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>> Good evening, friends.
I'm Joe Moore County and we
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just welcome you to our 3, A
B and today life program. That's
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right. This is our 2 hours
where we get to spend together
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our guest tonight. I'm going to
introduce you to her in just a
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moment. But our time I do
give you a clue of what we're
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talking about tonight.
It's I am not qualified woman in
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leadership.
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You know what I think about
women in leadership from Smyth
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study of the word of God who
would come to mind in my mind,
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I think of Esther, she's one
of the first people. I think of
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that. She had the courage
to stand before the king. You
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might think of Deborah. She
walked with Barrick leading the
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Army. But what about people
like Mary? The mother of Jesus?
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Was she leader? She talked
Jesus, the Messiah, the savior
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of the world. What about
Martha? Was she a leader?
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She served people and her home
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leadership looks very
different. It's not always what
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we expect. And sometimes God
calls people to different roles
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or a different season in
their life and we don't feel
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qualified. Our guests tonight
is going to talk about her
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journey and her it experience,
especially the last couple of
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years at KIPP a doula
farms walking in leadership as a
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woman. I want to introduce
to you, Antoinette Forney, who's
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the principal of coming
to the farms and it is such a
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privilege and a blessing to
have you here with us tonight.
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Thank you, Jill.
Thank you for having me.
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Antoinette spoke at a site.
We just came recently from a s
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I and she shared about not
qualified and some of those
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stories and journeys of being
there. It can be to a farm and
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my heart was touched and
convicted. Presence of the holy
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Spirit was there. And
before she returned, she and her
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husband tip hands in the we
wanted to have her shares some
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of that experience with you
at home. So if you're a woman,
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this program is for you. If
you're a husband or a father
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or a fund, this program is for
you as well. Because God calls
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everyone. I know we're
focused specifically on woman,
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but God calls all of us into
ministry and to serve him in
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some fashion. So talk to us
who is Antoinette. Tell us about
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your family and
what you do right now.
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>> My name is Antoinette. I
was born and raised in South
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Africa.
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And when I was 19, I left South
Africa to look for a place to
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serve. God called
me to be a missionary.
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I met my husband,
Jason in Tanzania.
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And so we were married a year
later. At that point, I knew
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God wanted me to be a
missionary. So when I met him,
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it just all fit together.
He also had received a call to
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do missions.
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And we moved into the very
house where he met and where we
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still live. 22 years later,
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it's not very common for
missionaries to be situated so
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long in one place. But our
responsibilities over the years
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have just a wall to be more and
more. So that's where we still
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are. We have 3 daughters.
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Our oldest daughter is 20 years
old to learning to be a nurse.
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Right now studying we have a
middle daughter is almost 18.
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And then our youngest daughter
who is 15, all born and raced.
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And that's the only home a non
is where we are still mountains
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and here in Cannes in you.
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>> Absolutely. So give us
just to not show that's not the
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focus of this program, but
what is could the dual farms and
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give us a nutshell off? What
could the dough forms to us?
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>> Camila pharmacist supporting
Ministry off the 7th Day
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Adventist Church in Tanzania.
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So Madison College had started
different outpost centers.
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And one of them ended up being
Wildwood and Wildwood started.
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Riverside Farm, Zambia
and Zambia. Riverside Farm in
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Zambia then started coming
to a farm in around 1989. 90 92.
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I didn't know that. Yeah.
So and back up to the farm.
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We our main focus is education.
Now we have a primary school.
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We have a special school.
I'm involved for young people
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address, focusing on
agriculture and then we have a
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bible school for
adults, training them to be lane
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missionaries and an intern
areas of Tanzania. He cites
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that we have a very active
publishing work and we are
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breaking ground for another
large facility for printing
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because the work
is grown so much.
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And then we have built
many churches over the years in
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Tanzania.
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We have been
also enact the farm.
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And we have started an avocado
export company just a few years
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ago to support missions because
our goal is beyond Tanzania.
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The rest of Africa is in
great need of support and help.
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And we hope that the business
can become a tool to start and
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support mission in
Africa. Man. That's a great deal
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happening there. How many
people involved in working
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there? So it peak season when
we can when we count all the
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workers on the business side
and all our staff and students
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is 400 people approximately
and how many students in the
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primary school and then how
many students in your special?
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We have about 132 students and
our primary school. We have 114
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students in have a culture
training center and they can
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fluctuate anywhere between
30 to 40 students in our lay
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missionary course which we do
twice a year. So it's a it's a
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student campus. It's busy.
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>> Wow. Okay. So let's go back
to Antoinette as a young person
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to do always want to be a
missionary. Were you up strong,
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solid Christian from
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baby Hood or
what was your journey?
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>> So I grew up 7th Day
Adventists. Interesting.
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My husband is from Canada
and I'm from South Africa. His
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parents became admin. This when
he was one of my parents became
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at Venice when I was one.
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So, no, I didn't always
grow up thinking I would be a
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missionary one day. So I
grew up going to the secondary
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school was secular. I was one
of maybe a handful of 7th Day
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Adventists and a large high
school. So my friends were all
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secular. So in the week I would
be like my friend's son that's
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church. I would then try to
be like people at the church.
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So kind of living
in 2 different worlds.
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But I always wanted to be a
true Christian and my heart.
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I remember
longing to know God better
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and have something that's more
solid and lasting and not just
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the the highs that I would
experience during camp meeting
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and then it was
kind of fade away.
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By the time I was 19, I went
had to make decisions actually
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17 when I had to make decisions
about my life, what education I
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wanted. I didn't know what
I wanted to do with my life.
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I thought psychology with the
a good way to go. But the doors
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weren't opening that way.
And so to make a long story
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short, I left Africa when I
was 19, this with some basic
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medical missionary training
looking for a place to serve
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ended like Abraham. I literally
left my country left my family
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not knowing where I was going.
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>> Was a scary. It was. I
shed a lot of tears, actually,
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to be very honest with you
because I'm supposed to have
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figured out my life, not
necessarily long-term, but at
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least.
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>> Not go looking for a
place to go and the unknown, but
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rather go to college, find
an education so you can support
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yourself. And it just wasn't
working out for me that way.
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But I had very supportive
parents, parents who prayed for
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me pay. My dad had indicated
the 2 missions service he told
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me years later.
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So I can see how all the
pieces came together at the last
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minute got opened the door for
me to serve at Riverside Farm
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in Zambia where
I was for 2 years
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from there. I after meeting my
husband, I moved to keep it to
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a farm.
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>> How did you know that
God was calling you to be a
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missionary? So you're
19, you're still young.
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How do you know? Because
I'm thinking people watching
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tonight and say, I don't know
if God's calling me, how do I
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know? How do I hear the
call of God and how do I know?
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>> You know, there's a
persistent little conviction
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inside that you can quiet
doesn't matter what you do,
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that little persistent
voice that keeps telling you.
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I want you to serve me. I want
you to follow me. And when you
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need someone who talks and
that's what happened to me as I
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met, the first American I ever
met in South Africa was very
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impressive. And he was talking
and sharing about ministry app
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in Kenya.
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And I had that they experience
of the disciples on the way to
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the Maoist with a burning
heart. I realize that God was
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calling me and didn't
know necessarily where our wet,
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of course, but that call
was there. I want you to know I
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want you to serve and
that's where it started.
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And that's powerful. So if
we fast forward, you are capable
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of farms. You your husband got
married and your mom and your
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wife. Talk to us just
about what that journey was like
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before we transition to
the last 2 and a half years.
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You more in leadership.
But what is it like it? I mean,
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this is cross cultural mission
work. You're a foreigner.
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Talk to us about that.
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So it's a brand new wife at
22 years old. You know, you have
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to learn to use a wood stove
now and to learn to cook on a
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wood stoves. I remember my
bread coming out very well done
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and burned out fighting
completely undone in the
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middle.
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My husband actually talking to
can for a very practical in the
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mission field since he was 14.
So he had to learn some skills
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that I didn't
learn as the town girl.
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So, yeah, just a young bride
and you language to have to
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learn new cultural ways besides
learning how to be a new wife.
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And then eventually we were
blessed with the birth of our
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first daughter. She was born
right in Tanzania. My mom was
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able to be there. But I
remember raising my little
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children and not having family
close by the typical support
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system, silent or some lonely
times. I struggled with some
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postpartum depression
after the first 2 births.
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And I remember that being tough
times some, but I am the Lord
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was so faithful and good to me.
Someone I found out there was
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going to be a 3rd.
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In addition to our family, I
prayed and I asked the Lord and
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I said, Lord,
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it's hard so far from care
so far from family. Could you
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please help me needed? I never
experienced the same kind of
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depression after the last
child in the head with a first
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Daytona. So this is just a
practical example of how the
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Lord sees and understands
and can help us. I'm and so what
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advice would you give to a
woman now? Maybe he's dealing
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with depression because
that's a real issue in so many
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people's lives, male or female.
