I want to spend my
life mending broken people.
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I want to spend my life.
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I want to spend my
life mending broken people.
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I want to spend my life.
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Hello and welcome
to 3ABN Today Live.
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It is Thursday night.
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Here we are in 3ABN Studios
in West Frankfurt, Illinois.
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Thank you for
taking the time to join us.
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With me is my co-pilot.
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We're going to be
on a two-hour journey.
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Thank you for
joining me on this flight.
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Oh boy, I'm excited to be here.
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You're going to be
blessed by this program.
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It's one of my favorites, by
the way, so we just give them a
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sneak peek, huh?
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That's right.
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When Sabbath afternoon comes in
our home, for those of you that
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don't know what Sabbath is,
Saturday afternoon, and this
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program comes on, we pause
because it's our favorite
program, and we don't want
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to hold you in suspense.
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No.
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The program Lineage, and if
you've seen it before, you know
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and you've been moved by just
the vast knowledge, and we're
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going to talk about
that tonight in detail.
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We have two guests here tonight,
which we'll introduce in just a
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moment, but I want to just
first of all thank you for your
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prayers and your financial
support of 3ABN as we continue
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going and growing, getting ready
for the most exciting event, the
soon return of Jesus.
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When we became familiar with
Lineage, I think it was first on
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the app.
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I saw it on 3ABN.
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You did?
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Yeah.
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That's why I was introduced.
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Well, once we found it,
we could not un-find it.
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Couldn't.
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We were just gripped by it.
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Let's not hold them in too much
suspense, let's just go ahead
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and introduce them.
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Well, to my
immediate left is Adam Ramden.
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To my immediate right.
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See, my arms are broken tonight.
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Good to have you here, Adam.
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Thank you for having us.
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Good to be here.
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Yes, and Clive
Coutet right across from me.
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Now what would we call him?
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The voice of the
Lineage, the image of Lineage.
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Before we go any farther into
the program, just kind of give
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our viewers and listeners
tonight a little bit about your
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background, and we will go on to
the questions about how it got
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started, but just kind of
nutshell, who you are, we know
what you do, but kind of where
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you're from.
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there for about the
first 20 years of my life.
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I spent several years in
America, then I moved back to
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the UK, and was working for the
church there as a pastor, and
also as a evangelism
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school director, and also when
Lineage started, I was serving
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as the youth director in the
North England Conference at the
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time. So that was my day job, so
to speak, and Lineage came up as
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a project within that
context that I was doing there.
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So that's my work
background from England, yeah.
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Wow, and he's from Nottingham.
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From Nottingham.
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so good to have you here.
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It's good to be here.
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The Brits are in
the house tonight.
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The Brits are here.
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Right, and he's from England
too, and kind of it started as a
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ministry, really started,
originated there in the UK,
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because all the core
members are from the UK.
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I could say the UK is okay.
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You spent a bit
of time there, yeah.
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Oh, we love it there in England.
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You still have
family in England.
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I still have two uncles.
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That's right.
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Wow.
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Two left.
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And Clive Coutay.
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Yes.
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Thank you for having me.
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listeners know your
connection to Lineage.
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So my connection to Lineage
is I co -founded it with Adam.
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My journey kind of into media.
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I studied a film and video
production degree at university
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and was kind of really
struggling what to do with that.
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But the Lord really convicted
me to start a media ministry and
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fast forward a number of years.
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Here we are.
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He used to edit
Premier League games.
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Oh, really?
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Like the soccer.
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He was helping edit that.
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degree.
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And so, you know, the
journey took me to this point.
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Now you're the guy that people
don't see, but you're the guy
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that makes people want to see.
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He's the guy that
makes it look good.
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Yeah.
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Praise the Lord.
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To be in that position, to edit
a program, audio, video, just
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the whole, the
list goes on and on.
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You might mention some of that
during the program for those who
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are techie people like I am.
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And because it's a very gripping
program, the theme music, the
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moment it comes
on, just sit down.
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You just want to watch.
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It's so good.
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Thank you for
being here tonight.
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We're looking forward
to a wonderful program.
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And by the way, to those of you
who are tuning in, we're going
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to have
questions this second hour.
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We're going to have you
text those questions in.
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And let me see.
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I have the phone
number and time here.
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Yes, if you text your questions
in, if you have any questions
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for our guest
tonight, that's 618-228-3975.
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That's once again, 618-228-3975,
or email live at 3ABN.org.
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Wow.
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Oh, yeah, Sunday.
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We're headed to Australia.
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New Zealand first.
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That's right.
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Where are we going?
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the Hamilton Central Seventh-day
Adventist Church, Wednesday
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night, October 30th.
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Tim is going to be joining us a
little later on, but it's going
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to be Jill and Greg and you and
I, and we're going to be there
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on the 30th of October, and then
the Bunbury Church in Western
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Australia. We've
been there before.
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We love that church.
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the west coast of Australia, and
the next stop, they tell me, if
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you go to the ocean,
it's going to be South Africa.
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South Africa.
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So we're
looking forward to that.
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Church is on a Friday evening,
then Sabbath School on November
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2nd, they're also at the Bunbury
Church, then church service
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there, and an afternoon concert,
wow, with Tim and me and
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Rosemary and John,
that's going to be good.
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And then, where are
we going on November 3rd?
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Adelaide, South Australia,
that's Sunday, November 3rd.
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Wow, we're going
to be on the move.
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Yeah, and then we're back to
the Hamilton Church, New South
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Wales. Newcastle.
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Sorry, I can't...
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The Hamilton Church, Newcastle,
New South Wales, and we're
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looking forward
to a wonderful time.
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And by the way, Hamilton SDA
Church is not, they're the same
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names, but different churches,
and that's going to be on
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November 5th, on Tuesday.
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So if you're in the area, or if
you would like to join us at any
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of those locations, put that
in your schedule now, starting,
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we're leaving on
Sunday, we get there on Tuesday.
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It's going to be
quite a bit of time.
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And some of you that have
watched the program before, you
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might notice, well, Pastor John
looked a little darker than you
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normally do. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, tell them why.
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You know, we were
recently in Jamaica.
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We were in St. Elizabeth
in Jamaica, and tonight...
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Parish of St. Elizabeth.
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And you're also Jamaican.
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Yeah, my family's from Jamaica,
Clarendon and St. Anne, but we
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had the privilege of ministering
at the Bull Savannah Seventh-day
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Adventist Church, last Sabbath,
and you gave a concert, you
spoke that morning,
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even though you got a
little sick, didn't you?
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Yeah, but the Lord turned
it around, and we have a little
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picture to show you.
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It was men's day there, and
there's my wife and I, and a lot
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of the men and the
leadership of the church.
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It was a full
house, but thank you.
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Oh, overflow.
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It was an overflow.
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Yes, they gave me a basket.
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the ministry was wonderful.
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Thank you so much
for inviting us there.
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Love, love, love my people.
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That's right.
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It's very special to me.
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So, God bless you.
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Okay, we have a
lot to cover, don't we?
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Yes, we've got a lot to cover,
and, you know, once again, Adam,
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thank you for coming, Clive,
thank you for coming, and just
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kind of, you know, since you are
the voice, we're going to kind
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of throw the questions out,
either one of you or both of you
could contribute to the
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answers to the questions.
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Tell us, you kind of gave us a
hint about lineage beginning as
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a project, but I want to
kind of, when did it go from a
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project to a life commitment?
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Well, tell us, first of all,
where did the idea come from?
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Yeah, yeah.
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He came with the idea.
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Okay.
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then I'll pick up
as it comes to me.
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I was reading The Great
Controversy, and I was going
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through the chapters, and I
was trying to find really good
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resources that would appeal
to me and my age group as I read
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each chapter.
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then I'd go online, and I'd type
some stuff about them, and I
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thought, the video content that
I'm seeing is either really long
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or really dated, really old, and
I thought, that's not going to
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impact my generation, and then
the idea came, well, do
something about it,
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you know, since I had a
background in this, and I was
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living in London at the time, in
England, so do something about
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it. So, I actually approached
somebody, it wasn't Adam, maybe
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you can pick up from here.
