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00:04 >> I want to 00:10 [MUSIC] 00:17 [MUSIC] 00:22 [MUSIC] 00:31 [MUSIC] 00:33 >> 2 00:42 and 00:44 [MUSIC] 00:47 I want to stay in 00:49 [MUSIC] 00:52 too. 00:54 [MUSIC] 01:00 [MUSIC] 01:05 >> Hello and welcome to 3 again today live. We're so glad that 01:08 you joined us this evening. One of the reasons we enjoy 01:11 spending these 2 hours with use because you're part of the 01:13 3ABN, families. And we just want to say thank you for your 01:16 prayers and financial support for this ministry 01:19 because because of you, we're able to reach the entire world 01:22 for Jesus Christ, right? And that's with Reagan is all 01:25 about is about spreading the gospel, especially in these end 01:28 times. But tonight's two-hour special live program is going 01:31 to be really fun, isn't it tonight? 01:33 >> It is indeed because we have an incredible document too 01:37 early to talk about and share that came from the Adventist 01:40 Review Media team. 01:42 >> Wait, you said we're going to watch the documentary night. 01:45 Oh, wow. That is unusual for today. Life program. 01:48 >> Siad this story and the testimony of a changed life and 01:53 how that life is changing and influencing and impacting his 01:59 community and the world for Christ. So we want to introduce 02:02 to you our family around the table tonight. Elder bill, 02:07 not we have known and loved you for many years. He is the 02:11 executive editor of 73 View Ministries and it is a 02:15 privilege to have you here. 02:17 >> It is a delight to finally get to be here to talk with you 02:21 about this, this product that we're really pleased to share 02:24 with the theme. You know, thank you so much for your support. 02:26 Also 3, again, through the years and like Joe mentioned, 02:29 your friend to us personally, but also to the ministry 3. 02:32 Then you're all about supporting ministries in the 02:34 course of work for the obvious church for many, many years. 02:36 But your heart is in evangelism. 02:38 >> Well, you know, you see what God is doing. I had the 02:42 privilege of doing this around the world. And you think that's 02:45 a story that just has to be told somewhere else. Other 02:48 people are going to be changed or moved by it. And that's been 02:51 the privilege to be able to pick those stories and help 02:55 introduce them through friends and other media opportunities 02:58 and then. 03:00 >> So for those that don't know you, you have a wife to start 03:01 your kids, grandkids, and how long you've been in ministry. 03:05 >> But in ministry, 43 years, wow, and pastored for about 18 03:10 of those years. And for the last 25 years, I've been that 03:14 they had been a street view. And in the last 03:18 2 thirds of that time, 16 years as the executive editor it it, 03:23 I have grown up a long in the tooth is the and actually it 03:30 surprises me every now and again, when I look around and 03:32 realize just the span and how my own life it's changed. 03:37 My wife, Debbie, is that systems as a manager in General 03:41 Conference, human Resources Department file and heavily 03:44 engaged between it and human resources. I have 2 sons. 03:48 One is a pastor and communication director of the 03:50 Chesapeake Conference. Evan and his wife live just 20 minutes 03:54 from us. My other son Brady is a physical therapist and he and 03:57 his wife and our 2 krantz. It's a way as well. So it's a 04:02 wonderful time in our lives to be close to them and to to 04:06 really enjoy what God has given us as a as an extended family. 04:11 And then 04:12 >> you notice how he said and 2 friends. So I did notice that 04:15 the grand kids family again, it is priced alert for that coming 04:20 around the table here. We have Gabriel Bagel, who is the 04:23 director of digital platforms for adding to its review 04:27 ministries. And we have gotten to know you more recently, 04:30 of course, an elder not but Gabriel as well is a man of 04:33 God. And so appreciate not only your creativity and skill, 04:37 but your heart for people. It's right. Thank you for being 04:41 here tonight. 04:43 >> Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. So tell us a 04:45 little bit of what you've done and your family as well because 04:48 you've been a media probably since you were a baby. 04:50 >> One that's true. Up in the in the house of an evangelist 04:55 okay in South America. So my dad and mom have, you know, 05:00 the cable shows Shannon's, he's, you know, as a child. 05:04 So, yeah, it's been a that experience and also throughout 05:07 college when I was studying theology, you know, help, 05:10 you know, in production, but not the end. More recently more 05:15 formally put a conference Hearst and then they work for a 05:19 channel for Dickey allowed in and how the privilege is for 05:24 for years now. This working together with with Bill not 05:28 I've been through ministries. Families have small family. 05:32 My wife, Annie have been married for 14 years. Wow. 05:35 And a half to, you know, long waiting period. God blessed us 05:40 with that with a little girl that is for you for your soul. 05:44 Now the 2 and a U.S. change our life. Haha. So, yeah, you know, 05:50 people confuse that little kid with, you know, our 05:54 granddaughter, but it's not that. 05:56 >> Had the privilege of meeting her a few months ago. Leach to 06:01 cute adorable thing. 06:04 >> Good. So before we jump into the documentary, tell us just a 06:07 little bit older, not about the umbrella of Atlanta's to review 06:10 ministries and what that's all that. 06:13 >> The name is probably the best to recognize. Brandon had 06:16 been to some some surveys show that a few years ago. And for 06:20 most people, that means a magazine to print journal they 06:23 grew up with when I came to the ministry. That's what it meant. 06:27 It. I've I've thought that God must have a great sense of 06:31 humor to bring a historian who loves paper in print in to lead 06:36 into the digital age of the magazine because it's not my 06:40 custom to world. It's not the world I would choose. I when I 06:43 want to read something, I don't go online and I want to curl up 06:47 in the corner and read something hard copy. And so the 06:50 irony of my coming to the Ministry of the moment of just 06:54 explosive growth in the media generally and specifically the 06:58 development of digital platforms for administrative 07:01 you, including making documentaries that something I 07:06 can't even pretend I saw on the horizon. It might be tempting 07:10 to say yes, this is part of some big strategic vision. 