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00:10 Hello, and welcome back to the second hour.
00:12 My name is John Dinzey. 00:13 And we have Pastor Steve Wohlberg with us, 00:17 his most recent book, The 666 Beast Identified, 00:22 What It Means to You. 00:24 And I encourage you to get this book 00:26 to get a very excellent Bible study 00:30 on Revelation 13. 00:32 And what this beast is and what it means to you. 00:35 And so I want to read a comment here 00:39 on the back of the book by Pastor Reinhardt Stander, 00:42 "The 666 Beast Identified is a must read 00:46 for honest seekers for truth." 00:49 So if you're seeking for truth, this is a book 00:51 that we can recommend 00:53 that you may be aware of what's going on 00:55 because the Bible says that we need to get victory 00:57 over the beast, 00:59 over his name and over the mark. 01:01 And so, Pastor Wohlberg, please give us a summary 01:04 of the first hour? 01:05 Yes. Thank you, John. 01:07 And we've covered a lot of ground 01:08 and we've got a lot more to do. 01:09 In the first hour, we just summarized 01:11 how Revelation 13:18 says, "Here's wisdom. 01:15 Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, 01:18 for it is the number of a man and his number is 666." 01:23 And we dissected this text, 01:26 and then established that we really need to know 01:28 who the biblical beast is 01:30 to get pointed in the right direction 01:33 so we're not following rabbit trails, 01:35 and then we did that. 01:36 We looked at Revelation 13, Daniel 7, 01:39 put the pieces together 01:40 and show that the Protestant understanding of the Bible 01:43 and of history is that this beast is a symbol 01:47 of the worldwide Roman Catholic Church system, 01:51 centered in the Vatican 01:53 and in the authority of one person, 01:56 who is the pope, 01:58 who is actually as we've discussed 01:59 is really the number one influential politician 02:04 on planet Earth. 02:06 He's influencing people around the world 02:09 so we need to look at this. 02:10 And again, I mentioned this in the last program of part one 02:13 that we're not talking about Roman Catholic people per se. 02:16 We're talking about the system 02:17 and about the authority of the pope. 02:21 Now, let's go on. 02:23 We got a lot to do. 02:24 I have a question, Pastor Wohlberg, 02:26 before you continue 02:27 because, you know, we talked about Martin Luther. 02:31 And he was a Roman Catholic priest. 02:34 And he was sorrowful 02:37 and shed probably many tears 02:40 after he saw in the Bible 02:42 that the Antichrist power was his own church, 02:47 the church he was a member of. 02:49 And I'm asking this question 02:51 on behalf of the Roman Catholics 02:54 that are watching or listening to this program. 02:58 To them it's a shock. 02:59 How could this be? 03:01 Probably confusion, tears, how can this be? 03:06 So what would you say to a Roman Catholic watching, 03:09 listening to this program, 03:10 about what they've heard and what they will hear? 03:14 Can you give us some words 03:17 that will encourage them to understand 03:19 what they should be considering? 03:21 You know, first of all, my first word of advice 03:24 is to recognize that we're not against them, 03:30 at 3ABN or White Horse Media. 03:31 We're not against people. 03:33 But we do need to look at the system of Catholicism 03:36 because people who grew up in the Roman Catholic Church, 03:40 they have been taught 03:41 that they have to do certain things 03:43 in order to get to heaven. 03:44 I visited Rome once and I was in a certain church 03:47 and I saw, from the top of the stairs, 03:49 I saw old women climbing up those stairs 03:53 on their knees, 03:55 trying to earn the favor of God. 03:57 And that's wrong, 03:59 and that's what Catholicism teaches, 04:01 is that people have to do all these different things 04:04 and get to God through the church 04:05 and through the pope, 04:07 in order to have peace and assurance of heaven. 04:11 I don't believe that. I think that's wrong. 04:12 That's not what the Bible says. 04:14 And that's what the reformation is all about, 04:16 is pointing people away from tradition 04:18 and pointing them to Jesus Christ, 04:20 to His love, to the gospel, to His death on the cross, 04:23 and to the gift that He offers them 04:25 of eternal life. 04:26 So my advice is to just have an open mind 04:29 and be willing to study this. 04:31 And the ultimate goal is to deepen your relationship 04:35 with your Savior Jesus Christ, who loves you. 04:37 Thank you very much. 04:39 Well, we've mentioned this book, 04:43 The 666 Beast Identified, 04:46 What It Means to You, 04:47 written by Pastor Steve Wohlberg. 04:50 To get this book, 04:51 you should contact whitehorsemedia.com 04:56 And we will be sharing information 04:58 at the end of the program 05:00 so that you have what you need to contact them 05:02 to get this book, and it's very affordable. 05:06 Yeah, it's only a few dollars. 05:07 So, Pastor Wohlberg, please take us in, 05:10 by God's grace clarify what we need to understand? 05:13 Yes. 05:14 Back to Revelation 13:17, 05:19 says that this number, which calculates out to 666 05:23 is also the number of his name. 05:27 That's a critical point. 05:28 It says the same thing in Revelation 15:2 05:32 that we get the victory over the beast, 05:33 the image, his mark, 05:35 and over the number of his name. 05:37 So we need to have wisdom and understanding. 05:39 We need to know who the beast is. 05:41 We need to know who its man is, 05:43 and we need to know that we need to look for a name, 05:47 a specific name. 05:48 And then we need to look at the number of that name, 05:53 which calculates out to 666. 05:56 It's a very tight package here that we have in Scripture. 06:00 Now, let me quickly give you a little key point. 06:05 In Revelation 19:16, 06:09 when Jesus comes on the white horse, 06:12 it says in verse 16, 06:15 that "He has on His robe and on His thigh a name, 06:19 a name written: 06:21 King of kings and Lord of lords." 06:23 So we're looking for the name of the beast, 06:26 which calculates out to 666. 06:28 And this verse talks about the name of Jesus, 06:31 and His name in this verse 06:33 is King of kings and Lord of lords, 06:35 which is actually a title. 06:36 Yes. 06:38 So this proves 06:39 and there's other verses have proved 06:40 that in the Book of Revelation, 06:42 a name can also mean a title. 06:46 Okay, good. That's a key point. 06:48 That's a key point. That's a key point. 06:50 That's right. 06:51 Now, there is one name that we're going to look at. 06:54 And we can actually put the graphic on the screen 06:57 Vicarius Filii Dei. 06:59 We can, there's a name that we're going to focus on, 07:02 and the name right there is a Latin. 