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Yeah, he approached, whoever he
approached, and then he came to
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me. We were actually down in
London at the British Museum.
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Chad and Fadiya Cruz, I'm
guessing you know them, they
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were in England, they had been
preaching at camp meeting, and
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after camp meeting, as I was
hosting the speakers, you know,
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let's go to
London, we'll show you out.
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So, we went to London, Clive
came with me as well, and we
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showed them around
the British Museum.
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After we'd done this little
tour, Clive came to me, and he
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said, would you like to
make some videos on the great
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controversy and
on church history?
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And it so happens that the
British Museum allows you to use
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a tripod inside, so you know, we
can shoot with a tripod inside
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the British Museum, we could use
some of the artifacts and make
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some videos that match
with the book Great Controversy.
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And so the original idea was to
shoot some videos in the British
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Museum, and maybe John Wesley's
house, just a few, a handful of
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videos there in London.
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It wasn't a series, it wasn't,
you know, doing it for eight
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years, it was just shooting five
to ten, that was the idea, like
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around five or ten videos at the
most, shoot it there in London,
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there was no name to this
project, there was nothing, it
was just, let's just shoot a few
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videos here in
London, it's our hometown.
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And then, as we sat together,
the idea came, well, you know,
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let's go to Oxford as well, and
let's go to Cambridge, let's go
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up to Lutterworth, John
Wycliffe's church, oh, let's go
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to Scotland as well.
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the, you know, the 500th
anniversary of the Reformation.
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And so then our creative juices
start flowing, and we're like,
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well, actually, it's actually
quite cheap for us to fly to
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Europe, so, the continent of
Europe, so why don't we go to
Germany as well, and
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Switzerland, and cover
some of those reformers?
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And the ideas just kind of start
flowing, and it became this
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idea, well, let's just do a
video every week for next year,
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and we'll just
kind of have this going.
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At the time, as youth director
and working with Clive, we were
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releasing devotional videos
on Fridays, like, you know,
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prominently speak, we get
devotional, we put them on
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Fridays, and they were being
well-received back then, we'd
been doing that for
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about two years, and we were
also releasing sermon snippets
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of our camp meeting sermons on
Mondays, so then we thought, oh,
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we've got Mondays, we've got
Fridays, let's create another
series and put it on
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Wednesdays, so we'll just have
regular content, so it was just
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kind of an organic idea
that formed of providing another
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media resource to the young
people in the conference, and
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let's do it throughout the,
you know, we'll cover, we'll go
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throughout the year, and then
the idea came to make it
chronological, so we'll
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just kind of build one week
to the next, and that was how it
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formed in 2016, around August,
September, so we started
fine-tuning the idea,
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and, you know, putting some
subjects down together and I ran
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it by a few, you know,
historians and speakers, what do
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you think about this?
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And, and yeah, we, we didn't
really have any money at the
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time, but we had the vision.
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Right.
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Just the two of you.
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Yeah.
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It was just us.
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Yeah.
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just us.
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It was just us.
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Right.
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It was just an idea.
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that was it.
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But then it just
evolved over time.
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And then our first trip, we were
going up to Scotland, which was
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kind of close to us.
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Hey, do you want to come
and help with the video and the
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photography? His name is Ashley
and he came and then we were in
the back of the car
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driving up there.
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He designed the logo
because he's a designer.
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Right.
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we need a website and it
just grew so organically.
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God just kind of
put everything in place.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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The Lord was in it.
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See how it pulled together?
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I know, yeah.
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So beautifully.
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Yeah, and the name kind of,
we had all these different names
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and we were brainstorming
different names and what to do.
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And I was, as youth director,
I had my team and I was running
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names by them and I sometimes
look back at the sheet of names
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that we came up with.
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Yes.
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And I'm just like, wow,
those have been terrible names.
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I'm so glad we
didn't go with whatever.
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I was actually talking to a
friend of mine, you may know
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him, Pastor Justin
Kimmies, at the review now.
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I was brainstorming with him and
he's actually the one that kind
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of, what about lineage?
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And I put that down on the
list and it became one of, it
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eventually became the
name that we went with.
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So it was just kind of going.
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Even a week before we launched,
we didn't even have our own
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platforms like
Facebook, platform, Instagram.
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We were just going to do
anything on the NEC youth social
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account as I was youth director.
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And then about a week before we
sat there and we thought, well,
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you're not going to be youth
director forever and then, you
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know, you'll hand the login
details to the next guy and so
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on. And we thought, oh, maybe
we should put it on our own
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platform just in case, you
know, to give us access forever.
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And then, well, OK, then we,
you know, so we started that.
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So, yeah, it was, it just kind
of, it happened organically in a
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sense. It wasn't, you know,
sometimes these ideas, you think
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they come around a strategic
table and it wasn't like that.
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It just kind of happened.
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And the Lord was
leading each step.
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So, you know, it's the Lord.
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And even to the point of the
first episode that we launched,
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I was editing that with my wife
and a friend of mine, Ashley on
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the phone on FaceTime.
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And we were editing it till like
three o'clock in the morning.
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And just because we had this
product that we'd filmed and we
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didn't know what
was going to come of it.
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So we were kind of just bouncing
off each other very organically.
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And before you knew it,
we had the first episode.
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And I remember Ashley said
to me, this has come out really
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good, but how are you going
to maintain this for so long?
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But literally God has
enabled us to do that.
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So praise the Lord.
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far?
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Oh, close.
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Yeah, close to that.
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Now, if people only understood
the man hours that it takes,
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let's just kind of give us
an overview of what it takes.
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And I guess I know it
also depends on where you're
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traveling to. The
travel time is one thing.
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That's a
financial responsibility.
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And then getting to the
location, depending on how far
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it is. But we're going to
kind of give one of the episodes
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there and kind of get people
that have not seen lineage
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before. Let's just start with
the Laodicea episode, kind of
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lead us into that. Sure.
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ancient city in
modern day Turkey.
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OK, it's mentioned in the Book
of Revelation and it's one of
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the seven churches that the Book
of Revelation was originally
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sent to. So there were seven
cities, seven churches and John
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sent the letter
to those churches.
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So in 2020, we filmed the
series on the seven churches.
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So we did an introductory one
and then we did an episode in
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each of the city.
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So it was an eight part series.
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You went to
each of those cities?
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Yeah, we went to
Turkey and we filmed there.
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That was during Covid.
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It was, but it was later in the
year when the restrictions had
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lifted.
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We filmed them.
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Which was great
because it was empty.
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Oh yeah, no one was there.
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Filming it was the best time.
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There were no tourists, there
were no coaches, there were no
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buses, we just had
the place to ourselves.
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So the Laodicea episode was,
that was probably our third or
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fourth series that we'd released
by the time we released the
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seven churches.
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churches.
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They're messages that obviously
they have a historic value, but
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then have a
personal application.
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And when you actually travel
to the city and you see the
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physical features that you've
either preached about or heard a
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preacher preach about, you know,
the lukewarmness and you hear
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these descriptions of the
church, which also describe our
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own spiritual condition, it
really makes revelation come
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alive. Oh wow, you know, the hot
springs are still flowing today
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and it still
flows out of Heriopolis.
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You saw that?
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It's amazing.
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So the Laodicea one is, there's
a historic value, but there's
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also personal spiritual
application in that series
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heavily as well. Well, let's
just dive in some of the work
that Clive and Adam has
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done.
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Laodicea was located about 40
miles from Philadelphia and 100
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miles east of Ephesus, and it
was founded by Antiochus II and
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named in honor of his wife,
Laodicea, who incidentally later
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poisoned him. It was located
on the Lycus River and was about
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eight miles from Colossee to
whom the Book of Colossians was
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written and was at the
crux of two major Roman roads.
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It was an
incredibly wealthy city.
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It had a large banking
center with large manufacturing
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interests. When Laodicea was
destroyed by an earthquake in AD
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60, they refused outside aid and
rebuilt the city at their own
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expense. Such self-sufficiency
was rare and made the city
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famous. They were also famous
for a valuable wool found in the
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valleys that was soft in texture
and black in color, which meant
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that Laodiceans almost
exclusively wore black as
evidence of their wealth.
