>> Welcome back to 03:08PM,
Today Live on Thursday night.
We've been talking about
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tokens of Love. Yeah. And we
have been discussing this with
Brandon and shredded tails. If
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you didn't live long along that
you missed I mean, the lie to
brand-new cupcake. Aha.
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>> awaiting keeping that smile
is a Just haha. It's a glow. You
missed the first hour. You
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may be able to catch it later on
as the program repeats. Yeah.
But you don't want to
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turn away for the second hour.
>> And we've been addressing
some beautiful examples of how
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the live. the challenges of
getting together. >> What about
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their devotion? They have a
great devotional book. What is
it called? >> Tokens of Love
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Book that the 31 Day devotional
book to The Love Stories in the
by Detroit. There it is. rain,
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tokens of love. How do they get
a copy? ABC has it don't yes.
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That a wonderful, beautiful
cover who >> Who did the
designing and have because I'm I
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yeah, I devil Shop illustrator.
>> been using Photoshop. And
since it was a little floppy
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disk. Yeah. on a stop selling
age. I'm at Haha. This beautiful
one over. And I like
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the fact that this just for the
benefit of the people that maybe
just joining us, tell us
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how it's broken down the book
of the stories in the boat that
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emotion. >> So tokens of Love is
a 31 day devotional too. 31
different couples in the
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Bible's. So each day takes you
through a couple story. Some
part of their story and it's
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all about finding what is the
token? What is the lesson that
you can take away from their
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story and apply it to your life?
There's a journal and prompt so
you can turn kind of
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think reflect on how this lesson
applies here. Relationship in
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your walk with God. And there's
a couple's corner. So if you're
doing it with a significant
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other, you can talk about the
topic of discussion. There's a
question there at the ending.
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There's also additional
scriptures to continue study the
couple's throughout so alike
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because there isn't a some of
the first, do you have a have
and just go in Haha.
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>> can learn them to you guys.
Think by that. But just to find
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out what? >> Hot all pretty
wouldn't say. It's all for >>
other has some issues.
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>> Hit to town. Tell me you have
Solomon in there. We do. So
which one which one of his
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life and was that Solomon
Solomon had be counseling,
Solomon and haven't which one
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of Solomon has a 700 wives 300
concubines yet the Solomons days
called led astray from
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God so, wow, that's why they've
invested. we did you Ryan this
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fight, right? Because that was
yes right that the more the
legitimate religious Yeah, this
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it's good to see that God is
leading you and how many years
married now just for the benefit
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of our second hour. People 7
years. just month and a half
ago. Did you have a big way? To
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find you can do? It was big for
the friend group that we And
every year after that, our
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friend group, you know, started
having small wedding because
they learned from my wedding.
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I think that yes. So here we
have a fairly lending 150
people, 500, no 100th,
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>> in Long Island. >> a Long
Island Long Island long. You not
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tell But you know. >> Long
Island, What? They're really
what could a new New
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York to contend with then they
can. She has the Jamaican
background of something we
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haven't asked them. You know, we
have some questions. Thank you
sending and then. But
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before we get to tell us about
your children. I know tell us
their ages and kind of yeah,
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that was an allergy. >> So
we have 2 children actually,
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Stephen and Simone Stephens, our
4 year-old son and Simone is 10
month old daughter. And they're
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just so precious. did they get
along? Steve in Love? I think at
the at the court, I think he
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being a big brother and I think
he does it because he cares
about his sister. He wants to
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look after her. And I think that
he's still just learning how to
interact with her because
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her abilities are very
different, Rick. I think she he
wants her to constantly be
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at his level running chasing
after him and running with him.
So and at times coming.
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But she's she's a she's coming
along. Well. >> They have 2
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totally different person than I
from when I was pregnant with
Stephen. He was super active.
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Every time we had a ultrasound,
the technician like this is an
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active baby and he has held true
to that. 4 years later. He's
still very access to the mom.
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She from the very beginning has
always been calm, very calm.
Chi, do down. Does not want to
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be seen. So she's definitely
more laid-back and reserves. So
it's going to fun to or a
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which yourself in Category to
definite Taipei. >> For you? A
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little bit of Taipei. I know we
we type in different spaces.
both eyes that not yet over
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running. bring the adventure. I
think you bring yeah structure
and that's OK now on asking of
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the question the questions here.
When you decided OK, where are
we going to live? And you live
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now where we live in Indiana
now. So one Brooklyn's way. I
know the answer is I do not
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want to raise, right? Thank you.
Talk about talk about life in
Indiana. Well, that
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was a major point of negotiation
and our marriage. I think that,
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you know, we had then on East
coast for majority of our
relationship. You've got a nice
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boost for entire And the session
about relocating to the Midwest,
something a little bit of a to
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kind of navigate state of I
think that I was certainly
looking forward to being
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closer to family here. My family
is still based in Indiana. So
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>> I definitely want to be
closer to grandparents. My
parents and I'm just being
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close with our children as well.
So they can actually be a part
of their lives in that
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way. But I also understood the
strain that that was inviting us
well to walk into it. Your
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friendships in your, you know,
really your your home being out
in the East Coast with so
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not people who feel me. yeahs.
So we >> Actually originally our
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plan we got married was to live
in New York. >> To spend some
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time in New York City. So he had
moved to New York City as I was
finishing up my last year in
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college. And the plan was when I
graduated that we're going to
lift there. the Lord saw
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fit. I could not find a job in
New York and which was strange
because on the prior to that
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every single thing I had done
and I always got accepted for
job offers. But you know, my I
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just wasn't touching any ground
in New York and had someone
really pushing me to
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apply for job that was in
Philadelphia and that job
interview process was just
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going through like no problem.
And I got the job offer. >> That
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was in another conflict worrying
where we plan was to the New
York and Philadelphia was
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nowhere near anything that we
But, you know, we all to be fast
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and we prayed and >> saw the God
was leading us to be in
Philadelphia. So I took the job
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there and then after we were
engaged at the time and after we
got married, he moved to
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Philadelphia and we were based
in Pennsylvania for the 7 years
our marriage until we just
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recently moved to New zone.
>> How do you know as the as the
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New York, >> these guys and he
was questioned, you know that
things I can appreciate about
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Go. I I think that, you know,
slower pace is important is the
way that we want to raise
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our children. We have no space
for them to play outside. I
don't have to worry about.
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>> You know them being outside
because I couldn't play outside
growing up I know mom
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was like you. Yeah, cries. You
you know, I couldn't be outside
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like that. So just being able
see my children being able to do
that. I can definitely
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appreciate that about the
Midwest. I do miss, you know, a
lot of aspects about the access
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for You know Haha. Yeah. >> What
are we going to go back to
Brooklyn every time
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Times Square and in Brooklyn
where we go, all you have to go
escape that fact. I this a
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major new snow. know you like
know should avenue, you know,
Fulton I know it at my
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discount. >> Yeah. So but
I've grown to understand. It's a
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place I can just, you know, as
the Lord chief it go back and
visit and that sort of thing.
