Hello, and welcome
back to the second hour.
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My name is John Dinzey.
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And we have Pastor
Steve Wohlberg with us,
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his most recent book,
The 666 Beast Identified,
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What It Means to You.
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And I encourage
you to get this book
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to get a very
excellent Bible study
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on Revelation 13.
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And what this beast is
and what it means to you.
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And so I want to
read a comment here
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on the back of the book
by Pastor Reinhardt Stander,
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"The 666 Beast
Identified is a must read
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for honest seekers for truth."
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So if you're seeking
for truth, this is a book
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that we can recommend
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that you may be
aware of what's going on
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because the Bible says
that we need to get victory
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over the beast,
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over his name and over the mark.
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And so, Pastor Wohlberg,
please give us a summary
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of the first hour?
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Yes. Thank you, John.
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And we've
covered a lot of ground
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and we've got a lot more to do.
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In the first
hour, we just summarized
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how Revelation 13:18
says, "Here's wisdom.
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Let him that has understanding
count the number of the beast,
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for it is the number of a
man and his number is 666."
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And we dissected this text,
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and then established
that we really need to know
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who the biblical beast is
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to get pointed in
the right direction
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so we're not
following rabbit trails,
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and then we did that.
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We looked at
Revelation 13, Daniel 7,
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put the pieces together
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and show that the Protestant
understanding of the Bible
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and of history is
that this beast is a symbol
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of the worldwide Roman
Catholic Church system,
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centered in the Vatican
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and in the
authority of one person,
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who is the pope,
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who is actually
as we've discussed
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is really the number
one influential politician
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on planet Earth.
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He's influencing
people around the world
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so we need to look at this.
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And again, I mentioned this
in the last program of part one
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that we're not talking about
Roman Catholic people per se.
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We're talking about the system
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and about the
authority of the pope.
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Now, let's go on.
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We got a lot to do.
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I have a
question, Pastor Wohlberg,
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before you continue
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because, you know, we
talked about Martin Luther.
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And he was a
Roman Catholic priest.
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And he was sorrowful
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and shed probably many tears
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after he saw in the Bible
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that the Antichrist
power was his own church,
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the church he was a member of.
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And I'm asking this question
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on behalf of the Roman Catholics
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that are watching or
listening to this program.
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To them it's a shock.
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How could this be?
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Probably confusion,
tears, how can this be?
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So what would you say to
a Roman Catholic watching,
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listening to this program,
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about what they've
heard and what they will hear?
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Can you give us some words
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that will
encourage them to understand
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what they should be considering?
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You know, first of
all, my first word of advice
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is to recognize that
we're not against them,
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at 3ABN or White Horse Media.
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We're not against people.
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But we do need to look
at the system of Catholicism
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because people who grew up
in the Roman Catholic Church,
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they have been taught
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that they have
to do certain things
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in order to get to heaven.
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I visited Rome once and
I was in a certain church
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and I saw, from
the top of the stairs,
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I saw old women
climbing up those stairs
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on their knees,
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trying to earn the favor of God.
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And that's wrong,
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and that's what
Catholicism teaches,
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is that people have to do
all these different things
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and get to God
through the church
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and through the pope,
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in order to have peace
and assurance of heaven.
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I don't believe
that. I think that's wrong.
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That's not what the Bible says.
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And that's what the
reformation is all about,
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is pointing people
away from tradition
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and pointing
them to Jesus Christ,
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to His love, to the gospel,
to His death on the cross,
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and to the gift
that He offers them
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of eternal life.
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So my advice is to
just have an open mind
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and be willing to study this.
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And the ultimate goal is
to deepen your relationship
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with your Savior
Jesus Christ, who loves you.
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Thank you very much.
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Well, we've mentioned this book,
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The 666 Beast Identified,
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What It Means to You,
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written by
Pastor Steve Wohlberg.
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To get this book,
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you should contact
whitehorsemedia.com
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And we will be
sharing information
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at the end of the program
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so that you have what
you need to contact them
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to get this book,
and it's very affordable.
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Yeah, it's only a few dollars.
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So, Pastor
Wohlberg, please take us in,
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by God's grace clarify
what we need to understand?
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Yes.
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Back to Revelation 13:17,
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says that this number,
which calculates out to 666
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is also the number of his name.
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That's a critical point.
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It says the same
thing in Revelation 15:2
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that we get the
victory over the beast,
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the image, his mark,
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and over the number of his name.
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So we need to have
wisdom and understanding.
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We need to know
who the beast is.
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We need to know who its man is,
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and we need to know that
we need to look for a name,
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a specific name.
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And then we need to look
at the number of that name,
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which calculates out to 666.
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It's a very tight package
here that we have in Scripture.
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Now, let me quickly
give you a little key point.
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In Revelation 19:16,
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when Jesus comes
on the white horse,
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it says in verse 16,
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that "He has on His
robe and on His thigh a name,
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a name written:
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King of kings
and Lord of lords."
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So we're looking for
the name of the beast,
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which calculates out to 666.
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And this verse talks
about the name of Jesus,
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and His name in this verse
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is King of kings
and Lord of lords,
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which is actually a title.
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Yes.
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So this proves
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and there's other
verses have proved
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that in the Book of Revelation,
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a name can also mean a title.
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Okay, good. That's a key point.
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That's a key
point. That's a key point.
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That's right.
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Now, there is one name
that we're going to look at.
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And we can actually put
the graphic on the screen
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Vicarius Filii Dei.
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We can, there's a name
that we're going to focus on,
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and the name
right there is a Latin.
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And Vicarius is a
Latin word for substitute for
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or that he's the vicar of,
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and Filii is son and Dei is God.
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And so the full
phrase Vicarius Filii Dei
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is a Latin three
word phrase that means
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that the pope is the
Vicar of the Son of God
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or he's the substitute
of the Son of God on Earth.
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And you and I've
talked about this,
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that when people
think of the pope,
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what gives him his
authority is that people think,
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millions of people think
that he is the representative
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and the voice of
Jesus Christ on Earth.
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That's what that title means.
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And so we're
going to dissect this
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and we're going to see
if this, actually, fits out
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and whether it
calculates out to 666.
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Now before...
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Yes, this is one of the
main titles of the pope.
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And the word pope itself,
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can you tell us
again what that means?
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Yes, the pope
literally means the Papa.
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He's also
called the Holy Father.
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He's called His Holiness
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referring to
the Holiness of God.
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He has an aura of authority
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that has been
given to no other man.
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That's right.
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And again, one of those
titles is Vicarius Filii Dei,
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which is a Latin title.
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Now, let me talk about Latin.
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If you go to John 19:18-20,
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this is a key text for me.
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John 19:18-20 talks about
when they crucified Jesus,
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two others with Him,
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one on one side
and Jesus in the midst.
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There were two
thieves in the middle of...
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Two thieves on the outside
and Jesus was in the middle.
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And then it says, verse
19, that Pilate wrote a title.
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Notice the word title,
and he put it on the cross.
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There was a plaque
that was placed on the wood.
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And the writing of this plaque,
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it said, "This is
Jesus of Nazareth,
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the King of the Jews."
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So there's a title
that Pilate put there.
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And then it says in verse 20,
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this title was then read
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by many of the
Jews for the place
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where Jesus was
crucified was near to the city,
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which is Jerusalem
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and it was written
in three languages,
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in Hebrew, and Greek and Latin.
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So Latin is
mentioned in the Bible,
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and that title
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that was over the
head of Jesus Christ,
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the King of the Jews,
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was written in
these three languages.
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Now, Hebrew is the language
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that the Old Testament
was largely written in.
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And then Greek is the language
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that the New Testament
was largely written in.
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Now, Latin was
the language of Rome.
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It was the language
of the Roman Empire,
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and it became
the official language
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of the Roman Catholic Church,
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which is why for centuries,
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their masses were held in Latin,
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and many of their
documents were written in Latin.
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So Latin and
Catholicism go together,
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and Latin is
mentioned in the Bible.
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And really what happened,
if you look at history,
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was the Latin Church,
the Roman Catholic Church,
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eventually led Christianity away
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from the Hebrew Old Testament,
from the Greek New Testament.
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And it led
ultimately away from Salvation
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by faith in Jesus Christ,
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who hung upon the cross,
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who had that title over His head
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in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.
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Now, let me put a
quote from The Douay version
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at the Catholic Church.
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This is a quote...
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This is from one of
their official Bibles,
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The Douay version of
the Bible and it says...
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It's quoting Revelation
13:18. "Here is wisdom.
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He that hath understanding
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let him count the
number of the beast.
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For it is the number of a man,
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and the number of him
is six hundred sixty-six."
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So they've got the text there.
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And then it says,
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the footnote in
The Douay version
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on Revelation
13:18 reads as follows,
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"Six hundred and sixty-six,
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the numeral letters of his
name shall make up this number."
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To me, that's astonishing
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because this is a quote
right from the Catholic Bible,
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which shows that
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when you look at
the numerical value
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of the letters of the name,
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it's going to come out to
666, which is exactly right.
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It's exactly right.
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Now, let's put another picture,
which we call the 666 chart.
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And so let's put that up there
so we take the word Vicarius,
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and we look at
the numerical values,
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Roman numeral values.
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Now, some Roman
numerals have value
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and some don't.
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And when you add up
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the Roman numeral
value of Vicarius,
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which comes to 112 and
then Filii comes to 53,
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and then Dei 501.
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And you add, you
calculate and count,
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which is what the
Bible says we need to do.
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Count the number of the name,
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they come out to 666.
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For short there, it's 666,
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so we have a famous
Protestant calculation.
