Welcome back to the second hour.
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We are so glad
to be here with you.
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I'm Shelley Quinn. JD Quinn.
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And our special guest
tonight is pastoring...
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And I want to say pastor,
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he is actually the
director of the Sabbath School
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and Personal
Ministries Department
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of the Michigan Conference
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of Seventh-day
Adventist Churches.
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Easier just to say pastor,
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but he's on
fire as you can tell,
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and we are talking tonight
about Sabbath School ALIVE!
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All caps with an
exclamation point after it.
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And what Kameron is
going to do in this hour,
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we're taking
your questions at 618,
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you can text questions,
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618-228-3975.
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And hey, he's a pastor.
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You can ask him any
question you want to,
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but we hope most of them
come in on Sabbath School,
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or you can email us
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live@3abn.tv.
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Kameron, we're so glad
you're here with us today.
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I understand that you
grew up playing the piano,
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play by ear and everything.
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So we're going to
slip this in real quick,
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because we love music.
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We're going to hear
again from Kendol Bacchus,
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and he's going to be
playing "Shepherd of My Heart."
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Well, I certainly, I enjoy that.
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He's, you know,
he's very gifted.
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Yes, he is.
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One thing that I
think a lot of people
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may have some misinformation
and you can clear this up.
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I think a lot of
people think that
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from a preliminary standpoint,
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there's an order in church
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and so our Sabbath
School time is the first step.
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It's just a
preliminary position.
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There you go, that
phrase right there,
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just a preliminary.
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That kind of raises
my hackles a little bit.
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Let me tell why?
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You hit a nerve, brother,
and here's what I'm thinking
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because Sabbath School
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is not a
preliminary service to church.
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Preliminary typically
means the unimportant stuff
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that only leads up to
the real thing, right?
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And so we come to
think of the Sabbath School
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as like an optional,
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it's like the
parsley on the plate.
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It's cute, it's nice,
it's good for certain people,
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but the real stuff
comes in church, right?
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And so we kind of get this idea
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that Sabbath
School isn't essential,
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that Sabbath
School is merely optional.
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And that's exactly what we see
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when we vote with
our feet, you know,
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typical Adventist
congregation will have,
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let's say a hundred
members on the books.
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Okay?
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How many of those actually
attend the worship service?
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Probably about 50. Okay?
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How many of those typically
attend the Sabbath School?
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Half again. Okay?
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Then go down to prayer
meeting. Let me attend that.
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So then how big is your church?
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See what I'm
saying, but we keep pushing
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all these other things
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as optional little
pieces of unessential,
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things that some people do
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or specialize when
the reality is that
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we get this concept that
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the worship
service is the only place
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where we're all
supposed to be there together,
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but everyone is
supposed to have a part
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in the Sabbath School.
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We should all be studying
our Bibles throughout the week.
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We should all be
fellowshipping together.
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We should all be doing outreach,
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listening to testimonies
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and having a testimony
to give ourselves, right?
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And that all happens
in the Sabbath School.
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And when you cut that
out of the Christian life,
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the fellowship and
the small group dynamic
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where there's accountability
and interest in your own like.
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One of the reasons people
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either love or
hate a large church
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is because you
can get lost in it.
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You can be just another
brick in the wall, you know,
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but that doesn't happen
in a small dynamic like that.
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And that's precious, it's sweet.
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And so there's
fellowship and accountability.
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There's deeper study.
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And as iron sharpens iron
that we talked about before
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and there's
opportunities to witness that
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are unique to
the Sabbath School.
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Plus like for instance,
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if I want to
invite and I don't know
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why we don't do this,
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but nobody invites
people to Sabbath School.
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If you ask your friend, hey,
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what time, if a friend asks you,
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what time does
your church start?
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Nine times out of 10,
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they're going to say
11 o'clock and not 9.30.
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When every local church
has a Sabbath School program,
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but it never even
dawned on Sabbath School people
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to invite them, you know?
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But the thing is,
and I'm not saying
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stop inviting people to church,
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but I'm saying
start inviting people
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to Sabbath School
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and they can stay
for church, right?
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That come be
with our friend group
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that we meet with
and we study the Bible,
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we hear
exciting mission reports.
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We pray for one another.
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We have, we socialize
outside of this, right?
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It's a... Can I
add one more thing?
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We talk about church growth.
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And oftentimes when we
get into public evangelism,
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we talk about,
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are they ready to
be baptized or not?
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You're either a
member of the church
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or you're not a
member of the church.
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Friends, you can be a
member of the Sabbath School
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without being a
member of the church.
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Yes. You can be
a regular attender.
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And I know in the places
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where Sabbath
School is growing well,
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it's not just because
a lot of Adventists go,
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it's because that's
where they bring their friends
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who aren't Adventist,
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but they feel a
sense of belonging
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to this family dynamic
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when they haven't had
to make the commitment
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that they may
not be ready for yet,
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or may not fully understand.
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That's beautiful.
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But you know what I'm saying,
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It's a bridge
into the body of Christ
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through this less
threatening, less intimidating,
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smaller group
fellowship dynamic,
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where I can ask my questions
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and I can see
the Bible in a pace
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that I can appreciate, not
just listening to a sermon.
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You see what I'm saying?
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So it's designed
to be an opportunity
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for individuals to
practice personal ministry
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and bring people in.
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Let's talk, let's
get really practical
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because somebody
may be sitting at home
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and saying,
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well, they, my Sabbath
School class is boring,
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or we just got a great question.
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We're going to get to
this question that says,
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in our local church,
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whenever we're discussing
Sabbath School lesson,
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it often leads to
theological debates.
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What are your thoughts on this?
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But before we get to that,
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it's the opportunity, you know,
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I don't think I've
ever invited anybody
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at Sabbath
School, that's terrible.
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The confession is
good for the soul, right?
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But hard on the reputation.
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But you know, that
small group dynamic
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is something
that would probably,
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people would be more comfortable
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rather than just hearing someone
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when they're seeing the
answers in the Bible themselves.
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I think part of the problem is,
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one, people don't
study their lessons
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before they come
to sit, you know,
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the Sabbath School,
the adult study guide was,
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is provided for every member.
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So that, and if
you're not a member,
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you can go to absg.adventist.org
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and download a copy.
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But it's provided
so that you will have
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a bite-size
Bible study every day
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during the week.
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It's something that
your Sabbath School lesson
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is there to drive
you into the Bible.
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Now, sometimes some
people at Sabbath School
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practically are
just reading the lesson.
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Others maybe lose
control to someone in the class
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who wants to do all the
talking and they haven't studied
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or there's these
theological debates,
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let's get practical.
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Let's unpack a few of them
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because there was a
lot of elements as an onion
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we just talked about,
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let's peel it back a little bit.
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Okay.
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I think the first one we talked
about was theological debate.
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Now debate is one
thing. Discussion is fine.
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Debate may not be
where we want to go, right?
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A point, counterpoint.
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We're not here to like
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arm wrestle in a spiritual sense
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or something like that.
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But we do want to have
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lively understanding
and dynamic, you know,
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engagement by
members of the Sabbath School
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with their teacher.
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But you also mentioned
something being boring, right?
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And I think that
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somehow this
urban legend has crept
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into our
collective thinking these days
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and that the way to
make a Sabbath School
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more interesting
because by the way,
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let me share a
statement with this.
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Listen to this,
Christian Service, page 211.
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I want to be patently clear.
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Our Sabbath School
should be more interesting.
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Yes.
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So shall our worship services,
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our evangelism meetings
our prayers, everything.
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She says this,
Christian Service, page 211.
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"Our meetings should be
made intensely interesting.
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They should be pervaded
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with the very
atmosphere of heaven.
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Let there be no
long dry speeches
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and formal prayers
merely for the sake
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of occupying the time."
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She goes on,
"All should be ready
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to act their
part with promptness.
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And when their duty is done,
the meeting should be closed."
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Right? So do a
thing and then be done.
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But there's a pacing of this
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that needs to not just be formal
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and just going
through the motions
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and to hollow ceremony, right?
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She says, "Thus, the interest
will be kept up to the last.
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This is offering to
God acceptable worship.
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His service should be
made interesting and attractive
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and be allowed to
degenerate into a dry form."
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And that's the right
objective to aim toward.
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Now, how do you get there?
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Sometimes people have said
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in order to be more interesting,
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we need to be more entertaining.
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Well, that's not
what we're talking about.
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Okay?
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Nor have an,
especially in the study dynamic
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of the Sabbath
School, like the entertaining
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might be a temptation
in the corporate worship.
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Yeah, let's get more things,
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lights and sound into
all this kind of stuff.
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But in the study session,
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how do you make a
Sabbath School study group
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more interesting.
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Most people would say,
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what you do is get out of
this linear pew situation.
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Let's get everybody
sitting in a circle.
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There's nothing
wrong with circles.
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Okay. I'm fine with circle.
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But what typically that means is
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I'm also not going to
be the teacher anymore.
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I'm just going to
be the facilitator.
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I'm just going
to be the moderator
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and whatever you guys, we
want to get more engagement.
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We want to get more contribution
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and more voices,
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you know, into the discussion,
which has its place for sure.
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But sometimes when
the teacher aggregates
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that role of teaching,
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what you end up with
is what the scripture
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calls the sacrifice of fools.
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Okay.
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Now I'm going to,
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anytime I've tried
to learn this lesson,
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anytime I say something
controversial sounding,
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I want to make sure that
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I'm quoting inspiration
and I'm just behind them.
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Okay?
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But if you go to
Ecclesiastes Chapter 5,
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I want to show
you this passage here.
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My good friend,
my associate director
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in the Sabbath School
Personal Ministries Department,
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Mark Howard.
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Pastor Mark Howard
pointed this passage out.
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Yes, we worked together
and we'll get back to that
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because I want to talk about
talking points in a minute.
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But for right now,
Ecclesiastes Chapter 5,
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listen, carefully
what's being described here
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verse 1 says, "Walk prudently
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when you go to
the house of God."
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Now let's time out.
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We're going to demonstrate
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a little Bible study right here.
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Notice the context
of this is not just
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when you walk by the way
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or when you go
to work or whatever,
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it's specifically
about going to church, right?
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Walk prudently when
you go to the house of God
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and draw near, that is draw near
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to the house of
God for what purpose?
