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>> Hi, I'm Sally Quinn, JD
Plan and we are so glad you're
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joining us for the first or
second out. Help Uber here for
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the first. I have a
quick disclaimer to make here.
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And our e-mail broadcaster
blast e-mail to announce this.
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I mentioned that righteousness
by faith rightly understood
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would absolutely get rid of
liberalism or legalism. Let me
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explain. I'm not talking
politics here. Yeah. Legalism
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is people who are true trying
to earn their way to heaven.
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Liberalism in the
Christian term is to think that
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Jesus died for me so that I can
live like the death. So that's
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what we're saying is if we
understand righteousness by
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faith, we see that there's
this today. It motivates S
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to walk and loving loyalty
and obedience to the white. So I
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apologize for that. If you're
just joining us, we have 3
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wonderful gifts tonight we're
having a rousing conversation.
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Yeah, we've got doctors, Bob
Hunsicker and Lindy and Brian
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Schwartz. We're so glad you
are here and we're just going to
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kick this off because I know
you've got. So how do you want
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to read this question place?
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>> Some advocates claim the
18 88 best, which is not very
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different from what
the reformers believed
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and the evangelicals believe
as the righteous about faith
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doctrine. Could you elaborate
plays? This is from Mike in
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Georgia, Lou.
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>> I think there's several
things we can say some things
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we've already said that.
But the part that does overlap
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with the reformers is
that what ticks happens in our
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experiences by faith.
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But we've addressed a couple
things that are difference.
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Number one, we emphasize
what God has done for the whole
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human race. That was
not something to the reforms
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emphasized. Their emphasis
is on when you believe this is
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what God does. But
if the message of sizes
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not just about got has already
done something for you before
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you believe it's on that basis
of what he's already done for
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every member of the human race
that we believe the reformers
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also didn't appreciate
that. When we experience faith,
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the faith of Jesus in our
lives, that's not just a book
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keeping thing that God
does often have. And, you know,
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billions of miles away
that something actually has a
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transformation of our heart,
no experience. So something
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changes within us when we
believe we become doers of the
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law. Yes, as opposed to just
having our record cleaned up,
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which is what the reforms we've
the records cleaned up. That's
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fine.
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But justification by faith
is actually change of heart.
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Something new happens says
as second teams of 5 says if any
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man be in Christ nuke, he's a
new creature world, but he's a
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new creature. He's not the
same person anymore. Things are
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passed away. Behold, all things
are becoming, too. Yes, that's
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definitely transformational
experience, not just a
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bookkeeping issue. The God
dealt with them and help a man.
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And we have a quote that we'd
like to to bring up related to
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the 18 80's.
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>> Messages found in
testimonies to ministers.
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And we just want to kind
of read through this. Quote,
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it really highlights the
difference between the the
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reformation and the reformers
will wonderful. They did a
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wonderful job. But let's just
read through these these quotes
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all the way service. Let me
start you off and then we can
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go around to the Lord in
his greatness. She sent a most
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precious message to his people
to elders, EJ wagga and A T
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Jones. This message was to
bring more prominently before
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the loot. The uplifted save you
the sacrifice for the sins of
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the whole world.
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>> Yeah. Let me just make
2 points about about that.
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Quote, number one, she didn't
just say it was a message from
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God. She didn't even just
say was a precious message.
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She said it was a most precious
message. She only uses that
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phrase twice on ratings.
Only twice, millions and
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millions of workers only
were twice. I want to win. The
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second one was. But the
most precious message identified
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with what 8 he joins. A duet
were saying back in that era.
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Such a critical point. Number
2, if we want to say we start
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of a what is the ha
message when L white defines 18
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message, she defines it first
and foremost as the uplifting
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savior, the sacrifice for
the sins of the whole world.
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So when she defines UT message,
the first thing she calls our
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attention to is the cross of
Christ as a sacrifice for the
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sins, not of the believe
are only but the second race for
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the sun to the whole world.
So that's what she defines the
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2 message against him
in critical point of view.
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>> So this next part of
that same quote, is it presented
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justification through faith
in the search. He invited the
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people to receive the
righteousness of Christ,
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which is made manifest
in obedience to all the
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commandments of God.
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>> And so clearly, you know, we
can see we begin the can begin
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to see a difference between
what this message did and what
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the reformers didn't. It
invited the people to receive
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the righteousness of Christ was
mailed, which isn't. This makes
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them obedient to all the
Commandments of God. So the
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intent of the justifying
experience that we get through
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the uplifted Seaview
accompanying that is obedience,
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the goodness of God.
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>> Users to repentance and
also leads us to to obedience
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another way of saying in regard
to that question to the red
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regards, the reformers,
they would agree that that that
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phase brings the righteous
of Christ. But it brings it as a
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covering up of sense,
not making one obedient, all
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commands of God. And that's
a distinction between reformers
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view just preached by these.
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>> And a TV first buy faith.
I think that's illustrative
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really well. And Zechariah
chapter 3 that was quashed with
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a high priest is standing
before the lard and he's
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worried his filthy garments.
Sometimes we have the picture
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that Chris just presses
roller ISIS around the filthy
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garments. But
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in this example, he removes the
filthy garments and then cover
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some of righteousness Thursday
transformation that takes place
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that actually causes us
from our sun produces the
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righteousness of Christ
mad. You know the word in that
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quote.
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>> Surety, I just love
you. Jay says came to 7.22. says
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that Jesus is the sure T of the
covenant. Think of it this way.
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He's the guarantor from God to
us. Second Corinthians, one 20
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says all of God's promises are
yes and amen in Christ's name.
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But he's also the parent
or from us too long because
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Philippians 2.13, says he works
in us 2 will and to do he is
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good pleasure. So the 2 aspects
of righteousness by faith,
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it's not just justification,
but Sanctification is the work
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of a lifetime in
men. The men. Yes.
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>> So it goes on and she
diagnose is our situation here.
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Sobering diagnosis, but very
important. She says many have
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lost site of Jesus tomb.
This this reminds me of the
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early Christian Church,
right? If you go through the 7
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churches relation chapter 2, 3,
the first the first cautionary
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note in that first year of
office as they left their first
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love,
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the early church experiences
they had was so rich and they
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turned the world upside
down. But John says and in rows,
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Jeff or to the left, their
first look, she's essentially
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saying to us the same thing
happen. She says here many had
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lost sight of Jesus. What's the
solution? They needed to have
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have their eyes directed to
his divine person, his merits.
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And this change is live for
the human family. So again, when
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Ellen White defines you can
message she's pointing us back
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to Jesus. Yes, is
divine character, his merits in
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exchange for human family.
So yes, there was a rough along
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Galatians yesterday. Talk about
the horns and Daniel. But the
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first thing she defines it
as fixing our eyes on June.
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And that's what's
the core the to passage.
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>> Yeah. And then the last part
of this, quote, really has to
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do with why we keep looking
back. And that is because of
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this part of the quote, it says
this. This is the message that
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God commanded to be given
to the world. It is the 3rd
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Angeles message, which is to
be proclaimed with a loud voice.
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And that ended the outpouring
of the spirit in large measure.
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>> So I want to equate to the
masses that Joe's a wetter was
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bringing in the 18 88 era
with the 3 angels messages all
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wrapped up together to be
combined with the outpouring of
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the holy spirit and letter
empowered to give this to the
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whole world
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if that would have happened.
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>> We wouldn't be here
today. Yes. So what is the 3rd
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dangerous mayor message
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just released by Fayyad in
the 3rd Angels may how to do it
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says come at a babble
on medal on this ball and
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we
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worship Florida House. If
we understand who years as our
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creator, our Redeemer can
make him a blow your mind,
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the creator of the
universe who became a man,
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the team of all
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who is all powerful, all knowing
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puts his spirit in
us. Romans 8 tells us.
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>> By whom we cry out. Bob
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Father, Papa.
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>> Gadi, God, he wants to
be your body moving. So how did
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that? So amazing to me. So
so if you have something good
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in the question, but used
among the fitting just message,
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let's read the 30 dismiss well,
as some people have no idea of
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what you 14, OK? Go
ahead. And so are less than 14,
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6.
