotland as 11:46 well. 11:53 the, you know, the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. 11:56 And so then our creative juices start flowing, and we're like, 11:59 well, actually, it's actually quite cheap for us to fly to Europe, so, 12:04 the continent of Europe, so why don't we go to Germany as well, and 12:08 Switzerland, and cover some of those reformers? 12:11 And the ideas just kind of start flowing, and it became this idea, 12:15 well, let's just do a video every week for next year, and we'll just 12:20 kind of have this going. 12:21 At the time, as youth director and working with Clive, we were 12:24 releasing devotional videos on Fridays, like, you know, 12:28 prominently speak, we get devotional, we put them on Fridays, 12:30 and they were being well-received back then, we'd been doing that for 12:33 about two years, and we were also releasing sermon snippets of our 12:36 camp meeting sermons on Mondays, so then we thought, oh, we've got 12:39 Mondays, we've got Fridays, let's create another series and put it on 12:42 Wednesdays, so we'll just have regular content, so it was just 12:46 kind of an organic idea that formed of providing another media resource 12:51 to the young people in the conference, and let's do it 12:54 throughout the, you know, we'll cover, we'll go throughout the 12:56 year, and then the idea came to make it chronological, so we'll 13:00 just kind of build one week to the next, and that was how it formed in 13:04 2016, around August, September, so we started fine-tuning the idea, 13:09 and, you know, putting some subjects down together and I ran it 13:13 by a few, you know, historians and speakers, what do you think about 13:16 this? 13:18 And, and yeah, we, we didn't really have any money at the time, but we 13:20 had the vision. 13:21 Right. 13:25 Just the two of you. 13:26 Yeah. 13:26 It was just us. 13:26 Yeah. 13:28 just us. 13:29 It was just us. 13:32 Right. 13:33 It was just an idea. 13:36 that was it. 13:37 But then it just evolved over time. 13:39 And then our first trip, we were going up to Scotland, which was 13:42 kind of close to us. 13:46 Hey, do you want to come and help with the video and the photography? 13:50 His name is Ashley and he came and then we were in the back of the car 13:54 driving up there. 13:54 He designed the logo because he's a designer. 13:57 Right. 14:00 we need a website and it just grew so organically. 14:04 God just kind of put everything in place. 14:07 Yeah. 14:07 Wow. 14:08 The Lord was in it. 14:08 See how it pulled together? 14:10 I know, yeah. 14:10 So beautifully. 14:12 Yeah, and the name kind of, we had all these different names and we 14:18 were brainstorming different names and what to do. 14:21 And I was, as youth director, I had my team and I was running names by 14:25 them and I sometimes look back at the sheet of names that we came up 14:30 with. 14:30 Yes. 14:31 And I'm just like, wow, those have been terrible names. 14:36 I'm so glad we didn't go with whatever. 14:40 I was actually talking to a friend of mine, you may know him, Pastor 14:43 Justin Kimmies, at the review now. 14:45 I was brainstorming with him and he's actually the one that kind of, 14:48 what about lineage? 14:50 And I put that down on the list and it became one of, it eventually 14:53 became the name that we went with. 14:55 So it was just kind of going. 14:57 Even a week before we launched, we didn't even have our own platforms 15:01 like Facebook, platform, Instagram. 15:03 We were just going to do anything on the NEC youth social account as 15:07 I was youth director. 15:08 And then about a week before we sat there and we thought, well, you're 15:12 not going to be youth director forever and then, you know, you'll 15:16 hand the login details to the next guy and so on. 15:19 And we thought, oh, maybe we should put it on our own platform just in 15:22 case, you know, to give us access forever. 15:26 And then, well, OK, then we, you know, so we started that. 15:29 So, yeah, it was, it just kind of, it happened organically in a sense. 15:33 It wasn't, you know, sometimes these ideas, you think they come 15:35 around a strategic table and it wasn't like that. 15:39 It just kind of happened. 15:40 And the Lord was leading each step. 15:41 So, you know, it's the Lord. 15:43 And even to the point of the first episode that we launched, I was 15:47 editing that with my wife and a friend of mine, Ashley on the phone 15:51 on FaceTime. 15:52 And we were editing it till like three o'clock in the morning. 15:54 And just because we had this product that we'd filmed and we 15:57 didn't know what was going to come of it. 15:59 So we were kind of just bouncing off each other very organically. 16:01 And before you knew it, we had the first episode. 16:04 And I remember Ashley said to me, this has come out really good, but 16:09 how are you going to maintain this for so long? 16:12 But literally God has enabled us to do that. 16:15 So praise the Lord. 16:18 far? 16:22 Oh, close. 16:23 Yeah, close to that. 16:24 Now, if people only understood the man hours that it takes, let's just 16:29 kind of give us an overview of what it takes. 16:33 And I guess I know it also depends on where you're traveling to. 16:36 The travel time is one thing. 16:38 That's a financial responsibility. 16:41 And then getting to the location, depending on how far it is. 16:47 But we're going to kind of give one of the episodes there and kind of 16:53 get people that have not seen lineage before. 16:56 Let's just start with the Laodicea episode, kind of lead us into that. 16:59 Sure. 17:06 ancient city in modern day Turkey. 