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To hear rather than to
give the sacrifice of fools.
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So he's juxtaposing two things,
you're either going to hear,
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or you're going to give
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what he calls the
sacrifice of fool.
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And he explains what that is.
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For they do not
know that they do evil,
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and he explains what that is.
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Verse 2, "Do not be
rash with your mouth
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and let not your heart utter
anything hastily before God."
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We would probably in our
common parlance call that
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shooting from the lip or being,
having the gift of gab, right?
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"For God is in
heaven and you are on earth,
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therefore let
your words be," what?
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"Few.
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For a dream comes
through much activity
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and a fool's voice is
known by his many words."
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Now Sister Shelley, going
back to your original question
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about doctrinal debates
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and discussions, disputes, okay?
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I don't know if you've run
into this phenomenon or not,
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but you kind of
alluded to it a minute ago.
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People will oftentimes
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not study their lesson,
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yet have strong opinions
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about anything that's discussed.
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They'll say like, look,
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I didn't studied
the lesson this week,
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but I have a very
strong, like what are you doing.
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Right, if you haven't
studied the Word of God,
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if you haven't looked
up some, you know contexts,
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and some cross-referencing,
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haven't looked it up
in the Spirit of Prophecy.
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You haven't done your homework
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and legwork to
come to that idea,
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you're just offering
your uninformed opinion
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when that it, by seems to fit
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the definition of
the sacrifice of fools.
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So I think comment
in the class is good.
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Discussion is good,
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but just my opinion
versus your opinion,
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debate and debate.
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Well, what I
think, and I think that,
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I don't care what
you think in a Jesus
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loves you kind of way.
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You know what I'm saying?
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But I care what
the Bible thinks.
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When it comes to
issues of doctrine and faith
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and practice and
righteous living,
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whatnot, I want to know
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what inspired Word
has to say to me, right?
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And so that's the
goal of the Sabbath School
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is to get us into the Word.
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Now, there can be good dynamic.
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There can be
questions that can be offered,
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but sometimes the
other thing is the teachers,
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again, abdicate
that responsibility
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to keep the discussion on focus.
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And now we're just
chasing theological rabbits.
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You know, we're going
down every little corner
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and every little avenue
and people leave saying,
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I heard 1600 opinions,
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and I'm not more edified than,
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you know, there's a
lot more heat than light
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was produced by this, right?
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Yeah.
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And so I think that
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we need to put the
school back in Sabbath School.
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Amen.
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That it's not just a corporate
round table opinion fest.
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What it needs to be
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is a guided
dynamic interesting study
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of the Word of God.
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But that's the question,
I mean, you just hit on,
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it's the study
of the Word of God.
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We're not studying
the Sabbath School,
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what we call the quarterly...
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The quarterly, now I remember,
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yeah, you're
paranoid, aren't you?
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The Adult Bible Study Guide,
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it's there to
drive us into the Bible.
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But so often people will go,
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okay, now on Tuesday's
list, oh, on Wednesday's list.
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Yes. Well, let's...
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I know, were you
going to come to a question?
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I'm sorry, I just
started cutting you off
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because I got a
lot to say about it.
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Go ahead. But
just think about it.
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This, the topic, for instance,
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this quarter is
the covenant, right?
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And it's a
beautiful study from Genesis
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all the way to
the end of the Bible
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about God's
relationship, His contractual,
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His covenantal
relationship with His people.
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It's loaded with great material.
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Okay?
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Now, each week, the lesson study
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is broken into seven increments,
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each corresponding
to a day of the week.
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Do you think that the
contributor to that lesson
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when he was writing it out
thought in seven day blocks?
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Of course not.
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He had like one overarching,
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you know, theme for
that week or a topic,
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or had a couple of main points
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he wanted to hit in that week,
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but you have to
divide it into seven,
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because one of the purposes
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of the study
guide is to help people
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get in the habit
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of regularly daily
studying their Bible.
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But we have taken
the seven day format
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to think that
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that's how we're supposed
to teach it in the class.
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That our job is to start
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with Sabbath
afternoon's illustration,
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and then go to Sunday's point
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and then go to
Monday's point and then go to,
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that there are seven
equally important points
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scattered evenly
throughout the week.
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And the point of
the Sabbath School class
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is to rehearse those for us.
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No, it's not.
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You were supposed to have
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studied your
Sabbath School lesson,
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and the teacher would
have done the same thing.
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And through his
study or her study,
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or, and your study, you
should be able to draw out
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from the scriptures
these important themes.
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Now, we have a program,
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I told you I was going
to come back to this called
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Talking Points.
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Let me give a
background about this.
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So when the pandemic hit
and our churches locked down
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and everything
shifted online very quickly.
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Pastor Howard and I started
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a weekly Sabbath School program
where, hey, if you can't have
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a Sabbath School
at your local church,
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we're going to have a
Michigan option for you here.
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Okay?
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And we would actually do,
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and we remodeled
the mission program,
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we'd have a
global mission spotlight.
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And then we'd interview
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some conference
director of some work
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that's going on and, you know,
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Pathfinders or
literature or camp,
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whatever the thing is.
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And then we talk about
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here's a personal
ministry resource.
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So we modeled
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the little 20
minute mission program.
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And then we go
into the Bible study
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and go through
that week's lesson.
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When churches began to reopen,
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we got a lot of input
from people being like,
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whatever you do,
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don't stop going over
the lesson and people,
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because what we would
do is break it down into,
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and now that the
program has gotten rid of those,
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because we're not trying to take
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the place of Sabbath School,
we're trying to be a support
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to the local Sabbath School.
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So every local
Sabbath School is great.
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I know I'm on 3ABN,
but I don't think people
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should be getting
their church from 3ABN.
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I don't think people should
be getting their Sabbath School
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from 3ABN or from us
either, they should be
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going to their local
church as much as possible.
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Now I understand we've
got COVID restrictions.
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People are
different circumstances,
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and we won't have all
the qualifiers out there,
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but ideally we would fellowship
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with one another in
the local church context.
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Okay? So...
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Let me just hit the pause button
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for just a second.
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That's why we air
Sabbath School panel
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on several different evenings.
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There you go.
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What we air Sabbath morning
is just intended for people
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who can't make it to church.
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Exactly.
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So again, praise the
Lord for media ministries,
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and I
contribute to that as well.
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So I want to be clear,
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but the goal, at
least from our department
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isn't to take the place
of, it's to be a support for.
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And so we have a program now,
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and you can find it,
follow it on YouTube,
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the Emanuel
institute's YouTube page,
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or go to michigansspm.org
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That's our Michigan
Conference Sabbath School
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and Personal Ministries website.
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And you can find the episodes
of what we call Talking Points,
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but it doesn't go
through the Sabbath afternoon,
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Sunday, Monday format.
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And there's nothing wrong
with those programs that do.
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But what we draw out
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is what are the
three big takeaway points.
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If I were going to be
teaching this lesson this week,
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and some Sabbath Schools
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only have a few
minutes to do it,
00:24:11.05\00:24:12.38
some have a full hour
or more to do it, right?
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But it's scalable,
like, so I could take,
00:24:14.62\00:24:16.52
I could summarize
these three points
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in five minutes if I had to,
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or we could spend
the full hour on it.
00:24:19.72\00:24:21.42
But basically
like Monday and Tuesday
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seem to talk about this.
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Or there was
this point over here
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for Tuesday and Thursday
kind of brought this together,
00:24:26.29\00:24:28.30
but you're not a slave
00:24:28.33\00:24:29.86
to the seven day
sequential format
00:24:29.90\00:24:33.30
because our goal isn't
to plod through how many,
00:24:33.34\00:24:36.34
by the way,
Sabbath School classes
00:24:36.37\00:24:38.37
you've been in
00:24:38.41\00:24:40.04
and all the
discussions up front,
00:24:40.08\00:24:41.41
it goes on and on and on.
00:24:41.44\00:24:42.78
And the bell rings like,
00:24:42.81\00:24:44.15
well, we only get
past Tuesday, you know?
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And there was some good
stuff in Thursday, right?
00:24:46.51\00:24:48.52
And so the teacher
should have the role of saying,
00:24:48.55\00:24:51.42
what are the
things I want to draw
00:24:51.45\00:24:52.92
out of this week's lesson
00:24:52.95\00:24:54.76
that if I have a
lot of time or a little,
00:24:54.79\00:24:56.12
we're going to
make sure to cover,
00:24:56.16\00:24:57.49
and that's where
it's going to be quality.
00:24:57.53\00:24:58.86
And if you, and by the
way if the teacher didn't hit
00:24:58.89\00:25:01.80
on your favorite point, so what?
00:25:01.83\00:25:04.80
It's okay, you studied it,
00:25:04.83\00:25:06.53
you got the
blessing and you know what?
00:25:06.57\00:25:08.40
You could have a conversation
with your friends and say,
00:25:08.44\00:25:10.01
hey, there was another thing
in the Sabbath School lesson.
00:25:10.04\00:25:11.81
Let's talk
about. Praise the Lord.
00:25:11.84\00:25:13.58
It's fodder for
your own further study,
00:25:13.61\00:25:15.91
but the teachers should teach,
the students should study.
00:25:15.94\00:25:19.88
There should be a
dynamic engagement
00:25:19.91\00:25:22.75
of conversation back and forth,
00:25:22.78\00:25:24.12
but it should be
focused on the topic at hand
00:25:24.19\00:25:27.26
and not head off into
the wilderness of debate.
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It seems like probably
the personality of the teacher
00:25:30.46\00:25:34.30
probably would rule that.
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By the way, pastor,
00:25:37.47\00:25:38.80
let me interject this
real quick, Brother JD.
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How many local churches
00:25:41.30\00:25:42.64
actually teach their
Sabbath School teachers
00:25:42.67\00:25:44.47
how to do Sabbath School stuff?
00:25:44.51\00:25:46.11
Yeah. Almost none.
00:25:46.14\00:25:48.71
And the reason a
lot of people do,
00:25:48.74\00:25:51.48
whether it's a
Sabbath School format
00:25:51.51\00:25:53.01
or the style of teaching,
00:25:53.05\00:25:54.45
or the go into the
lesson the way that it,
00:25:54.48\00:25:55.95
whatever it is, how
did they come up with that?