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>> All the way through 14 and
want to read them all. But it's
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3 messages that are brought
by 3 angels that starts off with
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the everlasting gospel. That's
to go to the world. There's
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what is there a lesson gospel
us really the story of geez,
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what he has done is our savior,
that Lamb that was laying from
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the very foundation of the
world. And it tells us to fear
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God
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for the are of his judgment
has come worship him who made
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heaven and Earth. We live in
a world now that has distance
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ourselves so far from the
creator, the 3 inches messages
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are pointing us back that there
is a God who created us and he
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is our creator in there is
about to be a judgment. But
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before God
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does the judgment, he sends a
message to bring repentance his
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son's the everlasting gospel in
right behind that gospel going
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to the whole world,
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which was part of the quote
that the 3 inches messages and
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Verity essentially
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is the next most is that the
system of the swirl Babel and
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has fallen this corrupt.
It's failing. It can't carry
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through. And so that's the
second is those message come
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lot available and just as God
called ever him out of Babylon
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3,000 years ago, he is calling
his last thing. People from
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every church, every religion
to come out of this man faults
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system that is
failing. The 3rd angels message
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is long but it includes
worshiping God avoiding that
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mark of the beast avoiding
getting the mark. That tells
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you that you're still in Babel
and instead have the seal on
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your forehead, which we believe
includes. He puts the seal as a
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day of worship to worship him
on his day. That commemorates
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creation in sums it up.
What we've been talking about in
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relation to 14 verse 12.
Here is the patience of the
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Saints. Here are those who keep
the commandments of God in the
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faith, not in Jesus, but the
faith of Jesus. It's as if God
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says his everlasting message
of the everlasting gospel to the
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world. He warns the world
there's going to be judgment.
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He calls his people while he
puts on a final demonstration
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of a group of people that
will keep his commitments. They
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would rather die then to bring
dishonor to God's name. They do
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that because of the faith of
Jesus. That is little doubt in
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the they keep every one of his
commitments, including the 4th
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commandment that says the South.
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>> Yeah, man, it's impressive
that shins that quote by saying
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that this message will be
attended with the outpouring of
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the holy spirit, a large
measure to the other term we
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would use for, quote,
outpointing host large
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measures. Latter rain. Yes.
So there's a sense in which we
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could pray a lot for the latter
rain, but that prayer is is
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devoid of the message. That's
to a company that out putting
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the Holy Spirit, we'll be
praying in vain. You need to
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bring together the prayer
with the Holy spirit with the
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message of the Holy Spirit
is going to send you identified
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that as what Jones and Wagner
were presented in that time.
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So we need to I think be
sensitive and aware and save.
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I don't know what they were
talking about. I need to get in
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for about what they were
talking about a new night.
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It's really important. Yeah,
exactly. And if that's part of
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what's going to bring a lot
of rain, I want to access that
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information to us.
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>> Here's a question that we
really need to address because
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it shows the
confusion in the loan.
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>> So why was the 18 88 message
needed when we have the Bible
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that Jesus Russians buffet
from Genesis to revelation?
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>> It's a very good question.
You know that I'm a I mean,
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it was a Bible messages to
other got their message out
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about 18. 88 message is not
something that these been made
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up. You know, they were
suspending bar. I just wrote a
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book on, right, just you'll
mining and I'm doing a series
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on it soon.
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And it isn't a mass siege
that Jones and Wagner made up.
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It was from Bible study.
So that's why it was needed is
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because so many people
don't study their 5 most so many
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people do under state. Here's
a quote from a fun little as a
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Christian
education, great truths.
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>> The have lain unheated
in unseen since the day of
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Pentecost partisan from God's
word in their native purity.
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To those who truly love
God, the Holy Spirit will reveal
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truths that have faded from
the mine. It will also reveal
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truths that are entirely new.
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>> The path of that I just
will go brighter and brighter to
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love. Coming days, it said.
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>> During the dark ages,
these truths have been have been
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lost. The reformer started
bringing them one by one by
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one. It's the combination
of the very last days, though,
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that brings them all together
united with the sanctuary
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message. It produces a
people that will do exactly what
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revelation 14 12 says keep
his commitments. Yeah. Then have
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the faith of James and
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>> I'm just going along and
that you could use that same
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competition for a lot. Who
cares about what Luther said?
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We have the Bible because,
well, why says we have the
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Bible who cares about what
any of us? We've got the Bible,
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but no scriptures of private
interpretation to that. So so
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when we win got inspire
specific people like online
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Jones winner to study their
bibles to bring out certain
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truths. I want to access that
information. Just like when you
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write a book, commissioner,
I want to access that
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information. It's not to
supplant the Bible. It's to
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help us in our conversation to
bring clarity to those who came
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in. And there's no question she
says that many had lost sight
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of Jesus. Now
she was not speaking.
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>> To the wound, she
was speaking to the 7th Day
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Adventists, believe us that
they had lost sight of Jesus.
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So because of that God, but
oftentimes being a prophet or a
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message messages to bring us to
where we're supposed to be in.
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And that's how wagon Jones
and Ellen White fit into the
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picture. We had lost sight of
do this. She said we had peace
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the law until we were dry as
the hills of Gilboa. We need to
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get back to Jesus. And so this
message and Ellen White there
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are over the there are hundreds
of endorsements to the message
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that was brought by Jones and
Wagner by Ellen White, hundreds
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of vendors over 400 afford
to do so. So this is significant
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on white. The prophet of
our church saw in the message,
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something vital clarified some
new ways of putting things that
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would crystallize the truth
of the gospel. And and it was
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necessary at that time.
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A man is in men.
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>> Here's a very precious
question. One that I love.
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I love your heart.
Do I do have been a pair
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they've written in and said
how can I surrendered? My whole
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will to the Lord. Jesus forgave
my sense, but falling short
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again away again. I don't
want to be lost in forever.
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Separated from
him. Help me, please.
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>> I can. I can relate to
that experience. I I think we
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probably all can on some level
of this. And as I look at my
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own experience
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are the things that have moved
me forward and given me hope
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and encouragement and
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to one degree or another,
you know, healing and success in
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the Christian experience, the
Bible only gives us ultimately
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one solution. It's the goodness
of God. And yes, that leads to
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repentance. It's it's the
beauty of God's character.
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He was trapped. 12 says it
this way, says Lay aside every
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weight when so
much as you can set you.
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Well, that sounds well
hot. That's not a dog team task,
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right? Lay aside every weight
and the sandwiches as well.
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How am I going to do that?
We goes on as he's looking unto
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Jesus, the author and finish up
our hands in my experience and
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the experience of everyone I've
encountered that that has made
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progress and Christian
experience and a lot of us like
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me are 3 steps forward. 2 steps
back. Kind of all I can only
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all I do not yet, but the times
I see progress, it's when my
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eyes are fixed on GM. When I
when I'm processing the beauty
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of his character reveals God
the father to me what he's done
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in mercy and forgiveness to
me. So so this individual who is
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struggling, a
struggle that I can relate to
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keep your eyes fixed an Jesus
through the eyes fixed on Jesus
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and you will feel and
experience progress. Then
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there's a practical story that
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real-life story that
happened in the Bible with Mary
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Magdalen.
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>> That Jesus said and she had
fallen so many times 7 times.
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She's 17 and says what it says.
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And you always kept working
with the forgiving him. But the
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important thing he said was that
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wherever the gospel is preached,
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what Mary did at the end should
a company the preaching of the
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gospel.
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So we see that
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she was weak. She keeps
running. Talk about we'll get
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into something that we
don't know. So Mary Magdalen
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she was led into the sun.
Looks like by go. I think it
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was. And
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Jesus Christ Cup forgiving
hood. She kept falling back
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into sent. And so
finally, the hot was so broken
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by the love of
Christ and his repeated
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tend to reaching out to be
giving the sun's not condemning
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who but could be to draw to him.
