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we encourage you to do so so you
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listen to the title for this
program. It is the 18 88 message
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key to the latter rain. Is that
important to you should be his
should be and I would like to
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introduce now our guests that
are with us and part of the 18
88 message study committee. We
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have the President Robert
Welcome. Thank you, John. Really
good to be here. It's just a
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blessing to to share this with
you guys. And you guys been such
a blessing to us over
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time to really appreciative
of being with you. >> Thank you.
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Thank you. It's a blessing to
have you here. And we know
everyone that will listen.
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You'll be able to say that when
this program is over, actually,
we have 3 doctors with us.
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Robert is a doctor. We asked
Doctor Linda Swartz as well.
Welcome. Thank you. John is
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privilege to be here. And we
really pray that this program.
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many that will watch Amen. And
we have doctor Brian Schwartz,
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you, but those be on your your
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learning from. Our loving
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that joined in from wherever
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all walks of life facing
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trials, different difficulties.
Some are perplexed. Some do not
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Lord, that you are available. 24
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program will bring inspiration.
We'll bring conviction and will
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Lord, we present to you the
prayer requests to have come in.
You know them all. You know,
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each one by name, you know,
every every situation and Lord,
you know, those getting weak
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getting weaker some may be
almost ready to give up, give
them courage, give them
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strength, helped him to continue
looking unto Jesus. The author
and finisher of our
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Feet. And then Lord, there may
be some that are facing illness
and they may be ready
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to be healed. Some must wait a
little longer for those that are
ready, less than what
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heating for those the most
weight, help them to continue
trusting you and help them to
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know how they can cooperate with
you in the healing process. We
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ask you, Lord. Also that has
this program. Goes minute by
minute. Had the joy and the
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blessing of the Lord will
accompany it. And then we ask in
Jesus, Holy. Last name. Amen.
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Amen. Well, we would like to ask
one of you to share a scripture.
That is a blessing to you. Maybe
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this week. What scripture,
perhaps you may want to look at
a purse, a memory. A
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blessing from this week from
this week. Well, I do have a
script or actually OK.
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>> And actually, this is a
scripture that is so powerful
because it's one of the of the
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scriptures that really expresses
one of the main concepts of the
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18 88 message. If you call it
Dennis and Romans Romans. 1,
step to 5. And I'll just read
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the 6 and they'll just kind of
maybe go to 8.10 a little bit.
But it says that. Romans, it's
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the says that for Wendy was
still without strength in due
time, Christ died for the
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ungodly. And then for this age
says, but God demonstrates his
on love toward us in that while
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he was still son knows Christ
died for us. And then if those
10, if when we were enemies,
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we were reconciled to God
through the death of his son.
Much having been reconciled.
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We shall be saved by his life.
then Romans chapter 5, Rob
Bishop to Yes, wonderful.
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Anyone want to comment about
any of those >> I think it's a
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significant that. Paul there
outlines 3 of our universal
conditions. Ungodly centers and
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without strength Jesus and God
didn't wait for us to come to
him and respond. He said, well,
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you're in that condition. I'm
going to die for and do
something for the race that
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significant. All 3 of those
situations raise humanities. And
so he didn't wait for us. chased
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us down That has been food for
thought that can carry you for a
long time. Just consider
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considering those tree there
says really they are. You know
how they say power packed.
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Yeah. Well, we like to share
music with you. And I call a
musical offering. And we're
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going to have a song entitled
The Lord's Prayer and You will
here the blessing of music to
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Jonathan Kassab Asik.
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¤ ¤ >> thank you so much. Thank
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you, Jonathan. Beautiful music.
If you do not know how to
contact and contact us, you
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can look him up on Facebook and
you will find him very easily.
We like to go back.
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You know, we entitle this D 18
88 message. The key to the
latter rain and got people. I
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waiting for the latter. A But
now you're saying the 18 88
messages to key to the
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lettering and maybe we missed
something. So we need to find
out. What is this 18 88
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message? It. Why is it
important? You're talking about
18 88 over 100 years So
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what was happening in 18? 88 and
why is that important today?
Yeah, I think that's a
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critical question, If you go
back and salvation history, just
how God is interact with
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people over time when he sees a
critical need in his people, he
always sends messengers.
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Yes, the Old Testament was
Jeremiah Isaiah, all the profits
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that. >> What kind of critical
times in history, God's people
to present a that would revive
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them that would lead them to
repentance. And a very, very
similar thing happened our
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remnant church, something of a
church in that period of 18. 88
a as looking at our
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condition, our situation, the
Lord told her there's a time for
great revival needed here.
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One place she says I'm the
greatest and most urgent all our
needs as a revival to
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columnist to seek. This should
be our first work that was in 18
87. And then shortly after
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that, if too many apps General
conference was a time when God
sent to young men. One, a
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physician, one, a pastor to
Jones and AJ Wagner to present
what Ellen White would later
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identify as allowed crisis
hurting jewel and the beginning
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of all that rain. And it's the
content of that message. That is
a lot of rain and is meant to
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come of power. As we look at
evidence, history, you can see
the revival reformation or Pence
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that came after that. That time
is very, very significant. Amen.
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Amen. So what really happened? I
mean, you had this. >> 18 the
meetings of 18, 88.
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What were the result of the
meeting? I mean, it wasn't it
just another time of meeting
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people, people meeting together.
what what made it? What made it
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different? >> Now we have just
gone through a general
conference session. So this was
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one of the general conference
meetings were delegates would
come in from all around. They
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haven't a swirl of those days
and there was preparatory work
that preceded effect on weight
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had written. A letter to every
single delegate back in August
and September through 2 or 3
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months before the actual
meeting, helping them to prepare
their hearts to put
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aside their differences to ask
for the outpouring of the holy
spirit and to be actually
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praying so that that could
happen. And then during those
meetings. I'm sure there was a
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lot of business that was done
like we do in our general
conference sessions. But there
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was also a lot of time committed
to study in presentations and a
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lot of the presentations were
made by these 2 young men that
Bob just mentioned are wider.