17:08 OK, it's mentioned in the Book of Revelation and it's one of the 17:11 seven churches that the Book of Revelation was originally sent to. 17:15 So there were seven cities, seven churches and John sent the letter 17:18 to those churches. 17:19 So in 2020, we filmed the series on the seven churches. 17:24 So we did an introductory one and then we did an episode in each of 17:28 the city. 17:29 So it was an eight part series. 17:29 You went to each of those cities? 17:30 Yeah, we went to Turkey and we filmed there. 17:32 That was during Covid. 17:33 It was, but it was later in the year when the restrictions had 17:37 lifted. 17:41 We filmed them. 17:42 Which was great because it was empty. 17:44 Oh yeah, no one was there. 17:46 Filming it was the best time. 17:47 There were no tourists, there were no coaches, there were no buses, we 17:51 just had the place to ourselves. 17:52 So the Laodicea episode was, that was probably our third or fourth 17:56 series that we'd released by the time we released the seven 17:59 churches. 18:03 churches. 18:04 They're messages that obviously they have a historic value, but 18:08 then have a personal application. 18:10 And when you actually travel to the city and you see the physical 18:12 features that you've either preached about or heard a preacher 18:15 preach about, you know, the lukewarmness and you hear these 18:20 descriptions of the church, which also describe our own spiritual 18:23 condition, it really makes revelation come alive. 18:27 Oh wow, you know, the hot springs are still flowing today and it 18:31 still flows out of Heriopolis. 18:33 You saw that? 18:36 It's amazing. 18:38 So the Laodicea one is, there's a historic value, but there's also 18:41 personal spiritual application in that series heavily as well. 18:44 Well, let's just dive in some of the work that Clive and Adam has 18:47 done. 19:09 Laodicea was located about 40 miles from Philadelphia and 100 miles 19:13 east of Ephesus, and it was founded by Antiochus II and named in honor 19:18 of his wife, Laodicea, who incidentally later poisoned him. 19:22 It was located on the Lycus River and was about eight miles from 19:26 Colossee to whom the Book of Colossians was written and was at 19:29 the crux of two major Roman roads. 19:32 It was an incredibly wealthy city. 19:34 It had a large banking center with large manufacturing interests. 19:43 When Laodicea was destroyed by an earthquake in AD 60, they refused 19:48 outside aid and rebuilt the city at their own expense. 19:52 Such self-sufficiency was rare and made the city famous. 19:56 They were also famous for a valuable wool found in the valleys 19:59 that was soft in texture and black in color, which meant that 20:03 Laodiceans almost exclusively wore black as evidence of their wealth. 20:08 There was also an important school of medicine located in the narrow 20:12 and connected to this school was an industry for the manufacture of a 20:16 special eye medicine, collirium, made from a famous Pyrogean stone. 20:25 Laodicea was a successful and well -ordered city with proud, arrogant 20:30 and self-satisfied inhabitants. 20:32 They were accustomed to leisure, pleasure and entertainment as 20:36 evidenced by the ruins of the amphitheaters which remain here to 20:40 this day. 20:41 Jesus begins his message to the church and gives them no 20:44 affirmation. 20:52 This analogy would have been familiar to them. 20:55 Hot water from the nearby springs here in Heriopolis was pumped down 20:59 to them by aqueducts and pipes. 21:02 Today you can see the remnants of these aqueducts and pipes with the 21:05 mineral deposit inside them. 21:07 By the time the water reached Laodicea, it was lukewarm, good for 21:11 nothing. 21:16 remain in this state, I will vomit you out. 21:24 There is nothing worse than a half -hearted Christian. 21:27 If you are spiritually hot, then you are on fire for God. 21:30 If you are cold, then there is at least the idea that whilst you are 21:34 not walking with God, you are aware that you are not. 21:37 But if you are lukewarm, you think you're doing good, but the reality 21:40 is far from it. 21:43 Laodicea's spiritual condition was such that they think they're rich, 21:46 increased with goods, and have need of nothing, but their level of self 21:51 -awareness is non-existent, and they don't know that they're 21:54 wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. 22:01 The counsel to Laodicea is interesting in that it either 22:04 included things they thought they already had or was the opposite of 22:08 what they had. 22:12 tried in the fire. 22:14 They had an eye clinic, and yet they were told to anoint their eyes 22:17 with eyesalve. 22:18 They prided themselves on their black clothes, and yet they were 22:21 told to get white raiment. 22:24 The gold tried in the fire is symbolic of faith in the furnace of 22:28 affliction. 22:33 represents the righteousness of Christ that we need to clothe 22:37 ourselves in. 22:42 The name Laodicea means a people judged, and we take the time period 22:46 for this church to be from 1844 to the second coming, during the time 22:50 period of the judgment, and it is directly relevant to us today. 22:55 The message to the Laodiceans ends with a beautiful appeal. 22:58 Jesus is standing and knocking at the door of our hearts. 23:02 He doesn't force his way in, though. 23:04 He, the person on the outside, is the one taking the initiative, 23:08 pressing the door, pleading for entrance. 23:10 Salvation is a personal matter, and we must open our hearts to him 23:15 personally. 23:20 come in and sup with him. 23:22 Not only will he sup with us, but the Bible says we can sit on his 23:25 throne with him. 23:27 Jesus longs for an intimate relationship with us. 23:30 If he is knocking at the door of your heart, then open the door and 23:34 let him come in. 24:03 Well, if this is your first time, consider yourself a part of 24:07 lineage. 