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Love that push. Use the
good shepherd that takes the
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initiative to go and find that
lost sheep. He was assistant in
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going after may never give
up on. And finally, she was the
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only one that got it. And
she spent all she had in buying
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that
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John of Alabaster point best
to anoint him for his burial for
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years with a year's wages.
The the Thanksgiving that get
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out of a hot was as a
response of the goodness of God.
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So all of us have the same
struggle. But as we continue,
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she is, is that there's a
there's a quote that Ellen
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White has
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hanging on the cross Christ was
the gospel and she urges us to
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keep our eyes looking up to
Jesus because in so doing he
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will, he will empty ourselves
initially of self empty
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ourselves of every desire to
serve ourselves and and to do
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bad things and will
eventually be cleanse. So
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you don't want to work out our
salvation. We want to trust God
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that he will never let us go.
He will always strive with us.
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And he he has. He said,
you never leave stuff, sickest.
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He has a hold of her head.
And the thing is we don't have
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a hold of his hand. He's got
a hold of our hand. He won't let
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us go.
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>> And then invest encourage
meant for and one quote,
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that has always been
encouraging to me. She's all
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right. As we shall
often. Yes, we shall often
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have to fall at the feet of
Jesus for mistakes and errors.
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But even we were overcome.
We are not cast off for second,
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my God.
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So as we're as we're moving
in the Christian experience,
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3 steps forward, 2 steps back,
not God's ideal, but that's
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where we're at many times
were not cast offer for second,
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my God.
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>> I I would like to add for
this precious few. I'm not sure
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if you're a man or a
woman. God gave me 3 steps, too.
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How to follow him first
you hit. It will all go bad.
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You've got to know God. If
you want to sue, read into that
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what you've got to understand
Islam. So as you get into the
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word and you see what a
wonderful God, how wise he is,
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how kind how loving
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you will fall in love with
him. The second step is stop
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rejecting his slime and submit
to his will. That's that's the
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decision you
you're making tow line up
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in God's will.
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But the 3rd step
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he's got to yield to the
holy Spirit. Let him lead. Pray
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every day. Jesus
said Luc Luc 11 9
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ask and keep on asking, see,
can keep on seeking knocking.
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Keep fun. Not good.
And then he says first 13,
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if you being evil now, how
to keep good gifts to you. Just
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how much more will the heavenly
father get the Holy Spirit to
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those who ask can keep on
asking, do that first thing in
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the morning. Let God be God.
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He will work out
your own salvation.
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>> But not in your own stream
for it's God who works in you,
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too, will introduce can let
me give us information again.
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Real quick. Can they show
the show? It's base with us live
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program so you can send in your
questions if you want to tax
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them. It's 618-228-3975,
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618-228-3975. If you want to
e-mail it. It's live at 3 ABN
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DOT TV place and the
man live at 3 A B and T V.
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>> OK, I want to get this
person that I want to jump back
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to the 18 88 study committee.
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How did this a statistic
to who? How did it change your
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life?
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>> So a group of 7 thing
ever to this 3rd or 4th hitter,
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4th generation. But
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growing up with my
understanding, I was always I
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would say performance-based
some all of us that are route
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yes of legalism, that it will
be rooted out. But we just have
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this feeling that I have
to do something to guys favor
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in the there are times it's
like you mentioned that when I
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went to academy decided this is
the year. I'm going to finally
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be perfect. But I'm going to
00:23:51.36\00:23:53.66
get involved. Said the school
was doing everything they could
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in very certainly realize that
I don't have it within me to do
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that. That's right. And
I didn't up point see guys
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pursuing me, but still felt
that I needed to pursue him.
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Finally, I actually was haven't
has once I got my acceptance to
00:24:08.01\00:24:14.15
medical school at Loma Linda
00:24:14.15\00:24:16.05
believing that I'm I'm not
good enough. I can't do this.
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Religion is for people have a
lot more willpower than I have
00:24:20.86\00:24:24.89
on time. Hopeless us to
believe the Bible is true. Still
00:24:24.89\00:24:28.40
believe that these doctors
are true, but I couldn't make it
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work for me. It wasn't until I
heard a message that there is a
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good shepherd, sticky
afternoon, a message of a GAAP
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and that God loves me more than
he loves himself, that he would
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come all the way down to where
I am in die on a cross for my
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son that it broke my heart.
And I realize that that's a God
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that
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the pursuing me that I have to
worship to have to get her to.
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And it's a long story how I
came back. It could take the
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whole rest of the hour.
But since understanding this
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message, it was during
that interim at studded with
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims
and different people just
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looking for truth. But finally
coming back in understanding
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this messes like this
is what I've been missing.
00:25:16.24\00:25:19.75
>> It is the dynamite of
the gospel has been awful. Yeah,
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has
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empowered me. It has given
me hope. It has allowed me to
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understand why we're still
here. 7th Ave interest in this
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world 100 plus years since
this message was given and has
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caused me to want to go
anywhere around the world,
00:25:37.60\00:25:40.70
that would invite me to
come to share this, that our own
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expense because we have to tell
the world about this and then
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anybody else want
to share experience.
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>> Yeah, I mean, my mind was
slightly different. The Bryans
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I was sort of sliding out,
00:25:52.78\00:25:55.08
served through ignorance.
I guess you could say I was
00:25:55.08\00:25:58.42
busy with school and sports
and social life and I wasn't I
00:25:58.42\00:26:03.53
wasn't way out there, you know,
taken drugs or whatever like
00:26:03.53\00:26:06.43
that or party or whatever.
But there there was no personal
00:26:06.43\00:26:10.60
individual appreciation
for what a load of done for me.
00:26:10.60\00:26:14.80
Passion. You know, I grew up.
I want a prayer meeting with 2
00:26:14.80\00:26:18.24
weeks of prayer, went to church,
00:26:18.24\00:26:22.18
the culture the life around.
I was just sort of slowly in
00:26:22.18\00:26:25.98
retrospect, you can see sort
of slowly easing my way out.
00:26:25.98\00:26:28.72
And my mom was attending a
Tea Conference of the Camp Cedar
00:26:28.72\00:26:34.16
Falls, which is a youth camp
in California. And it was during
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Thanksgiving holiday.
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And so you want to be a good
sign to all go with him all the
00:26:39.36\00:26:41.90
time is good. Because like
all at that time, I was going to
00:26:41.90\00:26:44.10
that.
00:26:44.10\00:26:45.63
And the thing that struck me
first was actually the history
00:26:45.63\00:26:47.57
surprisingly was the history
of of 18 because it gave me an
00:26:47.57\00:26:50.91
explanation for why
we're still here, too.
00:26:50.91\00:26:53.34
And all of a sudden I heard
on the edge is coming soon.
00:26:53.34\00:26:55.81
He's coming soon just come
soon. And he was someone saying
00:26:55.81\00:26:58.65
Jesus could have come in in our
history. If we've been response
00:26:58.65\00:27:02.18
and that caught my attention
and then over time, I began to
00:27:02.18\00:27:04.85
actually contact the message.
And then White says my heart
00:27:04.85\00:27:08.42
was strangely warm. Also, I'm
going to be pushing the actual
00:27:08.42\00:27:11.76
content of messages to shun
history. And again, not that
00:27:11.76\00:27:16.16
I'm far from perfect. Mentioned
3 steps forward, 2 steps back.
00:27:16.16\00:27:19.70
But this is what has kept
me engaged. Is that keep me
00:27:19.70\00:27:22.60
believe in the 7th Day
Adventist Church believing in
00:27:22.60\00:27:24.81
the leadership in
missions, something of a church.
00:27:24.81\00:27:27.18
>> In a way that nothing else
I've encountered has been in
00:27:27.18\00:27:29.71
it. Let me say one thing to
clarify because somebody is out
00:27:29.71\00:27:32.38
there going to be me believing
in the 7th and then right.
00:27:32.38\00:27:35.22
A suspect faith is the message
of the Bible from Genesis to
00:27:35.22\00:27:39.52
revelation. The 18 88 this
age is just lifting this miss a
00:27:39.52\00:27:44.69
chance. Bible students who
were expounding you, people read
00:27:44.69\00:27:49.26
commentaries all the time.