07:05 And Vicarius is a Latin word for substitute for 07:11 or that he's the vicar of, 07:13 and Filii is son and Dei is God. 07:16 And so the full phrase Vicarius Filii Dei 07:19 is a Latin three word phrase that means 07:24 that the pope is the Vicar of the Son of God 07:29 or he's the substitute of the Son of God on Earth. 07:32 And you and I've talked about this, 07:33 that when people think of the pope, 07:35 what gives him his authority is that people think, 07:38 millions of people think that he is the representative 07:43 and the voice of Jesus Christ on Earth. 07:48 That's what that title means. 07:51 And so we're going to dissect this 07:53 and we're going to see if this, actually, fits out 07:57 and whether it calculates out to 666. 08:01 Now before... 08:02 Yes, this is one of the main titles of the pope. 08:06 And the word pope itself, 08:08 can you tell us again what that means? 08:10 Yes, the pope literally means the Papa. 08:13 He's also called the Holy Father. 08:14 He's called His Holiness 08:16 referring to the Holiness of God. 08:18 He has an aura of authority 08:23 that has been given to no other man. 08:25 That's right. 08:26 And again, one of those titles is Vicarius Filii Dei, 08:31 which is a Latin title. 08:32 Now, let me talk about Latin. 08:34 If you go to John 19:18-20, 08:39 this is a key text for me. 08:41 John 19:18-20 talks about when they crucified Jesus, 08:45 two others with Him, 08:47 one on one side and Jesus in the midst. 08:49 There were two thieves in the middle of... 08:51 Two thieves on the outside and Jesus was in the middle. 08:53 And then it says, verse 19, that Pilate wrote a title. 08:56 Notice the word title, and he put it on the cross. 08:59 There was a plaque that was placed on the wood. 09:02 And the writing of this plaque, 09:05 it said, "This is Jesus of Nazareth, 09:07 the King of the Jews." 09:09 So there's a title that Pilate put there. 09:13 And then it says in verse 20, 09:14 this title was then read 09:16 by many of the Jews for the place 09:18 where Jesus was crucified was near to the city, 09:21 which is Jerusalem 09:23 and it was written in three languages, 09:25 in Hebrew, and Greek and Latin. 09:29 So Latin is mentioned in the Bible, 09:33 and that title 09:35 that was over the head of Jesus Christ, 09:38 the King of the Jews, 09:40 was written in these three languages. 09:42 Now, Hebrew is the language 09:44 that the Old Testament was largely written in. 09:47 And then Greek is the language 09:50 that the New Testament was largely written in. 09:52 Now, Latin was the language of Rome. 09:56 It was the language of the Roman Empire, 09:59 and it became the official language 10:01 of the Roman Catholic Church, 10:04 which is why for centuries, 10:05 their masses were held in Latin, 10:08 and many of their documents were written in Latin. 10:10 So Latin and Catholicism go together, 10:15 and Latin is mentioned in the Bible. 10:18 And really what happened, if you look at history, 10:20 was the Latin Church, the Roman Catholic Church, 10:24 eventually led Christianity away 10:27 from the Hebrew Old Testament, from the Greek New Testament. 10:33 And it led ultimately away from Salvation 10:36 by faith in Jesus Christ, 10:38 who hung upon the cross, 10:39 who had that title over His head 10:41 in Hebrew, Greek and Latin. 10:44 Now, let me put a quote from The Douay version 10:46 at the Catholic Church. 10:47 This is a quote... 10:49 This is from one of their official Bibles, 10:51 The Douay version of the Bible and it says... 10:54 It's quoting Revelation 13:18. "Here is wisdom. 10:57 He that hath understanding 10:58 let him count the number of the beast. 11:00 For it is the number of a man, 11:01 and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six." 11:05 So they've got the text there. 11:07 And then it says, 11:08 the footnote in The Douay version 11:10 on Revelation 13:18 reads as follows, 11:12 "Six hundred and sixty-six, 11:14 the numeral letters of his name shall make up this number." 11:20 To me, that's astonishing 11:22 because this is a quote right from the Catholic Bible, 11:25 which shows that 11:26 when you look at the numerical value 11:30 of the letters of the name, 11:33 it's going to come out to 666, which is exactly right. 11:37 It's exactly right. 11:38 Now, let's put another picture, which we call the 666 chart. 11:43 And so let's put that up there so we take the word Vicarius, 11:47 and we look at the numerical values, 11:50 Roman numeral values. 11:51 Now, some Roman numerals have value 11:53 and some don't. 11:55 And when you add up 11:56 the Roman numeral value of Vicarius, 11:59 which comes to 112 and then Filii comes to 53, 12:05 and then Dei 501. 12:08 And you add, you calculate and count, 12:11 which is what the Bible says we need to do. 12:13 Count the number of the name, 12:16 they come out to 666. 12:22 For short there, it's 666, 12:24 so we have a famous Protestant calculation. 12:28 And let me make an important point 12:31 and that is this that if you look at church history, 12:36 the slide of the church into the Dark Ages, 12:39 the Great Apostasy 12:40 and then the rise of the Reformation, 12:42 which eventually pointed the finger 12:45 at the Roman Catholic Church system 12:47 as the little horn and the beast, 12:49 and the woman in Revelation 17. 12:52 Eventually, what happened is post 1500s 12:56 as God's truth continued to develop 12:59 in the minds of His people. 13:02 Eventually, they started zeroing in 13:05 on Revelation 13:18, 13:08 which says, "Let's count the number 13:11 of the name of the beast, 13:13 and it's going to calculate out to 666." 13:17 And so the people started focusing on this. 13:19 And there was a German scholar, a Protestant scholar, 13:24 and his name was Andreas Helwig. 13:27 And as far as we know, in the year 1600 post Luther, 13:32 he was the first one, as far as we know, 13:35 who proposed that the title, Vicarius Filii Dei, 13:40 which is a title, 13:41 as well as a name in the light of Revelation 13, 13:44 a name is a title. 13:46 And he calculated it out, and he came up with the answer, 13:51 which was 666 like that chart that I put on the screen. 13:54 Now, there is a picture of an actual photograph 13:59 of his document. 14:03 And he actually had one of them, 14:05 before his first document came out in 1600, 14:07 the next one in 1612, and the third one in 1630. 14:11 And there it is, right there 14:12 and the Latin is translated in front of you. 14:15 And the title there, it says, 14:18 "This is about the Roman Antichrist, 14:20 revealed by his own name, 14:22 and against the glory and the authority 14:24 of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Supreme 14:26 and only High Priest of the Church. 