As you're well aware,
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we're living in
unprecedented times.
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Join us now for
Today special program.
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome
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to our special
3ABN Live program.
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We are so glad
that you have joined us
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this evening.
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You know, it's
incredible to be sitting here
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basically in the
middle of nowhere,
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outside of
Thompsonville, Illinois,
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West Frankfort, Illinois,
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they've just plowed
the fields around us,
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getting ready for
the spring planting.
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And here we are
going around the world.
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And you know what?
That's thanks to you.
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Thank you for your
prayers and financial support
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for the ministry of 3ABN.
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You know, your faithfulness
just absolutely inspires us.
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And we look
forward to these two hours
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that we can spend with
you each Thursday evening,
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you know, being
part of the family of God
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is something really incredible.
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And I want to
just read this to you.
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We have an incredible
program for you this evening.
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Jill's going to talk to
you a little bit about that,
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but talking about
the family of God,
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you being part of our family.
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I love reading these letters.
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This one just came in from Jane.
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You know who you are.
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And it's an incredible letter
that talks about the family,
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says, "No one in my family
would listen to the reasoning
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as to why I became a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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It means so much to me
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when you say from
your family at 3ABN,
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I literally get
goosebumps when I hear that.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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You are my family."
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So thank you, Jane,
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for being a part
of our 3ABN family,
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but it's just great
to be praising the Lord.
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He's doing
marvelous and mighty things,
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and what an
incredible privilege it is
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to be alive in this
moment in earth's history,
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but it's exciting times.
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It is exciting
times, absolutely.
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I always love the
Thursday Night Live
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because number
one, it's a live program
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and tonight is no exception.
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We get to take your questions
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and your prayer
requests and your needs.
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And so I'm excited about that.
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I'm also excited
about our guests tonight.
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I would like to
say we're old friends,
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but that makes us
old and we're not old.
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This would be
longstanding friends.
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We went to school together.
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We won't say how
long ago that was.
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Maybe we should.
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Should we say that?
No, let's move on. Okay.
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So our special guest
tonight is Dr. David Shin.
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And he would, if
you've watched 3ABN
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for any length of time, he
would be no stranger to you.
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I'm trying to think
of Pastor and Dr. Shin.
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When did you first
start coming to 3ABN?
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How long has it been?
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Wow, Faith Chapel, 2005.
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2005? I think it was 2005.
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So 16 years ago. Yes.
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So Faith Chapel and...
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Battles of Faith,
did you do some programs?
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Then Battles of
Faith with Wohlberg
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and then 3ABN
Thursday Night Live.
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I remember my first one,
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I was like back
there in the green room,
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like, you know,
and I asked CA Murray,
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"What happens if I walk off
set 'cause I can't handle this."
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He says, "We'll
play nature music."
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That's great. Yeah.
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Of course, GYCs you have done.
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GYC and then 3ABN camp meeting.
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So it's just been an honor.
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Sanctuary Series you did? Yeah.
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Sanctuary
Salvation and our Savior.
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And it's just been a privilege.
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It's hard to believe
it's been 17 years or so
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18 years?
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It's been a great maybe I say
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partnership friendship
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because Jill and I, of course
counts you as a great friend.
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Like she said,
we went to college
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together back in the...
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I won't when, just
the mid 90s, that's...
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Thank you very
much. Did I say too much?
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We are going home
together. That's right.
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But yeah, I tell you, Pastor,
you know, it's neat to see
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what God has done in your life.
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And this is really
special this time too.
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And we're giving you
just a little hint on this,
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but your family's with you
and we want to talk about them
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and they actually recorded,
right, a little program today.
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He's been busy
today, he's recorded
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like a couple of
programs already today.
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So you're going to
see these coming up.
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One of them was
a Family Worship.
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Yes.
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So tell us about your family
'cause it's grown a little bit?
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Yeah, yeah.
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My wife Tennille and
I were blessed in Alaska
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with two kids.
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All right. Hudson was born.
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He's three now about to be four
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and then Clara is nine months.
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So yeah.
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Got her hands full
sleep precious commodity.
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One of the best
thing. They are adorable.
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Oh, praise the Lord.
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Your kids are, they're adorable.
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Yeah, beautiful family.
You have a precious wife.
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Praise the Lord.
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Now, when we went
to school together,
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we went to school together.
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And then after school,
Pastor David got his masters
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and then doctorate of ministry
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from the Adventist
Theological Seminary there
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in the Andrews
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and then
pastored for many years.
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But you've
recently transitioned.
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So tell us about
your new position there
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as president of
Ouachita Hills College?
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Yeah.
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We made the
transition in October
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from Anchorage,
Alaska to Amity, Arkansas,
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AA to AA.
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Yeah.
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Dramatic difference
in temperature, mind you,
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but I've taken
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the mantle of an
administrator in education
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and it's been a wonderful thing.
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I went to Ouachita Hills Academy
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back in 1995.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Don't let this
baby face fool you.