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So. >> And, you know, as the
years go by you and appreciate
that about the about the
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personality that it beacons to
develop a new children. I mean,
we all know we love me
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rough. New York is a very, very
fast paced. Not a good place to
raise children of the
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And I'm sure at 9%. Thank you,
Lord that you can a read It was
difficult tell you. I'm
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still on pins and like. >> haha,
you asked us actually get hasn't
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been out since May -6. >> Almost
6 months. Yeah. It's good that
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really good people didn't send
some questions. And let's go
ahead. Yes, some of those
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questions, OK? talk about your
kiss. Your first kiss so well.
>> Your first kiss Someone
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asks John from New York is kiss
in wrong before marriage. Some
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of the challenges scientists
unlikely talks about him. Well,
I wouldn't say that.
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>> I wouldn't say they're John,
that that that it's wrong before
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marriage. My response to that
would be that for us in our
relationship. We recognize that
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the path that we're following as
we got started kissing in the
early stages of a relationship
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as we begin to really increase
the level of attraction in our
relation is we've got to know
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one another more and that those
cases became a lot longer. It
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became a lot more passion more
intense. And so at that moment,
we I think that we both began to
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realize that if we're committing
ourselves to, you know, saving
sex for marriage, which is
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where our commitment from the
beginning of our relationship.
We really need to pump the
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brakes on, you know, these
intense passionate moments that
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were exchanges of affection that
we're having. And so, you know,
try to mention the story about
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her being abroad. And at that
same time I've been reading
through a book, a wonderful book
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that was encouraging need that
purity is not so much a question
of absence. Purity is
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much more questions that the
presence of Christ in your and
your heart. If you are seeking
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for Christ who abide in your
heart, then everything that
flows out from that should
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also reflect the values of
crisis. I knew that which right
as my sister in Christ
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at that point, not being my wife
at all had made no commitment to
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her in that way. And that round
of asking her to be my wife. And
I knew that I had to protect the
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sanctity of the of the marriage
relationship that I ultimately
desired. And so at that point,
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we have a conversation that we
came together like, look, I
think that these things are
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becoming really intense moments.
And I don't want to lead our
relationship in a way
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that causes to possibly
jeopardize that commitment that
we made from the very
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beginning. >> I'm
definitely counter and also just
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scientifically cousin is
designed to lead to more from,
you know, oxytocin is released
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in there is, you know, that
attachment bonding starting to
take place. And so in light of
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that refrain from it. We would
advise others to consider that
we can't give a scripture and
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say here is with the scripture
says not to do it, but I just
think it's Wise Council to
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consider what is here. Intention
and where's the Lord leading
you? But that's what's most
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important. >> Because for us
when it came setting our
boundaries and our relationship,
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we work backwards from what we
didn't want at all to happen or
relationships that are now.
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What leads up to that, right?
And so we be and that's how we
begin to set the boundaries in
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our relationship and hopefully
took kissing for us. And while
initially it wasn't one of
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those things we quickly realized
and learned in the chair that,
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you know, actually, it is one of
the things you should probably
make some changes to be able
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to know about that. >> Kiss
on the wooden day. Wasn't it?
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Sweet? Oh, It's on YouTube
>> Haha. Yeah. >> And that's
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beautiful council. I'm so bad
when you said it's counter
cultural because this culture,
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particularly dozen places value
on any preservation of anything,
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right? It's like a the music to
movies. Everything. The
Internet, social media and
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everybody is living on what they
call an experimental base well
as one person said, it's not
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wrong. It's just people of
today. The word right and wrong.
Not even in their vocabulary
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just like what this what I want
to do is my body only what I
want to do with it. Nobody has.
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But so that you brought that
out. But the Aussie Towson
aspects God intends for intimacy
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to be. Contextual where you feel
the freedom to OK? >> Okay. Now
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we can cross the line with God's
approval But when you find that
was so caught led, one said, I
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know both. Okay. I need to chill
out. >> Yeah. all. Come on. Come
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on now. this. My daughter right.
I want you he meant it to the
timing of it. All is really
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incredible. problem got. >>
Actually, you have that
revelation come about didn't
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know away from one to right. And
so we had that moment. Just kind
of sit in that with
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God and just allow God to and
speak to us important than that
moment when we finally
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came back together, like
shredded mentioned earlier, it
was so different. It was so
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different that interaction that
we there's also something I
learned before about
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intimacy that, you know, it
wants to pick up where you left
off. And so I would also
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encourage anyone listening to
this program that >> it's
something to consider
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if you have had a pass where
you've crossed physical
boundaries in previous
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relationships because the body
wants to pick up where it left
off. So wherever that was
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where you may made some
decisions in the past moving
forward, body is actually
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going want to pick up there. And
if you're trying to honor God
with the commitment to
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marriage its most helpful to
reserve that then for that time,
right at this, a very
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counsel. Don't don't pick up
where you left off for because
the body in training aspect.
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>> Bodies trained the minus
train. All these chemicals, all
these pathways that is
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there he said attachment to
through connect with the lips
next. know, it leads passions
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that shouldn't be there. >> And
and and the kiss that Jacob
talked about in the
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Bible rate will still be lifted
up his eyes and grind. It's not
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I need to marry on the merits.
use it right. Okay. do I need
about 10 knots? 7? Yeah. I got a
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come on now. But he loved so
That's what love intends to keep
people bonded together in a
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costly way thank you for that
question. This another one. This
is about premarital
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council and one of the benefits
of premarital counseling. should
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couples begin premarital
counseling? This is from
Elizabeth in Brooklyn.
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>> In Texas, East Coast is
represented very It. Okay. to
that question? I would say as
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soon as possible and and the
relationship. I you think you
know, but say anything before
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America is a great time to right
to be able to begin. >> That
premarital coaching
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premarital counseling timeframe.
You know, the benefits of an R
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and tremendous. there's a lot of
things we can share about the
benefits. One that out, you
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know, highlight here is being
able to have guided discussions
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through, you know, questions
that are pertinent for your
relationship's future, being
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able to talk about, you know,
what are your views on raising a
family? Oh, What are your views
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on finances, right? How do you
manage? How do you think we
should manage conflicts in our
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relationship for how do you
communicate? What's your
preferred? You know,
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communications sound and in a
relationship. I think that all
these really insightful in and
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important discussions can take
place that premarital
counseling, period to actually
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help you evaluate. Is this
really the relationship going to
move forward? Should I
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actually continue forward and to
and to pursue this person? You
know, as you know, as as
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my wife or 2 and entertain this
person's interest, you know, as
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as my husband. >> I like to
listen to a lot of kind of
podcast about marriage and a
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different people's experiences
and something that I've seen a
lot couples who have been
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together for, let's say 20 plus
years. A lot of times they say,
you know, the beginning, I wish
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I knew war we have had knowledge
of how to do this before. We
could have avoided this many
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years of this being an issue.