But as a mom with his post
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Partum depression, what advice
I know you said you prayed and
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asked, you know, before the
birth of her child. But what if
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someone's walking through that
journey right now? Would you
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count? The thing about
depression is that you want to
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secluded yourself. It's your
natural impulse to withdraw and
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to just deal with what you're
dealing with right now, it's so
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hard to explain to anyone
what's going on where you are.
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I honestly there was a
time where for about 2 weeks,
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unless the worse I couldn't
pray, I could hardly brush my
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hair and I have
toddlers to take care of.
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And that was a low point for
me. But I remember feeling in
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that moment that I just needed
to hold on to Jesus, even if I
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couldn't for a very much.
And then later, I read where
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Allan Whyte says that if
you're in pain or if you're
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struggling, don't think
too much about it. Just let
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yourself go in. The arms of
cheese is just rest and ham.
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He understands. And so that
carried me through that dark
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time I could and fix myself
had a very supportive has spent.
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He could not necessarily
understand what I was going
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through.
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But town.
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Sometimes you don't
have anyone besides God,
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just praying. Even if you
can pray, just hold on to him.
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There is that tomorrow it does
get better. You know, Neil Net
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lease book Depression the
way out as you and a big help to
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good retailer natural ways, too.
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In my circumstances where
I couldn't go to a counselor,
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I couldn't get any kind of
intervention. Really. I'm just
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taking care of your health
and making sure you get that
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sunshine and exercise
and rest that you need
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over the years that has helped
so much. And today, I honestly
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I cannot say that I am in
the cycle of depression at all.
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Now I my heart goes out to
people who are caught in this
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and there is some intervention
necessary. And I praise the
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lord that he does provide
for people according to their
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circumstances and their needs.
And then I love that cool.
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You referenced from Ellen,
why I actually have that written
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down and I quote it sometimes,
you know, that you can rest in
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the arms of Jesus. That
is beautiful. And I think
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sometimes people think, well,
because I'm a certain person,
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I'm a jail leading 3ABN, I
have to always be able to keep
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myself together and perform
or I am Antoinette leading a
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school in missionary.
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And I think we need to be real
that we are on the front lines
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and we deal with things with
that and eventually just become
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a little bit much. And we
have moments where we are very
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vulnerable are we are undone,
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but God is so faithful got
Kerry says Tom 10103 says he's
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a father. He he says he
has tender mercy on us casinos,
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we our desk. So I don't think
we have to clean too, putting
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up a performance or and
upholding an image. I think
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when we can be real then got
his glory 5 because we are all
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his precious
children before him.
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>> A man that's so powerful.
Thank you for sharing that
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Antoinette. I think
authenticity and transparency
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not being afraid to be
vulnerable. All of those things
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are so powerful. Remember,
that's what really riveted me
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to your presentation
when you shared us. I was the
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authenticity and
transparency and that.
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>> And yet it's not easy in
before that talk. I was very
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nervous. I couldn't sleep
because I filed. I'm sharing
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with us very deeply personal
to me that I'm struggling with.
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And I did. And now that anyone
else could relate, really.
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And so I think that is part of
our journey. That can be tough.
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Sometimes. That's how much
do you share? How much are you
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authentic? So as to not
discourage others mission work,
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and then at the same time,
there is a blessing to being
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authentic because it can give
courage to someone else like,
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okay, I'm not the only one.
We are all human but look at
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how God is faithful. Look at
what a wonderful provider he is
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for us. I'm I'm taking notes as
you talk here and I'm making a
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list. I like this. The
surrender and the woman of God
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in leadership and that
surrender with your journey,
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the authentic and transparent
and be vulnerable not to be
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afraid to take that. And
I'm not naturally authentic and
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vulnerable. I think we all have
a past. I grew up being bullied
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at school and my personality
completely changed from being I
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remember in grade school.
It was my delight to make
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everyone laugh. I was the cloud
of the class. Believe it or
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not. But by the time I hit
highs school, I had completely
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changed to being very insecure,
feeling very bad about my
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parents and who
I am as a person.
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And I pray, Scott, that he is
taking me through a journey and
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I've come full circle where I'm
comfortable with him, how he's
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made me. And
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but, yes, I do remember feeling
very much an outsider. And so
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it's not natural for me to
want to the authentic. I am more
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private. And I think that's OK.
I also live in a culture where
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the differences are pointed out
all the time. If I go shopping,
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people comment and talk
about me and unfortunately, I
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understand everything
they're saying. So I've had to
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surrender all of that
constantly to the Lord and
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especially now in my position
as principal in a foreign
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country and not necessarily
having all the qualifications I
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need. It has put me on
this spot that has been very
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uncomfortable for me naturally.
But again, you know, Joe,
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and we put south aside and we
realize this is about something
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bigger than us.
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This is about God and his
faithfulness where we can put
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south aside for that moment,
then he can come in and it
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becomes about him and he can
use a cent to be a blessing to
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someone. I love that. Thank you.
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>> So let's fast forward 2
and a half years ago about I
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believe you stepped into
the leadership is the principal
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there. Tell us
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how that came about and
then we'll start walking to the
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jury.
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>> And so all these years,
I'm serving, you know, as a wife
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and a mother trying to
homeschool while Katie Peeping
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the house going and taking care
of many guests, you would feel
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like this is all my life
is about is just making Benson
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making another
meal. And, you know,
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that wasn't higher sum.
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It was it just it takes a
lot. And this is if there's any
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missionary ladies e listening
to me right now, I understand,
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you know,
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there's so much that revolves
around the home and a wife and
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it life is hard. It takes a lot
of energy just to live in the
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mission failed.
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But then 2 and a half years
ago, we ran into troubles in
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our special school for young
people who are at-risk young
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people who have not progressed
past greats 7 typically because
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of poverty or abuse.
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And I'm rather than leaving
them in their home surroundings
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to perpetuate the cycle
of poverty and delinquency.
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And we have brought them to
our school or they can study
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tuition-free with the the the
agreement that they will work
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to race down food and cooperate
with a program of learning
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agriculture and carpentry
and tailoring in the hopes that
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when they leave when they're
older and they're more able to
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take care of themselves, then
they will be fitted to support
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themselves.
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We had 2 principles that
unfortunately due to moral
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failures had to leave and
young people are very observant.
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They see when people are fake
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and hypocrisy. I think
it's one of the biggest factors
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contributing to our young
people, not having any interest
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or seriousness about
their walk with the Lord.
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So at the time it was very
difficult for us. Also to find
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a replacement,
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very few people really
understand what we believe
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about education estimate.
They have sent us that while
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academics are to be done very
well and thoroughly, it's not
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the end all fall. We
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focus on character and because
we want these young people to
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know their savior, we want them
to have an eternity to prepare
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for and to look forward to.
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And so to find someone that
really understood that it was
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willing to bring discipline
to the school and reform
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well, standing up to criticism
to their own people is very
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difficult to find.
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And at that time also for
us as foreigners to stay there,
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it was difficult to find the
necessary paperwork and permits
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to keep ourselves there.
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So the leadership looked to me
at the end and said, could you
00:20:14.74\00:20:18.05
please step in and manage
the school for us? Otherwise,
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you know, we don't see how it's
going to keep the school open.
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So the choice came to me
because God never force anyone
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into ministry.
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Do I take the school and try
what I can with God's help and
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keep it going because it
is a very special program.
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Where do I say no, lord, I I
still have 2 children at home
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and that's my first calling.
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So I spent time praying about
it. And the Lord impressed me
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that he's asking me to step in
and help the school. So I did.
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And I asked the leadership at
that time that it only be half
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the agreement
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because I still have told
run at home and that's how it
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started.
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>> What was going through your
mind at the time when you're
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trying to wrestle with making
that choice? Did you feel I
00:21:05.73\00:21:09.26
have experience I can step into
this leadership role or what
00:21:09.26\00:21:13.50
was in your mind at that time.
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>> Now, so I have no education
in the lines of education
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and side did not feel
qualified. But having been in
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leadership with my husband,
who was director of key dual
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emission for at
least 10 years before that
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keep it was very important
to me. And I have given my youth
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to that ministry and to see
a school shut down for lack of
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someone to take the leadership.
There was very hard for me also
00:21:39.79\00:21:44.20
to consider. And so it's a
little bit of a dilemma if you
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put your family before ministry
our ministry before your
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family. And I I didn't think it
has to be either or and so ice
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after praying. I did feel I
need to do what I can to keep
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the war going inside did accept
that. And like I said, I was
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asking that it only be half day
so that I can balance home and
00:22:01.65\00:22:04.95
family with the
needs of the ministry.