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And let me make
an important point
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and that is this that if
you look at church history,
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the slide of the
church into the Dark Ages,
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the Great Apostasy
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and then the rise
of the Reformation,
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which eventually
pointed the finger
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at the Roman
Catholic Church system
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as the little
horn and the beast,
00:12:47.36\00:12:49.46
and the woman in Revelation 17.
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Eventually, what
happened is post 1500s
00:12:52.27\00:12:56.87
as God's truth
continued to develop
00:12:56.94\00:12:59.64
in the minds of His people.
00:12:59.67\00:13:02.58
Eventually, they
started zeroing in
00:13:02.61\00:13:05.31
on Revelation 13:18,
00:13:05.35\00:13:08.48
which says,
"Let's count the number
00:13:08.52\00:13:11.52
of the name of the beast,
00:13:11.55\00:13:13.59
and it's going to
calculate out to 666."
00:13:13.66\00:13:17.26
And so the people
started focusing on this.
00:13:17.33\00:13:19.23
And there was a German
scholar, a Protestant scholar,
00:13:19.26\00:13:24.13
and his name was Andreas Helwig.
00:13:24.17\00:13:27.10
And as far as we know, in
the year 1600 post Luther,
00:13:27.14\00:13:32.51
he was the first
one, as far as we know,
00:13:32.54\00:13:35.51
who proposed that the
title, Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:13:35.54\00:13:40.08
which is a title,
00:13:40.12\00:13:41.72
as well as a name in
the light of Revelation 13,
00:13:41.75\00:13:44.85
a name is a title.
00:13:44.89\00:13:46.42
And he calculated it out,
and he came up with the answer,
00:13:46.45\00:13:51.73
which was 666 like that
chart that I put on the screen.
00:13:51.76\00:13:54.83
Now, there is a
picture of an actual photograph
00:13:54.86\00:13:59.40
of his document.
00:13:59.43\00:14:03.61
And he actually had one of them,
00:14:03.64\00:14:05.04
before his first
document came out in 1600,
00:14:05.07\00:14:07.08
the next one in 1612,
and the third one in 1630.
00:14:07.11\00:14:11.51
And there it is, right there
00:14:11.55\00:14:12.88
and the Latin is
translated in front of you.
00:14:12.91\00:14:15.75
And the title there, it says,
00:14:15.78\00:14:18.09
"This is about
the Roman Antichrist,
00:14:18.12\00:14:20.36
revealed by his own name,
00:14:20.39\00:14:22.39
and against the
glory and the authority
00:14:22.42\00:14:24.33
of our Lord Jesus
Christ, the Supreme
00:14:24.36\00:14:26.43
and only High
Priest of the Church.
00:14:26.46\00:14:28.50
This vaunted Vicarius
Filii Dei claims for himself
00:14:28.53\00:14:33.03
and imposes upon the world."
00:14:33.07\00:14:34.50
And what Helwig did if
you look at that closely,
00:14:34.54\00:14:36.67
he took the title
Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:14:36.71\00:14:39.24
and he capitalized the
letters that had numerical value
00:14:39.27\00:14:44.11
and the small letters
00:14:44.15\00:14:45.48
that don't have numerical value,
00:14:45.51\00:14:47.38
he made them small.
00:14:47.42\00:14:48.75
So what he did was...
00:14:48.78\00:14:50.89
And this was a 91-page document,
00:14:50.95\00:14:54.46
right on the
title of the document
00:14:58.09\00:15:01.06
and showed that when you...
00:15:01.10\00:15:03.37
There's some
values that are used,
00:15:03.40\00:15:05.87
and some have no value.
00:15:05.90\00:15:07.54
And he ingeniously put
all this into his title,
00:15:07.57\00:15:12.61
and then his document shows
00:15:12.64\00:15:14.64
that it counts or
calculates out to 666.
00:15:14.68\00:15:18.88
So this is not something
that Steve Wohlberg originated
00:15:18.91\00:15:22.12
or calculated himself.
00:15:22.15\00:15:24.52
You're going
back as far as 1630.
00:15:24.55\00:15:26.35
You've also showed in
the Catholic Bible version,
00:15:26.39\00:15:30.93
Douay version, it
has the same information.
00:15:30.96\00:15:33.80
That's right.
00:15:33.83\00:15:35.13
That's fascinating,
fascinating information.
00:15:35.16\00:15:36.50
Now, there's a lot
of history about...
00:15:36.53\00:15:38.53
This is the title for the pope
00:15:38.57\00:15:40.40
that was used
throughout history,
00:15:40.44\00:15:42.27
but apparently they don't use it
00:15:42.30\00:15:43.67
much anymore.
00:15:43.71\00:15:45.04
Yes, and there's
a reason for that.
00:15:45.07\00:15:46.41
And let's put another
picture on the screen,
00:15:46.44\00:15:49.08
which is the
donation of Constantine.
00:15:49.11\00:15:51.05
This is the infamous
donation of Constantine.
00:15:51.08\00:15:54.18
This document
surfaced in the mid 800s
00:15:54.22\00:15:58.22
or 700 and 8th century
00:15:58.25\00:16:01.52
and it was called The
Donation of Constantine.
00:16:01.56\00:16:03.56
You can see on the right
that it was written in Latin
00:16:03.59\00:16:06.56
and you can see
Vicarius Filii Dei
00:16:06.59\00:16:08.90
right there in this document.
00:16:08.93\00:16:11.77
It has an...
00:16:11.80\00:16:13.13
We don't know
exactly who wrote it,
00:16:13.17\00:16:14.84
most likely in
the Vatican Palace.
00:16:14.87\00:16:17.01
And it was incorporated
00:16:17.04\00:16:18.37
into official
Roman Catholic canon law.
00:16:18.41\00:16:20.68
It influenced
the European politics
00:16:20.71\00:16:22.51
for nearly 1000 years,
00:16:22.54\00:16:24.58
and it helped build
up the people empire.
00:16:24.61\00:16:27.72
Now, this was
actually a forged document
00:16:27.75\00:16:30.09
which later was proven.
00:16:30.12\00:16:32.75
But when it first came out,
nobody knew that it was forged.
00:16:32.79\00:16:36.09
And this document
00:16:36.12\00:16:37.96
was used by popes
00:16:37.99\00:16:42.46
to impress kings
and leaders in Europe
00:16:42.50\00:16:46.70
that the pope was
the Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:16:46.74\00:16:50.77
that he was the
representative of God on Earth.
00:16:50.81\00:16:54.24
And the idea was
that Constantine,
00:16:54.28\00:16:56.18
who was a great Roman
Emperor in the fourth century,
00:16:56.21\00:16:58.95
that when he
moved his government
00:16:58.98\00:17:01.02
from Rome to Constantinople,
00:17:01.05\00:17:03.65
to the East,
00:17:03.72\00:17:05.05
that he donated
Europe to the pope,
00:17:05.09\00:17:09.72
who was the Vicarius Filii Dei.
00:17:09.76\00:17:11.33
He was the
representative of God.
00:17:11.36\00:17:12.93
He was the
successor of St. Peter.
00:17:12.96\00:17:15.56
And so that's why it's called
The Donation of Constantine,
00:17:15.60\00:17:18.57
that the mighty Emperor,
00:17:18.60\00:17:21.44
who was quote, "The
first Christian emperor,"
00:17:21.47\00:17:24.31
who stopped
Christian persecution
00:17:24.34\00:17:26.44
or persecution
against the Christians
00:17:26.47\00:17:28.81
and helped build up
the Roman Catholic Church
00:17:28.84\00:17:31.48
that he donated Europe,
00:17:31.51\00:17:35.22
all of Europe and
his full authority.
00:17:35.25\00:17:38.75
He donated it to the pope,
00:17:38.79\00:17:41.59
and the papal
church used this document
00:17:41.62\00:17:46.53
to build up its empire in Europe
00:17:46.56\00:17:51.10
and to get the Papal States.
00:17:51.13\00:17:53.84
And the list just goes on and on
00:17:53.90\00:17:55.34
and it was used
for over 1000 years.
00:17:55.37\00:17:59.71
And the information
is inside this book.
00:17:59.74\00:18:03.01
The facts are there
that this is what happened.
00:18:03.04\00:18:07.45
Now, it was in the 1400s
00:18:07.48\00:18:09.22
that it was
exposed as a forgery,
00:18:09.25\00:18:12.15
but it was still used
for a couple hundred years.
00:18:12.19\00:18:16.59
And I'll share some more
00:18:16.62\00:18:18.33
what's in my
book to support that.
00:18:18.36\00:18:21.70
Let's put another quote
from the Threshold of Hope,
00:18:21.73\00:18:25.23
which is going
down the stream of time
00:18:25.27\00:18:27.34
to John Paul II.
00:18:27.37\00:18:30.21
This was a book
he wrote in 1995,
00:18:30.24\00:18:32.44
where he says that the
leader of the Catholic Church
00:18:32.47\00:18:34.41
is defined by the faith
as the Vicar of Jesus Christ
00:18:34.44\00:18:38.31
and is accepted by
as such by believers.
00:18:38.35\00:18:41.05
The pope is
considered the man on earth
00:18:41.08\00:18:43.89
who represents the Son of God,
00:18:43.92\00:18:46.12
who takes the place
of the second person
00:18:46.15\00:18:49.06
of the omnipotent
God of the Trinity.
00:18:49.09\00:18:51.43
Amazing!
00:18:51.46\00:18:52.79
That's page three
from John Paul's book,
00:18:52.83\00:18:55.36
Crossing the Threshold of Hope.
00:18:55.40\00:18:57.03
And that just...
Yes, it's amazing.
00:18:57.07\00:18:58.40
It shows that the
Roman Catholic Church
00:18:58.43\00:19:01.74
places tremendous
authority into this man,
00:19:01.77\00:19:07.74
and you can just see it
down throughout history.