Think of it as a commentary on
00:27:49.26\00:27:53.54
righteousness to pay. But tell
me how does the indeed you have
00:27:53.54\00:27:57.64
a purse? I just I just yet.
00:27:57.64\00:27:59.74
>> So mine was different. I
00:27:59.74\00:28:02.88
was born, right? A 7th.
But so I I was always a 7th day
00:28:02.88\00:28:08.58
Adventists. My dad was a in
the weekend for the West Indies
00:28:08.58\00:28:12.69
immigrant to this country.
00:28:12.69\00:28:15.96
I always knew I would never
leave the church. I was going
00:28:15.96\00:28:20.26
always be a 7th Day Adventist.
00:28:20.26\00:28:22.43
Yeah, that is my new was
essentially the Gospel of John.
00:28:22.43\00:28:26.47
I knew nothing about the
cleansing of the century.
00:28:26.47\00:28:29.07
Hadn't read Ellen White
00:28:29.07\00:28:31.77
and nothing about the niche
of Christ in the nearness of the
00:28:31.77\00:28:34.61
savior.
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And I met Brian and as we
he asked me a lot of questions
00:28:35.81\00:28:39.25
about what I knew, although
I was lifelong Adventist. I
00:28:39.25\00:28:42.18
didn't have as to any
of the stuff he asked me.
00:28:42.18\00:28:44.72
And as we got to
studying the 18 88 message,
00:28:44.72\00:28:48.69
the content of the message in
several areas and particularly
00:28:48.69\00:28:53.93
in the area of the nearness
of the Savior and the cross of
00:28:53.93\00:28:56.73
Christ,
00:28:56.73\00:28:58.97
I have not
understood it to that debt ever.
00:28:58.97\00:29:02.70
It does create a fire in my
belly and and I cannot let it
00:29:02.70\00:29:05.77
go. And so I just praise the
Lord for the message because I
00:29:05.77\00:29:10.18
had the wood. If God is
powerful, as you understand
00:29:10.18\00:29:14.32
this message, this becomes a
living document. It transforms
00:29:14.32\00:29:18.59
your life. You will.
00:29:18.59\00:29:19.95
>> Yeah, yes, you know, I
always there's I believe it.
00:29:19.95\00:29:23.73
How I came to the same
number. The way there's a saying
00:29:23.73\00:29:26.70
we learn to teach and we
teach to learn too. It was
00:29:26.70\00:29:31.03
interesting why was writing
this book on Righteousness,
00:29:31.03\00:29:34.74
Spectate. There's things have
been teaching over the last 20
00:29:34.74\00:29:39.04
years
00:29:39.04\00:29:40.34
but pulling it all together.
When you said fire in your
00:29:40.34\00:29:43.38
belly at at the risk
of being misunderstood.
00:29:43.38\00:29:48.45
The love I feel for the Lord.
00:29:48.45\00:29:51.62
Sometimes I just almost too
good. I mean, I am so in love
00:29:51.62\00:29:56.36
with the Lord mowing it
altogether. It's just like I
00:29:56.36\00:30:00.50
stated he is the he is the
God of our righteousness and
00:30:00.50\00:30:05.70
outstanding. Holy wonder of
what he started. But now let's
00:30:05.70\00:30:10.87
talk about the 18 88 miss
it. How should this affect our
00:30:10.87\00:30:16.08
>> out reach a
knife and chins, too.
00:30:16.08\00:30:19.58
You know, we touched a little
bit before. I think there's 2
00:30:19.58\00:30:22.28
things that that I like to
emphasize when we when we have
00:30:22.28\00:30:25.29
to this question, number one
was the motivational component.
00:30:25.29\00:30:28.32
The 18 message was meant to
restructure. The reason we do
00:30:28.32\00:30:32.59
religion. The reason we
do ads into some reason we do
00:30:32.59\00:30:35.06
Christianity
00:30:35.06\00:30:36.23
from from merely a
desire that I get this poor skin
00:30:36.23\00:30:40.80
and owns up into heaven
00:30:40.80\00:30:42.84
to a concern for the
vindication of God, the
00:30:42.84\00:30:45.27
vindication of Jesus, that I
would be more concerned about
00:30:45.27\00:30:48.38
him getting his reward.
The about me getting my record.
00:30:48.38\00:30:51.48
So are evangelists stick sort
of focus isn't so much about
00:30:51.48\00:30:55.68
what I get. But
what can I do for Jesus?
00:30:55.68\00:30:58.62
Number 2 will have to shoulder
to. He's also got has done
00:30:58.62\00:31:02.22
something for the whole world.
Yes. So when we're talking to
00:31:02.22\00:31:05.49
the world, we're not telling
them if you believe then God
00:31:05.49\00:31:09.16
will do this for you. We're
telling them got as our again,
00:31:09.16\00:31:12.23
this incredible thing for you.
He's given new life. He's given
00:31:12.23\00:31:16.24
you. You truth is giving you
the gift of faith is giving you
00:31:16.24\00:31:19.04
all these things in your
experience. Your response is
00:31:19.04\00:31:21.48
just an appreciation for all
those gifts that he's already
00:31:21.48\00:31:23.41
given to you. It's going
to change that motivational
00:31:23.41\00:31:25.81
compose site. That's how I see
it. Reshaping our evangelism.
00:31:25.81\00:31:30.09
Another way. Thing you this is
is there's a difference between
00:31:30.09\00:31:33.32
the truth
00:31:33.32\00:31:34.89
and the truth as it is in Jesus
name. Amen. So there's there's
00:31:34.89\00:31:38.06
established truth, right?
This is the right day. That's
00:31:38.06\00:31:41.26
the wrong day. But there's also
the Sabbath as it is in Jesus
00:31:41.26\00:31:44.73
is a day of rest, the day of
relationship with the community
00:31:44.73\00:31:47.70
of growth in our appreciation
for him. And each one of the
00:31:47.70\00:31:50.57
doctrinal pieces of the advent
of puzzle can be the truth as
00:31:50.57\00:31:54.74
well. But they can be enhanced
and framed in the truth as it
00:31:54.74\00:31:58.01
is in Jesus. So the 18 a
message was meant to frame all
00:31:58.01\00:32:01.92
of our doctor truce as they are
in jeez, yeah. And that would
00:32:01.92\00:32:05.42
take more time to delineate.
But every one of those
00:32:05.42\00:32:07.26
doctrines as one of those trees
in the Bible can be framed as
00:32:07.26\00:32:10.06
troops as they are
in Jesus. And that's,
00:32:10.06\00:32:12.19
>> you know, it's a says seems
to me like this is what the 3
00:32:12.19\00:32:15.16
angels message is all about
says, hey, I love you so much.
00:32:15.16\00:32:18.70
I do. Let me remind you of
something new. This is what's
00:32:18.70\00:32:22.60
ahead of you. Yeah,
00:32:22.60\00:32:25.17
so and then listen, it's
one of your stories you've been
00:32:25.17\00:32:28.54
touched and that's and that's
what's motivating this be here.
00:32:28.54\00:32:32.28
Yeah, absolutely. No.
Motivates 3ABN, yeah, it was.
00:32:32.28\00:32:37.25
>> And to Bob's 0.2 Ella Mai
says that all of our doctrines
00:32:37.25\00:32:42.52
have to be
00:32:42.52\00:32:44.46
scented in the cross of Christ.
They have influence and power
00:32:44.46\00:32:48.50
as they're connected to that
game of Christ, the uplifted
00:32:48.50\00:32:51.90
savings. So we have to in Evan
to, as my thing could be help
00:32:51.90\00:32:54.87
us to be able to figure out
how do all these doctrines fit
00:32:54.87\00:32:59.07
together, the uplifted
savior presented like that. They
00:32:59.07\00:33:03.11
become compelling be.