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There was also an important
school of medicine located in
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the narrow and connected to this
school was an industry for the
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manufacture of a special eye
medicine, collirium, made from a
famous Pyrogean stone.
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Laodicea was a successful and
well -ordered city with proud,
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arrogant and
self-satisfied inhabitants.
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They were accustomed to leisure,
pleasure and entertainment as
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evidenced by the ruins of the
amphitheaters which remain here
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to this day.
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Jesus begins his message to
the church and gives them no
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affirmation.
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This analogy would
have been familiar to them.
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Hot water from the nearby
springs here in Heriopolis was
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pumped down to them
by aqueducts and pipes.
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Today you can see the remnants
of these aqueducts and pipes
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with the mineral
deposit inside them.
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By the time the water reached
Laodicea, it was lukewarm, good
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for nothing.
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remain in this
state, I will vomit you out.
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There is nothing worse
than a half -hearted Christian.
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If you are spiritually hot,
then you are on fire for God.
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If you are cold, then there
is at least the idea that whilst
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you are not walking with God,
you are aware that you are not.
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But if you are lukewarm, you
think you're doing good, but the
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reality is far from it.
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Laodicea's spiritual condition
was such that they think they're
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rich, increased with goods, and
have need of nothing, but their
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level of self -awareness is
non-existent, and they don't
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know that they're wretched,
miserable, poor, blind and
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naked. The counsel to Laodicea
is interesting in that it either
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included things they thought
they already had or was the
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opposite of what they had.
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tried in the fire.
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They had an eye clinic, and yet
they were told to anoint their
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eyes with eyesalve.
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They prided themselves on their
black clothes, and yet they were
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told to get white raiment.
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The gold tried in the fire is
symbolic of faith in the furnace
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of affliction.
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represents the righteousness
of Christ that we need to clothe
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ourselves in.
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The name Laodicea means a people
judged, and we take the time
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period for this church to be
from 1844 to the second coming,
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during the time period of the
judgment, and it is directly
relevant to us today.
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The message to the Laodiceans
ends with a beautiful appeal.
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Jesus is standing and knocking
at the door of our hearts.
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He doesn't force
his way in, though.
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He, the person on the
outside, is the one taking the
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initiative, pressing the
door, pleading for entrance.
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Salvation is a personal matter,
and we must open our hearts to
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him personally.
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come in and sup with him.
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Not only will he sup with us,
but the Bible says we can sit on
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his throne with him.
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Jesus longs for an
intimate relationship with us.
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If he is knocking at the door of
your heart, then open the door
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and let him come in.
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Well, if this is your first
time, consider yourself a part
00:24:03.54\00:24:07.98
of lineage.
00:24:07.98\00:24:11.91
on you could see these episodes
again on 3ABN later on, or you
00:24:11.91\00:24:15.62
could go to 3ABN
Plus and see it on demand.
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The Bible comes
alive, doesn't it?
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The Bible comes alive.
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The lukewarm, the
hot water, you said?
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Fascinating.
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You see some of
the things that are...
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about five miles from Laodicea,
and then the water would have
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flown down the valley, and today
there's still hot water flowing
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out there. And then by the
time it got down there, it was
00:24:38.91\00:24:40.78
lukewarm. You get the analogy.
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Right, it's cooling off.
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It's cooling off.
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So the analogy matches
perfectly with the Bible.
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Perfect.
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Spew you out of my
mouth, the Bible says.
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Don't want to be lukewarm.
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Well, so Clive,
as a person who...
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Based on what you
do, I dabble, okay.
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But I'm understanding some
of the context of the technical
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part of it.
00:25:02.56\00:25:06.97
project.
00:25:06.97\00:25:11.04
That includes
Photoshop, After Effects.
00:25:11.14\00:25:12.97
It typically takes
us around two days.
00:25:13.38\00:25:16.18
Well, used to when we first
started, takes about two days to
00:25:16.31\00:25:18.18
edit each episode.
00:25:18.18\00:25:19.08
Each five-minute
video takes about two days.
00:25:19.18\00:25:20.78
But over time,
we've refined the process.
00:25:21.12\00:25:22.85
We've made it quicker and faster
because we've done it so many
00:25:23.62\00:25:26.29
times.
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About a day.
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Yeah.
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That's good.
00:25:31.03\00:25:31.06
For five minutes, so...
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But see, so...
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I'm glad you mentioned that
because my wife sometimes says,
00:25:35.06\00:25:37.33
it's only five minutes long.
00:25:37.33\00:25:37.80
What's taking you so long?
00:25:37.97\00:25:38.80
He needs time.
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He needs time.
00:25:40.84\00:25:41.50
You put something
together and went to the...
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Where were we?
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Indonesia.
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Right.
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She said, it's
taking you so long.
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I said, honey,
this is seven minutes.
00:25:50.25\00:25:51.45
You should probably
spend some time with my wife.
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We can just edit together.
00:25:54.28\00:25:55.48
Yeah.
00:25:55.85\00:25:56.18
Yeah.
00:25:56.62\00:25:56.99
Now...
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What partnership have you had
with other organizations, and
00:25:59.62\00:26:03.49
how has it benefited you both?
00:26:03.49\00:26:04.56
Okay.
00:26:05.39\00:26:08.76
they have been a real blessing.
00:26:08.76\00:26:10.10
One of the more recent ones, we
did do a partnership in the last
00:26:10.13\00:26:15.87
two years with an organization
called Streams of Light.
00:26:15.87\00:26:19.01
Oh, yes.
00:26:19.41\00:26:20.28
You're familiar
with their organization.
00:26:20.34\00:26:21.61
Their mission is quite singular.
00:26:22.21\00:26:23.81
In some ways, it's to get the
book break controversy into as
00:26:24.45\00:26:28.32
many homes as possible.
00:26:28.32\00:26:29.25
And so they approached us,
and they do mass distribution
00:26:30.22\00:26:34.82
projects of great controversies
around America and other parts
00:26:34.82\00:26:37.06
of the world. And they had QR
codes in their books, but the QR
00:26:37.43\00:26:41.03
codes took, at the time, a
couple of years ago, would take
the viewer to maybe a
00:26:41.03\00:26:44.97
sermon or something like that,
but they wanted something that
00:26:44.97\00:26:48.24
was a little bit more shorter.
00:26:48.24\00:26:49.20
Some of their QR codes came to
the early lineage episodes that
00:26:49.60\00:26:53.14
we did in season one, but then
we only really covered maybe the
00:26:53.14\00:26:59.25
first 17 chapters of the book,
Great Controversy, we didn't go
00:26:59.25\00:27:01.88
beyond. So they came to us
and said, would you like to redo
00:27:02.15\00:27:05.79
them, but this time,
intentionally do every single
chapter of the book, Great
00:27:05.79\00:27:08.69
Controversy.
00:27:08.69\00:27:09.56
And so we had the
opportunity to work with them.
00:27:09.92\00:27:12.96
And that was a fun project.
00:27:13.40\00:27:15.26
So we reshot some of the early
episodes that Kalei wasn't happy
00:27:15.56\00:27:21.00
with because of the editing, or
I wasn't happy with because of
00:27:21.00\00:27:23.67
the early scripting, so we kind
of reshot some of those early
00:27:23.67\00:27:26.31
ones. I will say that
was our hardest series to do.
00:27:26.57\00:27:30.21
We just felt like everything
was always going wrong.
00:27:30.61\00:27:32.81
It's just like
when she wrote the book.
00:27:33.28\00:27:34.48
You're right, you know, right
before we were about to film,
00:27:34.68\00:27:36.99
Adam broke his arm, he fell
over, broke his arm, so we had
00:27:36.99\00:27:39.92
to postpone the filming.
00:27:39.92\00:27:40.16
No, we didn't.
00:27:40.36\00:27:41.19
Oh, no, yeah, we didn't.
00:27:41.66\00:27:42.59
We didn't.