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Another who was older years at
this point would just sit back
and talk about how her heart
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was just raise. We warmed and
say we just sit back and and
glow and be so happy about
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that. We we have proceedings of
the General sessions, but we
don't have the word for
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word presentations written down
so what we do know is that there
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was a period of time right
before 18 88 starting probably
in 18. 86 in going through the
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next 10 years. So a decade of
time were Joe's and Wagner and
others took this message all
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around the world to anyone to
Australia, 2, California, just
everywhere. And as Bob
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mentioned, in places where they
went, revivals were breaking out
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over Bibles on college campuses
that Battle Creek and South
Lancaster there were miraculous
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healings occurring in. There was
a manifestation of the Holy
Spirit being poured out. Wow.
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Praise the Lord. So yeah.
You're saying this with a life
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changing. OK? >> And I think one
of the issues also leading up to
speed in a line of a quote,
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but leading up to this issue,
the church did have challenges.
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None of chose between. You may
be leadership in and some of the
messages and so forth. I think
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that was a coffee unity. I think
that's what we need to really
look for. This message unifies.
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So I'm looking at this. I think
this is very helpful. It says
that we have nothing to fear
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for the future except as we
shelf to get the way the Lord
has led us. And his teaching
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in all past history. So as many
as we talk about some of these
issues, it's not that we
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are, you know, dredging up
things that are difficult. But
as we look back, we won't make
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the same mistakes as we
appreciate, you know, look on
the so there was definitely
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some dialogue 80 Jones has some
of the leadership and that
related to the covenants
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and some other issues that were
going on that was threatening to
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really divide the church. And
this message was Ellen White was
so passionate about this. She
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knew it would unify. And so
that's I think what what was
going on leading up to the job
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conference session? What issues
that could potentially divide
the church. And she
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wanted to bring some hominy to
delegates and like okay. So I've
heard this name several
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times. >> And knowing that our
audience is not on percent 7,
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the evidence UPS Union Ellen
White was Ellen White. Well, I
think a lot of us understand
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again that God uses people to
speak to his people, to speak to
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the white. >> If you study for
material that and tremendous
harmony with the Bible, she some
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of that we feel has a special
gift to give us insight and
understanding starting out
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above the Bible, a lesser like
the point is to the greater
light. But her role has been
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to to exalt the Bible exalt the
And so some of that that had
experience and found the
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Adventist Church was able to
direct our attention to was most
critically for us to pay
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attention to. We have sort of a
summit of quote that she wrote
book called testimonies
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to ministers as to what is the
minister said that really sort
of summarizes what was
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happening, 80 88, what that what
the concerns were and what Jones
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and Wagner's message was that
was specifically to help us move
past those issues, OK? So this
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is something that we will see on
the screen. Yes, something
you're going to read. See,
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we'll see on the screen in a
very good, OK, let's see them
that. So this is the
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description here. What was going
on that time says the Lord and
his great mercy sent
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a most precious message to his
people through elders, Wagner
and Jones. And she's going on
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talk about what the purpose of
content this message was. This
message was to bring more
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prominently before the world,
the uplifted savior, the
sacrifice for the sins of the
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whole world. No, she's not just
a believer, but for the whole
world. It presented
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justification through faith in
the surety. It invited the
people to receive the right
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distance of Christ, which is
made manifest in obedience to
all the Commandments of God.
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Many had lost sight of here.
She's putting the finger on
where our problem, what she's
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doing and diagnostic exercise
here. Many had lost sight of
Jesus. They needed to have
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their eyes directed to his
divine person. His merits and
his change list. Love for the
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human family identified there.
What we need to have our
attention. Yes, I'm going to
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be elevated understanding. Now
she's going to describe the
effect of this message. This
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is the message that got be given
to the world. Their reference
Matthew. 24 14, the
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Gospel It is the 30 inches
message, which is to be proclaim
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with a loud voice. That's a
reference to the 4th Angel
relation 18 and also and here's
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a lot of rain, a part of it
coming in here. And that ended
with the outpouring of the
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spirit and a large measure.
Amen. So the state which is
really tying together what our
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issues we're we've got many lost
sight of Jesus and what the
solution isn't solution was a
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message about Jesus made direct
our attention back in that way.
And she says, what's the
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effect of that message? It's
going to go to the whole world
and it could be attended. The
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outpouring of the Holy Spirit, a
large measure. One of statement,
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they're wonderful, wonderful
statement. Well, before we
continue, I'd like to bring to
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the attention of our viewers and
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things that took place in 18.
88. Some scriptures to help you
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this is vitally important. We're
talking about the key to the
latter rate. So that
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should wait a minute with me.
The key to the lettering. We
need to know that we need to
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know that. So praise the Lord
that you're here. You know, some
people might say 18 88
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when the year 2022 why look
back? Why? Why would that be
import? Can we just look
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forward? >> And Wolf, from where
we are forward, you're saying
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this is important tonight, you
know, based on what we're saying
about the title, the South, I
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think is a vital important. I
think the Mets and the coat that
we if we don't look back
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to our history, it's very
important to do that. But the
thing that comes to my mind is
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when the tone of Israel had
cross over the Red Sea. They're
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gonna Mount Sinai. They were
being prepared to go directly
into the promised land, but
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because of their unbelief and
because of idol worship and
because of their refusal to to
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trust God his word into believe
the report of the 10 full of
spies as opposed to the 2 true
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spies. They decided that they
could not. They did not want to
enter in and they had to
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wander in the wilderness for
another 40 years. What the Bible
calls a whole generation
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water to the water just because
of their own belief. And I think
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it's really interesting that
Moses who led them during that
whole 40 years was now standing
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across the Jordan looking over
and at that time he knew he
wasn't going to go over, but he
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began to prepare the people to
be ready to go across in. He
recounted their history. In
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fact, recount of their history
is that it was their own
history, talking about how
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they are a stiffnecked people
that they didn't deserve God's
blessing, that they were the
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least of the least. But it's
because God loves you that he's
going to do this for you.