14:28 This vaunted Vicarius Filii Dei claims for himself 14:33 and imposes upon the world." 14:34 And what Helwig did if you look at that closely, 14:36 he took the title Vicarius Filii Dei, 14:39 and he capitalized the letters that had numerical value 14:44 and the small letters 14:45 that don't have numerical value, 14:47 he made them small. 14:48 So what he did was... 14:50 And this was a 91-page document, 14:58 right on the title of the document 15:01 and showed that when you... 15:03 There's some values that are used, 15:05 and some have no value. 15:07 And he ingeniously put all this into his title, 15:12 and then his document shows 15:14 that it counts or calculates out to 666. 15:18 So this is not something that Steve Wohlberg originated 15:22 or calculated himself. 15:24 You're going back as far as 1630. 15:26 You've also showed in the Catholic Bible version, 15:30 Douay version, it has the same information. 15:33 That's right. 15:35 That's fascinating, fascinating information. 15:36 Now, there's a lot of history about... 15:38 This is the title for the pope 15:40 that was used throughout history, 15:42 but apparently they don't use it 15:43 much anymore. 15:45 Yes, and there's a reason for that. 15:46 And let's put another picture on the screen, 15:49 which is the donation of Constantine. 15:51 This is the infamous donation of Constantine. 15:54 This document surfaced in the mid 800s 15:58 or 700 and 8th century 16:01 and it was called The Donation of Constantine. 16:03 You can see on the right that it was written in Latin 16:06 and you can see Vicarius Filii Dei 16:08 right there in this document. 16:11 It has an... 16:13 We don't know exactly who wrote it, 16:14 most likely in the Vatican Palace. 16:17 And it was incorporated 16:18 into official Roman Catholic canon law. 16:20 It influenced the European politics 16:22 for nearly 1000 years, 16:24 and it helped build up the people empire. 16:27 Now, this was actually a forged document 16:30 which later was proven. 16:32 But when it first came out, nobody knew that it was forged. 16:36 And this document 16:37 was used by popes 16:42 to impress kings and leaders in Europe 16:46 that the pope was the Vicarius Filii Dei, 16:50 that he was the representative of God on Earth. 16:54 And the idea was that Constantine, 16:56 who was a great Roman Emperor in the fourth century, 16:58 that when he moved his government 17:01 from Rome to Constantinople, 17:03 to the East, 17:05 that he donated Europe to the pope, 17:09 who was the Vicarius Filii Dei. 17:11 He was the representative of God. 17:12 He was the successor of St. Peter. 17:15 And so that's why it's called The Donation of Constantine, 17:18 that the mighty Emperor, 17:21 who was quote, "The first Christian emperor," 17:24 who stopped Christian persecution 17:26 or persecution against the Christians 17:28 and helped build up the Roman Catholic Church 17:31 that he donated Europe, 17:35 all of Europe and his full authority. 17:38 He donated it to the pope, 17:41 and the papal church used this document 17:46 to build up its empire in Europe 17:51 and to get the Papal States. 17:53 And the list just goes on and on 17:55 and it was used for over 1000 years. 17:59 And the information is inside this book. 18:03 The facts are there that this is what happened. 18:07 Now, it was in the 1400s 18:09 that it was exposed as a forgery, 18:12 but it was still used for a couple hundred years. 18:16 And I'll share some more 18:18 what's in my book to support that. 18:21 Let's put another quote from the Threshold of Hope, 18:25 which is going down the stream of time 18:27 to John Paul II. 18:30 This was a book he wrote in 1995, 18:32 where he says that the leader of the Catholic Church 18:34 is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ 18:38 and is accepted by as such by believers. 18:41 The pope is considered the man on earth 18:43 who represents the Son of God, 18:46 who takes the place of the second person 18:49 of the omnipotent God of the Trinity. 18:51 Amazing! 18:52 That's page three from John Paul's book, 18:55 Crossing the Threshold of Hope. 18:57 And that just... Yes, it's amazing. 18:58 It shows that the Roman Catholic Church 19:01 places tremendous authority into this man, 19:07 and you can just see it down throughout history. 19:11 Now, here's another quote I want to put up there. 19:12 This is amazing. 19:13 This is from an interview by Sean Hannity 19:17 on the Fox News Channel. 19:19 Hannity's America. 19:20 And this interview was in 2007, 19:23 where Sean Hannity interviewed a Roman Catholic priest, 19:27 a very well-known religion commentator, 19:30 Father Edward Beck. 19:32 And they were discussing 666. 19:34 The program was called Beyond Belief 19:36 the mysterious nature of three numbers 19:38 that nobody wants to repeat, 19:40 Fox News Channel November 4th, 2007. 19:43 And this is what Father Beck said, 19:47 Priest Beck in this interview. 19:49 He said, "If you take the Latin name 19:52 that refers to all popes, Vicarius Filii Dei, 19:56 which means vicar of the Son of God. 19:59 If you take the Roman numerals out of there, 20:01 guess what they add up to? 20:04 666." 20:06 That's from Hannity's America, Beyond Belief, 20:08 the mysterious nature of those three numbers 20:12 that nobody wants to say. 20:13 Now, I'm not saying that 20:15 Father Beck actually believed what he said. 20:19 But he was simply repeating 20:23 what Protestants have believed for a long time 20:25 in the context of his discussion 20:26 with Sean Hannity 20:28 but nevertheless he said it. 20:30 He admitted it 20:31 that Vicarius Filii Dei applies to all popes, 20:34 and when you count out 20:35 to the numerical value of the letters, 20:38 it comes out to 666. 20:41 Now, to me that is astonishing. 20:43 That takes us all the way down to 2007. 20:50 It's a reflection of truth, and it shows 20:55 what has been believed by Protestants for a long time. 21:00 And I believe it's still true today 21:04 because it's right in the Word of God. 21:07 That's... 21:08 I mean, you have several fascinating quotes there. 21:11 And I want to ask you this 21:13 because I'm sure 21:14 it's in the minds of some people. 21:17 Different efforts have been made to find 666 21:21 with other people's name. 21:22 Is it possible that somebody else's name 21:25 could or title could come up to a sum of 666? 21:31 Yes, I'm sure there is. 21:33 I think we've mentioned this briefly. 21:35 And my book deals 21:37 with nine different alternative views 21:39 and that's one of them 21:40 that other people's names can add up to 666. 