00:27:42.59\00:27:45.33
And then Kalei was like, oh,
it doesn't matter, we can still
00:27:45.69\00:27:47.76
film. So we did the whole
two weeks of filming with this
00:27:48.00\00:27:51.13
broken arm, and it's
painful if you've broken a hand.
00:27:51.13\00:27:53.37
And then when it came to edit,
he's like, yeah, we can't use
00:27:53.37\00:27:56.71
this. It doesn't look good.
00:27:56.71\00:27:57.51
It didn't look right.
00:27:57.67\00:27:58.71
You know, you got an eternal
message, and you wanted to
00:27:59.04\00:28:01.51
present it in the right way.
00:28:01.51\00:28:02.34
I can't have an episode
on heaven with a broken arm.
00:28:02.64\00:28:04.71
Yeah, so we just said,
you know, let's just redo it.
00:28:04.85\00:28:07.62
It's gonna take us a bit more
time, but then we're gonna come
00:28:07.62\00:28:07.65
out with a product that is
done well and can last eternity.
00:28:10.45\00:28:13.66
That's right.
00:28:13.96\00:28:14.52
And that's not
just that, though.
00:28:15.32\00:28:19.19
we've never had, and it
just felt more oppressive, so to
00:28:19.19\00:28:23.70
speak, or more under...
00:28:23.70\00:28:24.53
Great controversy.
00:28:24.53\00:28:25.07
With the great controversy.
00:28:25.20\00:28:26.20
Yeah, the controversy
over the great controversy.
00:28:26.40\00:28:28.30
It was.
00:28:28.40\00:28:29.20
So that was one of
the partnerships we did.
00:28:29.37\00:28:30.64
We also did a partnership with,
somewhat partnership with ASI.
00:28:30.74\00:28:34.24
They asked us to do a video.
00:28:34.38\00:28:35.41
We saw you at ASI.
00:28:35.41\00:28:36.68
On the history of ASI, so we did
that one with them, and that was
00:28:36.98\00:28:40.08
a fun project to work on
as well, and just telling...
00:28:40.08\00:28:41.55
What do you mean,
the history of ASI?
00:28:41.55\00:28:42.88
So we started with the early
origins of ASI with Madison
00:28:42.88\00:28:46.29
College, and then kind of
followed the journey through the
00:28:46.29\00:28:49.59
children of Madison, and then
the various ministries that have
00:28:49.59\00:28:52.53
started since then, and then
what ASI is today in terms of
how it helps to enable and
00:28:52.53\00:28:57.00
empower ministries and also
people to share Christ in the
00:28:57.00\00:29:01.44
marketplace. We shared some of
those stories and testimonies in
00:29:01.60\00:29:04.61
a project that we did with them,
so that was another kind of...
00:29:04.61\00:29:05.91
So you're part
of ASI, aren't you?
00:29:05.91\00:29:07.84
Yeah.
00:29:07.84\00:29:08.18
Amen, wonderful.
00:29:08.41\00:29:09.61
You know, what's nice about the
work that you're doing and the
00:29:09.61\00:29:09.64
quality of it gives it
longevity, and I like that you
00:29:11.58\00:29:14.88
mentioned earlier, the
generation, your generation, and
00:29:14.88\00:29:20.62
young people, I mean, the media
world we're living in, the
competition is great.
00:29:20.62\00:29:24.93
When you look at anything
on, whether it's YouTube or
00:29:25.23\00:29:28.26
Instagram or TikTok or wherever
you're getting that media from,
00:29:28.26\00:29:31.03
immediately in the first five
or 10 seconds, if you don't have
00:29:31.83\00:29:34.44
that person's attention,
it's like, well, it's kind of
00:29:34.44\00:29:36.71
religious, I
don't wanna watch it.
00:29:36.71\00:29:37.47
That's why I like lineage.
00:29:37.67\00:29:38.84
It grabs you right away.
00:29:39.17\00:29:40.74
Instantly.
00:29:40.81\00:29:41.44
And not that it's a bad thing,
but you don't dress up for it,
00:29:42.28\00:29:45.58
it just gives it
a contemporary feel.
00:29:45.58\00:29:47.35
I like that.
00:29:47.38\00:29:50.62
maybe he is smart.
00:29:51.35\00:29:52.39
You know, this is a
different generation.
00:29:53.49\00:29:56.86
and shared about lineage
and people have come up to me
00:29:56.86\00:29:59.76
afterwards and they're
like, yeah, you look like him.
00:29:59.76\00:30:02.86
It's like, yeah.
00:30:04.27\00:30:05.23
You're in a town in a suit.
00:30:05.23\00:30:06.27
You want me to
put the hat on and...
00:30:06.30\00:30:07.37
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:07.37\00:30:08.44
You want me to take off
my tie and put the hat on?
00:30:08.47\00:30:10.01
You sound like him.
00:30:10.01\00:30:11.21
But just to say, what exactly
you said, that was intentional.
00:30:11.21\00:30:13.31
You know, we wanted
it to be fast -paced.
00:30:13.61\00:30:15.11
We knew when we first started,
we spoke about having one to
00:30:15.11\00:30:19.61
three seconds to
grab someone's attention.
00:30:19.61\00:30:20.98
That's why it's intentional with
the way it starts so rapidly,
00:30:21.25\00:30:24.02
because you really want to grab
that person's attention and get
00:30:24.02\00:30:26.02
them to watch the whole video.
00:30:26.02\00:30:26.92
And while they're scrolling,
they just see the first clips
00:30:27.99\00:30:30.59
and are
interested in watching it.
00:30:30.59\00:30:31.43
And this was, what, eight
years ago that we started this.
00:30:31.76\00:30:33.96
Now that attention
span's dropped more, you know?
00:30:34.50\00:30:37.33
So we've had to kind of
adapt and do some even shorter
00:30:37.47\00:30:40.47
content, one minute
long and 30 seconds long.
00:30:40.47\00:30:42.27
Do you have those?
00:30:42.54\00:30:43.37
Do you have...
00:30:43.61\00:30:46.44
Yeah, very short videos.
00:30:46.68\00:30:48.04
Do you have a lot of viewers?
00:30:48.44\00:30:49.14
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do, yeah.
00:30:49.51\00:30:50.61
Wow.
00:30:51.45\00:30:51.71
That's amazing.
00:30:51.88\00:30:52.58
So in addition to the video
projects, what other resources
00:30:53.25\00:30:57.52
does Lineage have?
00:30:57.52\00:30:58.25
Talk about some
of those resources.
00:30:59.29\00:31:00.62
So just talking about
the great controversy.
00:31:01.06\00:31:04.69
When we built the videos,
we thought, well, if someone is
00:31:06.66\00:31:10.50
seeing this video for the first
time, they may want to know more
00:31:10.50\00:31:13.84
information, like some
of the historical facts.
00:31:13.84\00:31:15.30
So actually, if you go to
our website and we have a whole
00:31:15.70\00:31:18.94
study section where you can
actually go through the great
00:31:18.94\00:31:21.08
controversy, historical data,
see book resources, watch the
00:31:21.21\00:31:25.41
videos, watch related videos,
read the chapter on the website,
00:31:25.41\00:31:28.98
if you want to as well.
00:31:28.98\00:31:33.79
book, Great Controversy.
00:31:33.79\00:31:34.86
Remember, we were showing this
at church, the lineage between
00:31:35.26\00:31:38.76
Sabbath school and church.
00:31:38.76\00:31:39.56
Right, we were
showing that at our church.
00:31:40.50\00:31:42.06
Okay.
00:31:42.06\00:31:47.57
Sabbath school study time.
00:31:47.57\00:31:48.80
Really, really
good, I always heard it.
00:31:49.07\00:31:50.71
And then finally, they put a
television backstage so I could
00:31:50.91\00:31:53.68
see it.
00:31:53.68\00:31:54.08
Everybody else was seeing it.
00:31:54.58\00:31:55.94
I really, really enjoyed that.
00:31:56.48\00:31:57.95
So the...
00:31:58.21\00:31:58.91
Go on.
00:31:58.91\00:31:59.28
Yeah, go ahead.