24:11 on you could see these episodes again on 3ABN later on, or you 24:15 could go to 3ABN Plus and see it on demand. 24:19 The Bible comes alive, doesn't it? 24:21 The Bible comes alive. 24:22 The lukewarm, the hot water, you said? 24:25 Fascinating. 24:26 You see some of the things that are... 24:30 about five miles from Laodicea, and then the water would have flown 24:35 down the valley, and today there's still hot water flowing out there. 24:38 And then by the time it got down there, it was lukewarm. 24:40 You get the analogy. 24:42 Right, it's cooling off. 24:42 It's cooling off. 24:43 So the analogy matches perfectly with the Bible. 24:46 Perfect. 24:48 Spew you out of my mouth, the Bible says. 24:50 Don't want to be lukewarm. 24:53 Well, so Clive, as a person who... 24:56 Based on what you do, I dabble, okay. 24:59 But I'm understanding some of the context of the technical part of 25:02 it. 25:06 project. 25:11 That includes Photoshop, After Effects. 25:13 It typically takes us around two days. 25:16 Well, used to when we first started, takes about two days to 25:18 edit each episode. 25:19 Each five-minute video takes about two days. 25:21 But over time, we've refined the process. 25:23 We've made it quicker and faster because we've done it so many 25:26 times. 25:29 About a day. 25:30 Yeah. 25:31 That's good. 25:31 For five minutes, so... 25:33 But see, so... 25:35 I'm glad you mentioned that because my wife sometimes says, it's only 25:37 five minutes long. 25:37 What's taking you so long? 25:39 He needs time. 25:40 He needs time. 25:42 You put something together and went to the... 25:43 Where were we? 25:46 Indonesia. 25:46 Right. 25:49 She said, it's taking you so long. 25:50 I said, honey, this is seven minutes. 25:52 You should probably spend some time with my wife. 25:54 We can just edit together. 25:55 Yeah. 25:56 Yeah. 25:58 Now... 25:59 What partnership have you had with other organizations, and how has it 26:03 benefited you both? 26:05 Okay. 26:08 they have been a real blessing. 26:10 One of the more recent ones, we did do a partnership in the last two 26:15 years with an organization called Streams of Light. 26:19 Oh, yes. 26:20 You're familiar with their organization. 26:22 Their mission is quite singular. 26:24 In some ways, it's to get the book break controversy into as many 26:28 homes as possible. 26:30 And so they approached us, and they do mass distribution projects of 26:34 great controversies around America and other parts of the world. 26:37 And they had QR codes in their books, but the QR codes took, at 26:41 the time, a couple of years ago, would take the viewer to maybe a 26:44 sermon or something like that, but they wanted something that was a 26:48 little bit more shorter. 26:49 Some of their QR codes came to the early lineage episodes that we did 26:53 in season one, but then we only really covered maybe the first 17 26:59 chapters of the book, Great Controversy, we didn't go beyond. 27:02 So they came to us and said, would you like to redo them, but this 27:05 time, intentionally do every single chapter of the book, Great 27:08 Controversy. 27:09 And so we had the opportunity to work with them. 27:13 And that was a fun project. 27:15 So we reshot some of the early episodes that Kalei wasn't happy 27:21 with because of the editing, or I wasn't happy with because of the 27:23 early scripting, so we kind of reshot some of those early ones. 27:26 I will say that was our hardest series to do. 27:30 We just felt like everything was always going wrong. 27:33 It's just like when she wrote the book. 27:34 You're right, you know, right before we were about to film, Adam 27:36 broke his arm, he fell over, broke his arm, so we had to postpone the 27:39 filming. 27:40 No, we didn't. 27:41 Oh, no, yeah, we didn't. 27:42 We didn't. 27:45 And then Kalei was like, oh, it doesn't matter, we can still film. 27:48 So we did the whole two weeks of filming with this broken arm, and 27:51 it's painful if you've broken a hand. 27:53 And then when it came to edit, he's like, yeah, we can't use this. 27:56 It doesn't look good. 27:57 It didn't look right. 27:59 You know, you got an eternal message, and you wanted to present 28:01 it in the right way. 28:02 I can't have an episode on heaven with a broken arm. 28:04 Yeah, so we just said, you know, let's just redo it. 28:07 It's gonna take us a bit more time, but then we're gonna come out with 28:10 a product that is done well and can last eternity. 28:13 That's right. 28:15 And that's not just that, though. 28:19 we've never had, and it just felt more oppressive, so to speak, or 28:23 more under... 28:24 Great controversy. 28:25 With the great controversy. 28:26 Yeah, the controversy over the great controversy. 28:28 It was. 28:29 So that was one of the partnerships we did. 28:30 We also did a partnership with, somewhat partnership with ASI. 28:34 They asked us to do a video. 28:35 We saw you at ASI. 28:36 On the history of ASI, so we did that one with them, and that was a 28:40 fun project to work on as well, and just telling... 28:41 What do you mean, the history of ASI? 28:42 So we started with the early origins of ASI with Madison 28:46 College, and then kind of followed the journey through the children of 28:49 Madison, and then the various ministries that have started since 28:52 then, and then what ASI is today in terms of how it helps to enable and 28:57 empower ministries and also people to share Christ in the marketplace. 