As you're well aware,
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we're living in
unprecedented times.
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Join us now for
Today special program.
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, welcome to 3ABN.
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This is almost live, I would
say because it is pre-recorded.
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Why is it pre-recorded?
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It is because of
a heavy winter storm
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in Southern Illinois.
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The plan was to go live
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but we had to
pre-record this program
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because the weather is
just getting worse and worse.
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And, of course, we are concerned
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for our 3ABN family workers
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and we wanted
to get home safely,
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so we have to
pre-record this program.
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For this reason, you're
not able to send your questions
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so that Pastor Steve Wohlberg
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that is here with
us can answer them.
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Pastor Wohlberg,
welcome back to 3ABN.
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God bless you for coming
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and you had to
kind of just sneak in
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before the storm came in.
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Tell us about your trip
and how it worked out for you?
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Yes, I would call
this wicked weather,
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I tell you, it's amazing.
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Two nights ago, I
was, I got on the phone
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with Alaska and found out that
all my flights were canceled.
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My Alaska flights they
were not flying into St. Louis
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because of this terrible
storm that was coming in.
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So my associate
quickly got on the internet
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and found one seat
left on a Delta flight
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that left at 6
o'clock in the morning
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the next morning.
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So I got up before three
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and I got to the
airport in Spokane
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and got on that flight
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and then made my connection
in Salt Lake and flew right in.
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As I think, you
know, James Rafferty
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was supposed to come in.
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Yes. And do this program.
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But he's...
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We had one flight canceled,
then another flight canceled.
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He got booked on Delta,
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as well, for later
flight that was canceled.
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So and I just feel like
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I just snuck in when
I got into the airport
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and got my rental
car from St. Louis.
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I saw seven
accidents on the way here.
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The roads were just
very, very treacherous.
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And so I'm just
thankful, John, that I'm here,
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and that you're here
with me in the pinch.
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And I just trust that
the Lord is going to bless
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what we're going to do.
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Amen. Amen.
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Well, my name is
John Dinzey for those
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that are listening by radio.
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And we have Pastor
Steve Wohlberg with us.
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He is the Speaker and
Director of White Horse Media.
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And I know for those
watching that his face
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is familiar to you,
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and I believe your
voice should be familiar
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to many people
because you're also on radio.
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Tell us briefly
about White Horse Media?
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What is that? And why is
it called White Horse Media?
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Why not the red
black, blue or yellow horse?
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Yes, it's the White Horse
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because we picked the name
because of Revelation 19:11
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that describes Jesus
returning on a white horse.
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We love that verse.
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We'd like the imagery
Jesus is coming as the,
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you know, the Holy
Hero to get rid of evil.
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And so we are White Horse Media.
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Our goal is to help people
to get ready for Jesus to come.
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We're based in Priest River,
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Idaho, we have a
wonderful staff there.
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We've got a building, a
studio, a lot of offices,
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and we've been working for
God as a team for many years.
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We produce radio
programs, TV programs,
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we have seminars, I
read a lot of books.
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And I just feel so blessed,
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John, to live in the
country with my family,
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my family's there, my
wife and my two children,
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and to work
with a wonderful team
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that is working
for God and I'm just,
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I'm a blessed man.
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I really am.
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Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
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I think we have a
picture also of our staff
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just to show
that recent picture.
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I've done this many times
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when I go on 3ABN and
show a picture of my wife
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and my children.
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If you look right in
the middle of that picture,
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the very top young
man that is my son Seth,
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he's actually bigger than me.
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And right next,
next to him is Christine
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and right below Christine,
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or right next to
Christine is Abby.
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And then I'm right behind Abby.
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Abby is 14, Seth is 17,
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getting ready for college
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and I won't tell
you how old my wife is.
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But we just,
I'm just so blessed,
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wonderful family,
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and wonderful team of
people that I work with.
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And so God is
good. And He's good.
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Glad to be back at
3ABN Praise the Lord.
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Praise the Lord.
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You know, Pastor Steve Wohlberg,
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for those of you that
are not familiar with him,
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he's the author
of over 40 books,
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and has been
featured on over 500 radio
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and television
programs, interviewed.
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Also has participated,
National Geographic,
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History Channel documentaries,
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speaking about the
Book of Revelation.
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And speaking about books, I
have one here that you wrote,
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not too long ago,
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it's called
Approaching Armageddon,
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Approaching Armageddon.
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I want to ask you
something about this book,
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but first I'd like to read
something really quick here.
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It says on page 91,
"To my readers, I say,
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Bible prophecy
is being fulfilled
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before our very eyes.
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The words of God
recorded in Daniel's book
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and in other Bible
books are now unlocked,
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unsealed and are easily
accessible for human eyes
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to read like never before.
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You have a personal conviction
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that we are living
in the time of the end
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and prophecies being
fulfilled before our eyes.
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That's why you wrote this
book Approaching Armageddon.
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Tell me
something about this book
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and what is your hope
as people read this book?
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Yeah, and that
book I discussed here,
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the last time I was
here, we talked about it.
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And essentially I wrote
it because the conviction
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just became overwhelming.
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As I looked at
what was continuing
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to develop in the
world that Jesus is coming
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and that prophecy is being
fulfilled in front of our eyes.
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So I wanted to make it simple.
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So that book is, I
call it Prophecy 101.
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It establishes
faith in the Bible.
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And then it looks
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at what's happening in the world
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and points to
the return of Jesus,
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the battle of Armageddon,
and how love will win
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and evil will go
down, gives people hope.
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So it's kind of
an entry level book
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to be given to people to
share and help them to learn
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what's happening in the world.
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Excellent. Excellent.
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You have also a little pamphlet
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that is talking about
the time we're living in.
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That's right.
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And it's about Coronavirus,
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obviously, and
it says what's next.
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Very small pamphlet,
people can get very easily.
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This can, also they can
get from White Horse Media.
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Yes, that's just a little tract
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that makes it very
simple to give away to people.
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I gave many away on the,
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on my trip here to the
person at the ticket counter,
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and the person that
dropped me off from the shuttle,
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I hand them a little track.
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So it's just a
simple track that,
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you know, people are
thinking about the virus
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and about all these crazy things
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that are happening.
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And they're
wondering, well, what's coming.
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And that book, or that
tract is simply a catchy cover,
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which leads into a
Bible study on the time
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when nobody can buy or sell,
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unless he has the
mark of the beast,
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and then what the mark
of the beast is all about.
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So it's just a little
simple study to plant seeds
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about what's
coming in the future.
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So our ministry,
John, White Horse Media
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is producing programs
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and material to
share with the world.
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That's what we're
all about. Excellent.
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Now, the reason you are
here is because you wrote a book
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called The 666 Beast Identified,
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and what is it?
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What does it means to you?
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So this is a captivating cover,
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written by
Pastor Steve Wohlberg.
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And why did you
write this particular book
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and what's in your heart?
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You have something to
share. We have two hours.
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Well, a little less now to
talk about this important topic.
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But why did you feel
the need to write this book?
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Right, I write books, John,
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based on what the
Holy Spirit convicts me
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about in my own personal study.
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And you mentioned
to me a little bit ago
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that you've got a number
of books on your list too,
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your mentalist
that you want to write
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about and probably there,
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because you've been
convicted that these are topics
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that need to be addressed.
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And so that's
what happens with me.
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As God works with me,
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I've developed
my writing skills.
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And so I write books based on
things that I've been studying.
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And Revelation Chapter
13, as most of us know,
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is a critical chapter.
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It talks about the rise
of the beast from the sea,
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and then there's a
beast from the earth.
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And then they both work together
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to enforce the
mark of the beast.
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And there's so
many of us that believe
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that we're getting closer
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to the final
verses in Revelation 13.
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And when you go
down right near the end,
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it talks about, in verse 16,
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that he would cause
all both small and great,
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rich and poor, free and bond
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to receive a mark
in their right hand
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or in their forehead,
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and that no man
might buy or sell,
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save he that had the mark,
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or the name of the beast,
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or the number of his name.
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And then it
says hear his wisdom,
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let him calculate that
number which comes out to 666
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which we'll talk about more.
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But anyway in
answer to your question,
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that conviction has
just been deep in my heart,
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that we're getting
closer to the final sequence
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in Chapter 13, Revelation 13,
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we're getting closer to the time
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when the mark would be enforced.
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And we also need to know,
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what is the name of the beast
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because it's
right in the sequence,
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and what is the
number of his name,
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which is right in the sequence.
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So I just feel like
as we're getting closer
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to those final events,
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God has been
impressing me about these verses
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that lead to 666.
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And so I've been studying this.
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And what I've
learned is so powerful,
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that I wanted to share it.
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And so that's why
I wrote this book.
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Excellent. Thank you very much.
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Well, you know,
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my wife and I were
in a Mexican restaurant,
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I think it was in
Texas, and we ordered our food
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and they gave us a
receipt with a number on it,
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Pastor Wohlberg.
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And when I looked at the number
they were going to call out,
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for us, it was 666.
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Now, I said to my
wife, "Look at this,
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this is very interesting."
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Now, we understand
about the number 666.
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So, but I believe someone
else may have looked at that
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and think I have the
mark of the beast now.
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So there's a lot of
confusion about this.
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And many theories are out there.
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For example, when
Ronald Reagan was president,
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because his name is
Ronald Wilson Reagan,
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and there are six
letters in his first name,
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six letters in his middle name,
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and six letters
in his last name,
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people were
saying, "He is the...
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He's got the mark of the beast.
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He's the beast."
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So there's confusion about that.
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Barack Obama, another individual
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that people
mentioned that has the beast
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or he's the beast power.
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Some people think
it's a computer chip.
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And recently is
circulating all over
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that the Coronavirus
or the vaccine is 666,
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and it has to do with
the mark of the beast.
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So, you have
written a book about this,
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we are going to spend
time digging into this
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so that all the
confusion can be cleared up.
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But before we do this,
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we need to go to
the Lord in prayer.
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This is a very important,
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vital topic for the
time we're living in.
