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13:34 did. And Jesus meets us where we are. But he also is there. If you stumble or fall and
13:41 then my experience in coming back to Christ. The first for years were like a honeymoon 13:45 with God. And then I did stumble and I did fall. But it didn't stop believing in the 13:51 love interest of Jesus Christ. Something new that I needed his help to get back up. You 13:56 got I did. First Corinthians 6 is pretty prominent verse a try. As a matter of fact, you 14:02 know, I want to do. I think we should have prayer. >> Thank you. And I would 14:06 never think it is a pity because I want people to be able to listen. Hes cars. Holy 14:09 Spirit impresses their And once again, I just want to reiterate, we want to remind 14:15 you that this program is talking about sensitive issues, LGBTQ issues. And if 14:18 you are a parent just joining the program and you want your children to be able to hear 14:24 from you first. And I suggest you make some adjustments accordingly. But let's go age 14:30 the kids if they are of age because a lot of it is coming to your schools is yes, the 14:35 textbooks and I would not be surprised that some of that children watching this 14:41 program. Me the parents of their, whether they are under 18, all the above have already 14:46 been approached in some way, maybe through tax because some kind of curriculum. Yeah. Let 14:50 me just add a note on that with crew. >> Their parents are finding 14:55 out things today and getting shocked and they're devastated because their children are 14:58 being educated through social media and through classmates at school. So it is an 15:03 appropriate program. We're not going to discuss anything that will you Priya door a graphic 15:12 or sensational anyway. If you want your children to get an education from scripture, 15:17 those are the kinds of things that we're going to be talking and wonderful. That's that's 15:19 one those have pretty as open the Bible because thank you. You give me one of the lead 15:23 into what we're going to be here for this committee and 6. >> Following have. And we just 15:26 thank you, Lord, your word is truth. We go through your shed, blood through your 15:33 broken body. You are able to save to the most. Those who come to God through your 15:44 righteousness tonight, father, we pray that you're years of the listeners, the eyes and 15:46 ears of the viewers that somebody watching someone listening tonight in the car 15:52 or home by maybe from their church or wherever, wherever it may be, that they will hear 15:59 your word. And here one thing calling you, I want to be intimate with you in a divine 16:06 way and lead you to life. That is more abundant. Can anyone else and anything else can 16:11 provide? So spirit guide continually this program. We in Jesus name. 16:19 ♪ You know, when you you alluded a moment ago to first Monday 16:26 in 6 and just one also points out. Thank you, Honey. Just want to point this out that in 16:30 this program we're going to have some questions. Also, maybe you can give them the 16:35 phone number here. yeah, the phone number, if you want to text your questions in. 16:39 >> To 6, 1, 8, 2, 2, 8, 3, 9, 7, 5, or you can email your questions to live at 3ABN DOT 16:50 TV. That right, 2nd half and we will be taking those questions in the 2nd half the 16:56 program. And so once again, 6, 1, 8, 2, 2, 8, 39, 75 and e-mail. I live at 3 ABN Dot 17:05 TV. That's right. Just in case you it and find a pen that happens. I mean, Yeah, you 17:10 load it so beautifully way into that passage that when you're talking about how God 17:15 led you and I'm going read First Corinthians chapter 6 because a lot of times people 17:19 say, well, the Bible is silent and of her professors and theologians and psychologists 17:26 say, well, you really can't find anything in scripture speaks against this way of 17:33 life. I want to reverse 11 0st First Corinthians chapter 6 in verse 11 and listen to this 17:38 done in the pack up. This is and such war. Some of you. Now that maybe somebody watching 17:46 the program that was a involved in some kind of life of crime with some kind of. 17:51 Passion that required you to volunteer to commit everything that draws us away from cries 17:58 requires us to be obedient to it. But a lot are saying those who are be to him. This is. 18:04 But such were some of you and look what goes on to say. But washed. But us sanctified. But 18:11 you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and buy the spirit of God, not so that's 18:19 what happened. We have all been justified in Sanctified washed the cleansing 18:26 righteousness of Jesus has delivered us all from something. But look at the 18:31 list now of what Paul the Apostle was talking Not only to focus on one category. I 18:36 want you to see the entire shelf. He talks about the starting first with the in 6 18:40 verse 9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do 18:49 not be deceived. He says neither fornicators no, I dollar No adulteress, no 18:58 homosexuals, North sodomites. First 10 nor thieves. No COVID choose nor drunkards no 19:05 revilers nor Extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God and adverse 11. One more time and 19:10 such with some of you what you washed. But us sanctified the were justified in the name of 19:17 the Lord Jesus and by the spirit of of York, God of our God. Now. Wait on that, 19:22 though. This question to you. Why does it seem before we get to this amazing outlined you 19:29 have real. Why does it seem as though one group in this entire list has been focused 19:36 on message seems to be, but you can't be washed. You can't be redeemed. You can't be 19:41 clans. You can't be justified is just not possible. Talk to that for a moment. Well, in 19:48 the silence that existed in the church and then the popularity and increasing. 