29:01 We shared some of those stories and testimonies in a project that we 29:04 did with them, so that was another kind of... 29:05 So you're part of ASI, aren't you? 29:07 Yeah. 29:08 Amen, wonderful. 29:09 You know, what's nice about the work that you're doing and the 29:11 quality of it gives it longevity, and I like that you mentioned 29:14 earlier, the generation, your generation, and young people, I 29:20 mean, the media world we're living in, the competition is great. 29:25 When you look at anything on, whether it's YouTube or Instagram 29:28 or TikTok or wherever you're getting that media from, 29:31 immediately in the first five or 10 seconds, if you don't have that 29:34 person's attention, it's like, well, it's kind of religious, I 29:36 don't wanna watch it. 29:37 That's why I like lineage. 29:39 It grabs you right away. 29:40 Instantly. 29:42 And not that it's a bad thing, but you don't dress up for it, it just 29:45 gives it a contemporary feel. 29:47 I like that. 29:51 maybe he is smart. 29:53 You know, this is a different generation. 29:56 and shared about lineage and people have come up to me afterwards and 29:59 they're like, yeah, you look like him. 30:04 It's like, yeah. 30:05 You're in a town in a suit. 30:06 You want me to put the hat on and... 30:07 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 30:08 You want me to take off my tie and put the hat on? 30:10 You sound like him. 30:11 But just to say, what exactly you said, that was intentional. 30:13 You know, we wanted it to be fast -paced. 30:15 We knew when we first started, we spoke about having one to three 30:19 seconds to grab someone's attention. 30:21 That's why it's intentional with the way it starts so rapidly, 30:24 because you really want to grab that person's attention and get 30:26 them to watch the whole video. 30:27 And while they're scrolling, they just see the first clips and are 30:30 interested in watching it. 30:31 And this was, what, eight years ago that we started this. 30:34 Now that attention span's dropped more, you know? 30:37 So we've had to kind of adapt and do some even shorter content, one 30:40 minute long and 30 seconds long. 30:42 Do you have those? 30:43 Do you have... 30:46 Yeah, very short videos. 30:48 Do you have a lot of viewers? 30:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do, yeah. 30:51 Wow. 30:51 That's amazing. 30:53 So in addition to the video projects, what other resources does 30:57 Lineage have? 30:59 Talk about some of those resources. 31:01 So just talking about the great controversy. 31:06 When we built the videos, we thought, well, if someone is seeing 31:10 this video for the first time, they may want to know more information, 31:13 like some of the historical facts. 31:15 So actually, if you go to our website and we have a whole study 31:18 section where you can actually go through the great controversy, 31:21 historical data, see book resources, watch the videos, watch 31:25 related videos, read the chapter on the website, if you want to as 31:28 well. 31:33 book, Great Controversy. 31:35 Remember, we were showing this at church, the lineage between Sabbath 31:38 school and church. 31:40 Right, we were showing that at our church. 31:42 Okay. 31:47 Sabbath school study time. 31:49 Really, really good, I always heard it. 31:50 And then finally, they put a television backstage so I could see 31:53 it. 31:54 Everybody else was seeing it. 31:56 I really, really enjoyed that. 31:58 So the... 31:58 Go on. 31:59 Yeah, go ahead. 32:02 Are you gonna talk about some of those? 32:03 Yeah, we've got some books, original stuff that we've... 32:06 As Clive mentioned, the guy who designed our logo, actually, he's 32:11 a... 32:12 What would you say he is? 32:13 He's an illustrator. 32:14 Illustrator. 32:14 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 32:15 So he does... 32:20 come up with this amazing drawing. 32:21 Wow. 32:22 Just, you know... 32:23 How many in your team? 32:24 In the team, good question. 32:25 There's about... 32:27 No, there is, there's 10 of us. 32:28 There's 10 of us in the team. 32:30 And it's really been that way since 2017, really. 32:33 Yes. 32:39 too. 32:41 About eight of the people is people that we know. 32:43 Two of the people... 32:47 Contacted us out of the blue. 32:48 One of them contacted us out of the blue. 32:49 The other one I knew, but contacted me out of the blue. 32:51 So it kind of just kind of came together. 32:54 The people in England were people that we just asked to come on a 32:57 filming trip. 32:58 And back then, we've got no money. 33:00 Yes. 33:01 We're broke. 33:03 I can promise to give you a bed and travel and... 33:08 Time's not even that, though. 33:10 No. 33:11 No, just one of our... 33:12 And feed you. 33:12 And feed you. 33:18 limited on budget that we needed an extra driver. 33:21 So I called Anton and I said, hey, Anton, can you do a shift with us? 33:25 Because he's a driver. 33:27 We were driving through the night up to Scotland, up to a little 33:31 island called Iona. 33:32 So I said, hey, can you come along? 33:34 It'll be myself, Anton, my wife, and Adam. 33:37 So Anton was like, okay, I'll come. 33:39 And I knew that Iona was windy. 33:41 So I was like, hey, it's gonna be windy. 33:42 Can you just bring your boom mic as well? 33:44 Just to help out if you can. 33:45 And he was like, yeah, sure. 33:46 So he comes, he does the sounds, loves the project. 33:49 And then he's just, he's in. 33:51 He just organically just joined the team like that. 33:53 It wasn't like there was no finances put down. 33:56 It wasn't a contract. 33:57 It was just like very organic. 