00:22:04.95\00:22:08.06
The reality is that because of
the amount of work that needed
00:22:08.06\00:22:11.29
to be done in school, it took
me away from home pretty much
00:22:11.29\00:22:13.80
full time. So my daughters had
to step in and kind of learn to
00:22:13.80\00:22:19.17
cook and around the home
which wasn't all bad. But your
00:22:19.17\00:22:21.97
mother's heart feels bad.
That COVID UT says you are
00:22:21.97\00:22:24.97
responsible far now on
the shoulders of the children.
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Did you feel guilty? I did.
Yes, very much. But I'm very
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open with my children as
well. We pray and I dislike
00:22:32.88\00:22:36.12
talk to them about it. And,
you know, I look for options.
00:22:36.12\00:22:39.09
I've never been able to have
house help because I'm more of
00:22:39.09\00:22:41.72
a private person that's like,
well, girls. Can we look for a
00:22:41.72\00:22:44.93
help or know mom and I look for
student missionary to come help
00:22:44.93\00:22:48.73
you with your school no longer.
So with the girls both saying
00:22:48.73\00:22:54.17
we've just kept going for
it. But there's been some tough
00:22:54.17\00:22:56.74
times. Obviously,
you know, our home
00:22:56.74\00:22:59.67
has been a place where I have
sought to be ministering from
00:22:59.67\00:23:03.18
our home that people can
come to our home, eat with us.
00:23:03.18\00:23:06.55
We have fellowship with us.
And of course, when I'm gone,
00:23:06.55\00:23:09.05
that has reduced. So there's
a little bit of guilt, too,
00:23:09.05\00:23:11.39
that my home, it's not so
welcoming anymore like it used
00:23:11.39\00:23:14.89
to be. But honestly, I
think there's different faces
00:23:14.89\00:23:18.33
different seasons that we move
through in life. And we just
00:23:18.33\00:23:21.30
have to trust the Lord that
00:23:21.30\00:23:23.26
my season right now is not
exactly the same like it was a
00:23:23.26\00:23:26.10
few years ago. I can still
minister, even if it's just in
00:23:26.10\00:23:29.47
different ways right now. Yeah.
00:23:29.47\00:23:31.94
>> Listening to talk. I was
thinking I think part of the
00:23:31.94\00:23:34.71
reason your story resonated
so much with me, ns. I is that
00:23:34.71\00:23:39.18
identify with a lot of
all. Remember, this is about
00:23:39.18\00:23:43.12
Internet journeys. So I'm
not hijacking that. Just briefly
00:23:43.12\00:23:46.49
remember stepping in to
leadership here at TV. And and
00:23:46.49\00:23:52.23
I remember being on my face
before God caught. I don't know
00:23:52.23\00:23:55.23
how to manage. I don't know
how to lead. I don't know what
00:23:55.23\00:23:58.73
decisions to make.
00:23:58.73\00:24:01.94
What if I do this and it's
the wrong one. And I made some
00:24:01.94\00:24:04.54
wrong decisions and then I have
to go back and say this wasn't
00:24:04.54\00:24:08.98
the right decision or I'm
sorry for this. So let's revisit
00:24:08.98\00:24:13.25
this. I remember we still have
a lot more people over to our
00:24:13.25\00:24:16.89
house. It would seem, you know,
that time of community and you
00:24:16.89\00:24:20.56
feel this is what a woman
should do, right? This was part
00:24:20.56\00:24:23.06
of my role is Craig's
wife and I loved that.
00:24:23.06\00:24:26.16
And now we don't because
we're so absorbed in busy in
00:24:26.16\00:24:29.13
ministry. And there's that,
Gil, I should be doing this and
00:24:29.13\00:24:32.37
God. So I understand
I resonate with that in
00:24:32.37\00:24:36.20
going back to God. What is
my season right now and what
00:24:36.20\00:24:39.81
turning to have me on right now
00:24:39.81\00:24:42.11
speaking stepping into
that role. There are a lot of
00:24:42.11\00:24:46.48
I don't know the word here, but
transitional shifts may be that
00:24:46.48\00:24:50.65
needed to take place with
the education and the program.
00:24:50.65\00:24:54.42
What were some of the changes
that you made stepping into?
00:24:54.42\00:24:57.49
>> So just coming back to
previous questions to answer
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completely, no, I did not feel
qualified. I did not have the
00:25:00.06\00:25:03.16
right qualifications,
00:25:03.16\00:25:05.03
but I had a heart for what
needed to happen. And I think
00:25:05.03\00:25:09.90
that's our first qualification
right there for you is if we
00:25:09.90\00:25:13.88
have Hart for God's work in his
honor is first, we cannot bear
00:25:13.88\00:25:18.18
to see his work suffer. I
think that's that's our first
00:25:18.18\00:25:21.72
qualification right
there and then being willing to
00:25:21.72\00:25:24.52
sacrifice. I don't talk about
00:25:24.52\00:25:27.92
uninformed sacrifice. I'm
not talking about a sacrifice to
00:25:27.92\00:25:30.99
disperse. Just we shouldn't
sacrifice our children. Our
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children is first on our
priority, but there is a fine
00:25:34.20\00:25:37.77
balance where our homes
can become. So exclusive, the
00:25:37.77\00:25:41.60
ministry doesn't happen
from our homes. And this was not
00:25:41.60\00:25:44.07
God's design either.
Yes, so then that's the second
00:25:44.07\00:25:47.88
qualification is being willing
to sacrifice that time with
00:25:47.88\00:25:50.95
your children with your husband
that you would ideally want to
00:25:50.95\00:25:53.95
protect, then I would say
stepping into that role that
00:25:53.95\00:25:57.89
got us asked you to be able
to pray to pray and ask him to
00:25:57.89\00:26:01.76
help you because
00:26:01.76\00:26:03.29
you don't always know what
you're going to do and you are
00:26:03.29\00:26:05.39
going to make mistakes by
prayer. I found is what carried
00:26:05.39\00:26:09.03
me. It was then got can come
in and God can work through us.
00:26:09.03\00:26:13.10
Number 4, I would say I have to
learn more to be humble through
00:26:13.10\00:26:16.91
the years.
00:26:16.91\00:26:19.77
You have to ask for forgiveness
to your staff when you have
00:26:19.77\00:26:23.01
done or said something that
it's not right. And it's not.
00:26:23.01\00:26:26.95
>> The most pleasant thing that
always easy. And I think some
00:26:26.95\00:26:30.09
people are.
00:26:30.09\00:26:31.52
>> Trade of asking for
forgiveness, thinking that they
00:26:31.52\00:26:33.42
are now makes you appear weak
or you might think that that
00:26:33.42\00:26:36.46
they're not going to respect
anymore. But I have found that
00:26:36.46\00:26:39.09
when you are willing to be
humble and come and sit down
00:26:39.09\00:26:41.83
and say, you know what, guys,
I messed up here and I'm sorry,
00:26:41.83\00:26:45.53
this is what was going on.
00:26:45.53\00:26:47.34
People actually have more
respect for you after that
00:26:47.34\00:26:49.47
because then they realize that
you value them enough. Yeah,
00:26:49.47\00:26:53.11
that there's a real
team spirit going on here.
00:26:53.11\00:26:57.18
So there's been a lot of
growth that happens as well in
00:26:57.18\00:27:00.65
leadership. So I see now that
it's not just about me stepping
00:27:00.65\00:27:03.89
in and helping the school,
but it's possible as chaotic as
00:27:03.89\00:27:06.99
he's been that God needed me to
grow. God needs to work on me.
00:27:06.99\00:27:10.93
So this process was also for me.
00:27:10.93\00:27:13.90
>> I love that. It's not
just for other people are gone,
00:27:13.90\00:27:17.03
maybe calling you to step into
some area. But it's for me just
00:27:17.03\00:27:20.44
as much.
00:27:20.44\00:27:21.80
>> Yeah, people tend to
think missionaries have it all
00:27:21.80\00:27:23.34
together and that's why
they go to the mission failed 9.
00:27:23.34\00:27:25.87
Now we all have to be healed.
We all are in the process where
00:27:25.87\00:27:30.21
God is working on ice.
And as he's working with us in
00:27:30.21\00:27:33.11
specific circumstances, and if
we can share with those around
00:27:33.11\00:27:36.89
us, then that's what
he's calling us to win.
00:27:36.89\00:27:39.89
>> And I'd love that,
00:27:39.89\00:27:43.36
OK? So
00:27:43.36\00:27:44.86
you transition some
things there at the school. I'm
00:27:44.86\00:27:48.70
thinking more time with Bible
study that agriculture training
00:27:48.70\00:27:53.30
program talked to us about that.