00:19:07.78\00:19:11.15
Now, here's another
quote I want to put up there.
00:19:11.18\00:19:12.51
This is amazing.
00:19:12.55\00:19:13.88
This is from an
interview by Sean Hannity
00:19:13.95\00:19:17.42
on the Fox News Channel.
00:19:17.45\00:19:19.39
Hannity's America.
00:19:19.42\00:19:20.82
And this interview was in 2007,
00:19:20.89\00:19:23.32
where Sean Hannity interviewed
a Roman Catholic priest,
00:19:23.36\00:19:27.23
a very well-known
religion commentator,
00:19:27.23\00:19:30.17
Father Edward Beck.
00:19:30.20\00:19:32.27
And they were discussing 666.
00:19:32.30\00:19:34.57
The program was
called Beyond Belief
00:19:34.60\00:19:36.40
the mysterious
nature of three numbers
00:19:36.44\00:19:38.64
that nobody wants to repeat,
00:19:38.67\00:19:40.21
Fox News Channel
November 4th, 2007.
00:19:40.28\00:19:43.35
And this is what
Father Beck said,
00:19:43.38\00:19:47.62
Priest Beck in this interview.
00:19:47.65\00:19:49.95
He said, "If you
take the Latin name
00:19:49.98\00:19:52.95
that refers to all
popes, Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:19:52.99\00:19:56.52
which means vicar
of the Son of God.
00:19:56.56\00:19:59.29
If you take the Roman
numerals out of there,
00:19:59.33\00:20:01.90
guess what they add up to?
00:20:01.93\00:20:04.57
666."
00:20:04.60\00:20:06.37
That's from Hannity's
America, Beyond Belief,
00:20:06.40\00:20:08.94
the mysterious nature
of those three numbers
00:20:08.97\00:20:12.57
that nobody wants to say.
00:20:12.61\00:20:13.94
Now, I'm not saying that
00:20:13.98\00:20:15.84
Father Beck actually
believed what he said.
00:20:15.88\00:20:19.71
But he was simply repeating
00:20:19.75\00:20:22.98
what Protestants have
believed for a long time
00:20:23.02\00:20:25.19
in the context of his discussion
00:20:25.22\00:20:26.76
with Sean Hannity
00:20:26.82\00:20:28.42
but nevertheless he said it.
00:20:28.46\00:20:30.09
He admitted it
00:20:30.13\00:20:31.46
that Vicarius Filii
Dei applies to all popes,
00:20:31.49\00:20:34.46
and when you count out
00:20:34.46\00:20:35.90
to the numerical
value of the letters,
00:20:35.93\00:20:38.77
it comes out to 666.
00:20:38.80\00:20:41.20
Now, to me that is astonishing.
00:20:41.24\00:20:43.07
That takes us all
the way down to 2007.
00:20:43.10\00:20:46.51
It's a reflection
of truth, and it shows
00:20:50.11\00:20:55.05
what has been believed by
Protestants for a long time.
00:20:55.08\00:21:00.36
And I believe
it's still true today
00:21:00.39\00:21:04.06
because it's right
in the Word of God.
00:21:04.13\00:21:07.60
That's...
00:21:07.60\00:21:08.93
I mean, you have several
fascinating quotes there.
00:21:08.96\00:21:11.67
And I want to ask you this
00:21:11.70\00:21:13.10
because I'm sure
00:21:13.13\00:21:14.47
it's in the
minds of some people.
00:21:14.50\00:21:16.97
Different efforts
have been made to find 666
00:21:17.01\00:21:21.41
with other people's name.
00:21:21.44\00:21:22.78
Is it possible that
somebody else's name
00:21:22.81\00:21:25.88
could or title could
come up to a sum of 666?
00:21:25.91\00:21:31.89
Yes, I'm sure there is.
00:21:31.92\00:21:33.92
I think we've
mentioned this briefly.
00:21:33.96\00:21:35.66
And my book deals
00:21:35.69\00:21:37.29
with nine
different alternative views
00:21:37.33\00:21:39.29
and that's one of them
00:21:39.33\00:21:40.66
that other people's
names can add up to 666.
00:21:40.70\00:21:44.50
But the fact is,
00:21:44.53\00:21:47.37
that in order
for a person's name
00:21:47.40\00:21:50.67
to be a biblical candidate,
00:21:50.74\00:21:53.17
to fulfill Revelation 13:18,
00:21:53.21\00:21:56.48
all the other characteristics
have to come together,
00:21:56.51\00:22:01.05
they have to go in
the right direction,
00:22:01.08\00:22:02.88
they have to
identify the right beast,
00:22:02.92\00:22:05.19
and the right man,
and the right name.
00:22:05.22\00:22:07.72
And all these other views,
00:22:07.76\00:22:10.03
they're really smokescreens
to point people away
00:22:10.06\00:22:14.40
from the biblical facts.
00:22:14.46\00:22:16.73
So then...
00:22:16.77\00:22:18.53
I'm glad you said that.
00:22:18.57\00:22:19.90
That's why I asked
00:22:19.93\00:22:21.27
because I knew you were
going to say something similar
00:22:21.30\00:22:22.64
because that's
one characteristic.
00:22:22.67\00:22:25.01
There are others that focus in
00:22:25.04\00:22:28.91
and exactly fits the
Roman Catholic Church.
00:22:28.94\00:22:33.78
So it's not just
one characteristic,
00:22:33.82\00:22:35.92
there are...
00:22:35.95\00:22:37.45
Would you say how
many, 10, 15 characteristics
00:22:37.49\00:22:40.26
that all zero and all
point in the same direction?
00:22:40.32\00:22:43.32
That's right, from Daniel
7, from 2 Thessalonians 2,
00:22:43.39\00:22:46.46
from Revelation 17
and from Revelation 13.
00:22:46.49\00:22:50.00
That's right.
00:22:50.03\00:22:51.37
Now, I want to
tell you a little story.
00:22:51.40\00:22:52.73
Yes.
00:22:52.77\00:22:54.10
As I was getting
ready for this book
00:22:54.14\00:22:56.17
to go to the printer,
00:22:56.20\00:22:59.57
I was doing research.
00:22:59.61\00:23:01.44
And I discovered
that there was a document
00:23:01.48\00:23:05.68
that was slated to be printed
00:23:05.71\00:23:08.92
in the 1940s actually,
00:23:08.95\00:23:11.75
our own church
created a committee
00:23:11.79\00:23:16.06
called the 666
Committee, to study this issue,
00:23:16.09\00:23:19.19
to study Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:23:19.23\00:23:20.93
and whether this was
valid, and history et cetera.
00:23:20.96\00:23:23.57
And these were scholars,
00:23:23.63\00:23:25.50
and they came up with a document
00:23:25.53\00:23:27.20
called The Number of the Beast.
00:23:27.24\00:23:29.74
And I found out that
that document was voted
00:23:29.77\00:23:34.68
and slated to be
published in the 1940s
00:23:34.71\00:23:38.21
and distributed around the world
00:23:38.25\00:23:40.08
with this information
00:23:40.12\00:23:41.75
but somehow the devil
got his foot in there,
00:23:41.78\00:23:45.92
and it never got printed.
00:23:45.95\00:23:48.72
And I was able, in
the providence of God...
00:23:48.76\00:23:51.83
I don't have time to
tell you all the story now,
00:23:51.86\00:23:54.23
but I was able to get
hold of that document.
00:23:54.30\00:23:56.70
And I got it, I squeezed
it into the back of my book
00:23:56.73\00:24:01.37
as the appendix,
00:24:01.40\00:24:02.94
right before the
book went to press
00:24:02.97\00:24:06.14
that has that
summary of that document.
00:24:06.17\00:24:09.58
And I'd like to just
read a couple things from it
00:24:09.61\00:24:12.75
because this is so powerful
and people need to have this.
00:24:12.78\00:24:15.88
And this is all in the
back of my little book here.
00:24:15.92\00:24:18.49
It's called Summary of Findings.
00:24:18.52\00:24:20.19
It says, "After the
brief telescopic survey
00:24:20.26\00:24:22.56
of historical evidence on
the donation of Constantine
00:24:22.59\00:24:25.13
bearing the title
Vicarius Filii Dei in its bosom
00:24:25.16\00:24:27.96
through 12 centuries.
00:24:27.96\00:24:30.53
All the way down,
the stream of time
00:24:30.57\00:24:31.90
that we may revert
00:24:31.93\00:24:33.30
to a more definite consideration
00:24:33.34\00:24:34.67
of that title itself,
00:24:34.70\00:24:36.04
bearing in mind
00:24:36.07\00:24:37.41
that the title
is always retained
00:24:37.44\00:24:38.77
in The Donation of Constantine
00:24:38.81\00:24:40.14
wherever the document is
recorded or used or cited.
00:24:40.18\00:24:42.81
And here's a brief
summary of our findings
00:24:42.84\00:24:44.68
about this donation.
00:24:44.71\00:24:46.05
Number one,
00:24:46.08\00:24:47.42
Constantine's
Donation was composed
00:24:47.48\00:24:48.82
between 752 and 774.
00:24:48.85\00:24:51.09
Number two, it was
quoted by Charlemagne,
00:24:51.12\00:24:53.52
to Charlemagne by
Pope Hadrian in 778.
00:24:53.56\00:24:57.19
Number three, it became a
part of the False Decretals
00:24:57.23\00:24:59.59
forged about 844 to 850.
00:24:59.63\00:25:04.07
And number four,
it was incorporated
00:25:04.10\00:25:05.50
into Gratian's
Decretum about 1148,
00:25:05.53\00:25:08.77
which became the
basis of Roman Catholic law.