19:54 >> I'm coming that people did are they would they would indicating that they were gay. 20:00 I'm in the 70's during the sexual revolution that began to to catch It became to be 20:06 more vocal. It would show up in television and movies and then the gay rights movement 20:14 really began to take some traction. And so. would begin to say, well, that's, you 20:21 know, that's just wrong. And those people are going to burn and horrible things would be 20:26 said. But there was no redemptive things that were said So that was silence from 20:31 within the church. And so it became something that was begging for the spotlight. 20:41 Politicians begin to show up. I'm advocating for homosexuality for 20:48 relationships that we're loving it, loving monogamous or whatever. Kind of a picture 20:51 you wanted to paint. As a as it related to scripture. It would contrast scripture and 20:59 it began get traction so that people were listening to the voice of people instead of the 21:04 and said the word of God. Wow, and the gay rights movement, you know, unfolded. So we 21:12 began to to them here in the well, I'm sorry, not in the 70's, but in the early 80's, 21:19 when aides arrived. That begin to be a little bit of a scare to people who identified as 21:26 LGBT and then there became a little bit of a reflection back on. Oh, wait a minute. 21:30 What what is it that God is asking of me? Now have a question. What is Ken Hersh an 21:38 therapy? >> Well, conversion therapy is something that we certainly 21:43 want to dive into here. It's it is. I'll give you a that I found through a ministry. And 21:53 that is changed ministry and they give a pretty clear definition is says there's no 21:59 widely accepted legal definition of so-called conversion therapy. In fact, 22:06 legislative bans do not rely on population-wide evidence-based studies and 22:12 honest definition for use in law could be conversion. Therapy is any counseling 22:18 practice that overrides personal consent and employees aversive techniques to affect 22:24 sexual behaviors. Ethical talk based change, allowing council addresses, confusion, trauma 22:34 childhood abuse and shame. So that's that's really what has been available through those 22:40 who especially in Christian psychology, will come to address the issues of trauma 22:45 and other events in someone's life that could have led fall basically from grace. You 22:53 know, like this came about as being so incredibly important to me in a revelation to me 22:56 here 4 months ago when I saw an interview Andrew Rodriquez and Krista Branch Bontrager 23:06 and Andrew Begin to talk about the 4 different positions in the church that have really 23:10 created a certain element of chaos. and those positions were derived Portland 23:20 Fellowship ministry in Portland, Oregon, by Jason Thompson. And there are 4 23:24 columns. One is the rebel column where a person is basically reveling in their 23:30 sand. They're proud of their son. They want to be just the way they are. They don't think 23:33 there's any problem with that. They don't want to find the root causes. You know, it's 23:37 kind of an in-your-face thing to the church, to God, whatever the case may be, then 23:40 there's the resist column where there are people who are still gay, identified, but 23:46 they might have a certain sense of morality. The morality like no promiscuity 23:52 or incest or sexual abuse would be wrong. But they might even lean towards the idea 23:56 that a gay monogamous relationship might be OK. And yet there may be some that 24:02 somewhat celibate, but still would call themselves. Okay. Christian? 24:05 >> OK, so those 2, again is. First category rebel, OK second? okay. So generally 24:14 that's the viewpoint of what community. >> That would be the LGBT plus 24:20 community that are basically proud of who they are. >> So so they're they're 24:25 identified right there, identifying with a lifestyle, but not really Sen. We want to 24:28 get out of those just to to And so you have the book. I wrote a book actually somewhat 24:33 with regards to this because in our own denomination, we had a book 24:36 >> surface that was from a cultural standpoint that this is just kind of how you are. 24:43 And there's no there's there's no way out nor should you try to prompt somebody to find a 24:47 way out. And that book guiding families of LGBT plus loved ones. And then I wrote a to 24:54 analyze that book called Line by Line, OK, I biblical analysis of guiding families 24:59 of LGBT plus loved ones and so if you're interested in this book, I think that you see on 25:04 the screen now how you might obtain a copy of it by going to my website. They're 25:09 actually 21 testimonies in this book and about people who decided that God is worth it 25:14 and they decided to leave the LGBT culture for Jesus Christ Love. And for those listening, 25:19 it's no his love. >> Dot org. Ford Slash store. That's we can get the book. 25:27 No, his love just as it sounds dot org forward. Slash store and the book is line by line 25:34 responding to the fact that this book has, as you said, how many testimonies 21? 