did. And Jesus meets us where we
are. But he also is there. If
you stumble or fall and
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then my experience in coming
back to Christ. The first for
years were like a honeymoon
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with God. And then I did stumble
and I did fall. But it didn't
stop believing in the
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love interest of Jesus Christ.
Something new that I needed his
help to get back up. You
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got I did. First Corinthians 6
is pretty prominent verse a try.
As a matter of fact, you
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know, I want to do. I think
we should have prayer. >> Thank
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you. And I would never think it
is a pity because I want people
to be able to listen. Hes cars.
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Holy Spirit impresses their And
once again, I just want to
reiterate, we want to remind
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you that this program is talking
about sensitive issues, LGBTQ
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issues. And if you are a parent
just joining the program and you
want your children to be able to
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hear from you first. And I
suggest you make some
adjustments accordingly. But
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let's go age the kids if they
are of age because a lot of it
is coming to your schools is
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yes, the textbooks and I would
not be surprised that some of
that children watching this
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program. Me the parents of
their, whether they are under
18, all the above have already
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been approached in some way,
maybe through tax because some
kind of curriculum. Yeah. Let
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me just add a note on that
with crew. >> Their parents are
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finding out things today and
getting shocked and they're
devastated because their
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children are being educated
through social media and through
classmates at school. So it is
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an appropriate program. We're
not going to discuss anything
that will you Priya door a
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graphic or sensational anyway.
If you want your children to get
an education from scripture,
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those are the kinds of things
that we're going to be talking
and wonderful. That's that's
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one those have pretty as open
the Bible because thank you. You
give me one of the lead
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into what we're going to be here
for this committee and 6. >>
Following have. And we just
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thank you, Lord, your word is
truth. We go through your shed,
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blood through your broken body.
You are able to save to the
most. Those who come to God
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through your righteousness
tonight, father, we pray that
you're years of the listeners,
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the eyes and ears of the viewers
that somebody watching someone
listening tonight in the car
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or home by maybe from their
church or wherever, wherever it
may be, that they will hear
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your word. And here one thing
calling you, I want to be
intimate with you in a divine
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way and lead you to life. That
is more abundant. Can anyone
else and anything else can
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provide? So spirit guide
continually this program. We in
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Jesus name. ¤ You know, when
you you alluded a moment ago to
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first Monday in 6 and just one
also points out. Thank you,
Honey. Just want to point this
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out that in this program we're
going to have some questions.
Also, maybe you can give them
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the phone number here. yeah, the
phone number, if you want to
text your questions in.
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>> To 6, 1, 8, 2, 2, 8, 3, 9, 7,
5, or you can email your
questions to live at 3ABN DOT
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TV. That right, 2nd half and we
will be taking those questions
in the 2nd half the
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program. And so once again, 6,
1, 8, 2, 2, 8, 39, 75 and
e-mail. I live at 3 ABN Dot
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TV. That's right. Just in case
you it and find a pen that
happens. I mean, Yeah, you
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load it so beautifully way into
that passage that when you're
talking about how God
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led you and I'm going read First
Corinthians chapter 6 because a
lot of times people
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say, well, the Bible is silent
and of her professors and
theologians and psychologists
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say, well, you really can't find
anything in scripture speaks
against this way of
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life. I want to reverse 11 0st
First Corinthians chapter 6 in
verse 11 and listen to this
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done in the pack up. This is and
such war. Some of you. Now that
maybe somebody watching
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the program that was a involved
in some kind of life of crime
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with some kind of. Passion that
required you to volunteer to
commit everything that draws us
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away from cries requires us to
be obedient to it. But a lot are
saying those who are be to him.
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This is. But such were some of
you and look what goes on to
say. But washed. But us
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sanctified. But you are
justified in the name of the
Lord Jesus and buy the spirit of
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God, not so that's what
happened. We have all been
justified in Sanctified washed
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the cleansing righteousness of
Jesus has delivered us all from
something. But look at the
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list now of what Paul the
Apostle was talking Not only to
focus on one category. I
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want you to see the entire
shelf. He talks about the
starting first with the in 6
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verse 9. Do you not know that
the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God. Do
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not be deceived. He says neither
fornicators no, I dollar No
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adulteress, no homosexuals,
North sodomites. First 10 nor
thieves. No COVID choose nor
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drunkards no revilers nor
Extortioners will inherit the
kingdom of God and adverse 11.
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One more time and such with some
of you what you washed. But us
sanctified the were justified in
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the name of the Lord Jesus and
by the spirit of of York, God of
our God. Now. Wait on that,
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though. This question to you.
Why does it seem before we get
to this amazing outlined you
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have real. Why does it seem as
though one group in this entire
list has been focused
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on message seems to be, but you
can't be washed. You can't be
redeemed. You can't be
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clans. You can't be justified is
just not possible. Talk to that
for a moment. Well, in
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the silence that existed in the
church and then the popularity
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and increasing. >> I'm coming
that people did are they would
they would indicating that they
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were gay. I'm in the 70's during
the sexual revolution that began
to to catch It became to be
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more vocal. It would show up in
television and movies and then
the gay rights movement
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really began to take some
traction. And so. would begin to
say, well, that's, you
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know, that's just wrong. And
those people are going to burn
and horrible things would be
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said. But there was no
redemptive things that were said
So that was silence from
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within the church. And so it
became something that was
begging for the spotlight.
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Politicians begin to show up.
I'm advocating for homosexuality
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for relationships that we're
loving it, loving monogamous or
whatever. Kind of a picture
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you wanted to paint. As a as it
related to scripture. It would
contrast scripture and
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it began get traction so that
people were listening to the
voice of people instead of the
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and said the word of God. Wow,
and the gay rights movement, you
know, unfolded. So we
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began to to them here in the
well, I'm sorry, not in the
70's, but in the early 80's,
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when aides arrived. That begin
to be a little bit of a scare to
people who identified as
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LGBT and then there became a
little bit of a reflection back
on. Oh, wait a minute.