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And he built up their faith. He
told them the stories about how
God had led them in the
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past. He really gave them a
message that prepared them to be
ready to cross over. And I
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believe that's what happened in
18. 88. And I believe because
it's the key to the
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outpouring of the latter rain.
Back we belief just as the
children of Israel believe and
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we have a wandering in the
wilderness to the tone of Israel
than wandering in the
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wilderness. The key is to go
back to our history and they go
back to it described as a
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most precious message. It still
that that terms reflecting what
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Mary Magdalene didn't pouring
up, the alabaster a message that
is most process big just because
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of her almost 400 and Doris
months, more than anything else
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that she ever got enthusiastic
about. There's something super
important finally important even
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for our day. Wow, this is this
is fantastic. I want to say
something because I think it
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was a 1988. Ah, I was listening
to some cassette tapes, new.
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>> And there several individuals
on the cassette tapes. They were
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speaking. You might have to
explain what about to you know
what that is for those 2 days.
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All of us. This generation.
Yeah, it takes for the old way
by which you could listen to
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either or audio whether it be it
was build. I tunes like, Well,
there there, Alex. Anderson,
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I'm Martin case Short and Robert
J Wieland and I something was
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brought out. That was very
interesting to me because they
seem to say that Wagner and
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Jones did not have a meeting
together to discuss what even a
say in meeting with you in a
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present for. They were
independently studying
independently, praying
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independently preparing for
their part and their
participation. But it seemed as
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if the Lord was using and they
were bringing a harmonious
message gathering his. Is that
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what you hurt as well or just
covered? Yeah, absolutely. In
fact this that you can read back
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in their writings and they said,
you know, we didn't collude on
this. We just we're starting
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our own together. >> And the
Lord is leading them. And of the
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Lord was leading Yes, yeah. If
you go really story and EJ his
father was one of the evidence.
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Jh Wagner, Gatwick. And so so
group is a preacher's kid, so to
speak. And in the early 18
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80's had an experience. He was
listening to Alan Light speak on
the West Coast and he had
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an experience that he felt was
measure he saw in his mind as a
speaker speaking Jesus
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crucified for him. Yes, in a way
that he never never appreciated
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that before. And he came away
from that experience saying I
have one goal in life that is
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and whatever and studying winner
in preaching where I'm doing and
memories. Officials in his
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ministry. Whenever I'm doing, I
want to weave the cross of
Christ into that experience is
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alert and we can see that as he
fulfilled that commitment to the
Lord to himself in her
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quote there. This message was to
bring more prom before the
world. The uplifted saviors.
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Yes, the sacrifice for the sins
of the whole world. He was
fulfilling that commitment
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to get message, that that this
is all about uplifting Jesus
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before the world. >> I make one
comment about that because as
you are speaking, John, I was
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thinking about. gun is
experience in that tent he he
felt like he was alone in the
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room that it was just him and
the uplifted save. and
throughout his entire life. Even
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when he. even have been
following Christ anymore. That
experience in the tent went
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with him to his grave. Well, and
it has such an impact on him
that that one thing the
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uplifted save. You. That Christ
at him personally. Winnie. It's
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just best to Seoul throughout
his whole life. And that's the
power of the message. One thing,
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too. I just want to quick on
bike was listening to the to the
to the 2 of them. She would make
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comments and comments like this
I could for the first time the
views of did Wagner.
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She said the same thing by John.
She said that people didn't
believe her. But she
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said they would giving the
message for this time off for
the last So that's why she it
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was It was so clear as they
presented. So. >> That was every
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fiber of my being. yes, amen.
Amen to that repeatedly. She
says these gentlemen give the
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trumpet a certain sound. This is
God's message to the church
later to see just endorsement
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after endorsement and that that
has motivated us to say what she
had such an intense desire and
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endorsement this. I want to
understand what this is and
that's basically the purpose
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of 18 message study committee is
to be a resource center for
people to have the access to
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study what Jones Wagner saying
endorsement and others have
synthesize that message. There
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were other presenters during
the ATF 8 meetings. But the ones
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that appear to >> have opened
their hearts for Lord's needing
a yes, I don't know about the
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others because these are the
ones to standing out a state. A
new identified these 2 asked the
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messengers anything 88. Yeah, of
course. He was also presenting
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during that time she was. So
this seemed to be the Lord had,
you know, the Lord, a Lourdes
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that he brings people together
and compliments. Yes and brings
out a message that needed for
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the time. Exactly. And so this
happening 18 old. How about if
we dedicate some time to bring
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out what was unique? Yes, about
the 18, 80 a message and why was
his so appealing to
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PBS? Why were lies being
transformed? What is it about
it? Yeah, that transforms
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lives because you're saying that
revival was taking People were
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weeping yet where confessing
sins and surrendering to the
Lord and they were never the
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same. Yes. What what's unique
about it? >> Can I just say one
thing for us, John so I I'm
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really excited that this
discussion. This is fantastic.
So I came into the message in
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1987, okay. When I met Brian, a
group of 7th Day Adventists
several generations of the AF
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and just and one thing I knew
for sure I was never leaving
this church. I didn't know
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whole lot. There was a lot of
depth. I love the gospel of John
and I still do today. But
00:31:13.70\00:31:18.64
as we begin to the understudy
and Brian was asked me questions
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about various aspects of
absenteeism. I knew nothing
about them. But when we began to
00:31:22.91\00:31:29.55
study this message, I realize
that this is and I've never been
the same since 1987. There are
00:31:29.55\00:31:36.29
some truth in this message. They
have blessed Maisel and then
this clever good. They
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want to share about them. >>
Amen. Amen. That I didn't attack
on Libya had let me and
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I had almost the exact
experience. Yes, she. Europe. I
once said the church. I grew
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up on the other side where I
grew up knowing that the
Adventist Church was true. We
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had a message for the end days
that prophecy was being
fulfilled. I understood the
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sanctuary, but I did not feel
accepted by Jesus or by God.