33:59 And I can tell you a story about every single one in the team who 34:02 kind of started that way. 34:03 And everyone joined, not for pay, or no one said, oh, how much am I 34:06 getting? 34:10 project. 34:12 And that's kind of special because even though the ministry has grown 34:15 a little bit since then, and the Lord blessed us in some ways, the 34:20 core team is all people that join just out of a passion and a burden 34:23 to join. 34:24 And so anyway, so that's most of the guys on the team. 34:27 And then a few of them joined. 34:29 Is it all a guy team? 34:30 No, no, no, no. 34:32 So our writer who writes our website content and the books that 34:36 I mentioned in just a minute, she's from Australia, her name's Suki. 34:40 And then my wife's on the team. 34:42 Clive's wife's on the team as well. 34:43 Aiko and Charlene are both on the team. 34:45 So you travel together? 34:46 When we can. 34:47 Not always. 34:48 Sometimes it's just me and Clive. 34:49 Sometimes it's three of us. 34:50 Sometimes it's five of us. 34:51 Sometimes it's more. 34:52 It just kind of varies on who's available. 34:54 And how long we're going for as well. 34:56 How long we're going for and what we need to do when we get there. 34:58 How many countries have you been to? 35:00 That's a good question. 35:01 I've never counted. 35:02 Never counted? 35:04 Never counted. 35:07 If a viewer can tell us that, we can give them a free gift. 35:11 Now, is there a headquarters? 35:14 That's, we're very... 35:15 My bedroom. 35:17 There's no physical headquarters because I'm based in England. 35:20 He lives in California. 35:22 Jasper, who's one of our videographers, lives in the 35:24 Philippines. 35:25 Suki is our writer, lives in Australia. 35:27 So we're kind of... 35:27 This is totally contemporary. 35:29 This is what you call... 35:31 We have a Slack channel. 35:32 We have a channel on Slack and we do our projects on there, 35:36 communicate on there and we meet once a month virtually. 35:39 But we've never had the whole team in one place at the same time. 35:43 I'll say to our audience, welcome to the modern order of things. 35:47 That's really how the world is nowadays. 35:49 It is. 35:54 And that quick response. 35:56 But now as far as editing, are you the chief editor or you have other 35:59 people editing with you? 36:04 of our behind the scenes videos. 36:05 Eden is the guy who does that for us and he travels with us 36:08 sometimes. 36:09 And again, he had another organic story of how he joined. 36:12 But most of the episode editing that you'll see would be myself. 36:16 And I would say myself and my wife, because my wife, she fixes my 36:20 mistakes. 36:21 Well, she edits also. 36:22 We do that. 36:23 Women do that, right? 36:25 No, seriously, because sometimes you're looking at something so long 36:29 that it just kind of blends in. 36:30 And my wife says, you're missing a letter on that word. 36:34 Yeah, exactly. 36:35 Y-O-U, you forgot R. 36:37 Yeah, my biggest Achilles heel is I leave the R out on the word, your. 36:41 But she finds that she's very, very good at that. 36:44 But now let's talk about another one because we just looked at Leo 36:46 to see. 36:50 Oh, you went there? 36:52 Yeah, I mean. 36:53 I always want to go there. 36:54 So in terms of the chronology of lineage, our first series was on 36:59 the Reformation. 36:59 That was season one. 37:00 Yes. 37:01 We did that in 2017. 37:02 And that kind of started in the early church. 37:04 It went all the way through to John Wesley, the birth of missions and 37:10 so on. 37:14 need to do Adventism, which comes after that and early religion in 37:19 America. 37:23 We did the birth and the rise of Adventism in America and its 37:27 expansion around the world. 37:28 So that took us up to Ellen White and so on. 37:32 Then for our third season, we went back in time. 37:37 And this is kind of where I say, if we'd done it strategically, we 37:39 would have done that one probably first, but the Lord just, His 37:43 plans. 37:48 Conflict of the Ages. 37:49 Wow. 37:55 early Old Testament, then Prophets and Kings, Lateral Testament. 37:58 And we call them different. 37:59 So we called Patriarchs and Prophets, we call that from 38:02 creation to Kings, Pentecost, I mean, Prophets and Kings, we call 38:06 from Kings to... 38:08 Captivity. 38:08 Kings to Captivity. 38:10 Desire of Ages, we call from Manger to Messiah. 38:13 And then Acts of the Apostles, we call from Pentecost to Patmos. 38:17 Oh, I love the titles. 38:19 So Patmos was our final episode in that series that covered the 38:23 history of the Bible. 38:27 It was more telling the story of the Bible on location. 38:34 And so just summarizing, I mean, where there was irrefutable 38:37 archaeological evidence that I can point to, we'd reference it, but it 38:41 wasn't primarily aiming to be that. 38:44 It was more telling the story, the narrative of the great controversy 38:47 through Scripture from Genesis all the way through to Revelation or 38:51 Patmos. 38:56 But you know, one of the things that, and I believe somebody in our 38:59 audience might identify with this, I know we identify with that, we 39:03 can't wait to see where you're next in every episode. 39:06 I know. 39:06 Where are they now? 39:07 Where are they now? 39:08 And that's kind of like the drawing factors. 39:10 We love that. 39:11 Wow, we heard about that. 39:12 Look, it actually does exist. 39:14 And so that's just... 39:15 To us, that's one of the major things in that, I don't know, I'm 39:20 saying this in a studio, but we're not shooting what we're shooting in 39:23 a studio. 39:27 One of the draws, I think, is that we are on location. 39:30 And so for a lot of people, we recognize they can't go there. 