00:33:03.11\00:33:04.98
>> You know, I need to say
something because somebody is
00:33:04.98\00:33:07.32
watching and you've heard
the name Alan White off. And she
00:33:07.32\00:33:10.52
was one of the
00:33:10.52\00:33:13.19
young people who helped begin
this movement. She had the gift
00:33:13.19\00:33:17.36
of prophecy. Ellen White always
said that she was just a lesser
00:33:17.36\00:33:23.10
light. We were talking
about tears that pointed to the
00:33:23.10\00:33:27.37
greater light, what she wrote
00:33:27.37\00:33:31.11
from the Bible and we follow
00:33:31.11\00:33:35.11
the Scriptures 7th
Day Adventists. We believe
00:33:35.11\00:33:41.15
the Bible.
00:33:41.15\00:33:43.65
She does not contradict the 5.
Let me say something. I didn't
00:33:43.65\00:33:47.96
grow up that cause. I grew up
a minute. You talk about legal.
00:33:47.96\00:33:52.96
Listen. I grew up in the New
Testament Church, but we were
00:33:52.96\00:33:56.87
trying to work our way to
heaven it. And I'm going to
00:33:56.87\00:33:59.63
tell you any church, any
religion that tries to work
00:33:59.63\00:34:06.41
their way to heaven.
That's a false religion. Yes,
00:34:06.41\00:34:10.61
Laika Liz, but obedience
us not to take a listen,
00:34:10.61\00:34:14.88
feeding its its left.
00:34:14.88\00:34:17.19
And so
00:34:17.19\00:34:18.35
when I found the Lord
00:34:18.35\00:34:21.46
I over, when I found the
7th Day Adventist church,
00:34:21.46\00:34:25.16
he party tell me the truth of
the 7th in the state of the day
00:34:25.16\00:34:28.30
to all of these things out
preaching it would have taken
00:34:28.30\00:34:31.67
it. And then all the sudden
the turn on 3ABN the side.
00:34:31.67\00:34:35.74
I thought I was the only but
00:34:35.74\00:34:39.77
the reason I joined this church
is because they preach more
00:34:39.77\00:34:45.18
Bibles to school in any other
church. I know in a 5 pound one
00:34:45.18\00:34:49.28
that top more I would join
in. But I've not seen anyone the
00:34:49.28\00:34:53.72
sticks to the Bible
the way we do it, OK? So
00:34:53.72\00:34:56.86
let's take a little emphasis
on what does what does that,
00:34:56.86\00:35:02.06
the purpose of the 18
88 steady committee, Lou.
00:35:02.06\00:35:07.04
>> So it was formed
00:35:07.04\00:35:09.10
in the 1980's by really group
of Lehman, the past several
00:35:09.10\00:35:13.34
pastors to come together
in really study in-depth. This
00:35:13.34\00:35:20.25
message,
00:35:20.25\00:35:21.32
the they were convicted
was really important and might
00:35:21.32\00:35:25.12
actually be key to
00:35:25.12\00:35:28.12
understanding is in allowing
the holy spirit to be port up
00:35:28.12\00:35:32.66
in our day.
00:35:32.66\00:35:33.86
And so the to date Mister Study
come, it is a group of people
00:35:33.86\00:35:38.03
they get together routinely
several times a year to
00:35:38.03\00:35:41.17
actually study
the message together.
00:35:41.17\00:35:43.34
The Tamest study Committee
gets together to have an annual
00:35:43.34\00:35:46.74
conference
00:35:46.74\00:35:47.98
which is actually coming up
in July very soon at Southern
00:35:47.98\00:35:51.51
Methodist
University for this year.
00:35:51.51\00:35:54.32
>> In we put a lot of that race
was the it? Well, there are 15
00:35:54.32\00:36:01.12
Wednesday through 7th July
12 through 15 July 12 through 15
00:36:01.12\00:36:05.19
other has university
and southern added too soon.
00:36:05.19\00:36:10.07
If somebody wants to register
for that, what did they do?
00:36:10.07\00:36:13.94
You can just come. But if you'd
like more information about it,
00:36:13.94\00:36:16.57
you can look at the
website 18 88 in a C dot org.
00:36:16.57\00:36:22.04
It must be missing word OK to
this extends up on the screen.
00:36:22.04\00:36:26.72
Video came out. Let me just a
little bit more what Brian was
00:36:26.72\00:36:29.68
saying.
00:36:29.68\00:36:32.02
>> The Commission study
committee is what the name
00:36:32.02\00:36:34.66
says. It's an 18 message study
group. People are starting and
00:36:34.66\00:36:39.83
we want our ministry to be sort
of a a one-stop shopping place
00:36:39.83\00:36:43.90
as it were for all the matters
related to the message, Jones
00:36:43.90\00:36:47.30
and wagons material, whites,
commentary on that material,
00:36:47.30\00:36:50.87
the bible basis for that
material, those who have sort
00:36:50.87\00:36:53.38
of synthesize that
message in 2 different places.
00:36:53.38\00:36:56.18
So so if someone, you
know, reads about 80 missions,
00:36:56.18\00:36:59.18
one, I want to know more about
that. I I think you need to
00:36:59.18\00:37:01.58
understand more about that,
quote, the most precious muster
00:37:01.58\00:37:04.09
to we try and be sort of a
one-stop shopping place as it
00:37:04.09\00:37:07.19
were for all the materials,
study, materials, audio
00:37:07.19\00:37:11.13
materials, video materials
for some of the access to study
00:37:11.13\00:37:14.03
what that 18 gospel message is.
What what does it mean to say
00:37:14.03\00:37:17.50
that that's part of the 30
inches message? What does that
00:37:17.50\00:37:19.67
mean? So we're trying to be a
resource center to provide all
00:37:19.67\00:37:22.74
the mature those instances.
Now you guys don't just study.
00:37:22.74\00:37:25.67
You have an outreach to
tell us about that. Yeah.
00:37:25.67\00:37:29.84
>> We we have we all have jobs
where everybody have. We have
00:37:29.84\00:37:35.98
like one and action of
an employee and she does an
00:37:35.98\00:37:41.29
incredible job. Awesome.
00:37:41.29\00:37:43.73
So this ministry really is
we're run by very busy people,
00:37:43.73\00:37:48.30
interestingly, and I don't know
how this happened, but maybe I
00:37:48.30\00:37:51.77
do know
00:37:51.77\00:37:54.60
a lot of the people
involved with the committee are
00:37:54.60\00:37:57.97
physicians. So we have pastors
and physicians and some other
00:37:57.97\00:38:02.31
people in a loss of laypeople.
And so we all have jobs that we
00:38:02.31\00:38:07.45
do. But we also
00:38:07.45\00:38:10.75
going to speak.
00:38:10.75\00:38:12.12
So we'll do weekend seminars,
different places. And I know
00:38:12.12\00:38:15.42
that, you know, Bob has done
a lot of things. I'm preaching
00:38:15.42\00:38:20.06
different places. My husband, I
have done a lot of this is that
00:38:20.06\00:38:23.23
expense cheddar on expense
on our own time on a vacation
00:38:23.23\00:38:26.53
time, which is awesome. And
this evangelist out Meechan,
00:38:26.53\00:38:30.24
I think we'll have that we
think is that we can show to so
00:38:30.24\00:38:32.47
that it's really, you know,
there's a hunger for the gospel
00:38:32.47\00:38:35.48
around the world. Yes, I almost
feel like the hunger is greater
00:38:35.48\00:38:38.65
in some other parts of
want some time right here.
00:38:38.65\00:38:41.18
>> But now we have some people
we work with overseas building
00:38:41.18\00:38:44.39
in East Africa. And we were
invite over there recently to
00:38:44.39\00:38:48.62
give some outreach series
at the University of Nairobi.
00:38:48.62\00:38:52.16
That's the largest public
university in East Africa.
00:38:52.16\00:38:56.36
And there was some people over
there who had been exposed 18
00:38:56.36\00:38:59.53
message. They wanted to have
some of us come over and get
00:38:59.53\00:39:01.57
some presentations at
the university to secular
00:39:01.57\00:39:04.04
university, but they're very
open to having people speak on.