00:25:55.98\00:25:58.39
Because they
watched somebody else do it.
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That's exactly.
00:26:01.16\00:26:02.49
You know, I used to,
00:26:02.52\00:26:03.86
we talk about
training center churches a lot
00:26:03.89\00:26:05.63
in our department here
because we want, you know,
00:26:05.66\00:26:08.56
church should be a
school where you go and learn
00:26:08.60\00:26:11.27
how to be a
missionary for Jesus, right?
00:26:11.30\00:26:13.57
And Mrs. White has
this powerful quote.
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She said, "Every church
should be a training school
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for Christian workers."
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And I say amen. Amen.
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And then it dawned on me.
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You know, every church
already is a training school,
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whether we intend to
or not, we teach people,
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we model, we
exemplify the unspoken cues
00:26:32.42\00:26:37.13
of what makes our church run
00:26:37.16\00:26:38.93
and what makes our
Sabbath School operate,
00:26:38.96\00:26:41.00
how it goes, when it goes,
00:26:41.03\00:26:42.40
what time it goes, who
does where, where you sit.
00:26:42.43\00:26:45.43
There's no lecture on
it, but everybody learns it.
00:26:45.47\00:26:47.94
You know what I'm saying?
00:26:47.97\00:26:49.30
And the same thing happens
with Sabbath School teaching,
00:26:49.34\00:26:51.04
and superintending,
00:26:51.07\00:26:52.41
and outreach or evangelism,
00:26:52.44\00:26:53.78
anything that we do
in the local church,
00:26:53.84\00:26:55.18
we often just do it
00:26:55.21\00:26:57.31
because that's how
the other person did it.
00:26:57.35\00:26:59.25
And they learned it
from the person before.
00:26:59.28\00:27:00.95
So I think
there's a lot of like,
00:27:00.98\00:27:02.88
we've created a mold,
some of which is fine,
00:27:02.92\00:27:06.45
but a lot of it
may be very good,
00:27:06.49\00:27:07.82
but it's done
almost instinctively
00:27:07.86\00:27:11.06
instead of by conviction and by,
00:27:11.09\00:27:13.83
like I see the need for this
00:27:13.86\00:27:15.20
and we're going
to do it this way.
00:27:15.23\00:27:16.67
And I would think that
00:27:16.70\00:27:18.03
that's one of the goals
of Sabbath School ALIVE!
00:27:18.07\00:27:20.27
Yes, absolutely.
Well, Sabbath School ALIVE!
00:27:20.34\00:27:22.60
Thank you for bringing that up
00:27:22.64\00:27:24.01
because you started
A-L-I-V-E exclamation point.
00:27:24.04\00:27:26.61
And if you go to
alive.adventist.org
00:27:26.68\00:27:31.08
that is the General Conferences
Sabbath School ALIVE!
00:27:31.11\00:27:34.72
Program.
00:27:34.75\00:27:36.08
You can find all the
resources for it there.
00:27:36.12\00:27:37.49
And this was,
00:27:37.52\00:27:38.85
this is not a
Michigan conference thing.
00:27:38.89\00:27:40.22
We're just partnering
00:27:40.26\00:27:41.59
with the General
Conference in this initiative.
00:27:41.62\00:27:43.53
But, and I've heard
people talk about like,
00:27:43.56\00:27:45.53
ooh, that's a radical change.
00:27:45.56\00:27:46.90
I don't know if our
church is ready for it.
00:27:46.93\00:27:48.23
Some people might
get upset if we try.
00:27:48.26\00:27:50.23
So what is the format?
00:27:50.27\00:27:51.60
Okay, very
simply, we're advocating,
00:27:51.63\00:27:55.30
encouraging people
to have mission focus
00:27:55.34\00:28:00.14
with a Bible study foundation
00:28:00.21\00:28:02.54
in the format of
small group fellowship.
00:28:02.58\00:28:05.48
Okay? Very simple.
00:28:05.51\00:28:06.95
That means how do
you put mission back
00:28:06.98\00:28:09.25
as the focus of Sabbath School?
00:28:09.28\00:28:10.75
We have a mission program,
a brief, not preliminary,
00:28:10.82\00:28:14.89
because it's not
the unimportant stuff
00:28:14.92\00:28:16.26
on the side plate,
00:28:16.29\00:28:17.66
but it's
essential, but it's succinct.
00:28:17.69\00:28:19.69
Okay? It gets
right to the point.
00:28:19.73\00:28:21.53
Good morning, friends,
here's our mission spotlight
00:28:21.56\00:28:23.87
and we're off, right?
00:28:23.90\00:28:25.23
Then you hit that
00:28:25.27\00:28:26.60
local
conference or congregation.
00:28:26.63\00:28:27.97
Here's what our women's ministry
00:28:28.00\00:28:29.34
is doing right now.
00:28:29.37\00:28:30.71
Come up and
give a report, right?
00:28:30.74\00:28:32.07
We hear a good testimony
right in our own backyard.
00:28:32.11\00:28:34.31
Then by the
way, before we close,
00:28:34.34\00:28:36.01
we need to have our
own missionary movement.
00:28:36.04\00:28:37.45
Every one of us needs to be...
00:28:37.48\00:28:38.81
We want to encourage you
00:28:38.85\00:28:40.18
to distribute Great Controversy.
00:28:40.22\00:28:41.55
This is our
sharing book this year,
00:28:41.58\00:28:42.92
and we're going to put
as many in homes as we can,
00:28:42.95\00:28:44.72
but basically
you can do that thing
00:28:44.75\00:28:46.45
in 15 minutes, right?
00:28:46.49\00:28:48.06
Just knock it out
00:28:48.09\00:28:49.52
and then move
into your small groups.
00:28:49.56\00:28:52.29
Now, if every
small group, by the way,
00:28:52.33\00:28:54.00
also had a mission
project of their own,
00:28:54.00\00:28:55.43
they could spend
just a couple of minutes
00:28:55.46\00:28:56.83
talking about that.
00:28:56.87\00:28:58.20
And then each
Sabbath School group
00:28:58.23\00:28:59.57
could report in the
mission program, right?
00:28:59.60\00:29:01.17
And it feeds like a
funnel back and forth.
00:29:01.20\00:29:03.74
So have a mission program
00:29:03.77\00:29:05.91
integral to your Sabbath School.
00:29:05.94\00:29:07.31
Now I typically tend to see that
00:29:07.34\00:29:08.84
as the first thing
you do off the bat,
00:29:08.88\00:29:10.38
but if people want to mix it up,
00:29:10.41\00:29:11.75
that's fine, but make sure that
00:29:11.78\00:29:13.11
mission is the
focus of Sabbath School.
00:29:13.15\00:29:14.52
But the foundation,
00:29:14.55\00:29:15.88
the big block is
always going to be
00:29:15.92\00:29:17.42
that Bible study and prayer,
00:29:17.45\00:29:19.05
that digging into
the Word of God together,
00:29:19.09\00:29:21.82
and all done in the
format of a small group,
00:29:21.86\00:29:24.06
dynamic, a fellowship.
00:29:24.09\00:29:25.66
And obviously this works
00:29:25.69\00:29:29.53
because our denomination
is 150, 180 years old.
00:29:29.56\00:29:35.47
And it's always
been mission driven.
00:29:35.50\00:29:37.91
Yes. It's always
had Sabbath School.
00:29:37.94\00:29:41.14
So it might just
take a little tweaking.
00:29:41.18\00:29:45.85
And honestly what we're not...
00:29:45.88\00:29:47.35
It's not some turning the tables
00:29:47.42\00:29:48.78
over radical
upending of all things
00:29:48.82\00:29:51.32
you've ever known
Sabbath School to be.
00:29:51.35\00:29:52.79
It's not that, it's
simply realigning with
00:29:52.82\00:29:55.29
what we
understand from the Bible
00:29:55.32\00:29:57.43
and the Spirit of
Prophecy and from, you know,
00:29:57.46\00:29:59.49
just the practical
results of Adventist history.
00:29:59.53\00:30:01.80
What we've seen work
is if the Sabbath School
00:30:01.83\00:30:04.33
is focused on mission,
standing on a solid foundation
00:30:04.37\00:30:08.74
of Bible study in a format that
00:30:08.77\00:30:10.67
people want to invite
their friends to fellowship,
00:30:10.71\00:30:12.84
that is a winning combination.
00:30:12.87\00:30:15.51
And I believe the
Lord will breathe life,
00:30:15.54\00:30:17.31
but a lot of Sabbath Schools
00:30:17.35\00:30:18.68
have jettisoned
any plenary program,
00:30:18.71\00:30:21.12
any platform program at
all, or if they have it,
00:30:21.15\00:30:23.85
it's just what we call
superintendents' remarks.
00:30:23.89\00:30:25.79
And it's a chicken soup
for the soul type of like
00:30:25.82\00:30:27.56
a little devotional
reading that they came up with,
00:30:27.62\00:30:29.19
but it's a little, or
they might have a specimen.
00:30:29.22\00:30:30.79
And it basically comes
a tiny little miniature,
00:30:30.83\00:30:32.83
not as well done
church service, right?
00:30:32.86\00:30:35.23
And there's like,
00:30:35.26\00:30:36.60
why do you even have this thing?
00:30:36.63\00:30:37.97
It's just a platform.
00:30:38.00\00:30:39.33
Well, if you've
lost that mission focus,
00:30:39.37\00:30:41.20
then it just becomes, you know,
00:30:41.24\00:30:43.64
sounding gong or
clanging cymbals sometime
00:30:43.67\00:30:45.71
and no wonder people.
00:30:45.74\00:30:47.11
So I understand the reason
00:30:47.14\00:30:48.84
why people wouldn't either
get rid of the plenary program
00:30:48.88\00:30:52.31
or just do this one thing.
00:30:52.35\00:30:53.95
But what happens is
it becomes very insular
00:30:53.98\00:30:57.55
and it's just a specialized
study group for the people
00:30:57.59\00:31:02.36
who care enough to
come to Sabbath School.
00:31:02.39\00:31:05.39
No, and... Go ahead.
00:31:05.43\00:31:07.30
I just was going to
say, I think the problem is,
00:31:07.30\00:31:11.10
as you're talking,
00:31:11.13\00:31:12.77
it seems to me
that people have lost
00:31:12.80\00:31:14.94
their spiritual
passion for mission.