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I didn't start when I was 12.
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But, yeah, yeah, so, I graduated
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from Ouachita Hills Academy
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and changed my life there
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dramatic
transformation and conversion,
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took the call to ministry
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and then went on
to Heartland College,
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graduated from there
and was in pastoral ministry
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and just finishing on
my doctoral dissertation,
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about to go into my defense.
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And then I get a call
from Dr and Mrs. Clark
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and the founders and their
son extending the invitation
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to come on board as president
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of Ouachita Hills College.
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And after thinking about
it and praying with my wife,
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I recognized the call of God.
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And there's,
there's no better place
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to be than in
educating minds for eternity.
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And if you want
to change the world,
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you do it through education,
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which is a lot
of what you're doing
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here on 3ABN.
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You're educating for eternity.
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This is an
educational platform as well,
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as well as an
inspirational platform.
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So praise the Lord,
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but that's been my
transition right now.
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And it has been very,
very nice to have spring,
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an actual spring.
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And, but I'll
be, I'll be looking
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longingly toward Alaska
in mid July in Arkansas.
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But hey, you got to, you
don't, I don't move to areas
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for temperature as you can tell
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by moving to
Alaska in the first place.
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But yeah, praise the Lord. Amen.
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Praise the Lord. Yeah.
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So then tell us just a
little bit about Ouachita,
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our program tonight,
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our two hour live is
actually surrendering
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our idea.
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So we're going
to talk about that,
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but while you're
talking about Ouachita College.
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Tell us a little bit about
that because someone may say,
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I've never heard of that.
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Hey, maybe I want
to send my kid there,
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or maybe they want
to go to the college,
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tell us about that?
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Yes, yes.
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Ouachita Hills was started
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by the vision of Dr. Mrs. Clark.
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They started their
academy in their own home
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and it grew to an academy
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and later they
started the college.
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And a fundamental difference
in Christian education
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is that Christian education
takes on the perspective
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of not only
educating for this life,
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but for eternal life.
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In the highest
sense, the work of education
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and the work of
redemption are one.
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And so, Christian education
takes on this perspective
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that our goal is not
to train young people
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where their primary
objective of driving an SUV,
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living in the suburbs,
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getting a nice
nest egg of retirement,
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and then retiring and
riding off into the sunset
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and that's it.
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I'm not saying there's anything
in and of itself bad with that,
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but the secular education takes
on that limited perspective
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whereas Christian
education takes on the possible,
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total possible existence of man
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and not only
serve us in this life,
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but serve us in
the life to come.
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And Ouachita Hills
Academy and College
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endeavor to ground the
principles of education
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upon that broad
perspective of eternity
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and the theme of education
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should be restoration
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of the mind, body and
soul back to the image of God.
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And the unique
thing about Ouachita Hills
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is that there is this,
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this work study program
that educates not on the mind,
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but the physical as well.
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And we have a
unique canvassing program
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in which the young
people are able to pay their way
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through school.
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And with the ballooning
costs of education today,
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you're talking
30, 40, $50,000 a year
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for a year of college.
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So you can be graduating
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from college 80 to
a $100,000 in debt,
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easy, easy.
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And Ouachita Hills
College is affordable.
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It's only 10,000 a year.
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And the vast
majority of the students
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because of the
canvassing program
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are able to...
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Are able to sell in literature.
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Yes, because of...
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Yes, selling
Christian literature
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door-to-door,
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it's also missionary work,
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at the same time
they're able to pay
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their way through school
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and the vast majority of them
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graduate with little or no debt.
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So praise the Lord.
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We want to train missionaries
for the Lord, Jesus.
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And we can't have them
have this burden of debt
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on their shoulders,
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so that they can't
even be a missionary.
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And so, Ouachita Hills college
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has this value of
training missionaries,
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and also providing an
education that is affordable.
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So we have a theology degree,
we have a business degree,
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we have a music degree,
we have an education degree.
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Nice. Good.
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So four?
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Four major
emphasis and bachelors,
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and we also have
associate degrees as well.
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And this fall, we're
starting a media minor.
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Media minor, and the
vision is so that every student
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can have the opportunity
to learn how to harness
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the internet
platform for ministry.
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Amen. So praise God for that.
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Amen. Amen.
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That's great.
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We need to talk about
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some internship
possible at 3ABN.
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Absolutely.
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So that's a
discussion for another time.
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Absolutely. Yes.
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But if they want
to get in contact,
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I actually have a little website
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written down
here, but it's ohc.org,
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if they want more information.
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Yes.
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Ouachita Hills College,
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We're talking tonight about
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surrendering our
ideas to scripture.
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And, you know, it's
an amazing topic to me
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because I think about
when you enter marriage,
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you have
presuppositions, do you not?
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You have an idea of,
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this is what
marriage would entail,
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or if you start a new job,
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you think I have an idea
of what this job entails.
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But many times I love your topic
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because many times
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when we study the Word of God,
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we don't realize that we bring
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to our study of the
Word of God presuppositions
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or our own concepts or ideas.