Wow, I grew up just in secure
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knowing that at any point I
wouldn't have what it took to
fulfill. What I believe that
00:32:13.03\00:32:19.03
time. I was called the to
remember going off to an
Adventist Academy and Center
00:32:19.03\00:32:22.97
at year. Lord, I'm going to be
perfect and I would pray hard. I
would study and I would give
00:32:22.97\00:32:28.08
up in despair and by by my
second year and haven't U.S.
college. I finally had checked
00:32:28.08\00:32:34.15
my mind out thinking that this
is true, but I don't have what
it takes. I can never be good
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enough to do this in Kabul.
Never accept me because I and
the problem. And so I don't
00:32:37.45\00:32:44.86
have any assurance of salvation.
I had all the doctors and all
00:32:44.86\00:32:51.07
the truth. wasn't until at the
very end of my first year
medical school. I have. But I
00:32:51.07\00:32:54.17
believe God sent me a personal
visit where use those coming in
the clouds at 2 in the morning.
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I woke up to some of that. I was
sweating. My heart was pounding
00:32:59.27\00:33:05.28
and I knew I was lost. And right
then and there I knelt down
beside my bed and said, okay,
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Lord. I'm going to start reading
my Bible I know you're appealing
to me and I know I'm lost and I
00:33:08.75\00:33:15.52
prayed it. Prayer for Penn
tents. But then I became twice
as much of a legal affairs I had
00:33:15.52\00:33:20.00
before for the next year. And I
was up and down going to all
kinds of offshoot meetings and
00:33:20.00\00:33:25.90
some of them are completely
Almost got swept up into profit
called David Kerr us. But has
00:33:25.90\00:33:34.34
he also had a rock band stayed
away from it wasn't until I
heard this message and heard
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the message that so now playing
into one of the unique things is
that God is pursuing
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me while Jesus is the good
shepherd who is out seeking me
what I am lost and running
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away from him have no interest
in him. He sends me a personal
vision. He wake is my heart.
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He appeals to me. And so the the
thing I think that is very
unique about this message is
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that God Jesus is the pursuing
savior. got as the initiator of
everything we didn't. We
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didn't initiate creation. He
brought us into this world. We
don't love him first and then
00:34:12.38\00:34:18.42
he loves us. We love him because
he first on 4. that's the
goodness of God that is
00:34:18.42\00:34:24.96
drawing us leading us to
repentance. Romans to got is the
initiator of everything he
00:34:24.96\00:34:32.20
initiate, sir, justification. He
initiates our righteousness. The
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end. This yitzhar even the life
we have right now is because God
has given it to us and eternal
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life. He has initiated. Amen.
All I can do is respond. And if
I if I stop fighting him.
00:34:38.84\00:34:49.05
Like Paulk, it's hard to kick
against the p***** and your
concerts. If I stop fighting
00:34:49.05\00:34:52.59
him, he's going to draw me and
leave me. Torre was going to
have. And that is a unique
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aspect of this message. doctor,
Robert, you have that something.
00:34:56.32\00:35:02.80
and I just want to build on what
Brian was saying. A lot of times
we think that the salvation
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process is I hear something and
then I respond. And then my
savior kicks But message
00:35:09.67\00:35:14.41
tells us that Jesus is the
savior of the world. yeah. >> If
you go to John Chapter
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for the woman to well story
right here, she shares her
testimony of the people, the
00:35:19.11\00:35:21.88
village at the end of that
story. They say now we believe
not just because of what you
00:35:21.88\00:35:26.35
said because we've heard them
for ourselves. And now we
believe that this is the
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Christ, the savior of not a
believer, only not the one has
responded, but the savior of
00:35:29.69\00:35:34.10
the world man. Now, that's
important for a couple of
reasons. Number one, we have
00:35:34.10\00:35:40.54
the idea that in the secular
world or whatever they think
like well got isn't anything
00:35:40.54\00:35:43.67
for me. I don't owe him
anything. And now if I happen
become a Christian that I owe
00:35:43.67\00:35:49.08
him something. But the message
is telling us know every single
person on planet Earth
00:35:49.08\00:35:53.52
is already uses for the very
life. We have to very existence.
00:35:53.52\00:35:58.45
A White says it this way that
every loaf of bread and who
every spring of waters stamp
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with across country and then he
signed with his own blood. The
emancipation Papers not to
00:36:01.46\00:36:05.33
believe are part of the whole So
our message to the world isn't
just if you believe then
00:36:05.33\00:36:09.90
God will do this for you. Our
message is God's already done
this for you. A man.
00:36:09.90\00:36:16.17
Appreciate that. Believe it.
Trust in him so that the message
all about what God has
00:36:16.17\00:36:19.01
already done for you and then
the response he's already you're
00:36:19.01\00:36:24.65
>> And that's going make a dish.
This is this this message? It
00:36:24.65\00:36:29.12
really does get us all excited.