39:32 A lot of people aren't able to go, or haven't the opportunity to go to 39:36 Patmos. 39:37 So by seeing the video and seeing it, it's a real place and what it 39:42 would have looked like when John was there. 39:45 So, you know, Patmos was special for me to go there and just kind 39:47 of, we were there on the Sabbath as well. 39:49 Oh, how special. 39:51 Sometimes you can read the Bible and you don't remember or realize 39:55 that these places exist even till today. 39:58 So just bringing that to life and showing the young people, like it's 40:02 not a book full of fables. 40:04 You know, Laodicea exists, Jerusalem exists, all of these 40:07 different locations in the Bible, they're there today. 40:09 And it was special for me to go to these places and document them. 40:15 But just bringing that to life is really what attracted us to it. 40:17 Oh, the Waldensees, you did that too, didn't you? 40:21 I love that. 40:22 So give us the lead into what we're gonna see on John on Patmos. 40:25 Yeah, so the Patmos one is the episode, it's the conclusive 40:28 episode, the final episode in that series. 40:31 And we're telling the story of John as he would have written the book 40:33 of Revelation, as he was isolated there on that rocky island of 40:37 Patmos. 40:38 Okay. 40:39 Well, let's look at this. 40:41 John on Patmos. 40:42 Let's listen. 41:05 John had a special place in Jesus' heart, for Scripture notes that he 41:10 was the disciple whom Jesus loved. 41:13 John shared experiences with Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane and on 41:17 the Mount of Transfiguration. 41:19 And he was the disciple whom Jesus entrusted the care of his mother to 41:23 when he was on the cross. 41:25 John had defects of character that earned him the nickname, the Son of 41:30 Thunder. 41:35 coarse and rough edges. 41:37 John was ambitious for power, vengeful, critical, and impetuous, 41:42 yet he had great potential and would go on to be the longest 41:46 living disciple. 41:55 The book of Acts mentions that John was present during Pentecost, but 41:59 after that he barely gets a mention in Scripture. 42:02 Whilst the other disciples were literally travelling the then-known 42:05 world, Thomas was preaching the Gospel in India. 42:09 Peter was in Rome. 42:10 John has several decades of his life where there is very little 42:14 written. 42:15 He was looking after Jesus' mother. 42:18 It would not have been easy to stay at home, so to speak, but John 42:22 needed his own version of a wilderness experience. 42:33 We are told that Peter was crucified upside down. 42:36 Thomas was pierced with a spear. 42:39 Luke was hung from an olive tree, and Bartholomew, Simon, Philip, and 42:43 Jude were beheaded. 42:45 But John was the only apostle to die of natural causes. 42:49 This was, however, due to miraculous power of God, as 42:52 Tertullian, writing in AD 200, said, At Rome the apostle John, 42:56 having been immersed in hot oil, suffered no harm at all. 43:00 This attempt to boil him alive did not work and is alleged to have 43:04 happened behind me. 43:08 before being banished to Patmos. 43:18 This rocky island was chosen by the Roman government as a place of 43:22 banishment for criminals, and here, away from the busyness of life, 43:26 John received visions from heaven that outlined the closing scenes of 43:30 this earth's history. 43:33 Here, amidst the rocks and cliffs, John held communion with God as he 43:37 was able to meditate on the Book of Nature and marvel at God's 43:41 goodness. 43:47 thought by some to be past useful service, an old man. 43:51 But it was here that he received more communication from heaven than 43:54 he had during all his former years. 43:57 The Book of Revelation The Book of Revelation is written in signs and 44:06 symbols and needs to be decoded in order to be fully understood. 44:11 The purpose of this is twofold. 44:13 Firstly, to protect and preserve it from the ruling power in John's 44:17 day, and secondly, to ensure that those who wish to understand it 44:21 actually study and dig deep. 44:24 Revelation contains many messages that have relevance for our time 44:28 today, and it has helped, and continues to help, the church to 44:32 understand where it comes from and where it's going. 44:36 If you have not yet read the Book of Revelation, I urge you to start, 44:40 for it begins with a blessing to all those who read and understand 44:44 it. 44:52 Here on the Isle of Patmos, John finally had time to write, and it 44:56 is here where he wrote the Gospel of John and also the Book of 45:00 Revelation. 45:05 himself and the Christian church in ages to follow. 45:08 It is traditionally believed that he received his visions in the Cave 45:12 of the Apocalypse, but we really don't know where he received his 45:15 visions. 45:19 barren place but also a beautiful place and a place where John was 45:23 able to commune with God. 45:33 Here on the Isle of Patmos, John experienced trials and obstacles, 45:37 but these could not shake his faith. 45:40 He had developed a deep and a pure love for God, and urged in his 45:44 writing, "'Beloved, let us love God,' and reiterated the point that 45:48 we ought not love in word, but in deed. 45:51 John lived a long and faithful life, and at the end of his life he 45:55 came to realize that the most important thing is to love God and 46:00 love one another. 46:04 another, as I have loved you.' And later on he said, "'Beloved, let us 46:09 love one another, for love is of God.' May we be faithful to God and 46:15 serve him amidst the trials and adverse circumstances that come our 46:18 way, and may we reflect on and live out the words of John to love one 46:24 another.'" Well, the reason I like Revelation is because it says, I, 46:44 John, saw. 46:47 But no, it's a beautiful book, and the sad reality is many in the 46:51 Christian world think it is a book that's still closed, but as we've 46:55 seen by illustration, we know it's not a closed book. 46:58 Its very name means Revelation, to reveal. 