07:13 No, the Lord brought us people like Gabriel who have a vision 07:17 for non print story. Tele digital storytelling showing us 07:23 in ways that connect better with younger generations. 07:25 Matricula early how to convey the same truths in beautiful 07:29 new ways. And the timeless story of God's redemption in 07:33 people's lives is really the purpose that made us move as a 07:38 whole ministry and in this case toward telling the story in a 07:41 documentary. Yeah. 07:43 >> And then I want to just touch on the aspect of the 07:44 atmosphere. You review your talking about print. Yeah, 07:47 and you're talking about digital which doesn't mean that 07:49 the Evers evidence review is just on your cell phone in your 07:52 talking. Actually video audio evidence review and doing 07:57 documentaries. But you also have avenues for our TV. 08:00 Tell us a little bit about that, too, because some of you 08:01 say, well, there's more than just documentaries. 08:03 >> Evidence review TV is really in part the creation of Gabriel 08:07 and several others on the team who brought together an idea 08:12 that we could have is an on-demand platform. Each are 08:16 the best of Adventists programming and creating a 08:20 place that's family friendly where individuals can go in 08:24 search. But Harry Uhl's by category. You want to watch a 08:27 nature video with your family on Friday night. You've got 08:29 many choices. You want to have a children's programming. 08:33 Many choices. You want to look at the theological content 08:37 where you want to look at mission will content. We're 08:39 giving people giving are viewers choices is really what 08:44 we've learned is the future of our ministry. When print will 08:48 always be a core component, correct. And we do that in vast 08:52 quantities. But in the last 7 years, particularly has helped 08:58 us branch out, particularly evidence. Review TV is probably 09:01 one of our best known products now because it has hundreds of 09:05 pieces of content that reach across all kinds of topics. 09:09 So how does somebody go there and find this content for the 09:12 Web site? 09:13 >> Yeah, they just go to live in to review that TV in this 09:16 case, the o*** with big them to our main Web site. But if you 09:19 do that TV, then they can come to our media platform. Logan is 09:25 free, of course, and then consume the content perhaps to 09:29 only add a little bit to what you said, Bill, hard to up to 09:31 that that the the the emphases that were placing even though 09:36 moving forward is that we want to have the same for season 2, 09:39 it quit paying. That's how his case to members to go and make 09:45 disciples as well. So that's an infancy sets and love that. 09:49 That's the historic mission of the ministry from 18. 49, 09:53 not simply too. 09:55 >> To help people feel comfortable in being at Venice, 09:58 but to help them feel comfortable in sharing that 10:00 data. And the the focus that is particularly coming in the 10:04 months ahead will align our content with that equipping 10:09 side even more directly. I'm very good. 10:13 >> We're going to be going to the documentary which we're 10:15 talking about. So want to set that up for us because we're 10:18 going to do this evening. It's about a one-hour 10:20 documentary. We're going to talk about a little bit of set 10:22 it up. Watch about 30 minutes of it. Go to the break and come 10:25 back. Watch the next 30 minutes or so and then close this this 10:29 2 hours but set the story of force because this is a really 10:32 powerful story. Joe and I have the opportunity of seeing the 10:36 did debut mayor say was that about 3 years ago move just 10:40 almost exactly 3 years ago. Yes, it's powerful testament to 10:43 set this up for us. We're getting ready to see. 10:46 >> Sometimes as a said, the Lord brings a story you didn't 10:49 expect and and shows you something you never knew was 10:53 coming. I was in Europe on several items related to the 10:57 business of having a street view and was asked to make a 11:00 visit on a very financially successful. Dennis does miss 11:05 and to see if he would be interested in investing in a 11:09 film production. I had never met him. I got directions to 11:13 the tiny little farm town. He lives in outside of Prague. 11:16 And in the summer of 2008, he made my way out there. Not only 11:21 did he agree to help invest in the film. He started telling me 11:24 a bit about his life, walked me around the town and they began 11:28 realizing what this man had contributed to his community. 11:32 His own personal story was so compelling. I thought I said to 11:36 him, 11:37 the team has anyone told your story. 11:41 I've told him that a few of Angeles tick meetings, but no 11:44 one else was sure that I said 11:46 we will do that game. And and so it took us a year to get 11:50 everything organized, to get the film crew to get our own 11:53 team ready to go and to get into his schedule. It takes 11:56 months to get into this very busy man schedule. So in the 11:59 summer of 2019, good Gabriel and the team that include crew 12:05 from Ukrainian Hope Media Center. They drove from the 12:08 Ukraine down to be with us in the Czech Republic. Here we are 12:12 all gathered in this this tiny little farm town where he lives 12:17 and 12:18 you begin to understand us. His story unfolds that God has 12:22 been at work in this man's life 12:25 since he was a child. Well, much of it in 12:29 careful, slow developmental ways. Until finally, he was 12:33 ready to make a decision for faith, 12:35 even in the midst of some very difficult life stirs. 12:38 >> That's what I was going to ask is why his story. There's 12:41 many people with many powerful stories. We know that he went 12:45 from sweeping the streets yesterday to owning this yet. 12:48 So he's wealthy. He's a businessman. He gives back. 12:52 But why specifically his story? 12:55 >> I have never met anyone who uses 12:58 the wealth. God has blessed him with quite as easily meaning 13:03 his his sense of I must return this to the people around me. 13:09 If you look at it, the community he's helped to build 13:13 in his little farm town. If you look at what he's done 13:16 in his business park in Prague, you begin to get a sense that 13:20 here's a man who believes that what God has blessed me with 13:24 Imus to return to bless the lives of others so that if 13:28 they're the one out sweeping the streets today, God may have 13:31 a future for them that they haven't even envisioned. 