21:44 But the fact is, 21:47 that in order for a person's name 21:50 to be a biblical candidate, 21:53 to fulfill Revelation 13:18, 21:56 all the other characteristics have to come together, 22:01 they have to go in the right direction, 22:02 they have to identify the right beast, 22:05 and the right man, and the right name. 22:07 And all these other views, 22:10 they're really smokescreens to point people away 22:14 from the biblical facts. 22:16 So then... 22:18 I'm glad you said that. 22:19 That's why I asked 22:21 because I knew you were going to say something similar 22:22 because that's one characteristic. 22:25 There are others that focus in 22:28 and exactly fits the Roman Catholic Church. 22:33 So it's not just one characteristic, 22:35 there are... 22:37 Would you say how many, 10, 15 characteristics 22:40 that all zero and all point in the same direction? 22:43 That's right, from Daniel 7, from 2 Thessalonians 2, 22:46 from Revelation 17 and from Revelation 13. 22:50 That's right. 22:51 Now, I want to tell you a little story. 22:52 Yes. 22:54 As I was getting ready for this book 22:56 to go to the printer, 22:59 I was doing research. 23:01 And I discovered that there was a document 23:05 that was slated to be printed 23:08 in the 1940s actually, 23:11 our own church created a committee 23:16 called the 666 Committee, to study this issue, 23:19 to study Vicarius Filii Dei, 23:20 and whether this was valid, and history et cetera. 23:23 And these were scholars, 23:25 and they came up with a document 23:27 called The Number of the Beast. 23:29 And I found out that that document was voted 23:34 and slated to be published in the 1940s 23:38 and distributed around the world 23:40 with this information 23:41 but somehow the devil got his foot in there, 23:45 and it never got printed. 23:48 And I was able, in the providence of God... 23:51 I don't have time to tell you all the story now, 23:54 but I was able to get hold of that document. 23:56 And I got it, I squeezed it into the back of my book 24:01 as the appendix, 24:02 right before the book went to press 24:06 that has that summary of that document. 24:09 And I'd like to just read a couple things from it 24:12 because this is so powerful and people need to have this. 24:15 And this is all in the back of my little book here. 24:18 It's called Summary of Findings. 24:20 It says, "After the brief telescopic survey 24:22 of historical evidence on the donation of Constantine 24:25 bearing the title Vicarius Filii Dei in its bosom 24:27 through 12 centuries. 24:30 All the way down, the stream of time 24:31 that we may revert 24:33 to a more definite consideration 24:34 of that title itself, 24:36 bearing in mind 24:37 that the title is always retained 24:38 in The Donation of Constantine 24:40 wherever the document is recorded or used or cited. 24:42 And here's a brief summary of our findings 24:44 about this donation. 24:46 Number one, 24:47 Constantine's Donation was composed 24:48 between 752 and 774. 24:51 Number two, it was quoted by Charlemagne, 24:53 to Charlemagne by Pope Hadrian in 778. 24:57 Number three, it became a part of the False Decretals 24:59 forged about 844 to 850. 25:04 And number four, it was incorporated 25:05 into Gratian's Decretum about 1148, 25:08 which became the basis of Roman Catholic law. 25:13 Number five, it became an integral part 25:16 along with the Decretum of the Corpus Juris Canonici, 25:20 which was an official Canonical Compendium and textbook 25:24 of the Catholic Church in the 1500s, 25:26 and it was published up to 1879. 25:29 Number six, it is included 25:30 in Ferraris Monumental Ecclesiastical Dictionary, 25:33 revised up to the year 1890 25:35 and published by the Vatican in Rome. 25:37 Point number seven, the canonists, apologists, 25:40 bishops, popes, universities, 25:42 and the whole clergy of the Catholic Church 25:45 have successively used the Donation, 25:48 the False Decretals, the Decretum, 25:50 and the Corpus Juris Canonici in order to establish 25:53 the claims of the hierarchy 25:55 and the supremacy of the pope throughout the centuries. 25:59 There is no shadow of discoverable evidence, 26:01 and there's no claim 26:02 that the papacy has ever disowned, 26:04 formally or otherwise, a single assumption found 26:07 in these fundamental documents." 26:09 And the evidence goes on, 26:11 that that title put in The Donation of Constantine 26:15 was used by the Catholic Church 26:17 to build up the Catholic Empire 26:21 in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. 26:23 So I'm so thankful, John, that I was able to... 26:26 The Lord led me to find that document. 26:29 Maybe we could just put 26:31 a picture of that on the screen. 26:32 I think we have just a quick picture, 26:33 you won't be able to read it 26:35 but it says, it's called the number of the beast. 26:36 There's a foreword, and if you want to get my book. 26:40 That document came out in 1943, 26:43 and never saw the light of day until now. 26:47 It's in a major way in the back of this book. 26:50 It's been... 26:51 It's gotten out in a few places, 26:53 but nothing significant 26:54 as far as it getting any major attention. 26:58 But that document is in the back of my 666 book, 27:02 and I believe that the Lord had His hand all over this. 27:05 Just like God worked it out for me 27:07 to get one ticket on that Delta flight 27:09 at 6 o'clock in the morning 27:11 when all my Alaska flights were canceled to get here. 27:14 I believe that God also led to get this information 27:17 in the back of this book 27:18 because people need to know this 27:20 because there's a lot... 27:21 You know, many eyes are looking at this topic 27:23 from many different perspectives. 27:24 And there's a lot of different varying views, 27:26 and I'm aware of those views. 27:27 But I'm convinced that there is solid, 27:30 historical, credible evidence 27:33 that Vicarius Filii Dei is that name, 27:37 the title that calculates out to 666. 27:41 That is the perfect fulfillment of Bible prophecy. 27:44 And all other alternatives, 27:46 when you really closely examined them, 27:49 they break down. 27:52 I have a question for you. 27:53 But first, I'd like to say this 27:54 because there may be people that are joining us now, 27:56 wondering why you cannot bring in your question. 28:01 The plan for 3ABN was to broadcast 28:04 this two-hour program live 28:07 so that you can have a chance 28:09 to bring in your comments and your questions. 