And I think premarital
counseling is the opportunity
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to start to build some of those
skills that you can in need in
Marriott. It's already
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difficult trying to merge life
with someone else and depending
on how you are, that
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could be a little easier. A
little harder. And so I think
remounted counseling helps to
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get those skills and get that
knowledge and information so you
can walk into marriage a
00:18:49.02\00:18:54.10
little bit more quipped. It's
not saying that you never have
problems. If you do
00:18:54.10\00:18:56.33
counseling, but I it does help
you be more quip. So you know
what to do when you encounter
00:18:56.33\00:19:03.57
certain situations. If you move
in together for the first time
and then he puts his 2
00:19:03.57\00:19:06.91
per share. And I really don't
like that. You know how to
communicate or how to approach
00:19:06.91\00:19:11.81
him to discuss that and come
to a solution you need so that's
00:19:11.81\00:19:17.45
what I think it's helpful for
it. It's really giving you the
tools that you need before
00:19:17.45\00:19:23.22
marriage to avoid unnecessary
problems. >> And the beautiful
thing about what you just said
00:19:23.22\00:19:26.43
that as well about marriage
itself is that marriage is this
union between 2 fallen people
00:19:26.43\00:19:32.47
who are desiring to represent a
perfect God and their and their
relationship. And so
00:19:32.47\00:19:37.47
with that with those 2 fallen
people, we have tons of baggage
that we're all bring
00:19:37.47\00:19:42.58
into that relationship, even if
they want to marry before.
Exactly is on naturally
00:19:42.58\00:19:46.18
baggage trigger. and so to be
able to have somebody who can
guide you as a neutral 3rd
00:19:46.18\00:19:50.42
party guide you through some
very intentional discussions to
prepare you hopefully
00:19:50.42\00:19:52.79
prepare you for that commitment
or just help you better evaluate
00:19:52.79\00:19:56.76
that commitment, I think is
invaluable. And the word tools
is a significant world when it
00:19:56.76\00:20:00.96
comes to relationships because
relationship, counseling
relationship, coaching all
00:20:00.96\00:20:05.53
deals with giving you both
tools. But a guy could be a cop
into the 35 years. Every
00:20:05.53\00:20:10.94
now and then is going to his
finger with a hammer. >> He does
00:20:10.94\00:20:15.41
more to avoid it right then you
didn't very beginning, you know,
as as a person become come
00:20:15.41\00:20:19.78
along, a journeyman that just
starts does not act. Don't put
your hand that close to UN hit.
00:20:19.78\00:20:23.55
We as we get older, we sit, come
on, get your hand far from that.
it. So these are things
00:20:23.55\00:20:29.26
you learn. But you realize
that's a hammer. That's an L
that's supposed to hit. Not
00:20:29.26\00:20:36.43
your finger, right. That's where
the coaching comes stay away
from things that you're
00:20:36.43\00:20:38.50
not supposed to and you won't
hurt those things. That's right.
00:20:38.50\00:20:44.07
That's very interesting. Here's
another question. >> From New
00:20:44.07\00:20:51.68
Casey from New York. How do you
know >> Someone is the one to
the good question. I think. I
00:20:51.68\00:21:02.99
would call I would define it as
heavenly Peace when we were
going along our journey, I was
00:21:02.99\00:21:10.43
very intentional about praying
from the very beginning. Any
time I had a concern or a
00:21:10.43\00:21:14.14
question, I would say Lord, this
is concerning me. This is I was
just on us with guy.
00:21:14.14\00:21:18.57
This is how I feel about it.
This is why I'm concerned. I
need to continue to be
00:21:18.57\00:21:22.44
concerned about that. And I
would see the Lord working
moving address those things.
00:21:22.44\00:21:27.82
There certain things I never had
to say because I took it to the
Lord and then the Lord
00:21:27.82\00:21:33.56
would start to work on in, for
example, the kids. I would pray
about it. So I think that
00:21:33.56\00:21:38.86
one year you know, considering
someone for marriage, you start
with the basics. Of
00:21:38.86\00:21:45.90
course, what has the wording
that would have got instructions
00:21:45.90\00:21:47.90
to write what you should be
looking for in one of the
characteristics that you would
00:21:47.90\00:21:52.24
want in the future spouse. But
then you also ask itself. Do I
have peace from the Lord about
00:21:52.24\00:22:00.18
the situation because he he will
let you know, you will feel
discomfort if you're in a
00:22:00.18\00:22:05.35
situation that God does not want
you to be in, he will never
encroach upon our free will, but
00:22:05.35\00:22:12.13
he will give a signs and
warnings this is not the path
you want to go down. And that's
00:22:12.13\00:22:16.46
what I think you should pay
attention. Sometimes that comes
from outside counsels
00:22:16.46\00:22:20.87
for having Godly counsel around
you. Whether it be your parents,
whoever to surround
00:22:20.87\00:22:26.61
you and kind of give you a
different perspective. But apart
from that, it's it's
00:22:26.61\00:22:31.48
also just following the Holy
Spirit. So I would look for
that. You need do you think.
00:22:31.48\00:22:42.12
>> No, you Yeah. I knew you were
the one for me. Long time. I
mean, I I prayed about
00:22:42.12\00:22:49.36
He was in the world, but his
race had been us. He was in the
world. I said that he does
00:22:49.36\00:22:54.57
not become a Christian first
love the law at first. And then,
of course, the 7th Day
00:22:54.57\00:23:01.54
next. I wasn't gonna marry him
and I wanted him to have a
relationship with the Lord.
00:23:01.54\00:23:06.45
That was the most important to
and finally you did. And how can
I go wrong? Look after 39
00:23:06.45\00:23:11.72
years to come due to >> You
know, stop I know that's you
00:23:11.72\00:23:17.83
just mentioned. Where the great
point. I would love to just
elaborate on that little bit
00:23:17.83\00:23:22.53
more. I think you should often
look for and should you should
look for someone who also
00:23:22.53\00:23:25.60
responds to the moving to the
Holy Spirit says. >> Such a key
00:23:25.60\00:23:29.14
point. I think that both of our
journeys, we just you were able
to see one another interact in
00:23:29.14\00:23:35.14
different circumstances and
different pressures that we were
going through in that early
00:23:35.14\00:23:37.95
stage of our relationship. And I
think seeing us both the
challenge is seen as both grow
00:23:37.95\00:23:40.98
through those moments of of
tests and trials and and seeing
how God and was impressed to do
00:23:40.98\00:23:47.12
certain things and whether or
not we responded to or how we
responded to it, I think also
00:23:47.12\00:23:51.09
gave us peace to move forward in
our relationship to a marriage,
00:23:51.09\00:23:53.93
too. >> Because I know that if
you obey God here by the grace
of God, you continue to obey him
00:23:53.93\00:24:00.44
later on because that's forming
that have it in your lives.
Yeah, that's true. And
00:24:00.44\00:24:05.84
believe me, she was patient.
Pardon me. >> What did to use
00:24:05.84\00:24:12.68
me? Yeah. Okay. >> This goes
with what we're talking about
00:24:12.68\00:24:15.22
this is interesting. He's got.