00:25:08.80\00:25:13.01
Number five, it
became an integral part
00:25:13.04\00:25:16.78
along with the Decretum
of the Corpus Juris Canonici,
00:25:16.85\00:25:20.82
which was an official Canonical
Compendium and textbook
00:25:20.85\00:25:24.45
of the Catholic
Church in the 1500s,
00:25:24.49\00:25:26.55
and it was published up to 1879.
00:25:26.59\00:25:29.22
Number six, it is included
00:25:29.26\00:25:30.63
in Ferraris Monumental
Ecclesiastical Dictionary,
00:25:30.66\00:25:33.50
revised up to the year 1890
00:25:33.53\00:25:35.46
and published by
the Vatican in Rome.
00:25:35.50\00:25:37.47
Point number seven,
the canonists, apologists,
00:25:37.53\00:25:40.00
bishops, popes, universities,
00:25:40.04\00:25:42.14
and the whole clergy
of the Catholic Church
00:25:42.17\00:25:45.37
have successively
used the Donation,
00:25:45.41\00:25:47.98
the False
Decretals, the Decretum,
00:25:48.01\00:25:50.11
and the Corpus Juris
Canonici in order to establish
00:25:50.15\00:25:53.88
the claims of the hierarchy
00:25:53.92\00:25:55.72
and the supremacy of the
pope throughout the centuries.
00:25:55.75\00:25:59.02
There is no shadow of
discoverable evidence,
00:25:59.05\00:26:01.29
and there's no claim
00:26:01.32\00:26:02.66
that the papacy
has ever disowned,
00:26:02.69\00:26:04.06
formally or otherwise,
a single assumption found
00:26:04.09\00:26:07.40
in these fundamental documents."
00:26:07.46\00:26:09.66
And the evidence goes on,
00:26:09.70\00:26:11.83
that that title put in
The Donation of Constantine
00:26:11.87\00:26:15.00
was used by the Catholic Church
00:26:15.04\00:26:17.44
to build up the Catholic Empire
00:26:17.51\00:26:21.08
in fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
00:26:21.11\00:26:23.55
So I'm so thankful,
John, that I was able to...
00:26:23.58\00:26:26.01
The Lord led me to
find that document.
00:26:26.05\00:26:29.68
Maybe we could just put
00:26:29.72\00:26:31.05
a picture of that on the screen.
00:26:31.09\00:26:32.42
I think we have
just a quick picture,
00:26:32.45\00:26:33.79
you won't be able to read it
00:26:33.86\00:26:35.19
but it says, it's
called the number of the beast.
00:26:35.22\00:26:36.83
There's a foreword, and
if you want to get my book.
00:26:36.86\00:26:40.60
That document came out in 1943,
00:26:40.63\00:26:43.37
and never saw the
light of day until now.
00:26:43.43\00:26:47.14
It's in a major way
in the back of this book.
00:26:47.20\00:26:50.47
It's been...
00:26:50.51\00:26:51.84
It's gotten out in a few places,
00:26:51.87\00:26:53.21
but nothing significant
00:26:53.24\00:26:54.58
as far as it
getting any major attention.
00:26:54.61\00:26:57.98
But that document is in
the back of my 666 book,
00:26:58.01\00:27:02.78
and I believe that the
Lord had His hand all over this.
00:27:02.82\00:27:05.69
Just like God
worked it out for me
00:27:05.72\00:27:07.49
to get one ticket
on that Delta flight
00:27:07.52\00:27:09.86
at 6 o'clock in the morning
00:27:09.89\00:27:11.36
when all my Alaska flights
were canceled to get here.
00:27:11.39\00:27:14.46
I believe that God also
led to get this information
00:27:14.46\00:27:17.40
in the back of this book
00:27:17.47\00:27:18.83
because people need to know this
00:27:18.87\00:27:20.34
because there's a lot...
00:27:20.37\00:27:21.70
You know, many eyes
are looking at this topic
00:27:21.74\00:27:23.07
from many
different perspectives.
00:27:23.10\00:27:24.61
And there's a lot of
different varying views,
00:27:24.64\00:27:26.27
and I'm aware of those views.
00:27:26.31\00:27:27.88
But I'm convinced
that there is solid,
00:27:27.91\00:27:30.68
historical, credible evidence
00:27:30.75\00:27:33.92
that Vicarius
Filii Dei is that name,
00:27:33.95\00:27:37.29
the title that
calculates out to 666.
00:27:37.32\00:27:41.26
That is the perfect
fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
00:27:41.29\00:27:44.76
And all other alternatives,
00:27:44.79\00:27:46.70
when you really
closely examined them,
00:27:46.73\00:27:49.30
they break down.
00:27:49.33\00:27:52.10
I have a question for you.
00:27:52.13\00:27:53.50
But first, I'd like to say this
00:27:53.54\00:27:54.87
because there may be
people that are joining us now,
00:27:54.90\00:27:56.87
wondering why you
cannot bring in your question.
00:27:56.91\00:28:00.94
The plan for
3ABN was to broadcast
00:28:01.01\00:28:04.45
this two-hour program live
00:28:04.48\00:28:07.65
so that you can have a chance
00:28:07.68\00:28:09.02
to bring in your
comments and your questions.
00:28:09.05\00:28:10.42
However, we had to
pre-record this program
00:28:10.45\00:28:14.72
because of a storm,
00:28:14.76\00:28:18.63
winter storm that was just...
00:28:18.66\00:28:21.83
It's heading our way,
00:28:21.86\00:28:25.07
and we're recording this program
00:28:25.10\00:28:26.50
prior to the
original live broadcast time
00:28:26.53\00:28:29.87
because the weather
is going to be so bad
00:28:29.90\00:28:32.01
and we want our
3ABN family workers
00:28:32.04\00:28:34.58
to be able to get home safely.
00:28:34.61\00:28:36.48
And this is why this
is a pre-recorded program.
00:28:36.51\00:28:39.65
However, the
information you are hearing
00:28:39.68\00:28:42.38
is such that you should study
00:28:42.42\00:28:46.96
and share with others.
00:28:46.99\00:28:48.66
And once again, at
the end of the program,
00:28:48.69\00:28:50.36
we're going to
share contact information
00:28:50.43\00:28:52.66
so that you know how to
get your copy of the book
00:28:52.69\00:28:56.23
written by
Pastor Steve Wohlberg,
00:28:56.26\00:28:58.17
ton of information
here and references
00:28:58.20\00:29:03.04
so that you can
continue the study.
00:29:03.07\00:29:06.84
And surely, I'm
sure you could have made
00:29:06.91\00:29:08.24
an even longer book
but you're trying...
00:29:08.28\00:29:10.38
You've made it simple
for people to understand.
00:29:10.41\00:29:13.75
And that's part of your plan
00:29:13.78\00:29:16.82
to make a book
easy to understand
00:29:16.85\00:29:19.45
that people can get
the information they need,
00:29:19.49\00:29:22.16
clarity on it, to eliminate
all the confusion out there
00:29:22.19\00:29:26.49
about the 666.
00:29:26.53\00:29:28.30
Now, my question to you is
00:29:28.33\00:29:30.77
I understand that the
Catholic Church has tried
00:29:30.80\00:29:34.47
to refute the idea
00:29:34.50\00:29:38.47
that Vicarius Filii Dei is,
00:29:38.51\00:29:43.65
was the title used by the popes.
00:29:43.68\00:29:46.11
Now, you already
shared information about this
00:29:46.15\00:29:49.95
but is this true,
have they tried to downplay
00:29:49.98\00:29:54.99
the Vicarius Filii Dei?
00:29:55.02\00:29:57.56
Oh, yes, they have.
00:29:57.63\00:29:58.96
And let me also say
that it wouldn't surprise me,
00:29:58.99\00:30:01.03
it's not impossible
00:30:01.06\00:30:02.60
that the devil
created this storm
00:30:02.63\00:30:05.30
to hit St. Louis and
3ABN right at this time
00:30:05.33\00:30:10.07
to try to stop this program
00:30:10.11\00:30:11.44
because I tell you this
is monumental information
00:30:11.47\00:30:16.11
that is of global significance.
00:30:16.14\00:30:17.61
So I'm not sure
that's what happened
00:30:17.65\00:30:19.11
but it's not impossible.
00:30:19.15\00:30:21.62
I tell you,
Satan hates this truth.
00:30:21.65\00:30:23.55
And yes,
00:30:23.59\00:30:25.85
the Catholic Church has
fought against this view.
00:30:25.89\00:30:29.32
The Vicarius
Filii Dei interpretation
00:30:29.36\00:30:31.63
of Revelation 13:18
00:30:31.66\00:30:33.96
has become, in history,
00:30:34.00\00:30:36.70
the number one interpretation,
00:30:36.73\00:30:40.27
the dominant Protestant
interpretation of this text
00:30:40.30\00:30:43.10
more than any
other view in history,
00:30:43.14\00:30:45.07
and the Catholic
Church has countered this.
00:30:45.11\00:30:47.74
And there's a lot of information
00:30:47.78\00:30:49.24
in my book about this battle.
00:30:49.28\00:30:51.11
There's a chapter
called The Beast Fights Back.
00:30:51.15\00:30:52.88
And one of the ways
00:30:52.91\00:30:54.25
that the Catholic
Church is fighting this
00:30:54.28\00:30:56.22
is with what I call
the miter diversion.
00:30:56.25\00:31:00.29
And there were a number
00:31:00.36\00:31:02.72
of apparent eyewitnesses
reports in the past,
00:31:02.76\00:31:06.39
where people said
they saw Vicarius Filii Dei
00:31:06.43\00:31:08.33
on the papal tiara,
00:31:08.36\00:31:10.27
but nobody's ever
found those to this date.