28:10 However, we had to pre-record this program 28:14 because of a storm, 28:18 winter storm that was just... 28:21 It's heading our way, 28:25 and we're recording this program 28:26 prior to the original live broadcast time 28:29 because the weather is going to be so bad 28:32 and we want our 3ABN family workers 28:34 to be able to get home safely. 28:36 And this is why this is a pre-recorded program. 28:39 However, the information you are hearing 28:42 is such that you should study 28:46 and share with others. 28:48 And once again, at the end of the program, 28:50 we're going to share contact information 28:52 so that you know how to get your copy of the book 28:56 written by Pastor Steve Wohlberg, 28:58 ton of information here and references 29:03 so that you can continue the study. 29:06 And surely, I'm sure you could have made 29:08 an even longer book but you're trying... 29:10 You've made it simple for people to understand. 29:13 And that's part of your plan 29:16 to make a book easy to understand 29:19 that people can get the information they need, 29:22 clarity on it, to eliminate all the confusion out there 29:26 about the 666. 29:28 Now, my question to you is 29:30 I understand that the Catholic Church has tried 29:34 to refute the idea 29:38 that Vicarius Filii Dei is, 29:43 was the title used by the popes. 29:46 Now, you already shared information about this 29:49 but is this true, have they tried to downplay 29:55 the Vicarius Filii Dei? 29:57 Oh, yes, they have. 29:58 And let me also say that it wouldn't surprise me, 30:01 it's not impossible 30:02 that the devil created this storm 30:05 to hit St. Louis and 3ABN right at this time 30:10 to try to stop this program 30:11 because I tell you this is monumental information 30:16 that is of global significance. 30:17 So I'm not sure that's what happened 30:19 but it's not impossible. 30:21 I tell you, Satan hates this truth. 30:23 And yes, 30:25 the Catholic Church has fought against this view. 30:29 The Vicarius Filii Dei interpretation 30:31 of Revelation 13:18 30:34 has become, in history, 30:36 the number one interpretation, 30:40 the dominant Protestant interpretation of this text 30:43 more than any other view in history, 30:45 and the Catholic Church has countered this. 30:47 And there's a lot of information 30:49 in my book about this battle. 30:51 There's a chapter called The Beast Fights Back. 30:52 And one of the ways 30:54 that the Catholic Church is fighting this 30:56 is with what I call the miter diversion. 31:00 And there were a number 31:02 of apparent eyewitnesses reports in the past, 31:06 where people said they saw Vicarius Filii Dei 31:08 on the papal tiara, 31:10 but nobody's ever found those to this date. 31:13 And so the Catholic Church uses this 31:15 and they say that "Protestants say 31:18 it's on the miter or the tiara. 31:20 We've never found that, 31:21 or they've never produced proof of this. 31:24 And that's proof 31:25 that the whole interpretation is bunk." 31:29 But that is just a smokescreen. 31:31 And the document that's at the end of my book 31:33 makes it very clear 31:34 that whether it was or wasn't on a miter or a tiara 31:37 in the past of the Catholic God leaders 31:40 that's irrelevant. 31:41 It's irrelevant. 31:43 The real issue is 31:44 does it fulfill biblical prophecy? 31:46 And the prophecy doesn't say it has to be here or there. 31:49 The prophecy just says, 31:51 "It's a real name that calculates out to 666." 31:55 And you've present the quotes, a book by John Paul II as well, 32:00 where he uses that title. 32:02 That title of vicar. 32:03 Vicar of the... Son of God. 32:05 And so, yes, this is vital information. 32:08 And we hope you are being blessed 32:09 and writing this down. 32:11 Again, it's in the book, you can continue reading it 32:14 and studying it. 32:17 This is just one, we want to repeat that. 32:19 This is just one 32:20 of the identifying characteristics 32:23 of what the beast power is. 32:25 That's right. 32:27 So can you give a quick summary 32:29 because we still want to hear about how do you get victory? 32:34 Yes, what it means to us? Yes. 32:36 All right. So when you say summary... 32:38 A quick summary of the characteristics 32:40 or some of them 32:41 so that people will see that 32:43 this is not just one isolated characteristic. 32:45 Well, in Revelation 13, 32:47 it gives a list of this summary. 32:48 It says that the beast would sit 32:49 on the seat of the dragon, 32:51 which was the Roman Empire. 32:52 It would have a mouth speaking great things. 32:53 It would have worldwide influence. 32:55 It would make war on the saints. 32:56 And then compare those to Daniel 7, 32:58 it would be like a horn 33:00 that would come out of the Roman Empire. 33:02 And when you put all these pieces together, 33:04 as I mentioned, Protestant scholars 33:06 and theologians pinpointed the papal system 33:11 centered in the authority of the pope. 33:13 And then Helwig in 1600, 1612, 1630, studied this and proposed 33:19 if Vicarius Filii Dei was the perfect fulfillment. 33:22 That interpretation took hold in Protestantism 33:27 for hundreds of years 33:28 and became the dominant view, 33:30 and now it's being challenged by the Catholic Church. 33:33 If you google this online, 33:35 you'll find lots of websites and articles 33:37 where the Catholic Church makes fun of this 33:38 and says, "This is ridiculous" 33:40 because they say, "It's on the miter. 33:41 We've never found a miter. 33:43 We've never found a tiara with it on it. 33:44 So the whole thing is false." 33:47 And yet when you look at the facts, 33:48 the facts of history bear this out. 33:50 And my conviction is that as we get closer 33:52 to the end of Revelation 13, 33:54 God wants us to be very clear 33:56 on this final identifying characteristic 34:01 of the beast power 34:03 that will deceive the world in the end times. 34:06 Now, let's go to the practical issue 34:08 because this is where we've got to get to this. 34:11 Revelation Chapter 15, and we read this verse, 34:15 but we'll read it again, in verse 2. 34:18 John saw a group of people. 34:20 He saw a sea of glass mingled with fire 34:22 and then that had gotten the victory 34:24 over the beast, which is the biblical beast 34:27 described in Revelation 13 over his image, 34:29 which is described in the latter part 34:31 of Revelation 13, and over his mark, 34:34 which is mentioned at the end of Revelation 13 34:36 or near the end, 34:38 and over the number of his name, 34:42 standing on the sea of glass having the harps of God. 34:44 So this verse says that we need to get the victory 34:48 over the beast, the image, the mark, 34:51 and the number of his name. 34:52 Now people think, well... 34:54 A friend of mine asked me this. 34:55 He said, "Steve, I've asked many people, 34:57 how does... 34:58 What does that mean? 35:00 How do we get the victory over the number 35:03 of the name of the beast? 