00:39:04.04\00:39:07.44
Spiritual religious themes
were invited there to give a
00:39:07.44\00:39:09.71
weeklong series of meetings
at the University of Nairobi and
00:39:09.71\00:39:13.72
myself and Brian, in a couple
other people, Michael Duncan
00:39:13.72\00:39:17.32
and the people, one of them
to give presentations at the
00:39:17.32\00:39:20.19
university area, very positive
springs. I was very impressed
00:39:20.19\00:39:23.56
with the young people. There's
your college age kids and their
00:39:23.56\00:39:27.50
questions were so articulate
and so fought full. I said,
00:39:27.50\00:39:31.30
I don't usually hear these kind
of questions in Sabha school in
00:39:31.30\00:39:33.50
America. Very father. Well,
rather well study, but we had a
00:39:33.50\00:39:37.44
really positive experience
of a fam and the shared some
00:39:37.44\00:39:40.74
literature with them and strong
blessing. So so we try and
00:39:40.74\00:39:43.45
travel were invited around
the world on Philippines, other
00:39:43.45\00:39:46.38
places. Yes, to to share
this message with the France,
00:39:46.38\00:39:49.65
even France to share the
message. I live moved from the
00:39:49.65\00:39:53.32
city.
00:39:53.32\00:39:54.52
>> Here is a Christian. Can you
explain to part justification
00:39:54.52\00:40:02.06
as explained in
Matthew 18? This is from Scott
00:40:02.06\00:40:06.87
from Tennessee, who,
00:40:06.87\00:40:09.57
Matthew 18.
00:40:09.57\00:40:11.87
You give a versus there.
And you know, just Matthew 18
00:40:11.87\00:40:15.01
two-part
justification. That's them.
00:40:15.01\00:40:17.81
>> A little puzzled 5 at
my side. Probably wouldn't.
00:40:17.81\00:40:20.38
I don't week maybe look at 18.
I wouldn't a purse. I wouldn't
00:40:20.38\00:40:23.72
talk of a two-part
justification. I would talk
00:40:23.72\00:40:26.65
about a justification that God
has given to each one of us and
00:40:26.65\00:40:31.79
that we experience when we
have faith, there's only one
00:40:31.79\00:40:35.16
justification. The one that got
has has actuated for each one
00:40:35.16\00:40:39.40
of us by virtue of what Jesus
did on the cross, that when we
00:40:39.40\00:40:43.17
when we have faith, when we
appreciate what that gift was.
00:40:43.17\00:40:46.71
>> Then we experience
around real and that just ensure
00:40:46.71\00:40:49.18
happes he was referring
more to the 2 asked pics of
00:40:49.18\00:40:52.75
righteousness by faith
which is justification in
00:40:52.75\00:40:55.62
Sanctification.
I'll tell you what
00:40:55.62\00:40:58.22
the cup acts. 26 18
00:40:58.22\00:41:02.46
when Paul
00:41:02.46\00:41:04.63
that Jesus on the road
to Damascus. Jesus said I am
00:41:04.63\00:41:10.77
sending you. Kara Sea Affairs
says he did say it that way.
00:41:10.77\00:41:14.94
But he said I'm sending you to
the Gentiles to open their eyes
00:41:14.94\00:41:21.41
to turn them from darkness
to light, to turn them from the
00:41:21.41\00:41:25.21
power of Satan to God that
they may receive an inheritance.
00:41:25.21\00:41:32.92
Among those who are
sanctified by faith in me,
00:41:32.92\00:41:37.96
you've got it the whole gospel
right there that what God,
00:41:37.96\00:41:42.90
his stud, he justifies his.
He turns his from the power of
00:41:42.90\00:41:46.50
Satan to God, just and we
received this inheritance,
00:41:46.50\00:41:51.97
which will be our glorification
00:41:51.97\00:41:54.58
by those who are sanctified
by faith in me. So there is the
00:41:54.58\00:41:59.51
aspect of justification by
faith and sanctification by
00:41:59.51\00:42:05.55
faith eventually glorification.
Haha. Okay. So do you have
00:42:05.55\00:42:12.13
another question? I
know. Let's see. This one says
00:42:12.13\00:42:16.50
doesn't God justify us when
we accept Jesus as their savior?
00:42:16.50\00:42:21.67
Maybe there's a confusion.
What we're saying. Great.
00:42:21.67\00:42:26.11
>> Yeah, I think I think of
are still in the red in rev.
00:42:26.11\00:42:29.11
I'm certain Romans
chapter 5 verse 18 talks about a
00:42:29.11\00:42:31.61
justification of life. Yes.
So essentially in the Garden of
00:42:31.61\00:42:37.35
Eden, God shield us from
the consequence of our Sunday.
00:42:37.35\00:42:41.86
That was a justification of why
God gave us life that we didn't
00:42:41.86\00:42:45.03
deserve. And the by Lee's
that were justification for that
00:42:45.03\00:42:48.40
experience that that occurred
right there at their place in
00:42:48.40\00:42:51.07
the Bible says God is not
counting our sins against us.
00:42:51.07\00:42:54.20
If Lord should Mark Iniquities
who should stand. These are all
00:42:54.20\00:42:57.84
aspects of of of God not
holding against us. The things
00:42:57.84\00:43:01.71
we've done to them. I will
use the word justification for
00:43:01.71\00:43:04.58
that. Not holding our sins
against this, not county men's
00:43:04.58\00:43:06.98
sins against them.
00:43:06.98\00:43:08.48
Now, one week when we believe
what were essentially doing is
00:43:08.48\00:43:12.19
appreciating understanding
discerning and having faith in
00:43:12.19\00:43:15.79
what God has already done for
us. So it changes something in
00:43:15.79\00:43:19.43
my heart but doesn't
change anything in God's heart.
00:43:19.43\00:43:22.46
I'm so justification by faith
is a change in God's attitude
00:43:22.46\00:43:25.60
towards me to change my
attitude towards God. Yes,
00:43:25.60\00:43:28.57
it's an appreciation what he's
already done for you. I think
00:43:28.57\00:43:31.37
that's an important
distinction. That's why the
00:43:31.37\00:43:32.84
priest question saying
what about the 2 justifications?
00:43:32.84\00:43:35.68
I don't think that's the best
way to look at the whole way.
00:43:35.68\00:43:37.95
The Bible says it. God has been
relating to us with the stance
00:43:37.95\00:43:41.62
of justification because
we deserved it because we're
00:43:41.62\00:43:44.32
worthy of it because we needed
it. And then we appreciate that
00:43:44.32\00:43:47.82
stance that he's had towards
us justification. Then we
00:43:47.82\00:43:50.79
experience justification
by faith. It's really an
00:43:50.79\00:43:54.10
experience of what he's already
house are going to assume.
00:43:54.10\00:43:56.83
It's just going back to.
00:43:56.83\00:43:58.33
>> Second Corinthians 5
that we've yeah, what a couple
00:43:58.33\00:44:01.84
times. But look, so look at
verse 18. All things are of God
00:44:01.84\00:44:05.91
who has reconciled us to
him himself through Jesus Christ
00:44:05.91\00:44:10.31
and has given us the Ministry
of Reconciliation. That is that
00:44:10.31\00:44:15.45
God was in Christ reconciling
the world to himself, not
00:44:15.45\00:44:20.29
imputing their trust, fesses
to them and has committed to us
00:44:20.29\00:44:25.29
the word of reconciliation.
Therefore, we are ambassadors
00:44:25.29\00:44:29.43
for Christ. We miss Miss
already earlier as 3rd as
00:44:29.43\00:44:32.63
though God we're pleading
through us. We implore you on
00:44:32.63\00:44:36.50
Christ behalf be reconciled to
God in this passes. We see that
00:44:36.50\00:44:41.54
God has already been reconciled
to us. He's done that through
00:44:41.54\00:44:45.21
his son. I'm enjoying himself
to the human race, but bonds
00:44:45.21\00:44:48.58
that will never be broken.