But rummaged up to 5. We've been
in the beginning. This is one of
00:36:29.12\00:36:36.39
the seminal. Chapters that
really describes guards
initiative. So, you know, you
00:36:36.39\00:36:44.73
always feel like if you do
something, if you go to him and
and repent, then he will do
00:36:44.73\00:36:48.90
something to you. But if you
notice the Texan, even at the
beginning. It's like and grades
00:36:48.90\00:36:57.78
of. Of not the in harmony with
God. So first, it says. That
when you will, without strength
00:36:57.78\00:37:04.65
and one of a part of the quote
that we didn't mention they had
to do with that helpless
00:37:04.65\00:37:09.56
human agent. That's what that
the passion testimonies to
ministers Page. 92 talks about
00:37:09.56\00:37:17.43
that. He was reaching out to the
helpless human agent. And the
Bible says that many were
00:37:17.43\00:37:22.27
still without strength in due
time. Christ died for the on got
me. So this without
00:37:22.27\00:37:27.08
strength and then there's
ungodly and then of those 8 but
went. But God demonstrates
00:37:27.08\00:37:32.58
his on toward us in that while
he was Tilson is. Christ died
for us and then in verse 10,
00:37:32.58\00:37:39.49
if were enemies. So it was like
without strength and godly sin
is and then enemies.
00:37:39.49\00:37:47.66
God was the one who was reaching
out to us. In fact, 10 says if
00:37:47.66\00:37:53.34
Whitney was still it's been what
enemies we were reconciled. So
got already done so much for us.
00:37:53.34\00:38:00.44
He died for us. You reconciled
the will to himself. It wasn't
because we went to him. It was
00:38:00.44\00:38:08.88
because of his great love for us
that he did this for us and the
Indian. Anything enemies.
00:38:08.88\00:38:14.79
You defer his enemies while
every single religion in the
world, all pagan religions,
00:38:14.79\00:38:20.86
but even many Christian
religions. >> Judaism is long.
00:38:20.86\00:38:25.90
The major religions have the
idea that we have to do
something first, God's favor.
00:38:25.90\00:38:32.37
And what the 88 does, that
message that was given to the
other to church over 100 years
00:38:32.37\00:38:35.51
ago is that, you know, God is
out seeking year. He's already
initiated. Your salvation. He's
00:38:35.51\00:38:41.65
already given us eternal life.
If we have the sun, we have life
that life is in Jesus and
00:38:41.65\00:38:47.62
Jesus has been the savior of the
world. He is the that God has
given you all men That's
00:38:47.62\00:38:53.19
wonderful. So we don't have a
parable of the sheep looking for
savior looking for the
00:38:53.19\00:39:04.21
last year is U.S. 3rd Time's the
Sheep. Any brings to shoot? Yes.
00:39:04.21\00:39:08.18
what this what this does, John,
it changes our motivation for
the Christian experience.
00:39:08.18\00:39:11.05
>> So so. Typically people do
religion to gain personal
security. I'm in secure about
00:39:11.05\00:39:17.95
myself. I feel guilt. Therefore,
I need to pursue guy, reach out
00:39:17.95\00:39:21.56
to God. Then he'll do something
for me. This changes the
motivation. This says I've
00:39:21.56\00:39:28.03
already done all this for you. I
am your savior already. I've
already born all of your sins.
00:39:28.03\00:39:31.57
Now we're responding not as a
grasping for personal security,
but an appreciation
00:39:31.57\00:39:35.74
for God has already done for me
how to patients, how the someone
go from the I know I
00:39:35.74\00:39:42.68
have to do >> I know I have to
something because that's almost
00:39:42.68\00:39:47.35
like a natural. Somebody at one
point in your life has given you
a gift. like, but I didn't get
00:39:47.35\00:39:55.92
to get anything for And the
person just gave you a gift. Not
it. Not really expecting
00:39:55.92\00:39:59.76
anything back, but we think, oh,
I have to do something. Yeah.
And how do we go from? I
00:39:59.76\00:40:05.30
have to do something to
understanding that Christ has
already become our senior.
00:40:05.30\00:40:11.64
This this boggling. Yeah. I'm
much too good to be true and my
heart doesn't want to
00:40:11.64\00:40:16.08
believe that. I have to
constantly remind myself that
God loves me. He got as
00:40:16.08\00:40:21.65
pursuing the and he's never
going to let me go. And he's the
one that's going to see me
00:40:21.65\00:40:24.95
through. And when I tell myself
that take the focus off myself.
00:40:24.95\00:40:27.96
>> What I have to do and start
looking to him who is the author
and the finisher of
00:40:27.96\00:40:35.30
Faith he everything. If I start
believing that that starts
having power my life, I
00:40:35.30\00:40:42.44
start doubting my I start I I
forget my own insecurities.
mined out and I start focusing
00:40:42.44\00:40:47.78
on Jesus and what he wants to do
to transform my life end it in
the quote an originally
00:40:47.78\00:40:53.92
given the message was the
message of the righteousness of
Christ that produces in the
00:40:53.92\00:40:59.35
believer overcoming someone that
that is in harmony with the
Commandments of God. This
00:40:59.35\00:41:06.13
was a righteousness by faith and
the setting of the cleansing of
00:41:06.13\00:41:09.06
the sanctuary that will actually
produce a people that ball and
love with Christ who pursues
00:41:09.06\00:41:15.17
them to the point where they
would give up everything to
follow him. That's the power of
00:41:15.17\00:41:18.47
the U.S. to transform a life.
Amen. Praise. The Lord you know,
it's marvelous to I know where
00:41:18.47\00:41:24.98
you're it's. >> We have
many points. We also have to get
00:41:24.98\00:41:32.65
testimony from right. There is
something I just want to show
another quote about motivations.
00:41:32.65\00:41:36.49
I think motivations a critical
component. Ellen White says. >>
It's not the fear of
00:41:36.49\00:41:40.83
punishment or the hope of her
lasting war. That leaves the
disciples of Christ to follow
00:41:40.83\00:41:44.90
him. the motivations are other
isn't that it's all about for
punishment or she has no, it's
00:41:44.90\00:41:50.41
not the fear of punishment for
word she goes on says the
disciples of Christ behold the
00:41:50.41\00:41:56.61
Savior and his matches led
display from the major of The
means of death in the
00:41:56.61\00:42:00.78
conference crossed the side of
tracks. They hear his voice and
00:42:00.78\00:42:06.72
the follow So the motivation
becomes not grasping for reward
for myself, for fear of
00:42:06.72\00:42:10.29
punishment becomes an
attractiveness of Jesus. He's so
beautiful. He's done so much for
00:42:10.29\00:42:15.83
me. Already. I want to follow
him completely different
motivation for why we do
00:42:15.83\00:42:19.93
religion. Why we do
Christianity. Why we do that. It
could. It could produce a
00:42:19.93\00:42:23.94
human being like Moses who
sudden large, if you can't save
the stiff neck, people
00:42:23.94\00:42:28.81
them block me out of your book.