13:34 That's powerful. But you get real. 13:36 >> You're involved with this documentary. You're the 13:39 producer, correct? And we tried, you know, one thing that 13:43 the bill has some really one of the things he's at. 13:46 And can you just mentioned that we try to work with teams and 13:51 people around the world that are willing to, you know, 13:53 to see the vision and go for it. So in this case, yeah, 13:57 we produced it. We helped on that in the assembled a team in 14:01 this case, this young team from the Ukraine came to help us 14:04 drove was a way to Czech Republic. It was amazing to see 14:09 18 year-old drone operator do the same. But just because 14:12 you're going to see another view is that, you know, your 14:14 audience is going to see now these beautiful shots. So the 14:17 young vibrant team and we had Rico, he'll do it the film. 14:23 So he did an amazing job of that. And of course, having 14:27 bill, not the storyteller and you know, that sealed the deal 14:30 in a in a cope. The move us how can can, you know, see how this 14:35 story unfolds. This is a beautiful stuff. 14:37 >> You know, and also one thing that's impressed us, too, 14:40 is that he's very much mention of businessmen, but he's a 14:43 member of a U.S. I would you at home are very few moves as it 14:47 has been involved as side for a long, long time. This man 14:51 believes the spreading the gospel in his sphere of 14:53 influence, which his sphere of influence is huge. But it 14:56 didn't start out that way. And that's where we're getting 14:59 ready here this evening. This wonderful story, what God 15:01 has done and redeem pastors, pastors life. So let's go to 15:06 the beginning of this documentary right now. 15:08 [MUSIC] 15:13 [MUSIC] 15:18 >> I really have to see it for myself. Man described as having 15:22 it all. 15:25 Super sports cars. The Cayenne featured in young men's 15:28 fantasies, 15:30 [MUSIC] 15:32 the dream home with a lovely Christian family. 15:35 [MUSIC] 15:38 With all that, why would anyone spend time money and so much 15:42 effort to make sure that others know that Jesus Hooper, him has 15:46 become savior and Lord of Everett. 15:50 I've traveled to Prague in the Czech Republic to learn 15:53 firsthand the story of good being passed. 15:56 [MUSIC] 16:01 [MUSIC] 16:04 He's a man who's triumphed over personal tragedy, trials and 16:08 setbacks to be used by God in the most unusual ways. 16:12 [MUSIC] 16:17 [MUSIC] 16:19 I'm bill down 16:20 and the journalist in me loves a good story. 16:23 [MUSIC] 16:27 Redeem lives just outside Prague. 16:30 This historic city often referred to as beautiful Prague 16:34 is one of the word of mouth favorites for seasoned 16:36 travelers and those who love history. 16:40 I've read about redeems wealth. It would be hard to ignore the 16:43 way his name shows up on business and real estate 16:46 websites that feature development. You're 16:49 [MUSIC] 16:54 [MUSIC] 16:57 I've even read descriptions of his missionary work around the 17:00 world and his affection for the little town step could get 17:04 sick. 17:05 He rebuilt key parts of this old farming village added value 17:09 to it in ways that enrich the residents lives. It's a town of 17:13 less than 300 people. 17:16 It's a place where redeem has built a unique relationship 17:20 with his neighbors 17:21 [MUSIC] 17:26 [MUSIC] 17:29 in the Bible. Jesus says that it's easier for a camel to go 17:33 through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter 17:37 heaven. We're going to see if that's true in this case. 17:44 [MUSIC] 17:49 [MUSIC] 17:54 >> This is my life. But about a 17:55 [MUSIC] 18:00 we've met in 2012 on the later, some was born 18:05 [MUSIC] 18:11 2015. And then there's some Benjamin was born 18:14 [MUSIC] 18:17 and the amount that was born in 2018. 18:20 [MUSIC] 18:25 [MUSIC] 18:30 [MUSIC] 18:34 >> It's very apparent. It takes both. 18:37 >> Mother and father to raise 3 active boys. What's it like to 18:42 try to raise 3 sons who are all very active? 18:47 >> Every to go to court to. So it's it's a good rule of 18:50 law. Need to thank should have been as one of them. Did you 18:54 come to my mind? The local to so can say you'll need that 19:01 gets a little bit ala this image of him. He should be fun, 19:05 but its addiction is that that can make a run. 19:07 >> Redeem how do you balance a very 19:11 busy corporate career with a commitment to 3 boys under the 19:16 age of 6? 19:18 >> You have 2 bombs, of course, every day that their time I 19:21 have. So the big portions of its gross, my business, 19:26 it's my ministry. It's my family. Sometimes you have 19:29 folks from their stronghold east, but in the end to its 19:34 really important to spend your time with their kids because 19:37 it's one of the best investment you can do. The commission 19:41 parents. It's that important to so kits for Jesus. 19:46 >> It was worshipped eye to eye 100 game's oldest son redeem 19:50 junior, joined them sitting with redeem and reflecting on 19:54 his little ones. I found myself thinking about how redeem sons 19:58 are near perfect replicas of him when he was their age. 20:02 Redeem pastor was born in 1963. 20:07 just 5 years before the remarkable flowering of 20:10 democracy known as the Prague Spring, 20:14 [MUSIC] 20:18 a brief moment of hope that was squashed, 20:21 which echoes of kit was invaded by the Soviet Union and several 20:24 Warsaw pact nations. 20:27 >> You grew up at a time that was very difficult in this 20:30 country. In fact, in your book, you refer to this era as the 20:35 building of Socialism era. What was it like being a 20:39 teenager at the time of communist dominance in 20:43 Czechoslovakia? 20:45 >> Because the main issue for most of the people also local 20:50 freedom, my childhood full squad. 20:53 But the in my teenage H I could still more and more one B of a 20:58 and both of you a lack of freedom and our come to an end 21:01 to it the most encouragement. 21:04 >> By August 1968, Soviet and Warsaw pact armies invaded 21:09 Czechoslovakia and restored normalization. Postponing your 21:13 hopes that some day 21:16 you might really be free as God created you to be. 21:20 >> For a man whose life is very different now, how do you look 21:23 back at that time? 21:24 >> Of course, the life growth in this first show isn't worth 21:28 substantially lower than today. 21:30 >> Did you ever have any idea that you might someday have a 21:34 life like this? The time for sure, not. 21:37 >> In the late 1970's, there were many ways up and out 21:41 toward freedom. But one of them was sports during his teen 21:45 years. Redeem knew exactly what he wanted to be 21:49 a professional soccer player. 