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And we want to get
answers from the Bible,
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Pastor Wohlberg
has been studying
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and led by the Holy
Spirit to write this book
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so that we hope that
by the time you are done,
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you're saying, I
understand this topic.
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And you may want to
share this with others.
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So we encourage you to consider
getting copies of this book.
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Let's go to the Lord in
prayer and ask for His blessing.
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Let us pray together.
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Our loving Heavenly Father,
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we live in difficult times.
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There is every wind
of doctrine blowing.
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And Heavenly
Father, we don't want
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to rely on what people say.
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And even in this program,
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the things that your
children are going to hear
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we pray that they
will be like the Bereans,
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go to the Scriptures to
see if these things are true.
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We thank you so much
for the Holy Scriptures
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that are able to lead us
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to the light and
wonderful salvation.
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Help us to understand
what is coming upon us.
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There are a lot of
people asking questions.
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There are a lot of
people confused about the mark
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of the beast, what is this 666
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and what they
should do about it.
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Revelation 13 speaks of
this impacting the whole world.
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So it's a message for everyone.
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So we pray that You
will bless Pastor Wohlberg
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with Your Holy Spirit.
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And we pray that You
will guide him as he explains
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that it may be clear
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and that all
confusion will be eliminated.
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We pray that all honor
and glory be unto Your name.
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We thank You for
providing 3ABN the opportunity
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to broadcast this program.
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And we pray that it
will reach people in the time
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of great need and
in time of confusion
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so that they will understand
that You are our only hope.
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We ask You Heavenly Father
in Jesus' holy and blessed name.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen.
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Well, it's time to fasten your
seat belts for a Bible study.
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And we hope you
have your Bible handy
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to access it to follow along.
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And, Pastor Wohlberg,
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let's go from the beginning.
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Okay, sure. Thank you, John.
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And it was, you know,
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I appreciated your mentioning
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you being in the
Mexican restaurant
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and seeing that.
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It reminds me of my, our,
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we have a mutual
friend Doug Batchelor
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and he told a story once a while
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I think he was in a Walmart
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and he was going
to the check stand
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and the amount of
things that he had purchased.
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It came up on
the screen as $6.66,
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just a little purchase.
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And the lady who looked at that,
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Doug tells the story,
her eyes got really big.
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And he looked at her and said,
"Do you know what that means?"
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And she said, "No,
but I know it's bad."
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So, you know, that
was just an illustration.
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And the whole topic of
666 is all over the map.
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I mean, as you
mentioned, people are,
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they don't really
know what it means,
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but most people
have heard of 666.
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Yes.
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I think we have a
graphic on the screen,
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or we can put on
the screen of the time
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when the Dow
Jones Industrial Average
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went down 666 points in a day.
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And, you know,
people looked at that
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and they started
thinking, "Well, you know,
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maybe this is the
beginning of the final days,
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because they're 666."
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And again,
there's just, you know,
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there's so much
speculation about this,
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when Apple first
released its first computer,
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the price if I can
remember this right
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was $666.66.
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And so people thought,
well, maybe computers are evil.
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And people think of
666 connected to a barcode
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or Social Security or
people's names or etc.
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Etc.
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Most people have no
idea what it really means.
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So we're going to do
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is we're going to
look at the Bible,
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Revelation 13:18,
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and we're going
to really zero in
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on what this
verse actually says.
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And I think we
have a graphic also,
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just to put that up, okay.
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Verse 18 says, "Here is wisdom.
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Let him who has understanding
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calculate the
number of the beast,
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for it is the number of a man:
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and his number is 666,
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or, as the King James translate
this, the New King James,
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six hundred sixty and six.
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So that's the text.
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And the first, I
guess, the first point
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I want to make is that
God tells us in this verse,
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that we need
wisdom to understand it.
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And some people think
it's all just speculation,
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it's impossible
to understand it.
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But I don't buy that.
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Because this text, you
know, God is appealing to us,
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here is wisdom.
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And then He also says,
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let him that has understanding.
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So, John, that implies
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that we can be
wise on this topic,
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and we can have
understanding of this topic.
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And so that's critical as we
really just dissect the text.
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And then it says,
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let him who has
understanding count
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or some Bible say calculate,
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the number of the beast.
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So there's some counting,
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some calculation
that needs to be involved.
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You know, that's a pillar point.
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We just go, you
know, point by point
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and really look at this.
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We need wisdom from
God, we need understanding,
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and we need to
do some calculation.
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Yes, very
important. So, that is.
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And then it says, let him
count the number of the beast,
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which we'll look at it a little
while that we need to know
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who the beast is.
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You know, as you
mentioned Barack Obama,
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he used to be driven
around in a big black limousine,
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that people nicknamed the beast.
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And so people thought maybe
President Obama is the beast
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because he's driving
around in this big beast car.
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But Barack Obama doesn't fit
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all the biblical characteristics
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of the beast in the Bible.
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And so we have to
know who the real beast is.
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And then it
says, for it is also,
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it is the number of a man.
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And I'm going to build my case
that this is a specific man.
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This is not just
as some people think,
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mankind, man in general.
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It's not that,
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it's specifically a
man that is connected
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to the beast.
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So we need
wisdom, understanding,
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we need to calculate,
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we need to know
who the beast is.
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And it is also the number
of a man and then it says,
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and the reason why I
say a man is because it says
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and his number.
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So the number is specifically
connected to that man.
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His number is 600 three score,
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the King James says three score,
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a score is 20, so
three score is 60.
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And then it also says and 6.
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So the text, many
Bible say his number is 666.
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But you know, that's not
exactly what the text says.
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The text doesn't say
6, and then another 6,
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and then another 6,
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the text actually says 600,
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60, and 6.
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And there's a
subtle difference there
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and we'll go more into that,
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that, you know, some
people are looking for 666
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somewhere where
they're going to see 666.
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But the text doesn't say 666,
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it says 600, 60 and 6.
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You know, that's very
good that you say that
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because Ronald Reagan,
of course, is eliminated.
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That's right.
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Because his, the six
letters in his first name,
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six letters in the middle name,
00:20:01.96\00:20:03.33
six letters in the
last name is not 666,
00:20:03.37\00:20:06.27
it's just 6, 6, 6. Exactly.
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Also, by reading the text,
00:20:08.70\00:20:11.21
for people that are not
familiar with the scriptures,
00:20:11.24\00:20:13.84
we read there, that
is the number of a man.
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So the idea that it's a computer
00:20:17.21\00:20:18.85
or a computer chip
00:20:18.88\00:20:20.32
that has to be
thrown out the window,
00:20:20.38\00:20:22.22
and is not valid,
00:20:22.25\00:20:23.79
it cannot be a
computer or a computer chip.
00:20:23.85\00:20:27.02
So already, we see
some confusion clearing up
00:20:27.06\00:20:29.56
just by reading the text.
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That's right. Just by reading.
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And you're right.
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And these are all
critical points point by point.
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And you mentioned Ronald Reagan.
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And there are some people
that take a person's name,
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like Caesar, Nero
and different people,
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and they try to
use the numerical value
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and they come up with 666.
00:20:46.31\00:20:47.74
But all of those options
00:20:47.78\00:20:51.41
need to be eliminated,
00:20:51.45\00:20:53.95
unless that
beast and man lines up
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with every other characteristic
00:20:59.09\00:21:01.89
that is described in
Revelation Chapter 13.
00:21:01.92\00:21:04.89
And that's a critical
point that we're not just,
00:21:04.93\00:21:07.40
we don't want to
speculate and just,
00:21:07.40\00:21:09.36
you know, find
some man and some name
00:21:09.40\00:21:11.47
and then see if it
calculates out to 666
00:21:11.50\00:21:14.40
using the numerical value,
00:21:14.44\00:21:16.81
but we've got to find a beast
00:21:16.87\00:21:18.91
and a man that fits
all the characteristics
00:21:18.94\00:21:23.71
of this beast in Revelation 13.
00:21:23.75\00:21:26.82
And that's a key point.
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I have a question
then, I have a question.
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Okay.
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I saw a
documentary a few months ago.
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And they brought a person
they consider an authority
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on the Scriptures.
00:21:41.10\00:21:43.00
And the question
was asked about the 666.
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And you mentioned Nero.
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And the person that was supposed
00:21:51.31\00:21:53.54
to be an authority
on the Scripture said,
00:21:53.61\00:21:55.41
oh, this is Nero,
00:21:55.44\00:21:56.78
an individual that lived
several hundred years ago,
00:21:56.81\00:21:59.81
almost 2000 years ago.
00:21:59.85\00:22:01.25
Yeah, in the first century.
00:22:01.28\00:22:02.62
So you're saying
00:22:02.65\00:22:04.29
is not a man of the past.
00:22:04.32\00:22:07.46
You're saying is a man
of the future, not the past.
00:22:07.49\00:22:11.63
Well, yeah...
00:22:11.66\00:22:12.99
And then you mentioned something
00:22:13.03\00:22:14.36
about the characteristics,
because all the number 666
00:22:14.36\00:22:18.07
is just one characteristic.
00:22:18.10\00:22:21.24
There are others. That's right.
00:22:21.27\00:22:22.60
And we'll get into the
past, the present, the future,
00:22:22.64\00:22:25.07
but we'll put all
these pieces together.
00:22:25.11\00:22:26.68
But one of the common views,
00:22:26.74\00:22:30.55
as you mentioned, is Nero.
00:22:30.61\00:22:31.95
That's really a preterist view
00:22:31.98\00:22:33.62
that Nero was the
beast in the first century,
00:22:33.68\00:22:36.08
he persecuted Christians.
00:22:36.12\00:22:38.59
And if you, you
know, put together
00:22:38.62\00:22:40.62
Nero with Caesar or Caesarion,
00:22:40.66\00:22:43.29
you can calculate it out to 666.
00:22:43.32\00:22:45.46
And many people
think he's the guy,
00:22:45.49\00:22:47.13
he's the 666 man,
but he doesn't fit.