35:05 Does that simply mean that we need to learn 35:07 how to correctly calculate Vicarius Filii Dei 35:12 to the number 666, 35:15 or does it mean more than that?" 35:17 And I'm convinced it means more. 35:20 And let me just quickly lead you 35:22 into a little sequence here. 35:24 If you go back to 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2... 35:27 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2? 35:29 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2, 35:32 we discover 35:34 that the fundamental characteristic 35:39 of the beast itself, 35:42 and the man at the head is self exaltation. 35:47 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 35:49 Paul warned the early believers. 35:51 "Let no man deceive you by any means for that day," 35:55 referring to the day when Jesus will come, 35:58 "will not come 35:59 except there come a falling away," 36:01 which means an apostasy. 36:02 The Greek word is apostasia. 36:04 "There would be an apostasy first, 36:06 and that man of sin would be revealed, 36:11 the son of perdition." 36:12 And that man of sin goes back to Daniel 7, 36:15 where the little horn would have eyes 36:17 like the eyes of a man 36:19 and a mouth speaking great things. 36:21 So here's this man of sin, the son of perdition. 36:23 Verse 4 says, "He opposes and he exalts himself 36:29 above all that is called God or that is worshiped, 36:33 so that he as God would sit in the temple of God, 36:39 which is the church, 36:41 showing himself that he is God." 36:46 So this tells us 36:48 that the root character of this man of sin, 36:52 which is the same as the little horn, 36:54 which is the same as the beast, 36:55 with the mouth speaking great things, 36:57 is self-exaltation and pride. 37:02 And I've got a quote I want to put. 37:03 Have the guys put this graphic on the screen from Ferraris, 37:07 which was a Monumental Catholic Encyclopedia. 37:12 And here is this quote, and the date there is 1858. 37:18 And it's an article 37:19 called concerning the extent of people dignity, 37:23 authority and... 37:25 Or dominion and infallibility 37:27 from Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica. 37:30 Yes. 37:31 It's a little hard for me to read it, but you got it. 37:32 Now, here's the quote. 37:34 It says, "The pope is of so great dignity and exalted 37:37 that he is not a mere man but as it were God, 37:42 and the vicar of God. 37:44 The pope alone is called most holy. 37:47 Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, 37:50 as king of heaven and of earth and of hell. 37:54 Now, you know, that is astonishing. 37:58 And that quote from a very well-known respected 38:03 Roman Catholic Encyclopedia in a dictionary 38:08 and theological work and canon law work, et cetera. 38:12 That identifies their view of the power of the pope 38:17 that he is not a mere man. 38:20 That he is, as it were God on Earth, 38:24 which John is a perfect fulfillment 38:27 of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that he would oppose 38:31 and exalt himself above all that is called God, 38:35 or that is worship. 38:37 So he would sit as a God. 38:40 And so we have the prediction from the Bible, 38:43 we have the quote from the Catholic Church, 38:45 we have the authority of the pope, 38:47 they fit together like a lock and a key, 38:49 and they also reveal that the characteristic, 38:53 the biblical characteristic of this power 38:56 is self-exaltation. 38:59 And as I've studied this and pondered this, 39:02 you know, name in the Book of Revelation, 39:04 as I mentioned, can refer to title. 39:06 It also refers to character. 39:08 It describes in Revelation 14:1 39:10 about how God's final people have the name of God 39:14 in their foreheads, 39:15 which represents his character. 39:18 In Exodus 34, 39:19 God revealed His character to Moses, 39:22 and it says, "He revealed His name." 39:25 And then He said, His name was merciful, 39:27 gracious, longsuffering, abundant 39:29 and goodness and truth, 39:31 another things showing that name is character. 39:33 So in Revelation, 39:35 when it talks about people getting the victory 39:37 over the number of its name, 39:39 when you look at this power, the beast, the image, 39:42 the mark, the number of his name, 39:44 Vicarius Filii Dei, it's really a reflection 39:48 of self-exaltation above the Word 39:54 and the will of God. 39:56 And the question is, 39:57 is that a struggle 39:59 that is only reflected in Catholicism 40:02 and in the name of the pope? 40:04 Or is that a struggle that every single human being 40:09 from the fall of Adam and Eve, all the way down to today, 40:14 is that something that we all have to struggle with, 40:18 and overcome through the Lamb, 40:23 who is Jesus Christ? 40:25 Everybody faces that challenge, you know, even the disciples. 40:30 As Jesus was heading to Calvary, 40:34 they wanted to be number one, 40:35 they wanted to be next to Jesus. 40:37 It's a challenge for people. 40:38 That's right. 40:40 And there was a time in my life 40:41 when I went through a number of real struggles, 40:43 dark days. 40:45 And in those days, 40:46 the Holy Spirit led me to study pride. 40:50 And I studied Lucifer's pride where it says, 40:53 "His heart was lifted up." 40:56 And then I looked at the pride down throughout history, 40:59 the pride of Israel. 41:00 Israel exalted itself. 41:02 And you look at the pride of the Pharisees, 41:04 you know, the Pharisee who prayed, 41:06 "God, I thank you that I'm not like other men." 41:08 And you look at the pride of Assyria, 41:10 the pride of Babylon in Revelation 18, 41:13 that says, "I sit as a queen, 41:15 and I'm no widow, and shall see no sorrow." 41:17 And you look at the pride of the beast, 41:18 the pride of the popes, 41:20 and you look at the pride of Laodicea, 41:23 which is Jesus' last church in Revelation 3:14-22, 41:28 that says in her heart, 41:30 "I am rich and increased with goods 41:32 and in need of nothing." 41:34 But you don't realize you're wretched, 41:35 miserable, poor, blind and naked. 41:37 And so the theme of pride 41:40 as a threat is from Genesis to Revelation. 41:45 And it's a fundamental characteristic of the beast, 41:49 and it's a struggle that we all have. 41:53 My conclusion is that the pride of the papacy 41:57 and the pride of the pope, 41:59 and the pride of the title, Vicarius Filii Dei, 42:02 I represent God on Earth 42:04 is actually a reflection of the pride of humanity, 42:09 which goes back to the devil, 42:11 which is a battle 42:13 that every single one of us must fight. 