00:31:14.97\00:31:17.87
So all of a
sudden it's sort of like,
00:31:17.91\00:31:20.74
that's the mission story.
00:31:20.78\00:31:22.11
Let's get into the Bible study
where I'm going to benefit.
00:31:22.14\00:31:25.71
I think we've lost
our spiritual commitment.
00:31:25.75\00:31:30.49
It's...
00:31:30.55\00:31:33.32
We've become
lukewarm in that area.
00:31:33.36\00:31:34.69
Yes.
00:31:34.72\00:31:36.06
Almost like the
Bible anticipated
00:31:36.09\00:31:37.49
that problem and
outlined it in scripture, right?
00:31:37.53\00:31:39.89
But we have to remember
that the message of the church
00:31:39.96\00:31:42.60
that we love so dear
00:31:42.63\00:31:44.43
is one side or the
other side of the coin,
00:31:44.47\00:31:46.77
which is the
mission of the church,
00:31:46.80\00:31:48.20
which is to share it.
00:31:48.24\00:31:50.47
This concept that I am
a Seventh-day Adventist
00:31:50.54\00:31:54.04
because I hold to these beliefs
00:31:54.11\00:31:55.64
and I study it
for myself that I...
00:31:55.68\00:31:57.58
Well, praise the Lord
that you are in the faith,
00:31:57.61\00:31:59.58
but there's somebody else
who needs your voice to go
00:31:59.61\00:32:01.75
share with them, right?
00:32:01.78\00:32:03.12
And so we become the Dead Sea
00:32:03.15\00:32:04.79
when it all flows in,
but it doesn't flow out.
00:32:04.82\00:32:07.66
And a lot of times
that's Sabbath School
00:32:07.69\00:32:11.16
is seen as the study group for,
00:32:11.19\00:32:13.90
you know, the dedicated saints
in the church who care in,
00:32:13.93\00:32:17.33
when it's not
supposed to be merely that,
00:32:17.37\00:32:19.13
of course, it's
supposed to be a Bible study,
00:32:19.17\00:32:21.07
but the purpose of the
study is not just to know more
00:32:21.10\00:32:24.81
or double-check
or debate for strife
00:32:24.84\00:32:26.74
and, you know, discussion.
00:32:26.78\00:32:28.84
It's to grow in my faith
00:32:28.88\00:32:31.85
as I share my faith with others.
00:32:31.88\00:32:33.88
Plus you're daily involved.
00:32:33.92\00:32:36.95
Yeah. I mean, if...
00:32:36.99\00:32:40.22
If you're studying your
Adult Study Bible class.
00:32:40.26\00:32:42.52
That's exactly.
00:32:42.56\00:32:43.89
I mean, daily you're involved
00:32:43.93\00:32:45.46
maybe this is a
weak area over here.
00:32:45.49\00:32:47.86
Maybe you don't
have the best teacher
00:32:47.93\00:32:50.00
but you are daily
involved studying yourself.
00:32:50.03\00:32:54.30
Yes.
00:32:54.34\00:32:55.67
And the good news
that I'm being reminded,
00:32:55.70\00:32:59.61
it's good for you.
00:32:59.64\00:33:02.34
Good for Sabbath School ALIVE!
00:33:02.38\00:33:04.38
Okay?
00:33:04.41\00:33:05.75
Being that this
is a good reminder.
00:33:05.78\00:33:08.38
Maybe I forgot
00:33:08.42\00:33:09.75
what it was to
be mission minded.
00:33:09.78\00:33:12.59
Got a great
question right here to me.
00:33:12.62\00:33:14.82
Let's looking at a mega church.
00:33:14.86\00:33:16.36
Okay. Mega churches.
00:33:16.39\00:33:19.49
And I'm sure there's
still many mega churches out.
00:33:19.53\00:33:22.96
Okay?
00:33:23.00\00:33:24.33
But they get
everybody in and every,
00:33:24.37\00:33:26.50
but yet they're losing
members right and left.
00:33:26.53\00:33:29.44
Are they concentrating
on the right things
00:33:29.47\00:33:31.61
or what would you think on this?
00:33:31.64\00:33:34.34
Well interestingly enough,
there haven't been a lot of...
00:33:34.38\00:33:37.51
I mean, I'm not exactly sure
00:33:37.55\00:33:39.11
what the borders of
a mega church would be,
00:33:39.15\00:33:41.62
if it's a couple
of thousand members,
00:33:41.65\00:33:43.15
10,000, because nowhere
00:33:43.18\00:33:45.19
in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:33:45.22\00:33:46.55
that I'm aware of has
one of those stadium churches
00:33:46.59\00:33:48.62
with 20, 30, 50,000 people.
00:33:48.66\00:33:51.03
But...
00:33:51.06\00:33:52.39
Let's look at a
20,000 member church
00:33:52.43\00:33:55.43
or 15,000 member church.
00:33:55.46\00:33:57.97
They're filling the church up.
00:33:58.00\00:33:59.83
Mega churches are kind of
going out of vogue right now.
00:33:59.87\00:34:03.51
Okay?
00:34:03.54\00:34:04.87
And one of the reasons why,
00:34:04.91\00:34:06.24
and a lot of them,
you know, I have some...
00:34:06.27\00:34:08.18
You know, have some
interesting statistics
00:34:08.21\00:34:11.21
on this like, you know,
00:34:11.25\00:34:14.02
one of the most
well-known was the Willow Creek
00:34:14.05\00:34:16.38
and that kind of, you know,
00:34:16.42\00:34:18.95
now there's hill
song and fellowship
00:34:18.99\00:34:20.46
and community churches
00:34:20.49\00:34:21.82
and these kinds of
things that are denominational,
00:34:21.86\00:34:23.93
but you wouldn't
really know so much.
00:34:23.96\00:34:25.46
That's kind of a brand church,
like this mega church branding.
00:34:25.49\00:34:28.40
And interestingly
listen to this statement,
00:34:28.43\00:34:31.80
this is Bill Hybels, by the way,
00:34:31.83\00:34:33.84
the founder of the
Willow Creek community church
00:34:33.90\00:34:36.04
in his book
reveal, where are you?
00:34:36.07\00:34:38.81
It says this, much
of the methodology...
00:34:38.84\00:34:41.98
Sorry, we made a mistake,
okay he has this opening.
00:34:42.01\00:34:45.58
"We made a mistake,
what we should have done
00:34:45.61\00:34:47.48
when people
cross the line of faith
00:34:47.52\00:34:48.85
and become Christians,
00:34:48.88\00:34:50.25
we should have
started telling people
00:34:50.29\00:34:51.62
and teaching
people that they have to
00:34:51.65\00:34:52.99
take responsibility
to become self-feeders.
00:34:53.02\00:34:56.89
We should have gotten people,
we should have gotten people,
00:34:56.93\00:35:01.20
taught people how to read
their Bible between services,
00:35:01.23\00:35:04.30
how to do the spiritual practice
00:35:04.33\00:35:05.83
as much more
aggressively on their own.
00:35:05.87\00:35:07.64
Now we probably have
00:35:07.67\00:35:09.00
a lot of
theological disagreements,
00:35:09.04\00:35:10.41
but in practical terms,
00:35:10.44\00:35:11.77
what he's saying
is essentially that
00:35:11.81\00:35:13.24
they just tried
to grow the church
00:35:13.27\00:35:15.51
without growing the people.
00:35:15.54\00:35:17.05
Yeah.
00:35:17.08\00:35:18.41
And, you know, the
interesting thing is
00:35:18.45\00:35:20.22
I have heard in the past,
00:35:20.25\00:35:21.58
some people have
actually sent somebody
00:35:21.62\00:35:26.22
from their church
to go and check out,
00:35:26.25\00:35:29.22
how did they do
all of this, you know?
00:35:29.26\00:35:31.09
And it's like,
okay, have a coffee shop,
00:35:31.13\00:35:33.06
have a theme or have this.
00:35:33.09\00:35:35.00
And it didn't produce fruit.
00:35:35.03\00:35:38.20
It may have
brought a leafy bush,
00:35:38.23\00:35:41.97
but it didn't produce.
00:35:42.00\00:35:43.37
Right.
00:35:43.41\00:35:44.74
And to be clear,
that's not a pejorative term
00:35:44.77\00:35:46.11
from the outside,
00:35:46.14\00:35:47.48
looking in as a
scolding reprimand.
00:35:47.51\00:35:48.84
This is from the inside,
they're the one's saying,
00:35:48.88\00:35:50.31
you know what?
00:35:50.35\00:35:51.68
Again, we made a mistake.
00:35:51.71\00:35:53.05
We were looking at it like
00:35:53.08\00:35:54.42
we were just
trying to draw a crowd
00:35:54.45\00:35:55.78
and get the numbers up
00:35:55.82\00:35:57.15
and to their credit
that's what you want to do.
00:35:57.19\00:35:58.69
You see churches on the climb,
let's see what we can grow.
00:35:58.72\00:36:01.22
But the real
growth of the church
00:36:01.26\00:36:02.79
is not going to be quantitative.
00:36:02.82\00:36:04.26
It's going to be qualitative.
00:36:04.29\00:36:05.96
Right, we want to see
people become more like Jesus.
00:36:05.99\00:36:08.30
And through
their devotion to him
00:36:08.33\00:36:10.60
and His work,
00:36:10.67\00:36:12.07
the church will grow
through their labors, right?
00:36:12.10\00:36:14.50
So we do want to see
quantity growth in the church,
00:36:14.54\00:36:17.81
but we always
want it to be based on
00:36:17.84\00:36:19.47
quality growth of the members.
00:36:19.51\00:36:21.78
So they have a
spiritual maturity
00:36:21.81\00:36:24.08
that will draw others in.
00:36:24.15\00:36:25.48
During the first hour
you mentioned something
00:36:25.51\00:36:27.32
about once
learned, always learned,
00:36:27.35\00:36:29.15
the one who says,
00:36:29.18\00:36:30.52
well, I've heard this, you know,
00:36:30.59\00:36:33.46
I'm going to take
something in this again,
00:36:33.49\00:36:35.42
confession is good for the
soul and hard on the reputation.