00:27:53.30\00:27:54.80
>> So when I came into the
situation 2 and a half years
00:27:54.80\00:27:57.37
ago, we had young people at the
school who are not interested
00:27:57.37\00:28:00.64
in agriculture at all. And
this is an agriculture training
00:28:00.64\00:28:03.55
school, especially for
young people. You have very few
00:28:03.55\00:28:06.72
options left at this
point. And so one of the first
00:28:06.72\00:28:10.05
decisions I had to make was
to change the program, take away
00:28:10.05\00:28:13.25
all the extra things that
were luring young people there.
00:28:13.25\00:28:16.52
And so when I trim that away
and we brought discipline back,
00:28:16.52\00:28:20.26
holding them accountable
now and being consistent in our
00:28:20.26\00:28:22.83
discipline, a lot of students
did drop out of the program.
00:28:22.83\00:28:26.47
We went from 100 and 12
students down to 52. 0, wow.
00:28:26.47\00:28:31.71
That was a very big
cut. And you mention doubting
00:28:31.71\00:28:34.78
yourself questioning, did I do
the right thing? I went through
00:28:34.78\00:28:37.48
that law. Did I make the right
decision? And what if this all
00:28:37.48\00:28:41.12
turns out to be a big mess?
But, you know, when you have
00:28:41.12\00:28:44.05
prayed,
00:28:44.05\00:28:45.29
you have to let God work
at some point to swell and
00:28:45.29\00:28:48.96
not be so overwhelmed with
questioning yourself all the
00:28:48.96\00:28:51.59
time. And so I pray,
Scott, that today the school is
00:28:51.59\00:28:54.46
running at full capacity again.
And the students are busy.
00:28:54.46\00:28:57.20
They know that here they are
here to learn agriculture and
00:28:57.20\00:29:01.27
other subjects.
00:29:01.27\00:29:03.64
You know, for me, it has been
a little bit easy as a foreigner
00:29:03.64\00:29:06.64
to stand up and bring discipline
00:29:06.64\00:29:09.11
because I have found that
people in their own culture a
00:29:09.11\00:29:13.05
much more sensitive to peer
pressure, the criticism from
00:29:13.05\00:29:16.79
their own people. But for
me to make a decision and say,
00:29:16.79\00:29:20.79
guys, this is what
I feel we need to do.
00:29:20.79\00:29:23.56
It's easier to reflect the
blame on me then and I'm okay
00:29:23.56\00:29:27.13
with that. I'm not necessarily
all the time that in certain
00:29:27.13\00:29:31.20
situations I can take the
blame and say, OK, I've made the
00:29:31.20\00:29:34.57
decision. This is what we need
to do. And it's OK if you blame
00:29:34.57\00:29:37.77
me. So I think leadership
requires us to be able to
00:29:37.77\00:29:42.74
criticism, which is not natural
to any of us. But I think when
00:29:42.74\00:29:47.28
we're hitting crisis well, we
can honestly search our hearts
00:29:47.28\00:29:51.15
and say, Lord, what did I
do wrong? What did I say? That
00:29:51.15\00:29:54.06
wasn't so kind and then try to
make right what we see. We have
00:29:54.06\00:29:57.99
that. But if we haven't
00:29:57.99\00:30:00.80
obviously done something wrong,
but we have made a decision
00:30:00.80\00:30:04.43
that has had effects are
consequences. I think we can
00:30:04.43\00:30:06.94
leave that with the Lord and
say, yes, the criticism doesn't
00:30:06.94\00:30:10.01
feel good right now. But
honestly in my conscience
00:30:10.01\00:30:12.81
before God right now, I have
made the decision that I felt
00:30:12.81\00:30:15.38
needed to be made
00:30:15.38\00:30:16.88
and often later is when you
can see okay, that was the right
00:30:16.88\00:30:20.25
decision at that time even
if it wasn't very pleasant.
00:30:20.25\00:30:23.32
>> Yeah. Speaking
of criticism, I know
00:30:23.32\00:30:28.19
this isn't always
true. This could be an over
00:30:28.19\00:30:30.46
generalization. But
00:30:30.46\00:30:32.13
and by and large, many
times women tend to be more
00:30:32.13\00:30:35.10
sensitive. It doesn't mean
they're always more. There are
00:30:35.10\00:30:37.57
some women who are very
strong, but women would be more
00:30:37.57\00:30:40.67
sensitive. So
00:30:40.67\00:30:42.17
what would you say to someone
who is dealing with criticism
00:30:42.17\00:30:45.07
right now, maybe in their home?
Maybe there has been it's very
00:30:45.07\00:30:48.01
critical or maybe there dealing
with the situation at work
00:30:48.01\00:30:51.55
where they're feeling
like they're very criticized.
00:30:51.55\00:30:53.68
And on the flip side, hopefully
I'm not putting too much in
00:30:53.68\00:30:56.25
this question. On the flip
side, I think sometimes we can
00:30:56.25\00:31:00.36
be over sensitive and
the criticism might be justly
00:31:00.36\00:31:04.36
deserved or maybe it could been
given in a different fashion.
00:31:04.36\00:31:08.16
But
00:31:08.16\00:31:09.70
we become oversensitive and we
might even hide behind that as
00:31:09.70\00:31:12.23
women. I'm just sensitive.
So maybe talk to both sides of
00:31:12.23\00:31:16.04
that because
there's a balance there.
00:31:16.04\00:31:17.97
>> And the book of Hebrews
talks about considering Jesus
00:31:17.97\00:31:21.38
who unjustly
suffered a lot of criticism
00:31:21.38\00:31:25.15
unless we become we read
and they give up the bottle.
00:31:25.15\00:31:28.88
So I think God created us us
ladies to be very in touch with
00:31:28.88\00:31:33.12
our emotions and our feelings.
Fish, a sensitivity there to
00:31:33.12\00:31:36.42
pick up on needs of people are
feeling of something, doesn't
00:31:36.42\00:31:39.93
look or feel right. But it's
true that the more center we
00:31:39.93\00:31:43.47
are around ourselves the way
more sensitive to criticism we
00:31:43.47\00:31:46.84
are going to be so I think
being hit in the Lord's Day by
00:31:46.84\00:31:51.14
day spending time in his words,
the first line of defense,
00:31:51.14\00:31:54.24
too
00:31:54.24\00:31:55.18
better judgment,
but then also better
00:31:55.18\00:31:58.21
reflection and acceptance
of criticism when it comes.
00:31:58.21\00:32:02.62
You know, if you have been
blessed with a husband that can
00:32:02.62\00:32:04.65
pray with you, the cans
00:32:04.65\00:32:06.45
worship with you, then when the
criticisms come, you can rest
00:32:06.45\00:32:09.39
and that love that. It's a
constructive criticism. It's
00:32:09.39\00:32:12.19
not meant to break you down.
00:32:12.19\00:32:14.03
I imagine they are people
living with constant criticism
00:32:14.03\00:32:18.03
that are not tests that
are not to start. And I can not
00:32:18.03\00:32:20.80
specifically speak to that
because I have not had to walk
00:32:20.80\00:32:24.41
that road very much myself.
00:32:24.41\00:32:26.64
But again, what comes to my
mind is that he says in stance
00:32:26.64\00:32:30.48
hiding ourselves in hand,
you can give us clarity. He can
00:32:30.48\00:32:34.45
counsel asked, he can show
us what is true and what's not
00:32:34.45\00:32:38.49
true. They're wonderful
resources as well on emotional
00:32:38.49\00:32:42.19
and cognitive thinking thinking
we might university the work
00:32:42.19\00:32:45.86
that they're doing there with
Doctor Neal and Lee is such a
00:32:45.86\00:32:48.16
huge resource for people to
help clarify their thinking.
00:32:48.16\00:32:51.43
Their thoughts. There's tools
out there also on team work.
00:32:51.43\00:32:55.04
I think in a team the more
trust there isn't a teen and
00:32:55.04\00:32:58.41
more when criticism come out,
you can take it like this is
00:32:58.41\00:33:01.88
constructive. This is where
I need to change that when the
00:33:01.88\00:33:05.35
teams broke in and then,
you know, you don't know if
00:33:05.35\00:33:08.42
criticism comes from the heart
of love or from the heart of
00:33:08.42\00:33:12.25
motives that are not up
here. That becomes much more
00:33:12.25\00:33:15.02
challenging. So I would say
if you can have a team work on
00:33:15.02\00:33:18.56
your team, built your team
so that when that's times of
00:33:18.56\00:33:21.23
criticism, Com, you can filter
it more accurately. That's very
00:33:21.23\00:33:24.83
important. And then of course,
having a family environment
00:33:24.83\00:33:27.77
where you can bounce off each
other and get a good feedback.