And now he threw us is pleading
00:44:48.58\00:44:52.09
to the world pleading to
everyone that we have contact
00:44:52.09\00:44:54.72
with. Will you be reconciled
to God who has already been
00:44:54.72\00:44:58.59
reconciled to God takes
the initiative and so with
00:44:58.59\00:45:02.46
justification, anything we
do experience justification by
00:45:02.46\00:45:07.94
faith. It's always a response
to what God has already done.
00:45:07.94\00:45:11.31
If we're going to experience
reconciliation is already a
00:45:11.31\00:45:14.34
it's always a response to
what God has already done and
00:45:14.34\00:45:17.81
reconciling us to help the case.
00:45:17.81\00:45:20.58
Here's question.
00:45:20.58\00:45:22.48
>> It's interesting. Kind of
a splitting haircuts question,
00:45:22.48\00:45:26.15
too,
00:45:26.15\00:45:27.52
isn't fixing our eyes from
Jesus work righteousness by
00:45:27.52\00:45:32.36
works.
00:45:32.36\00:45:35.70
Well, since by
beholding to become change
00:45:35.70\00:45:39.63
to Joe has an interesting
position that sort of gets to
00:45:39.63\00:45:42.40
decide.
00:45:42.40\00:45:43.57
>> He says using illustration
of a man who's drowning in the
00:45:43.57\00:45:46.54
water and gets thrown a life
preserver and and and the guy
00:45:46.54\00:45:52.28
grabbed my friend gets
hauled in and Jones knows.
00:45:52.28\00:45:55.82
Is there any sense in which
the the the guiding saved from
00:45:55.82\00:45:59.89
drowning by Life Reserve is
doing something himself to save
00:45:59.89\00:46:02.59
themselves? So, you know, write
the salvation is all in that I
00:46:02.59\00:46:06.16
don't recognize you drowning
throws in the life preserver
00:46:06.16\00:46:08.80
and reels in. There's no merit.
And the fact that he he holds
00:46:08.80\00:46:12.00
onto a life or death. So so I
I think that sort of a misnomer
00:46:12.00\00:46:17.21
of what what's
going well and patients.
00:46:17.21\00:46:20.11
>> First 8
00:46:20.11\00:46:22.98
Paul writes for by Grace, you
have been saved through faith,
00:46:22.98\00:46:26.61
not that not of yourselves
and the gift of God, not ports,
00:46:26.61\00:46:32.12
lest anyone should boost.
But now listen to their stand
00:46:32.12\00:46:36.12
for. We are his workmanship.
We're cots, work of art
00:46:36.12\00:46:40.26
created in Christ. Jesus
for could work. So which God
00:46:40.26\00:46:47.60
prepared before hand
00:46:47.60\00:46:50.27
that we should walk in them?
00:46:50.27\00:46:53.34
This understand this. When
I sit righteousness by faith
00:46:53.34\00:46:57.91
rightly understood
00:46:57.91\00:46:59.81
it will do away with legalism.
Legalism is thinking you can
00:46:59.81\00:47:03.95
earn your way to have
it. No salvation is to gift.
00:47:03.95\00:47:07.72
There's nothing you could do to
earn it. You have to open your
00:47:07.72\00:47:11.29
heart. Receive it. Grace wrote
the check. Your faith will take
00:47:11.29\00:47:15.53
to the bank.
00:47:15.53\00:47:18.10
It is more than just knowing
that I lost my train of thought
00:47:18.10\00:47:23.64
there. Chris, my mind went away.
00:47:23.64\00:47:26.21
What did I just say? What?
Scripture was a huge defeat.
00:47:26.21\00:47:29.94
Yeah. So this idea of leak a
list now of liberalism. I'm not
00:47:29.94\00:47:36.35
using this in a
political police understand
00:47:36.35\00:47:39.75
in the church. We
have people who say
00:47:39.75\00:47:44.66
the way by 2 since I don't
have to do a thing with the by
00:47:44.66\00:47:50.00
Jesus. I would definitely
disagree with you. He Bruce.
00:47:50.00\00:47:54.64
5, 9, says he became the author
of Eternal Salvation to All Hu
00:47:54.64\00:48:00.31
All day. If you love my
community, if you love me,
00:48:00.31\00:48:03.61
keep my Commandments.
It's a matter of entering into
00:48:03.61\00:48:07.45
covenant on. Give
you a good example.
00:48:07.45\00:48:10.19
Genesis 15, 6
Abraham believed God.
00:48:10.19\00:48:15.56
He was a counted,
right? Just my state.
00:48:15.56\00:48:19.66
14 years later in Genesis.
17 got comes before done.
00:48:19.66\00:48:23.47
He says
00:48:23.47\00:48:24.60
I am the Lord your God
00:48:24.60\00:48:27.80
walk before me and be
perfectly ones. See God we miss
00:48:27.80\00:48:33.98
understand
00:48:33.98\00:48:36.01
holy God, if we think get it
and I always tell people this,
00:48:36.01\00:48:41.22
she says did not die for you
so that you can live like the
00:48:41.22\00:48:45.19
devil. He came to destroy the
works of his death. He came to
00:48:45.19\00:48:49.56
set you free.
00:48:49.56\00:48:50.76
>> Yeah. The worst of the devil
are keeping us and slaved it's
00:48:50.76\00:48:54.40
causing disease. What? Why
wouldn't we want to be set free
00:48:54.40\00:48:57.87
from those things? So something
to hold on to one of the thing
00:48:57.87\00:49:01.80
that may I don't know
what the question, what?
00:49:01.80\00:49:04.01
>> What is on the line? The
question, is it possible and do
00:49:04.01\00:49:07.04
some people think the Behold II
is not like do you like he did?
00:49:07.04\00:49:11.21
The beholding is appreciating
him to allow him to do the work
00:49:11.21\00:49:15.75
in us that he wants to do.
And then when he's left it up,
00:49:15.75\00:49:18.95
yes, either on the cross or
in our lives to other people.
00:49:18.95\00:49:23.63
Yeah, hope but see him. You
can't help but be hold him and
00:49:23.63\00:49:26.83
you have to confront who he
is. We behold something and you
00:49:26.83\00:49:30.17
just watched us to see the
beauty of his character and the
00:49:30.17\00:49:32.90
beauty of his his character and
draws us to him and transform
00:49:32.90\00:49:36.27
does so it's not like the
beholden follow do as I do.
00:49:36.27\00:49:39.91
It's that we appreciate our
Hossam moved that melted by the
00:49:39.91\00:49:44.88
love of God that he does for us
to manage. So it's a response.
00:49:44.88\00:49:49.62
Yes, all right. This is a long
one hand. You want to read it
00:49:49.62\00:49:52.32
rather with still got 7 minutes
to read this one place. This is
00:49:52.32\00:49:56.02
sweet.
00:49:56.02\00:49:57.73
I have this
quote from misses wide.
00:49:57.73\00:50:00.63
>> It seems to be Mike's.
It seems to be my experience.
00:50:00.63\00:50:04.73
There are some who are seeking.
00:50:04.73\00:50:06.33
>> Always seeking for the
Goodly Pearl Godly Pearl Goodly
00:50:06.33\00:50:10.14
part. Good luck, Pearl.
00:50:10.14\00:50:12.64
But they do not make an entire
surrender of the wrong happens.
00:50:12.64\00:50:16.28
They do not diet itself.
The cross me live in them.
00:50:16.28\00:50:19.91
Therefore, they do not
find that pressures per room.
00:50:19.91\00:50:22.95
They have not overcome unholy
ambition and a love for world
00:50:22.95\00:50:26.39
the attractions.
00:50:26.39\00:50:27.92
They do not live to cross
and follow crossing the path of
00:50:27.92\00:50:30.93
self-denial and self-sacrifice.
00:50:30.93\00:50:33.76
They never know what it is
to have peace and harmony of the
00:50:33.76\00:50:37.00
soul
00:50:37.00\00:50:38.13
for without entire surrender.
There is no rest. You know,
00:50:38.13\00:50:42.10
joy, almost Christians yet
not only Christians they saying
00:50:42.10\00:50:47.48
near to the kingdom of heaven,
00:50:47.48\00:50:50.15
but they do not enter therein
almost but not wholly say needs
00:50:50.15\00:50:55.12
to be not almost wholly
last. Yes. So how can I find the
00:50:55.12\00:51:00.92
goodly pearl you?