00:36:35.46\00:36:41.76
We learn to teach,
but we teach to learn.
00:36:41.80\00:36:48.00
Sometimes I will go through
00:36:48.04\00:36:51.27
and really get into a deep study
00:36:51.31\00:36:54.54
and you know what?
00:36:54.58\00:36:55.91
I can put
together the best message
00:36:55.94\00:36:59.21
and maybe just teach it once.
00:36:59.25\00:37:02.22
And it'll be a year later
00:37:02.25\00:37:05.85
that I'm looking
through something
00:37:05.89\00:37:07.39
and I find it and I'm going.
00:37:07.42\00:37:09.19
Oh, wow, that was good.
00:37:09.22\00:37:11.09
If we don't share
00:37:11.13\00:37:12.96
what you were
saying about the Dead Sea.
00:37:12.99\00:37:14.96
If all we do is take in
00:37:15.00\00:37:17.60
and what God
intended is, He said,
00:37:17.63\00:37:21.84
go and make it
the great commission,
00:37:21.87\00:37:24.31
Matthew 28, He
said, "Go make disciples,
00:37:24.34\00:37:27.91
teaching them to obey everything
00:37:27.94\00:37:31.15
that I've commanded."
00:37:31.18\00:37:32.68
So the way, you know,
00:37:32.71\00:37:34.58
when you're afraid of
not knowing the answer,
00:37:34.62\00:37:38.19
I've watched this
man grow so quickly
00:37:38.22\00:37:41.09
when we first came here
00:37:41.12\00:37:42.79
because he was
sharing the Word with others
00:37:42.82\00:37:46.90
and it was like,
00:37:46.93\00:37:48.33
then it was
cemented in his heart.
00:37:48.36\00:37:50.13
And I mean it
was the same for me.
00:37:50.17\00:37:51.50
I think that's
true for all of us.
00:37:51.53\00:37:53.10
Amen.
00:37:53.13\00:37:54.47
Can I give you a little
piece of scripture for that?
00:37:54.50\00:37:56.27
Sure.
00:37:56.30\00:37:57.64
If you go to the Book
of Hebrews Chapter 5, okay?
00:37:57.67\00:38:00.51
Now, oftentimes we
kind of relegate Hebrews
00:38:00.54\00:38:03.18
as a theological book
00:38:03.21\00:38:04.58
about the high
priestly ministry of Jesus,
00:38:04.61\00:38:06.15
which certainly
is, but, friends,
00:38:06.18\00:38:08.65
don't forget the practical
side of the Book of Hebrews.
00:38:08.68\00:38:11.52
Okay? Now I'll
give you one example.
00:38:11.55\00:38:13.89
In Hebrews Chapter 5,
00:38:13.92\00:38:15.86
he's hitting some
pretty deep themes
00:38:15.89\00:38:17.59
about the ministry of Jesus
00:38:17.66\00:38:19.03
and the heavenly
sanctuary as the,
00:38:19.06\00:38:21.33
like a
Melchizedek priesthood type,
00:38:21.36\00:38:23.37
it's deep stuff, right?
00:38:23.40\00:38:25.07
But look at how
he kind of closes
00:38:25.10\00:38:26.77
that section, verse 11.
00:38:26.84\00:38:28.44
Speaking of the
Jesus as a high priest
00:38:28.47\00:38:30.41
and the order of
Melchizedek, he says verse 11,
00:38:30.44\00:38:33.01
"Of whom we have much to say
00:38:33.04\00:38:35.04
and hard to explain
00:38:35.08\00:38:36.61
since you have
become dull of hearing."
00:38:36.64\00:38:40.05
Now, that's a
pretty scathing rebuke,
00:38:40.12\00:38:42.98
but what does he mean?
00:38:43.02\00:38:44.35
Well, keep reading, verse 12,
00:38:44.39\00:38:45.89
"For though, by this
time you ought to be teachers.
00:38:45.92\00:38:50.33
You need someone
to teach you again,
00:38:50.36\00:38:52.49
the first principles
of the Oracles of God.
00:38:52.53\00:38:54.56
And you have come to
need milk and not solid food.
00:38:54.60\00:38:57.27
So in his teaching to
whoever these Hebrews were,
00:38:57.33\00:38:59.57
he was saying, we've
reached a ceiling here
00:38:59.60\00:39:01.74
and it's not because
there's not more to say,
00:39:01.77\00:39:03.74
it's because
you can't handle it.
00:39:03.77\00:39:05.11
You can't hear it. You
can't, you've maxed out.
00:39:05.14\00:39:08.24
Keep reading, "For
everyone," verse 13,
00:39:08.28\00:39:10.98
"who partakes only of milk,
00:39:11.01\00:39:12.35
is unskilled in the
word of righteousness
00:39:12.38\00:39:14.05
for he is a babe,
00:39:14.08\00:39:15.42
but solid food belongs
to those who are full age."
00:39:15.45\00:39:17.62
And here's what he means.
00:39:17.65\00:39:18.99
He says that is,
00:39:19.02\00:39:20.39
"Those who by reason of
use have their senses exercise
00:39:20.42\00:39:25.39
to discern both good and evil."
00:39:25.43\00:39:26.86
He said, the
problem we're having here
00:39:26.93\00:39:28.86
is we're giving
good information,
00:39:28.90\00:39:30.97
good, solid
theological doctrine.
00:39:31.00\00:39:33.13
But we can only go
so far in your growth
00:39:33.17\00:39:34.94
because you're
not putting to use
00:39:34.97\00:39:36.30
what you've already got.
00:39:36.34\00:39:38.01
And that was one
of the challenges
00:39:38.04\00:39:40.08
that I had to
have a message called
00:39:40.11\00:39:41.44
how to listen to a
sermon, but people don't know
00:39:41.48\00:39:43.55
how to listen to
spiritual counsel.
00:39:43.58\00:39:45.25
They don't know how
to listen to a sermon.
00:39:45.28\00:39:46.61
So for instance,
00:39:46.65\00:39:47.98
if you were in the
supermarket one day
00:39:48.02\00:39:50.92
and you had your non-Adventist,
00:39:50.99\00:39:52.89
your evangelical dyed
in the wool, you know,
00:39:52.92\00:39:54.99
turn a burn
Baptist friend, right?
00:39:55.02\00:39:57.16
Tenderhearted love one another.
00:39:57.23\00:39:58.56
We have different
theologies, right?
00:39:58.59\00:40:01.50
And they said, you know what?
00:40:01.53\00:40:02.93
Our Sunday school teacher
00:40:02.96\00:40:04.30
is going to be
out of town this week.
00:40:04.33\00:40:05.67
And I know you guys
00:40:05.70\00:40:07.04
think a little
bit different than us
00:40:07.10\00:40:08.44
on this particular topic.
00:40:08.47\00:40:09.80
Would you be willing to
come? So we're good friends.
00:40:09.84\00:40:11.94
So would you come
to my Sunday school
00:40:11.97\00:40:14.14
and teach us what
you understand the Bible
00:40:14.18\00:40:15.98
does teach about hell.
00:40:16.01\00:40:19.48
You'd say, and you know,
00:40:19.51\00:40:21.42
it's about a
warning, you can't say no.
00:40:21.45\00:40:23.02
So you say like,
"Ah-ah, oh, sure.
00:40:23.05\00:40:25.82
This Sunday, right?" Yeah.
00:40:25.85\00:40:27.22
And this is
Friday afternoon. Right?
00:40:27.26\00:40:29.89
And you're
shaking in your boots,
00:40:29.92\00:40:31.26
but you got this
divine appointment, right?
00:40:31.29\00:40:33.40
Go three aisles down.
00:40:33.46\00:40:34.76
You run into your own
pastor and you say, pastor,
00:40:34.83\00:40:37.40
I got to tell you, I
got this opportunity.
00:40:37.43\00:40:39.97
I don't know
what I'm going to say
00:40:40.00\00:40:41.34
and the pastor says, look,
calm down the Lord's in it.
00:40:41.37\00:40:44.07
Tomorrow morning you
know what I'm preaching on?
00:40:44.14\00:40:47.41
The good news about hell.
00:40:47.44\00:40:50.81
Time out.
00:40:50.88\00:40:52.21
How are you going to
listen to tomorrow sermon?
00:40:52.25\00:40:53.95
With a whole. A
whole different attitude.
00:40:53.98\00:40:57.42
Ears perked up. That's right.
00:40:57.45\00:40:58.92
Because now you
have an appointment
00:40:58.95\00:41:00.36
on the other side of it.
00:41:00.39\00:41:01.72
You're going to be accountable
00:41:01.76\00:41:03.09
for what you heard
in the Word of God.
00:41:03.12\00:41:04.46
So you're not, that Sabbath,
00:41:04.49\00:41:06.46
I don't know why
you came church before,
00:41:06.49\00:41:07.83
but you've got a
mission that Sabbath, right?
00:41:07.86\00:41:10.03
And you're not
going to sit in the back.
00:41:10.07\00:41:11.40
You're not going
to be distracted.
00:41:11.43\00:41:12.77
Not going to come in late.
00:41:12.80\00:41:14.14
You're not going to get
caught up in this and that
00:41:14.17\00:41:15.50
and be looking on your phone.
00:41:15.54\00:41:16.87
No, you're going to
sit down front, take notes,
00:41:16.91\00:41:18.24
have your Bible
open and you honestly
00:41:18.27\00:41:20.68
don't even care if
the speaker's interesting.
00:41:20.74\00:41:23.11
Because you're
not there for style,
00:41:23.14\00:41:24.48
you're there for substance.
00:41:24.51\00:41:26.05
I need content. I need meat.
00:41:26.08\00:41:27.62
Because I'm about
to feed some people
00:41:27.65\00:41:28.98
and I want to make sure.
00:41:29.02\00:41:30.35
And we have to, and
Paul was running into this
00:41:30.39\00:41:32.69
in this day saying,
look, there's depth here.
00:41:32.72\00:41:36.26
It's not just the
trite story of Jesus.
00:41:36.29\00:41:37.89
You've heard a
little pieces and parts.
00:41:37.93\00:41:39.26
There's a richness of
His heavenly ministry,
00:41:39.29\00:41:41.33
he's trying to convey here,
00:41:41.36\00:41:42.86
but we've reached a
ceiling with you guys
00:41:42.90\00:41:44.60
because you're
not putting to use
00:41:44.63\00:41:46.23
what you've already got.