00:31:59.81\00:32:01.92
Are you gonna talk
about some of those?
00:32:02.02\00:32:03.22
Yeah, we've got some books,
original stuff that we've...
00:32:03.49\00:32:06.42
As Clive mentioned, the guy
who designed our logo, actually,
00:32:06.42\00:32:11.36
he's a...
00:32:11.36\00:32:12.19
What would you say he is?
00:32:12.19\00:32:13.13
He's an illustrator.
00:32:13.16\00:32:13.86
Illustrator.
00:32:14.10\00:32:14.56
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:14.66\00:32:15.53
So he does...
00:32:15.56\00:32:20.27
come up with
this amazing drawing.
00:32:20.27\00:32:21.84
Wow.
00:32:21.84\00:32:21.87
Just, you know...
00:32:22.34\00:32:23.14
How many in your team?
00:32:23.14\00:32:24.34
In the team, good question.
00:32:24.74\00:32:25.87
There's about...
00:32:25.91\00:32:27.11
No, there is, there's 10 of us.
00:32:27.11\00:32:28.21
There's 10 of us in the team.
00:32:28.48\00:32:29.78
And it's really been
that way since 2017, really.
00:32:30.05\00:32:33.25
Yes.
00:32:33.48\00:32:39.25
too.
00:32:39.25\00:32:40.96
About eight of the
people is people that we know.
00:32:41.72\00:32:43.66
Two of the people...
00:32:43.93\00:32:45.23
Contacted us out of the blue.
00:32:47.40\00:32:48.13
One of them
contacted us out of the blue.
00:32:48.73\00:32:49.90
The other one I knew, but
contacted me out of the blue.
00:32:49.90\00:32:49.93
So it kind of just
kind of came together.
00:32:51.93\00:32:54.24
The people in England were
people that we just asked to
00:32:54.54\00:32:57.11
come on a filming trip.
00:32:57.11\00:32:57.61
And back then,
we've got no money.
00:32:58.24\00:33:00.58
Yes.
00:33:00.81\00:33:01.18
We're broke.
00:33:01.31\00:33:01.94
I can promise to give
you a bed and travel and...
00:33:03.18\00:33:08.75
Time's not even that, though.
00:33:08.75\00:33:09.95
No.
00:33:10.29\00:33:10.32
No, just one of our...
00:33:11.22\00:33:12.49
And feed you.
00:33:12.49\00:33:12.85
And feed you.
00:33:12.92\00:33:18.96
limited on budget that
we needed an extra driver.
00:33:18.96\00:33:21.06
So I called Anton and I said,
hey, Anton, can you do a shift
00:33:21.73\00:33:25.60
with us? Because he's a driver.
00:33:25.60\00:33:26.94
We were driving through the
night up to Scotland, up to a
00:33:27.00\00:33:31.51
little island called Iona.
00:33:31.51\00:33:32.74
So I said, hey,
can you come along?
00:33:32.91\00:33:33.88
It'll be myself,
Anton, my wife, and Adam.
00:33:34.04\00:33:36.85
So Anton was
like, okay, I'll come.
00:33:37.25\00:33:38.98
And I knew that Iona was windy.
00:33:39.08\00:33:40.68
So I was like, hey,
it's gonna be windy.
00:33:41.18\00:33:42.48
Can you just bring
your boom mic as well?
00:33:42.58\00:33:44.12
Just to help out if you can.
00:33:44.39\00:33:45.65
And he was like, yeah, sure.
00:33:45.69\00:33:46.65
So he comes, he does the
sounds, loves the project.
00:33:46.72\00:33:49.19
And then he's just, he's in.
00:33:49.66\00:33:51.03
He just organically just
joined the team like that.
00:33:51.16\00:33:53.26
It wasn't like there
was no finances put down.
00:33:53.43\00:33:56.06
It wasn't a contract.
00:33:56.13\00:33:57.37
It was just like very organic.
00:33:57.47\00:33:58.87
And I can tell you a story about
every single one in the team who
00:33:59.03\00:34:02.07
kind of started that way.
00:34:02.07\00:34:03.04
And everyone joined, not
for pay, or no one said, oh, how
00:34:03.51\00:34:06.71
much am I getting?
00:34:06.71\00:34:10.88
project.
00:34:10.88\00:34:11.15
And that's kind of special
because even though the ministry
00:34:12.48\00:34:15.65
has grown a little bit since
then, and the Lord blessed us in
00:34:15.65\00:34:20.09
some ways, the core team is all
people that join just out of a
passion and a burden
00:34:20.09\00:34:23.86
to join.
00:34:23.86\00:34:24.33
And so anyway, so that's
most of the guys on the team.
00:34:24.96\00:34:27.40
And then a few of them joined.
00:34:27.46\00:34:29.00
Is it all a guy team?
00:34:29.10\00:34:30.27
No, no, no, no.
00:34:30.77\00:34:31.93
So our writer who writes our
website content and the books
00:34:32.13\00:34:36.44
that I mentioned in just a
minute, she's from Australia,
00:34:36.44\00:34:39.64
her name's Suki. And
then my wife's on the team.
00:34:40.18\00:34:41.71
Clive's wife's
on the team as well.
00:34:42.08\00:34:43.24
Aiko and Charlene
are both on the team.
00:34:43.45\00:34:45.15
So you travel together?
00:34:45.25\00:34:46.21
When we can.
00:34:46.58\00:34:47.15
Not always.
00:34:47.35\00:34:48.12
Sometimes it's
just me and Clive.
00:34:48.15\00:34:49.08
Sometimes it's three of us.
00:34:49.35\00:34:50.62
Sometimes it's five of us.
00:34:50.69\00:34:51.55
Sometimes it's more.
00:34:51.59\00:34:52.45
It just kind of
varies on who's available.
00:34:52.49\00:34:54.42
And how long
we're going for as well.
00:34:54.72\00:34:56.09
How long we're going for and
what we need to do when we get
00:34:56.12\00:34:58.33
there. How many
countries have you been to?
00:34:58.69\00:35:00.30
That's a good question.
00:35:00.83\00:35:01.80
I've never counted.
00:35:01.96\00:35:02.63
Never counted?
00:35:02.63\00:35:03.73
Never counted.
00:35:04.50\00:35:06.60
If a viewer can tell us that,
we can give them a free gift.
00:35:07.90\00:35:10.14
Now, is there a headquarters?
00:35:11.44\00:35:12.54
That's, we're very...
00:35:14.18\00:35:15.11
My bedroom.
00:35:15.11\00:35:15.58
There's no physical headquarters
because I'm based in England.
00:35:17.21\00:35:19.98
He lives in California.
00:35:20.32\00:35:21.48
Jasper, who's one of our
videographers, lives in the
00:35:22.32\00:35:24.42
Philippines.
00:35:24.42\00:35:25.02
Suki is our
writer, lives in Australia.
00:35:25.32\00:35:26.62
So we're kind of...
00:35:27.29\00:35:27.96
This is totally contemporary.
00:35:27.96\00:35:29.02
This is what you call...
00:35:29.29\00:35:31.06
We have a Slack channel.
00:35:31.06\00:35:32.26
We have a channel on Slack
and we do our projects on there,
00:35:32.26\00:35:36.20
communicate on there and we
meet once a month virtually.
00:35:36.30\00:35:39.47
But we've never had the whole
team in one place at the same
00:35:39.97\00:35:43.27
time. I'll say to our audience,
welcome to the modern order of
00:35:43.47\00:35:46.91
things. That's really
how the world is nowadays.
00:35:47.44\00:35:49.34
It is.
00:35:49.34\00:35:52.78
And that quick response.
00:35:54.15\00:35:55.45
But now as far as editing, are
you the chief editor or you have
00:35:56.35\00:35:59.59
other people editing with you?
00:35:59.59\00:36:04.13
of our behind the scenes videos.
00:36:04.13\00:36:05.39
Eden is the guy who does that
for us and he travels with us
00:36:05.69\00:36:08.40
sometimes.
00:36:08.40\00:36:09.26
And again, he had another
organic story of how he joined.
00:36:09.56\00:36:11.87
But most of the episode editing
that you'll see would be myself.