25:39 >> Yeah, front line by line has 21 testimony since '07 of those are from within our own 25:44 denomination of 7th Day Adventists, which sometimes seems a little bit narrow and 25:49 conservative and not as you know, out there with all the other. Did you know, 25:53 denominations that are out there? So God convicted my heart that I should let our 25:57 own denomination know that that's that's not just a denominational problem. This 26:01 is not a doctrinal thing, but it's a faith. Why based consideration through all who 26:08 looking into the word of God as being trustworthy. And so I was convicted to bring in 14 26:13 testimonies from those that are and that are non Venice. And there are as movement. 26:20 Also the Freedom March movement that is involving literally thousands of people 26:25 that are leaving LGBT culture for Jesus Christ. He says they're worth it. And so now 26:29 they're seeing that he is worth it. What is the Freedom March? Eitan organization? You 26:34 can find out more in my book Jeffrey. A was the founder of this. I do an interview with 26:40 him in the book. And I spoken for that organization twice now, but I would like to it 26:50 through these columns, request to the so much information that we have in years into the 26:54 renounce that was shared with me. And I said, oh, that's where I am. That's who I am. 26:59 And the renounce column would give up your gay identity by coming to Christ and 27:03 recognizing that your new creature in Christ. You're not identified by your pastor, not 27:07 identified by your temptations or your desires, but who Jesus says that you are, you 27:14 surrender your diet desires and your temptations to him and seek to live for him. in 27:21 doing so. Sometimes for a lot of people that becomes a dead stop and they don't look 27:27 beyond that as to what what Christ might have in store for them. What if we were to look 27:34 Circumstantially or maybe even. To some degree Gina lobbed geologically, although 27:42 there's not a gay gene there there we have the sins of our fathers surprise. Sometimes 27:47 that bring down a weakness of our flash and circumstantial big for me. My birth mother 27:53 with insistent about having a girl instead of a boy during a pregnancy and then broke my 27:57 arm in 2 different places. After was born, it was pretty clear that I wasn't going to 28:01 be running up to a woman and saying, oh, I love you and you know it just it didn't work 28:04 out that way. But I found that when I came back to Christ, I got stuck in this renounce 28:10 column. For the last 12 years. And when I heard Andrew Rodriquez say to me as I was 28:17 watching this interview with him. If you've given your life to Christ and you can see that 28:25 don't developmentally you fell from grace because of sin because of what Satan has 28:28 done. And how convince teen years through our senses and through various incidences 28:35 that may be traumatic incidences. Don't you believe that by coming to Christ that 28:40 he can developmentally take you back into a position of healing of which you might 28:44 experience with him through counseling through scripture and through a surrender and 28:50 abiding in Christ. To the point where some might even enjoy a relationship with 28:55 someone of the opposite sex because of all things that are possible through Jesus Christ. 28:59 Teen and 2 others who may come to a point in their relationship with Christ that 29:04 they learned 100 never navigate towards Christ. But with a significantly less 29:11 intensity of the desires and the temptations that you had with outs when you didn't seek 29:16 therapy. And so that does bring us into the element of our the discussion about 29:24 conversion therapy and grievances, the kind of hate that term because of what 29:26 people implied by that. They mean they they imply all these aversive techniques. But what 29:33 he points out is let's talk about this seriously. When he says, you know, homosexuality 29:39 was removed from the DSM, the Dye Diagnostic Statistical Manual for the the the 29:46 American Psychiatric Association in 1973. And then they allowed people who. 29:54 >> Said, well, yes, I'm acting out as gay. I seem to sense that that's what I'm being 30:02 driven towards. ego nick kelly I I am not happy with being this person. I don't believe 30:11 this is who I really am. I really want to be who Christ wants me to be. And so at that 30:17 time they would allow the aversive techniques all the way up until 1980. 30:22 >> And then in 1980, they decided that these therapies were were not beneficial. They 30:27 were they were hurting and harming, you know, individuals. 