00:31:10.33\00:31:13.50
And so the
Catholic Church uses this
00:31:13.54\00:31:15.57
and they say
that "Protestants say
00:31:15.60\00:31:18.04
it's on the miter or the tiara.
00:31:18.07\00:31:20.34
We've never found that,
00:31:20.38\00:31:21.78
or they've never
produced proof of this.
00:31:21.81\00:31:24.11
And that's proof
00:31:24.15\00:31:25.75
that the whole
interpretation is bunk."
00:31:25.78\00:31:29.08
But that is just a smokescreen.
00:31:29.12\00:31:31.52
And the document
that's at the end of my book
00:31:31.55\00:31:33.42
makes it very clear
00:31:33.46\00:31:34.79
that whether it was or
wasn't on a miter or a tiara
00:31:34.82\00:31:37.86
in the past of the
Catholic God leaders
00:31:37.89\00:31:40.30
that's irrelevant.
00:31:40.36\00:31:41.66
It's irrelevant.
00:31:41.70\00:31:43.03
The real issue is
00:31:43.06\00:31:44.40
does it fulfill
biblical prophecy?
00:31:44.43\00:31:46.70
And the prophecy doesn't
say it has to be here or there.
00:31:46.77\00:31:49.80
The prophecy just says,
00:31:49.84\00:31:51.31
"It's a real name that
calculates out to 666."
00:31:51.34\00:31:55.94
And you've present the quotes,
a book by John Paul II as well,
00:31:55.98\00:32:00.82
where he uses that title.
00:32:00.85\00:32:02.18
That title of vicar.
00:32:02.22\00:32:03.55
Vicar of the... Son of God.
00:32:03.59\00:32:05.55
And so, yes, this
is vital information.
00:32:05.59\00:32:08.06
And we hope you
are being blessed
00:32:08.09\00:32:09.76
and writing this down.
00:32:09.79\00:32:11.13
Again, it's in the book,
you can continue reading it
00:32:11.16\00:32:14.93
and studying it.
00:32:14.93\00:32:17.23
This is just one,
we want to repeat that.
00:32:17.27\00:32:19.50
This is just one
00:32:19.53\00:32:20.90
of the
identifying characteristics
00:32:20.94\00:32:23.87
of what the beast power is.
00:32:23.91\00:32:25.94
That's right.
00:32:25.97\00:32:27.34
So can you give a quick summary
00:32:27.38\00:32:29.58
because we still want to hear
about how do you get victory?
00:32:29.61\00:32:34.35
Yes, what it means to us? Yes.
00:32:34.38\00:32:36.85
All right. So
when you say summary...
00:32:36.89\00:32:38.45
A quick summary of
the characteristics
00:32:38.49\00:32:40.42
or some of them
00:32:40.46\00:32:41.79
so that people will see that
00:32:41.82\00:32:43.16
this is not just one
isolated characteristic.
00:32:43.19\00:32:45.56
Well, in Revelation 13,
00:32:45.59\00:32:46.96
it gives a list of this summary.
00:32:47.00\00:32:48.30
It says that the beast would sit
00:32:48.33\00:32:49.66
on the seat of the dragon,
00:32:49.70\00:32:51.03
which was the Roman Empire.
00:32:51.07\00:32:52.40
It would have a mouth
speaking great things.
00:32:52.43\00:32:53.77
It would have
worldwide influence.
00:32:53.80\00:32:55.14
It would make war on the saints.
00:32:55.17\00:32:56.84
And then compare
those to Daniel 7,
00:32:56.87\00:32:58.94
it would be like a horn
00:32:58.97\00:33:00.38
that would come out
of the Roman Empire.
00:33:00.41\00:33:02.08
And when you put all
these pieces together,
00:33:02.11\00:33:04.28
as I mentioned,
Protestant scholars
00:33:04.31\00:33:06.61
and theologians
pinpointed the papal system
00:33:06.65\00:33:11.42
centered in the
authority of the pope.
00:33:11.45\00:33:13.59
And then Helwig in 1600, 1612,
1630, studied this and proposed
00:33:13.66\00:33:19.46
if Vicarius Filii Dei
was the perfect fulfillment.
00:33:19.49\00:33:22.46
That interpretation
took hold in Protestantism
00:33:22.50\00:33:27.00
for hundreds of years
00:33:27.04\00:33:28.60
and became the dominant view,
00:33:28.64\00:33:30.77
and now it's being challenged
by the Catholic Church.
00:33:30.81\00:33:33.38
If you google this online,
00:33:33.44\00:33:35.21
you'll find lots of
websites and articles
00:33:35.24\00:33:37.21
where the Catholic
Church makes fun of this
00:33:37.25\00:33:38.78
and says, "This is ridiculous"
00:33:38.81\00:33:40.18
because they say,
"It's on the miter.
00:33:40.22\00:33:41.62
We've never found a miter.
00:33:41.65\00:33:42.98
We've never found a
tiara with it on it.
00:33:43.02\00:33:44.82
So the whole thing is false."
00:33:44.85\00:33:47.22
And yet when you
look at the facts,
00:33:47.26\00:33:48.72
the facts of
history bear this out.
00:33:48.76\00:33:50.49
And my conviction is
that as we get closer
00:33:50.53\00:33:52.13
to the end of Revelation 13,
00:33:52.16\00:33:54.36
God wants us to be very clear
00:33:54.40\00:33:56.80
on this final
identifying characteristic
00:33:56.83\00:34:01.64
of the beast power
00:34:01.67\00:34:03.04
that will deceive the
world in the end times.
00:34:03.07\00:34:06.11
Now, let's go to
the practical issue
00:34:06.14\00:34:08.34
because this is where
we've got to get to this.
00:34:08.38\00:34:11.51
Revelation Chapter 15,
and we read this verse,
00:34:11.55\00:34:15.22
but we'll read it
again, in verse 2.
00:34:15.25\00:34:18.12
John saw a group of people.
00:34:18.15\00:34:20.16
He saw a sea of
glass mingled with fire
00:34:20.19\00:34:22.92
and then that had
gotten the victory
00:34:22.96\00:34:24.86
over the beast,
which is the biblical beast
00:34:24.89\00:34:26.93
described in
Revelation 13 over his image,
00:34:27.00\00:34:29.93
which is
described in the latter part
00:34:29.96\00:34:31.83
of Revelation 13,
and over his mark,
00:34:31.87\00:34:34.54
which is mentioned at
the end of Revelation 13
00:34:34.57\00:34:36.81
or near the end,
00:34:36.87\00:34:38.21
and over the number of his name,
00:34:38.24\00:34:42.21
standing on the sea of
glass having the harps of God.
00:34:42.24\00:34:44.95
So this verse says that
we need to get the victory
00:34:44.98\00:34:48.52
over the beast,
the image, the mark,
00:34:48.55\00:34:51.39
and the number of his name.
00:34:51.42\00:34:52.89
Now people think, well...
00:34:52.92\00:34:54.26
A friend of mine asked me this.
00:34:54.29\00:34:55.62
He said, "Steve,
I've asked many people,
00:34:55.66\00:34:56.99
how does...
00:34:57.03\00:34:58.56
What does that mean?
00:34:58.59\00:34:59.96
How do we get the
victory over the number
00:35:00.06\00:35:03.23
of the name of the beast?
00:35:03.26\00:35:05.40
Does that simply
mean that we need to learn
00:35:05.43\00:35:07.64
how to correctly
calculate Vicarius Filii Dei
00:35:07.67\00:35:12.57
to the number 666,
00:35:12.61\00:35:15.18
or does it mean more than that?"
00:35:15.21\00:35:17.71
And I'm convinced it means more.
00:35:17.75\00:35:20.55
And let me just quickly lead you
00:35:20.62\00:35:22.35
into a little sequence here.
00:35:22.38\00:35:24.19
If you go back to 2
Thessalonians Chapter 2...
00:35:24.22\00:35:27.86
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2?
00:35:27.89\00:35:29.22
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2,
00:35:29.26\00:35:32.16
we discover
00:35:32.19\00:35:34.10
that the
fundamental characteristic
00:35:34.10\00:35:39.27
of the beast itself,
00:35:39.30\00:35:42.00
and the man at the
head is self exaltation.
00:35:42.04\00:35:47.18
2 Thessalonians 2:3,
00:35:47.24\00:35:48.98
Paul warned the early believers.
00:35:49.01\00:35:51.85
"Let no man deceive you
by any means for that day,"
00:35:51.88\00:35:55.42
referring to the day
when Jesus will come,
00:35:55.45\00:35:57.99
"will not come
00:35:58.02\00:35:59.35
except there
come a falling away,"
00:35:59.39\00:36:01.02
which means an apostasy.
00:36:01.06\00:36:02.46
The Greek word is apostasia.
00:36:02.49\00:36:04.26
"There would be
an apostasy first,
00:36:04.29\00:36:06.26
and that man of
sin would be revealed,
00:36:06.29\00:36:10.97
the son of perdition."
00:36:11.00\00:36:12.33
And that man of sin
goes back to Daniel 7,
00:36:12.37\00:36:15.54
where the little
horn would have eyes
00:36:15.57\00:36:17.61
like the eyes of a man
00:36:17.64\00:36:19.67
and a mouth
speaking great things.
00:36:19.71\00:36:21.38
So here's this man of
sin, the son of perdition.
00:36:21.41\00:36:23.85
Verse 4 says, "He
opposes and he exalts himself
00:36:23.88\00:36:29.62
above all that is called
God or that is worshiped,
00:36:29.65\00:36:33.76
so that he as God would
sit in the temple of God,
00:36:33.79\00:36:39.73
which is the church,
00:36:39.76\00:36:41.93
showing himself that he is God."