21:51 >> Many young boys the to be the best soccer player in the 21:56 world. The same with me. 21:58 [MUSIC] 22:03 [MUSIC] 22:07 I was 11. I started to play for the legal team would hit me and 22:11 Brown. I was quite the talent. It and I like to do. 22:16 >> Nice things with the ball and scored 2 goals. The things 22:19 is a lot of school and I knew and I met in the first guy I 22:22 want to behind him and he is Chatham after that to be shared 22:25 at able to get to go to that. It was an excellent football, 22:29 right? He would always play would be pulled out of that 22:32 feet are 40 years older than him. And he was really good for 22:37 about 15 years. You will receive those about to vote. 22:40 >> When I was 18 and I started to play the Juno, the you know, 22:44 come to I get a little bit crazy. 22:47 [MUSIC] 22:50 >> Yeah, that was a moment where they're at and, you know, 22:53 some parties from become second. So that's when he 22:56 changed most of that ring out the whole I started to small 23:00 and it really didn't help. 23:02 >> But prices could go to the next 6 years off. 23:06 >> Growth to put in my life. You wrote very candidly in your 23:10 autobiography about visiting bars and clubs and casual 23:14 relationships. In fact, one friend advised a young woman be 23:20 very careful over the he's a womanizer. Unfortunately, 23:23 it was this true. 23:26 >> But after my high school dignity, I have 2 options 23:30 long to go for 2 years for the communist Army. And the second 23:34 option food will come to know it's that in the universe. 23:38 So I truth to come to know where to start it. But the I I 23:42 wasn't good student. 23:43 >> You weren't able to finish that degree and that by the 23:48 time you are in your early 20's, you actually found 23:51 yourself 23:53 working as a street sweeper. Yes, it was always too good. 23:56 >> Some money. I'm going to the pop for both my parents. 24:01 I didn't want to help me with my b*** lifestyle. 24:07 When I was 24, I understood I destroyed my life. I spoke with 24:13 my friends today. I commend it to me to start that something 24:18 in the gym, Floyd and off to run the year with some positive 24:22 progress. I quit smoking. I went back to my team and 24:27 soaker better shortly after my knee injury came so I couldn't 24:32 play on the top level on the Czech German got it from a real 24:36 estate office coming to work for him and spring golf. 24:39 9 thing he cited a chicken in public was just to buy the 24:44 report. This I helped him to find a suitable properties 24:48 which were potential for buying. I've got some good to 24:51 put the nation from the banks and when I started my own 24:55 business the and go from 90 on banks trusted. 24:59 >> My first impression of him last. 25:02 Wow. This is thing. You saw the check and a grandmother 25:06 and he was trying to be very honest from the beginning in 25:11 the 90's there given the ticker publicly leaf and a little bit 25:19 too wild to rest at the beginning. We just just bored. 25:24 >> From the parties and off to quite a short time, the fold. 25:27 >> The game, the Bushnell says really brain a poll that they 25:33 cause. He think I'm like the best in people. 25:38 I'm a specialist in real estate finance in the 90's. We stopped 25:42 it to finance the first awfully schools and shopping center. 25:46 Send industry properties interest rates at the time. 25:51 Checking the public will spread to high. It was impossible to 25:54 keep the real estate for a long time. So Mister Fossa came 25:58 late. Varied big Moe. The upper house put them older in the 26:04 middle of the table. And and of the people tried to persuade 26:08 the banks here and she took it public to finance the forest 26:11 offices here. 26:17 [MUSIC] 26:22 [MUSIC] 26:27 [MUSIC] 26:28 [MUSIC] 26:32 >> New winds were beginning to blow in Czechoslovakia. And 26:35 some of those were the result of the creative work of box 26:38 office haul. One of eastern Europe's most talented 26:41 playwrights and authors hobbles influence accelerated with the 26:45 rise of Mikhail Gorbachev. As first secretary of the 26:48 Soviet Communist Party. What Gorbachev had hoped would give 26:51 legitimacy to the communist system. I actually brought it 26:55 to a crashing halt. What began as a trickle of student 26:59 protesters became a nationwide movement to peacefully 27:02 overthrow the one party state. Underwood's Czechs and Slovaks 27:06 had lived for more than 40. There's 500,000 people swelled 27:12 the streets of Prague to them and the lifting of restrictions 27:15 on speech culture, religion. 27:18 [MUSIC] 27:22 >> Shortly after a robot that will shun, I meant to go 27:24 findings who became my life and the gentleman to see I hit my 27:30 marriage. 27:31 >> I knew he survive very well. She leaves in my building 2 for 27:35 us down. 27:36 >> You are at a point when your business career was taking off, 27:40 your company was fairly new and growing rapidly. You would 27:44 recently got married after 4 years. Your wife is expecting 27:50 your first child must have been a moment initially that seemed 27:53 very, very hopeful to absolutely tools. 27:56 >> Meaning of my life to have some 27:59 and to hand over one day, my successful family business to 28:04 him. I will set the 5 that will still put my 28:08 but official and personal life doing the first building could 28:11 be sent to us. Sexist foot, finished and policed. 28:16 But you I was much more 28:18 happier because of our for some. 28:21 The name makes of a squad that is showing no family. My father 28:25 was makes my grandfather and my get in get in father. It was 28:29 quite this soon. Ain't so. My father was so happy about 28:33 that early on. 28:34 >> Things looked quite stable for the little boy. You called 28:38 little Mak's Sixweek City. 28:40 >> We thought we have healthy boy, 28:43 a healthy baby boy in our home and after 6 weeks, my wife 28:48 notice he's not. You think so? Well, as the short so things 28:52 they be visit the hospital 28:54 and even death known, he's sick and his brain and he has to go 28:59 some surgery makes the at 6 weeks. Yes, 6 weeks old. 29:05 So to have been too well, but the doctors needed to know what 29:11 was the reason for the center. So you have to go on the 29:15 monument to call Arizonans. Yes, no, or is old Wilson 29:20 really because of the forest because he had a tumor in his 29:24 head and he had no chance to sit with that for the first 29:28 time in my life, my and slit my life. 29:34 I would like to change myself 29:36 because she called me got long to sell something 29:41 and he started to pray. 29:43 >> I hadn't really been praying people before. 