00:41:46.27\00:41:48.00
And so we are having to
go back over and back over.
00:41:48.04\00:41:51.04
Friends, I see this in
Sabbath School all the time.
00:41:51.07\00:41:53.41
We keep going
over the same things
00:41:53.44\00:41:54.84
over and over and
people don't seem to grow.
00:41:54.88\00:41:57.08
And I don't think
00:41:57.11\00:41:58.45
it's because
they've run out of material.
00:41:58.48\00:42:01.18
I think it's a lot of it
has to do with the fact that
00:42:01.22\00:42:03.49
we're not putting
into practice either
00:42:03.52\00:42:05.25
on our own life reforms or
in our witnessing to others,
00:42:05.29\00:42:08.32
the things that
we've been blessed with.
00:42:08.36\00:42:10.46
And so it just kind of
finds the ceiling and that's it.
00:42:10.53\00:42:14.10
We need, you
know, we're running out
00:42:14.10\00:42:17.23
That's good. Great.
00:42:17.27\00:42:19.63
All right.
00:42:19.67\00:42:21.00
So where can
people get resources
00:42:21.04\00:42:25.11
to teach those
who are going to teach
00:42:25.14\00:42:28.18
the Sabbath School?
00:42:28.21\00:42:29.54
That is a great one. Okay.
00:42:29.58\00:42:31.21
Now I'll be, to be clear that
there's at least two websites
00:42:31.25\00:42:35.32
that I want to
talk to you about.
00:42:35.35\00:42:36.69
Okay?
00:42:36.75\00:42:38.09
The first one
was we already met,
00:42:38.12\00:42:39.45
we've mentioned both
00:42:39.49\00:42:40.82
and let's put
them together in this.
00:42:40.86\00:42:42.19
The General Conferences
Sabbath School resource page
00:42:42.22\00:42:45.96
for the ALIVE!
00:42:45.99\00:42:47.36
Initiative is the
alive.adventist.org
00:42:47.40\00:42:52.07
alive.adventist.org
00:42:52.10\00:42:58.07
That's exactly right.
00:42:58.11\00:42:59.71
That website is
going to talk about
00:42:59.74\00:43:01.24
those three main
features of Sabbath School,
00:43:01.28\00:43:04.38
the Bible study and
prayer, the mission focus
00:43:04.41\00:43:07.12
and the format of small
group dynamic fellowship.
00:43:07.15\00:43:09.28
Okay?
00:43:09.32\00:43:10.69
And they're going to
give you some suggestions.
00:43:10.72\00:43:12.05
Explain that, wait, pause.
00:43:12.09\00:43:13.42
We've said that,
00:43:13.46\00:43:14.79
we've used that
term several times
00:43:14.82\00:43:16.16
that the small
group dynamic fellowship,
00:43:16.19\00:43:19.56
explain to people
00:43:19.59\00:43:22.10
why that is biblical and why,
00:43:22.13\00:43:24.27
what you're saying
when you use that term.
00:43:24.30\00:43:27.10
Let's go back to Acts Chapter 2.
00:43:27.14\00:43:28.74
Okay?
00:43:28.77\00:43:30.11
On the day of Pentecost,
00:43:30.17\00:43:31.51
in fact, I should say
after the day of Pentecost,
00:43:31.54\00:43:32.91
you know, the day of Pentecost,
00:43:32.94\00:43:34.28
Peter preaches a
powerful sermon, right?
00:43:34.31\00:43:36.21
And he's, by the way,
preaching present truth.
00:43:36.24\00:43:39.68
He was not just
preaching that Jesus was born
00:43:39.71\00:43:41.92
or that he just
lived a good life
00:43:41.95\00:43:43.45
or even that He
died on the cross.
00:43:43.49\00:43:45.22
He talked about
His resurrection,
00:43:45.25\00:43:46.59
His ascension to heaven
00:43:46.62\00:43:47.96
and Him sitting at
the right hand of God.
00:43:47.99\00:43:49.82
I mean, there's powerful stuff.
00:43:49.86\00:43:51.63
Bible prophecy, present truth.
00:43:51.66\00:43:53.46
Peter was an Adventist anyway,
00:43:53.50\00:43:55.83
But he gets there and he,
00:43:55.86\00:43:57.63
and after they
gladly received his word
00:43:57.67\00:44:00.04
in verse 41, 3,000
were baptized and notice,
00:44:00.07\00:44:03.27
it says by the
way, added to them,
00:44:03.30\00:44:05.64
not just added to Jesus
in a nebulous vague way,
00:44:05.67\00:44:07.91
but added to the church, right?
00:44:07.94\00:44:10.75
What happens after that?
00:44:10.78\00:44:12.11
Verse 46, "So continuing,"
00:44:12.15\00:44:14.48
what's the word in
your Bible say next?
00:44:14.52\00:44:15.85
Steadfastly.
00:44:15.88\00:44:17.22
"Steadfastly,"
00:44:17.29\00:44:18.62
I have the New
King James Version
00:44:18.65\00:44:19.99
that says daily.
00:44:20.02\00:44:21.36
That means ongoing, regularly.
00:44:21.39\00:44:22.76
Verse 46.
00:44:22.79\00:44:24.13
"So continuing daily with
one accord in the temple."
00:44:24.16\00:44:27.50
Now...
00:44:27.50\00:44:28.83
What verse
because I'm on Chapter 2.
00:44:28.86\00:44:30.20
Acts 2:46.
00:44:30.23\00:44:32.37
Yeah, mine says daily too. Okay.
00:44:32.40\00:44:34.00
I was like, I
don't know that version,
00:44:34.04\00:44:35.37
but I'm going to
go with the one I got.
00:44:35.40\00:44:36.77
Okay. So
continuing daily, time out.
00:44:36.81\00:44:38.71
What does daily
mean? It means...
00:44:38.74\00:44:42.21
Every day. Every day, right?
00:44:42.24\00:44:43.91
Or at least
throughout the week on days,
00:44:43.95\00:44:46.05
it does not just say
they continued weekly.
00:44:46.08\00:44:50.09
How many things, how many times
00:44:50.15\00:44:51.65
do we assume that
00:44:51.69\00:44:53.02
everything that
church does is weekly?
00:44:53.05\00:44:56.59
When the reality is we
need a faith community,
00:44:56.62\00:45:00.93
that's midweek, that
calls and checks on each other,
00:45:00.96\00:45:03.87
that studies
together, that prays together,
00:45:03.90\00:45:05.37
that encourages one another.
00:45:05.40\00:45:06.77
That studies
regularly daily, right?
00:45:06.84\00:45:10.04
So the life of the church
00:45:10.11\00:45:11.44
wasn't just a weekly round
of services they went through.
00:45:11.47\00:45:14.71
It says they continue
daily with one accord, where?
00:45:14.74\00:45:17.28
In the temple, so
they would come to church
00:45:17.35\00:45:19.41
and it was the
center of their life,
00:45:19.45\00:45:20.92
their faith was, right?
00:45:20.95\00:45:22.55
And breaking bread
from house to house.
00:45:22.58\00:45:25.29
So notice again,
there's the nod to the intimacy
00:45:25.32\00:45:28.12
and the closeness
of that dynamic, right?
00:45:28.16\00:45:30.93
Which by the way, if
you want a biblical basis
00:45:30.96\00:45:32.49
for small groups,
00:45:32.53\00:45:33.90
you can go way back
in the Old Testament.
00:45:33.93\00:45:35.56
I can't tell you how many times
00:45:35.60\00:45:37.17
some church growth
expert has gotten up and said,
00:45:37.23\00:45:39.17
"I've got this grand new idea.
00:45:39.20\00:45:40.70
It's called
small groups." Right?
00:45:40.74\00:45:43.20
Well, friends, you know,
00:45:43.24\00:45:44.61
this goes all
the way back to Moses
00:45:44.64\00:45:46.14
leading the children of Israel.
00:45:46.17\00:45:47.54
And the Lord says, you know,
00:45:47.58\00:45:48.91
why are they all
standing before you delegate,
00:45:48.94\00:45:50.75
you know, break
them down into groups of
00:45:50.81\00:45:52.41
thousands, hundreds,
fifties, and tens, right?
00:45:52.45\00:45:55.12
Why would we have leader?
00:45:55.15\00:45:56.52
So that you can,
if you miss a week
00:45:56.55\00:46:00.09
in a 200 member church,
00:46:00.12\00:46:02.06
a lot of times
people don't even notice,
00:46:02.09\00:46:03.96
but you miss a group...
00:46:03.99\00:46:05.33
If you have eight
people around a table
00:46:05.36\00:46:07.36
and you're gone once they know,
00:46:07.40\00:46:10.17
and that it's
not like a judging,
00:46:10.20\00:46:11.53
where were, they're concerned.
00:46:11.57\00:46:13.67
You're probably
going to get a phone call
00:46:13.74\00:46:15.17
or a text message or an email
00:46:15.20\00:46:16.74
or a card or some sort of
like, "Hey, we missed you,"
00:46:16.81\00:46:19.04
or when you do come
back, hey, praise the Lord.
00:46:19.07\00:46:20.68
We're worrying
about you. Are you okay?
00:46:20.71\00:46:22.04
Did you get the COVID or,
00:46:22.08\00:46:23.45
you know, what's wrong with you?
00:46:23.48\00:46:24.81
And there's a
sweetness to that fellowship
00:46:24.85\00:46:27.68
that's necessary in
the Christian life, right?
00:46:27.72\00:46:30.42
And that's what
you see in the Bible.
00:46:30.49\00:46:31.82
Again, in the Old
Testament, in the New Testament,
00:46:31.85\00:46:34.49
breaking bread
from house to house,
00:46:34.52\00:46:35.86
they ate their
food with gladness
00:46:35.89\00:46:37.23
and simplicity of heart,
00:46:37.26\00:46:38.59
praising God and having
favor with all the people.
00:46:38.63\00:46:41.13
And what was the
result? The Lord added.
00:46:41.16\00:46:42.80
The Lord added to
the church how often?
00:46:42.83\00:46:44.93
Daily, those who
were being saved.