While like Paul who said if I
could be a curse for my
00:42:28.81\00:42:32.45
brother and let me be a curse.
>> Jesus was a curse for his
brother and he took the curse
00:42:32.45\00:42:38.02
is Galatians 3.13, says having
become a curse because he was
hung on a tree. He went to the
00:42:38.02\00:42:44.53
cross. He is the one that has
actually done that. But that's
how God's people in the very
00:42:44.53\00:42:48.30
last days. Well. Will lose all
of their focus on their own and
securities in. They will
00:42:48.30\00:42:54.87
look to Jesus. Who can produce
that same sort of response as
00:42:54.87\00:43:02.18
Moses are as Paul. >> A man and
I tell a quick story that
happened on the way here on the
00:43:02.18\00:43:08.15
way haha, I know that we have
that. I don't know what time
that is going to become point.
00:43:08.15\00:43:11.75
>> I'm the only time we argues
when I drive getting nervous. >>
this time it's not you feel
00:43:11.75\00:43:19.06
good. so I was asked somebody
called me this week and asked me
to call a lady in another
00:43:19.06\00:43:25.60
country. She is live in. The
states is in a foreign country.
So I said to myself
00:43:25.60\00:43:28.84
will have time driving over the
alcohol. So I called and when
she got on the phone, she
00:43:28.84\00:43:32.84
had lots of issues, physical and
spiritual issues, an emotional
00:43:32.84\00:43:39.91
issues as bill to the physical
problems she was sharing with
me. She was very tense and just
00:43:39.91\00:43:48.22
distraught and someone had told
to as she was relating situation
to another person. Another
00:43:48.22\00:43:55.80
believe or her country. They
said you need to try hot. You
should be doing more or less
00:43:55.80\00:44:00.80
what they told to being a better
view against men. b*** of gun
not do you not do everything
00:44:00.80\00:44:05.07
right? And I said, you know
something. That's the how God
works. God is faithful to you.
00:44:05.07\00:44:09.74
Regardless of what you're doing.
He's pushing all the time. You
know what's interesting, the
00:44:09.74\00:44:14.98
spoke about what, maybe 30
minutes on the phone and after
about 20 minutes, I heard a
00:44:14.98\00:44:18.89
change in her voice. So I said
to you saw on election was
praise the Lord. She was I more
00:44:18.89\00:44:27.00
or less is just what I
Christmas. This is what I could
you tell me? You told me that
00:44:27.00\00:44:32.80
God loves me. Even if I'm not
falling and doing everything. I
said exactly what I said. But
00:44:32.80\00:44:35.37
she repeated to me and I
realized that the power of God's
initiative. We can't even
00:44:35.37\00:44:40.34
imagine what it's like to
someone who is burdened to the
sense that they have to do
00:44:40.34\00:44:45.85
something to be more pleasing to
God. And now he doesn't leave us
there. But that's how
00:44:45.85\00:44:51.25
it starts off So anyway, every
We up. >> About 12 minutes or
00:44:51.25\00:45:01.13
so. I think this a good time to
bring in the call that we And
who are we going to be able to
00:45:01.13\00:45:07.20
talk so can assume it is an
associate of it. And if you miss
a study committee who's
00:45:07.20\00:45:11.31
been very, very active in
literature, distribution and
evangelism all over Central
00:45:11.31\00:45:15.68
Africa, Ghana, he lives in
Kenya. Does most of his work
there? But that's really
00:45:15.68\00:45:20.58
incredible testimonies about
about sharing using the 88
gospel principles to do a
00:45:20.58\00:45:28.36
vandalism, OK? So we might have
it all the as was for the
Havenots church. No, these are
00:45:28.36\00:45:32.39
gospel principles that warm
people's heart irrespective of
their background and had been
00:45:32.39\00:45:35.60
to some in other Christian
nominations or even outside
Christian denominations. So
00:45:35.60\00:45:39.90
Kansas joining us from Africans
got some incredible stories
matter. The court we
00:45:39.90\00:45:43.97
started was said that this is
the that God commanded be given
to the world that that
00:45:43.97\00:45:48.81
this is going to last, right,
that can in action. >> Okay.
Very good see if we
00:45:48.81\00:45:52.45
have Kenneth Online already. And
so we can talk to him. There we
go. You are all the
00:45:52.45\00:45:56.85
way. Where are you now? >> Good
morning, >> No. If she is haha.
00:45:56.85\00:46:08.03
>> And money actually just a
point that too. >> 5, 0, Haha.
00:46:08.03\00:46:15.37
Well, well, welcome. >> Can
a sheriff's the story about the
00:46:15.37\00:46:17.67
young man who came to one of
your bible study groups. His dad
was a leader and a non
00:46:17.67\00:46:22.21
nomination. And tell us that
story about how how you were
able to share the gospel. That
00:46:22.21\00:46:27.32
whole family in that church. >>
Yes, this is a story of a >>
young mind who me in that I
00:46:27.32\00:46:34.79
did read it doing now. >> can. I
was season one of the in that'll
00:46:34.79\00:46:44.70
be. So this this guy and acted
over the last bend he was on the
monument that he gots all the
00:46:44.70\00:46:50.17
principles of the gospel last 2
the presentations. So when he
went back home, you broke
00:46:50.17\00:46:57.48
the news to his father that he
is joining 7th day. But in the
father issues and rejected him
00:46:57.48\00:47:03.75
and sent him away. He the most.