Us in marriage with evil people
who or it's really our bad
00:24:15.22\00:24:27.76
because you gave an example of
Abigail Maple Week that from
Indianapolis Home. Wow.
00:24:27.76\00:24:32.53
>> Hi. Haha. >> He's got part of
this in the marriage with evil
00:24:32.53\00:24:39.74
people. Yeah, personally, I
don't believe that. No, because
like I said, we have free will
00:24:39.74\00:24:49.78
we have will God is not going to
force us to do something I do
think especially from with
00:24:49.78\00:24:58.33
different couples and hearing
different stories and all the
e-mails and things we've
00:24:58.33\00:25:01.63
gotten over the years. I do
think people can sometimes know
something. And want to
00:25:01.63\00:25:07.84
believe in have fates of the
better. And so they move in
hope. And then when nothing
00:25:07.84\00:25:15.28
really changes, then it becomes
a bag situation. So to that, I
would kind of say the
00:25:15.28\00:25:22.15
same thing I said before. That's
with why it's important to have
That's when support to
00:25:22.15\00:25:28.36
go to premarital counseling. In
some cases, some people might
need therapy because
00:25:28.36\00:25:31.39
maybe you come from a really
traumatic background. We need to
work out some of the things
00:25:31.39\00:25:34.96
that you've been through that
you are now like you said before
you're hurting other
00:25:34.96\00:25:38.30
people. You're doing things
unintentionally because that's
what you've been through. But
00:25:38.30\00:25:45.31
he's got put us in there. I
don't I don't think so. I don't
think he just a in an
00:25:45.31\00:25:49.48
evil and on happiness in a
relationship. I would much
rather be single. much rather
00:25:49.48\00:25:58.82
be seeing. >> People shouldn't
just go to county. They should
00:25:58.82\00:26:00.66
also listen to the county >> all
these people around you have
known you for years are
00:26:00.66\00:26:08.23
telling you that. You know
something doesn't look right
about this person in the way
00:26:08.23\00:26:12.93
that they interact with you. And
you've got to listen, you've got
to listen. You have
00:26:12.93\00:26:16.44
to. >> You may think that into
prayer and then also to ask on
00:26:16.44\00:26:20.31
for this train to make the
decision about needs to be done.
00:26:20.31\00:26:23.38
>> Well, that that is a great
point because from the very
beginning, we both really
00:26:23.38\00:26:27.92
like. You can take this away,
Lord, if this is not going to be
good for me, I know it
00:26:27.92\00:26:34.59
doesn't matter how much I like
him. It doesn't matter how much
he likes me. Take it
00:26:34.59\00:26:38.23
away. I don't want anything in
my life. That's not going to be
good for now. And I think
00:26:38.23\00:26:42.83
in as you're navigating
relationships, you have to stay
00:26:42.83\00:26:46.07
in that place of surrender us
for being willing to give up
this thing, even though you may
00:26:46.07\00:26:49.87
really want it, you have to be
willing to give it up if it's
not going to be right for you.
00:26:49.87\00:26:54.58
>> You're right. Because I
wasn't gonna marry him. If he
going with the to the curb.
00:26:54.58\00:27:03.35
Yeah. Haha. Haha. I mean,
obviously the unit where yeah.
How many choices you have. But
00:27:03.35\00:27:13.40
million kept bringing me back to
her. And I look back on it now
00:27:13.40\00:27:17.67
and I realize. >> My life would
not be where it is today had it
not been for marrying this young
00:27:17.67\00:27:24.64
yeah. >> We still hold hands hit
in the house is not just Gun
hildebran given that he like
00:27:24.64\00:27:33.58
to run around Barefoot House and
he'll see me in the kitchen
without my slippers.
00:27:33.58\00:27:39.35
You come put it down. He just
did that again. neither does
that with hydra slippers
00:27:39.35\00:27:47.23
questions right? That's where I
don't have time. Thank you,
Honey. You want to send those
00:27:47.23\00:27:54.17
questions? you an email them? >>
E-mail them to live at 3 ABN DOT
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or you might want to tax those
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We're getting those
00:28:02.41\00:28:08.55
questions. We have about half an
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appreciate that. You
00:28:08.55\00:28:13.59
send those and that's once again
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from wherever you send those
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00:28:22.93\00:28:27.47
It's starting it's going to be
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This year 2022, it's going 15
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00:29:17.99\00:29:23.76
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00:29:23.76\00:29:27.46
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Just get that the television get
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00:29:46.41\00:29:49.92
back to them as time allows gay
men don't want out a year. All
right. Let's get back to a
00:29:49.92\00:29:56.79
question. Yeah, this is another
one joined. You know, we all
have in loss right?
00:29:56.79\00:30:00.60
>> Yes, yes. Okay. This is
outlaws. >> was like an outlaw.
00:30:00.60\00:30:07.14
Okay. Okay. >> How do you handle
family issues that either spouse
00:30:07.14\00:30:13.48
has, for example, your spouse's
sister takes advantage of
spouse, but they can't see it
00:30:13.48\00:30:19.55
because they love them. But you
want to help them without
sounded offensive, too.
00:30:19.55\00:30:29.26
>> been that mayor long enough
for this and I know they can. So
you have haha. learn now to
00:30:29.26\00:30:33.36
get this one. it's a very
delicate I think the person has
to go to spouse. Hope
00:30:33.36\00:30:44.27
prayerfully. They have a
transparent, you know, unsafe,
place where they can really
00:30:44.27\00:30:50.71
come to each other and she
doesn't feel like you here.
She's going to go back to the
00:30:50.71\00:30:55.28
sister and share what they
talked about. they need to be
able to honestly communicate
00:30:55.28\00:30:59.85
their concerns. And I think if
you approach it from the
standpoint of we are one yards
00:30:59.85\00:31:07.96
team. What effects you affects
me as excise them? Ali, you can
start from that place and
00:31:07.96\00:31:14.37
let it be shown that you're not
just. Being opposing just to
have opposition. But you're
00:31:14.37\00:31:21.38
genuinely concerned for the
well-being of your spouse
because of what you see going
00:31:21.38\00:31:24.58
on and I would just honestly
share if you have like specific
just honestly share
00:31:24.58\00:31:31.55
what your concern is. And then
most important, I think we're
going to bring up the issue.
00:31:31.55\00:31:36.99
have to ask or an idea of
solution that you can propose.
So whatever you see going on
00:31:36.99\00:31:43.10
that might be manipulating, you
know, your Okay. I notice that
this is happening. You
00:31:43.10\00:31:49.04
know, she's asking for money
like this. How about we do this
are the some ideas that
00:31:49.04\00:31:53.51
you be willing to consider and
then yeah, just also share that
you are not and will
00:31:53.51\00:31:59.78
toward your spouse. You don't
have a desire to be coming from
a place of love and you
00:31:59.78\00:32:06.09
want to see them, you know, be
OK and this that that's probably
00:32:06.09\00:32:14.66
what I would We've definitely
had moments where we haven't
seen eye to eye on certain but
00:32:14.66\00:32:20.70
I'm grateful. I think now we're
in a place where you listen for
me Yeah. >> But I've definitely
00:32:20.70\00:32:30.21
had to have conversations before
about different things not
necessary this but just
00:32:30.21\00:32:32.78
different things. It's like too.