00:22:47.20\00:22:50.23
He doesn't fit. He doesn't fit
all the other characteristics.
00:22:50.30\00:22:53.20
And it's significant
that when he was alive,
00:22:53.27\00:22:57.04
and after that
period, for 100 or 200 years,
00:22:57.07\00:23:02.44
the early
Christians never associated
00:23:02.48\00:23:06.28
Revelation 13:18 with Nero.
00:23:06.31\00:23:09.95
So this is a
novel interpretation
00:23:09.98\00:23:12.79
and there's many of them.
00:23:12.82\00:23:14.16
And, John, I want our listeners,
00:23:14.19\00:23:15.92
our viewers to
know that I've looked
00:23:15.96\00:23:18.99
at many different
views on this topic.
00:23:19.03\00:23:22.20
And in my book,
666 Beast Identified,
00:23:22.23\00:23:25.47
I actually look at
nine different perspectives
00:23:25.50\00:23:30.17
on this topic.
00:23:30.21\00:23:32.04
And I'm convinced
00:23:32.07\00:23:33.44
that when you
really look at the text,
00:23:33.48\00:23:36.01
and you really, you know,
00:23:36.04\00:23:37.51
dissect it and
look at its details,
00:23:37.55\00:23:40.78
all the other
alternative theories
00:23:40.82\00:23:45.69
that have taken the place
of what I see as the true view,
00:23:45.72\00:23:50.53
they're just
eliminated, they don't fit.
00:23:50.59\00:23:53.46
Now, here's another key point.
00:23:53.50\00:23:55.33
And I know you probably
have questions as we go along.
00:23:55.36\00:23:57.30
Oh, yes, questions
will be coming to you.
00:23:57.33\00:23:58.87
In Revelation 15:2.
00:23:58.90\00:24:01.00
Revelation 15:2.
00:24:01.04\00:24:03.20
Yeah, 15:2, this
is a critical point.
00:24:03.24\00:24:06.51
15:2, John says,
00:24:06.54\00:24:08.14
"I saw as it
were a sea of glass,
00:24:08.18\00:24:10.55
mingled with fire.
00:24:10.58\00:24:12.31
And John saw this in
vision, and he saw them
00:24:12.35\00:24:15.72
that had gotten the
victory over the beast,"
00:24:15.75\00:24:19.82
which is the
beast of Revelation 13,
00:24:19.85\00:24:22.79
"and over his image,"
00:24:22.82\00:24:25.19
which comes in the
second part of Revelation 13,
00:24:25.23\00:24:28.13
the second half, "his
image and over his mark."
00:24:28.16\00:24:32.83
So the mark has to do
with the beast itself.
00:24:32.87\00:24:35.87
And then it says an
over the number of his name,
00:24:35.90\00:24:40.54
which calculates out to 666.
00:24:40.58\00:24:43.41
So when you look
at this carefully,
00:24:43.45\00:24:45.95
we have the beast mentioned,
00:24:45.98\00:24:47.52
which points us
back to Chapter 13.
00:24:47.58\00:24:49.72
And then it's his image,
00:24:49.75\00:24:51.95
it's an image of
the original beast.
00:24:51.99\00:24:54.49
Yes.
00:24:54.52\00:24:55.86
And then his mark,
the mark of the beast
00:24:55.89\00:24:57.53
is the mark of that first
beast 'cause it says his mark,
00:24:57.59\00:25:01.26
and then it says an
over the number of his name.
00:25:01.30\00:25:04.17
So when it says his name,
00:25:04.20\00:25:05.80
that points us back
to that first beast.
00:25:05.83\00:25:08.67
So 666 or 666
00:25:08.70\00:25:12.14
is connected to
that first beast.
00:25:12.17\00:25:14.34
And it also says that
00:25:14.38\00:25:16.18
it has to do with
the number of his name.
00:25:16.21\00:25:20.25
Yes.
00:25:20.32\00:25:21.65
So, we're looking for, we
need to find the right beast,
00:25:21.68\00:25:24.29
we need to find the
right man, his man, its man.
00:25:24.32\00:25:27.39
And then we need to know
what the number of his name,
00:25:27.46\00:25:31.09
he has a specific name that
is referred to in the Bible,
00:25:31.13\00:25:35.50
and then we need to count it.
00:25:35.53\00:25:37.43
And we need to calculate it,
00:25:37.47\00:25:39.03
which eventually
comes out to 666.
00:25:39.07\00:25:42.44
So when you look at this verse,
00:25:42.47\00:25:44.31
you know, it eliminates
a lot of other options.
00:25:44.34\00:25:47.04
And then it also tells us,
00:25:47.08\00:25:48.41
which we'll get into farther on,
00:25:48.44\00:25:50.01
is that we need
to figure out well,
00:25:50.05\00:25:51.78
how once we know what
the number of his name is,
00:25:51.81\00:25:55.62
how do we get the
victory over that?
00:25:55.65\00:25:58.99
What does that mean?
00:25:59.02\00:26:00.42
A good friend of
mine, asked me, he said,
00:26:00.49\00:26:02.76
"Steve, I've
asked a lot of people,
00:26:02.79\00:26:04.76
what that means
that we get the victory
00:26:04.79\00:26:07.40
over the number of his name?"
00:26:07.46\00:26:09.76
And he said, "Nobody knows."
00:26:09.80\00:26:11.90
Nobody that he's asked
knows the answer to that.
00:26:11.93\00:26:15.17
So we had a Bible study on that,
00:26:15.20\00:26:16.71
which we'll do
in a little while.
00:26:16.74\00:26:18.54
And we'll try to
decode the mystery.
00:26:18.57\00:26:20.18
So this is part of what's
coming during this program?
00:26:20.21\00:26:23.08
Exactly.
00:26:23.11\00:26:24.45
I want to remind our
viewers and listeners
00:26:24.48\00:26:25.81
that this is a two hour program,
00:26:25.85\00:26:28.12
we have half an hour,
00:26:28.15\00:26:29.48
about half an hour
left in this first part,
00:26:29.52\00:26:31.05
and we're going to
come back for a second part.
00:26:31.09\00:26:32.62
So make sure you don't
miss a minute of this program
00:26:32.65\00:26:36.52
so to receive the full blessing.
00:26:36.56\00:26:38.89
And so I want to
also add for those
00:26:38.93\00:26:40.70
that are
watching on Tuesday night,
00:26:40.73\00:26:42.36
that there's a rebroadcast
on Sunday at 3pm Central Time.
00:26:42.40\00:26:47.00
So just in case you
only saw part of it,
00:26:47.04\00:26:49.37
you can catch the full program
on Sunday at 3pm Central Time,
00:26:49.40\00:26:54.31
so make sure you do not miss it.
00:26:54.34\00:26:56.75
And if you can record
it, by all means, do so.
00:26:56.81\00:27:00.98
Pastor Wohlberg, the
question, now we need to,
00:27:01.02\00:27:04.95
we need to start unfolding this
00:27:04.99\00:27:07.09
so that people can
jot down the information,
00:27:07.12\00:27:10.06
continue
studying, and all important,
00:27:10.09\00:27:13.53
all important.
00:27:13.56\00:27:14.86
So this is something that
we are going to be facing.
00:27:14.93\00:27:18.50
What helps you understand
00:27:18.53\00:27:22.47
that this is something
that is coming very soon?
00:27:22.50\00:27:24.77
I mean, is it something that
we should be concerned about
00:27:24.81\00:27:29.08
for those of us
living right now?
00:27:29.11\00:27:31.15
Or is this
something way in the future?
00:27:31.18\00:27:32.78
We already, you
already established
00:27:32.81\00:27:34.32
that it's not in the past?
00:27:34.35\00:27:36.25
Is it way in the future?
00:27:36.28\00:27:38.02
Are there signs,
indicators that say,
00:27:38.05\00:27:41.56
it's going to be very soon?
00:27:41.59\00:27:43.43
I believe we are
getting very close.
00:27:43.46\00:27:46.03
And there's,
this is a big topic,
00:27:46.06\00:27:48.33
but I'm sure you know,
00:27:48.36\00:27:49.70
I mean, what's
happening in America,
00:27:49.73\00:27:51.07
what's happening in the world.
00:27:51.10\00:27:52.43
We look at the pandemic,
00:27:52.47\00:27:53.84
we look at various
signs of the times,
00:27:53.90\00:27:56.67
and many of us are
deeply aware of the fact
00:27:56.71\00:27:59.14
that our freedoms are
slowly disintegrating.
00:27:59.17\00:28:03.18
Yes.
00:28:03.21\00:28:04.55
You know, we see this
with the big tech companies
00:28:04.58\00:28:07.35
clamping down on freedom.
00:28:07.38\00:28:09.18
We see all kinds
of things happening
00:28:09.22\00:28:11.95
that our
freedoms are disappearing.
00:28:11.99\00:28:14.52
And Revelation 13:16-17
00:28:14.56\00:28:17.96
points to a time
when freedom is gone.
00:28:17.99\00:28:20.96
Because nobody will be able
to buy or sell this connected
00:28:20.96\00:28:24.83
to the world
economy unless they go along
00:28:24.87\00:28:27.67
with the mark or
the name of the beast
00:28:27.70\00:28:29.90
or the number of his name.
00:28:29.94\00:28:31.64
And so many people
in different churches
00:28:31.67\00:28:34.41
recognize that as
we look around us,
00:28:34.44\00:28:37.45
surely we're
getting closer to that time.
00:28:37.48\00:28:40.12
And I'm not a
prophet, I don't set dates,
00:28:40.15\00:28:41.82
I don't know exactly
when it's going to happen.
00:28:41.85\00:28:43.59
But I'm just convicted,
that time's running out
00:28:43.62\00:28:45.95
that we're getting
closer, and it won't be long,
00:28:45.99\00:28:48.39
until these
final verses kick in,
00:28:48.42\00:28:50.73
and freedom
completely disappears.