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Yes, absolutely.
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When we think
about studying the Bible,
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typically we
focus on methodology,
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which is like how, the,
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how to the approach
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of how you break
down the Scripture
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and that's important,
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but there's also other elements
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that take place in the
process of interpretation.
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You have the
subject, which is me.
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You have the
object, which is Scripture.
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In between you have methodology.
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And the Bible actually has a
lot to say about the subject.
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In other words, what is going on
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to the person
involved in the Bible study?
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Are there ideas
already in there from culture,
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from politics, from my family
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upbringing that I
bring to the table
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prior to which
is presuppositions,
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pre meaning before
suppositions ideas.
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So you have ideas
that you bring to the text.
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And many people
are not even aware
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that there are presuppositions
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lenses through
which you read Scripture,
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and presuppositions
are powerful things
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because you look at Jesus.
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The Bible says
that Jesus is the Word.
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And from an external appearance,
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Jesus looked like a
peasant first century Jew,
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didn't have a lot of
money and was going around
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with a bunch of fishermen.
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But it was interesting
because the Jewish population,
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the elite of the
Jewish population
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looked at Jesus,
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they didn't see anything.
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Yeah.
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They didn't see anything,
when John the Baptist said,
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"Behold, the lamb of God
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who takes away the
sins of this world."
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They looked at Jesus
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and saw nothing but an imposter
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because of the presuppositions
of what the Messiah was to be.
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And those were
cultural presuppositions
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that Jesus was to come as a King
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or the Messiah was to come.
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So cultural meaning that
was taught in the schools,
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or maybe what mommy
and daddy told them, okay.
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It was a
political lens conveniently
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so that the Messiah would
come and overthrow the Romans
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and re-establish
the Jewish prominence
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as a political entity.
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So that was a
very powerful idea.
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And that
presupposition was an ideal
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that they weren't
willing to give up
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I've never
thought of it as an ideal,
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but it's an interesting one.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely 'cause
they held to that.
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The held to that,
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no matter how much
evidence that Jesus gave,
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no matter that Jesus rose a man
from the dead after four days.
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You can read the Bible,
you know, the Jews were there
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and where did they go?
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Where did they go?
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They went back to Jerusalem
and what was their discussion?
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Oh, Jesus might be the Messiah.
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No, they said,
"We want to kill Jesus
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and we want to
kill Lazarus as well."
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The evidence. Right.
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That's idolatry.
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In other words,
you have a dead man
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that's been raised alive.
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And rather than
relooking at your ideas,
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they rather kill the evidence.
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They rather kill the evidence.
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And so, it's
not the availability
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or the lack of
availability of truth.
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It's the
hypocrisy of the search.
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So people like, you
know, show me the truth,
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show me the
truth, show me the truth.
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And then you
show them the truth.
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And it conflicts
with their presupposition,
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which is an ideal.
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And rather than having
this challenge their idea,
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they'd rather kill the evidence
because this is an ideal.
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This is an idol.
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And these are
even religious ideas...
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Religious ideas.
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Because these are
religious leaders.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So shows you how
powerful these ideas are.
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And we hold on to them.
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And many times
we think of ideals
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in terms of like
materialism my car,
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my house, my
job, my bank account.
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And those are real ideals,
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but we live in an age
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our ideals are also ideological,
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our ideas.
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Wow.
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And if we're coming to a place
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that is so polarized in society,
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where we can look
at the same evidence,
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the same video clip,
the same information,
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and people are on opposite sides
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of the conclusion of
viewing the same evidence.
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Why is that?
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Is because of
the presuppositions
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that are there.
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And that's why our
world is so polarized
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because we hold
on to those ideas.
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So this is what we're
talking about tonight,
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because the key word here
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that I see on this
title is surrendering.
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Absolutely, surrendering.
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So you're going
to tell us how we,
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because we all have
these presuppositions.
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We all have these ideas. Yeah.
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And we get them from culture.
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We get them from the media.
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Every time we
read a news article,
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every time we
listen to the radio,
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every time we
go on the internet,
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we are getting ideas in our head
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that are presuppositional,
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that are frameworks
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that impinge on
how we see the world
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and we get them unconsciously.
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And many people think
that they're being objective
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when reality
they're viewing life
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through the lens
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of their chosen
presuppositional framework.
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That was my question.
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How do I know I
have a presupposition?
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Because it's easy to say,
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well, this person
leans to the right
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and this person
leans to the left,
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but I'm balanced.
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So how do I even know
if I have a presupposition
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that I'm holding on to?
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I've never met a
person that's imbalanced
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or thinks that
they're imbalanced.
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Or thinks that
they are imbalanced.
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Everybody thinks
they are balanced.
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And here's the thing
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is that all of us will
push in our study today.
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All of us have ideas in our head
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that God is
calling us to surrender.
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Oh, wow. All of us, all of us.
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So I'm not exempt
from tonight's study.