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What what is it that God is
asking of me? Now have a
question. What is Ken Hersh an
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therapy? >> Well, conversion
therapy is something that we
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certainly want to dive into
here. It's it is. I'll give you
a that I found through a
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ministry. And that is changed
ministry and they give a pretty
clear definition is says there's
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no widely accepted legal
definition of so-called
conversion therapy. In fact,
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legislative bans do not rely on
population-wide evidence-based
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studies and honest definition
for use in law could be
conversion. Therapy is any
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counseling practice that
overrides personal consent and
employees aversive techniques to
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affect sexual behaviors. Ethical
talk based change, allowing
council addresses, confusion,
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trauma childhood abuse and
shame. So that's that's really
what has been available through
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those who especially in
Christian psychology, will come
to address the issues of trauma
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and other events in someone's
life that could have led fall
basically from grace. You
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know, like this came about as
being so incredibly important to
me in a revelation to me
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here 4 months ago when I saw an
interview Andrew Rodriquez and
Krista Branch Bontrager
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and Andrew Begin to talk about
the 4 different positions in the
church that have really
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created a certain element of
chaos. and those positions were
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derived Portland Fellowship
ministry in Portland, Oregon, by
Jason Thompson. And there are 4
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columns. One is the rebel column
where a person is basically
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reveling in their sand. They're
proud of their son. They want to
be just the way they are. They
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don't think there's any problem
with that. They don't want to
find the root causes. You know,
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it's kind of an in-your-face
thing to the church, to God,
whatever the case may be, then
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there's the resist column where
there are people who are still
gay, identified, but
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they might have a certain sense
of morality. The morality like
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no promiscuity or incest or
sexual abuse would be wrong. But
they might even lean towards the
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idea that a gay monogamous
relationship might be OK. And
yet there may be some that
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somewhat celibate, but still
would call themselves. Okay.
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Christian? >> OK, so those 2,
again is. First category rebel,
OK second? okay. So generally
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that's the viewpoint of what
community. >> That would be the
00:24:14.42\00:24:20.09
LGBT plus community that are
basically proud of who they are.
>> So so they're they're
00:24:20.09\00:24:25.03
identified right there,
identifying with a lifestyle,
but not really Sen. We want to
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get out of those just to to And
so you have the book. I wrote a
book actually somewhat
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with regards to this because in
our own denomination, we had a
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book >> surface that was from a
cultural standpoint that this is
just kind of how you are.
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And there's no there's there's
no way out nor should you try to
prompt somebody to find a
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way out. And that book guiding
families of LGBT plus loved
ones. And then I wrote a to
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analyze that book called Line by
Line, OK, I biblical analysis of
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guiding families of LGBT plus
loved ones and so if you're
interested in this book, I think
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that you see on the screen now
how you might obtain a copy of
it by going to my website.
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They're actually 21 testimonies
in this book and about people
who decided that God is worth it
00:25:09.67\00:25:14.68
and they decided to leave the
LGBT culture for Jesus Christ
Love. And for those listening,
00:25:14.68\00:25:19.71
it's no his love. >> Dot org.
Ford Slash store. That's we can
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get the book. No, his love just
as it sounds dot org forward.
Slash store and the book is line
00:25:27.32\00:25:34.20
by line responding to the fact
that this book has, as you said,
how many testimonies 21?
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>> Yeah, front line by line has
21 testimony since '07 of those
are from within our own
00:25:39.90\00:25:44.27
denomination of 7th Day
Adventists, which sometimes
seems a little bit narrow and
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conservative and not as you
know, out there with all the
other. Did you know,
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denominations that are out
there? So God convicted my heart
that I should let our
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own denomination know that
that's that's not just a
denominational problem. This
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is not a doctrinal thing, but
it's a faith. Why based
consideration through all who
00:26:01.26\00:26:08.76
looking into the word of God as
being trustworthy. And so I was
convicted to bring in 14
00:26:08.76\00:26:13.57
testimonies from those that are
and that are non Venice. And
there are as movement.
00:26:13.57\00:26:20.28
Also the Freedom March movement
that is involving literally
thousands of people
00:26:20.28\00:26:25.05
that are leaving LGBT culture
for Jesus Christ. He says
they're worth it. And so now
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they're seeing that he is worth
it. What is the Freedom March?
Eitan organization? You
00:26:29.65\00:26:34.62
can find out more in my book
Jeffrey. A was the founder of
this. I do an interview with
00:26:34.62\00:26:40.43
him in the book. And I spoken
for that organization twice now,
but I would like to it
00:26:40.43\00:26:50.61
through these columns, request
to the so much information that
we have in years into the
00:26:50.61\00:26:54.61
renounce that was shared with
me. And I said, oh, that's where
I am. That's who I am.
00:26:54.61\00:26:59.31
And the renounce column would
give up your gay identity by
coming to Christ and
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recognizing that your new
creature in Christ. You're not
identified by your pastor, not
00:27:03.55\00:27:07.72
identified by your temptations
or your desires, but who Jesus
says that you are, you
00:27:07.72\00:27:14.56
surrender your diet desires and
your temptations to him and seek
to live for him. in
00:27:14.56\00:27:21.00
doing so. Sometimes for a lot of
people that becomes a dead stop
and they don't look
00:27:21.00\00:27:27.11
beyond that as to what what
Christ might have in store for
them. What if we were to look
00:27:27.11\00:27:34.28
Circumstantially or maybe even.
To some degree Gina lobbed
geologically, although
00:27:34.28\00:27:42.06
there's not a gay gene there
there we have the sins of our
fathers surprise. Sometimes
00:27:42.06\00:27:47.13
that bring down a weakness of
our flash and circumstantial big
for me. My birth mother
00:27:47.13\00:27:53.40
with insistent about having a
girl instead of a boy during a
pregnancy and then broke my
00:27:53.40\00:27:57.37
arm in 2 different places. After
was born, it was pretty clear
that I wasn't going to
00:27:57.37\00:28:01.58
be running up to a woman and
saying, oh, I love you and you
know it just it didn't work
00:28:01.58\00:28:04.65
out that way. But I found that
when I came back to Christ, I
got stuck in this renounce
00:28:04.65\00:28:10.35
column. For the last 12 years.