You may want to consider this
You know, he's his own
00:32:32.78\00:32:39.35
person. He makes his own and I
have to be able to not be like I
told you so. But just allow
00:32:39.35\00:32:45.29
him to to to learn the lesson as
the Lord leads and that can be a
difficult thing to do,
00:32:45.29\00:32:48.30
especially when you can see like
that. The flags, the red flag.
But we you know, you've
00:32:48.30\00:32:56.10
reached that space where you can
honestly communicate with that
concern that they may
00:32:56.10\00:33:00.71
have the most important thing. I
think, you know, among the most
part in the EU said there
00:33:00.71\00:33:03.28
was. >> The fact that we are
a team. Yeah. And so even though
00:33:03.28\00:33:08.22
we are keeping our families are
sensing Mary together when we
got married, yes, you know,
00:33:08.22\00:33:12.25
we as the husband and wife are
team that or you're not fighting
against one another
00:33:12.25\00:33:16.19
or fighting with each against
the outside battles that. >>
That are coming, you
00:33:16.19\00:33:20.90
towards our relationship. So I
think important to remember
always that we are a team and
00:33:20.90\00:33:25.30
we're working working together.
So if you have that trust, you
00:33:25.30\00:33:28.74
have a community, those
community, healthy communication
channels in your marriage and
00:33:28.74\00:33:31.81
you're able to trust like my
spouse truly desires. The best
for me and that likewise, I to
00:33:31.81\00:33:38.28
design the best for you as well,
that they think the thing to
helps to navigate those
00:33:38.28\00:33:40.58
situations with family issues.
Yeah. >> And I think it's
important to remember as well
00:33:40.58\00:33:44.62
when you get married it's you
and your spouse. First and you
have to think you're right. You
00:33:44.62\00:33:54.46
have to protect your mayor. I
would not call protecting the
sacred you know, you are called
00:33:54.46\00:34:00.97
to leave mother and father
Cleave to your wife. But it's
also, you know, right? Right?
00:34:00.97\00:34:06.47
It's you. It's well, you guide
spouse that we have children.
You trust your children are in
00:34:06.47\00:34:11.41
the next out a circle. after
that, it's relatives and it's
important to remember the
00:34:11.41\00:34:16.52
order of priority and making
decisions. And that so touching.
00:34:16.52\00:34:21.42
>> And you have to guard against
family members say, look, I knew
00:34:21.42\00:34:26.76
a lot and I know you all but you
have to say yes, but you didn't
choose to be. He's hot. I chose
00:34:26.76\00:34:35.40
to be his And this is circle
that God wants us to keepsake.
But family members, come from
00:34:35.40\00:34:42.48
family of family of 3. think we
haven't had that kind of with
families trying take
00:34:42.48\00:34:47.18
advantage in a marriage of each
other, know Christ off of that.
And I have a wonderful
00:34:47.18\00:34:51.82
sister-in-law brother-in-law. We
never dogs at any time. And just
love that. My my says so
00:34:51.82\00:34:58.73
is this is my favorite system
Haha. She making all the time.
happened that? But it's
00:34:58.73\00:35:05.77
important that person brought
that question out. Yeah, be
hard. Home You have found
00:35:05.77\00:35:11.07
raising. The other thing that
you pointed out a little while
ago and I was commissioned
00:35:11.07\00:35:15.31
something. This one is really
important. He it's it's more
than just having. Abstinence
00:35:15.31\00:35:25.39
not doing something, its
presence that the difference.
What you meant by that. I love
00:35:25.39\00:35:28.26
what I was processing. That
doesn't respond to that. But the
Lord brought it back to
00:35:28.26\00:35:33.19
me. Sometimes we think that a
good marriage means you don't do
this. You don't do that.
00:35:33.19\00:35:37.40
You don't do this. You don't do
that. No good matches to
presence of God is there. That
00:35:37.40\00:35:42.44
is not what you don't do it. Who
is It's a combination of both
you don't do it because
00:35:42.44\00:35:46.21
you just don't do it. >> You
don't do it because Christ
presence is there is
00:35:46.21\00:35:51.88
not an empty cabin that you're
gonna keep empty. the presence
of Christ in there that makes
00:35:51.88\00:35:55.08
the difference and then things
>> how do you know? You made
from Is it possible not to be
00:35:55.08\00:36:06.46
La Toya from the West west and
east of Know if you made unique
is it possible you're
00:36:06.46\00:36:14.60
not meant to be some to? Yeah,
believe. everyone. Some people
just don't think people are
00:36:14.60\00:36:24.21
completely fine with having, you
know, of right to for
friendships that are all in
00:36:24.21\00:36:27.58
You know. >> Not disinterested
Stars like pursuing a romantic
00:36:27.58\00:36:33.25
relationship. And I think that's
that's perfectly fine. I think
that they're people
00:36:33.25\00:36:36.62
who know that they want to be
married, know that they want to
be may know that they have,
00:36:36.62\00:36:41.60
you know, that attraction to
that, you know, that manner to
that woman. know who you are?
00:36:41.60\00:36:46.20
I think that, I think that
that's how you that's how you
would know on that. And also,
00:36:46.20\00:36:48.27
I think that if you can see
yourself, I think going on this
journey of dying to self.
00:36:48.27\00:36:54.98
Yeah, every single day, if you
if you are recognizing the I'm
willing to sacrifice my own
00:36:54.98\00:37:00.22
interests are my own needs so
that I can better serve my
spouse and better serve my
00:37:00.22\00:37:04.92
family. I think that that is
really also an indicator that
you know, that you have in
00:37:04.92\00:37:08.12
mind for mayor, you have a,
you know, a desire to be there.
00:37:08.12\00:37:13.19
>> Yeah. Are you willing to take
up the calling of what marriage
would require if you
00:37:13.19\00:37:17.40
Paul writes about it? I think
it's in. Is the first
Corinthians chapter 7. But he
00:37:17.40\00:37:23.24
talks about the difference
between some a woman and a man
who who our Mary verses those
00:37:23.24\00:37:28.18
who are able to remain single.
And, you know, there's some
other, you know, scriptures,
00:37:28.18\00:37:33.01
you can look at that talk about
marriage ephesians 5 and that
sort of thing. But are
00:37:33.01\00:37:38.15
you willing to do what it is
that the Lord requires marriage
00:37:38.15\00:37:44.06
is not coming into this thinking
you can do your own thing and
make your own rules and this is
00:37:44.06\00:37:48.93
a God given restitution and are
you willing to to follow his and
are you willing to do what it
00:37:48.93\00:37:54.40
takes to live in harmony and
happiness and peace with your
spouse for the rest of your
00:37:54.40\00:38:00.38
life. I think that's a good
question to reflect on an axe
yourself to begin with. It
00:38:00.38\00:38:06.01
takes work Oh, punch that clock
every morning. Now. >> Has it
00:38:06.01\00:38:14.22
takes more than a lot of work?