00:33:27.77\00:33:32.84
And then of course, your
personal daily time with the
00:33:32.84\00:33:35.48
Lord is vital to help you
manage and cope with criticism.
00:33:35.48\00:33:39.78
>> I love that. That's
powerful. I like the concept of
00:33:39.78\00:33:41.92
teen, whether it's at work or
at church or in the home circle
00:33:41.92\00:33:46.52
having that team building being
able to balance off of others.
00:33:46.52\00:33:49.59
I know my husband, Greg and I
talk all the time. It's such a
00:33:49.59\00:33:52.43
blessing to have a cough, a
spouse be able to work together
00:33:52.43\00:33:55.76
with that and the more you no,
the person loves you have the
00:33:55.76\00:33:59.30
more you can feel confident
that whatever they say is not
00:33:59.30\00:34:03.20
coming from a place of
negativity for the place a lot.
00:34:03.20\00:34:06.07
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:06.07\00:34:08.88
So the students, let's
talk some about the students.
00:34:08.88\00:34:12.95
I don't know. Maybe we can
share a story from one of the
00:34:12.95\00:34:15.75
students. I don't know which
one you want to start with,
00:34:15.75\00:34:18.12
but and their journey because
this talks about how God led
00:34:18.12\00:34:21.36
you in this process of
leadership with those difficult
00:34:21.36\00:34:24.99
decisions that you
face on a day-to-day basis.
00:34:24.99\00:34:28.26
>> So we have boys and
girls from very different
00:34:28.26\00:34:31.00
backgrounds,
different experiences
00:34:31.00\00:34:34.27
being a foreigner. They're not
going to just come up to me and
00:34:34.27\00:34:37.51
especially being the principle.
They're not just going to come
00:34:37.51\00:34:39.61
up to me and introduce
themselves and let's get to
00:34:39.61\00:34:41.81
know each other better.
00:34:41.81\00:34:43.41
So they generally tend to
avoid me a little bit in the
00:34:43.41\00:34:45.91
beginning. But my effort to get
come close to them to love for
00:34:45.91\00:34:50.35
them to spend time with them,
especially knowing the language
00:34:50.35\00:34:53.32
is a big help to break
down some of those barriers.
00:34:53.32\00:34:56.42
And as you get to know them,
you start realizing they do
00:34:56.42\00:34:59.13
have different stories. I
shared recently the story about
00:34:59.13\00:35:01.93
staff,
00:35:01.93\00:35:03.06
one of our new students who's
also physically smaller than
00:35:03.06\00:35:06.77
most of our boy students and
how he just came into my office
00:35:06.77\00:35:11.77
in the very first week of thing
at school and asked me if I
00:35:11.77\00:35:15.31
permit students to just
beat up on each other. And
00:35:15.31\00:35:18.55
>> it surprised me so much that
he was so great to just coming
00:35:18.55\00:35:22.08
off the sting straight from me.
00:35:22.08\00:35:24.12
And I said, no, of course we
don't. But I will look into it.
00:35:24.12\00:35:27.89
Turns out the boy who
was beating up on him was an
00:35:27.89\00:35:30.66
orphan. One of my senior
students that I support he
00:35:30.66\00:35:35.23
would work for me on Sundays,
too, support in South a little
00:35:35.23\00:35:38.30
bit. But he's also supporting
2 of his younger siblings and so
00:35:38.30\00:35:42.84
on asked him. And I said what
I did. Yeah, I asked a senior
00:35:42.84\00:35:46.64
student. I sit
00:35:46.64\00:35:47.84
have you beaten anyone lately?
And he said, I'm not this week,
00:35:47.84\00:35:52.01
madam.
00:35:52.01\00:35:53.42
And I know I you sure any
thought about it a little bit
00:35:53.42\00:35:57.29
more. And he said, well,
it was just a little stick.
00:35:57.29\00:36:00.46
And, you know, sometimes
you just have to smile inside.
00:36:00.46\00:36:03.19
You can smile in the
moment because it is a serious
00:36:03.19\00:36:05.99
situation. And I kept pressing
a little bit. And then he
00:36:05.99\00:36:09.06
became quite indignant.
And he's like, well, Madame,
00:36:09.06\00:36:11.43
he eats like a pig, have no
manners. And so I had to teach
00:36:11.43\00:36:14.87
in some matters. So
little things like that.
00:36:14.87\00:36:19.11
But Seth turned out to have
some health issues handed up in
00:36:19.11\00:36:23.71
the hospital during the spring
break and didn't come back to
00:36:23.71\00:36:26.31
school. And so when I get some
further inquiry, I found out
00:36:26.31\00:36:30.12
that it was in the hospital
not receiving treatments or any
00:36:30.12\00:36:32.79
testing. Sometimes,
unfortunately, people are being
00:36:32.79\00:36:36.22
bribed to receive services.
00:36:36.22\00:36:40.20
So I was able to bring him back
to school. I'm very thankful
00:36:40.20\00:36:43.97
for people who believe
in keeping to land that has
00:36:43.97\00:36:46.47
financially helped me to
be able to help these young
00:36:46.47\00:36:48.97
people.
00:36:48.97\00:36:50.14
So I was able to take him to
a large hospital to get tested.
00:36:50.14\00:36:54.01
May cause sickle cell anemia is
in their family. And staff has
00:36:54.01\00:36:57.88
already lost 2 of his older
sibling. So the one passed away
00:36:57.88\00:37:01.35
just a week before himself
ended up in the hospital.
00:37:01.35\00:37:04.59
And unfortunately, he tested
positive as well. And so for
00:37:04.59\00:37:08.09
me, in my experience, not even
really knowing with sickle cell
00:37:08.09\00:37:11.23
anemia was now I have to make
a decision to I just send him
00:37:11.23\00:37:14.86
home
00:37:14.86\00:37:16.10
because they face at home.
You know, the nutrition is very
00:37:16.10\00:37:19.63
little did the poverty.
00:37:19.63\00:37:22.00
It's not going to help him at
all. But I don't necessarily in
00:37:22.00\00:37:24.91
our remote situation
have a better solution.
00:37:24.91\00:37:28.81
So after talking to Seth, you
know, he was just like no way
00:37:28.81\00:37:32.41
is he going home? He staying
at school and I praise the Lord.
00:37:32.41\00:37:35.65
We have a wellness center at QB
do allow where we have someone
00:37:35.65\00:37:39.12
who was trained at Wildwood
in Georgia and she has been
00:37:39.12\00:37:42.59
working with us and we have
him natural remedies. We have
00:37:42.59\00:37:48.03
different powders that we mix
together for teas to help build
00:37:48.03\00:37:51.47
taste a new system, some height
or therapy, to try and help
00:37:51.47\00:37:55.60
facilitate the blood
flow, building his blood.
00:37:55.60\00:37:58.34
>> And so he's doing really
well. What's his prognosis
00:37:58.34\00:38:01.98
doing all this?
00:38:01.98\00:38:03.21
>> You know, with a lack of
medical care that we have in
00:38:03.21\00:38:05.65
our immediate area, we don't
know exactly. But he's doing
00:38:05.65\00:38:08.98
well. He took they just advise
us to take care of the moments
00:38:08.98\00:38:12.19
when he is in crisis and
in pain and let him rest and
00:38:12.19\00:38:15.36
stuff like that. But yes,
Fs one example of students with
00:38:15.36\00:38:18.69
different needs that I've
had to learn to deal with and
00:38:18.69\00:38:22.46
encourage them. And if we
had send Seth's home, what hope
00:38:22.46\00:38:26.40
would he have? Yeah, you know,
but here at school, he's busy.
00:38:26.40\00:38:29.57
He has his friends. He's
learning about, he says and
00:38:29.57\00:38:32.21
he's happy he's
far as I can tell.
00:38:32.21\00:38:34.34
>> The man talk to us about
the girls and there's a lot of
00:38:34.34\00:38:39.55
challenges there with the
culture in Tanzania and how
00:38:39.55\00:38:43.08
you're seeking to offer
protection there at the school.
00:38:43.08\00:38:46.49
>> So I learned that during
the 2012 cents is wanted to the
00:38:46.49\00:38:51.93
statistics show that 10 Xenia
has one of the highest teenage
00:38:51.93\00:38:55.46
pregnancy rates in the world,
which was a revelation to me.
00:38:55.46\00:38:59.63
Now it's 10 years later and the
new census was done last year.
00:38:59.63\00:39:03.27
I don't have the
latest figures on that.
00:39:03.27\00:39:05.84
And I know a lot of education
efforts from the government has
00:39:05.84\00:39:09.11
taken place to minimize that.