And when I heard Andrew
Rodriquez say to me as I was
00:28:10.35\00:28:17.79
watching this interview with
him. If you've given your life
to Christ and you can see that
00:28:17.79\00:28:25.47
don't developmentally you fell
from grace because of sin
because of what Satan has
00:28:25.47\00:28:28.07
done. And how convince teen
years through our senses and
through various incidences
00:28:28.07\00:28:35.88
that may be traumatic
incidences. Don't you believe
that by coming to Christ that
00:28:35.88\00:28:40.05
he can developmentally take you
back into a position of healing
00:28:40.05\00:28:44.09
of which you might experience
with him through counseling
through scripture and through a
00:28:44.09\00:28:50.36
surrender and abiding in Christ.
To the point where some might
even enjoy a relationship with
00:28:50.36\00:28:55.50
someone of the opposite sex
because of all things that are
possible through Jesus Christ.
00:28:55.50\00:28:59.77
Teen and 2 others who may come
to a point in their relationship
00:28:59.77\00:29:04.01
with Christ that they learned
100 never navigate towards
Christ. But with a significantly
00:29:04.01\00:29:11.85
less intensity of the desires
and the temptations that you had
with outs when you didn't seek
00:29:11.85\00:29:16.52
therapy. And so that does bring
us into the element of our the
00:29:16.52\00:29:24.53
discussion about conversion
therapy and grievances, the kind
of hate that term because of
00:29:24.53\00:29:26.83
what people implied by that.
They mean they they imply all
these aversive techniques. But
00:29:26.83\00:29:33.07
what he points out is let's talk
about this seriously. When he
says, you know, homosexuality
00:29:33.07\00:29:39.07
was removed from the DSM, the
Dye Diagnostic Statistical
Manual for the the the
00:29:39.07\00:29:46.25
American Psychiatric Association
in 1973. And then they allowed
00:29:46.25\00:29:54.99
people who. >> Said, well, yes,
I'm acting out as gay. I seem to
sense that that's what I'm being
00:29:54.99\00:30:02.86
driven towards. ego nick kelly I
I am not happy with being this
person. I don't believe
00:30:02.86\00:30:11.84
this is who I really am. I
really want to be who Christ
wants me to be. And so at that
00:30:11.84\00:30:17.25
time they would allow the
aversive techniques all the way
00:30:17.25\00:30:22.35
up until 1980. >> And then in
1980, they decided that these
therapies were were not
00:30:22.35\00:30:27.06
beneficial. They were they were
hurting and harming, you know,
00:30:27.06\00:30:30.63
individuals. >> With the shock
therapy and ice cold and doing
various techniques like that. In
00:30:30.63\00:30:35.96
1980, we see a shift. Then that
that counselors are. >> Are
abating. Those types of
00:30:35.96\00:30:46.41
techniques. But what should be
left in place is that anybody
who is on their own accord who
00:30:46.41\00:30:54.02
is wanting to seek therapy,
they're going in seeking out a
therapist that they think
00:30:54.02\00:30:58.55
might be able to work with them
as it relates to to conversion
00:30:58.55\00:31:06.70
therapy. You don't get an
accreditation to becoming a
therapist, Sari Yeah, it doesn't
00:31:06.70\00:31:13.30
exist. And so this definition
this because of the stigma
connected to it. >> Yes, but and
00:31:13.30\00:31:18.81
things happened, OK, >> that
are beginning to to happen that
00:31:18.81\00:31:23.18
Christians aren't even aware of
today. The the what is happening
there is a social pressure LGBT
00:31:23.18\00:31:30.75
activism and those who
sympathize with them are putting
pressure on the a PA today to
00:31:30.75\00:31:38.23
criminalize. I'm a convert,
whatever things to sound like
conversion therapy. So in other
00:31:38.23\00:31:42.93
words, like what's happened in
Canada now as the C 4, a bill
that's passed. Praying with
00:31:42.93\00:31:48.07
somebody. This is somebody who
desires prayer. He says I would
like to live for Christ and not
00:31:48.07\00:31:53.91
from my flash. Yes, is now
criminal and you can be put in
00:31:53.91\00:31:57.78
jail for 5 years. >> So someone
came to you and said continues
to pass to John. I want you to
00:31:57.78\00:32:04.02
pray for me to help me overcome
this and you're living in Canada
and I'm living in Canada
00:32:04.02\00:32:07.56
tonight. We both can go to jail
or just the person asking for
00:32:07.56\00:32:12.26
help. >> As far as I as I'm not
still doing research on this, I
don't know if the person
00:32:12.26\00:32:16.23
asking for help goes to jail.
But I do know that the person
who would agree to pray or is
00:32:16.23\00:32:21.84
offering prayer is in jeopardy
of going today on to jail and
00:32:21.84\00:32:27.34
being cited for. >> And this
what I was interested to some
research pride of the program.
00:32:27.34\00:32:32.11
This is not just happening in
happening in Canada. This is
happening. We looked fortunes
00:32:32.11\00:32:37.62
happening in Australia. What's
happening in New Zealand? 14
country. It's criminal and 14
00:32:37.62\00:32:40.89
countries. So in January was
voted through even with the
conservative individuals in
00:32:40.89\00:32:51.20
Canada. There wasn't a single
one that didn't vote for the ban
on conversion therapy.
00:32:51.20\00:32:55.07
>> And shortly after Canada, New
Zealand voted this through a
year ago. It was a voted to
00:32:55.07\00:33:01.41
put conversion therapy. Our
conversion vans and Victoria,
Australia. But in February is
00:33:01.41\00:33:09.25
when they've decided to and make
it start enforcing these things.