00:36:12.50\00:36:16.44
And I would say myself and my
wife, because my wife, she fixes
00:36:16.64\00:36:20.58
my mistakes.
00:36:20.58\00:36:21.04
Well, she edits also.
00:36:21.58\00:36:22.38
We do that.
00:36:22.38\00:36:22.41
Women do that, right?
00:36:23.28\00:36:24.61
No, seriously, because sometimes
you're looking at something so
00:36:25.85\00:36:29.12
long that it just
kind of blends in.
00:36:29.12\00:36:30.72
And my wife says, you're
missing a letter on that word.
00:36:30.85\00:36:34.36
Yeah, exactly.
00:36:34.36\00:36:35.19
Y-O-U, you forgot R.
00:36:35.59\00:36:37.09
Yeah, my biggest Achilles
heel is I leave the R out on the
00:36:37.79\00:36:41.26
word, your. But she finds that
she's very, very good at that.
00:36:41.80\00:36:43.93
But now let's talk about another
one because we just looked at
00:36:44.50\00:36:46.87
Leo to see.
00:36:46.87\00:36:50.21
Oh, you went there?
00:36:50.51\00:36:51.94
Yeah, I mean.
00:36:52.11\00:36:53.14
I always want to go there.
00:36:53.14\00:36:54.44
So in terms of the chronology of
lineage, our first series was on
00:36:54.81\00:36:59.08
the Reformation.
00:36:59.08\00:36:59.71
That was season one.
00:36:59.78\00:37:00.85
Yes.
00:37:00.85\00:37:01.35
We did that in 2017.
00:37:01.35\00:37:02.12
And that kind of
started in the early church.
00:37:02.32\00:37:04.62
It went all the way through
to John Wesley, the birth of
00:37:04.85\00:37:10.23
missions and so on.
00:37:10.23\00:37:14.36
need to do Adventism,
which comes after that and early
00:37:14.36\00:37:19.33
religion in America.
00:37:19.33\00:37:23.04
We did the birth and the rise
of Adventism in America and its
00:37:23.37\00:37:27.44
expansion around the world.
00:37:27.44\00:37:28.61
So that took us up to
Ellen White and so on.
00:37:28.78\00:37:32.35
Then for our third
season, we went back in time.
00:37:32.81\00:37:36.48
And this is kind of where I say,
if we'd done it strategically,
00:37:37.22\00:37:39.92
we would have done that one
probably first, but the Lord
00:37:39.92\00:37:43.06
just, His plans.
00:37:43.06\00:37:48.36
Conflict of the Ages.
00:37:48.43\00:37:49.30
Wow.
00:37:49.90\00:37:55.47
early Old Testament, then
Prophets and Kings, Lateral
00:37:55.47\00:37:58.41
Testament. And we
call them different.
00:37:58.71\00:37:59.87
So we called Patriarchs
and Prophets, we call that from
00:37:59.91\00:38:02.98
creation to Kings, Pentecost,
I mean, Prophets and Kings, we
00:38:02.98\00:38:06.72
call from Kings to...
00:38:06.72\00:38:08.12
Captivity.
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Kings to Captivity.
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Desire of Ages, we
call from Manger to Messiah.
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And then Acts of the Apostles,
we call from Pentecost to
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Patmos. Oh, I love the titles.
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So Patmos was our final episode
in that series that covered the
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history of the Bible.
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It was more telling the
story of the Bible on location.
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And so just summarizing, I mean,
where there was irrefutable
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archaeological evidence that I
can point to, we'd reference it,
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but it wasn't
primarily aiming to be that.
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It was more telling the story,
the narrative of the great
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controversy through Scripture
from Genesis all the way through
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to Revelation or Patmos.
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But you know, one of the things
that, and I believe somebody in
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our audience might identify with
this, I know we identify with
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that, we can't wait to see where
you're next in every episode.
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I know.
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Where are they now?
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Where are they now?
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And that's kind of
like the drawing factors.
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We love that.
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Wow, we heard about that.
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Look, it actually does exist.
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And so that's just...
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To us, that's one of the major
things in that, I don't know,
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I'm saying this in a studio, but
we're not shooting what we're
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shooting in a studio.
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One of the draws, I think,
is that we are on location.
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And so for a lot of people, we
recognize they can't go there.
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A lot of people aren't able to
go, or haven't the opportunity
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to go to Patmos.
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So by seeing the video and
seeing it, it's a real place and
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what it would have
looked like when John was there.
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So, you know, Patmos was special
for me to go there and just kind
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of, we were there
on the Sabbath as well.
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Oh, how special.
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Sometimes you can read the
Bible and you don't remember or
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realize that these
places exist even till today.
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So just bringing that to life
and showing the young people,
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like it's not a
book full of fables.
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You know, Laodicea exists,
Jerusalem exists, all of these
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different locations in the
Bible, they're there today.
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And it was special for me to
go to these places and document
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them. But just bringing that to
life is really what attracted us
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to it. Oh, the Waldensees,
you did that too, didn't you?
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I love that.
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So give us the lead into
what we're gonna see on John on
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Patmos. Yeah, so the Patmos
one is the episode, it's the
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conclusive episode, the
final episode in that series.
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And we're telling the story
of John as he would have written
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the book of Revelation, as he
was isolated there on that rocky
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island of Patmos.
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Okay.
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Well, let's look at this.
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John on Patmos.
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Let's listen.
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John had a special place
in Jesus' heart, for Scripture
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notes that he was the
disciple whom Jesus loved.
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John shared experiences
with Jesus in the Garden of
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Gethsemane and on the
Mount of Transfiguration.
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And he was the disciple whom
Jesus entrusted the care of his
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mother to when
he was on the cross.
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John had defects of character
that earned him the nickname,
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the Son of Thunder.
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coarse and rough edges.
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John was ambitious for
power, vengeful, critical, and
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impetuous, yet he had great
potential and would go on to be
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the longest living disciple.
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The book of Acts mentions
that John was present during
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Pentecost, but after that
he barely gets a mention in
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Scripture. Whilst the other
disciples were literally
travelling the then-known
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world, Thomas was
preaching the Gospel in India.
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Peter was in Rome.
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John has several decades of his
life where there is very little
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written.
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He was looking
after Jesus' mother.
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It would not have been easy to
stay at home, so to speak, but
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John needed his own version
of a wilderness experience.
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We are told that Peter
was crucified upside down.
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Thomas was pierced with a spear.
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Luke was hung from an olive
tree, and Bartholomew, Simon,
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Philip, and Jude were beheaded.
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But John was the only apostle
to die of natural causes.
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This was, however, due to
miraculous power of God, as
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Tertullian, writing in AD 200,
said, At Rome the apostle John,
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having been immersed in hot
oil, suffered no harm at all.
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This attempt to boil him alive
did not work and is alleged to
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have happened behind me.
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before being banished to Patmos.
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This rocky island was chosen by
the Roman government as a place
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of banishment for criminals, and
here, away from the busyness of
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life, John received visions from
heaven that outlined the closing
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scenes of this earth's history.
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Here, amidst the rocks and
cliffs, John held communion with
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God as he was able to meditate
on the Book of Nature and marvel
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at God's goodness.
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thought by some to be past
useful service, an old man.
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But it was here that he received
more communication from heaven
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than he had during
all his former years.
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The Book of Revelation The
Book of Revelation is written in
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signs and symbols and needs to
be decoded in order to be fully
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understood. The
purpose of this is twofold.
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Firstly, to protect and preserve
it from the ruling power in
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John's day, and secondly, to
ensure that those who wish to
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understand it
actually study and dig deep.
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Revelation contains many
messages that have relevance for
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our time today, and it has
helped, and continues to help,
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the church to understand where
it comes from and where it's
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going. If you have not yet read
the Book of Revelation, I urge
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you to start, for it begins with
a blessing to all those who read
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and understand it.
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Here on the Isle of Patmos, John
finally had time to write, and
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it is here where he wrote the
Gospel of John and also the Book
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of Revelation.
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himself and the Christian
church in ages to follow.