You know, marriage is on that
probably. I think the best
00:38:14.22\00:38:18.96
example in scripture about God's
relationship with his church
because the church really act
00:38:18.96\00:38:24.13
we are members of church, me as
an alternate. I how many
Christians are the and
00:38:24.13\00:38:30.94
business, but there's one God
and wants to present a church
without spot. A wrinkle in the
00:38:30.94\00:38:34.61
sense that it takes time to get
to that point. >> And even as
00:38:34.61\00:38:38.48
you grow, whether 7 years a 17
to 27 of 37, whatever the case
may be. But all still in that
00:38:38.48\00:38:42.78
evolution of affecting us. I
like what you send a very good
with 2 broken people trying to
00:38:42.78\00:38:49.66
live a perfect marriage. And
hey, we brought him just because
of the fact that we
00:38:49.66\00:38:53.70
all fall every particular in so
many ways. And then our home
life environment of
00:38:53.70\00:38:58.90
whether we're from born in
England are born in New York,
though. Brooklyn are Indiana
00:38:58.90\00:39:07.81
We all have these things. We
bring into the relationship and
that brings diversity but
00:39:07.81\00:39:12.25
also brings challenge and room
for growth. That's really,
really good there was one of
00:39:12.25\00:39:17.15
the, you the next what they had
a question here that we didn't
go this culture that
00:39:17.15\00:39:19.62
one phone to Yeah. What OK? How
I think how can single people
prepare themselves to
00:39:19.62\00:39:27.56
experience healthy, happy
Hollywood romance and that we We
have ask what hope is there
00:39:27.56\00:39:32.97
in the Bible for couples who
have experienced tremendous turn
in their marriage? Oh,
00:39:32.97\00:39:38.47
that's a great question. I'm
just talk about has and earlier.
00:39:38.47\00:39:42.38
>> But there's there's so much
hope. I mean, the Bible full of
hope. And just as you were
00:39:42.38\00:39:45.45
just mentioning, passing McCain
that, you know, all throughout
00:39:45.45\00:39:51.62
the Bible, we see that God is
constantly pursuing his people
who have gone astray as people
00:39:51.62\00:39:54.92
who have, you know, lost their
way and gone out into the into
the wilderness just wondering
00:39:54.92\00:39:59.63
away from him and got as
conflict is going after them in
seeking to have a relationship
00:39:59.63\00:40:03.40
with them from the very
beginning of the Bible. We see
that God. Planted in our hearts,
00:40:03.40\00:40:08.10
the desire to love and to also
be love. And if that is true, I
think that we know we have to
00:40:08.10\00:40:13.17
know that God has a way for us
to actually experience that
healthy, happy, unholy
00:40:13.17\00:40:17.61
romance. And if he's been
intentional on the story the
relationship with this people
00:40:17.61\00:40:21.95
for this many year for this
long. He also must have a way
for to restore the the
00:40:21.95\00:40:28.59
marriage that that may be
broken. Him also must have a way
to restore the trust that
00:40:28.59\00:40:31.03
is now for aid in that
relationship or heal the trauma
that taking place, not
00:40:31.03\00:40:35.43
relationships. I would just
speak a word of encouragement to
anyone who's out there
00:40:35.43\00:40:38.50
who's struggling in their
relationship are having, you
know, just tremendous hurt
00:40:38.50\00:40:43.20
that they experience to go to
the guy who identified earlier
as the true matchmaker as the
00:40:43.20\00:40:47.81
one who gave up the desire to be
in a romance to be in that to be
to love and to also be
00:40:47.81\00:40:54.22
love the trust in >> Yeah,
the Isaiah 60 God to heal the
00:40:54.22\00:41:00.92
brokenhearted. To give beauty
for And so there's so many
aspects of condos. That's pretty
00:41:00.92\00:41:07.20
good. Cause the law created this
institution. I like the way he
said that. And he has rules and
00:41:07.20\00:41:11.33
regulations for But his power
make it work. >> Problem you can
00:41:11.33\00:41:16.54
encounter happened. He's not
able to house was law and then
gone back to that Goma. It just
00:41:16.54\00:41:22.64
right along the lines. That
question, what about caught
asking the Prophet Jose to
00:41:22.64\00:41:26.48
marry coma, a promiscuous woman?
Yeah. Well, what people we
00:41:26.48\00:41:33.12
talked about >> You got to go
back. >> And in fact, that was
the one of the greatest examples
00:41:33.12\00:41:40.03
of of the of the unfaithfulness
of his people. So got to sing.
00:41:40.03\00:41:44.30
You don't realize how rebellious
Israel is. So. Jose, it you need
to marry her to understand what
00:41:44.30\00:41:52.34
I'm going and that's what I did.
That was not so much cars and
you need to promise he's
00:41:52.34\00:41:56.34
going to a lot of right, my
people from this us and that was
it truly in not only Kyle
00:41:56.34\00:42:00.68
was trying to establish an
allegorical situation for Jose,
a to help in Goma was a
00:42:00.68\00:42:05.62
real person. Jose was real
person. But Israel's rebellion
was and he didn't understand
00:42:05.62\00:42:10.03
the power of God's love until
until concept of Goma. She will
00:42:10.03\00:42:19.20
pursue her love, especially will
not overtake them. And then she
will say, I'm gonna go back to
00:42:19.20\00:42:24.74
my husband was because it was
better with me and is it the now
right? also want to from
00:42:24.74\00:42:32.55
God going up coming back as you
can find a great a lot of
outside of cars relationship
00:42:32.55\00:42:36.99
in the world because it doesn't
all right. He did a summit on
00:42:36.99\00:42:42.59
that. You remember how was by
just ahead here at all yet this
year I wasn't. I was enjoying
00:42:42.59\00:42:47.96
that moment there. But I was
just going to echo what you just
sat there. And also, you going
00:42:47.96\00:42:51.27
back to Fusion's. We see that.