Now, the interesting
00:33:09.25\00:33:14.56
thing about this is not only
does that reflect on someone who
is same sex attracted that
00:33:14.56\00:33:19.96
is affected by this. But because
of the bill and the language of
00:33:19.96\00:33:24.63
the bill on the way it reads, if
let's say there was a married
couple, a man and a woman I that
00:33:24.63\00:33:31.81
guy has a wandering eye and
they're in jeopardy of an
adulterous relationship. If he
00:33:31.81\00:33:35.38
sought counseling. That would be
criminal as well. Say it's not
just for the LGBTQ, but
00:33:35.38\00:33:44.85
anybody wanting help from any
kind of sex. Yes, I'm an Obama
same sex couple who wants to
00:33:44.85\00:33:49.72
remain monogamous. But and there
is trying to keep their
relationship together. It
00:33:49.72\00:33:53.73
would now be criminal for them
to seek help from someone so
that they could so that they
00:33:53.73\00:33:59.00
could be morally pure. >> Well,
no, I don't know pause and just
00:33:59.00\00:34:04.41
kind of. >> Give a chance to
recapitulate some of these
things because if you listen
00:34:04.41\00:34:06.57
to the program, >> you might be
saying to yourself, am I really
00:34:06.57\00:34:09.71
hearing what I'm hearing? You
are hearing what you're hearing.
We just behind the scenes
00:34:09.71\00:34:13.68
homework on this to see we do
What Wayne is talking about. Let
me just reiterated in just
00:34:13.68\00:34:20.62
when you some terminology that
maybe some of you didn't know
about. But to break it down to
00:34:20.62\00:34:25.36
the crackers crack. The crumbs
break is getting to the place
where if you say to someone I
00:34:25.36\00:34:32.10
I'm glad to pray with you. If
you want to be delivered from
any kind of sexual some parts
00:34:32.10\00:34:36.40
of the world, you can go to jail
now and for 5 years in some
places have even more
00:34:36.40\00:34:40.28
stringent. And yeah,
regulations, 10 years in Norway,
10 years in Australia
00:34:40.28\00:34:45.61
hallway. So it's getting to the
place where what the Lord said
as it was in the days of
00:34:45.61\00:34:49.35
law, You know what happened to
the days of lot when just before
Saddam in tomorrow was
00:34:49.35\00:34:54.99
destroyed. There was a this
desire for as the Bible talk
about strange flesh. But today
00:34:54.99\00:35:01.30
it seems like in all reality,
his being legalized and any
possibility as we just a
00:35:01.30\00:35:08.64
moment ago being watched is
being removed. And let me just
add something one more time
00:35:08.64\00:35:14.31
because you just went through 3
categories and want to reiterate
00:35:14.31\00:35:16.38
what you talked about. The rebel
category. Those just don't want
to go through that change
00:35:16.38\00:35:22.72
anything. They want to stay
there. As on this when I was
born this way, the resist
00:35:22.72\00:35:28.06
category, which is in a
nutshell, identify with this.
But I'm I'm not really looking
00:35:28.06\00:35:34.10
for change right then the
renounce category. This is where
you will for 12 years. that now
00:35:34.10\00:35:39.50
this is interesting. There are
those who come to the Lord and
say let me just not even use
00:35:39.50\00:35:45.24
LGBT issues somebody might say I
run out alcohol. I renounce
cigarettes, not announced a
00:35:45.24\00:35:47.14
crime. I came out of. But I
don't believe that I could be
rebuild to not be a thief to
00:35:47.14\00:35:53.88
not to not be a robber. I in
always be identified that way.
Can you imagine if this was
00:35:53.88\00:36:00.59
what happened in the Apostle
Paul's a whole because he was
watched. That's what he says
00:36:00.59\00:36:06.90
it. Yes. So it's saying that you
cannot this is what this whole
bill is about. This.
00:36:06.90\00:36:10.07
This whole movement to say no,
you are Robert, you can always
be that you. I you can always
00:36:10.07\00:36:17.37
be that. But according to the
scriptures and look at that and
that will get to that in a
00:36:17.37\00:36:21.28
moment. I want you to go to the
one that you really focusing on
00:36:21.28\00:36:26.25
the 4th category and then we're
going to talk about something
that passed in America and what
00:36:26.25\00:36:29.18
many Americans really don't
know. So the human rights. >>
Bill would provide me the
00:36:29.18\00:36:36.96
freedom to choose and all of us,
whether you are somebody who is
religious or atheist or
00:36:36.96\00:36:43.87
whatever the case may be,
America's based on that freedom
to have those human to
00:36:43.87\00:36:49.57
make those choices. But putting
bills through like this, the
00:36:49.57\00:36:56.64
LGBT community who has long
fought for their right to have a
voice who does have a voice
00:36:56.64\00:37:01.75
today is seeking to silence the
voice of others. In other words,
taking away their religious
00:37:01.75\00:37:05.02
freedom. So if you're not
religious, I then I would say
don't go to a counselor. Don't
00:37:05.02\00:37:12.43
don't. It's not of any concern
to you. It's not of interest to
you. But for those who are
00:37:12.43\00:37:16.26
seeking help, those who want to
see to believe in the word of
God. And we have that freedom to
00:37:16.26\00:37:22.87
believe. Still for a time, it
seems that we can trust and
believe in God and and his
00:37:22.87\00:37:28.34
word that I should be able to
buy my human choice. Right. And
by my religious freedom to
00:37:28.34\00:37:35.58
seek out a counselor who can
help walk me through who's been
professionally trained to
00:37:35.58\00:37:40.39
deal with circumstances in
episodes of things that have
contributed to my life. While
00:37:40.39\00:37:44.69
I mean, look at my what happened
to me and my influence prior to
00:37:44.69\00:37:50.97
even birth let alone what
happened to me afterwards. And
there are other many traumatic
00:37:50.97\00:37:54.24
experiences that happened in
people's lives today. LGBT
community used to say on our
00:37:54.24\00:37:58.47
know that we doesn't have
anything to do with abuse. But
what interestingly, what
00:37:58.47\00:38:03.58
happened was that when the me
too movement came along and
women started saying we have
00:38:03.58\00:38:07.18
suffered in the hands of men
from sexual abuse. The LGBT
community immediately came
00:38:07.18\00:38:14.19
forth and to us too. And okay.