29:46 >> Definitely not me. I started to pray for you and I didn't 29:50 know how and the the believe that little monks will be here 29:57 because of God's grace. But in the end, it didn't happen. 30:02 You die. You will see a mix. So that also 30:07 I want to worst part of my life. 30:12 >> Could anything good come out of this tragedy? Would a loving 30:16 God be able to bring something to redeem his life that could 30:19 have happened in no other way. 30:21 >> I was 30:23 I'm no Ressam who was living 30:27 coding will of God. I knew it. 30:31 I want to let the months to be raised. But the person that I 30:35 was about a mile Knowles, 30:37 no chance to change it. 30:39 >> Everything was going so well for a team that I didn't know 30:43 it was going to work out the moment this happened the Mac. 30:46 So it was really, really hard to accept a little bit. 30:49 >> One of the first the 30:52 interest to the stun from Bible as well as help them off the 30:57 debt. But what does that little Max? 31:00 Because I grew up in a couple of families. So that is 31:06 the chain about a MARTA bus. Oh, yes. And to my first, 31:11 my first impression was going every day through the center 31:15 and talk a little marks. I've got to but is soon 31:19 information from the Bible. Thanks to our friends. There is 31:26 some other solution, though, does not think of the death and 31:30 the it wasn't easy for me to understand that. 31:33 >> One of them that IBM's x of ice on go happened to be and a 31:37 dentist and she asked him to pray for them. 31:40 >> But close enough, my life Simona she will. Some of the 31:43 event is the time 31:45 she spoke 31:46 with my life. But it often about a Bible and my life felt 31:50 that her cousin gold hair 31:53 biblical. True. But she knew that the rules not possible to 31:58 go with me about it. Before sickness of little mix by then 32:04 things change. And I was ready to list some voice of God. 32:09 >> In 1998, the Global 7th Day Adventist Church turned its 32:13 attention to net night here. And in turn National 32:16 Evangelistic event hosted by Dwight Nelson, the pastor of 32:19 the Pioneer Memorial Church, men and women in dozens of 32:23 countries heard the word of God that brought fresh hope to tens 32:27 of thousands who are struggling to know what to do with their 32:31 newfound freedom. 32:32 [MUSIC] 32:34 >> During this time, he also started studying the Bible 32:39 and other inspired writings to learn more as fast as you 32:44 could. This was a 32:46 a real growth time in your life, even though it's been a 32:49 time of loss. 32:50 >> Because what would you mind? It's nice that I deem bus 32:53 Senate in 1994. Out of French was strictly business. 4 years 32:58 later, we made this personal friends at MIT. 98 howdy to 33:03 integrate what you are learning. 33:04 >> From the Bible, about the future, with your own plans for 33:09 the future as a businessman. 33:10 >> When I first met that ID, we were at one of the Mitt 98 33:15 meetings. I so them what you need a vga and that I deem and 33:19 his wife showed up with that live in jackets and groups like 33:22 like this. This and I knew months possibly to his vice 33:26 president. She eventually charge every loss in the vile 33:29 and that we share the same fate is about to be denied the 33:32 aisles ration. He was looking for something that could guide 33:35 him something that could even fate to move forward. And I'm 33:39 not sure. 33:40 >> Every day, right? He made time to come to the meetings. 33:43 So he came to the bus to the timing. Call for off perfect. 33:47 So I visited with my wife all 27 m a. 33:50 >> Like all 27 leaders in a row. 33:53 >> It's all from doing Fleming for him because it's within 33:56 that time I started on this than bible. Of course, purposes 34:01 this work. I really makes your fate deeper. 34:07 >> Somehow the Bible truth about death and resurrection 34:12 was a great comfort, then wasn't. 34:14 >> It's both for all of this. Some encouragement for me 34:17 because I learned, OK, small babies, likely the mikes 34:22 couldn't take any decision for or against guys, one of like a 34:26 sofa. Can I personally do something to be with him again 34:33 and so Jesus? 34:35 >> With this possible when couples go through a loss like 34:39 that, many of them struggle in their relationship, 34:43 was that also true? 34:45 >> For you and your way? Not really. Because the both 34:48 had the same desire. 34:51 We live our lives with Jesus 34:54 and the United U.S.. The decided often that 98 could be 35:00 baptized in the some of the event is to it. 35:03 We were sure the would like to be part of this church. 35:07 >> I've seen a video clip 35:09 of an unusual baptism by immersion. Yeah. Under the 35:13 water. Both of you at once that isn't done very often. 35:17 >> He spoke with Boston about the facilities so far about 35:21 this. And he he said just that us it can be to how we can be 35:26 both the U.S. and to be like that to understand, too. 35:31 You can have and to have 35:34 your small baby 35:36 and they do. And they fear 35:39 that opened the pain. You can raise him. 35:44 They're frank environment to have it, 35:47 which I think it'll be amazing for any Christians who lost 35:53 their child. 35:55 [MUSIC] 35:58 >> When you are in that growth time, 36:01 how do the people around you respond? 36:04 >> People are responded to befriend play. Some of them. 36:07 They sold. I'm a little bit crazy 36:11 who became a believer because some night some some others 36:16 just like that. 36:18 If it's just short, something short them alt or if it's only 36:23 for the whole life, some people told me you are booked. Eyes is 36:27 the maybe board as they cut the leak. So why would you like to 36:32 be? But that's the game. And the girl, some people spoke 36:35 about slow, not nice things 36:39 because if people don't on this than some think it's very easy 36:43 to judge the people that. 36:45 >> Shortly after your baptism, 36:47 this terrible loss, this time of great personal discovery, 36:52 some colleagues 36:53 proved not to be so loyal. 36:55 >> One year after losing Corey La Mike's City, Michael's this 36:59 goalie made a good team in together and still my compass. 37:03 Still the company. Yes. 37:05 One year after losing KMOX, 37:07 he didn't have any baby and I hadn't even even the company 37:13 city people tied to hire some short the from Russia to kill 37:17 him. He was the second step off the they veteran sexy to feel 37:24 my company. 