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None of us have,
have, can come to the place
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where we say all
the ideas in my head
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are as pure as God is
on His throne right now.
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And I don't have
any area in my mind
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that I need to surrender.
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And the beauty of it is
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that in our study of Scripture,
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even for the
converted and sanctified person,
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we always go back to the text
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and we read and
the Holy Spirit says,
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hey, there's an idea in there
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that you got from society
that I'm calling you to let go.
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Oh, wow.
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And look, sanctification
is the work of a lifetime.
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Sure is.
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When we typically
think of sanctification
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in terms of our addictions
and character and granted,
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that's so true,
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but the Bible points out
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that
sanctification also involves
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what's in here in
terms of our ideas.
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And that's why the Bible says,
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bringing into
captivity every thought
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to the obedience of Christ.
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In other words, the
sanctification of ideas
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is a process that goes
into your entire lifetime.
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Wow. It's never done.
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You don't say,
oh, I finally arrived.
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I had become
balanced and yes, perfect.
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Yeah, yeah. That's dangerous.
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Purely objective. Yeah, yeah.
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That's actually a
dangerous place to be.
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Yes, it is.
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And so you can be
in a humble position
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standing on the
platform of truth,
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but in a position of
saying, Lord, sanctify my ideas
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through a continual
process of surrender.
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So the sanctification of
ideas is a never ending process.
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You're going to walk
us through this tonight.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Shall we pray? Yes, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Father in heaven, Lord, tonight,
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we ask for the Holy Spirit,
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the great teacher
to guide our thoughts.
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We've just
acknowledged our weakness.
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We are fallen. We are frail.
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We are need of the Holy Spirit.
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And so we ask
for the Holy Spirit
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to inspire our study,
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be with all those that
are joining us tonight,
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you know, where they're at,
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you know, the
struggles and the heartaches
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and the burdens that they bear,
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may You
minister to them tonight.
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And as we open the Word of God,
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may You inspire,
may You instruct,
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may You lead us by Your grace
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as we go through this topic
of surrendering every thought
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to the obedience of Christ,
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for we ask these things in
the precious name of Jesus.
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Amen. Amen.
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Wow, powerful. Amen.
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Well, let's go to
our first text here.
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I have it here
on our study guide.
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And when we, when we
look through this idea
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of surrendering our ideas,
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the foundational starting point,
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even before we
can begin a discussion
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about sanctifying our ideas
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is that the Bible
brings out that ground zero
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is this concept of conversion.
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Spiritual things are
spiritually discerned.
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That's right.
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And which is
ultimately surrender.
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Surrendering of our
heart to Jesus is the ground
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from which surrendering
our ideas comes from.
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So we can't even talk
about surrendering our ideas
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if we don't
talk about conversion
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and giving our heart
to the Lord, Jesus Christ.
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And this is so essential.
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This is from 1 Corinthians 2:14,
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"But the natural man
receiveth not the things
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of the Spirit of God:
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but they are foolishness to him:
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neither can he know them,
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because they are
spiritually discerned."
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And so, typically when
we think of conversion,
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we think about
conversion of our hearts.
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That's right. Yes.
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But there is also
illumination that takes place
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in how we
perceive spiritual things.
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So when we look
about the changed life,
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we cannot
separate the changed life
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from the changed
perception of reality.
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So if you are converted,
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you're going to
see things differently.
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You're going to
recognize things differently.
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You're going to
view reality differently.
00:22:42.66\00:22:45.09
So that's, that's ground zero.
00:22:45.13\00:22:46.86
And when you look at
the conversion of Paul,
00:22:46.90\00:22:49.90
or I should say Saul of
Tarsus to Paul the Apostle,
00:22:49.93\00:22:54.47
it was not only a
conversion of life
00:22:54.50\00:22:59.01
in terms of his heart.
00:22:59.04\00:23:01.51
This is talking
about a traumatic reversal
00:23:01.54\00:23:05.88
in how he viewed Jesus Christ.
00:23:05.91\00:23:08.28
You're talking about
an all or nothing guy.
00:23:08.32\00:23:10.52
This guy is out to
kill every Christian.
00:23:10.59\00:23:13.96
The Bible says,
he's dragging them
00:23:13.99\00:23:15.32
out of homes and
placing them in prison.
00:23:15.36\00:23:17.86
And he's on to
the road to Damascus.
00:23:17.89\00:23:19.33
And he's a
member of the Sanhedrin.
00:23:19.36\00:23:21.00
He's killing Christians.
00:23:21.03\00:23:22.70
He sees Jesus. He meets Jesus.
00:23:22.73\00:23:25.07
And in just a few verses,
00:23:25.10\00:23:27.10
he goes from killing
Christians to being a Christian,
00:23:27.14\00:23:30.77
to preaching Jesus.
00:23:30.81\00:23:32.54
So you're talking
about a dramatic reversal.