So now you really are telling me
now, also you to this.
00:38:14.19\00:38:22.30
Well, statistics shows and this
is an old statistic that we that
I was using like 10
00:38:22.30\00:38:26.60
years ago. 82% of those who
identify as LGBT plus today have
00:38:26.60\00:38:33.44
suffered from some element of
physical sexual abuse. >> Wow.
Well, they have wow.
00:38:33.44\00:38:37.68
Now what you talk about rebuild.
>> That is where you write. So
00:38:37.68\00:38:43.22
now I you know, as I listened
to, you know, an Andrew
Rodriquez was I was listening
00:38:43.22\00:38:48.96
to this one side of afternoon
and the more I listened him tell
me. Why. Why wouldn't you
00:38:48.96\00:38:55.66
in coming back to Christ not to
seek all that's possible through
00:38:55.66\00:39:02.00
him. And if psychotherapy
Christian psychotherapy, that is
working an agreement with
00:39:02.00\00:39:07.31
scripture and if you're going to
come to somebody and talk to you
and help you walk along the way
00:39:07.31\00:39:09.94
with Christ. Because see, I
still I have experienced same
sex attraction even in these
00:39:09.94\00:39:17.72
last 12 years, too. The degree
of which I had failure. But I
want to tell them to the
00:39:17.72\00:39:23.16
listener, the viewer online
today because if you felt just
as if you are head or a sexual
00:39:23.16\00:39:27.40
person and you fell sexually or
morally in some way you might
find the church might
00:39:27.40\00:39:35.94
abandon she does not abandon him
and that he does not leave you
Proverbs. 24 16 says, you
00:39:35.94\00:39:43.11
know, righteous man may fall to
7 times. It's a symbolic number.
00:39:43.11\00:39:46.31
Could be 7 77,000. Now, I don't
want to go down the road of a
presumption then of thinking I
00:39:46.31\00:39:50.79
have permission to Sen. But
Jesus is saying in spite of your
sand, there is hope for you. So
00:39:50.79\00:39:58.23
there are many of you I know
that are out there that will say
because I felt seizure still
00:39:58.23\00:40:03.26
got and the moment of failure,
perhaps I had that experience.
But in the conviction that
00:40:03.26\00:40:08.37
comes up on my heart again,
looking to Christ and saying I
trust you, I believe in you. I
00:40:08.37\00:40:12.61
haven't stopped believing. And
what your word says. I want more
off. You then I want to
00:40:12.61\00:40:19.61
seek for their help. And so
today, yes, I am. I mean, listen
in in psychotherapy or
00:40:19.61\00:40:25.62
or psychological therapy today
and having someone that can talk
to me reasonably and
00:40:25.62\00:40:32.93
rationally about how I may have
arrived at the damage that that
00:40:32.93\00:40:36.67
experienced in my life. And I'll
be honest with you. I believe
that that it is extremely
00:40:36.67\00:40:42.04
helpful in my walk with God. And
so I want to move more fluently
into this rebuild column today
00:40:42.04\00:40:48.94
of experiencing all that God has
for my life. Is it going to be
the same as somebody else's?
00:40:48.94\00:40:56.38
We're all unique individuals. We
may all come to a different
level of healing, but that
00:40:56.38\00:41:01.49
healing is always going to be in
agreement with scripture.
Whether I remain celibate
00:41:01.49\00:41:05.09
weather remains single or
whether I end up marrying
somebody. I put all those in
00:41:05.09\00:41:10.47
God's hands, but I think that he
wants me to do my part. You many
have prayed that prayer
00:41:10.47\00:41:16.24
God, take this way. Make me
straight. But God, I think wants
us to see how intricate
00:41:16.24\00:41:23.31
this is and to come in just to
the sexual integrity of God's
design. It does involve some
00:41:23.31\00:41:28.75
processing on my part. So God
will do his part. But he wants
me, though, that an agreement
00:41:28.75\00:41:33.96
with him and trusting him and
walking with a developing
discipline with them. So is
00:41:33.96\00:41:39.49
not a got a force. Know he's a
kind of invitation. Otherwise
we'd all be robots. I'm afraid
00:41:39.49\00:41:43.63
that we might be coming. Robots
the voices that are getting
00:41:43.63\00:41:49.80
taken away from us today and
stipulating this is a legal.
This is like, oh, you can't
00:41:49.80\00:41:54.21
choose this. You can't do that.
Well, where is my individuality?
And where is my freedom in an
00:41:54.21\00:41:59.75
America? Where is my freedom of
choice? Where's my religious
freedom? Like a lot of things
00:41:59.75\00:42:04.25
that are legal but not
everything that's legal is
supported by Scripture. the
00:42:04.25\00:42:08.79
Times says. >> Many of the
things that are praised among
men are reproached So want to
00:42:08.79\00:42:15.33
talk about this that many of our
audience members may not even
know this part because not too
00:42:15.33\00:42:18.70
many years ago in America, same
sex marriage was legalized. So
00:42:18.70\00:42:27.01
there many people today that now
celebrate the freedom to now is
somebody of the same sex.