37:26 Thanks to the Lord. Jesus gave me strength to forgive them, 37:31 OK, you don't know if they didn't the interest in. That 37:35 was also the hopeful to me personally because I didn't 37:39 feel any hate in my heart. After 3 months I've got a 37:44 company back. They've got a little bit more Travis, more 37:48 equity. Yes, I was grateful to God at the end because the 37:51 company Rose just before big deals. Thanks to God. 37:56 Thanks to this people. They did it. I could hire a new team of 38:00 people. I did it with my lord because I pray it will be able 38:05 to get, you know, company, the right people 38:08 professionally and more of it. 38:11 >> And even Jesus Rosin in Ryan's life. I don't think that 38:14 these bees knees with a grown because everything was brought 38:17 down these horrible experiences. 38:20 >> With the majority of the shares of stock now in the 38:23 hands of his former friends who had wrested control of his 38:27 company from him, redeem began to rebuild his organization 38:31 this time with employees whose integrity he knew he could rely 38:36 starting with a small group of trusted colleagues. Redeem 38:39 positioned his company to take advantage of the boom in real 38:43 estate development that hit Eastern Europe in the first 5 38:46 years of the 21st century. 38:48 Within a short while, what had been his minority share of his 38:52 company had become multiples of what he once controlled as he 38:56 focused on personal and business integrity. 39:01 Jobe says 39:02 even though he takes my life. 39:05 >> I will trust this. 39:08 That's something you found that you could begin to say. 39:11 >> I don't don't compare myself. It's such a good person 39:15 like Joe. They buy day my trust in got 39:19 we'll see. Improving and improving. I dedicate it to him 39:23 ever sink, including my business. 39:25 There was one thing we didn't that okay to do God's hands 39:29 completely. And it also 39:32 desire to have another baby 39:34 more than 2 years after losing flu marks the and thus to this 39:39 necessarily prove that, okay, this 4 of the most important 39:44 life issue complete with 2 hands. So got the better for 39:47 the pair to accept Bill O God, even though the we don't have 39:53 and the other baby in our life. But Glenn, the did it 39:58 after 3 months of my life lost. But I can on the game, it will 40:04 still run over the nicest experience with the got in my 40:07 life coming. 40:08 >> That sort of full circle. 40:10 And I believe he carries your name. 40:12 >> Yes, because marks most the for some. And he spoke with my 40:19 life even before Max was born. 40:22 If we would have won the and other some, he would be that I 40:26 get to know. 40:28 >> I can imagine every day when you see the Dean junior, 40:33 some part of you thinks 40:35 of him as gods gift to the time of real loss. 40:40 >> Yes, 40:41 I remember we came back from the hospital 40:44 and 40:45 played him to the baby. Kate 40:49 kneel down 40:50 and the ticket that won him both to God's hands. 40:54 And that will see one of the day at this moment in my life. 40:57 [MUSIC] 41:00 >> We as later I had serious car accident. 41:04 [MUSIC] 41:06 >> We've got Makar was slit saved my life. I was the only 41:10 person who was involved in the accident. I will say it is Lee 41:13 in Jordan. My head I'm I've got safe my life and he complete 41:19 played the opening on the lake to. I've got to know that 41:22 notice some of the nation should get to my wife and some 41:25 of them. And so it will set up an for situation. With 1007, 41:29 the divorced 41:30 [MUSIC] 41:34 got a good use to anybody who owns 41:40 forgiveness. I need it. 41:43 A local forgiveness to compete there. Trump, the Steelers, 41:47 9 bathrooms, every single person or anything 41:51 to be in the Nets kingdom. He should do the same shortly 41:55 after the boyfriend of my life. 41:58 >> Going back to me and ask for forgiveness. So we met. I 42:03 talked to him where I am. If God forgave me for the 42:06 field, it was one of the nicest expensive, the guy that 42:11 everybody does. Most of them really they matter and the 42:14 great experiences well to be as if people do, when do we stay 42:19 calm 42:20 that can income I this throwing person alive? I couldn't 42:25 imagine I would be accept that my only son that time and I 42:29 think, you know, would be raised by him. 42:32 >> We spoke to off the sometime. I'm the school mice 42:36 mice. 42:37 I like him. So it means the economy is such a big first we 42:41 go. And and today I I'm really grateful to God he corpse 42:48 locally to start. 42:49 >> And I do believe the video, different lifestyle and how 42:52 he's leaving now used to box the laws and the moment he 42:56 changed his lifestyle led him back to tease business world in 43:00 a positive way. 43:03 >> A man that's an income double start to the document. 43:07 Harry redeemed. The cinematography is amazing and I 43:12 love the video. I love the way you put that together. But to 43:16 me, the heart of this is the story. Yes, that is the heart 43:20 in the change in to think of what really impacted me was 43:25 that intimate portion part way through where reading talked 43:29 about the death of little mass. Yeah. And the pain that he went 43:33 through. But yet in the midst of that difficulty, how God 43:36 brought transformation and healing, that's powerful. 43:40 >> When I first heard the outlines of that stirring a 43:44 year previous to our crew going there, 43:46 I was caught by the vulnerability that the Dean 43:49 demonstrated many individuals who succeeded in the 43:52 professional world find ways of sort of smoothing over the 43:56 awkward and painful parts of their past. He's chosen not to 44:00 his chosen to remember it and to tell it 44:03 and knowing that the power of the gospel in them in the mind 44:08 of those who hear his story will remind them of the 44:11 possibilities of change and transformation in their own 44:14 lives. 44:15 I found it deeply emotional for me to sit there and hear him 44:21 tell the story in full a year after his goal. Instead, 44:24 I didn't hold many of the details until the second 44:28 opportunity with the crew. 44:30 And as he talked, 44:32 I began to get the sense that this was going to be the part 44:35 that was most memorable of the of the first portion of this 44:40 film because 44:42 so many people have a story like this, difficulty pain, 44:48 challenge Voss and get God uses those to achieve a moment of of 44:54 of joy of transformation in their life. And they can begin 44:58 to understand that all things to work together for good for 45:03 those who love God, we don't see that in one week or one 45:06 month or even sometimes one year. Sure. But the long arc of 45:10 what God is doing becomes visible in lives and redeem 45:14 very 45:15 boldly puts that story have front. That's what made it 45:19 compelling. What makes a compelling video? 