00:39:09.11\00:39:11.55
But that was one of the reasons
our school was started in 2004
00:39:11.55\00:39:15.85
is to help these young people,
especially the girls to have 3
00:39:15.85\00:39:19.12
and a half more years of
protection. So they can mature
00:39:19.12\00:39:22.89
so that when they leave,
they can take care of themselves
00:39:22.89\00:39:25.29
better and be safe.
00:39:25.29\00:39:27.13
Unfortunately, a lot of
these girls are not necessarily
00:39:27.13\00:39:30.30
promiscuous and themselves
looking in to get into trouble,
00:39:30.30\00:39:33.64
but because of poverty and
promises of older people to
00:39:33.64\00:39:37.61
them that I can help you
succeed, I can help you finish
00:39:37.61\00:39:41.14
school, lures them into
situations where they are
00:39:41.14\00:39:45.05
compromised and put
into danger. They're taking
00:39:45.05\00:39:47.48
advantage of. Yes.
00:39:47.48\00:39:51.12
So I've had last year I
had 2 of my new students. Com.
00:39:51.12\00:39:55.56
One was already pregnant when
she came. She didn't want to
00:39:55.56\00:39:58.46
learn about agriculture.
She wanted to be a teacher,
00:39:58.46\00:40:01.46
but her parents said, no,
we are not going to send you to
00:40:01.46\00:40:04.67
school to become a teacher,
even though she had good grades
00:40:04.67\00:40:07.40
and the government had selected
her to become a teacher.
00:40:07.40\00:40:10.44
And so when a young man who
operate a taxi offered to pay
00:40:10.44\00:40:14.91
for her school and
00:40:14.91\00:40:17.71
exchange for some of her
services, it became a trap to
00:40:17.71\00:40:20.62
her.
00:40:20.62\00:40:21.75
And so not only did she know
loose the support for parents
00:40:21.75\00:40:24.62
and the future to be a teacher,
but now she's a young mother.
00:40:24.62\00:40:27.86
We try to figure out how we
can help or we try to offer to
00:40:27.86\00:40:31.56
teach err on the side some
necessary life skills. But in
00:40:31.56\00:40:36.13
the end, it's the parents,
right? And they requested that
00:40:36.13\00:40:38.63
she come home. I have to say
that I'm very appreciative of
00:40:38.63\00:40:41.77
the government's efforts
to follow up now with the men
00:40:41.77\00:40:44.14
responsible
00:40:44.14\00:40:45.54
to hold them accountable
for what they are doing to these
00:40:45.54\00:40:48.34
young girls.
00:40:48.34\00:40:49.41
>> I was just going to ask
that. What does the culture
00:40:49.41\00:40:51.41
there like? Is it when
something like this happens?
00:40:51.41\00:40:54.05
And it's an older man
takes advantage of a young,
00:40:54.05\00:40:56.72
vulnerable girl. DA. Is the
culture such that the man would
00:40:56.72\00:41:01.06
be blamed or the
woman? The girl? No woman.
00:41:01.06\00:41:04.03
>> And the girl could not go
and accuse an elder in public
00:41:04.03\00:41:07.20
to say that he had found
that for her. I think things are
00:41:07.20\00:41:09.83
slowly starting to change
around where it's becoming more
00:41:09.83\00:41:12.50
acceptable and the man will
be prosecuted, especially if the
00:41:12.50\00:41:15.54
parents become involved.
00:41:15.54\00:41:17.41
But if the parents are
not involved, if the child is
00:41:17.41\00:41:19.87
raised by a grand parent, it
become so much more challenging
00:41:19.87\00:41:23.48
and difficult to hold anyone
accountable. That's so very
00:41:23.48\00:41:26.28
difficult. You have experience.
I'm trying to remember there
00:41:26.28\00:41:28.45
was a boy and girl both in
trouble if their school talk to
00:41:28.45\00:41:31.39
us about that. So we accept
young people from the between
00:41:31.39\00:41:35.26
the ages of 14 to 18. That
means if they're 18 and they
00:41:35.26\00:41:38.53
stay with us for 3 and a
half years there. 22 going on.
00:41:38.53\00:41:41.16
23 by the time they leave.
00:41:41.16\00:41:43.47
But they are still very
vulnerable by age 18. So we do
00:41:43.47\00:41:47.14
accept them up until age 18.
So last year a young man came
00:41:47.14\00:41:51.21
to us and he was 18 years old.
00:41:51.21\00:41:54.31
But he had only progress and
to great who in his education
00:41:54.31\00:41:58.15
home. And so he his name
means blessing in the English
00:41:58.15\00:42:03.79
language.
00:42:03.79\00:42:04.89
And I want to believe that
when he was born, his parents
00:42:04.89\00:42:08.39
pound him to be a
blessing to their family. But
00:42:08.39\00:42:10.49
unfortunately, even in this
conservative culture where he
00:42:10.49\00:42:13.16
served more and more families
today are splitting up, which
00:42:13.16\00:42:16.70
is very unusual. And so he was
one of those little boys that
00:42:16.70\00:42:20.70
were being shuffled
from one home to the next.
00:42:20.70\00:42:23.57
And eventually he was out
on the streets. His education
00:42:23.57\00:42:26.44
stopping great, too.
00:42:26.44\00:42:28.31
And one day he found in south so
00:42:28.31\00:42:31.08
in despair that he was up in a
very high tree and he was going
00:42:31.08\00:42:35.12
to cast himself out of the
tree. He was just crying as if
00:42:35.12\00:42:38.02
his heart was
just completely broken.
00:42:38.02\00:42:40.66
Fortunately, he didn't do that.
And eventually he be friended
00:42:40.66\00:42:44.46
another young person that was
different from the other boys
00:42:44.46\00:42:47.20
on the street.
00:42:47.20\00:42:48.36
This young man started studying
the Bible with him and he was
00:42:48.36\00:42:51.47
baptized and he wants to
work for Jesus now. But as an 18
00:42:51.47\00:42:55.60
year-old with no
skills, right? How can he said
00:42:55.60\00:42:59.47
excuse me, how can we support
in south how to see tell others
00:42:59.47\00:43:02.81
about Jesus? And so when
he heard about our school, he
00:43:02.81\00:43:05.51
decided to apply
00:43:05.51\00:43:07.38
and he couldn't even fill
out the exam because, you know,
00:43:07.38\00:43:10.75
he's writing skills are limited.
00:43:10.75\00:43:13.12
But he did write a plea on
the exam paper. And he said,
00:43:13.12\00:43:16.22
Please, can you help me? I
never had an opportunity to
00:43:16.22\00:43:19.29
learn.
00:43:19.29\00:43:20.40
And Jill, I will never forget
one of my teachers when he
00:43:20.40\00:43:22.70
graded the paper with his
Red Pen road reply on the exam
00:43:22.70\00:43:26.53
paper. And he said for
sure, we will help you.
00:43:26.53\00:43:29.70
>> And I had a tear in my
eye when I saw that because
00:43:29.70\00:43:32.77
>> that is who we are. That's
what our school is about is to
00:43:32.77\00:43:35.71
helping the least of these.
And it reminds me of Jesus.
00:43:35.71\00:43:38.88
When Jesus looked at us,
he could see the world and
00:43:38.88\00:43:42.05
rebellion and soon an and stiff
neck at this. And you could
00:43:42.05\00:43:45.19
say, well, it's not
much I can do for them
00:43:45.19\00:43:48.29
that when Jesus looked at as
he saw our helplessness, he saw
00:43:48.29\00:43:51.76
that we couldn't save
ourselves. And he said, let me
00:43:51.76\00:43:54.76
go, let me give all
00:43:54.76\00:43:57.60
because it could change like
that song says it could change
00:43:57.60\00:44:01.14
the world. Yes, I'm very
thankful for Jesus who came to
00:44:01.14\00:44:04.07
rescue us tonight.
I think our school,
00:44:04.07\00:44:06.94
as all the other ministry said,
you have interviewing here at
00:44:06.94\00:44:09.74
03:00PM.
00:44:09.74\00:44:11.18
We are all in a broken world.
And everyone in our little
00:44:11.18\00:44:13.52
corner is doing what we can to
reach out to those who are the
00:44:13.52\00:44:16.42
least of these, to give them
a future and to give them hope.
00:44:16.42\00:44:19.99
So he came he was accepted.
But I have talked to him
00:44:19.99\00:44:23.29
before. And I said, you know,
00:44:23.29\00:44:25.53
you grew up on the
streets. Are school is a little
00:44:25.53\00:44:28.10
different and how how are you
can manage here? You're going
00:44:28.10\00:44:31.60
to be able to cooperate
or union of able to obey any.
00:44:31.60\00:44:34.87
It's like, Madam, if you
just give me a chance, I will
00:44:34.87\00:44:37.94
cooperate. So we accepted
him. And he was also very hard
00:44:37.94\00:44:41.91
worker, very hard worker.