He said, I'm going to be he's in
the mall and sent him
00:47:03.75\00:47:09.52
away. So can you wait that
initial story? He's a on when
giving the books. I give the
00:47:09.52\00:47:18.07
book. I'm Glad Tidings.
Actually. glad Tidings Glad
Tidings to This gentleman. So
00:47:18.07\00:47:26.68
the move Wong, his hot and it's
a home. I want to do something
new to the Hole. And
00:47:26.68\00:47:34.92
it lists the group could some
point where he knew the father?
Wouldn't that up to
00:47:34.92\00:47:37.99
the After few weeks the father
got hold of the book and read
the book and the father was
00:47:37.99\00:47:48.00
like. >> Is this I which is
missing. This is not what I have
00:47:48.00\00:47:52.60
known >> about. I want is on for
a long So the gospel in that
their mind that the heart of
00:47:52.60\00:47:58.07
that old man and that's to
speak. The gunman got combat it
and is non active as that.
00:47:58.07\00:48:05.28
You the charges in the village
and I was invited to was invited
00:48:05.28\00:48:11.32
to about all this online. But
after he was in mission, some
insight into top 10. So that's
00:48:11.32\00:48:20.30
one my heart. >> Wow. Raised the
Lord. President Lord, thank you
so much to me. What's in it
00:48:20.30\00:48:22.66
about that story, John, is that
the evangelist tool or entering
wedge? We can say with that
00:48:22.66\00:48:28.97
young man's father was a leader
in on that in a church was a
00:48:28.97\00:48:33.17
gospel book. Glad Tidings is a
commentary in the book of
Galatians who wrote the book.
00:48:33.17\00:48:39.85
Yes, EJ Wagner. you're right
with that. But now we would
think, glad Tidings come That
00:48:39.85\00:48:42.78
sounds kind of dry theology, but
it's heartwarming truth. That's
well, I can say every fiber of
00:48:42.78\00:48:46.96
my being said, I'm at so when
this when this not Adventist
pastor said well, is this
00:48:46.96\00:48:51.73
would have us believe this is
gospel truth. That was what
shifted him. Was this out of
00:48:51.73\00:48:55.60
the wasn't stated that in. Most
of the things are with the
gospel of shifted them
00:48:55.60\00:49:00.20
now, can shares the story some
of the vans and you've done in
Ghana and we have some
00:49:00.20\00:49:04.54
pictures there of some of the
fruits of that minister. You
down there in Ghana.
00:49:04.54\00:49:08.01
>> Yeah, that. Let he had. No,
no we have in addition to go to
God, not and we get to
00:49:08.01\00:49:17.55
something when they asked us to
choose. If you do a meeting in
deceit he owed in the
00:49:17.55\00:49:21.09
village, the state. >> We asked
them to send us to the village
00:49:21.09\00:49:27.20
religious conference. So when
you went we need that the
something up because we've some
00:49:27.20\00:49:34.00
some folks. That's what we shed
read, that congregation and then
we were doing at training for
00:49:34.00\00:49:41.34
that. Some gospel on cost during
the daytime. And then in the
evening we have cities and
00:49:41.34\00:49:45.38
then they also invited some not
of interest to come and on that
joining the cities that
00:49:45.38\00:49:50.39
come back to. Well, it was
successful and that the and all
that the CDs we 8 about 2
00:49:50.39\00:50:00.70
zones. I don't think that the to
fall Watt none. I have been to
school but the I think
00:50:00.70\00:50:07.47
their lives to Christ a man
is praise the Lord. Thank you so
00:50:07.47\00:50:12.74
much. >> By the way, very nice.
Colorful shirt. So really is. I
from Harry Nice. Thank you
00:50:12.74\00:50:22.92
so much. So King has more to
share. Yeah, I just want to make
a come again, though,
00:50:22.92\00:50:27.26
that it's possible to do
evangelism, not merely from a
doctrinal perspective, only
00:50:27.26\00:50:32.76
right. But to do of Anderson
with the gospel first and then
see those doctor Richards for
00:50:32.76\00:50:37.93
lands of the framework of the
Gospel. What differentiates the
truth from the truth as it
00:50:37.93\00:50:43.27
is in Jesus. And yes, and we
need to be sharing the truth as
it is in Jesus, whether
00:50:43.27\00:50:47.68
it's the Sabbath stay that
whatever it is, we need to share
the truth as it is in
00:50:47.68\00:50:50.21
Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you so
much. Well, I need to once again
00:50:50.21\00:50:55.65
share with you the contact
information and I've been told
that I missed one. So I need to
00:50:55.65\00:51:00.72
come back and tell what we had
before. And plus, add the new
one. So we want to encourage you
00:51:00.72\00:51:06.73
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we have just about 6
00:51:29.85\00:51:36.52
minutes left and there's
something about the 18 88
message some focus about. I've
00:51:36.52\00:51:41.76
got the what is Got me and why
is that important? All right. So
so as I was a medical
00:51:41.76\00:51:51.67
student in my second year, I'm
starting my 3rd year. I
sometimes spending more time
00:51:51.67\00:52:00.52
studying the Bible and listening
going to meetings that I was
00:52:00.52\00:52:06.39
studying. >> Medical school, I
was so hungry to try to
understand. And friend of Don,
00:52:06.39\00:52:12.49
who was a classmate of mine. And
I we would go every weekend to
hear different speaker go to a
00:52:12.49\00:52:18.87
different conference and there
was finally a conference up a
camp Cedar Falls and carried
00:52:18.87\00:52:24.41
out by the vessels study
committee that just formed about
2 years earlier in. I
00:52:24.41\00:52:28.81
couldn't go that Friday night. I
was on call an orthopedic
surgery service. But Don went
00:52:28.81\00:52:32.85
to that meeting. He called me
that have cell phones back then.