42:18 And Revelation 15:2 says, "God's going to have people 42:21 who get the victory over the beast, 42:25 his image, his mark, 42:27 and over the number of his name." 42:29 And I've concluded that I, Steve Wohlberg, 42:33 need to get the victory over the pride of the devil, 42:39 which is in my own heart that I have to fight. 42:43 You know in a way, we all have a little pope 42:45 inside of us that wants to exalt self, 42:48 and not do the will of God. 42:50 You know, John, I know you're about to ask something, 42:53 but this is important. 42:55 Some time ago, 42:56 the Holy Spirit really convicted me 42:59 that this was Lucifer's dividing issue. 43:04 That before he got kicked out of heaven, 43:06 God showed him his error. 43:09 And he had a chance to come back, 43:12 but his pride held him back. 43:17 And so when I'm fighting pride, 43:20 when I'm fighting some decision, 43:22 you know, that God's leading me this direction, 43:24 and I want to go this direction, 43:26 then I'm fighting one-on-one, 43:29 you know, head-to-head with the devil and his angels. 43:32 And Satan is trying to impress me 43:35 to do what he did, 43:36 which is not humble myself. 43:38 And when I choose to humble myself before God, 43:42 to follow Jesus and follow the Bible 43:45 instead of following my own way, 43:47 I am directly in engaged with the devil himself, 43:52 and I'm choosing to not do what he did 43:56 and to humble myself so I can prepare for heaven. 44:01 And there's so much in the Bible. 44:03 Jesus said, "He who exalts himself 44:04 will be humbled, 44:05 he who humbles himself will be exalted." 44:07 Maybe we should just show you, we have a picture on the screen 44:10 of the pope on one side and Jesus on the other. 44:14 On the right side, you'll see 44:16 the pope sitting on a white throne, 44:19 which is what the Bible says about God. 44:20 God sits on a great white throne 44:21 in Revelation 20. 44:23 And He's got angels, golden angels on both sides, 44:25 which is what the Bible says about God. 44:27 That He sits on his throne between the cherubim. 44:30 And here's a man sitting on a great white throne, 44:34 which is reflecting Satan's goal 44:36 to sit on the throne of God. 44:39 He's dressed in white in that picture. 44:40 That's right. 44:42 And then on the other side, 44:43 you have Jesus Christ hanging on the cross 44:46 almost naked 44:48 with the crown of thorns on His head. 44:50 And He is suffering and agonizing 44:53 and dying for the sins of the whole world, 44:56 including the sins of popes and Catholics and Protestants, 44:59 and witches and heavy metal rock and rollers, 45:04 and atheists and agnostics, 45:06 Republicans, Democrats, everybody. 45:09 He's dying for us all to pay the price of sin 45:15 and its pride. 45:17 And the evils that has come into this world, 45:21 and Jesus is doing all this for you and for me. 45:24 He's showing the ultimate humility, 45:27 the ultimate sacrifice, 45:29 the ultimate expression of humble love 45:33 to reach our hearts 45:36 and to get us out from the pride of the devil 45:40 and the pride of man, 45:41 and to lead us to get on our knees, 45:43 humble ourselves 45:44 and say, "God be merciful to me, 45:46 a sinner. 45:47 Give me by your grace the free gift of salvation. 45:51 Deliver me from all of this evil 45:55 and help me to be like Christ." 45:58 That's what it's all about. 45:59 And that's what this ultimate, this 666 issue. 46:04 It's not just history, prophecy, Latin titles, 46:08 calculations, charts. 46:10 It's also a window 46:14 into the battle that we all face, 46:17 and we need to be on the side of the Lamb 46:21 in the final crisis in order to avoid the beast, 46:25 the image, the mark, the number of its name. 46:28 God wants us to be on the side of the Lamb, 46:31 and that's what it's all about. 46:32 And I'm just... I'm so... 46:34 I praise the Lord 46:35 that I have a chance to share this on 3ABN 46:37 and to help people to understand this big issue. 46:42 Thank you so much. 46:43 You've put a lot of study into this. 46:45 You have great concern 46:47 and your hope and desire as people read the book, 46:53 how would you summarize that? 46:56 Well, my hope and desire is that, 47:01 and I believe God brought me here 47:02 in the midst of the storm. 47:04 And my hope is that Jesus would be lifted up, 47:08 His truth would be lifted up, 47:09 that people would understand that the power 47:13 that will ultimately deceive the world 47:15 is described in Revelation 13. 47:18 That it is represented by one man, 47:21 the pope, 47:23 and that the world is looking to this man 47:26 as the voice of God 47:28 to point humanity in the right direction, 47:30 which will ultimately lead to the final delusion 47:33 and the enforcement of the mark of the beast. 47:37 And that we would then understand 47:39 that the root issue is in our own hearts, 47:43 and that we need to humble ourselves. 47:44 Jesus said... 47:46 One of my favorite verses is Matthew 11:28-29, 47:50 where Jesus said, 47:52 "Come to me all you that labor and are heavy laden, 47:56 and I will give you rest. 47:58 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me." 48:01 He said, "For I am meek and lowly in heart, 48:05 and you will find rest for your souls." 48:08 Amen. 48:09 So there you've got the pride of the beast 48:11 versus the humility of the Lamb. 48:12 And if we want to find rest and peace and happiness, 48:16 you know, we go down. 48:18 The lower we go in humility and humbling ourselves, 48:22 the more the Lord is going to lift us up, 48:24 and change our lives 48:26 and give us peace and happiness and rest of soul. 48:29 In Revelation 14, it says, 48:30 "They have no rest day or night, 48:32 who worship the beast and his image 48:34 and whoever gets the mark." 48:35 So there's no rest. 48:36 Christ is offering us rest and we need that rest. 48:39 We need that peace. 48:40 Everybody needs to have peace. 48:42 And in the Catholic Church, you know, 48:43 when I saw those old women climbing up those stairs 48:45 on their knees, 48:46 you know, they didn't have rest. 48:48 In the Catholic Church 48:50 the people are experiencing the tyranny 48:52 of papal demands, 48:54 and they have no peace. 48:56 And they don't know, 48:57 they don't have to go 48:58 through the pope and the priests 49:00 and they don't have to do these things. 49:01 They can go directly to the Father, 49:03 through Jesus Christ, 49:04 and that's what the reformation is all about. 49:05 That's what our movement is about, 49:07 is to point people to the Bible, 49:08 to Christ, to the truth to the three angels' messages. 