And he did so well that after
00:44:41.91\00:44:45.28
one year he became a
student leader in the school.
00:44:45.28\00:44:48.78
But then bit by bit, we saw
a little bit of pride rising up
00:44:48.78\00:44:52.92
and him not so Beaty and
anymore, not cooperating so
00:44:52.92\00:44:56.56
well and the teachers with
counsel with him and advised
00:44:56.56\00:44:59.56
him.
00:44:59.56\00:45:00.96
But then one day he came into
my office and fell on his knees
00:45:00.96\00:45:04.47
in front of my desk with
tears pouring down his face,
00:45:04.47\00:45:07.27
confessing his Sen.
00:45:07.27\00:45:09.20
And I was trying to make sense
of what he was saying. And he
00:45:09.20\00:45:12.01
was basically saying that there
is this girl in our school and
00:45:12.01\00:45:15.48
I try to persuade her to
break the rules and go with me.
00:45:15.48\00:45:20.52
And fortunately students came
and discovered us and nothing
00:45:20.52\00:45:24.19
happened in Iran
00:45:24.19\00:45:26.12
and he's like Madam,
please read this Psalm of King.
00:45:26.12\00:45:29.22
David explains exactly the
remorse and guilt that I feel.
00:45:29.22\00:45:33.66
So at that point I sat down
with him. I went through the
00:45:33.66\00:45:37.20
gospel with him
again, reminding him that in
00:45:37.20\00:45:39.73
ourselves. We have nothing
good. Yeah. And that's one
00:45:39.73\00:45:43.07
thing that and a lot of
conservative cultures still
00:45:43.07\00:45:45.74
missing in sharing the gospel
as people think they have to
00:45:45.74\00:45:49.18
have in themselves what will
save them. They have to develop
00:45:49.18\00:45:52.65
in themselves what will
make them acceptable to God. And
00:45:52.65\00:45:55.75
when they do fail is a terrible
blow to them and they give up
00:45:55.75\00:45:59.32
and discouragement thinking
this thing is not for them
00:45:59.32\00:46:02.49
but reminding him that it
is Jesus. That's a says Jesus
00:46:02.49\00:46:05.83
parity, it's Jesus twist,
emits teaser. Sullivan just
00:46:05.83\00:46:09.10
righteousness gives us hope
00:46:09.10\00:46:11.33
that we can let go and trust
in hand to work in us to make us
00:46:11.33\00:46:15.04
pure, to make us to
what he wants us to be
00:46:15.04\00:46:18.41
praise to God. I praise the
Lord for giving me the language
00:46:18.41\00:46:22.88
skills. You know, it's a young
mother at home. My husband was
00:46:22.88\00:46:25.78
out and he was able to pick
up the language where it was
00:46:25.78\00:46:28.48
harder for me at
home to learn the language
00:46:28.48\00:46:32.05
leaving my home and putting me
in a situation like this state
00:46:32.05\00:46:35.39
today where I have to learn
the language to have to use it.
00:46:35.39\00:46:38.73
God also gives us that extra
glassing so that we think can
00:46:38.73\00:46:42.43
learn to fitness from ministry.
I was able to talk to him and
00:46:42.43\00:46:45.43
his language about the gospel.
00:46:45.43\00:46:47.17
>> That's powerful. I just want
to stop for one moment that so
00:46:47.17\00:46:50.14
powerful. I love what you said
about Jesus being the centre.
00:46:50.14\00:46:53.54
Yes, Christ our righteousness
and focusing that because I
00:46:53.54\00:46:57.78
think no matter what where we
are in leadership, if Jesus is
00:46:57.78\00:47:01.72
in the center, we can thank its
doctrines which doctrines are
00:47:01.72\00:47:04.92
important. Now
we can think it's.
00:47:04.92\00:47:06.86
>> Works or OS trying harder.
00:47:06.86\00:47:10.76
>> Gritting our teeth are
somehow doing something but it
00:47:10.76\00:47:13.93
goes back to Jesus.
That's powerful. Yeah.
00:47:13.93\00:47:17.93
>> But then I went to
the girl that was involved.
00:47:17.93\00:47:22.17
I asked her what happened.
00:47:22.17\00:47:24.37
And when she told me that he
grabbed her and tried to force
00:47:24.37\00:47:28.71
her, my blood is frozen mining.
And I was potentially now
00:47:28.71\00:47:33.31
dealing with something much
more serious, even criminal.
00:47:33.31\00:47:38.15
And again, I could feel my
inadequacy for this situation
00:47:38.15\00:47:41.32
lard. What do I do now? Help me.
00:47:41.32\00:47:45.89
So I went back to my
staff. We have a disciplinary
00:47:45.89\00:47:48.40
committee. I explain
to them what was going on
00:47:48.40\00:47:51.57
and we started investigating.
We ask many questions. I'm
00:47:51.57\00:47:55.30
trying to look at this thing
from all angles and we spent a
00:47:55.30\00:47:58.21
lot of time praying,
00:47:58.21\00:47:59.91
praise the Lord that in the and
after much probing both of them
00:47:59.91\00:48:04.68
confessed that they were
both provocatively acting toward
00:48:04.68\00:48:07.78
each other in the situation,
00:48:07.78\00:48:09.85
of course, with his background
growing up on the streets.
00:48:09.85\00:48:12.35
But also this young girl was
also physically abused by her
00:48:12.35\00:48:15.42
own father when
she was very young
00:48:15.42\00:48:17.83
and which is costs are also
2, unfortunately, lean a little
00:48:17.83\00:48:21.36
bit more towards pursuing.
I'm the opposite sex. And she
00:48:21.36\00:48:25.43
confessed that he never touched
or so he never grabbed her.
00:48:25.43\00:48:28.94
And she confessed that. And she
also said that she never cried
00:48:28.94\00:48:32.11
out for help.
00:48:32.11\00:48:33.41
So what we didn't and was I
have a habit at the school is
00:48:33.41\00:48:37.28
taking things back to the
school to the students, assist
00:48:37.28\00:48:40.08
in a learning opportunity
not to humiliate the students
00:48:40.08\00:48:42.78
involved, but I have prepared
them to take responsibility for
00:48:42.78\00:48:46.25
their actions because she had
already accused in the front of
00:48:46.25\00:48:49.52
the other students.
00:48:49.52\00:48:51.23
And so that was an opportunity
to talk to the student body and
00:48:51.23\00:48:54.10
to say
00:48:54.10\00:48:56.06
look at some different lessons.
But they both confessed their
00:48:56.06\00:48:58.50
part. We had to take away
his leadership position at that
00:48:58.50\00:49:02.37
time. And I had to suspend them
for a couple weeks to go home
00:49:02.37\00:49:05.57
and inform their parents.
Unfortunately, for the young
00:49:05.57\00:49:08.64
lady involved. She has left
the school. In the meantime,
00:49:08.64\00:49:12.68
which is very sad to me.
00:49:12.68\00:49:14.55
It was not our choice to
let her go. But she had already
00:49:14.55\00:49:17.85
been running away to meet with
her boyfriend in the village.
00:49:17.85\00:49:20.92
He's older. He's he's
an adult. She's only 16
00:49:20.92\00:49:24.23
and she gets paid for being
with him, which is against the
00:49:24.23\00:49:27.40
law.
00:49:27.40\00:49:28.83
We have launched a complaint
with the village government,
00:49:28.83\00:49:31.70
but he is running away. And so
the girl, we can't keep her at
00:49:31.70\00:49:35.77
the school against her will.
And so unfortunately, we had to
00:49:35.77\00:49:39.47
let her go. And it's very
sad for me because she doesn't
00:49:39.47\00:49:43.18
really have a safe
place to return to.
00:49:43.18\00:49:45.98
And I think that's the sad part
of our ministry, Jill, is that
00:49:45.98\00:49:49.75
we can do everything that
we can to help someone to save
00:49:49.75\00:49:53.29
them. But in the end, they have
to want to be help. They have
00:49:53.29\00:49:56.36
to want to be safe. And it
has reminded me of the great
00:49:56.36\00:49:59.23
controversy so much the Lord
Jesus Christ has given his life
00:49:59.23\00:50:03.73
to save anyone who will just
want to ask for it and believe
00:50:03.73\00:50:07.90
it. But so many because maybe
00:50:07.90\00:50:11.17
I don't know what
the reason could be, but
00:50:11.17\00:50:13.74
they don't want it. They don't
want his help and they walk
00:50:13.74\00:50:16.28
away from it. It breaks the
heart of God. It really does.