00:51:00.92\00:51:04.39
>> I just want to mention
00:51:04.39\00:51:07.10
as Allan, what Elway is writing
this in the same ship to,
00:51:07.10\00:51:10.17
you know, she talks about this,
too, is to appreciate this.
00:51:10.17\00:51:13.77
This parable
00:51:13.77\00:51:15.27
one is that Christ
is the Goodly Pearl.
00:51:15.27\00:51:19.04
But what may help us in
division 2 recognized the pups.
00:51:19.04\00:51:22.24
A great emphasis may be
that we need this to this world.
00:51:22.24\00:51:27.15
Is that good people? And Jesus
is the good shepherd looking
00:51:27.15\00:51:31.42
for that good people. I think
when we flip it so we recognize
00:51:31.42\00:51:34.82
that God is one in the shoot
00:51:34.82\00:51:37.19
and that we are precious to
him. We have a goodly pull that
00:51:37.19\00:51:40.46
allows us to then
00:51:40.46\00:51:42.56
appreciate in the to what he's
done for us. So I would just
00:51:42.56\00:51:46.74
I would just flip that so that
00:51:46.74\00:51:48.94
rather than focusing on myself
having to to do what appears to
00:51:48.94\00:51:54.04
be difficult, I
recognize that to Christ.
00:51:54.04\00:51:57.51
I am a goodly pull and he's out
looking for me and he watched
00:51:57.51\00:52:01.48
the transform me.
00:52:01.48\00:52:02.85
Once we get, you know, a lot of
times as Christians, we want to
00:52:02.85\00:52:06.29
get ourselves in
the driver's seat
00:52:06.29\00:52:09.39
and be the focus of attention.
The point of the 18, 80 buses
00:52:09.39\00:52:12.96
is the uplifted save you.
00:52:12.96\00:52:14.83
He is the one that we have
to focus on. He's the one who's
00:52:14.83\00:52:18.83
reaching offices, his
initiative. This got pay has
00:52:18.83\00:52:21.94
been reaching out to us
pursuing us. Let me grab hold
00:52:21.94\00:52:24.84
of that. It not so hot. I
think if you focus on that
00:52:24.84\00:52:29.14
rather than looking at
ourselves first, look at him.
00:52:29.14\00:52:31.85
It changes how we look at
even statements like this.
00:52:31.85\00:52:34.92
>> No, and that, of course,
recognizing though that there
00:52:34.92\00:52:37.39
is a struggle that we know
there is a struggle or there's
00:52:37.39\00:52:39.95
a surrender that we have to
commit to week can't keep one
00:52:39.95\00:52:42.89
front in the world in one foot
in Christ. We're going to get
00:52:42.89\00:52:45.93
pulled away. And so there
is a surrender of the wall.
00:52:45.93\00:52:50.83
I can't work out miles of a
son, but I kinser and I will
00:52:50.83\00:52:53.70
tell him what to do that
he who began a good work.
00:52:53.70\00:52:57.44
>> Will be faithful to learned.
I'm willing to be made willing
00:52:57.44\00:53:00.68
to. I just wanted to read
one more because of the question
00:53:00.68\00:53:04.21
that asked to about obedience
or or fiction your eyes on
00:53:04.21\00:53:08.72
Jesus and his work. Please
understand obedience, not of
00:53:08.72\00:53:12.99
work. Crews have a shoe and
I wanted to read this. I love
00:53:12.99\00:53:17.79
this.
00:53:17.79\00:53:18.89
I say of 48 in verse 18,
the system or speaking and Jesus
00:53:18.89\00:53:25.53
own you.
00:53:25.53\00:53:27.64
He did
00:53:27.64\00:53:29.04
my commandments. We got
to always had a moral code,
00:53:29.04\00:53:32.47
a flop. You'll find all the 10
Commandments in June. The says
00:53:32.47\00:53:36.95
he's always have a moral code
of blood. They want something
00:53:36.95\00:53:40.62
new that was
given at Mount Sinai.
00:53:40.62\00:53:43.69
He says all that you hit heated
my commandments. Then your
00:53:43.69\00:53:47.79
piece, what it's been
like refer to when we walk
00:53:47.79\00:53:53.46
united to the Lord,
00:53:53.46\00:53:55.73
we find peace. We don't have to
worry about things but that he
00:53:55.73\00:54:00.14
says
00:54:00.14\00:54:01.00
and your righteousness
00:54:01.00\00:54:03.44
like the waves of the sea,
00:54:03.44\00:54:07.28
again, righteousness
is by faith. It is not
00:54:07.28\00:54:12.71
the only justification,
praise God for justification,
00:54:12.71\00:54:17.25
but there's the aspect
00:54:17.25\00:54:19.49
of his hips.
Sanctify us by today.
00:54:19.49\00:54:23.12
>> There's there's from I
like to say it this way in true
00:54:23.12\00:54:26.49
Christian experience. Obedience
isn't an obligation. It's an
00:54:26.49\00:54:30.17
inevitability. It.
Yeah. So yeah. So when we're
00:54:30.17\00:54:34.60
motivated by the love of Christ
Seconds, 5.14 says the love of
00:54:34.60\00:54:38.14
Christ composer constrains
and motivate energize removes
00:54:38.14\00:54:42.24
media. When that's
your motivational structure,
00:54:42.24\00:54:45.38
business doesn't become
an obligation, it becomes
00:54:45.38\00:54:47.98
inevitable outcome. It's so I
think I think when we we frame
00:54:47.98\00:54:51.42
obedience in terms of the
motivation, it occurs warframe
00:54:51.42\00:54:55.99
in terms of obligation, it's
always a mirage. We can never
00:54:55.99\00:54:58.93
quite invest. I'm just an
expression of art of the yeah.
00:54:58.93\00:55:03.33
Another poster this we said
you can never stamps in out,
00:55:03.33\00:55:06.74
you know, a crowded out.
00:55:06.74\00:55:08.77
>> I sent out with Jesus and he
didn't walk a mole. The triad.
00:55:08.77\00:55:15.11
Haha. Okay. We only have a
minute left. Tell us one more
00:55:15.11\00:55:18.58
time. You have a
conference coming up at.
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>> Andrews unit is worth that.
A Southern Adventist University
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and the dates. I'm 12 through
15 to July to well up on the
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screen reading.
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>> 15 and people can just show
up more. Can they can go to the
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18? 88.
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>> S and C dot. Oh, man.
It's the yeah. So thin that
00:55:41.97\00:55:48.81
they want housing. If they
want meals, they said sign up.
00:55:48.81\00:55:51.95
But if they're in the area they
want to come. It is hoped is
00:55:51.95\00:55:55.62
that meal tickets also on site
just yet. But to plan ahead for
00:55:55.62\00:55:58.95
the book Housing Preservation.
And Yeah, the it has been it.
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>> We could talk about what you
think. We acted excited to go.
00:56:04.56\00:56:08.83
His son were just a little
bit when you talk about this all
00:56:08.83\00:56:14.70
night and all day. But it
is such a beautiful top bacon.
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And I want to thank you,
Bob Hunsicker, thank you for the
00:56:18.57\00:56:21.48
work that you're doing with the
18 88 Miss Age study committee
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and
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then David, thank you for being
here. Brian. You he married.
00:56:29.32\00:56:33.52
Well, haha, it's good to
great. Well, thank you for that.
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You know, these are busy
doctors, but they love the
00:56:40.13\00:56:44.10
Lord. Mayor says they are
00:56:44.10\00:56:47.30
ambassadors for frankly, not
very much our prayer for those
00:56:47.30\00:56:53.41
of you at home is that the
grace of our Lord and Savior
00:56:53.41\00:56:56.64
Jesus Christ. I love that.
The father and the fellowship
00:56:56.64\00:57:00.52
of the Holy Spirit.
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>> We'll be with you. Always
like to be safe and strong
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