00:42:27.01\00:42:31.98
And, you know, you may remember
that time of the whole White
00:42:31.98\00:42:36.28
House has all of the rainbow
colors. And and that was without
gifting 2015 years her all
00:42:36.28\00:42:40.36
around the nation and that door
was open. But there's something
that was still kept in place
00:42:40.36\00:42:46.39
that I believe many of our
audience members don't know
about what I want to have. You
00:42:46.39\00:42:49.93
do is read that. But I want to
bring the graphic up on the
screen. So while you are reading
00:42:49.93\00:42:54.67
it, those of that are watching
the program can follow along and
see that there's certain
00:42:54.67\00:42:59.91
things that let you lead into it
and then read it So in the same
sex marriage, bill.
00:42:59.91\00:43:07.78
>> This is overlooked. But this
is this is in the statement on
00:43:07.78\00:43:10.95
the approval for same sex
marriage in America. And so the
Supreme says and I think they
00:43:10.95\00:43:17.89
have that graphic to put up.
Finally. It must be emphasized
that religious and those who
00:43:17.89\00:43:27.07
adhere to religious doctrines
may continue to advocate with
utmost sincere conviction that
00:43:27.07\00:43:34.91
by divine precepts, same sex
marriage should not be condoned.
The First Amendment ensures that
00:43:34.91\00:43:40.55
religious organizations and
persons are given proper
protection as they seek to
00:43:40.55\00:43:46.86
teach the principles that are so
fulfilling and so central to
their lives and phase and
00:43:46.86\00:43:53.90
to their own deep aspirations to
continue the family structure.
They have long Wow.
00:43:53.90\00:44:00.50
>> You know, I'm until you have
you know that to me. I knew as a
pastor, I still have
00:44:00.50\00:44:05.94
the freedom. Yes, yes, to
maintain the relationship given
to us, but I didn't know
00:44:05.94\00:44:10.31
that this was in place right? I
didn't know that. I thought that
00:44:10.31\00:44:13.98
while he speak out against show
that will, you know, be in some
kind of legal bind, but it's
00:44:13.98\00:44:20.52
encouraging to see it. And then
that's encouraging and you have
00:44:20.52\00:44:24.49
preached. >> Well, you preach
from the word of God and track
that preached about that topic.
00:44:24.49\00:44:29.23
put redemption but redemption a
key redemption. And you do have
family members that are
00:44:29.23\00:44:35.54
okay. Yeah. And that's why
that's why this not being a very
I love very dearly said a
00:44:35.54\00:44:39.41
lot of people think that. Well.
>> And if you say we'll have a
00:44:39.41\00:44:42.94
of a drug addict and my family
you know, send him a program, we
can get dry out. Yes, but
00:44:42.94\00:44:49.98
you say, but have somebody, my
family, this gay and now it's
it's almost mute. Which is
00:44:49.98\00:44:56.06
interesting because we don't win
with somebody wants to get help
in those areas. don't
00:44:56.06\00:45:02.76
criminalize that. So if somebody
that's a goes to Weight Watchers
00:45:02.76\00:45:06.13
and they don't lose the weight
that they anticipated losing,
watch it. We don't say, Well,
00:45:06.13\00:45:10.07
I'm gonna take that to court.
I'm going to criminalize that
organization right?
00:45:10.07\00:45:14.41
>> Or for if I didn't get Dryden
get sober, I'm going to go make
sure that nobody can
00:45:14.41\00:45:19.45
have meetings. We don't do that.
We let choose as to whether they
00:45:19.45\00:45:23.28
want to go in or out of those
programs. I'd like to share
another quote. I'm from an
00:45:23.28\00:45:30.33
unlikely source name is Camille
Paglia. She is a lesbian
activists and she has this to
00:45:30.33\00:45:38.87
say. Homosexuality is not
normal. On the contrary it is a
challenge to the norm. Nature
00:45:38.87\00:45:45.27
exist, whether academics like it
or not. And in nature, pro
creation is the single
00:45:45.27\00:45:54.12
relentless rule. Our sexual
bodies were designed for
reproduction, right? No one is
00:45:54.12\00:46:00.82
born gay. the idea is
ridiculous. Homosexuality is an
adaptation, not an inborn trait.
00:46:00.82\00:46:07.40
And so this is coming even from
someone who seems to have to
have a head on their shoulders
00:46:07.40\00:46:12.93
in the in the LGBT community. I
know of another lesbian
activists that I've read,
00:46:12.93\00:46:17.04
similar quotes. I'm too this,
too, that seem to realize now
what doing that because you read
00:46:17.04\00:46:23.45
a quotation which seems >>
opposite to lesbian This
statement is the person who
00:46:23.45\00:46:26.35
is, in fact, a lesbian. >> And
supports it as an I understand
the correct. That's
00:46:26.35\00:46:32.02
But there it. But she's saying
that this whole ideology, I was
born this way is that she
00:46:32.02\00:46:36.59
said the idea is ridiculous. It
is an adaptation, not an inborn
trait, correct? Wow.
00:46:36.59\00:46:43.33
And talk to me. I believe that
she is endorsing. >> The right
00:46:43.33\00:46:49.10
to And so there are those in the
LGBT community today that say
they didn't choose to be this
00:46:49.10\00:46:54.04
way. So I would reflect back on
my childhood. There was a long
time that I had attractions
00:46:54.04\00:46:59.05
before I ever acted out on them.
>> So there are things because
00:46:59.05\00:47:03.89
again, from a standpoint of a of
a belief in God and knowing the
fall of Satan that that we
00:47:03.89\00:47:10.46
are affected. We haven't we
where we were born with the
stain of Santa Ana. So our
00:47:10.46\00:47:13.76
natural bent is towards cent. We
don't have to act on that sent
off. And so with proper
00:47:13.76\00:47:20.54
training, which I believe should
be available for parents who
00:47:20.54\00:47:24.14
have children who they want to
make sure that whatever
frustration they're dealing with
00:47:24.14\00:47:29.41
is dealt with from scripture
away from a prayerful way in a
way that they can needed. As we
00:47:29.41\00:47:34.02
read earlier at your home, I'm
child in the way they're they're
raised that they will
00:47:34.02\00:47:40.56
return on sitting in child in
the way they should go and the
role they will not tip. I
00:47:40.56\00:47:44.83
believe that's why I'm sitting
here today because while I
didn't understand it all, when
00:47:44.83\00:47:49.50
I was young, my parents did put
that in me. And and I the only
part they don't like
00:47:49.50\00:47:55.00
about that verse is that it says
that they will turn return when
00:47:55.00\00:48:00.68
they're old. Haha >> as and when
they all, they not depart from
it. >> Okay. So that's better.