45:21 >> Yeah, absolutely. You know his conversion experience. 45:24 Yeah, powerful. You know, he's he's obviously a very wealthy 45:27 man, right? Very, very successful, know, very 45:31 successful. But yet he was still missing something. 45:34 And it's interesting because I like how you guys I got the 45:37 story from like co-workers are business people or some that do 45:41 the work for him. And they're talking about the change that 45:43 they noticed that took place we need except to Christ and not 45:47 all of those individuals are persons of faith. 45:50 >> And they were in her interview there. Some of them 45:51 are our colleagues who have never made a faith commitment 45:54 or certainly not an administrate commitment. 45:56 And yet they're telling us about the changes they've seen 45:59 in his life because they've known him for 30 years, just 46:02 watched him go through this process of both a touring in 46:07 his own faith and being very public about inviting other 46:10 people to share. 46:12 >> Good to me. When I was watching it, there's 2 pivotal 46:15 moments. Now, of course, he will put it together you with 46:18 off and probably say there's different ones. But one, 46:20 of course, is the death of little Max. That's a given 46:22 moment. And then him studying the Bible except in Christ, 46:26 in the midst of grief and pain, seen that transformation. 46:30 But the other pivotal moment he's with his ex-wife and him. 46:34 Forgive me. That's so powerful. A point because so many times, 46:41 OK, we accept Christ and things are going well and 46:44 then another crisis occurs and then to actually for kieff 46:48 someone that's huge. 46:50 >> He said that that, you know, the whole crew when we heard 46:54 the story was most touched by it. You know, this man again in 46:59 that he's so wealthy and would not be in school board or a 47:02 bull in telling the stories. But we've got to see his heart 47:05 and how got transformed him from a person that will go to 47:09 parties. And, you know, and then, you know, the world, 47:12 these kinds of things to up the person that I can understand 47:15 the grace of God, that to the extent that he can forgive, 47:19 yes, something that, you know, many concealed this chest 47:21 height recent. How can you for keep something like these? 47:24 And he, you know, heap showed us how. And that's that's 47:28 amazing. Of course, he creates a door. But we, you know, 47:32 the that the calendar of got nice life was just amazing. 47:36 How got moved him from, you know, these place of not even 47:41 knowing Christ. 47:42 Do you know the extension of that scrase into someone else's 47:46 life? 47:47 >> The remarkable experience that we had hearing him talk 47:51 about how his ex-wife and her new husband are both 47:58 re baptized and are back in the Adventist faith again after 48:03 what many people would consider an irreconcilable rupture. 48:07 Now they all relate as friends. They see each other on social 48:13 things. Obviously, the Sharon raising a son, 48:16 the sad that we were in the area that I was attending a 48:20 outdoor evangelistic series that redeem preaching 48:24 his ex-wife is they're singing in the front row. I'm thinking 48:28 board. How do you do this? How do you how do you mend a 48:31 broken people this well, how do you go? That's how do you did 48:34 and how do you connect people who thought they would never 48:38 speak with these individuals again and bring them back where 48:41 they can say in the family of God, we're still engaged in our 48:46 commitments to care for each other, even though our personal 48:49 lives are going to parking. 48:51 >> You know, how do you go ahead? You're going to say 48:53 something. Oh, no, just the you know, something that happened 48:55 behind the scenes. If you are talking till about that moment 48:58 when when that intimate conversation happened right 49:01 after that. But being himself 49:03 grabs, you know, put in a prawn and serves a meal. Yeah, 49:08 for the whole crew, we have made the stage for you and you 49:12 know it. It's it's a typical chick. We have made that up. 49:15 And we know that area. And so, you know, just just so people 49:18 can can see how a person this wealthy can be so close and 49:23 have, you know, its feet on that 49:26 he actually serve the whole team. And one just to 49:30 experience that everybody, you know, I will really paid 49:34 attention to the ice of those parts of the younger, you know, 49:37 portion of the team, the the test could not believe in even 49:41 then 49:42 with these very simple things. So he'd be ready, managed to 49:47 minister to them and say, you know, so, you know, we will 49:50 come in have people that serve you. And I know that the least, 49:53 you know, you know, I want you to build comfortable and 49:56 welcoming might my house. 49:58 >> I was struck for the first time I met him that he has not 50:02 used his great commercial success to distance himself 50:05 from other people. He's actually used it as a way to 50:08 move in and say my life was broken. 50:12 God changed me. God can do things for you that you haven't 50:16 even imagined. When you when you hear that from someone who 50:20 has gone from, as you said, sweeping the streets, still 50:22 owning them, you realize the transforming power of God. 50:26 Is that part of the gospel? We as ad business has 50:30 historically underlined. Yes, God is saving us through 50:34 the grace of Jesus Christ. And we see celebrate that. 50:37 We tell you the world about that. And we also say that that 50:41 Greece transforms us over time more and the likeness of Jesus 50:45 so that we can forgive people who've heard us deeply. We can 50:51 build successful reconciled relationships with people who 50:54 have been treated as well. That illustrates the power of 50:58 the gospel that the apostle Paul writes about all the time. 51:01 It's not just the fact of salvation. It's the experience 51:05 of living alongside people got invites us to think of his 51:08 brothers and sisters. And and 51:11 >> at the beginning of the documentary is really good 51:14 year. It talks about 51:17 Matthew and about how it's easier for a camel to go 51:21 through the eye of a needle Richmond to enter heaven, 51:23 right? You talk about that the very beginning. So just comment 51:26 on that because I know that he's a very humble man. Yeah, 51:29 you get the same time. He's very successful. So how do you 51:34 then portray who he is without? You know, I know he doesn't 51:37 want to be like, oh, look what I've done, getting all the 51:40 stuff that's very that's that can be challenging, right? 