00:23:32.57\00:23:36.24
And in one of my favorite books,
00:23:36.28\00:23:37.61
Acts of the Apostles,
00:23:37.65\00:23:39.71
the author brings out this idea
00:23:39.75\00:23:42.78
that on the road to
Damascus when he saw Jesus
00:23:42.82\00:23:46.39
that through his mind flashed
00:23:46.42\00:23:49.69
the prophetic
record of Scripture,
00:23:49.72\00:23:51.53
and he put them all together
00:23:51.56\00:23:53.80
and suddenly he was making sense
00:23:53.86\00:23:56.70
of all those prophecies
that were in his head.
00:23:56.73\00:23:59.60
And what you're
noticing with Paul
00:23:59.63\00:24:02.27
is that suddenly
those texts in his head
00:24:02.30\00:24:07.01
that were not a part
of his interpretive lens
00:24:07.08\00:24:13.92
were really replaced by
or were really in there,
00:24:13.95\00:24:18.42
the interpretive
lens up to that point
00:24:18.45\00:24:20.16
had been tradition,
00:24:20.19\00:24:21.52
had been the first century
presuppositional framework,
00:24:21.56\00:24:25.06
but the data was in there.
00:24:25.09\00:24:26.83
They just weren't operating
00:24:26.90\00:24:28.66
in terms of
00:24:28.70\00:24:30.03
a macro
hermeneutical perspective
00:24:30.07\00:24:32.33
in terms of the
interpretive lens.
00:24:32.37\00:24:34.14
And this is important for
us to recognize as Christians.
00:24:34.20\00:24:37.74
You can have texts in your mind,
00:24:37.77\00:24:41.14
but if it's not
operating as the lens
00:24:41.18\00:24:43.51
through which you view reality,
00:24:43.55\00:24:46.68
you're going to come
to a different conclusion.
00:24:46.72\00:24:48.82
In other words, we can
be a Christian all our lives
00:24:48.85\00:24:51.12
and have data in
our mind from the text.
00:24:51.15\00:24:54.06
But if we have the
media, if we have society,
00:24:54.12\00:24:57.19
if we have culture,
00:24:57.23\00:24:58.56
that's going to
become our worldview
00:24:58.59\00:25:00.13
for interpretation,
00:25:00.16\00:25:01.73
then this data
is not functioning
00:25:01.76\00:25:04.07
in the way that it should be.
00:25:04.10\00:25:05.63
And that's the
issue with Saul of Tarsus
00:25:05.67\00:25:08.10
who later became Paul.
00:25:08.14\00:25:09.47
So I'm thinking of the
Ten Commandments, right?
00:25:09.50\00:25:12.04
Many denominations
read the Ten Commandments,
00:25:12.07\00:25:13.78
Exodus 20, fourth commandment
00:25:13.81\00:25:15.61
being the seventh
day Sabbath, right?
00:25:15.64\00:25:17.45
And then, okay, don't
think anything of it, right?
00:25:17.48\00:25:19.91
Still go to church on
Sunday, thinking as Sabbath.
00:25:19.95\00:25:22.85
But that's what
culture, family tradition.
00:25:22.88\00:25:25.39
They've got the text
in their mind tradition,
00:25:25.42\00:25:27.66
but yeah, the viewing aspect
00:25:27.69\00:25:29.62
that you're
talking about, right?
00:25:29.66\00:25:30.99
That would be an
example. Absolutely.
00:25:31.03\00:25:32.53
I mean, how many people
know the Ten Commandments?
00:25:32.56\00:25:34.60
Everybody, it's
plastered everywhere,
00:25:34.63\00:25:36.53
but you read many people,
00:25:36.56\00:25:37.90
99% of the people
read the fourth commandment
00:25:37.93\00:25:41.27
and they just go right over it.
00:25:41.30\00:25:42.64
Why?
00:25:42.67\00:25:44.01
Because tradition has become
00:25:44.07\00:25:45.41
the macro
hermeneutical framework
00:25:45.44\00:25:47.34
for interpreting that text.
00:25:47.38\00:25:49.54
And rather than
letting that text challenge
00:25:49.58\00:25:54.08
the idea that's
framing what that text is.
00:25:54.12\00:25:58.72
So, presuppositions
are powerful, are powerful.
00:25:58.75\00:26:03.66
So, Saul of Tarsus,
00:26:03.69\00:26:05.46
his conversion experience
00:26:05.49\00:26:07.93
was not only a
reversal of the heart
00:26:07.96\00:26:12.37
and a transformation.
00:26:12.40\00:26:13.87
It was also a
dramatic ideological reversal
00:26:13.94\00:26:17.74
in which he had to let go
00:26:17.77\00:26:19.54
of these precious
ideals in his mind
00:26:19.57\00:26:23.95
that he had been holding onto
00:26:23.98\00:26:25.48
and enacting out
by killing Christians.
00:26:25.51\00:26:27.72
He's got to come to
the conclusion of like,
00:26:27.75\00:26:29.58
who are you?
00:26:29.62\00:26:30.99
Remember when Jesus
appeared, who are you?