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It is traditionally believed
that he received his visions in
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the Cave of the Apocalypse, but
we really don't know where he
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received his visions.
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barren place but also a
beautiful place and a place
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where John was able
to commune with God.
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Here on the Isle of Patmos,
John experienced trials and
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obstacles, but these
could not shake his faith.
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He had developed a deep and a
pure love for God, and urged in
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his writing, "'Beloved, let
us love God,' and reiterated the
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point that we ought not
love in word, but in deed.
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John lived a long and faithful
life, and at the end of his life
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he came to realize that the most
important thing is to love God
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and love one another.
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another, as I have loved you.'
And later on he said, "'Beloved,
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let us love one another, for
love is of God.' May we be
faithful to God and
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serve him amidst the trials and
adverse circumstances that come
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our way, and may we reflect on
and live out the words of John
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to love one another.'" Well, the
reason I like Revelation is
because it says, I,
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John, saw.
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But no, it's a beautiful book,
and the sad reality is many in
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the Christian world think it is
a book that's still closed, but
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as we've seen by illustration,
we know it's not a closed book.
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Its very name means
Revelation, to reveal.
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How touching is this for you
because you're bringing us into
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this vicariously, but what is it
doing to you while you're there?
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I know.
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To me it was special,
00:47:11.43\00:47:12.13
some sites are more special
than others to visit, and to me,
00:47:15.43\00:47:18.33
Patmos was one of the most
special because it's the place
where John wrote the
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book of Revelation, and it's the
place where you read, I was in
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the Spirit on the Lord today.
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Oh, yeah.
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There is technically, I mean,
there is traditionally a cave
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where they say he had it, but
I'm like, how do they know he
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had the cave? They built
a monastery on top of it.
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Right, declaimed it.
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I like to imagine he was on a
rocky edge somewhere, thank you,
00:47:39.25\00:47:43.22
me too. On a beach maybe
somewhere, and he goes into
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vision, and so we actually went
there on a Friday and we left on
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the Sunday, so sandwiched in the
middle, we had Sabbath there,
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and it was just special to just
meditate, read the book of
Revelation, have some quiet
00:47:52.83\00:47:59.37
time, you know, go on a hike
there and just be like, this is
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the place where Revelation
was written, and it's the place
00:48:04.55\00:48:08.85
where God met with him.
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Yes.
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them, they say traditionally
this happened, whereas you can't
00:48:14.12\00:48:18.03
move the island, you know that
that is the island of Patmos, it
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did happen there, and so it
does, it does make an impact on
00:48:22.76\00:48:27.84
you when you go to places I
think that you know are
authentic, and you know for sure
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something of
importance happened there.
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As you mentioned, I feel
like I'm there with you on that
00:48:33.21\00:48:33.24
journey, and I'm sure many of
you feel that same way, like
you're there, come, come
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with me, and
it's just beautiful.
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It was great to be able to
share that with other people.
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That people see.
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That's wonderful, and we want
to remind our audience about.
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Oh, yeah, if you want to write
in, or if you want to text, if
00:48:50.99\00:48:55.40
you want to text us, you can
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have a question for these two
wonderful gentlemen, or you can
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00:49:00.87\00:49:06.41
3ABN.org.
00:49:06.41\00:49:08.48
So, send some questions in.
00:49:08.48\00:49:10.75
You know, when I look at
the evolution, the growth, the
00:49:11.35\00:49:16.69
expansion of this project, at
what point did you realize how
00:49:16.69\00:49:21.96
large the project is, and how
did it metamorphosize from, you
00:49:21.96\00:49:24.96
know, let's do that
to where it is today.
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Some of that, to a
certain degree, happened when we
00:49:29.96\00:49:35.17
released the first episode.
00:49:35.17\00:49:35.74
Because for me, I'm like, I'm
recording a video on history,
00:49:36.60\00:49:42.38
and I had no idea how
Clive was going to edit it.
00:49:42.38\00:49:45.15
No idea.
00:49:45.95\00:49:46.75
He's not showing me, oh, this
is, I just spoke to video, I
00:49:47.68\00:49:50.82
assume he's just going to have
the video of me talking to the
00:49:50.82\00:49:53.79
camera, and that's it.
00:49:53.79\00:49:56.56
boom, boom, boom, you know,
as it is with the drone shots.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:50:00.46\00:50:01.10
This, this, this is pretty good.
00:50:01.30\00:50:03.60
But then when we released it,
when I first kind of got an idea
00:50:06.00\00:50:11.71
was when the algorithm was
different then, when on
Facebook, it just got
00:50:11.71\00:50:15.64
like, it just got share after
share after share after share
00:50:15.64\00:50:19.11
after share.
00:50:19.11\00:50:22.92
just like, oh, wow.
00:50:22.92\00:50:24.22
There's something to this.
00:50:24.49\00:50:25.82
Like, maybe this is scratching
an itch that we didn't know was
00:50:26.05\00:50:29.72
as itchy as we thought it was.
00:50:29.72\00:50:30.69
And I think it did, it
wasn't just the graphics or the
00:50:31.46\00:50:37.47
visuals, but I think the idea,
and this really is what inspired
the idea of lineage
00:50:37.47\00:50:41.47
and has metamorphosed to a
certain degree, the idea of
00:50:41.47\00:50:46.07
understanding our
identity through our history.
00:50:46.07\00:50:47.78
Right.
00:50:48.18\00:50:49.01
And I think this is
something very important.
00:50:49.21\00:50:51.08
The world is going
through an identity crisis.
00:50:51.25\00:50:53.38
Young people are going
through an identity crisis.
00:50:54.32\00:50:56.35
I mean, the causes of that we
can debate on and there's many
00:50:56.48\00:50:59.82
factors as to why there's such
an identity crisis, particularly
00:50:59.82\00:51:03.32
amongst
teenagers and young adults.
00:51:03.32\00:51:05.56
But understanding where we come
from and what our heritage and
00:51:06.43\00:51:09.43
what our background and history
is, is one of the ways to help
00:51:09.43\00:51:13.03
us understand what
our identity is today.
00:51:13.03\00:51:15.14
And I think without knowing it
at the time, lineage helped with
00:51:15.47\00:51:19.31
that. It's like, oh,
that's where we come from.
00:51:19.37\00:51:21.28
So that's part
of who I am today.
00:51:21.68\00:51:23.48
And it really, and so, back to
your question as to where do we
00:51:23.61\00:51:27.52
know it would kind of grow.
00:51:27.52\00:51:28.35
Oh, yeah.
00:51:28.35\00:51:34.09
as we have ideas, you know,
creatives getting ideas and as
00:51:34.09\00:51:38.79
the Lord provided a little
bit of resources to do it like,
00:51:38.79\00:51:41.30
well, as He provides resources
and as we have ideas, let's
00:51:41.30\00:51:44.20
just, let's keep going.
00:51:44.20\00:51:45.03
And so, you know, we kept going,
there's ideas and there's a
00:51:45.53\00:51:48.64
little bit of, you
know, resources to keep going.
00:51:48.64\00:51:50.44
And so, we've just kind
of carried that on as we have
00:51:50.97\00:51:56.01
ideas. And so, we started as
a project, but now we've moved
00:51:56.08\00:52:00.55
into the ministry phase.
00:52:00.55\00:52:01.75
Yeah, that kind of happened.
00:52:01.98\00:52:02.98
So, we were a project in 2017.
00:52:02.98\00:52:05.19
We became a ministry towards
the end of 18, 20, around 2019.
00:52:05.59\00:52:12.09
And that's when we kind of
said, become our own entity.
00:52:12.83\00:52:15.53
Now, you did the whole
book of great controversy.
00:52:16.13\00:52:20.24
We did do that,
yeah, every chapter.
00:52:20.60\00:52:22.54
Now, some people haven't even
read the whole book and you did
00:52:23.34\00:52:26.94
a video series.
00:52:26.94\00:52:28.58
Some people
have said that to us.
00:52:28.64\00:52:29.88
They've said, I've always tried
to read this, but, you know,
00:52:30.05\00:52:34.62
I've read the destruction of
Jerusalem, chapter one, like 20
00:52:34.62\00:52:37.42
times, but never
can get past that.