30:30 >> With the shock therapy and ice cold and doing various techniques like that. In 1980, 30:35 we see a shift. Then that that counselors are. >> Are abating. Those types of 30:46 techniques. But what should be left in place is that anybody who is on their own accord who 30:54 is wanting to seek therapy, they're going in seeking out a therapist that they think 30:58 might be able to work with them as it relates to to conversion therapy. You don't 31:06 get an accreditation to becoming a therapist, Sari Yeah, it doesn't exist. And so 31:13 this definition this because of the stigma connected to it. >> Yes, but and things 31:18 happened, OK, >> that are beginning to to happen that Christians aren't 31:23 even aware of today. The the what is happening there is a social pressure LGBT activism 31:30 and those who sympathize with them are putting pressure on the a PA today to criminalize. 31:38 I'm a convert, whatever things to sound like conversion therapy. So in other words, 31:42 like what's happened in Canada now as the C 4, a bill that's passed. Praying with somebody. 31:48 This is somebody who desires prayer. He says I would like to live for Christ and not 31:53 from my flash. Yes, is now criminal and you can be put in jail for 5 years. 31:57 >> So someone came to you and said continues to pass to John. I want you to pray for 32:04 me to help me overcome this and you're living in Canada and I'm living in Canada 32:07 tonight. We both can go to jail or just the person asking for help. 32:12 >> As far as I as I'm not still doing research on this, I don't know if the person 32:16 asking for help goes to jail. But I do know that the person who would agree to pray or is 32:21 offering prayer is in jeopardy of going today on to jail and being cited for. 32:27 >> And this what I was interested to some research pride of the program. This is 32:32 not just happening in happening in Canada. This is happening. We looked fortunes 32:37 happening in Australia. What's happening in New Zealand? 14 country. It's criminal and 14 32:40 countries. So in January was voted through even with the conservative individuals in 32:51 Canada. There wasn't a single one that didn't vote for the ban on conversion therapy. 32:55 >> And shortly after Canada, New Zealand voted this through a year ago. It was a voted to 33:01 put conversion therapy. Our conversion vans and Victoria, Australia. But in February is 33:09 when they've decided to and make it start enforcing these things. Now, the interesting 33:14 thing about this is not only does that reflect on someone who is same sex attracted that 33:19 is affected by this. But because of the bill and the language of the bill on the 33:24 way it reads, if let's say there was a married couple, a man and a woman I that guy has 33:31 a wandering eye and they're in jeopardy of an adulterous relationship. If he sought 33:35 counseling. That would be criminal as well. Say it's not just for the LGBTQ, but 33:44 anybody wanting help from any kind of sex. Yes, I'm an Obama same sex couple who wants to 33:49 remain monogamous. But and there is trying to keep their relationship together. It 33:53 would now be criminal for them to seek help from someone so that they could so that they 33:59 could be morally pure. >> Well, no, I don't know pause and just kind of. 34:04 >> Give a chance to recapitulate some of these things because if you listen 34:06 to the program, >> you might be saying to yourself, am I really hearing 34:09 what I'm hearing? You are hearing what you're hearing. We just behind the scenes 34:13 homework on this to see we do What Wayne is talking about. Let me just reiterated in just 34:20 when you some terminology that maybe some of you didn't know about. But to break it down to 34:25 the crackers crack. The crumbs break is getting to the place where if you say to someone I 34:32 I'm glad to pray with you. If you want to be delivered from any kind of sexual some parts 34:36 of the world, you can go to jail now and for 5 years in some places have even more 34:40 stringent. And yeah, regulations, 10 years in Norway, 10 years in Australia 34:45 hallway. So it's getting to the place where what the Lord said as it was in the days of 34:49 law, You know what happened to the days of lot when just before Saddam in tomorrow was 34:54 destroyed. There was a this desire for as the Bible talk about strange flesh. But today 35:01 it seems like in all reality, his being legalized and any possibility as we just a 35:08 moment ago being watched is being removed. And let me just add something one more time 35:14 because you just went through 3 categories and want to reiterate what you talked 35:16 about. The rebel category. Those just don't want to go through that change anything. 35:22 They want to stay there. As on this when I was born this way, the resist category, which is 35:28 in a nutshell, identify with this. But I'm I'm not really looking for change right then 35:34 the renounce category. This is where you will for 12 years. that now this is interesting. 