00:28:50.76\00:28:53.23
And this grand global solution
will be imposed upon the world,
00:28:53.26\00:28:58.57
in the name of
doing what is right,
00:28:58.60\00:29:01.40
you know, the common,
good trying to help everybody,
00:29:01.44\00:29:04.67
but it's going to be
as phony as a $3 bill.
00:29:04.71\00:29:07.81
It's going to be a proposal
from the devil, ultimately,
00:29:07.84\00:29:11.05
it's going to be deception,
00:29:11.08\00:29:12.45
that people will think
if they go along with it,
00:29:12.48\00:29:13.95
things are going to get better.
00:29:13.98\00:29:15.32
But it's really in the
middle of this is going
00:29:15.35\00:29:17.22
to be the mark of the beast.
00:29:17.25\00:29:18.59
And so, you know, I just think
that we're getting much closer.
00:29:18.62\00:29:22.29
And as I mentioned, as
I've been pondering this
00:29:22.32\00:29:25.23
and thinking about this,
00:29:25.26\00:29:26.59
and I look at these
last verses in Chapter 13,
00:29:26.63\00:29:29.43
I not only see
freedom disappearing,
00:29:29.46\00:29:31.50
I not only see seeing it
affecting the world's economy,
00:29:31.53\00:29:35.27
but I also see and buying
and selling being affected
00:29:35.30\00:29:39.44
and the enforcement of the mark,
00:29:39.47\00:29:41.04
but the name of the
beast surfaces as an issue,
00:29:41.08\00:29:44.71
and also the number of
his name that also surfaces.
00:29:44.75\00:29:50.39
So that's what led me to
really try to figure this out,
00:29:50.42\00:29:54.76
you know, I've been
praying and studying
00:29:54.79\00:29:56.26
and researching,
God has convicted me,
00:29:56.29\00:29:58.13
study this.
00:29:58.16\00:29:59.49
And once I feel like
all the lights went on,
00:29:59.53\00:30:01.46
based on what the text says,
and my research in the past,
00:30:01.50\00:30:05.70
and what's happening now,
what's coming in the future,
00:30:05.73\00:30:08.34
I felt like, I
got to write this book
00:30:08.37\00:30:10.97
and help people to understand.
00:30:11.01\00:30:12.37
And especially when we
deal with Revelation 15:2,
00:30:12.41\00:30:15.91
that describes a people that
get the victory over the beast,
00:30:15.94\00:30:20.88
the image, the mark,
and the number of his name.
00:30:20.92\00:30:23.49
I thought, you know, I
need to get the victory.
00:30:23.55\00:30:25.59
And I need to understand
00:30:25.62\00:30:26.96
what I'm getting
the victory over.
00:30:27.02\00:30:28.82
That's right. So that's
all part of this package.
00:30:28.86\00:30:31.19
That's right.
00:30:31.23\00:30:32.56
Well, Pastor Wohlberg,
apparently these people
00:30:32.59\00:30:34.03
that have the victory
over the mark or his name,
00:30:34.10\00:30:37.00
apparently, these are the people
00:30:37.03\00:30:38.37
that are saved,
that are with the Lord.
00:30:38.40\00:30:40.50
So it's important
to get the victory,
00:30:40.57\00:30:42.10
it's important to understand
00:30:42.14\00:30:44.04
that this is a
vital topic for everyone.
00:30:44.07\00:30:46.91
I also want to have the
victory because obviously,
00:30:46.94\00:30:49.54
if you don't,
you're not with the Lord.
00:30:49.58\00:30:52.81
This is very important.
00:30:52.85\00:30:54.18
So how about if we
go to Revelation 13,
00:30:54.25\00:30:56.28
because we read verse 18.
00:30:56.32\00:30:58.75
And it's kind of
leading us to understand
00:30:58.79\00:31:02.06
that this is
something vitally important.
00:31:02.09\00:31:05.03
And we need to
have this victory.
00:31:05.06\00:31:07.50
And who is this beast?
00:31:07.50\00:31:09.26
Is identifying this beast?
00:31:09.30\00:31:11.57
How about
unpackaging a little more?
00:31:11.60\00:31:13.50
This is one of the...
00:31:13.54\00:31:14.87
Let's go through
the characteristics
00:31:14.90\00:31:16.24
that are mentioned so
that we can get zero in,
00:31:16.27\00:31:19.21
as you say, focus
in on who this is.
00:31:19.24\00:31:21.44
That's right, exactly.
And that's a critical point.
00:31:21.48\00:31:23.81
As I've studied this,
it's become so clear to me
00:31:23.85\00:31:26.28
that in order to
understand Revelation 13:18,
00:31:26.31\00:31:30.65
and have wisdom
and understanding,
00:31:30.69\00:31:32.45
we need to know
who that beast is.
00:31:32.49\00:31:34.22
And once we look
00:31:34.26\00:31:35.59
at the characteristics
in the rest of the chapter,
00:31:35.62\00:31:39.96
then we're pointed
in the right direction,
00:31:40.00\00:31:42.13
then we know that
it's not Barack Obama's
00:31:42.16\00:31:44.23
big black
limousine, it's not Nero,
00:31:44.27\00:31:47.70
you know, who lived
in the first century,
00:31:47.74\00:31:49.77
we need to be directed
in the right direction.
00:31:49.80\00:31:52.67
And that is a
very important point.
00:31:52.71\00:31:54.64
And Revelation 13:18,
00:31:54.68\00:31:57.18
about the number of the beast
00:31:57.21\00:31:59.81
is really kind
of like the capstone
00:31:59.85\00:32:02.95
of this whole chapter.
00:32:02.98\00:32:04.89
It's one final identifying
00:32:04.92\00:32:08.79
mark or
characteristic of this beast.
00:32:08.82\00:32:12.89
And so, we have to look
at the whole chapter context,
00:32:12.93\00:32:16.00
and I'm sure you have too.
00:32:16.03\00:32:18.43
In my ministry,
00:32:18.47\00:32:20.00
I've made it a very
major priority in my life,
00:32:20.04\00:32:24.61
to really study
Revelation Chapter 13.
00:32:24.64\00:32:27.98
My book on 666
goes into it in detail.
00:32:28.01\00:32:31.31
I've written other books
that go into other details.
00:32:31.35\00:32:34.48
And when you read Revelation 13,
00:32:34.52\00:32:36.75
it describes this beast
rising up out of the sea,
00:32:36.79\00:32:39.42
and it has all these
different characteristics.
00:32:39.45\00:32:42.26
For those who study prophecy,
00:32:42.29\00:32:44.86
many of them realize
that the characteristics
00:32:44.89\00:32:47.60
of the beast in
Revelation 13 point you back
00:32:47.60\00:32:51.43
to Daniel Chapter 7
in the Old Testament.
00:32:51.47\00:32:54.37
That both
chapters talk about beasts,
00:32:54.40\00:32:56.74
both chapters
talk about 10 horns,
00:32:56.77\00:32:58.87
both chapters talk about
mouth speaking great things
00:32:58.91\00:33:02.51
and war on the saints,
and Revelation is like,
00:33:02.54\00:33:05.08
it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
00:33:05.11\00:33:06.95
We need to put the
puzzle pieces together.
00:33:07.02\00:33:09.22
And when you look at the
puzzle pieces of Chapter 13,
00:33:09.25\00:33:11.85
they clearly go
back to Daniel 7.
00:33:11.89\00:33:14.19
And we don't have time
to have a whole Bible study
00:33:14.26\00:33:17.13
on this completely.
00:33:17.16\00:33:18.69
But the
information is in the book,
00:33:18.73\00:33:20.23
but I'll just give
you some quick points.
00:33:20.30\00:33:23.63
Yes.
00:33:23.67\00:33:25.00
In Daniel 7, we have,
00:33:25.03\00:33:26.37
Daniel had a
dream of four beasts,
00:33:26.40\00:33:28.77
there was a lion like
beast, there was a bear,
00:33:28.80\00:33:31.11
a leopard, and a dragon
like beast with 10 horns.
00:33:31.14\00:33:34.54
And then this
little horn pops up,
00:33:34.58\00:33:37.01
who has a mouth
speaking great things
00:33:37.05\00:33:38.65
and makes war on the saints.
00:33:38.68\00:33:40.08
And in Daniel 7:23,
00:33:40.12\00:33:42.28
the angel clarified
that the fourth beast
00:33:42.32\00:33:45.29
is the fourth
kingdom upon the earth.
00:33:45.32\00:33:47.62
And most people who have
studied prophecy and history,
00:33:47.66\00:33:50.96
they recognize
that those four beasts
00:33:50.99\00:33:53.46
represent the great
kingdoms or nations of Babylon,
00:33:53.50\00:33:57.20
Persia, Greece and Rome,
four beasts, four kingdoms.
00:33:57.23\00:34:00.74
Daniel was living in
Babylon when he had the dream.
00:34:00.77\00:34:03.71
Archeology has confirmed
that a winged lion was a symbol
00:34:03.74\00:34:06.57
of ancient Babylon.
00:34:06.61\00:34:07.94
So Daniel was in Babylon,
00:34:07.98\00:34:09.61
and there was
the Babylonian beast,
00:34:09.64\00:34:11.61
then the Medo-Persian
beast, Persia conquered Babylon,
00:34:11.65\00:34:14.85
and then the Greek beast.
00:34:14.88\00:34:16.89
The Greeks,
00:34:16.92\00:34:18.25
under the leadership
of Alexander the Great,
00:34:18.29\00:34:19.69
conquered the Persians.
00:34:19.72\00:34:21.06
And then came the
Romans with their Caesars,
00:34:21.09\00:34:23.43
Augustus and Tiberius, etc.
00:34:23.46\00:34:26.70
And this is all
history, and its Bible history.
00:34:26.73\00:34:29.60
So the fourth beast
was the Roman Empire,
00:34:29.63\00:34:31.73
the mighty Roman Empire.
00:34:31.77\00:34:33.17
And then when it
finally went down,
00:34:33.20\00:34:35.04
it was divided among,
what the Bible calls 10 horns.