47:03 How touching is this for you because you're bringing us into 47:06 this vicariously, but what is it doing to you while you're there? 47:10 I know. 47:11 To me it was special, 47:15 some sites are more special than others to visit, and to me, Patmos 47:18 was one of the most special because it's the place where John wrote the 47:21 book of Revelation, and it's the place where you read, I was in the 47:24 Spirit on the Lord today. 47:26 Oh, yeah. 47:29 There is technically, I mean, there is traditionally a cave where they 47:33 say he had it, but I'm like, how do they know he had the cave? 47:36 They built a monastery on top of it. 47:37 Right, declaimed it. 47:39 I like to imagine he was on a rocky edge somewhere, thank you, me too. 47:43 On a beach maybe somewhere, and he goes into vision, and so we 47:47 actually went there on a Friday and we left on the Sunday, so 47:49 sandwiched in the middle, we had Sabbath there, and it was just 47:52 special to just meditate, read the book of Revelation, have some quiet 47:59 time, you know, go on a hike there and just be like, this is the place 48:04 where Revelation was written, and it's the place where God met with 48:08 him. 48:09 Yes. 48:14 them, they say traditionally this happened, whereas you can't move 48:18 the island, you know that that is the island of Patmos, it did happen 48:22 there, and so it does, it does make an impact on you when you go to 48:27 places I think that you know are authentic, and you know for sure 48:31 something of importance happened there. 48:33 As you mentioned, I feel like I'm there with you on that journey, and 48:37 I'm sure many of you feel that same way, like you're there, come, come 48:41 with me, and it's just beautiful. 48:42 It was great to be able to share that with other people. 48:46 That people see. 48:47 That's wonderful, and we want to remind our audience about. 48:50 Oh, yeah, if you want to write in, or if you want to text, if you want 48:55 to text us, you can text us at 618 -228-3975 if you have a question 49:00 for these two wonderful gentlemen, or you can send an email live at 49:06 3ABN.org. 49:08 So, send some questions in. 49:11 You know, when I look at the evolution, the growth, the 49:16 expansion of this project, at what point did you realize how large the 49:21 project is, and how did it metamorphosize from, you know, 49:24 let's do that to where it is today. 49:29 Some of that, to a certain degree, happened when we released the first 49:35 episode. 49:36 Because for me, I'm like, I'm recording a video on history, and I 49:42 had no idea how Clive was going to edit it. 49:45 No idea. 49:47 He's not showing me, oh, this is, I just spoke to video, I assume he's 49:50 just going to have the video of me talking to the camera, and that's 49:53 it. 49:56 boom, boom, boom, you know, as it is with the drone shots. 50:00 Oh, yeah, yeah. 50:01 This, this, this is pretty good. 50:06 But then when we released it, when I first kind of got an idea was 50:11 when the algorithm was different then, when on Facebook, it just got 50:15 like, it just got share after share after share after share after 50:19 share. 50:22 just like, oh, wow. 50:24 There's something to this. 50:26 Like, maybe this is scratching an itch that we didn't know was as 50:29 itchy as we thought it was. 50:31 And I think it did, it wasn't just the graphics or the visuals, but I 50:37 think the idea, and this really is what inspired the idea of lineage 50:41 and has metamorphosed to a certain degree, the idea of understanding 50:46 our identity through our history. 50:48 Right. 50:49 And I think this is something very important. 50:51 The world is going through an identity crisis. 50:54 Young people are going through an identity crisis. 50:56 I mean, the causes of that we can debate on and there's many factors 50:59 as to why there's such an identity crisis, particularly amongst 51:03 teenagers and young adults. 51:06 But understanding where we come from and what our heritage and what 51:09 our background and history is, is one of the ways to help us 51:13 understand what our identity is today. 51:15 And I think without knowing it at the time, lineage helped with that. 51:19 It's like, oh, that's where we come from. 51:21 So that's part of who I am today. 51:23 And it really, and so, back to your question as to where do we know it 51:27 would kind of grow. 51:28 Oh, yeah. 51:34 as we have ideas, you know, creatives getting ideas and as the 51:38 Lord provided a little bit of resources to do it like, well, as 51:41 He provides resources and as we have ideas, let's just, let's keep 51:44 going. 51:45 And so, you know, we kept going, there's ideas and there's a little 51:48 bit of, you know, resources to keep going. 51:50 And so, we've just kind of carried that on as we have ideas. 51:56 And so, we started as a project, but now we've moved into the 52:00 ministry phase. 52:01 Yeah, that kind of happened. 52:02 So, we were a project in 2017. 52:05 We became a ministry towards the end of 18, 20, around 2019. 52:12 And that's when we kind of said, become our own entity. 52:16 Now, you did the whole book of great controversy. 52:20 We did do that, yeah, every chapter. 52:23 Now, some people haven't even read the whole book and you did a video 52:26 series. 