35:39 There are those who come to the Lord and say let me just not even use LGBT issues 35:45 somebody might say I run out alcohol. I renounce cigarettes, not announced a 35:47 crime. I came out of. But I don't believe that I could be rebuild to not be a thief to 35:53 not to not be a robber. I in always be identified that way. Can you imagine if this was 36:00 what happened in the Apostle Paul's a whole because he was watched. That's what he says 36:06 it. Yes. So it's saying that you cannot this is what this whole bill is about. This. 36:10 This whole movement to say no, you are Robert, you can always be that you. I you can always 36:17 be that. But according to the scriptures and look at that and that will get to that in a 36:21 moment. I want you to go to the one that you really focusing on the 4th category 36:26 and then we're going to talk about something that passed in America and what many 36:29 Americans really don't know. So the human rights. >> Bill would provide me the 36:36 freedom to choose and all of us, whether you are somebody who is religious or atheist or 36:43 whatever the case may be, America's based on that freedom to have those human to 36:49 make those choices. But putting bills through like this, the LGBT community who 36:56 has long fought for their right to have a voice who does have a voice today is seeking 37:01 to silence the voice of others. In other words, taking away their religious freedom. 37:05 So if you're not religious, I then I would say don't go to a counselor. Don't don't. It's 37:12 not of any concern to you. It's not of interest to you. But for those who are seeking 37:16 help, those who want to see to believe in the word of God. And we have that freedom to 37:22 believe. Still for a time, it seems that we can trust and believe in God and and his 37:28 word that I should be able to buy my human choice. Right. And by my religious freedom to 37:35 seek out a counselor who can help walk me through who's been professionally trained to 37:40 deal with circumstances in episodes of things that have contributed to my life. While 37:44 I mean, look at my what happened to me and my influence prior to even birth 37:50 let alone what happened to me afterwards. And there are other many traumatic 37:54 experiences that happened in people's lives today. LGBT community used to say on our 37:58 know that we doesn't have anything to do with abuse. But what interestingly, what 38:03 happened was that when the me too movement came along and women started saying we have 38:07 suffered in the hands of men from sexual abuse. The LGBT community immediately came 38:14 forth and to us too. And okay. So now you really are telling me now, also you to this. 38:22 Well, statistics shows and this is an old statistic that we that I was using like 10 38:26 years ago. 82% of those who identify as LGBT plus today have suffered from some 38:33 element of physical sexual abuse. >> Wow. Well, they have wow. 38:37 Now what you talk about rebuild. >> That is where you write. So 38:43 now I you know, as I listened to, you know, an Andrew Rodriquez was I was listening 38:48 to this one side of afternoon and the more I listened him tell me. Why. Why wouldn't you 38:55 in coming back to Christ not to seek all that's possible through him. And if 39:02 psychotherapy Christian psychotherapy, that is working an agreement with scripture 39:07 and if you're going to come to somebody and talk to you and help you walk along the way 39:09 with Christ. Because see, I still I have experienced same sex attraction even in these 39:17 last 12 years, too. The degree of which I had failure. But I want to tell them to the 39:23 listener, the viewer online today because if you felt just as if you are head or a sexual 39:27 person and you fell sexually or morally in some way you might find the church might 39:35 abandon she does not abandon him and that he does not leave you Proverbs. 24 16 says, you 39:43 know, righteous man may fall to 7 times. It's a symbolic number. Could be 7 77,000. 39:46 Now, I don't want to go down the road of a presumption then of thinking I have permission 39:50 to Sen. But Jesus is saying in spite of your sand, there is hope for you. So there are 39:58 many of you I know that are out there that will say because I felt seizure still 40:03 got and the moment of failure, perhaps I had that experience. But in the conviction that 40:08 comes up on my heart again, looking to Christ and saying I trust you, I believe in you. I 40:12 haven't stopped believing. And what your word says. I want more off. You then I want to 40:19 seek for their help. And so today, yes, I am. I mean, listen in in psychotherapy or 40:25 or psychological therapy today and having someone that can talk to me reasonably and 40:32 rationally about how I may have arrived at the damage that that experienced in my 40:36 life. And I'll be honest with you. I believe that that it is extremely helpful in my walk 40:42 with God. And so I want to move more fluently into this rebuild column today of 40:48 experiencing all that God has for my life. Is it going to be the same as somebody else's? 40:56 We're all unique individuals. We may all come to a different level of healing, but that 41:01 healing is always going to be in agreement with scripture. Whether I remain celibate 41:05 weather remains single or whether I end up marrying somebody. I put all those in 41:10 God's hands, but I think that he wants me to do my part. You many have prayed that prayer 41:16 God, take this way. Make me straight. But God, I think wants us to see how intricate 41:23 this is and to come in just to the sexual integrity of God's design. It does involve some 41:28 processing on my part. So God will do his part. But he wants me, though, that an agreement 