00:34:35.07\00:34:38.34
There were 10 horns
out of this that came out
00:34:38.37\00:34:41.24
of the head of this beast,
00:34:41.28\00:34:42.68
which represent
different nations
00:34:42.71\00:34:45.01
that divided up the
Roman Empire in the fourth,
00:34:45.05\00:34:47.65
fifth and sixth centuries,
00:34:47.68\00:34:49.12
leading to the collapse
00:34:49.15\00:34:51.32
of the imperial
government in Rome,
00:34:51.35\00:34:54.49
which was in 476 AD.
00:34:54.52\00:34:56.79
And then the text says that
this little horn would come up
00:34:56.83\00:35:00.36
among the 10,
00:35:00.43\00:35:02.23
that would have a
mouth speaking great things,
00:35:02.26\00:35:03.87
would make war on the
saints, would do various things.
00:35:03.90\00:35:06.94
And when you compare Daniel 7,
00:35:06.97\00:35:09.10
that little horn
with Revelation 13,
00:35:09.14\00:35:11.71
about the beast, the
beast also has a mouth
00:35:11.74\00:35:13.58
speaking great things,
00:35:13.61\00:35:14.94
the beast also
makes war on the saints.
00:35:14.98\00:35:16.64
You conclude that
the horn of Daniel 7
00:35:16.68\00:35:18.75
and the beast of Revelation
13 are the same power.
00:35:18.78\00:35:22.68
The same power. That's right,
just with different symbolism.
00:35:22.72\00:35:25.72
And Protestant scholars
in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s,
00:35:25.75\00:35:31.06
they looked at all of this.
00:35:31.09\00:35:32.66
And they finally concluded
that there's no other power
00:35:32.69\00:35:37.23
that fits every characteristic
of that little horn,
00:35:37.27\00:35:40.90
other than the Roman
Catholic Church system
00:35:40.94\00:35:44.71
as a system.
00:35:44.74\00:35:46.14
It's not talking
about the individual people,
00:35:46.17\00:35:48.18
because there's a
lot of and have been,
00:35:48.21\00:35:50.31
and are today godly
Roman Catholic people.
00:35:50.35\00:35:52.75
But it's the
system of Catholicism,
00:35:52.78\00:35:55.15
because the Roman Church,
00:35:55.18\00:35:57.39
the system did rise up
out of the Roman Empire.
00:35:57.45\00:36:00.82
That's why it's called
the Roman Catholic Church.
00:36:00.89\00:36:03.39
It did rise up
among the 10 horns
00:36:03.46\00:36:05.86
that divided up the Roman Empire
00:36:05.89\00:36:08.63
in Western Europe
settled in, and it was,
00:36:08.66\00:36:11.43
it made its
headquarters in Rome.
00:36:11.47\00:36:13.74
And then it did
have a man at the head,
00:36:13.77\00:36:16.50
like the scripture
says, he would have eyes
00:36:16.54\00:36:18.34
like the eyes of a man.
00:36:18.37\00:36:20.51
There was a man that
was eventually designated
00:36:20.58\00:36:22.68
as the head of this power,
00:36:22.71\00:36:24.61
which was given the
name the Papa or the Pope.
00:36:24.65\00:36:27.95
And he did make
great claims for himself,
00:36:27.98\00:36:30.72
which we'll look
at in a little while.
00:36:30.79\00:36:32.22
And then it also says
00:36:32.25\00:36:33.59
that the horn
made war on the saints,
00:36:33.66\00:36:35.22
and you look at history,
you look at the Inquisition,
00:36:35.26\00:36:38.03
you look at the reasons
00:36:38.06\00:36:39.39
why the Protestant
Reformation rose up in Germany.
00:36:39.43\00:36:42.50
And you can
just see this history
00:36:42.53\00:36:44.13
and the
Protestants looked at history,
00:36:44.17\00:36:46.07
they looked at what was
happening in front of them.
00:36:46.10\00:36:48.10
And they finally
concluded that the little horn,
00:36:48.14\00:36:51.41
which is the beast
is a perfect symbol
00:36:51.44\00:36:54.51
of the Roman
Catholic Church system.
00:36:54.54\00:36:56.61
And this was the
conclusion that Martin Luther
00:36:56.64\00:37:00.55
the monk of
Wittenberg, in the 1500s.
00:37:00.58\00:37:03.72
That's the
conclusion that he came to.
00:37:03.75\00:37:05.99
And I think we
have a quote from,
00:37:06.02\00:37:08.76
I'd like to put
this on the screen,
00:37:08.79\00:37:10.16
which is from a
classic Protestant history book
00:37:10.19\00:37:12.89
by d'Aubign,, and it's a
quote from Martin Luther,
00:37:12.93\00:37:16.13
where Luther, it's
actually a reference
00:37:16.16\00:37:19.27
to his ministry
and what he taught.
00:37:19.30\00:37:22.80
And so there is the book called
00:37:22.84\00:37:24.77
The history of the Reformation
00:37:24.81\00:37:26.14
in the 16th
century by Merle d'Aubign,,
00:37:26.17\00:37:28.98
and the quote is,
it says there that
00:37:29.01\00:37:30.85
Luther proved by the
revelations of Daniel,
00:37:30.88\00:37:34.88
from Daniel 7, and St. John,
00:37:34.92\00:37:36.99
which is in the
Book of Revelation,
00:37:37.02\00:37:38.69
by the epistles of St. Paul,
00:37:38.72\00:37:40.86
which we'll look at
later in 2 Thessalonians 2
00:37:40.89\00:37:43.63
from St. Peter and St. Jude,
00:37:43.66\00:37:45.39
that the reign of
Antichrist predicted
00:37:45.43\00:37:47.86
and described in the
Bible was the papacy.
00:37:47.93\00:37:50.97
And papacy, meaning the popes,
00:37:51.00\00:37:53.40
and all the people did say Amen!
00:37:53.44\00:37:55.30
A holy terror
seized upon their souls.
00:37:55.34\00:37:57.41
It was Antichrist,
00:37:57.47\00:37:58.84
whom they beheld seated
on the pontifical throne.
00:37:58.87\00:38:02.38
This new idea which
derived greater strength
00:38:02.41\00:38:05.05
from the prophetic descriptions
00:38:05.08\00:38:07.55
launched by
Luther into the midst
00:38:07.58\00:38:09.92
of his contemporaries,
00:38:09.95\00:38:11.29
inflicted the most
terrible blow on Rome.
00:38:11.32\00:38:14.76
And that is a fact of history.
00:38:14.79\00:38:16.42
There's a statue of
Luther from Wittenberg, Germany,
00:38:16.46\00:38:19.49
and I'd like to just,
00:38:19.53\00:38:20.86
let's take a look
at Revelation 13...
00:38:20.93\00:38:22.36
Before you do that,
00:38:22.40\00:38:23.77
can give us a little background
on who Martin Luther was.
00:38:23.80\00:38:27.54
He was, you said he
was a monk from where?
00:38:27.57\00:38:30.14
That's right. He was
actually a Roman Catholic.
00:38:30.21\00:38:32.87
He was a Roman Catholic priest.
00:38:32.91\00:38:34.44
He went to, he was
an Augustinian monk,
00:38:34.48\00:38:36.75
he trained to be a monk.
00:38:36.78\00:38:38.18
He eventually became a professor
00:38:38.21\00:38:41.08
at the University of
Wittenberg in Germany,
00:38:41.12\00:38:44.79
famous town, I
went to that town,
00:38:44.82\00:38:46.76
I saw his statue,
and he studied the Bible,
00:38:46.79\00:38:50.76
he began to protest against
the Roman Catholic practice
00:38:50.83\00:38:54.20
of issuing indulgences.
00:38:54.30\00:38:56.33
If you pay money
for an indulgence,
00:38:56.36\00:38:58.40
you can have all
your sins forgiven.
00:38:58.43\00:39:00.10
Luther had been
studying the Bible.
00:39:00.17\00:39:01.57
He looked at that practice
00:39:01.60\00:39:02.94
and as a good
Roman Catholic priest,
00:39:02.97\00:39:04.74
he said, but
that's just not right.
00:39:04.77\00:39:06.41
So in 1517, the
year 1517, he posted,
00:39:06.44\00:39:10.71
he nailed on to the
door of the castle church
00:39:10.78\00:39:14.05
in Wittenberg 95
protests against the practice
00:39:14.08\00:39:19.25
of indulgences.
00:39:19.29\00:39:20.62
And that really
was the launching
00:39:20.69\00:39:23.66
of what became
known as the Protestant
00:39:23.69\00:39:25.53
or Protestant Reformation.
00:39:25.56\00:39:28.46
And Luther was the
famous monk of Wittenberg,
00:39:28.50\00:39:33.17
who launched this reformation,
which eventually led,
00:39:33.20\00:39:37.21
it shook Europe
and it brought people
00:39:37.24\00:39:39.61
back to the Bible,
00:39:39.64\00:39:41.04
and eventually led to an Exodus
00:39:41.08\00:39:43.55
out of the Catholic
Church from millions of people
00:39:43.58\00:39:47.65
and they became Protestants.
00:39:47.68\00:39:49.38
And that's how
Protestantism and Catholicism,
00:39:49.42\00:39:53.12
you know, the
battle was engaged.
00:39:53.15\00:39:55.89
Now this is a...
00:39:55.92\00:39:57.26
This is very important,
very important to understand
00:39:57.33\00:39:59.73
that he was not somebody outside
00:39:59.76\00:40:02.30
of the Roman Catholic Church,
00:40:02.33\00:40:03.67
he was somebody
inside the Roman,
00:40:03.73\00:40:05.33
in fact, a priest in the church.
00:40:05.37\00:40:08.30
And he was horrified
when he saw the scriptures
00:40:08.34\00:40:12.24
and that his own church,
00:40:12.27\00:40:15.01
whom he was a priest of
fit all the descriptions.