00:46:44.97\00:46:48.14
So through there,
and it didn't say,
00:46:48.17\00:46:49.97
oh, because Peter
just kept preaching
00:46:50.01\00:46:51.37
that Pentecost sermon every day.
00:46:51.41\00:46:53.17
He didn't stand up and make,
00:46:53.21\00:46:54.54
well, maybe he
did, we don't know.
00:46:54.58\00:46:55.91
But clearly the implication
of these passages is that
00:46:55.94\00:46:58.55
the members themselves
were so in love with the Lord,
00:46:58.58\00:47:02.65
they were so
committed to His Word.
00:47:02.68\00:47:04.95
And they were so tied
together in bonds of fellowship,
00:47:04.99\00:47:08.12
that it was a
winsome witness to the world
00:47:08.16\00:47:10.76
that you've got something I want
00:47:10.79\00:47:12.76
and they would
share their faith.
00:47:12.79\00:47:14.20
They would do it in
this, then that dynamic
00:47:14.23\00:47:16.43
where you would
notice if you weren't there.
00:47:16.46\00:47:19.47
Friends, I think
00:47:19.50\00:47:20.84
that's what
Sabbath School should be.
00:47:20.87\00:47:22.84
That we need to
put the good stuff back
00:47:22.87\00:47:24.21
in Sabbath School,
00:47:24.24\00:47:25.57
make it a
wonderful, rich, vibrant,
00:47:25.61\00:47:26.98
dynamic experience
00:47:27.01\00:47:28.74
where we can grow in our faith,
00:47:28.78\00:47:30.35
where we can hear
inspiring mission stories,
00:47:30.38\00:47:32.68
where we can
build each other up.
00:47:32.71\00:47:36.05
And if you miss Sabbath
School, you missed something.
00:47:36.08\00:47:39.02
But let's talk
about, because you know,
00:47:39.05\00:47:41.59
people are sitting here,
00:47:41.62\00:47:42.96
we're talking about,
say a 300 member church.
00:47:42.99\00:47:45.93
And if we're
starting with Sabbath School,
00:47:45.96\00:47:47.93
we're not talking
about all 300 people
00:47:47.96\00:47:51.63
being in the same class,
00:47:51.67\00:47:53.10
because most churches will have
five or six different classes.
00:47:53.13\00:47:57.57
You can go to a study
where maybe the personality
00:47:57.61\00:48:02.34
of the class fixtures,
00:48:02.38\00:48:04.31
but one thing
is, I've seen people
00:48:04.35\00:48:07.48
come in to church as visitors
00:48:07.55\00:48:11.39
and they arrive early
00:48:11.42\00:48:12.75
because they've seen
something on the sign.
00:48:12.79\00:48:15.06
And then the Sabbath School
superintendent says, okay,
00:48:15.09\00:48:18.89
we're going to
divide into our classes
00:48:18.93\00:48:20.76
and go to Sabbath School now.
00:48:20.83\00:48:22.60
And there they sit,
like, where do I go?
00:48:22.63\00:48:25.87
Let's talk about what can we
do if we start inviting people?
00:48:25.90\00:48:31.21
Yes, we have to start
thinking like a visitor.
00:48:31.24\00:48:34.68
A lot of times we don't expect
00:48:34.71\00:48:37.18
any non-Adventist to
ever come to Sabbath School.
00:48:37.25\00:48:40.25
So we're having
inside baseball, you know,
00:48:40.32\00:48:43.69
isolated jargon and,
nomenclature, you know,
00:48:43.72\00:48:46.42
abbreviations for stuff.
00:48:46.45\00:48:47.79
People don't
know what, you know,
00:48:47.82\00:48:49.46
and we just kind
of rattled it off.
00:48:49.49\00:48:51.63
And we assume
everybody knows, for instance,
00:48:51.66\00:48:54.20
things that
we're comfortable with,
00:48:54.20\00:48:55.53
we don't think we have
to teach over and over.
00:48:55.56\00:48:56.93
I remember we're coming
to the Michigan Conference.
00:48:56.97\00:48:58.67
Everybody knows
where camp meeting is held.
00:48:58.70\00:49:01.20
Well, I didn't know
where camp meeting was held.
00:49:01.24\00:49:02.94
And so we looked everywhere
00:49:02.97\00:49:04.34
for the address of
where camp meeting was
00:49:04.37\00:49:05.71
and it was kind of
a known thing, right?
00:49:05.74\00:49:07.68
And, we do that
sometimes with church.
00:49:07.71\00:49:09.91
We don't know how
our churches look,
00:49:09.94\00:49:12.95
how our churches feel,
how our churches smell,
00:49:12.98\00:49:15.45
how our churches are
to someone who isn't us.
00:49:15.48\00:49:20.69
But when we walk
in, we talk about,
00:49:20.72\00:49:22.06
now it's time to divide
00:49:22.09\00:49:23.46
into our Sabbath
School divisions.
00:49:23.49\00:49:25.13
What does that mean? Right.
00:49:25.16\00:49:26.73
We should explain things.
00:49:26.76\00:49:28.13
We should make
it simple formatted
00:49:28.16\00:49:29.70
and clearly
instructed on the off chance
00:49:29.73\00:49:33.00
that somebody
00:49:33.03\00:49:34.37
who's not one of
us comes in, right?
00:49:34.40\00:49:36.14
And that create
a welcoming visitor
00:49:36.17\00:49:38.01
friendly
environment to be clear that
00:49:38.04\00:49:40.08
does not mean
water down the doctrine
00:49:40.11\00:49:42.14
or ramp up the entertainment.
00:49:42.18\00:49:43.85
It means to make it
00:49:43.88\00:49:45.21
intensely
interesting by clarity,
00:49:45.25\00:49:47.98
succinct, clear, a
transition, say, all right,
00:49:48.02\00:49:51.65
now we're going to
hear a mission story
00:49:51.69\00:49:53.02
from around the world.
00:49:53.05\00:49:54.39
Boom. They know what that means.
00:49:54.42\00:49:55.76
And now it's time to
get into our study classes
00:49:55.79\00:49:57.63
to go over this week's lesson.
00:49:57.66\00:49:59.13
It's a
wonderful topic this week.
00:49:59.16\00:50:01.13
And now there's a
group that meets here.
00:50:01.16\00:50:02.63
There's a group there.
00:50:02.66\00:50:04.03
And if we have any visitors,
00:50:04.07\00:50:05.40
we'd like to invite
you to any one of those or,
00:50:05.43\00:50:06.77
you know, make, give them
00:50:06.80\00:50:08.14
clear
instructions of what to say.
00:50:08.17\00:50:10.17
And it's very helpful.
00:50:10.21\00:50:11.54
So we should think
00:50:11.57\00:50:12.91
like a visitor
in all of the things
00:50:12.94\00:50:14.28
we do as a
church more than we do.
00:50:14.31\00:50:16.41
Now, let's bring in
personal ministries.
00:50:16.44\00:50:19.31
We've got people they're coming
00:50:19.35\00:50:20.68
to Sabbath
School and everything.
00:50:20.72\00:50:22.05
How do you bring
00:50:22.08\00:50:23.45
in the personal
ministries into this
00:50:23.49\00:50:24.95
or what should we do?
00:50:24.99\00:50:26.86
And you've kind of covered it,
00:50:26.92\00:50:28.39
but be a little
bit more specific?
00:50:28.42\00:50:29.76
Okay.
00:50:29.79\00:50:31.13
I believe that
again, going back to that
00:50:31.16\00:50:32.56
missionary mindset
that it concludes with,
00:50:32.59\00:50:36.36
we haven't done
a mission program.
00:50:36.40\00:50:37.73
And if we've given an appeal
00:50:37.77\00:50:39.10
for everyone to be a missionary,
00:50:39.13\00:50:40.47
so we should be
training them in practical
00:50:40.50\00:50:42.97
and I mean just
short little three,
00:50:43.00\00:50:44.64
five minute blurbs,
00:50:44.67\00:50:46.01
like here's a tool
you can use this week.
00:50:46.04\00:50:48.24
I would challenge you to
go out and distribute this,
00:50:48.28\00:50:50.18
or start a
conversation like this.
00:50:50.21\00:50:52.25
Or if you're looking
to give a Bible study
00:50:52.28\00:50:54.65
with someone and you don't know
00:50:54.68\00:50:56.02
how to do it, what are some ways
00:50:56.05\00:50:57.42
you can go find a
Bible study this week
00:50:57.45\00:50:59.52
and give that kind
of practical instruction
00:50:59.55\00:51:01.66
in the Sabbath School,
00:51:01.69\00:51:03.02
so that mission stories
aren't just what happens
00:51:03.06\00:51:05.23
over there or
what we do corporately,
00:51:05.26\00:51:07.50
but that every individual
can have an opportunity
00:51:07.50\00:51:09.60
to be a
missionary for Jesus, right?
00:51:09.63\00:51:11.03
And so we should give the
resources, the inspiration,
00:51:11.07\00:51:14.24
we should give the encouragement
00:51:14.27\00:51:15.60
and the practical guidance
00:51:15.64\00:51:16.97
for how people
can be a missionary.
00:51:17.01\00:51:18.94
So that's the one we
can do it corporately.
00:51:18.97\00:51:20.94
Now I will say
coming back to your point.
00:51:20.98\00:51:22.88
If you had a 300 member church,
00:51:22.91\00:51:24.25
I'd be delighted
if all 300 people
00:51:24.28\00:51:25.61
did come to
Sabbath School, number one,
00:51:25.65\00:51:27.65
and for at least a
few minutes would at least
00:51:27.68\00:51:30.45
watch the same
mission program and talk.
00:51:30.49\00:51:32.32
But then when we
divide up into our groups,
00:51:32.35\00:51:34.12
that's where the
smaller format dynamic comes in.
00:51:34.16\00:51:37.09
And that's where
00:51:37.13\00:51:38.46
the Bible study
really, you know,
00:51:38.49\00:51:39.83
starts firing on all pistons.
00:51:39.86\00:51:41.60
So I would make sure that
00:51:41.63\00:51:43.90
the mission always points down
00:51:43.93\00:51:46.77
like a funnel to here am I,
send me, giving them practical,
00:51:46.80\00:51:51.17
encouraging counsel that
00:51:51.21\00:51:52.64
they can put to
use for the Lord.