41:33 with him and trusting him and walking with a developing discipline with them. So is 41:39 not a got a force. Know he's a kind of invitation. Otherwise we'd all be robots. I'm afraid 41:43 that we might be coming. Robots the voices that are getting taken away from us 41:49 today and stipulating this is a legal. This is like, oh, you can't choose this. You can't 41:54 do that. Well, where is my individuality? And where is my freedom in an America? Where 41:59 is my freedom of choice? Where's my religious freedom? Like a lot of things that are 42:04 legal but not everything that's legal is supported by Scripture. the Times says. 42:08 >> Many of the things that are praised among men are reproached So want to talk 42:15 about this that many of our audience members may not even know this part because not too 42:18 many years ago in America, same sex marriage was legalized. So there many 42:27 people today that now celebrate the freedom to now is somebody of the same sex. 42:31 And, you know, you may remember that time of the whole White House has all of 42:36 the rainbow colors. And and that was without gifting 2015 years her all around the 42:40 nation and that door was open. But there's something that was still kept in place that I 42:46 believe many of our audience members don't know about what I want to have. You do is read 42:49 that. But I want to bring the graphic up on the screen. So while you are reading it, 42:54 those of that are watching the program can follow along and see that there's certain 42:59 things that let you lead into it and then read it So in the same sex marriage, bill. 43:07 >> This is overlooked. But this is this is in the statement on the approval for 43:10 same sex marriage in America. And so the Supreme says and I think they have that graphic 43:17 to put up. Finally. It must be emphasized that religious and those who adhere to religious 43:27 doctrines may continue to advocate with utmost sincere conviction that by divine 43:34 precepts, same sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that 43:40 religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to 43:46 teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and phase and 43:53 to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure. They have long Wow. 44:00 >> You know, I'm until you have you know that to me. I knew as a pastor, I still have 44:05 the freedom. Yes, yes, to maintain the relationship given to us, but I didn't know 44:10 that this was in place right? I didn't know that. I thought that while he speak out 44:13 against show that will, you know, be in some kind of legal bind, but it's encouraging to 44:20 see it. And then that's encouraging and you have preached. 44:24 >> Well, you preach from the word of God and track that preached about that topic. put 44:29 redemption but redemption a key redemption. And you do have family members that are 44:35 okay. Yeah. And that's why that's why this not being a very I love very dearly said a 44:39 lot of people think that. Well. >> And if you say we'll have a 44:42 of a drug addict and my family you know, send him a program, we can get dry out. Yes, but 44:49 you say, but have somebody, my family, this gay and now it's it's almost mute. Which is 44:56 interesting because we don't win with somebody wants to get help in those areas. don't 45:02 criminalize that. So if somebody that's a goes to Weight Watchers and they don't 45:06 lose the weight that they anticipated losing, watch it. We don't say, Well, I'm gonna 45:10 take that to court. I'm going to criminalize that organization right? 45:14 >> Or for if I didn't get Dryden get sober, I'm going to go make sure that nobody can 45:19 have meetings. We don't do that. We let choose as to whether they want to go in or 45:23 out of those programs. I'd like to share another quote. I'm from an unlikely source 45:30 name is Camille Paglia. She is a lesbian activists and she has this to say. Homosexuality 45:38 is not normal. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exist, whether 45:45 academics like it or not. And in nature, pro creation is the single relentless rule. Our 45:54 sexual bodies were designed for reproduction, right? No one is born gay. the idea is 46:00 ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait. And so this is coming 46:07 even from someone who seems to have to have a head on their shoulders in the in the LGBT 46:12 community. I know of another lesbian activists that I've read, similar quotes. I'm too 46:17 this, too, that seem to realize now what doing that because you read a quotation 46:23 which seems >> opposite to lesbian This statement is the person who 46:26 is, in fact, a lesbian. >> And supports it as an I understand the correct. That's 46:32 But there it. But she's saying that this whole ideology, I was born this way is that she 46:36 said the idea is ridiculous. It is an adaptation, not an inborn trait, correct? Wow. 46:43 And talk to me. I believe that she is endorsing. >> The right to And so there 46:49 are those in the LGBT community today that say they didn't choose to be this way. 46:54 So I would reflect back on my childhood. There was a long time that I had attractions 46:59 before I ever acted out on them. >> So there are things because 47:03 again, from a standpoint