00:48:00.68\00:48:06.48
>> Haha. So I'm I'm grateful for
the my parents did everything
00:48:06.48\00:48:09.88
they could to show their love
and their care. Even in the
years I lived in the LGBT plus
00:48:09.88\00:48:17.16
community. They continued to
pray for me. I believe that
prayer is extremely powerful,
00:48:17.16\00:48:21.60
that if it wasn't for prayer,
that God maybe could not have
held this handover me because it
00:48:21.60\00:48:26.74
wouldn't have it would that
would have been forceful if it
wasn't at the praying of
00:48:26.74\00:48:30.71
somebody else to have the holy
spirit near me or the the Angels
00:48:30.71\00:48:37.15
to to guide me and protect me
during yeah. That didn't get
aid. So many people son die.
00:48:37.15\00:48:42.32
remember back then. >> When many
were dying from aids, prayers of
your parents. >> More powerful.
00:48:42.32\00:48:48.32
Yeah. I think they out a
lot and the pads. >> Also make a
00:48:48.32\00:48:51.93
statement that may seem kind of
odd and I a statement but this
may seem kind of off of this
00:48:51.93\00:48:57.43
particular topic and it is, in
fact, one what people might say,
well, why do you have to say
00:48:57.43\00:49:03.34
that about people that are
LGBTQ? But I want to say this.
God loves everyone. Absolutely.
00:49:03.34\00:49:11.11
So this is not a topic about
whether God loves a God hates
because God is love. First,
00:49:11.11\00:49:14.65
John 4, a he who does not love
does not know God for God is
love. This is the thing that
00:49:14.65\00:49:21.02
we but a lot of people stopped
there and say, well, God loves
than just the way they are.
00:49:21.02\00:49:27.50
But you can find in scripture,
any example in the life of
Christ where he met a person
00:49:27.50\00:49:31.93
with a war and left them with a
were. And I think that's what
you're talking about. The
00:49:31.93\00:49:36.64
rebuild column. And almost this
ideology that if you say, well,
God loves the LGBTQ
00:49:36.64\00:49:42.41
community, you might think.
that's weird. We wouldn't think
is where it will take of
00:49:42.41\00:49:47.68
the alcoholic. love the. Person
that's, you know, strung out on
00:49:47.68\00:49:51.69
drugs. But I'm so glad he does.
But almost like when we say
loves people that are struggling
00:49:51.69\00:49:56.59
in this aspect of their culture,
that it almost seems like a like
a 10 on the side and not saying
00:49:56.59\00:50:03.77
well, doesn't 11 just that way.
But you have a hard time saying,
well, if God really
00:50:03.77\00:50:08.07
loves my son, when is he going
to deliver him from his
addiction to drugs? We don't
00:50:08.07\00:50:14.54
save. Got really loves my My
cousin. When is he going to
deliver him or her from that
00:50:14.54\00:50:19.38
lifestyle? We almost kind of cut
off deliverance when it comes to
that point. I think
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that's the Bible with some of
you. That's right. God delivers.
Doesn't matter what
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it is. So I want I want to say
this too. >> To the LGBT person
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who is listening. That I
apologize to you. For the church
for the church which had the
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history of not knowing how to
reach out for not knowing what
to do. For mistreating for
00:50:45.57\00:50:52.45
alienating for sidelining, for
ostracizing, for making you feel
00:50:52.45\00:50:56.28
unwelcome and I'm comfortable. I
lived there and that's what
drove me out of the church. But
00:50:56.28\00:51:03.93
to be honest with you, how the
church acts. Isn't necessarily
what's prescribe from Scripture
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and God is asking us to show
love and compassion. >> And as
it has an advantage
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knowing our denomination that.