00:26:31.02\00:26:32.69
And he says, "I am Jesus,
whom you are persecuting."
00:26:32.72\00:26:35.96
And then he's
like, huh, I'm wrong.
00:26:35.99\00:26:39.76
Yeah.
00:26:39.79\00:26:41.10
In other words, these
ideas have been ideals
00:26:41.13\00:26:44.47
and suddenly he
comes to the conviction
00:26:44.50\00:26:48.14
that he's wrong.
00:26:48.17\00:26:49.64
And here's the moment
that we all face at some point
00:26:49.67\00:26:53.98
on a macro or micro
level, bigger, small.
00:26:54.04\00:26:57.61
What do we do
when we come in contact
00:26:57.65\00:27:01.02
with the Word
00:27:01.05\00:27:02.38
and its overwhelming evidence
00:27:02.42\00:27:05.32
that challenges
our most precious ideas
00:27:05.35\00:27:08.92
and says, David,
00:27:08.96\00:27:11.23
those ideas are
wrong and they're ideals
00:27:11.26\00:27:14.63
and you need to let them go?
00:27:14.66\00:27:16.77
Whoo, I mean, I
mean like that's,
00:27:16.80\00:27:18.70
that's where Saul of Tarsus was,
00:27:18.73\00:27:20.14
because look, this is
not just talking about
00:27:20.17\00:27:21.97
an ideological change.
00:27:22.00\00:27:23.34
This changes
everything. Of course.
00:27:23.41\00:27:24.74
He loses his
position on the Sanhedrin,
00:27:24.77\00:27:26.71
you know, what are people
00:27:26.78\00:27:28.11
going to think of him, you know?
00:27:28.14\00:27:29.48
And you know, all of
these social dynamics.
00:27:29.51\00:27:30.95
That's the pride.
00:27:30.98\00:27:32.31
I mean, it's gotta
be there too, right?
00:27:32.35\00:27:33.68
I'm wrong. Yeah.
00:27:33.72\00:27:35.05
I'm wrong here.
00:27:35.08\00:27:36.42
Like, you
mentioned on the Sanhedrin,
00:27:36.45\00:27:37.79
I mean an important
role he is taking it
00:27:37.82\00:27:39.15
and to make that
type of reversal.
00:27:39.19\00:27:40.52
Yeah.
00:27:40.56\00:27:41.89
You would think pride
would be just right there.
00:27:41.92\00:27:43.26
No, no, not at all.
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.63
I'm not going to do that. Yeah.
00:27:44.66\00:27:45.99
You can imagine.
That's the pressure version.
00:27:46.03\00:27:47.36
Yeah.
00:27:47.40\00:27:48.70
You can imagine the
pressure to say, you know what?
00:27:48.73\00:27:50.07
I don't care what I saw
on the road to Damascus,
00:27:50.10\00:27:51.43
like I'm not
going to believe it.
00:27:51.47\00:27:52.80
My position,
that's better. Absolutely.
00:27:52.83\00:27:54.40
To reason in there.
00:27:54.44\00:27:56.27
And here's the thing.
00:27:56.30\00:27:57.81
What happens to the
person that persistently says,
00:27:57.84\00:28:02.64
I'm going to
hold on to this idea,
00:28:02.68\00:28:05.58
no matter how much
this is telling me,
00:28:05.61\00:28:09.32
I need to let it go.
00:28:09.35\00:28:10.72
What would have happened
to Saul of Tarsus if he said,
00:28:10.75\00:28:13.69
I don't care how many texts
00:28:13.72\00:28:15.29
my mind is
bringing to the conviction?
00:28:15.32\00:28:17.36
I don't mean to care
00:28:17.39\00:28:18.76
how legitimate
this vision of Jesus is.
00:28:18.79\00:28:21.83
I'm going to hold on
to my idea from culture
00:28:21.86\00:28:24.60
rather than surrender,
00:28:24.63\00:28:25.97
submit and
surrender to the Christ
00:28:26.00\00:28:28.10
and to Scripture.
00:28:28.14\00:28:30.31
Book of Acts
would be very different,
00:28:30.34\00:28:32.41
you know, the
early Christian Church
00:28:32.44\00:28:34.01
would be very different,
00:28:34.08\00:28:35.41
the gospel
going to the Gentiles.
00:28:35.44\00:28:37.05
Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.
00:28:37.08\00:28:39.18
And so we have the majority
of the New Testament today
00:28:39.21\00:28:41.92
because one man
stood up and said,
00:28:41.95\00:28:44.79
look, I'm going
to let this ideal go.
00:28:44.82\00:28:47.46
Yep. I was wrong.
00:28:47.49\00:28:48.82
I was wrong. Wow.
00:28:48.86\00:28:50.23
Because of the
text, because of the text
00:28:50.26\00:28:52.96
and this is where we're at.
00:28:52.99\00:28:54.63
And look, it's easy to
stand in the 21st century
00:28:54.66\00:28:58.00
and look at the Bible, say,
00:28:58.03\00:28:59.37
"Oh, look at those
idolatry of ideas they had.