52:28 Some people have said that to us. 52:30 They've said, I've always tried to read this, but, you know, I've read 52:34 the destruction of Jerusalem, chapter one, like 20 times, but 52:37 never can get past that. 52:38 But watching the videos, they were able to get through the whole book 52:41 just by summarizing it up in a video. 52:44 How long each episode? 52:47 Five minutes? 52:48 Most five or six minutes. 52:50 A few of the chapters of great controversy, a few of them were 52:52 longer than our typical, some of them went to seven or eight 52:54 minutes, but normally it's five or six minutes, generally speaking, 52:59 and that's kind of been the sweet spot that we've kind of settled on. 53:02 How long does it take to do five or six minutes? 53:05 A day now. 53:06 About a day, about a day, yeah. 53:08 It's interesting you say that because the great controversy 53:10 sometimes was a little bit more challenging because especially the 53:14 first part of the book, you have actual locations, you have, you 53:19 know, the French Reformation. 53:21 Well, we're going to do that in France, we're going to do that in 53:22 Paris. 53:24 The later chapters, you know, the second coming or, you know, some of 53:28 the later ones, where do you do those? 53:29 So we had to be a little bit creative as to where we shot some 53:33 of those things to kind of bring them to life. 53:35 So we did Heaven in Hawaii. 53:37 Oh! 53:39 That's a good place to do Heaven. 53:40 We did Hell in Hawaii too. 53:41 Yeah. 53:42 You did Hell too? 53:42 The Volcanoes. 53:43 Oh, the Volcanoes, yes. 53:45 You did Hell too. 53:47 Interesting. 53:48 Right, because you have the Volcanoes. 53:50 You have the Volcanoes, right. 53:51 We're able to hit two birds with one stone. 53:54 Heaven and Hell. 53:56 People that have gone to Hawaii probably said that's true. 53:59 You could have Heaven and Hell in Hawaii. 54:01 But the reality of it is, the community of people that are 54:05 watching Lineage are being affected in a positive way. 54:08 It's kind of like, wow. 54:10 And for us, honestly, our weeks are so busy when Saturday afternoon 54:15 comes at home. 54:16 And even if we're maybe finishing lunch at home or whatever, the time 54:21 it comes on is just perfect. 54:22 It really pulls us into it. 54:24 It's going to be wonderful. 54:26 And we've walked past each other at ASI. 54:28 You're busy at ASI, I'm busy at ASI. 54:31 But those who are watching the program, and I could imagine that 54:34 you probably have stories that you can tell that when you rewind the 54:39 videotape, no pun intended, we don't do videotapes any longer, but 54:42 when you rewind your journeys, you've seen miracles along the way. 54:48 Can you think of one of those miracles? 54:50 You might want to share this side of the program before we go to our 54:52 second half. 55:00 in England, we call it the boot. 55:02 But over here, you call it the trunk. 55:05 So we put the stuff in the back, and the car was sealed up. 55:08 We had cameras, drone, laptops, all in the back. 55:13 And we went off to film. 55:14 We went to the Vatican to film, and we were out for most of the 55:18 afternoon. 55:19 By the time we came back, it was dark. 55:21 And we walked up towards the car, and the window had been smashed in. 55:24 Oh no. 55:26 And we're thinking, oh no. 55:27 And then we saw that the seat had been put down, so whoever has gone 55:31 in has gone and taken all our stuff in the back. 55:33 Then we turned the corner and looked in, the window smashed, the 55:37 seat is down, and all our stuff is in plain sight for everybody to 55:41 see. 55:46 laptop, all on full view. 55:48 So even if the thieves... 55:49 Once the seat was down. 55:49 Once the seat was down. 55:50 Right. 55:56 walking down the street had plain sight view of all of our stuff, and 56:00 nothing got taken. 56:01 Angels blocked it. 56:02 Angels blocked it. 56:03 The value of what was in that trunk is inestimable. 56:07 Yeah, well, you can put a value on... 56:09 On equipment. 56:13 And how do you get that back? 56:14 You have to go do all that again. 56:16 But everything was there, nothing was missing. 56:18 I could only imagine your heart rate went up and went down. 56:25 It's like, you lean on the car and think, thank you, Lord. 56:30 That is a miracle, honestly, because the enemy would do whatever 56:32 he can to stop such a project, but the Lord was showing you that the 56:36 Lord is with you on the front lines and is really, really with you. 56:39 Now, we want to tease a little bit to the second hour because just to 56:42 remind our viewers again, you can text us at 618-228-3975, that is, 56:47 if you have a question or comment, or you can send a question by email 56:51 live at 3ABN.tv. 56:54 And in the second hour, we're going to have some more videos about the 56:56 French Reformation Liberty of Conscience Threatened, which is a 57:00 very big issue today, a snippet on AI Translation Episode because 57:05 we're living in a day and age where... 57:06 Yeah, it's fascinating how we're using AI to translate into 57:10 different languages. 57:11 So, you know, I'm speaking of the languages, but I'm not speaking 57:14 them. 57:18 places as well. 57:22 Portuguese, and we're going to talk about that the second hour, and AI 57:25 is phenomenal, but you know, you've just gotten a chance to peek into 57:29 the lineage window. 57:31 If you are a follower, then you know, but if you're not, I think 57:33 you're going to become one. 57:34 And we have a second hour where there's a lot more to cover, a lot 57:36 more questions, a lot more miracle stories. 57:39 It's going to be good as it has been, so don't go away. 57:42 We are going to be right back in just a few moments. |
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