>> We've done a great job with
with with the light and the
00:51:17.47\00:51:24.58
truth. But we always and we
haven't always known how to
convey the love and the
00:51:24.58\00:51:27.38
compassion. And love and
compassion from Jesus doesn't
leave you the way you are. And
00:51:27.38\00:51:34.29
then it picks you up out of the
dredges and and says, you know,
I've got more planned
00:51:34.29\00:51:38.83
for you. If you'll trust me. And
really, you do have to develop a
trusting God to know
00:51:38.83\00:51:43.70
that he has your every desire in
his heart. He knew where we are
born inequity, but God
00:51:43.70\00:51:49.84
says he purpose for you. His
plans for you means you no harm
me. Only desire is good
00:51:49.84\00:51:56.44
for you and saw I pray that you
will give Jesus a chance and
that I understand the
00:51:56.44\00:52:03.85
agenda of the LGBT plus
community. I understand the
individual of wanting to be
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how you feel. But if we all
lived, according to our
feelings, are every feeling
00:52:08.36\00:52:13.70
that we felt we would all be in
jail, you know, because there's,
you know, people get
00:52:13.70\00:52:16.53
upset and they they want to
strangle somebody just because
they were having a bad day and
00:52:16.53\00:52:21.27
they don't agree with them. So
for men and women today who are
married? It doesn't you
00:52:21.27\00:52:29.44
know that the wall is not pulled
over their eyes. They can still
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see that there are other
beautiful people in the world,
but it doesn't mean that they're
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going to go. >> And have
relations with the with those
individuals of intimacy because
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God asks us not to. And that's
denying ourselves for Christ can
be extremely difficult. And I
00:52:41.06\00:52:47.73
think that proportionate to the
death of which we have
experienced Jesus doesn't tell
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us to go and live a life of sand
like I did. And every send that
00:52:54.70\00:53:00.21
we. Agree to makes it harder for
us to get out. And so when you
do get out. It can be some nasty
00:53:00.21\00:53:07.28
scars on you like it did on me
that it's caused me to fall. yet
I'm I'm standing back up and I
00:53:07.28\00:53:13.62
want to stand with Christ. And I
believe that crisis going to
bring me through this. And
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then for that bring you through
this. And so I pray that you
00:53:15.96\00:53:22.13
will give a chance that you'll
give Jesus account a chance. And
that. This and you know, if
00:53:22.13\00:53:28.50
there are therapies out there,
you should interview a person
that you're going to have
00:53:28.50\00:53:32.51
counsel with. What type of
therapy do you? Do? You
administer what type of
00:53:32.51\00:53:39.38
modalities to you use? And so
people who are going for therapy
typically are going on their own
00:53:39.38\00:53:44.59
accord. And so it would be good
strange and awful. >> To say
that somebody can't
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go and seek the help that they
desire. That's right. That's
00:53:48.86\00:53:54.86
right. >> You is wonderfully
said that's what from your
heart. love the appeal. You made
00:53:54.86\00:53:58.37
so sincere because you were
there. It. >> We have to talk. 2
00:53:58.37\00:54:05.51
people, not at them. And these
are other children that belong
with which ISIS to be part of
00:54:05.51\00:54:09.54
his family. And somebody comes
into the church, if they're
seeking Jesus to should be
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welcome. In fact, a couple comes
into your church. They should be
00:54:14.45\00:54:20.72
welcome. But I say to the pastor
are to the leadership staff.
Don't stop preaching the gospel
00:54:20.72\00:54:26.56
of Jesus Christ because that you
now have subjects that are
hungry and thirsty for what she
00:54:26.56\00:54:29.40
says has to offer that person
become a new creature in Christ.
00:54:29.40\00:54:33.74
Second Corinthians 5.17, tells
me who I am today. Based on the
fact that I surrender and give
00:54:33.74\00:54:40.34
my life over to him. That right?
If anyone is in Christ, he is a
new creation. All things have
00:54:40.34\00:54:47.08
passed away. Behold, all things
have become new. >> And that's
00:54:47.08\00:54:52.62
why you I think you what is the
time to talk about. You said I
want more and so we go on to
00:54:52.62\00:54:56.59
verse 18 19 instead of first
Corinthians. Our second
Corinthians 5.17. There's more
00:54:56.59\00:55:03.20
because it says to participate
and the Ministry of
Reconciliation it right. So this
00:55:03.20\00:55:08.24
is what this is his why I would
be speaking today. >> To you
today is because I'd
00:55:08.24\00:55:12.14
experience life in the LGBT
culture and I've experienced a
taste of what she says has to
00:55:12.14\00:55:17.55
offer me and he has good things
to offer mean he has good things
00:55:17.55\00:55:21.48
to offer. You know, why do you
call it culture? >> Well, you
00:55:21.48\00:55:26.15
know, I came to find out that
those who are LGBT plus
activists started saying, you
00:55:26.15\00:55:31.69
know, we really kind of hate the
reference to lifestyle. Yeah,
and I started wondering why.
00:55:31.69\00:55:36.03
Well, lifestyle implies that
somebody yet everybody our Dana
fined by the lifestyle are are
00:55:36.03\00:55:43.24
are products of everything from
within the lifestyle, which is,
you know, going to the
00:55:43.24\00:55:46.47
Gabe the sex the bars, all these
different things said that are
kind of negative type
00:55:46.47\00:55:54.42
of connotations, whereas there
very well could be people within
the culture that are in
00:55:54.42\00:56:00.06
a monogamous same sex
relationship. If I state culture
00:56:00.06\00:56:04.69
to you, it doesn't have a
negative connotation. It's a
it's a an inclusive, not a
00:56:04.69\00:56:14.27
derogatory statement about
homosexuality or transgender And
so lifestyle just has that edge
00:56:14.27\00:56:19.47
of like, oh, you're one of
those. And you do all I did.
Thank you for explaining that. I
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would. If you have questions,
please send your questions in.
>> To live at 3ABN, Ott TV.
00:56:24.61\00:56:31.09
You can e-mail them in all. You
can text your questions and foe
Wayne Blakely at 6, 1,
00:56:31.09\00:56:38.26
8, 228-3975. That right. >> And
we've been talking about some
00:56:38.26\00:56:44.77
categorical topics tonight,
which is kind of halfway
through, but we want to be able
00:56:44.77\00:56:50.61
to feel to some of your
questions. lot of times people
say, this is an edgy topic, but
00:56:50.61\00:56:56.08
it's also a topic that when it
comes to redemption, there's no
topic off the table. But Biden
00:56:56.08\00:57:01.78
says for God, so loved the
world. He didn't put a category
a sign set, OK, Sade, and I'm
00:57:01.78\00:57:06.59
just going to go and that you
have them because I really can't
do anything for them for
00:57:06.59\00:57:10.53
God. So loved the world. His
redemption is available for
everyone. 20 seconds. What
00:57:10.53\00:57:15.23
could you say for people
that are going to for the second
00:57:15.23\00:57:18.27
hour? >> Well, I would like to
give a definition on reparative
therapy to because it's often
00:57:18.27\00:57:22.14
referred to as conversion and
reparative therapy. So we'll
talk a little bit about that
00:57:22.14\00:57:26.01
after the break. Wow, we talked
about rebel, resist, renounce it
00:57:26.01\00:57:33.95
more about rebuild because, hey,
God is the greatest the world
has ever known. And he's also
00:57:33.95\00:57:36.25
the greatest rebuilt. If he can
create the world, he can create.
All of us are going
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take a short break.
Don't go away. We'll be right ¤
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¤ ¤
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