00:28:59.40\00:29:01.70
Oh, there's prehistoric,
pre-scientific people.
00:29:01.74\00:29:05.47
We don't have
idolatry of ideas today.
00:29:05.51\00:29:08.98
Let's not be so
naive. Let's not be so naive.
00:29:09.01\00:29:12.55
Could it be possible
that today from the media,
00:29:12.58\00:29:16.65
from what we're reading,
00:29:16.72\00:29:18.05
from what we're
listening to from our family,
00:29:18.09\00:29:19.62
from our culture,
00:29:19.65\00:29:20.99
we have ideas that
are embedded in our brain
00:29:21.02\00:29:23.56
that are just as much ideals
that society is calling us to,
00:29:23.59\00:29:29.00
to hold on to.
00:29:29.03\00:29:30.67
And we'd rather
reinterpret the text
00:29:30.70\00:29:34.30
and surrender the
idea to Lord Jesus.
00:29:34.34\00:29:37.41
So when they
question I'm gonna say,
00:29:37.44\00:29:38.77
yes, it's very
much alive and well.
00:29:38.81\00:29:40.58
I know even in my own life,
00:29:40.61\00:29:42.21
you know, 'cause you know,
we tend to hang on to things
00:29:42.24\00:29:44.05
and yeah, you're
absolutely right.
00:29:44.08\00:29:45.41
Yes.
00:29:45.45\00:29:46.82
So it's very
pertinent, relative relevant
00:29:46.85\00:29:49.48
to right we're
dealing with right now.
00:29:49.52\00:29:50.89
Absolutely.
00:29:50.92\00:29:52.82
So I want to read
this from the book,
00:29:52.85\00:29:54.32
Acts of the
Apostles page 125, 126,
00:29:54.36\00:29:57.66
"The foundation of Paul's faith
00:29:57.69\00:30:00.30
was the sure word of prophecy.
00:30:00.33\00:30:02.63
Here in the solitude
of the desert in Arabia,
00:30:02.66\00:30:05.63
he emptied his mind,
00:30:05.67\00:30:07.64
his soul of the
prejudices and traditions,
00:30:07.67\00:30:10.94
this is presuppositions,
00:30:10.97\00:30:12.54
that hitherto shaped his life
00:30:12.57\00:30:14.94
and received instruction
from the source of truth."
00:30:14.98\00:30:19.15
So here the Bible says
in the Book of Galatians
00:30:19.18\00:30:21.08
that he spent
three years in Arabia
00:30:21.12\00:30:23.18
and there's something
to be said about that.
00:30:23.22\00:30:24.95
Because many times,
00:30:24.99\00:30:26.39
God prepares men
00:30:26.42\00:30:28.96
by placing them
in the wilderness.
00:30:28.99\00:30:32.46
You look at David,
00:30:32.49\00:30:34.23
he calls him to
be king and says,
00:30:34.30\00:30:35.86
go back to being shepherd.
00:30:35.90\00:30:37.50
You look at Moses 40
years in the wilderness.
00:30:37.53\00:30:40.37
I think here
Paul. John the Baptist.
00:30:40.40\00:30:42.04
John the
Baptist, John the Baptist,
00:30:42.07\00:30:44.04
and here Paul, you
look in the Book of Acts,
00:30:44.07\00:30:47.11
you see his conversion,
00:30:47.14\00:30:48.48
then you don't
see him for a while.
00:30:48.51\00:30:50.01
Well, he was in
Arabia for three years.
00:30:50.08\00:30:52.11
And here Acts of
the Apostles indicates
00:30:52.15\00:30:54.32
that during that time
00:30:54.35\00:30:56.32
he intentionally
went through a process
00:30:56.35\00:30:59.75
of surrendering
prejudices and traditions.
00:30:59.79\00:31:04.26
What are those? Presuppositions.
00:31:04.33\00:31:06.43
You know, all those ideas.
00:31:06.46\00:31:07.76
He's like, "Oh,
that's unbiblical,
00:31:07.83\00:31:09.20
that's
unbiblical, that's unbiblical.
00:31:09.23\00:31:10.73
I need to let that go."
00:31:10.77\00:31:12.10
So he went through
this intentional process
00:31:12.13\00:31:13.90
and the person that
emerges on the other side
00:31:13.94\00:31:16.24
of that in the Book of
Acts is Paul the Apostle.
00:31:16.27\00:31:19.37
This is intense study
that he was going through.
00:31:19.41\00:31:21.71
You know, it's
interesting that God did
00:31:21.74\00:31:23.08
that such dramatic, right?
00:31:23.11\00:31:24.45
Boom. Right?
00:31:24.48\00:31:25.81
Who are your persecuting?
00:31:25.85\00:31:27.18
You're persecuting Jesus Christ.
00:31:27.22\00:31:28.55
That was dramatic, right?