00:36:41.96\00:36:46.57
So this tells us
00:36:46.60\00:36:47.97
that the root
character of this man of sin,
00:36:48.00\00:36:52.54
which is the same
as the little horn,
00:36:52.57\00:36:54.14
which is the same as the beast,
00:36:54.18\00:36:55.51
with the mouth
speaking great things,
00:36:55.54\00:36:57.41
is self-exaltation and pride.
00:36:57.45\00:37:02.28
And I've got a
quote I want to put.
00:37:02.32\00:37:03.85
Have the guys put this graphic
on the screen from Ferraris,
00:37:03.92\00:37:07.59
which was a Monumental
Catholic Encyclopedia.
00:37:07.62\00:37:12.03
And here is this quote,
and the date there is 1858.
00:37:12.06\00:37:18.00
And it's an article
00:37:18.03\00:37:19.37
called concerning the
extent of people dignity,
00:37:19.40\00:37:22.97
authority and...
00:37:23.00\00:37:25.74
Or dominion and infallibility
00:37:25.77\00:37:27.61
from Prompta
Bibliotheca Canonica.
00:37:27.64\00:37:29.98
Yes.
00:37:30.05\00:37:31.38
It's a little hard for me
to read it, but you got it.
00:37:31.41\00:37:32.75
Now, here's the quote.
00:37:32.78\00:37:34.12
It says, "The pope is of
so great dignity and exalted
00:37:34.15\00:37:37.75
that he is not a mere
man but as it were God,
00:37:37.79\00:37:42.29
and the vicar of God.
00:37:42.32\00:37:44.36
The pope alone
is called most holy.
00:37:44.39\00:37:47.60
Hence the pope is
crowned with a triple crown,
00:37:47.66\00:37:50.73
as king of heaven
and of earth and of hell.
00:37:50.77\00:37:54.94
Now, you know,
that is astonishing.
00:37:54.97\00:37:58.11
And that quote from a
very well-known respected
00:37:58.14\00:38:03.41
Roman Catholic
Encyclopedia in a dictionary
00:38:03.48\00:38:08.05
and theological work and
canon law work, et cetera.
00:38:08.08\00:38:12.45
That identifies their
view of the power of the pope
00:38:12.49\00:38:17.46
that he is not a mere man.
00:38:17.49\00:38:20.53
That he is, as it
were God on Earth,
00:38:20.56\00:38:24.27
which John is a
perfect fulfillment
00:38:24.30\00:38:27.34
of 2 Thessalonians
2:4 that he would oppose
00:38:27.37\00:38:31.71
and exalt himself
above all that is called God,
00:38:31.74\00:38:35.91
or that is worship.
00:38:35.94\00:38:37.58
So he would sit as a God.
00:38:37.65\00:38:40.35
And so we have the
prediction from the Bible,
00:38:40.42\00:38:43.39
we have the quote
from the Catholic Church,
00:38:43.42\00:38:45.39
we have the
authority of the pope,
00:38:45.42\00:38:47.09
they fit together
like a lock and a key,
00:38:47.16\00:38:49.46
and they also reveal
that the characteristic,
00:38:49.49\00:38:53.70
the biblical
characteristic of this power
00:38:53.73\00:38:56.73
is self-exaltation.
00:38:56.77\00:38:59.80
And as I've studied
this and pondered this,
00:38:59.83\00:39:02.67
you know, name in
the Book of Revelation,
00:39:02.70\00:39:04.44
as I mentioned,
can refer to title.
00:39:04.47\00:39:06.24
It also refers to character.
00:39:06.27\00:39:07.98
It describes in Revelation 14:1
00:39:08.01\00:39:10.11
about how God's final
people have the name of God
00:39:10.18\00:39:14.52
in their foreheads,
00:39:14.55\00:39:15.88
which represents his character.
00:39:15.92\00:39:18.22
In Exodus 34,
00:39:18.25\00:39:19.82
God revealed His
character to Moses,
00:39:19.85\00:39:22.72
and it says, "He
revealed His name."
00:39:22.76\00:39:25.63
And then He said,
His name was merciful,
00:39:25.66\00:39:27.86
gracious,
longsuffering, abundant
00:39:27.86\00:39:29.56
and goodness and truth,
00:39:29.60\00:39:31.23
another things showing
that name is character.
00:39:31.27\00:39:33.94
So in Revelation,
00:39:33.97\00:39:35.37
when it talks about
people getting the victory
00:39:35.40\00:39:37.84
over the number of its name,
00:39:37.87\00:39:39.94
when you look at this
power, the beast, the image,
00:39:39.97\00:39:42.31
the mark, the
number of his name,
00:39:42.34\00:39:44.48
Vicarius Filii Dei,
it's really a reflection
00:39:44.51\00:39:48.12
of
self-exaltation above the Word
00:39:48.15\00:39:54.16
and the will of God.
00:39:54.19\00:39:56.22
And the question is,
00:39:56.26\00:39:57.66
is that a struggle
00:39:57.69\00:39:59.46
that is only
reflected in Catholicism
00:39:59.49\00:40:02.93
and in the name of the pope?
00:40:02.96\00:40:04.90
Or is that a struggle
that every single human being
00:40:04.93\00:40:09.54
from the fall of Adam and
Eve, all the way down to today,
00:40:09.57\00:40:14.18
is that something that we
all have to struggle with,
00:40:14.24\00:40:18.55
and overcome through the Lamb,
00:40:18.58\00:40:23.02
who is Jesus Christ?
00:40:23.05\00:40:25.12
Everybody faces that challenge,
you know, even the disciples.
00:40:25.15\00:40:30.93
As Jesus was heading to Calvary,
00:40:30.96\00:40:34.36
they wanted to be number one,
00:40:34.40\00:40:35.73
they wanted to be next to Jesus.
00:40:35.76\00:40:37.33
It's a challenge for people.
00:40:37.40\00:40:38.90
That's right.
00:40:38.93\00:40:40.27
And there was a time in my life
00:40:40.30\00:40:41.64
when I went through a
number of real struggles,
00:40:41.67\00:40:43.84
dark days.
00:40:43.87\00:40:45.21
And in those days,
00:40:45.24\00:40:46.57
the Holy Spirit
led me to study pride.
00:40:46.61\00:40:50.38
And I studied
Lucifer's pride where it says,
00:40:50.41\00:40:53.85
"His heart was lifted up."
00:40:53.88\00:40:56.35
And then I looked at the
pride down throughout history,
00:40:56.38\00:40:59.52
the pride of Israel.
00:40:59.55\00:41:00.96
Israel exalted itself.
00:41:00.99\00:41:02.59
And you look at the
pride of the Pharisees,
00:41:02.62\00:41:04.56
you know, the
Pharisee who prayed,
00:41:04.59\00:41:06.53
"God, I thank you that
I'm not like other men."
00:41:06.56\00:41:08.80
And you look at
the pride of Assyria,
00:41:08.83\00:41:10.93
the pride of
Babylon in Revelation 18,
00:41:10.97\00:41:13.50
that says, "I sit as a queen,
00:41:13.54\00:41:15.07
and I'm no widow,
and shall see no sorrow."
00:41:15.10\00:41:17.47
And you look at
the pride of the beast,
00:41:17.51\00:41:18.87
the pride of the popes,
00:41:18.91\00:41:20.24
and you look at
the pride of Laodicea,
00:41:20.28\00:41:23.08
which is Jesus' last
church in Revelation 3:14-22,
00:41:23.11\00:41:28.58
that says in her heart,
00:41:28.62\00:41:30.85
"I am rich and
increased with goods
00:41:30.89\00:41:32.82
and in need of nothing."
00:41:32.85\00:41:34.22
But you don't
realize you're wretched,
00:41:34.26\00:41:35.92
miserable,
poor, blind and naked.
00:41:35.96\00:41:37.69
And so the theme of pride
00:41:37.73\00:41:40.96
as a threat is from
Genesis to Revelation.
00:41:40.96\00:41:45.13
And it's a fundamental
characteristic of the beast,
00:41:45.17\00:41:48.97
and it's a
struggle that we all have.
00:41:49.00\00:41:53.71
My conclusion is that
the pride of the papacy
00:41:53.74\00:41:57.38
and the pride of the pope,
00:41:57.41\00:41:59.28
and the pride of the
title, Vicarius Filii Dei,
00:41:59.31\00:42:02.35
I represent God on Earth
00:42:02.38\00:42:04.92
is actually a reflection
of the pride of humanity,
00:42:04.95\00:42:09.89
which goes back to the devil,
00:42:09.92\00:42:11.79
which is a battle
00:42:11.83\00:42:13.60
that every single
one of us must fight.
00:42:13.63\00:42:17.97
And Revelation 15:2 says,
"God's going to have people
00:42:18.00\00:42:21.80
who get the
victory over the beast,
00:42:21.84\00:42:25.21
his image, his mark,
00:42:25.24\00:42:27.28
and over the
number of his name."
00:42:27.34\00:42:29.54
And I've concluded
that I, Steve Wohlberg,
00:42:29.58\00:42:33.78
need to get the victory
over the pride of the devil,
00:42:33.82\00:42:39.62
which is in my own
heart that I have to fight.
00:42:39.65\00:42:42.99
You know in a way, we
all have a little pope
00:42:43.02\00:42:45.29
inside of us that
wants to exalt self,
00:42:45.33\00:42:48.73
and not do the will of God.
00:42:48.76\00:42:50.70
You know, John, I know
you're about to ask something,
00:42:50.73\00:42:53.17
but this is important.
00:42:53.20\00:42:55.44
Some time ago,
00:42:55.47\00:42:56.84
the Holy Spirit
really convicted me
00:42:56.87\00:42:58.97
that this was
Lucifer's dividing issue.
00:42:59.01\00:43:04.28
That before he got
kicked out of heaven,
00:43:04.31\00:43:06.15
God showed him his error.