of a of a belief in God and knowing the fall of Satan that that we 47:10 are affected. We haven't we where we were born with the stain of Santa Ana. So our 47:13 natural bent is towards cent. We don't have to act on that sent off. And so with proper 47:20 training, which I believe should be available for parents who have children who 47:24 they want to make sure that whatever frustration they're dealing with is dealt with 47:29 from scripture away from a prayerful way in a way that they can needed. As we read 47:34 earlier at your home, I'm child in the way they're they're raised that they will 47:40 return on sitting in child in the way they should go and the role they will not tip. I 47:44 believe that's why I'm sitting here today because while I didn't understand it all, when 47:49 I was young, my parents did put that in me. And and I the only part they don't like 47:55 about that verse is that it says that they will turn return when they're old. Haha 48:00 >> as and when they all, they not depart from it. >> Okay. So that's better. 48:06 >> Haha. So I'm I'm grateful for the my parents did everything they could to show 48:09 their love and their care. Even in the years I lived in the LGBT plus community. They 48:17 continued to pray for me. I believe that prayer is extremely powerful, that if it 48:21 wasn't for prayer, that God maybe could not have held this handover me because it 48:26 wouldn't have it would that would have been forceful if it wasn't at the praying of 48:30 somebody else to have the holy spirit near me or the the Angels to to guide me and 48:37 protect me during yeah. That didn't get aid. So many people son die. remember back then. 48:42 >> When many were dying from aids, prayers of your parents. >> More powerful. Yeah. I 48:48 think they out a lot and the pads. >> Also make a statement that 48:51 may seem kind of odd and I a statement but this may seem kind of off of this particular 48:57 topic and it is, in fact, one what people might say, well, why do you have to say that 49:03 about people that are LGBTQ? But I want to say this. God loves everyone. Absolutely. So 49:11 this is not a topic about whether God loves a God hates because God is love. First, 49:14 John 4, a he who does not love does not know God for God is love. This is the thing that 49:21 we but a lot of people stopped there and say, well, God loves than just the way they are. 49:27 But you can find in scripture, any example in the life of Christ where he met a person 49:31 with a war and left them with a were. And I think that's what you're talking about. The 49:36 rebuild column. And almost this ideology that if you say, well, God loves the LGBTQ 49:42 community, you might think. that's weird. We wouldn't think is where it will take of 49:47 the alcoholic. love the. Person that's, you know, strung out on drugs. But I'm 49:51 so glad he does. But almost like when we say loves people that are struggling in this 49:56 aspect of their culture, that it almost seems like a like a 10 on the side and not saying 50:03 well, doesn't 11 just that way. But you have a hard time saying, well, if God really 50:08 loves my son, when is he going to deliver him from his addiction to drugs? We don't 50:14 save. Got really loves my My cousin. When is he going to deliver him or her from that 50:19 lifestyle? We almost kind of cut off deliverance when it comes to that point. I think 50:22 that's the Bible with some of you. That's right. God delivers. Doesn't matter what 50:27 it is. So I want I want to say this too. >> To the LGBT person who is 50:34 listening. That I apologize to you. For the church for the church which had the history 50:45 of not knowing how to reach out for not knowing what to do. For mistreating for 50:52 alienating for sidelining, for ostracizing, for making you feel unwelcome and I'm 50:56 comfortable. I lived there and that's what drove me out of the church. But to be honest 51:03 with you, how the church acts. Isn't necessarily what's prescribe from Scripture and 51:11 God is asking us to show love and compassion. >> And as it has an advantage 51:17 knowing our denomination that. >> We've done a great job with with with the light and the 51:24 truth. But we always and we haven't always known how to convey the love and the 51:27 compassion. And love and compassion from Jesus doesn't leave you the way you are. And 51:34 then it picks you up out of the dredges and and says, you know, I've got more planned 51:38 for you. If you'll trust me. And really, you do have to develop a trusting God to know 51:43 that he has your every desire in his heart. He knew where we are born inequity, but God 51:49 says he purpose for you. His plans for you means you no harm me. Only desire is good 51:56 for you and saw I pray that you will give Jesus a chance and that I understand the 52:03 agenda of the LGBT plus community. I understand the individual of wanting to be 52:08 how you feel. But if we all lived, according to our feelings, are every feeling 52:13 that we felt we would all be in jail, you know, because there's, you know, people get 52:16 upset and they they want to strangle somebody just because they were having a bad day and 52:21 they don't agree with them. So for men and women today who are married? It doesn't you 52:29 know that the wall