00:40:15.04\00:40:19.28
Daniel Chapter 7, and
as you read in that quote,
00:40:19.31\00:40:22.48
he was horrified.
00:40:22.52\00:40:23.95
But you mentioned that it
was the Protestant Reformation,
00:40:23.99\00:40:29.62
Luther's plan, Luther's
desire was for the church,
00:40:29.66\00:40:32.79
the Roman
Catholic Church to reform.
00:40:32.83\00:40:35.26
That's right.
00:40:35.30\00:40:36.63
It was supposed to be an
effort to reform the church,
00:40:36.70\00:40:39.33
and the protest were
for them to look at them,
00:40:39.37\00:40:43.44
study them, and understand
00:40:43.47\00:40:45.31
that the church had
departed from the Bible.
00:40:45.34\00:40:48.84
They were practicing
things that were not biblical.
00:40:48.88\00:40:51.61
So his desire, his
hope, his prayer was,
00:40:51.65\00:40:55.18
the church will reform
and walk and live and teach
00:40:55.22\00:40:59.65
according to the
light of the Bible.
00:40:59.69\00:41:01.72
Unfortunately,
00:41:01.76\00:41:04.96
there was
resistance to these reforms.
00:41:04.99\00:41:07.00
That's right.
00:41:07.03\00:41:08.33
That's why there
was a separation.
00:41:08.36\00:41:09.96
That's right. Yeah.
00:41:10.03\00:41:11.37
If you look at the big picture,
00:41:11.40\00:41:12.87
the early church
started relatively pure,
00:41:12.90\00:41:16.34
preaching the
gospel around the world.
00:41:16.37\00:41:18.37
As history worked its
way down the stream of time,
00:41:18.41\00:41:22.51
a lot of traditions came in.
00:41:22.54\00:41:24.68
Eventually, the
Roman Catholic Church
00:41:24.71\00:41:26.58
rose up in Europe,
00:41:26.61\00:41:28.78
and became the dominant
form of Christianity in Europe.
00:41:28.82\00:41:33.82
We entered into history,
entered into the Dark Ages.
00:41:33.86\00:41:36.79
Most people back
there had never seen a Bible
00:41:36.83\00:41:38.63
in their lives because they
didn't have printing presses.
00:41:38.66\00:41:41.43
And so Bibles were copied by
hand and few people had them.
00:41:41.46\00:41:44.27
And so Europe was
wrapped in the Dark Ages.
00:41:44.30\00:41:46.87
And in 1450, approximately,
00:41:46.90\00:41:49.00
a German printer Gutenberg
invented the printing press.
00:41:49.04\00:41:52.91
Yes.
00:41:52.94\00:41:54.28
And so the first book off
the press was, guess what?
00:41:54.31\00:41:56.44
It was the Bible.
00:41:56.48\00:41:57.81
So the Bible began
00:41:57.85\00:41:59.18
to be printed for the first time
00:41:59.21\00:42:00.98
and circulate in
Europe and Luther
00:42:01.02\00:42:02.98
as a good Roman Catholic priest,
00:42:03.02\00:42:04.85
teaching in
Germany, in Wittenberg,
00:42:04.89\00:42:08.36
he got a hold of a Bible
00:42:08.39\00:42:09.72
and he began to study the Bible,
00:42:09.76\00:42:11.09
and Bibles began to
circulate in Europe.
00:42:11.13\00:42:13.16
And that's how, you
know, this consciousness
00:42:13.19\00:42:15.90
of what the Bible
actually says, grew.
00:42:15.93\00:42:19.17
And then Luther
looked at the traditions
00:42:19.20\00:42:20.97
of the church, and
what the Bible says,
00:42:21.00\00:42:23.00
realize that they
were not the same.
00:42:23.04\00:42:24.94
And as you mentioned,
his goal was not to start
00:42:24.97\00:42:27.94
a new movement.
00:42:27.98\00:42:29.31
His goal was to
reform the church he loved
00:42:29.34\00:42:32.31
and to bring it
back to the Bible.
00:42:32.35\00:42:34.28
But the Roman
Catholic hierarchy,
00:42:34.32\00:42:37.49
centered in Rome, resisted.
00:42:37.55\00:42:40.62
And then they began to put
the screws on Luther and said,
00:42:40.66\00:42:43.69
"If you don't give up
your ideas against indulgences,
00:42:43.73\00:42:47.30
and about the Bible,
00:42:47.36\00:42:48.70
you're going to be
burned at the stake."
00:42:48.73\00:42:50.80
And Luther was, he
was a tough nut to crack.
00:42:50.83\00:42:53.97
He was pretty bold.
00:42:54.00\00:42:55.34
And he finally
decided, all right,
00:42:55.37\00:42:57.54
if you're going
to make war on me,
00:42:57.57\00:42:59.11
I'm going to return the favor.
00:42:59.14\00:43:00.58
And I'm going to make war
on you based on Scripture.
00:43:00.61\00:43:04.08
And so, and the more he studied,
00:43:04.15\00:43:07.22
then he read verses
like Revelation 13:7
00:43:07.25\00:43:11.75
that talks about the beast,
00:43:11.79\00:43:13.19
that it would be given to
him to make war with the saints.
00:43:13.22\00:43:16.39
And Daniel 7:21
says the same thing
00:43:16.42\00:43:18.79
that the little horn
would make war on the saints.
00:43:18.83\00:43:21.66
And Luther learned about Jesus,
00:43:21.70\00:43:25.00
but as he saw the
reaction from Rome,
00:43:25.03\00:43:28.64
and then he began
to study prophecy,
00:43:28.67\00:43:31.01
he took the next step.
00:43:31.04\00:43:32.67
And the next step was
to not only discover Christ
00:43:32.71\00:43:36.24
in His Word,
00:43:36.28\00:43:37.78
but to identify Antichrist
that was against the Word.
00:43:37.81\00:43:42.15
That's a famous
Protestant statement
00:43:42.18\00:43:43.95
that Luther discovered
Christ and Antichrist.
00:43:43.99\00:43:46.82
And he realized that
the Roman Catholic Church
00:43:46.86\00:43:48.99
system centered in
the authority of the pope
00:43:49.02\00:43:51.36
was really against the Bible.
00:43:51.39\00:43:53.60
And so that's what
launched him in that quote
00:43:53.66\00:43:56.36
that I just put up
from d'Aubign,'s book,
00:43:56.40\00:43:58.10
that's just a classic quote,
00:43:58.13\00:43:59.47
many others we could find,
00:43:59.50\00:44:00.94
and there's a lot
of quotes in my book,
00:44:00.97\00:44:02.74
when the Protestants
put together the pieces,
00:44:02.77\00:44:05.71
and they realized
that the Roman Church
00:44:05.74\00:44:07.64
was the little horn,
and that it was the beast.
00:44:07.68\00:44:10.98
Then they realized we
can't reform this organization,
00:44:11.01\00:44:14.22
we got to get out.
00:44:14.25\00:44:15.68
And that's why they became,
00:44:15.72\00:44:17.62
there became
Protestant churches,
00:44:17.65\00:44:19.72
like the Lutheran Church
00:44:19.75\00:44:21.09
and the Methodist Church, etc.
00:44:21.12\00:44:22.59
Etc.
00:44:22.62\00:44:23.96
I'm sure Luther shed many tears,
00:44:24.03\00:44:25.36
as he saw that
they were not seeing
00:44:25.39\00:44:28.10
what the Bible says,
they were not accepting
00:44:28.13\00:44:29.90
what the Bible
says, he shed many tears.
00:44:29.93\00:44:32.23
And it was a painful decision
to say, we have to separate,
00:44:32.27\00:44:37.84
painful, painful.
00:44:37.87\00:44:39.21
That's right. And
so, take us through.
00:44:39.24\00:44:43.85
You already mentioned
some of the characteristics
00:44:43.91\00:44:46.48
pointing to Daniel Chapter 7.
00:44:46.51\00:44:48.78
And you're saying this
identifies specifically
00:44:48.82\00:44:52.85
the Roman Catholic Church.
00:44:52.89\00:44:54.22
That's right.
00:44:54.26\00:44:55.59
And for me, one of the capstones
00:44:55.62\00:44:56.99
of that identification
00:44:57.03\00:44:58.46
is back to Revelation 13:1-2.
00:44:58.49\00:45:02.56
John wrote 13:1-2,
00:45:02.60\00:45:05.93
"I stood upon
the sand of the sea.
00:45:05.97\00:45:07.44
And I saw beast
rising up out of the sea,
00:45:07.47\00:45:09.74
having seven
heads and ten horns,
00:45:09.77\00:45:11.74
and upon his horns ten crowns,
00:45:11.77\00:45:13.24
and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy."
00:45:13.27\00:45:16.04
And we'll come back to that.
00:45:16.08\00:45:17.45
There's a blasphemous
name at the head of this power.
00:45:17.48\00:45:20.92
And then verse 2 says,
00:45:20.95\00:45:22.28
"The beast which I
saw was like a leopard,"
00:45:22.32\00:45:24.09
meaning it
brought characteristics
00:45:24.12\00:45:25.95
in from Daniel 7's
leopard like beast,
00:45:25.99\00:45:28.02
which was Greece,
it had part of Greece,
00:45:28.06\00:45:30.76
thinking in it,
00:45:30.83\00:45:32.16
"and his feet were
like the feet of a bear,"
00:45:32.19\00:45:34.20
going back to
Daniel 7, the Persian bear,
00:45:34.20\00:45:36.40
it brought
Persian ideas into it.
00:45:36.43\00:45:39.17
"And then his mouth was
as the mouth of a lion."
00:45:39.20\00:45:41.40
Going back to
the lion in Daniel 7,
00:45:41.44\00:45:43.47
which was Babylon.
00:45:43.51\00:45:44.84
So it brought
Babylonian elements into it.
00:45:44.87\00:45:46.98
So this beast is a combination
00:45:47.04\00:45:48.74
of different
elements from the past.