51:44 But many people tend to put. 51:47 >> Those who have commercial success or welfare is in a 51:50 category that assumes these can't the people of deep faith. 51:55 It's a false assumption, but nonetheless, it's common. 51:58 And so we we knew that that question was going to be in 52:02 line to viewers when you walk through the gates of his home 52:06 in this small village and you see the 2 got these parts in 52:12 his garage and the Bentley and the receive these bins. And you 52:16 realize that he has many of the symbols of wealth and success 52:21 and achievement. 52:22 It can be tempting to say, well, then he must somehow be 52:26 kind of hiding his face, just the opposite. In fact, the more 52:30 time you spend with them and the more you realize that these 52:35 are simply as he says, the blessings of God in my life, 52:38 they aren't mine. I don't own them, got his put these in my 52:42 hands so that I can bless and help other people. And, you 52:45 know, I was surprised as I we listened to talked with that 52:50 people who've known him for years and the people in the 52:53 community who where he has built 52:56 town buildings and playgrounds for the children in this tiny 53:00 little village. 53:01 They all think of him as someone who's gospel 53:05 transformed life is changing their community. Au that to me 53:10 is our full is the best uses of the wealth to puts in people's 53:13 hands a man. 53:15 >> And by now the viewers have seen and we have all seen the 53:18 part of of he said the the secret for him that daily 53:24 time with Christ in the whole family holding hands, Portia 53:27 singing hymns, reading scripture and having up a life 53:31 of prayer each day so that, you know, he made the point. 53:37 That's the most important commitment they have. 53:40 >> On a daily basis. Thank you for bringing that up because 53:43 you mentioned it takes about 12 months to get in the 53:45 appointment with him. But he's made this time every day. 53:49 Every day is now, which is that every day he's a man who the of 53:53 >> of significant disciplines in the way he orders his life. 53:56 But the one that is primary to him is the commitment to that 54:00 family, those children to his wife. And you watch that in the 54:03 easiness with which they all move together and you see the 54:07 naturalness of the way faith lives in that household. 54:11 It isn't decorative. It's not put on because the cameras 54:14 running its in transit to the way this family lives. And 54:17 that's part of the fun. But we all look for authentic people. 54:21 Yeah. And as we mentioned, sometimes we doubt that those 54:24 with significant wealth or high positions are really authentic. 54:30 Write the story of redeem is the story of authenticity all 54:33 the way through. And in case you have you, Lucia INS, 54:36 we'll bring you right back to reality. What like the title of 54:39 the documentary redeem? Because I think about redeemed, right? 54:42 He was reading the book so to speak. Yeah, it and he he tells 54:47 his story as we try to illustrate here in the 54:50 documentary 54:51 from the point of View honoring the God who did not his own 54:56 commercial genius or his own in wise investing or the good 55:00 partnerships he formed. Actually, he has a multi volume 55:04 autobiography that I've worked through most of and thus that 55:08 the commercial setbacks he's experienced are have been at 55:11 times nearly as painful as the personal ones. It's not been 55:15 some climbing lying the whole time. And yet God has put more 55:19 success in his hands as he's committed himself to giving 55:23 back to his his immediate community and to the business 55:27 park that he's developed in the center of Prague, which is the 55:31 most remarkable center of influence we use that term 55:35 often these days I have ever seen it is on a scale. 55:40 We know the rest of us could barely dream, but now we're 55:43 getting ready to go the second hour. 55:44 >> We are indeed. Talk to us just a moment about the center 55:47 of influence. You know, we're going to see that in the next 55:50 hour. But let's tease to that just a moment. What is the 55:53 center of influence that he's developing and building? 55:56 >> Whoever wants to beginning on something like right now, 55:59 I guess it would be. 25 years ago, he began investing in 56:03 building a business park in what was a very sort of run 56:08 down dilapidated portion of the city. He recognized that this 56:12 was a strategically a wise spot that commercial traffic will 56:16 begin moving this way. And he began building a portions of a 56:21 business park that today employees in the various 56:25 businesses, 14,000 people in its final phase. It will employ 56:30 20,000 people who work in the buildings there. 56:34 It's a massive complex of buildings and many of the 56:38 largest corporations in Europe and the world rent spaces in 56:43 his buildings because for the these are namesake play 56:47 companies. Microsoft and I think Google is there. If I'm 56:52 not mistaken, rose and IBM, IBM, IBM was there in the and 56:56 major banking institutions, insurance companies they want 56:59 to be in this place because it is a kind of environment where 57:04 people find homeless, the confined tranquility, that 57:07 confined improvements for life all because one man has a 57:10 vision of making life different. 57:12 >> It's amazing. We have a full second hour coming up. I was 57:16 just thinking as you're talking about him of Luke for you know, 57:19 when Jesus stood up in Nazareth with that Messianic mission, 57:22 that is what we're doing now. He is lifting up the 57:25 downtrodden. He is living out the gospel. He's helping to 57:29 break those bands and to set the oppressed free, not through 57:32 him, but the Lord Jesus working in and through him. This is a 57:37 man whose life has been transformed by the Gospel. 57:40 Stay with us. We have the 2nd half coming up just after that. 57:44 [MUSIC] 57:49 [MUSIC] 57:54 [MUSIC] |
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