00:43:06.18\00:43:09.38
And he had a
chance to come back,
00:43:09.42\00:43:12.39
but his pride held him back.
00:43:12.42\00:43:17.56
And so when I'm fighting pride,
00:43:17.63\00:43:20.50
when I'm fighting some decision,
00:43:20.53\00:43:22.10
you know, that God's
leading me this direction,
00:43:22.13\00:43:24.30
and I want to go this direction,
00:43:24.33\00:43:26.37
then I'm fighting one-on-one,
00:43:26.40\00:43:29.70
you know, head-to-head
with the devil and his angels.
00:43:29.74\00:43:32.81
And Satan is
trying to impress me
00:43:32.84\00:43:35.34
to do what he did,
00:43:35.38\00:43:36.71
which is not humble myself.
00:43:36.75\00:43:38.78
And when I choose to
humble myself before God,
00:43:38.81\00:43:42.62
to follow Jesus
and follow the Bible
00:43:42.65\00:43:45.39
instead of following my own way,
00:43:45.42\00:43:47.56
I am directly in
engaged with the devil himself,
00:43:47.62\00:43:52.03
and I'm choosing
to not do what he did
00:43:52.06\00:43:56.23
and to humble myself so
I can prepare for heaven.
00:43:56.26\00:44:01.34
And there's so
much in the Bible.
00:44:01.37\00:44:03.20
Jesus said, "He
who exalts himself
00:44:03.24\00:44:04.57
will be humbled,
00:44:04.61\00:44:05.94
he who humbles
himself will be exalted."
00:44:05.97\00:44:07.71
Maybe we should just show you,
we have a picture on the screen
00:44:07.74\00:44:10.28
of the pope on one
side and Jesus on the other.
00:44:10.35\00:44:14.02
On the right side, you'll see
00:44:14.05\00:44:16.25
the pope sitting
on a white throne,
00:44:16.28\00:44:18.99
which is what the
Bible says about God.
00:44:19.02\00:44:20.49
God sits on a great white throne
00:44:20.56\00:44:21.89
in Revelation 20.
00:44:21.92\00:44:23.26
And He's got angels,
golden angels on both sides,
00:44:23.29\00:44:25.69
which is what the
Bible says about God.
00:44:25.73\00:44:27.66
That He sits on his
throne between the cherubim.
00:44:27.66\00:44:30.43
And here's a man
sitting on a great white throne,
00:44:30.47\00:44:34.00
which is reflecting Satan's goal
00:44:34.04\00:44:36.91
to sit on the throne of God.
00:44:36.97\00:44:39.31
He's dressed in
white in that picture.
00:44:39.34\00:44:40.68
That's right.
00:44:40.74\00:44:42.08
And then on the other side,
00:44:42.11\00:44:43.45
you have Jesus
Christ hanging on the cross
00:44:43.48\00:44:46.58
almost naked
00:44:46.61\00:44:48.05
with the crown of
thorns on His head.
00:44:48.08\00:44:50.29
And He is
suffering and agonizing
00:44:50.35\00:44:53.25
and dying for the
sins of the whole world,
00:44:53.32\00:44:56.89
including the sins of popes
and Catholics and Protestants,
00:44:56.93\00:44:59.63
and witches and heavy
metal rock and rollers,
00:44:59.66\00:45:04.80
and atheists and agnostics,
00:45:04.83\00:45:06.77
Republicans,
Democrats, everybody.
00:45:06.84\00:45:09.67
He's dying for us all
to pay the price of sin
00:45:09.70\00:45:15.14
and its pride.
00:45:15.18\00:45:17.28
And the evils that
has come into this world,
00:45:17.35\00:45:21.35
and Jesus is doing all
this for you and for me.
00:45:21.38\00:45:24.79
He's showing the
ultimate humility,
00:45:24.82\00:45:27.29
the ultimate sacrifice,
00:45:27.36\00:45:29.09
the ultimate
expression of humble love
00:45:29.12\00:45:33.43
to reach our hearts
00:45:33.50\00:45:36.73
and to get us out
from the pride of the devil
00:45:36.77\00:45:40.40
and the pride of man,
00:45:40.44\00:45:41.77
and to lead us
to get on our knees,
00:45:41.80\00:45:43.24
humble ourselves
00:45:43.27\00:45:44.61
and say, "God be merciful to me,
00:45:44.64\00:45:46.34
a sinner.
00:45:46.37\00:45:47.71
Give me by your grace
the free gift of salvation.
00:45:47.74\00:45:51.38
Deliver me from all of this evil
00:45:51.41\00:45:55.12
and help me to be like Christ."
00:45:55.15\00:45:58.49
That's what it's all about.
00:45:58.52\00:45:59.85
And that's what this
ultimate, this 666 issue.
00:45:59.89\00:46:04.26
It's not just history,
prophecy, Latin titles,
00:46:04.29\00:46:08.03
calculations, charts.
00:46:08.06\00:46:10.20
It's also a window
00:46:10.27\00:46:14.47
into the battle
that we all face,
00:46:14.50\00:46:17.84
and we need to be
on the side of the Lamb
00:46:17.87\00:46:21.14
in the final crisis in
order to avoid the beast,
00:46:21.18\00:46:25.41
the image, the mark,
the number of its name.
00:46:25.45\00:46:28.25
God wants us to be
on the side of the Lamb,
00:46:28.28\00:46:31.25
and that's what it's all about.
00:46:31.29\00:46:32.62
And I'm just... I'm so...
00:46:32.65\00:46:33.99
I praise the Lord
00:46:34.06\00:46:35.39
that I have a chance
to share this on 3ABN
00:46:35.42\00:46:37.63
and to help people to
understand this big issue.
00:46:37.66\00:46:42.46
Thank you so much.
00:46:42.50\00:46:43.93
You've put a lot
of study into this.
00:46:43.97\00:46:45.90
You have great concern
00:46:45.93\00:46:47.64
and your hope and
desire as people read the book,
00:46:47.67\00:46:53.01
how would you summarize that?
00:46:53.04\00:46:56.38
Well, my hope
and desire is that,
00:46:56.41\00:47:00.98
and I believe
God brought me here
00:47:01.02\00:47:02.65
in the midst of the storm.
00:47:02.68\00:47:04.65
And my hope is that
Jesus would be lifted up,
00:47:04.69\00:47:08.22
His truth would be lifted up,
00:47:08.26\00:47:09.86
that people would
understand that the power
00:47:09.89\00:47:13.46
that will
ultimately deceive the world
00:47:13.53\00:47:15.83
is described in Revelation 13.
00:47:15.86\00:47:18.00
That it is
represented by one man,
00:47:18.03\00:47:21.77
the pope,
00:47:21.80\00:47:23.14
and that the world
is looking to this man
00:47:23.17\00:47:26.24
as the voice of God
00:47:26.27\00:47:28.14
to point humanity
in the right direction,
00:47:28.18\00:47:30.95
which will ultimately
lead to the final delusion
00:47:30.98\00:47:33.75
and the enforcement
of the mark of the beast.
00:47:33.82\00:47:37.39
And that we
would then understand
00:47:37.42\00:47:39.42
that the root issue
is in our own hearts,
00:47:39.45\00:47:43.09
and that we need
to humble ourselves.
00:47:43.12\00:47:44.86
Jesus said...
00:47:44.89\00:47:46.23
One of my favorite
verses is Matthew 11:28-29,
00:47:46.26\00:47:50.93
where Jesus said,
00:47:50.97\00:47:52.30
"Come to me all you that
labor and are heavy laden,
00:47:52.33\00:47:56.44
and I will give you rest.
00:47:56.47\00:47:58.11
Take My yoke upon
you and learn from Me."
00:47:58.14\00:48:01.91
He said, "For I am
meek and lowly in heart,
00:48:01.94\00:48:05.78
and you will find
rest for your souls."
00:48:05.81\00:48:08.42
Amen.
00:48:08.45\00:48:09.78
So there you've got
the pride of the beast
00:48:09.82\00:48:11.15
versus the humility of the Lamb.
00:48:11.19\00:48:12.75
And if we want to find
rest and peace and happiness,
00:48:12.79\00:48:16.76
you know, we go down.
00:48:16.79\00:48:18.13
The lower we go in
humility and humbling ourselves,
00:48:18.16\00:48:22.20
the more the Lord
is going to lift us up,
00:48:22.23\00:48:24.47
and change our lives
00:48:24.50\00:48:26.07
and give us peace and
happiness and rest of soul.
00:48:26.10\00:48:29.00
In Revelation 14, it says,
00:48:29.04\00:48:30.61
"They have no rest day or night,
00:48:30.64\00:48:32.51
who worship the
beast and his image
00:48:32.54\00:48:34.08
and whoever gets the mark."
00:48:34.11\00:48:35.44
So there's no rest.
00:48:35.48\00:48:36.88
Christ is offering us
rest and we need that rest.
00:48:36.95\00:48:39.55
We need that peace.
00:48:39.58\00:48:40.92
Everybody needs to have peace.
00:48:40.95\00:48:42.28
And in the
Catholic Church, you know,
00:48:42.32\00:48:43.69
when I saw those old
women climbing up those stairs
00:48:43.72\00:48:45.59
on their knees,
00:48:45.62\00:48:46.96
you know, they didn't have rest.
00:48:46.99\00:48:48.69
In the Catholic Church
00:48:48.72\00:48:50.06
the people are
experiencing the tyranny
00:48:50.13\00:48:52.16
of papal demands,
00:48:52.19\00:48:54.83
and they have no peace.
00:48:54.86\00:48:56.20
And they don't know,
00:48:56.23\00:48:57.57
they don't have to go
00:48:57.60\00:48:58.93
through the pope and the priests
00:48:58.97\00:49:00.37
and they don't
have to do these things.