>> With the purpose of marriage
00:42:51.27\00:42:54.94
actually is that represent that
perfect relationship between
Christ and the church. So every
00:42:54.94\00:42:58.84
single one of us in our in our
marriages and our our different,
you know, fall to 9
00:42:58.84\00:43:02.24
different shortcomings in the
different things about our
characters, striving to
00:43:02.24\00:43:06.05
represent their relationship
Christ and the church. So if we
look at Jose Gomer, that is
00:43:06.05\00:43:10.65
a that is a glimpse into the
relationship between Christ and
the church elation. Thank
00:43:10.65\00:43:14.12
God desires to have with this
with this way where people
constantly seeking after them
00:43:14.12\00:43:17.86
to show his unfailing love for
them. That's right. And then
wonderful that says for the
00:43:17.86\00:43:24.00
next 10 years, 20 years, 30
years. >> Khan saying, hey, love
00:43:24.00\00:43:29.57
each other. >> This one is for
you should This is you mentioned
00:43:29.57\00:43:37.18
speaking to God in expressing
unity, CYA. >> But the next man
00:43:37.18\00:43:42.42
you'd 82 data to be your husband
or intended to be was there at a
wreck and cod that you knew
00:43:42.42\00:43:51.36
going into the Did you go into
it by faith and the ANSA
unfolded gradually hail from
00:43:51.36\00:44:01.40
there. >> And it is an amazing
question. Yes, it You can look
00:44:01.40\00:44:03.97
at the camera to a hill. >> it
was the latter. >> It was fate
00:44:03.97\00:44:14.78
and looking at how God was
leading the way I think
sometimes we looking for
00:44:14.78\00:44:23.63
inaudible, you know, one time
answer like that. Is this going
to be? My has been a yes or God
00:44:23.63\00:44:29.20
is going to be right. No. But >>
he doesn't always work like
that. I think he gives us
00:44:29.20\00:44:32.60
impressions. And like I
said, that >> as our friendship
00:44:32.60\00:44:37.47
continued to unfold and I
continue to get to know Brandon,
00:44:37.47\00:44:44.08
characteristics that I observe
so many were just great
qualities. But then there are
00:44:44.08\00:44:49.58
also a few things that I had
concerns about. He was still
very new on his his journey of
00:44:49.58\00:44:55.69
of walking with the Lord. And so
I would just continue to proud,
say, OK, you know, this is
00:44:55.69\00:44:59.13
something that's a concern. I
pray about it. Like I said
earlier, I would see Lauren
00:44:59.13\00:45:04.77
working in that area without me
having to say anything. And that
was another part 2, I don't want
00:45:04.77\00:45:09.74
to bring up concerns to him and
then he changed for me, right?
So that that's not going to be
00:45:09.74\00:45:13.61
long-lasting. I wanted if there
was ever going to be any
changes, it's because of his
00:45:13.61\00:45:18.81
love for the Lord. And so
gradually by faith. Literally,
there will be moments where
00:45:18.81\00:45:24.19
the Holy Spirit prompt me and
told me. It is. But it is what I
literally felt like it is.
00:45:24.19\00:45:30.36
Well, my child like just be even
be at peace. It is. Well, it is
going to be OK, and I
00:45:30.36\00:45:34.96
can definitely say by the time
we see stood at the altar to get
married. Any concern that
00:45:34.96\00:45:39.17
I had had I had gone away and
had been and say it's so yes, it
is a gradual. By faith
00:45:39.17\00:45:47.08
walking with the law that
allowed him to But most
importantly, being willing,
00:45:47.08\00:45:50.61
like I said to surrender and
walk away when you do see that
he showing you this is not it
00:45:50.61\00:45:55.75
for you. Yeah, I didn't want to
be time to the relationship so
much that I ignored do
00:45:55.75\00:46:03.63
sometimes. So the full you made
a very important point because
00:46:03.63\00:46:07.73
sometimes young ladies, more
specifically than young men. >>
See signs that the early
00:46:07.73\00:46:10.50
that they ignore true. And then
they say I fix yeah. have heard
Don't don't marry a
00:46:10.50\00:46:24.45
don't marry a project should
generally. >> But for the grace
00:46:24.45\00:46:27.68
of God, the person you see at
the moment you want to get into
a relationship with them is the
00:46:27.68\00:46:31.42
person they're going to be for a
while outside of God doing
amazing things like in our
00:46:31.42\00:46:38.06
relationship. David, the project
I was a disc jockey. his party
00:46:38.06\00:46:45.03
and yeah, but God took all that
away. then the transition here
wasn't on the Marriott She was
00:46:45.03\00:46:49.94
the one in the relationship that
bring me into that. help me to
get my feet on solid ground. But
00:46:49.94\00:46:58.11
that's wonderful. So if you see
and I think don't the only way
you know that God has
00:46:58.11\00:47:01.98
answered your prayer is to in
that relationship and and if a
some signs that got it isn't
00:47:01.98\00:47:09.39
like that distance. Scott
answered my prayer from a Okay.
00:47:09.39\00:47:16.00
Today you have a devotional for
those who just tune in and tell
00:47:16.00\00:47:19.70
him about that. >> Of course.
This is art. The devotional book
30 Monday devotional, a journey
00:47:19.70\00:47:23.14
through the love stories of the
Bible. Tokens of Love. That
takes you on a journey through.
00:47:23.14\00:47:27.34
31 different love stories in the
Bible. If your practical
applications the good stories
00:47:27.34\00:47:32.78
and also the more challenging
stories, the heartland to yeah,
exactly. Exactly. And so
00:47:32.78\00:47:39.52
allows people to to walk that
journey into also journal their
00:47:39.52\00:47:43.59
responses to the different
emotional they can have that
they're they're in a
00:47:43.59\00:47:47.13
relationship that can actually
read it with their significant
other and talk about the
00:47:47.13\00:47:50.50
different topics that we're
uncovering here. So so wonderful
resource for anyone who single,
00:47:50.50\00:47:53.77
even if they're the relationship
just looking to understand God's
way for doing where they shop
00:47:53.77\00:47:58.34
and could. They purchase that
book. you can purchase it by
going tokens of Love, book Dot
00:47:58.34\00:48:04.51
Com Token self-love book Dot Com
is where you can find the book
and a yes and Pacific
00:48:04.51\00:48:07.82
Press has it. >> Yes, you can
find it in and then says book
00:48:07.82\00:48:16.09
centers as well. ABC story
tricks. I did this wonderful as
if that's God has really you
00:48:16.09\00:48:20.30
know, it's not about that.
You'll be able to look back in
time and chronicle. We were at
00:48:20.30\00:48:24.63
that time maybe take on 31 other
characters. Talk about God
brought them through the model
00:48:24.63\00:48:33.44
is amazing amazing what man
is. Now. also speak at churches.
00:48:33.44\00:48:40.02
Yes, yes, we do seminars and
workshops. We've done it
internationally and also across
00:48:40.02\00:48:47.26
the United States. So even
Jamaica, you said we've been to
Jamaica, recently virtually did
00:48:47.26\00:48:55.33
a church in the UK. So yes,
Lordly we'll talk about, you
communication. We'll talk
00:48:55.33\00:49:03.44
about finances will talk about.
>> You know, about boundaries
00:49:03.44\00:49:07.48
and identity and all the
different intricate topics of of
relationships dive into
00:49:07.48\00:49:13.72
>> Now, Sandra, the book, have
you had any miracle stories that
00:49:13.72\00:49:15.72
you've encountered because of
it? >> Lou, you know, we've had
I think the biggest lesson for
00:49:15.72\00:49:22.72
us is when people recommended to
couples couples experience a
transformation because
00:49:22.72\00:49:28.40
>> it's essentially a Bible
study, right? And because
they're studying the Bible
00:49:28.40\00:49:32.77
more that has definitely
happened. had a couple reach out
to us. read it together
00:49:32.77\00:49:38.21
and they said it was really
transformative for them as they
were preparing to see
00:49:38.21\00:49:41.48
that the Marion happy to report.
The couple is married to days.