00:51:52.67\00:51:54.21
Also in those small groups,
00:51:54.24\00:51:56.48
each of those should have
a mission project of its own.
00:51:56.51\00:51:59.85
Hopefully not just
something overseas that
00:51:59.88\00:52:03.05
they can fund,
00:52:03.08\00:52:04.42
but something right in
their neighborhood that
00:52:04.45\00:52:06.05
they can
hands-on participate with
00:52:06.09\00:52:08.16
or they can contribute to
in some way in their own field.
00:52:08.19\00:52:11.56
So when it's their turn
up on the mission spotlight,
00:52:11.59\00:52:14.83
they've got something to say
00:52:14.83\00:52:16.16
of activity that's happening
within the church family.
00:52:16.20\00:52:19.73
And so I think
there's a lot of ways that
00:52:19.77\00:52:21.20
the Sabbath School teacher,
00:52:21.24\00:52:22.57
the Sabbath
School superintendent,
00:52:22.60\00:52:23.97
the Sabbath
School leadership team
00:52:24.01\00:52:25.34
can intentionally
move Sabbath School
00:52:25.37\00:52:29.38
towards a mission focus that
00:52:29.41\00:52:31.08
it was supposed
to have all along,
00:52:31.11\00:52:32.55
but has grown dormant
and far too many instances.
00:52:32.58\00:52:35.28
Okay. Let's...
00:52:35.32\00:52:36.65
We only have a few minutes left.
00:52:36.69\00:52:38.02
What I'd like you to address
00:52:38.05\00:52:40.42
if you will is the structure
00:52:40.46\00:52:45.23
of the management
of Sabbath School.
00:52:45.26\00:52:48.36
The people who are responsible
for and what can they do.
00:52:48.40\00:52:52.53
Okay.
00:52:52.57\00:52:53.90
First of all, thank
you for bringing that up.
00:52:53.97\00:52:56.47
The Sabbath
School leadership team
00:52:56.50\00:52:59.71
is often neglected
in the local church.
00:52:59.74\00:53:01.98
Okay.
00:53:02.01\00:53:03.35
The nominating
committee will say, all right,
00:53:03.38\00:53:04.71
we got a superintendent or two.
00:53:04.75\00:53:06.08
We got these teachers
too, and that's about it.
00:53:06.11\00:53:08.32
And they never meet
again, but there should be,
00:53:08.35\00:53:10.69
if you're going
to be, for instance,
00:53:10.72\00:53:13.46
training your teachers
how to be more effective,
00:53:13.49\00:53:15.19
looking for mission projects
to encourage people, to do,
00:53:15.22\00:53:18.33
making sure you've got a
good dynamic program going,
00:53:18.36\00:53:20.43
you should have
a reason to meet,
00:53:20.50\00:53:22.46
to plan some things.
00:53:22.50\00:53:23.83
And there should be
00:53:23.87\00:53:25.20
a delegation of
responsibilities.
00:53:25.23\00:53:26.90
You should have
a superintendent,
00:53:26.94\00:53:28.27
but they don't
have to do everything.
00:53:28.30\00:53:29.64
They need a secretary to
do some of the, you know,
00:53:29.67\00:53:31.64
you've got Sabbath
School offerings to keep up
00:53:31.67\00:53:33.34
with in Sabbath
School attendance records.
00:53:33.38\00:53:35.08
And it's all kinds of
Sabbath School paperworky stuff
00:53:35.11\00:53:37.55
that we want to keep track of.
00:53:37.61\00:53:38.95
There should be a secretary.
00:53:38.98\00:53:40.32
You should have an
outreach coordinator
00:53:40.35\00:53:41.68
if you can, you know?
00:53:41.72\00:53:43.05
Come up with
ideas to help us along
00:53:43.08\00:53:44.42
and make sure
00:53:44.45\00:53:45.79
there's a personal
ministries' leaders,
00:53:45.82\00:53:47.16
to make sure we got
the resources we need.
00:53:47.19\00:53:48.52
And you start
looking at Sabbath School
00:53:48.56\00:53:49.89
as really the living
heartbeat of the church
00:53:49.92\00:53:53.80
that the lay members
can all be a part of.
00:53:53.86\00:53:56.80
And that vitality
has so often languished,
00:53:56.83\00:54:01.77
I think because we've
lost the mission focused.
00:54:01.80\00:54:04.67
The superintendent is isolated,
00:54:04.71\00:54:06.37
the poor brother or sister
00:54:06.41\00:54:08.01
is probably the
only one doing it.
00:54:08.04\00:54:09.38
And they don't
know exactly what to do
00:54:09.41\00:54:10.75
and then the teacher.
00:54:10.78\00:54:12.11
And so it kind of
devolves into a wrote form
00:54:12.15\00:54:15.45
that just gets
repeated as a hollow ceremony.
00:54:15.48\00:54:17.99
Not that there's not
a blessing in that too.
00:54:18.02\00:54:20.06
I want to be clear.
00:54:20.09\00:54:21.42
I'm not trying to throw
00:54:21.46\00:54:22.79
all Sabbath
Schools under the bus.
00:54:22.82\00:54:24.16
A lot of people
are doing the best
00:54:24.19\00:54:25.53
they can with
the ideas they have.
00:54:25.56\00:54:26.90
But the goal of
Sabbath School is to be
00:54:26.93\00:54:29.40
a living dynamic organism,
00:54:29.43\00:54:31.77
truly the body of
Christ to do His work.
00:54:31.80\00:54:35.14
So while we want edification
00:54:35.17\00:54:36.50
through a good Bible study,
00:54:36.54\00:54:37.87
we need those other elements
00:54:37.91\00:54:39.24
of practical instruction
00:54:39.27\00:54:40.78
so that we can be more
robust and complete the mission.
00:54:40.84\00:54:43.41
And I think part of
what we all need to do
00:54:43.45\00:54:47.88
and just touch on
this is we need to pray
00:54:47.92\00:54:50.99
for a change of heart.
00:54:51.02\00:54:52.35
I mean, we need
much prayer about this.
00:54:52.39\00:54:54.89
Absolutely, I
mean, in practical terms,
00:54:54.92\00:54:58.23
stop treating Sabbath School,
00:54:58.26\00:54:59.59
like a preliminary,
show up to everything
00:54:59.63\00:55:03.47
that happens in
your local church.
00:55:03.50\00:55:05.77
Invite people like
00:55:05.80\00:55:08.04
put the good
stuff in Sabbath School
00:55:08.07\00:55:10.61
and expect people to be there.
00:55:10.64\00:55:12.04
And if you missed it,
you missed something, right?
00:55:12.07\00:55:14.28
Make little business cards
for your Sabbath School group
00:55:14.31\00:55:16.28
and get the word out, right?
00:55:16.31\00:55:17.78
Promote it, read
counsels on Sabbath School work.
00:55:17.81\00:55:20.62
There's a compilation
of all the stufflike this.
00:55:20.65\00:55:22.38
Mrs. White said about
the Sabbath School work
00:55:22.42\00:55:24.09
and it'll blow your mind about,
00:55:24.12\00:55:25.45
oh, it's supposed to
be I didn't know that.
00:55:25.49\00:55:27.86
And we can do all
of those resourcing
00:55:27.89\00:55:31.39
and training and equipping,
but what you brought in
00:55:31.43\00:55:34.46
praying for the
leading of the Holy Spirit
00:55:34.46\00:55:37.03
to make this thing
get off the ground.
00:55:37.07\00:55:39.20
We talk about even in
the Sabbath School ALIVE!
00:55:39.23\00:55:41.54
Like it sounds almost formulaic.
00:55:41.57\00:55:43.61
If you have a mission program,
you go through these things
00:55:43.67\00:55:45.44
and out on the other end
00:55:45.47\00:55:46.84
you're going to have a
living active Sabbath school.
00:55:46.88\00:55:48.81
Friends, we're
going to do our best
00:55:48.84\00:55:50.31
from a human perspective,
00:55:50.35\00:55:51.78
but it's only going to
flourish as the Lord blesses.
00:55:51.81\00:55:54.62
And so we want
this to be recognized
00:55:54.65\00:55:56.32
as a cooperative labor
00:55:56.35\00:55:58.12
between dedicated church members
00:55:58.15\00:55:59.79
and the Holy Spirit
who's going to bring
00:55:59.82\00:56:01.96
about the revival
we so desperately need.
00:56:01.99\00:56:03.32
Okay.
00:56:03.36\00:56:04.69
Fifteen seconds,
repeat the website.
00:56:04.73\00:56:07.60
Two websites,
alive.adventist.org
00:56:07.66\00:56:11.77
That's the General Conference
Sabbath School initiative page
00:56:11.80\00:56:14.60
and michigansspm.org
00:56:14.64\00:56:19.31
for the resources
that in our department
00:56:19.34\00:56:20.88
and the Michigan conference
00:56:20.91\00:56:22.24
we are doing to help
make Sabbath Schools alive,
00:56:22.28\00:56:24.71
like Talking Points
00:56:24.75\00:56:26.28
and the Emanuel
Institute training things
00:56:26.31\00:56:27.88
and all this things
00:56:27.92\00:56:29.25
you can find@michigansspm.org.
00:56:29.28\00:56:33.19
Kameron...
00:56:33.22\00:56:34.56
They're very fortunate to
have you in that position.
00:56:34.59\00:56:36.76
We're just having fun. Amen.
00:56:36.83\00:56:38.59
We want to thank you so
much for being here tonight.
00:56:38.63\00:56:42.03
And you know, I
don't know about you,
00:56:42.06\00:56:44.50
but my heart's been stirred.
00:56:44.53\00:56:46.10
I realized
there's even a few things
00:56:46.13\00:56:47.77
I need to pray about
to increase my passion,
00:56:47.80\00:56:51.94
but we pray
we're going to make it
00:56:51.97\00:56:54.94
a commitment right now.
00:56:54.98\00:56:56.31
We're going to start praying
for Sabbath School for you too.
00:56:56.34\00:56:59.05
And our prayer is
that the grace of our Lord
00:56:59.08\00:57:01.05
and Savior Jesus
Christ, the love of the Father
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and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit
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is with you always.
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God bless.
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