00:50:16.28\00:50:20.12
Now I praise and that he
doesn't give up. Even when
00:50:20.12\00:50:22.28
someone walks away, he will
keep working on them to lure
00:50:22.28\00:50:25.72
them back until they finally
have completely turned their
00:50:25.72\00:50:28.46
backs on him.
00:50:28.46\00:50:29.72
But yeah, working with kids
have often reminded me of the
00:50:29.72\00:50:32.63
great controversy.
00:50:32.63\00:50:33.96
>> And that's powerful. I
just want to let's put up the
00:50:33.96\00:50:36.33
website for Kim to do. All
right now at 3ABN, we believe
00:50:36.33\00:50:40.70
in the ministry of keeping
do law and what God is doing in
00:50:40.70\00:50:44.21
and through you and your
husband, Jason and the rest of
00:50:44.21\00:50:47.18
the team there in Cannes, India.
00:50:47.18\00:50:49.61
>> The website is keep
the doula Dot O R G. If you're
00:50:49.61\00:50:53.92
listening on the radio you
going to say how do I found
00:50:53.92\00:50:56.45
that? It's K I E B I D Hugh L
a kid. The doula dot org. If you
00:50:56.45\00:51:04.86
want more information about the
school or if you would like to
00:51:04.86\00:51:07.66
support what is happening
there? I know there's so many
00:51:07.66\00:51:11.93
needs there.
00:51:11.93\00:51:12.93
>> There is students who
are risk. I'm sure there's
00:51:12.93\00:51:15.97
sponsorship that's needed for
the students to maintain their
00:51:15.97\00:51:19.44
in the school and will
encourage you to pray for my
00:51:19.44\00:51:22.64
sister and 20 and the team
there and what God is calling
00:51:22.64\00:51:27.22
them and has called them to
do their. I wrote down to things
00:51:27.22\00:51:32.75
as you were talking about that
story and we're coming down to
00:51:32.75\00:51:35.22
the end of the first hour.
We'll take a break and we'll
00:51:35.22\00:51:36.96
come back with
more. But one thing was
00:51:36.96\00:51:40.43
dealing with other people's
choice. You talked about that
00:51:40.43\00:51:43.63
at the end of the difficulty
because the young lady had a
00:51:43.63\00:51:47.20
choice to make
and we cannot force.
00:51:47.20\00:51:50.44
So
00:51:50.44\00:51:52.17
how do you
00:51:52.17\00:51:54.21
what's the word released
yourself maybe from that guild
00:51:54.21\00:51:57.85
of when other
people make choices and
00:51:57.85\00:52:00.65
we're not responsible. Another
words in leadership. There are
00:52:00.65\00:52:03.92
many things we are responsible
for. And there's, as you
00:52:03.92\00:52:06.49
mentioned before, sometimes
we take the blame for those
00:52:06.49\00:52:09.32
mistakes and be humble
enough to admit those mistakes.
00:52:09.32\00:52:11.96
But then there's other times
where people make choices and
00:52:11.96\00:52:14.83
we can't control those choices.
So maybe impact that. A little
00:52:14.83\00:52:18.40
more talk to us about that.
00:52:18.40\00:52:20.67
>> Right. So when you're
working in a team setting,
00:52:20.67\00:52:23.10
it's very helpful rather
than you doing it by yourself.
00:52:23.10\00:52:25.77
So this is a lesson for U.S..
Leadership is not something
00:52:25.77\00:52:28.41
that you do it yourself and
leader without a team is not a
00:52:28.41\00:52:32.01
leader.
00:52:32.01\00:52:33.75
So when you work together with
your team in a situation like
00:52:33.75\00:52:37.79
this and as a team, you have
taken constructive steps to try
00:52:37.79\00:52:41.52
and redeem the girl to try and
redeem the situation. You have
00:52:41.52\00:52:44.49
to peel to the authorities.
You have appealed to the
00:52:44.49\00:52:47.03
parents. Those involved in the
and when that young girl makes
00:52:47.03\00:52:51.13
a decision to walk away.
The decision comes to me the
00:52:51.13\00:52:54.64
final decision. Do I keep or
at the school? Yeah, I do. I let
00:52:54.64\00:52:58.84
her go.
00:52:58.84\00:53:00.28
Now if she had a father that
was really interested in her
00:53:00.28\00:53:03.41
welfare, I would lean on
his opinion heavily and say what
00:53:03.41\00:53:06.78
would you like us to do now?
The father, obviously us one of
00:53:06.78\00:53:10.89
the big perpetrators in this
situation. So I had to go to
00:53:10.89\00:53:15.19
foster parent and the foster
parent is the one who had tried
00:53:15.19\00:53:19.26
all these years to keep
the girl in the school. And the
00:53:19.26\00:53:22.23
foster parent at this time said
we can't force or any more to
00:53:22.23\00:53:26.33
be here. And it's very sad
at that moment to let her go.
00:53:26.33\00:53:30.21
But at the same time, I know
who my certify know Jesus will
00:53:30.21\00:53:33.54
not let her go. So it's not
00:53:33.54\00:53:36.44
pleasant. It is sad,
00:53:36.44\00:53:38.75
but I don't feel guilty.
I think we have honestly for
00:53:38.75\00:53:42.05
years tried to do
what we can to help.
00:53:42.05\00:53:44.99
And now I just pray that
through life circumstances,
00:53:44.99\00:53:47.99
maybe life can teach or
something that we could end and
00:53:47.99\00:53:50.93
we'll bring her to the point
where she's going to be ready
00:53:50.93\00:53:53.16
to reach out to the Lord
and say, Lord, I can't anymore.
00:53:53.16\00:53:55.93
Yeah, I'm at the end of my
rope. But I remember what I
00:53:55.93\00:53:58.83
learned. I remember when I
saw and please help me. And so
00:53:58.83\00:54:03.14
that's my prayer for her.
I will not stop praying for.
00:54:03.14\00:54:05.97
>> A man name. And the other
thing that I jotted down that
00:54:05.97\00:54:09.18
come to mind when you're
sharing that story was the
00:54:09.18\00:54:11.61
compassion of the teacher who
wrote back on the test that the
00:54:11.61\00:54:15.52
young man, I think it was 18
when he applied to come to your
00:54:15.52\00:54:18.49
school and he just
really wanted to be there in the
00:54:18.49\00:54:21.66
compassion, the teacher.
Yes, we you all. We will help
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you. Do you think compassion is
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inherent?
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Do you think compassion
is learned? Is it developed
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through adversity? Is it just
a gift from God? How do we even
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develop compassion as leaders
for those who are under us?
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>> I think there are some
people in this world who are
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blessed with kind homes
and they could learn from their
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parents how to be kind. But I
think compassion is deeper than
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kindness. I think passion
comes from a heart that has
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experience Grace.
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You know, Mary and Simon comes
to my mind. Both of them were
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in need of grace. Both of them
received grace. Both of them
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were forgiven unconditionally.
But both of them did not
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necessarily
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see their guilt for what
it was. Both of them did not
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necessarily understand that.
Grayson, appreciate it. The
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same and therefore, the love
and compassion that flew from
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their hearts were different.
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And so I think compassion
is something that you learn.
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It comes from difficult times
learning that God is always
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there and that he's there for
me and he's going to be there
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for you. Compassion is
something that we do have to
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cultivate. We have to practice.
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Compassion is definitely not
something that we're born with.
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Naturally, I am.
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>> And I know it's not listed
as the fruit of the spirit,
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but I believe it is part of
that for this area because it
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is only the result of
Jesus Christ residing in them.
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All right. We're coming down
to the end of the first hour and
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we have a full second hour
coming up, some of my questions
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we haven't got, too will
have more stories, more of her,
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her journey. We're going to
talk about this balance between
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home and work and how we
balance that and ministry and
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the call of God. Are they
mutually exclusive or not?
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How do we get over if we feel
on qualified? How do we make
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decisions when faced in
leadership? What if God's
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calling the husband to a role?
But the wife feels like maybe
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she's not called to the mission
field are called. What are we
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supposed to do that? How
do we lead is woman in display
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strength, but yet the feminine
side of the character, the
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compassion, the softness, the
gray. So there's much more of
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antoinette's testimony and
story coming up the next hour
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from my notes from this first
hour as women in leadership
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were to be authentic, to
be surrendered, be vulnerable,
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be willing to step
forward when God calls you
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develop a heart for God
be willing to sacrifice,
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be humble and be willing to
apologize when you have made
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mistakes, be cancer assistant,
I think in our own life as well
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as in that administering
of discipline with others, be
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willing to accept the blame
when it's needed and keep Jesus
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as the center. I know there's
many more keys that you brought
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up, though. Those are just
the ones that I jotted down.
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No matter what God has called
you to do. You are leader you
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have influence in your home in
your community and your church
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at your workplace.
Stay with us. We'll be right
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