00:49:00.40\00:49:01.74
They can go
directly to the Father,
00:49:01.77\00:49:03.10
through Jesus Christ,
00:49:03.14\00:49:04.47
and that's what the
reformation is all about.
00:49:04.51\00:49:05.84
That's what our
movement is about,
00:49:05.87\00:49:07.31
is to point people to the Bible,
00:49:07.34\00:49:08.81
to Christ, to the truth to
the three angels' messages.
00:49:08.84\00:49:12.11
And I believe this is a
truth, whose time has come.
00:49:12.15\00:49:16.38
So my hope is that God
will bless this program,
00:49:16.42\00:49:18.29
open a lot of people eyes.
00:49:18.32\00:49:19.65
Of course, as an author,
00:49:19.69\00:49:21.02
you know I'd love to see
lots of people get this book.
00:49:21.06\00:49:22.96
The price is just a few dollars.
00:49:22.99\00:49:25.16
One ministry ordered seven cases
00:49:25.19\00:49:27.40
to sell and giveaway.
00:49:27.46\00:49:29.33
We've made it very affordable
00:49:29.36\00:49:31.70
because we want to
get the information out
00:49:31.73\00:49:35.64
as easily as possible.
00:49:35.67\00:49:38.64
So how can people
get copies of this book?
00:49:38.67\00:49:41.64
What's the contact information
for getting the books?
00:49:41.68\00:49:46.48
Well, they can get it
from White Horse Media.
00:49:46.51\00:49:49.22
Maybe we can put
that up on the screen.
00:49:49.25\00:49:51.75
So we have whitehorsemedia.com
Yes, we have our...
00:49:51.79\00:49:53.96
Yeah, whitehorsemedia.com
00:49:53.99\00:49:55.52
and we have a
phone number as well.
00:49:55.56\00:49:57.26
We have a toll free
number, an 800 number.
00:49:57.33\00:50:00.20
People can call
that number, I think.
00:50:00.23\00:50:01.90
I guess they'll put
it up in a little while.
00:50:01.93\00:50:03.37
Oh there it is. So
there it is at 1-800...
00:50:03.43\00:50:04.90
1-800-78...
00:50:04.93\00:50:07.00
It translates out to
78 Bible, 1-800-78Bible,
00:50:07.04\00:50:11.31
or 1-800-782-4253.
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We have a
wonderful team of people
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that are committed to the Lord
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where we're here to serve.
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God has raised up White
Horse Media as a ministry
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to help people get
ready for Jesus to come
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and that's what we're all about,
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and that's what
3ABN is all about.
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And so it's my
privilege to be here
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partnering with you,
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and I'm just thrilled
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that God opened this door
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for me to get here
through the canceled flights
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and all the ice and
everything else out there.
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And that we could
still do this program
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to get out this information
that people need to know.
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And so the contact information
we just shared is also a way
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people can get in touch with you
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to invite you to the
evangelistic campaign.
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You do
evangelistic campaign still?
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Yes, I do.
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I do weekend seminars.
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I used to before I was married
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when I didn't
have my wife and kids.
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I used to go out and
hold four-week events.
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But now that I'm
married, I have a 17-year-old
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that's getting ready
to move out of the house,
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and a 14-year-old and my wife.
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I've limited my travels to
once a month for a weekend,
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and I do these weekend seminars.
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If people are
interested in that,
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they can contact our office.
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We also have an
associate speaker
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that can do weekends as well.
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We have
actually a list of people
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that we recommend
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because I can't do everything.
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And we're available,
our ministry to help people
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and the YouTube channel.
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We have...
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I saw a little flyer out
there for The Crowning Act,
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which is a movie that we put out
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a number of months ago.
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It's a half-hour movie
called The Crowning Act.
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And now it's got
over 1.3 million views
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on our YouTube channel.
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So the Lord is just blessing
us to get this information out.
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We're nothing.
Jesus's everything.
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He's on the throne. He's coming.
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We want to get out of the
way and let the Lord use us,
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and it's a
privilege and a blessing.
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Pastor Wohlberg, I'm
thinking of the people
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that were or are
Catholics that may be watching
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or listening to this program.
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After hearing this,
it's shocking, very shocking.
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I know.
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And what do you do now,
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you know, maybe
members of the Catholic Church
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for 10, 20, 30,
40 years a lifetime?
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What can you tell
them to encourage them?
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What would be their next step?
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What should...
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What is your
recommendation for them?
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Would you look at the camera
and speak to their hearts?
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Yeah.
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Well, I speak of
this in seminars.
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I've done this for years.
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And I remember one
time, I believe I was in Texas
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and a lady was
coming to my meetings.
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She was Catholic.
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And as I went down
through some of these truths,
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she came up to me
after that meeting,
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and she said...
I'll never forget that.
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She said, "I'm free.
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Now I'm free."
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And I was so happy about that
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because now she knew
that Jesus loved her.
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She could be saved
by the grace of God.
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She could open her heart
for the gift of salvation.
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She didn't have to do
all these penance things
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and all the Hail Mary's.
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She didn't have to go
through the confessions.
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She could just get on her knees
and accept Jesus as her Savior,
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and that's why we're doing this.
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We want this to help you.
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So we just encourage you
to look at this information.
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Look at your Bible
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and come directly to
God through Jesus Christ.
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Come directly to Him
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and ask Him to
forgive your sins,
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to come into your life,
00:53:46.52\00:53:47.86
to give you the
gift of salvation,
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and to help you
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to develop a
character like Christ,
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a humble character, and
to stand up for the Bible.
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And that's what
our ministry is about.
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That's what we're here to
do so we want that for you.
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Just like it's
been a blessing to us,
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we want that blessing to
happen in your life as well.
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Pastor Wohlberg,
I'm going to ask you,
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if you would please have
prayer for all the people
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that are hearing this
and now they're shocked
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and they don't know what to do.
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And thank you so
much for presenting
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that appeal in that story,
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which helps people understand
they can have that freedom
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and that liberty
that you mentioned.
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But can you have
a prayer for them,
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so that the Lord will
help them and guide them
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through this process?
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Of course.
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Heavenly Father, I'm so grateful
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for the chance
to be here at 3ABN
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and to share this information,
the truth of the Bible,
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the truth of Jesus,
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the Lamb who
suffered on the cross
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for all of our sins,
00:54:42.31\00:54:43.65
who loves us so much,
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no matter who we
are and what we've done.
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And, Lord, we
just pray that you...
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I pray for the viewers
that You will help them
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to fix their faith in You.
00:54:52.62\00:54:55.29
And then we will all be forgiven
00:54:55.32\00:54:57.09
and our hearts
changed by the Holy Spirit.
00:54:57.13\00:54:59.89
We'll become more like Jesus.
00:54:59.96\00:55:01.83
We'll be on the side of the Lamb
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and that we'll be
ready for the final crisis,
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and for the great day
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when Jesus will
come down from the clouds
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to take us to a better land.
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Lord, may that day come
soon in Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
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Well, Pastor Wohlberg, we
want to thank you for coming
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to 3ABN to share
this information.
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Once again, Pastor Wohlberg
is an author over 40 books,
00:55:23.99\00:55:28.06
and is a person
that has in his heart
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the desire to see
people come to Jesus.
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That's why he
preaches on television,
00:55:33.60\00:55:36.40
preaches on the radio
and writes these books
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so that people
can be enlightened
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to know what the
truth of God's Word is.
00:55:40.40\00:55:43.14
And this has been
presented with a desire
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that you too will see
the truth as it is in Jesus
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and that the Bible
has a message for us
00:55:50.35\00:55:52.35
for these times
that we are living in.
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We are living
in difficult times,
00:55:54.48\00:55:56.22
and we are living
in challenging times
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and it's going to
get more difficult.
00:55:58.35\00:55:59.82
Would you say that's
true, Pastor Wohlberg?
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It's going to get more difficult
00:56:01.29\00:56:02.62
as time goes on?
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Yeah, no question.
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We're heading
toward a time of trouble
00:56:05.43\00:56:06.76
such as never was.
00:56:06.80\00:56:08.10
Daniel 12:1 says that.
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But the good news
is that God is bigger
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than all of our troubles,
00:56:11.07\00:56:12.93
and all of the
forces of the devil,
00:56:12.97\00:56:15.27
and He can bring
us through all the way
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if we just continue to
trust in Him no matter what.
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Amen.
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And as you've heard on 3ABN,
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the back of the book
says that God's people win.
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So we encourage you to...
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If you have any questions,
00:56:27.92\00:56:29.25
you can contact Pastor Wohlberg.
00:56:29.28\00:56:31.02
The books are available
00:56:31.05\00:56:32.82
so that you can
distribute to others at a price
00:56:32.85\00:56:35.39
that is very, very affordable.
00:56:35.42\00:56:37.53
So we encourage you to
write to them and call them
00:56:37.56\00:56:40.00
so that you can
have the material
00:56:40.03\00:56:41.50
share with others.
00:56:41.53\00:56:42.86
This is a message that
is needed for this time.
00:56:42.90\00:56:45.47
And we want to
just encourage you
00:56:45.50\00:56:47.00
to pray for Pastor Wohlberg
00:56:47.04\00:56:48.74
and pray for the people
that will receive these books
00:56:48.77\00:56:51.27
so that they will know
that God is calling them
00:56:51.31\00:56:53.84
to make a decision
00:56:53.88\00:56:55.21
that will get
them out of confusion
00:56:55.24\00:56:56.81
and into the light
of God's way to heaven.
00:56:56.85\00:57:00.48
Thank you so
much for joining us.
00:57:00.55\00:57:01.88
God bless you.
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We'll see you next
time on 3ABN Today.
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