00:45:48.78\00:45:51.01
And then it
says, and the dragon,
00:45:51.05\00:45:52.91
which was the
fourth beast of Daniel 7,
00:45:52.95\00:45:55.78
which was the Roman Empire,
00:45:55.82\00:45:57.15
you got Babylon,
Persia, Greece, Rome,
00:45:57.19\00:45:59.19
the fourth beast, and it says,
00:45:59.22\00:46:01.09
"The dragon gave to this
beast, this composite beast,
00:46:01.12\00:46:05.49
his power, and his
seat, and great authority."
00:46:05.53\00:46:08.20
Who is this dragon?
00:46:08.23\00:46:09.70
Well, the dragon is ultimately
the devil in the Bible.
00:46:09.73\00:46:12.17
But in the context of Daniel 7,
00:46:12.20\00:46:14.80
it's the fourth
beast in the sequence,
00:46:14.84\00:46:16.71
you've got the lion,
the bear, the leopard,
00:46:16.74\00:46:19.01
and then the dragon
00:46:19.04\00:46:20.38
and the dragon
was the Roman Empire,
00:46:20.41\00:46:21.81
Satan working
through the Roman Empire,
00:46:21.84\00:46:23.95
and the Roman Empire,
00:46:23.98\00:46:25.58
its seat of
government was in Rome,
00:46:25.61\00:46:28.05
its headquarters was in Rome.
00:46:28.08\00:46:30.29
And this text says that
the dragon would give his seat,
00:46:30.32\00:46:33.79
referring to his seat of
government to this beast.
00:46:33.86\00:46:35.72
And Protestants
put this together
00:46:35.76\00:46:38.23
and they realized, "Wow,
00:46:38.26\00:46:39.83
the little horn is
the Roman Catholic Church,
00:46:39.86\00:46:42.43
it's doing all the
things that prophecy says
00:46:42.46\00:46:44.60
it would have a mouth
speaking great things,
00:46:44.63\00:46:46.17
it would have a man at its head,
00:46:46.20\00:46:47.54
it would make war on the saints,
00:46:47.60\00:46:48.94
and its seat of government
would be right there in Rome,
00:46:48.97\00:46:53.01
the seat of the
ancient Roman Empire."
00:46:53.04\00:46:55.54
And they put all
these pieces together,
00:46:55.58\00:46:57.25
and they knew for sure,
and this is history, John,
00:46:57.31\00:46:59.81
this is basic history,
00:46:59.85\00:47:01.28
that the Roman Catholic
Church system fit the prophecy,
00:47:01.32\00:47:05.62
it was the
little horn of Daniel 7,
00:47:05.65\00:47:07.59
it was the man of
sin of 2 Thessalonians 2,
00:47:07.62\00:47:10.06
it was the woman
in Revelation 17,
00:47:10.09\00:47:12.79
riding the
beast, the harlot woman,
00:47:12.83\00:47:14.76
and it was the
beast of Revelation 13,
00:47:14.83\00:47:17.57
that when you go down
to the end of the chapter,
00:47:17.60\00:47:20.87
this is the beast
that has the mark,
00:47:20.94\00:47:25.07
and the name, and the number,
00:47:25.11\00:47:28.11
which calculates out to 666.
00:47:28.14\00:47:31.88
This is a fascinating study.
00:47:31.91\00:47:33.95
And, you know,
confusion is being cleared up,
00:47:34.02\00:47:36.99
because there is a lot of
confusion concerning this.
00:47:37.02\00:47:40.16
And you're saying this mark,
00:47:40.19\00:47:42.59
and the number 666 are
all part of the package.
00:47:42.62\00:47:47.66
Exactly.
00:47:47.73\00:47:49.03
All part of the
package, Revelation 13:18
00:47:49.06\00:47:51.47
that we started
out to study with?
00:47:51.50\00:47:53.74
Exactly.
00:47:53.80\00:47:55.14
And I think we
have another graphic,
00:47:55.17\00:47:56.50
we can put up
showing a picture of the pope
00:47:56.54\00:47:59.51
speaking in front
of the huge crowd,
00:47:59.54\00:48:02.24
as reported by
the New York Times.
00:48:02.28\00:48:05.41
And that's just a picture
that you can find pictures
00:48:05.45\00:48:09.12
like that in news
organizations around the world,
00:48:09.15\00:48:11.85
showing the
significance of the Vatican,
00:48:11.89\00:48:15.66
the significance of the pope,
00:48:15.69\00:48:18.16
and of his influence worldwide.
00:48:18.19\00:48:21.43
And so, you know,
we see this right now,
00:48:21.46\00:48:24.07
we see the influence of
the Roman Catholic Church
00:48:24.10\00:48:26.74
and the influence of the pope.
00:48:26.77\00:48:28.94
As, you know, as
big, it's mega big,
00:48:28.97\00:48:31.77
there's no politician,
there's no president,
00:48:31.81\00:48:34.38
there's no talk show
host, there's no music star,
00:48:34.41\00:48:38.41
there's no basketball
player, sports figure,
00:48:38.45\00:48:40.82
nobody who can gather a
bigger crowd than the pope.
00:48:40.85\00:48:45.42
And the fact of history is
that the Protestant Reformation
00:48:45.45\00:48:50.23
studied all of this,
and put the pieces together
00:48:50.26\00:48:54.10
and realized that
the beast is right here.
00:48:54.10\00:48:57.27
And its man is right here,
00:48:57.33\00:49:00.37
which is the man
00:49:00.40\00:49:01.84
who is the center of the system.
00:49:01.87\00:49:05.87
And that's what we
need to look more closely
00:49:05.91\00:49:08.18
at as we keep going
to identify the name,
00:49:08.21\00:49:11.91
and the number
that comes out to 666.
00:49:11.95\00:49:16.18
This is a fascinating...
This is a fascinating study.
00:49:16.22\00:49:18.72
And you're
pointing to Scripture,
00:49:18.75\00:49:21.49
but also you're
pointing to history.
00:49:21.52\00:49:23.46
Why do you point to history?
00:49:23.49\00:49:27.03
To get confirmation
from about the scriptures.
00:49:27.03\00:49:31.60
You're pointing to history,
00:49:31.63\00:49:32.97
things that have
already happened.
00:49:33.00\00:49:34.40
Right. And is this
some something secret?
00:49:34.44\00:49:36.91
Can people find
this information?
00:49:36.94\00:49:38.64
Oh, yes.
00:49:38.67\00:49:40.01
And the Bible is
basically I mean,
00:49:40.08\00:49:41.41
the Bible is God's book,
but it's also a history book.
00:49:41.44\00:49:44.75
Somebody once said,
history is His story.
00:49:44.78\00:49:48.98
That's what history is.
00:49:49.02\00:49:50.89
So it's the history of
God's working in the world.
00:49:50.92\00:49:56.22
And when you look at Babylon,
Persia, Greece and Rome,
00:49:56.26\00:49:59.06
this is a prophecy in Daniel 7.
00:49:59.09\00:50:02.06
But you can also
watch documentaries
00:50:02.10\00:50:04.77
on the History Channel about it,
00:50:04.80\00:50:06.13
you can go to any library.
00:50:06.17\00:50:07.74
Jesus, the Bible says
was born in Bethlehem.
00:50:07.77\00:50:10.37
It was predicted
in Micah 5:2 700 years
00:50:10.41\00:50:14.14
before Jesus was born,
00:50:14.18\00:50:16.28
that He would be
born in Bethlehem,
00:50:16.31\00:50:18.31
that He would be
betrayed by a friend
00:50:18.35\00:50:20.48
for 30 pieces of silver,
00:50:20.52\00:50:22.25
and that He would ride
into Jerusalem on a donkey.
00:50:22.28\00:50:24.59
And these are all prophecies
we don't have time to look at,
00:50:24.62\00:50:26.72
but they were
prophecies in the Old Testament,
00:50:26.76\00:50:28.62
that were fulfilled
in the life of Jesus,
00:50:28.66\00:50:30.96
and fulfilled in history.
00:50:30.99\00:50:32.69
And it's the same thing
with Daniel 7 and Revelation 13.
00:50:32.73\00:50:36.06
It talks about, you know,
00:50:36.10\00:50:37.87
the move of
Christianity into the Dark Ages,
00:50:37.90\00:50:41.24
the rise of a beast,
00:50:41.27\00:50:42.60
the rise of this
massive apostasy,
00:50:42.64\00:50:44.84
the rise of this little horn,
00:50:44.87\00:50:46.71
that would make
war on the saints,
00:50:46.74\00:50:48.11
whatever mouth
speaking great things
00:50:48.14\00:50:49.61
that would have eyes
like the eyes of a man,
00:50:49.64\00:50:52.98
meaning a man
would be at the head.
00:50:53.01\00:50:54.98
And all of these prophecies
00:50:55.02\00:50:56.95
we can see in
history had been fulfilled.
00:50:57.02\00:51:00.36
And that was part of what fueled
00:51:00.39\00:51:02.42
and sparked and ignited
00:51:02.46\00:51:04.73
the Protestant Reformation,
00:51:04.76\00:51:06.59
which really
continues to this day,
00:51:06.63\00:51:08.93
we consider
ourselves to be part of that,
00:51:08.96\00:51:12.43
you know, we're
holding up the torch.
00:51:12.47\00:51:14.97
And so, and this is
all part of Revelation 13,
00:51:15.00\00:51:18.94
when we finally get
down to hear his wisdom,
00:51:18.97\00:51:21.88
let him that has understanding,
00:51:21.91\00:51:23.71
let him count the
number of the beast,
00:51:23.75\00:51:26.28
which is the number of a man,
00:51:26.31\00:51:29.05
and his number is 666.
00:51:29.08\00:51:31.35
So we need to
know who the beast is,
00:51:31.39\00:51:32.99
we need to know what
that man, who that man is,
00:51:33.02\00:51:35.06
and then we need to know,
need to know what that name is,
00:51:35.09\00:51:37.49
and what the number is.
00:51:37.53\00:51:38.86
And that's what
we're going to do.