00:52:37.42\00:52:38.55
But watching the videos, they
were able to get through the
00:52:38.89\00:52:41.29
whole book just by
summarizing it up in a video.
00:52:41.29\00:52:44.66
How long each episode?
00:52:44.66\00:52:46.09
Five minutes?
00:52:47.50\00:52:48.26
Most five or six minutes.
00:52:48.86\00:52:50.00
A few of the chapters of great
controversy, a few of them were
00:52:50.10\00:52:52.73
longer than our typical, some
of them went to seven or eight
00:52:52.73\00:52:54.90
minutes, but normally it's
five or six minutes, generally
00:52:54.90\00:52:58.51
speaking, and that's kind of
been the sweet spot that we've
kind of settled on.
00:52:59.37\00:53:02.71
How long does it take
to do five or six minutes?
00:53:02.84\00:53:05.01
A day now.
00:53:05.35\00:53:06.08
About a day, about a day, yeah.
00:53:06.41\00:53:07.95
It's interesting you say that
because the great controversy
00:53:08.48\00:53:10.89
sometimes was a little bit more
challenging because especially
00:53:10.89\00:53:14.72
the first part of the book, you
have actual locations, you have,
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you know, the
French Reformation.
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Well, we're going to do that in
France, we're going to do that
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in Paris.
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The later chapters, you know,
the second coming or, you know,
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some of the later
ones, where do you do those?
00:53:28.27\00:53:29.84
So we had to be a little
bit creative as to where we shot
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some of those things to
kind of bring them to life.
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So we did Heaven in Hawaii.
00:53:35.78\00:53:36.88
Oh!
00:53:37.41\00:53:37.75
That's a good
place to do Heaven.
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We did Hell in Hawaii too.
00:53:40.22\00:53:40.25
Yeah.
00:53:41.62\00:53:42.08
You did Hell too?
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The Volcanoes.
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Oh, the Volcanoes, yes.
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You did Hell too.
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Interesting.
00:53:47.56\00:53:48.72
Right, because you
have the Volcanoes.
00:53:48.72\00:53:50.56
You have the Volcanoes, right.
00:53:50.56\00:53:51.59
We're able to hit
two birds with one stone.
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Heaven and Hell.
00:53:54.56\00:53:55.16
People that have gone to Hawaii
probably said that's true.
00:53:56.83\00:53:58.90
You could have
Heaven and Hell in Hawaii.
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But the reality of it is,
the community of people that are
00:54:01.84\00:54:05.37
watching Lineage are being
affected in a positive way.
00:54:05.37\00:54:08.74
It's kind of like, wow.
00:54:08.81\00:54:10.35
And for us, honestly, our
weeks are so busy when Saturday
00:54:10.88\00:54:15.05
afternoon comes at home.
00:54:15.05\00:54:15.95
And even if we're maybe
finishing lunch at home or
00:54:16.69\00:54:21.06
whatever, the time it
comes on is just perfect.
00:54:21.06\00:54:22.56
It really pulls us into it.
00:54:22.76\00:54:24.16
It's going to be wonderful.
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And we've walked
past each other at ASI.
00:54:26.36\00:54:28.26
You're busy at
ASI, I'm busy at ASI.
00:54:28.30\00:54:30.83
But those who are watching
the program, and I could imagine
00:54:31.03\00:54:34.90
that you probably have stories
that you can tell that when you
00:54:34.90\00:54:39.47
rewind the videotape, no pun
intended, we don't do videotapes
00:54:39.47\00:54:42.78
any longer, but when you rewind
your journeys, you've seen
miracles along the way.
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Can you think of
one of those miracles?
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You might want to share this
side of the program before we go
00:54:50.12\00:54:52.92
to our second half.
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in England, we call it the boot.
00:55:00.93\00:55:02.33
But over here,
you call it the trunk.
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So we put the stuff in the
back, and the car was sealed up.
00:55:05.13\00:55:08.37
We had cameras, drone,
laptops, all in the back.
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And we went off to film.
00:55:13.27\00:55:14.51
We went to the Vatican to film,
and we were out for most of the
00:55:14.98\00:55:18.51
afternoon.
00:55:18.51\00:55:19.01
By the time we
came back, it was dark.
00:55:19.35\00:55:20.95
And we walked up towards
the car, and the window had been
00:55:21.35\00:55:24.79
smashed in. Oh no.
00:55:24.79\00:55:25.49
And we're thinking, oh no.
00:55:26.02\00:55:27.42
And then we saw that the seat
had been put down, so whoever
00:55:27.49\00:55:31.63
has gone in has gone and
taken all our stuff in the back.
00:55:31.63\00:55:33.46
Then we turned the corner and
looked in, the window smashed,
00:55:33.90\00:55:37.93
the seat is down, and all
our stuff is in plain sight for
00:55:37.93\00:55:41.84
everybody to see.
00:55:41.84\00:55:46.17
laptop, all on full view.
00:55:46.17\00:55:48.01
So even if the thieves...
00:55:48.28\00:55:49.41
Once the seat was down.
00:55:49.41\00:55:49.91
Once the seat was down.
00:55:49.98\00:55:50.81
Right.
00:55:50.81\00:55:56.02
walking down the street had
plain sight view of all of our
00:55:56.02\00:56:00.22
stuff, and nothing got taken.
00:56:00.22\00:56:01.02
Angels blocked it.
00:56:01.32\00:56:02.16
Angels blocked it.
00:56:02.46\00:56:03.29
The value of what was in
that trunk is inestimable.
00:56:03.59\00:56:07.10
Yeah, well, you
can put a value on...
00:56:07.20\00:56:09.73
On equipment.
00:56:09.73\00:56:13.13
And how do you get that back?
00:56:13.27\00:56:14.50
You have to go
do all that again.
00:56:14.57\00:56:15.84
But everything was
there, nothing was missing.
00:56:16.17\00:56:18.61
I could only imagine your heart
rate went up and went down.
00:56:18.74\00:56:24.15
It's like, you lean on the
car and think, thank you, Lord.
00:56:25.81\00:56:29.85
That is a miracle, honestly,
because the enemy would do
00:56:30.22\00:56:32.85
whatever he can to stop such a
project, but the Lord was
showing you that the
00:56:32.85\00:56:36.02
Lord is with you on the front
lines and is really, really with
00:56:36.02\00:56:39.69
you. Now, we want to tease a
little bit to the second hour
00:56:39.89\00:56:42.43
because just to remind our
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00:56:42.43\00:56:47.67
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00:56:47.74\00:56:51.04
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00:56:51.04\00:56:53.54
And in the second hour, we're
going to have some more videos
00:56:54.04\00:56:56.78
about the French Reformation
Liberty of Conscience
Threatened, which is a
00:56:56.78\00:57:00.52
very big issue today, a snippet
on AI Translation Episode
00:57:00.52\00:57:05.19
because we're living
in a day and age where...
00:57:05.19\00:57:06.32
Yeah, it's fascinating how
we're using AI to translate into
00:57:06.32\00:57:10.16
different languages.
00:57:10.16\00:57:10.96
So, you know, I'm speaking
of the languages, but I'm not
00:57:11.93\00:57:14.60
speaking them.
00:57:14.60\00:57:18.50
places as well.
00:57:18.50\00:57:22.04
Portuguese, and we're going to
talk about that the second hour,
00:57:22.04\00:57:25.91
and AI is phenomenal, but you
know, you've just gotten a
chance to peek into
00:57:25.91\00:57:29.74
the lineage window.
00:57:29.74\00:57:30.81
If you are a follower, then you
know, but if you're not, I think
00:57:31.01\00:57:33.01
you're going to become one.
00:57:33.01\00:57:33.85
And we have a second hour where
there's a lot more to cover, a
00:57:34.35\00:57:36.89
lot more questions, a
lot more miracle stories.
00:57:36.89\00:57:38.59
It's going to be good as
it has been, so don't go away.
00:57:39.55\00:57:42.22
We are going to be right
back in just a few moments.
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