But he called soon as he
00:52:32.85\00:52:39.12
got back. And he said, I just
heard something tonight, but
I've never heard any of the
00:52:39.12\00:52:43.93
other presentations we've ever
gone to. He said I just heard a
message on cop a the idea
00:52:43.93\00:52:50.33
that God loves us more, that he
loves himself and it was like
light bulb went off in my
00:52:50.33\00:52:56.17
brain. But that is what I've
been missing. That is what I've
been searching for. Jesus
00:52:56.17\00:52:59.57
demonstrated on the cross that
he was willing to give up his
eternal existence so that I
00:52:59.57\00:53:06.15
could let up. Jesus was willing
to die. The second death he
00:53:06.15\00:53:12.49
experienced the second death
experience, not knowing all
white and deserve ages 7.53 says
00:53:12.49\00:53:18.89
that he could not see through
the portals of the 2, but he
made a decision that he would
00:53:18.89\00:53:27.60
save the human race no matter
the cost to himself. Well, that
is a cop I love that. I don't
00:53:27.60\00:53:32.11
naturally have. We don't
naturally have. It has to be a
gift from him. But God loves me
00:53:32.11\00:53:37.05
more than I love myself. And
that's never been able to set >>
00:53:37.05\00:53:42.58
Amen. And >> That is marvelous.
Praise the Lord. What what a
picture. You know, too. You
00:53:42.58\00:53:46.25
quoted to one of the passages or
no passage, quote from Alan, you
has been such a blessing to me
00:53:46.25\00:53:56.43
to think that Jesus in his hour
of agony and get 70 as he was
contemplating giving his
00:53:56.43\00:54:01.40
life for us. He had to make a
decision and the decision he
made. One of part of this is
00:54:01.40\00:54:13.78
the struggle that we as humans
don't understand. The Jesus went
through me, went through
00:54:13.78\00:54:17.62
such a struggle. That's why it's
called the agony of get Yes, I
see you have something
00:54:17.62\00:54:23.56
more to say. Well, what it says
that conquered by faith. That's
a foreign concept to
00:54:23.56\00:54:29.33
all of us. When we first hear
how could God whose divine have
faith. But Jesus Socar
00:54:29.33\00:54:36.47
nature. He took our flush.
entered into humanity. The
humanity that need to be saved
00:54:36.47\00:54:43.65
in. So he was struggling with
this. Yes. And so the guard and
this was a real struggle,
00:54:43.65\00:54:48.88
something worse than any of us
will ever go through 3 times he
played with his father. Is
00:54:48.88\00:54:54.09
there any other way? But other
way was there. Is there any
other way to say, John, into
00:54:54.09\00:55:01.60
say, Bob, save lending, to save
me in to save everyone watching
00:55:01.60\00:55:06.40
and 3 times the answer came
back. There's no other way. If
we understand that he was
00:55:06.40\00:55:11.47
feeling the weight of sin and
for the very first time in his
life, he'd never encountered
00:55:11.47\00:55:16.68
this before. But their furry
first time in his life, he's
feeling the separation from
00:55:16.68\00:55:19.55
caught his father who he had
always been linked to. And so he
was fighting a battle of faith.
00:55:19.55\00:55:27.62
Yes. And so we call that the
faith of Jesus. That's right.
Faith that has been tested
00:55:27.62\00:55:30.99
through the crystal ball. It has
never felt. interesting because
the prize mission, one
00:55:30.99\00:55:37.70
of the aspects of the going to
it. >> There are several aspects
00:55:37.70\00:55:40.54
to it, too. And one of them is
willing to lose your return life
somebody else. You know.
00:55:40.54\00:55:49.58
So let me talk about love the
the used when got is it a time
is flying. But as as a a to
00:55:49.58\00:55:55.75
adopt a as list to God because
the kind of love we think about
it. So so selfish, but
00:55:55.75\00:56:01.06
one of the greatest things I
love about a co-pay is that
human love wants to ascend.
00:56:01.06\00:56:08.30
Yes, but God's love wants to
dissent and did dissent look at
Phillip inched up to 2. You
00:56:08.30\00:56:12.80
see the steps that Christ took
in coming down to join himself
to humanity. And that's not
00:56:12.80\00:56:19.81
normal me to come join himself
to the human race that
descending the other thing is
00:56:19.81\00:56:24.85
that at least one of the aspect
is that. Our love can be passive
00:56:24.85\00:56:31.45
but a GAAP. It is active. It is
pursuing. And so when look at
that love that wants to step
00:56:31.45\00:56:38.33
down and lose, let his life. To
save somebody else. That is
something so unique, I think to
00:56:38.33\00:56:44.10
Christianity in general and to
the message that that is one of
the things that draws us to
00:56:44.10\00:56:50.37
meet and Christ. And bike out
to used to say as night follows
00:56:50.37\00:57:00.62
day. Day follows night,
whichever you becomes almost
natural that you want to respond
00:57:00.62\00:57:05.09
to that kind of love. But, you
know, obedience and faithfulness
00:57:05.09\00:57:09.86
and so forth, yes. >> well, we
have done about 30 something
seconds left. Sorry, Robert, you
00:57:09.86\00:57:14.73
didn't have to wait for we come
back from the break. And so we
want to encourage you to stay by
00:57:14.73\00:57:19.33
for another hour of blessing.
And we have much more to share
with you. This is just getting
00:57:19.33\00:57:26.64
started. about the 18 88
messaging. You cannot leave
until you find out why the 18
00:57:26.64\00:57:33.98
88 message is the key to the
latter rain. >> So send in your
00:57:33.98\00:57:39.25
questions. Stay by. And we will
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blessings of the 18 88 message.
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We'll see in a moment. ¤ ¤
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