00:51:38.89\00:51:40.56
You know, Pastor Wohlberg,
we put a picture on the screen,
00:51:40.60\00:51:45.13
and letting
people know on the radio,
00:51:45.17\00:51:47.67
it was a picture of
the pope in the balcony
00:51:47.70\00:51:52.07
there in the Vatican.
00:51:52.11\00:51:53.54
And they were,
he was overlooking
00:51:53.61\00:51:57.61
about how many people, you know,
00:51:57.65\00:51:59.08
it's an estimate,
00:51:59.11\00:52:00.92
tens of thousands of
people that he was doing a Mass,
00:52:00.95\00:52:05.05
the Easter Mass it
said on the screen.
00:52:05.09\00:52:08.36
I find just like you
said there's no rock star,
00:52:08.39\00:52:11.43
no movie star, no singer,
00:52:11.46\00:52:13.70
anyone, not even
presidents can go to a country,
00:52:13.73\00:52:18.03
like the leader of
the Roman Catholic Church,
00:52:18.07\00:52:21.17
and draw as many
people, draw as many people.
00:52:21.20\00:52:25.51
And why do you think
there's this interest,
00:52:25.54\00:52:30.11
this massive amount
of interest in the pope
00:52:30.15\00:52:34.88
went to Jamaica, let's
say, the pope went to Cuba,
00:52:34.92\00:52:38.65
the pope went to Argentina,
00:52:38.69\00:52:42.29
why is there so much
interest in the pope?
00:52:42.32\00:52:45.29
Well, because he's...
00:52:45.33\00:52:46.66
He represents a religion
that has over a billion members.
00:52:46.70\00:52:50.50
So, he's got a lot of influence,
00:52:50.53\00:52:52.30
a lot of weight, a
lot of political power.
00:52:52.33\00:52:55.44
When the pope
speaks, people listen.
00:52:55.47\00:52:57.61
And again, we're not against,
00:52:57.64\00:52:59.87
you know, this program is not
against Roman Catholic people.
00:52:59.91\00:53:02.71
But we're looking at the system,
00:53:02.74\00:53:04.38
and we're looking at prophecy,
and we're trying to figure out
00:53:04.41\00:53:06.95
Revelation 13:18,
00:53:07.02\00:53:09.55
about the number of the beast.
00:53:09.58\00:53:10.92
Now, maybe
before we take a break,
00:53:10.99\00:53:12.72
or you're going to go
on, I just want to make,
00:53:12.75\00:53:14.49
hope we can get
another couple key points
00:53:14.52\00:53:15.86
in before we...
00:53:15.89\00:53:17.23
Well, you know, I wanted to say
00:53:17.26\00:53:19.93
the point you're
making is there's a verse
00:53:20.00\00:53:22.06
that says all the world
wondered after the beast.
00:53:22.10\00:53:25.60
Exactly. And it's true.
00:53:25.63\00:53:27.90
There is a point
to be made about this.
00:53:27.94\00:53:30.41
Like there's, he is the head
of a religious denomination.
00:53:30.47\00:53:34.81
That's right. Okay.
00:53:34.84\00:53:36.18
But he's also the
head of a country,
00:53:36.21\00:53:39.41
probably one of the
smallest countries in the world,
00:53:39.45\00:53:41.72
is the Vatican.
00:53:41.75\00:53:43.55
They have their own government,
00:53:43.59\00:53:45.39
their own system,
00:53:45.42\00:53:47.22
but they have no
army of their own.
00:53:47.26\00:53:51.13
But here's the point to be made
00:53:51.16\00:53:52.49
is that he's the head of
a religious denomination.
00:53:52.53\00:53:57.83
Can the head of the
Baptist Church go to a country
00:53:57.87\00:54:01.77
and all the media is wanting
to know where he's going,
00:54:01.80\00:54:06.98
who he's going to meet
with and follow him as they do?
00:54:07.01\00:54:10.95
No, there's nobody else.
00:54:10.98\00:54:12.31
No religious leader can
receive the media attention
00:54:12.35\00:54:16.69
that the Roman
Catholic pope receives.
00:54:16.72\00:54:19.65
Exactly.
00:54:19.69\00:54:21.02
And to me, this is,
that's what the Bible says,
00:54:21.06\00:54:24.13
the whole world
wondered after the beast.
00:54:24.16\00:54:26.33
And you're talking about
00:54:26.36\00:54:27.66
international
television channels that report
00:54:27.73\00:54:30.63
what the pope is doing.
00:54:30.67\00:54:32.00
We arrived in Guatemala
for an evangelistic campaign.
00:54:32.03\00:54:36.67
They told us, the hotel,
00:54:36.71\00:54:40.48
the hotel that was
sending the vehicle
00:54:40.54\00:54:44.11
to pick us up at the airport.
00:54:44.15\00:54:46.21
They said we cannot
pick you up until 8pm.
00:54:46.25\00:54:49.28
And we were
arriving like at 1pm.
00:54:49.32\00:54:51.79
Because the pope
had arrived that day
00:54:51.82\00:54:54.86
and all the streets were
closed to give him free access
00:54:54.89\00:54:58.83
to go to wherever he's going.
00:54:58.86\00:55:00.93
Can the head of any
denomination do that?
00:55:00.96\00:55:04.83
No. No, that's right.
00:55:04.87\00:55:06.50
They don't close the
streets for the President
00:55:06.53\00:55:08.97
of the United States,
the United States like that.
00:55:09.00\00:55:10.94
So this is a unique individual,
00:55:10.97\00:55:13.71
even by, let's say,
00:55:13.78\00:55:17.05
public opinion,
00:55:17.08\00:55:18.41
a unique individual
00:55:18.45\00:55:19.78
and there's no one
like that in the world,
00:55:19.81\00:55:24.19
the head of a
religious denomination,
00:55:24.22\00:55:25.92
and the head of a country.
00:55:25.95\00:55:27.29
That's right. Exactly.
00:55:27.36\00:55:28.69
And there is a scripture,
you kind of, you alluded to it,
00:55:28.72\00:55:31.06
that a woman is
riding the beast,
00:55:31.09\00:55:33.90
what does that
mean in Bible prophecy?
00:55:33.93\00:55:35.53
That's right.
00:55:35.56\00:55:36.93
Yeah, I've written a
whole book on that topic
00:55:36.97\00:55:39.03
about the bloody woman
and the seven headed beast,
00:55:39.07\00:55:41.14
and that's a whole other topic.
00:55:41.17\00:55:43.77
But Protestants saw that
woman being another symbol
00:55:43.81\00:55:46.64
of the Roman Catholic Church.
00:55:46.68\00:55:48.01
And you're right, I mean,
00:55:48.04\00:55:49.38
we're dealing with a
big subject, you know,
00:55:49.41\00:55:50.75
just kind of bring
things into perspective.
00:55:50.78\00:55:52.75
The Bible is the world's
all time bestselling book.
00:55:52.78\00:55:56.85
Its hero is Jesus Christ,
00:55:56.89\00:55:59.12
who's the most famous
person in all of history.
00:55:59.15\00:56:02.42
Christianity, his religion,
00:56:02.46\00:56:04.06
is the largest
religion in the world.
00:56:04.09\00:56:06.36
And the largest
form of Christianity
00:56:06.39\00:56:09.23
within the Christian world
is the Roman Catholic Church.
00:56:09.26\00:56:12.43
And the head of the Roman
Catholic Church is the pope.
00:56:12.47\00:56:15.37
And he is the politician
who has more influence
00:56:15.40\00:56:18.01
than any other human
being on planet Earth.
00:56:18.04\00:56:20.18
So that's what
we're dealing with.
00:56:20.21\00:56:21.61
And I'm convinced,
and we'll get into this,
00:56:21.64\00:56:24.68
that when we get
to Revelation 13,
00:56:24.71\00:56:27.02
and it tells us,
00:56:27.05\00:56:28.72
at the end of all of
these characteristics,
00:56:28.75\00:56:30.69
here's wisdom,
00:56:30.72\00:56:32.05
let him that has
understanding count the number
00:56:32.09\00:56:34.06
of the beast
for it is the number
00:56:34.09\00:56:35.56
of a man that it's the
man at the head of the system,
00:56:35.59\00:56:39.29
and his number is 660, and 6.
00:56:39.33\00:56:43.20
And so we'll go
deeper in the next section
00:56:43.23\00:56:46.07
and see if that number
applies to the pope or not.
00:56:46.10\00:56:50.27
And then what
does it mean to me?
00:56:50.31\00:56:52.04
What does it mean to me?
00:56:52.07\00:56:53.44
Well, we are
ending our first hour,
00:56:53.48\00:56:55.64
the first hour of this program.
00:56:55.68\00:56:57.51
And there's so much to cover,
00:56:57.55\00:56:59.58
as you have already
heard, and where we are going,
00:56:59.61\00:57:02.65
and we're going
to, as this book says,
00:57:02.68\00:57:05.92
we're going to identify 666,
00:57:05.95\00:57:09.86
what that is,
00:57:09.89\00:57:11.23
and what does it mean
to me as an individual?
00:57:11.26\00:57:14.93
Because, as we already
talked about in this program,
00:57:14.96\00:57:18.43
this impacts the whole world
00:57:18.47\00:57:21.07
and you are part of
the world, my friend.
00:57:21.10\00:57:23.17
So it's vitally
important that you listen,
00:57:23.20\00:57:25.81
and vitally important
00:57:25.84\00:57:27.18
that you consider
these things prayerfully
00:57:27.21\00:57:29.64
and understand
what your role should be
00:57:29.68\00:57:31.65
and what you should do,
00:57:31.68\00:57:33.05
because there is this part
that we have to get victory
00:57:33.08\00:57:36.55
over the beast, over
the name and over the number
00:57:36.58\00:57:39.42
and we're going to be right back
00:57:39.45\00:57:40.79
to continue this program.
00:57:40.86\00:57:42.19
We'll see you in a moment.
00:57:42.22\00:57:43.56