is not pulled over their eyes. They can still see that there are 52:32 other beautiful people in the world, but it doesn't mean that they're going to go. 52:35 >> And have relations with the with those individuals of intimacy because God asks us 52:41 not to. And that's denying ourselves for Christ can be extremely difficult. And I 52:47 think that proportionate to the death of which we have experienced Jesus doesn't tell 52:54 us to go and live a life of sand like I did. And every send that we. Agree to makes 53:00 it harder for us to get out. And so when you do get out. It can be some nasty scars on you 53:07 like it did on me that it's caused me to fall. yet I'm I'm standing back up and I want to 53:13 stand with Christ. And I believe that crisis going to bring me through this. And 53:15 then for that bring you through this. And so I pray that you will give a chance 53:22 that you'll give Jesus account a chance. And that. This and you know, if there are 53:28 therapies out there, you should interview a person that you're going to have counsel 53:32 with. What type of therapy do you? Do? You administer what type of modalities to you use? 53:39 And so people who are going for therapy typically are going on their own accord. And 53:44 so it would be good strange and awful. >> To say that somebody can't 53:48 go and seek the help that they desire. That's right. That's right. 53:54 >> You is wonderfully said that's what from your heart. love the appeal. You made so 53:58 sincere because you were there. It. >> We have to talk. 2 people, 54:05 not at them. And these are other children that belong with which ISIS to be part of 54:09 his family. And somebody comes into the church, if they're seeking Jesus to should be 54:14 welcome. In fact, a couple comes into your church. They should be welcome. But I say 54:20 to the pastor are to the leadership staff. Don't stop preaching the gospel of Jesus 54:26 Christ because that you now have subjects that are hungry and thirsty for what she says 54:29 has to offer that person become a new creature in Christ. Second Corinthians 54:33 5.17, tells me who I am today. Based on the fact that I surrender and give my life 54:40 over to him. That right? If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. All things have 54:47 passed away. Behold, all things have become new. >> And that's why you I think 54:52 you what is the time to talk about. You said I want more and so we go on to verse 18 19 54:56 instead of first Corinthians. Our second Corinthians 5.17. There's more because it says 55:03 to participate and the Ministry of Reconciliation it right. So this is what this is 55:08 his why I would be speaking today. >> To you today is because I'd 55:12 experience life in the LGBT culture and I've experienced a taste of what she says has to 55:17 offer me and he has good things to offer mean he has good things to offer. You 55:21 know, why do you call it culture? >> Well, you know, I came to 55:26 find out that those who are LGBT plus activists started saying, you know, we really 55:31 kind of hate the reference to lifestyle. Yeah, and I started wondering why. Well, lifestyle 55:36 implies that somebody yet everybody our Dana fined by the lifestyle are are are 55:43 products of everything from within the lifestyle, which is, you know, going to the 55:46 Gabe the sex the bars, all these different things said that are kind of negative type 55:54 of connotations, whereas there very well could be people within the culture that are in 56:00 a monogamous same sex relationship. If I state culture to you, it doesn't 56:04 have a negative connotation. It's a it's a an inclusive, not a derogatory statement 56:14 about homosexuality or transgender And so lifestyle just has that edge of like, 56:19 oh, you're one of those. And you do all I did. Thank you for explaining that. I would. 56:24 If you have questions, please send your questions in. >> To live at 3ABN, Ott TV. 56:31 You can e-mail them in all. You can text your questions and foe Wayne Blakely at 6, 1, 56:38 8, 228-3975. That right. >> And we've been talking about some categorical topics 56:44 tonight, which is kind of halfway through, but we want to be able to feel to some of 56:50 your questions. lot of times people say, this is an edgy topic, but it's also a topic 56:56 that when it comes to redemption, there's no topic off the table. But Biden says 57:01 for God, so loved the world. He didn't put a category a sign set, OK, Sade, and I'm 57:06 just going to go and that you have them because I really can't do anything for them for 57:10 God. So loved the world. His redemption is available for everyone. 20 seconds. What 57:15 could you say for people that are going to for the second hour? 57:18 >> Well, I would like to give a definition on reparative therapy to because it's often 57:22 referred to as conversion and reparative therapy. So we'll talk a little bit about that 57:26 after the break. Wow, we talked about rebel, resist, renounce it more about rebuild 57:33 because, hey, God is the greatest the world has ever known. And he's also the 57:36 greatest rebuilt. If he can create the world, he can create. All of us are going 57:40 take a short break. Don't go away. We'll be right ♪ 57:49 ♪ ♪ |
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