49:12 And I believe this is a truth, whose time has come. 49:16 So my hope is that God will bless this program, 49:18 open a lot of people eyes. 49:19 Of course, as an author, 49:21 you know I'd love to see lots of people get this book. 49:22 The price is just a few dollars. 49:25 One ministry ordered seven cases 49:27 to sell and giveaway. 49:29 We've made it very affordable 49:31 because we want to get the information out 49:35 as easily as possible. 49:38 So how can people get copies of this book? 49:41 What's the contact information for getting the books? 49:46 Well, they can get it from White Horse Media. 49:49 Maybe we can put that up on the screen. 49:51 So we have whitehorsemedia.com Yes, we have our... 49:53 Yeah, whitehorsemedia.com 49:55 and we have a phone number as well. 49:57 We have a toll free number, an 800 number. 50:00 People can call that number, I think. 50:01 I guess they'll put it up in a little while. 50:03 Oh there it is. 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Jesus's everything. 52:04 He's on the throne. He's coming. 52:06 We want to get out of the way and let the Lord use us, 52:10 and it's a privilege and a blessing. 52:14 Pastor Wohlberg, I'm thinking of the people 52:17 that were or are Catholics that may be watching 52:22 or listening to this program. 52:25 After hearing this, it's shocking, very shocking. 52:27 I know. 52:28 And what do you do now, 52:30 you know, maybe members of the Catholic Church 52:32 for 10, 20, 30, 40 years a lifetime? 52:36 What can you tell them to encourage them? 52:38 What would be their next step? 52:39 What should... 52:41 What is your recommendation for them? 52:43 Would you look at the camera and speak to their hearts? 52:47 Yeah. 52:49 Well, I speak of this in seminars. 52:52 I've done this for years. 52:53 And I remember one time, I believe I was in Texas 52:56 and a lady was coming to my meetings. 52:57 She was Catholic. 52:58 And as I went down through some of these truths, 53:02 she came up to me after that meeting, 53:06 and she said... I'll never forget that. 53:08 She said, "I'm free. 53:10 Now I'm free." 53:12 And I was so happy about that 53:14 because now she knew that Jesus loved her. 53:16 She could be saved by the grace of God. 53:19 She could open her heart for the gift of salvation. 53:21 She didn't have to do all these penance things 53:24 and all the Hail Mary's. 53:26 She didn't have to go through the confessions. 53:29 She could just get on her knees and accept Jesus as her Savior, 53:32 and that's why we're doing this. 53:33 We want this to help you. 53:35 So we just encourage you to look at this information. 53:39 Look at your Bible 53:40 and come directly to God through Jesus Christ. 53:43 Come directly to Him 53:44 and ask Him to forgive your sins, 53:46 to come into your life, 53:47 to give you the gift of salvation, 53:49 and to help you 53:50 to develop a character like Christ, 53:52 a humble character, and to stand up for the Bible. 53:55 And that's what our ministry is about. 53:57 That's what we're here to do so we want that for you. 54:02 Just like it's been a blessing to us, 54:04 we want that blessing to happen in your life as well. 54:08 Pastor Wohlberg, I'm going to ask you, 54:10 if you would please have prayer for all the people 54:12 that are hearing this and now they're shocked 54:14 and they don't know what to do. 54:16 And thank you so much for presenting 54:18 that appeal in that story, 54:20 which helps people understand they can have that freedom 54:23 and that liberty that you mentioned. 54:24 But can you have a prayer for them, 54:26 so that the Lord will help them and guide them 54:28 through this process? 54:29 Of course. 54:31 Heavenly Father, I'm so grateful 54:32 for the chance to be here at 3ABN 54:34 and to share this information, the truth of the Bible, 54:38 the truth of Jesus, 54:40 the Lamb who suffered on the cross 54:42 for all of our sins, 54:43 who loves us so much, 54:45 no matter who we are and what we've done. 54:48 And, Lord, we just pray that you... 54:49 I pray for the viewers that You will help them 54:52 to fix their faith in You. 54:55 And then we will all be forgiven 54:57 and our hearts changed by the Holy Spirit. 54:59 We'll become more like Jesus. 55:01 We'll be on the side of the Lamb 55:03 and that we'll be ready for the final crisis, 55:06 and for the great day 55:07 when Jesus will come down from the clouds 55:10 to take us to a better land. 55:12 Lord, may that day come soon in Jesus' name, amen. 55:16 Amen. 55:18 Well, Pastor Wohlberg, we want to thank you for coming 55:21 to 3ABN to share this information. 55:23 Once again, Pastor Wohlberg is an author over 40 books, 55:28 and is a person that has in his heart 55:30 the desire to see people come to Jesus. 55:33 That's why he preaches on television, 55:36 preaches on the radio and writes these books 55:38 so that people can be enlightened 55:40 to know what the truth of God's Word is. 55:43 And this has been presented with a desire 55:46 that you too will see the truth as it is in Jesus 55:50 and that the Bible has a message for us 55:52 for these times that we are living in. 55:54 We are living in difficult times, 55:56 and we are living in challenging times 55:58 and it's going to get more difficult. 55:59 Would you say that's true, Pastor Wohlberg? 56:01 It's going to get more difficult 56:02 as time goes on? 56:04 Yeah, no question. 56:05 We're heading toward a time of trouble 56:06 such as never was. 56:08 Daniel 12:1 says that. 56:09 But the good news is that God is bigger 56:11 than all of our troubles, 56:12 and all of the forces of the devil, 56:15 and He can bring us through all the way 56:17 if we just continue to trust in Him no matter what. 56:20 Amen. 56:21 And as you've heard on 3ABN, 56:23 the back of the book says that God's people win. 56:25 So we encourage you to... 56:27 If you have any questions, 56:29 you can contact Pastor Wohlberg. 56:31 The books are available 56:32 so that you can distribute to others at a price 56:35 that is very, very affordable. 56:37 So we encourage you to write to them and call them 56:40 so that you can have the material 56:41 share with others. 56:42 This is a message that is needed for this time. 56:45 And we want to just encourage you 56:47 to pray for Pastor Wohlberg 56:48 and pray for the people that will receive these books 56:51 so that they will know that God is calling them 56:53 to make a decision 56:55 that will get them out of confusion 56:56 and into the light of God's way to heaven. 57:00 Thank you so much for joining us. 57:01 God bless you. 57:03 We'll see you next time on 3ABN Today. |
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