00:49:41.48\00:49:48.65
So haha, that's a blessing. >>
We also had one over back in
Pennsylvania. Someone had
00:49:48.65\00:49:53.96
known there was a couple that
was on the brink of divorce home
and they had known about
00:49:53.96\00:49:59.73
our booking were familiar with,
had read through the book and
just felt that I was
00:49:59.73\00:50:01.70
leaving the impression that
actually give them this book,
too, restore some some hope in
00:50:01.70\00:50:06.74
their marriage. And we just felt
so humble that someone with ink
00:50:06.74\00:50:12.47
to outside of recommend someone
to have to turn to the pilot
turned to God got word that they
00:50:12.47\00:50:15.78
would possibly recommend this
devotional journey to a couple
that was on the brink of
00:50:15.78\00:50:19.01
divorce. And I'm so truly
humbling humbling moment. There.
00:50:19.01\00:50:22.42
>> Yes, a man. So what's next?
>> For love at home >> So a
00:50:22.42\00:50:31.46
couple of we are working on a
Spanish translation that,
though, that that will be coming
00:50:31.46\00:50:38.80
soon. We're working with the
really great friend of ours to
get that done. We hope to also
00:50:38.80\00:50:43.51
have a workbook that can go
along with that in the future as
We're still work directly
00:50:43.51\00:50:49.91
with couples through coaching
services and well, you can we're
also working on a course
00:50:49.91\00:50:57.85
because we know that there's far
too many. >> There are far too
00:50:57.85\00:51:01.66
many couples in then we'll be
able to ever meet with
one-on-one, right? And so we did
00:51:01.66\00:51:06.06
that we would we actually
planning right now actually
really yes to to release a
00:51:06.06\00:51:11.53
course actually people through
some premarital essential as
before getting married and also
00:51:11.53\00:51:15.57
just about relationships in
general, how to navigate the
question process, how to go
00:51:15.57\00:51:18.47
about engagement. What should
you know before saying I we're
really looking for to release
00:51:18.47\00:51:25.65
You have a YouTube channel. Yes,
we actually do have a series of
00:51:25.65\00:51:29.08
recorded that we have not
released yet. It's called a
courtship stories. So where one
00:51:29.08\00:51:34.16
example of a couple that showed
our story while courting. But >>
we spoke to many other
00:51:34.16\00:51:37.13
couples as well. So we want to
get those videos up on our
channel as well as highlight
00:51:37.13\00:51:44.10
that YouTube channels. North
Way. Thank you for Worth the
wait, isn't it worth
00:51:44.10\00:51:51.01
Absolutely do that. There's joy
in, you know, following God's is
00:51:51.01\00:51:58.08
Jeremy absolutely worth We we
made our choices before each
other. That led to a lot of, you
00:51:58.08\00:52:04.22
know, heartache and turmoil and
all of those things in just to
go down God's path and
00:52:04.22\00:52:09.26
experience the joy that he
really wants us to have is is is
really profound in my presence
00:52:09.26\00:52:15.30
is fullness of joy my right hand
are places for >> I and when you
00:52:15.30\00:52:23.04
think the be awhile before you
children start school >> had too
Hiccup college home
00:52:23.04\00:52:33.05
school. you know, that's made.
But this will be a great time.
And he's just married.
00:52:33.05\00:52:40.59
>> Little a nickel in the hat.
To stop. Putting away for
college. You have the world
00:52:40.59\00:52:46.53
last long enough. It I don't the
way things are going with things
go out of the world.
00:52:46.53\00:52:51.17
It's just find out sooner than
later with a lot to come. we
would just thank you for being
00:52:51.17\00:52:58.27
here. we have an audience that's
listening in. The audience is
00:52:58.27\00:53:02.01
watching how how do you feel
that the audience can help you
in advancing in strengthening
00:53:02.01\00:53:06.48
the ministry might have
something. Some goals you want
to plan meeting or can people
00:53:06.48\00:53:12.72
donate at your website? Yes,
they can. So they can donate at
La H Ministries Dot Coms. That's
00:53:12.72\00:53:15.86
love at Home. La H. >>
Ministries dot com. And yes,
that that the course
00:53:15.86\00:53:21.56
project is in the works. So we
would love to have some some
financial support to actually
00:53:21.56\00:53:26.20
see that vision come about those
online course. You know, you
know equipment is not, you
00:53:26.20\00:53:32.67
know, at no cost. So definitely
would a blessing for folks to
00:53:32.67\00:53:35.04
come alongside us and to support
us as we launched this wonderful
resource that we think would
00:53:35.04\00:53:38.48
really be a help too. You know,
couples and singles all around
00:53:38.48\00:53:43.25
the on the world. Really? Yeah.
They're looking for a way for
God's from ants La H Ministry an
00:53:43.25\00:53:48.19
issue dot com. >> was by the
book. loved ones. If you want to
00:53:48.19\00:53:56.33
buy give it a couple or someone
that, you know, read it for
yourself. Definitely that as
00:53:56.33\00:53:59.73
well. great gifts, doesn't it?
>> Everything. holiday doesn't
have to be a Thanksgiving. You
00:53:59.73\00:54:10.15
can give thanks and you whole
King's Landing. Chances that
come from New York told as the
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actual card. But yeah, what it's
always nice to know. Now this
parting question. Is
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there anything that you probably
would say you would do
differently as you as you
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think about where you've come
from and where you to do. >>
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That's a very good question. Not
even think about it. While we.
As you've been watching, think
00:54:37.91\00:54:43.38
about this question, as you've
been watching this couple
tonight. We just want encourage
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you to to just think about
tokens of love, book Dot Com. If
you've been as my wife and I
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have, we love to get a copy of
that I will love always like be
able to ingest more information
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to strengthen relationship and
to get other people as you point
to make the difference in how
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our relationships learn, you
know, it's going become for the
NASA. I do have an OK? I
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wouldn't change a thing. thing.
I think even though we do have
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several says. >> Moments
mistakes mishaps during our
courtship and engage with the
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mayor and I wouldn't change a
thing because I can look back
now and can see how God used
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even that decision. That may
have been the wrong decision.
But he used that decision to
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teach you something about myself
to something about my life. How
would be a better man, a
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better husband, a better father.
So, yeah, I want anything.
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>> I was going to say the same
thing. I wouldn't change
anything in. I think with each
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day each year that passes by can
see just guys him continuing to
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lead us. So. Yeah, he's he's
he's bright. They're leading us.
So I I'm we're surrounded to the
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put 2 together have children yet
with surrendered to the process.
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Right. point that >> surrendered
to the process we coming. We
continuing to come in what was a
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division. I want to be here and
think you Brandon, thank you
should I mean, I tell you if you
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don't need because we have good
of wedding topper. Lightfoot.
Thank people dying for a live
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look that. We had a terrible
wonderfully. That's what we
enjoyed that tremendously. You
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being here on the program with
insights of where you've been
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and where >> And I know that
cause them to tremendous things
in your life. And when you
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chose, you get you get the low
McCain's. great, great parents.
We highly recommend they keep
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his the way they should go right
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