00:31:28.58\00:31:29.92
That's dramatic. Yeah.
00:31:29.95\00:31:31.29
But then God allowed him
00:31:31.32\00:31:32.65
because he could
have given him everything,
00:31:32.69\00:31:34.02
but he allowed him to
go through that experience
00:31:34.06\00:31:35.39
to study in depth
search of the Word of God
00:31:35.42\00:31:37.09
for three years.
00:31:37.13\00:31:38.46
Three years. That's powerful.
00:31:38.49\00:31:39.83
And it's where God says, look,
00:31:39.86\00:31:41.90
I want to put the pause button
00:31:41.93\00:31:44.10
and have you
engage the Word of God,
00:31:44.13\00:31:47.37
so that you can
have a solid foundation.
00:31:47.40\00:31:49.20
And when you look
in the Book of Acts,
00:31:49.24\00:31:51.21
the apostle that got it
00:31:51.24\00:31:55.04
in terms of emptying his
mind of the presuppositions
00:31:55.08\00:31:57.38
more than any other
apostle was the Apostle Paul,
00:31:57.41\00:32:00.22
was the Apostle Paul.
00:32:00.25\00:32:01.58
And we'll go through that
study as we continue today.
00:32:01.62\00:32:04.52
I had a question,
I was just thinking
00:32:04.55\00:32:05.99
of the disciples
on the road to Emmaus,
00:32:06.02\00:32:08.29
and they had
presuppositions, right?
00:32:08.32\00:32:09.82
And Jesus
Himself began with Moses
00:32:09.86\00:32:12.69
and the prophets and
unfolded the scriptures
00:32:12.73\00:32:14.50
that they already knew,
00:32:14.56\00:32:16.13
but it was like their minds
00:32:16.16\00:32:18.70
were open to
see it in a new way.
00:32:18.73\00:32:20.94
So what I was wondering,
00:32:20.97\00:32:22.30
because of course you could say,
00:32:22.34\00:32:23.67
well, that was Jesus
Himself teaching them.
00:32:23.71\00:32:25.17
In this sense, God
Himself taught Paul
00:32:25.21\00:32:28.41
in the
wilderness there in Arabia.
00:32:28.44\00:32:30.11
Do you think when we...
00:32:30.15\00:32:32.95
When the Holy Spirit
impresses on our minds
00:32:32.98\00:32:35.02
these presuppositions
and we set them aside,
00:32:35.05\00:32:38.12
do you think
that's a individual work
00:32:38.15\00:32:40.22
that's just between us and God
00:32:40.26\00:32:42.32
or do other people have input
00:32:42.36\00:32:44.53
sometimes into that process
00:32:44.56\00:32:46.19
of identifying
these presuppositions
00:32:46.23\00:32:48.50
and helping us
rid ourselves of that?
00:32:48.53\00:32:51.27
Yeah. That's a
fascinating question.
00:32:51.30\00:32:52.87
Because when you see
in the Book of Galatians,
00:32:52.90\00:32:54.70
he says he spent
three years in Arabia,
00:32:54.74\00:32:56.44
but then after that he
went and visited Peter.
00:32:56.47\00:33:00.48
So it tells you that
theological reflection
00:33:00.51\00:33:03.08
takes place in
solitude and community.
00:33:03.11\00:33:07.25
There's a
tension between the two.
00:33:07.32\00:33:09.48
So, that you can't say, look,
00:33:09.52\00:33:11.32
I've gone through
this process by myself.
00:33:11.35\00:33:12.89
I have no
accountability to the body.
00:33:12.92\00:33:15.06
So the individual
theological reflection,
00:33:15.09\00:33:17.76
it can enhance
the vision of the body
00:33:17.79\00:33:21.50
like Paul did,
but at the same time,
00:33:21.53\00:33:23.33
there's
accountability by the body
00:33:23.37\00:33:26.13
in terms of
continuity and corroboration.
00:33:26.17\00:33:30.01
So, absolutely.
00:33:30.07\00:33:31.47
I think that God
works through the church
00:33:31.51\00:33:34.98
through the Holy Spirit.
00:33:35.01\00:33:36.64
And it is through
this collective process
00:33:36.71\00:33:40.58
that is also individual.
00:33:40.62\00:33:43.02
And you can see
that in the life of Paul
00:33:43.05\00:33:45.59
in terms of his
own transformation,
00:33:45.62\00:33:47.86
but you see
immediately after the road
00:33:47.89\00:33:50.13
to Damascus
experience, what does God do?
00:33:50.19\00:33:53.76
Puts him in contact
with Ananias, the church.
00:33:53.80\00:33:57.67
So, it's not like,
hey, you're on your own,
00:33:57.70\00:33:59.40
you know, lone
ranger, just go for it.
00:33:59.43\00:34:02.20
But you also see that personal
00:34:02.24\00:34:05.07
and that collective
00:34:05.11\00:34:06.68
in terms of how
this process takes place.
00:34:06.71\00:34:09.84
And so absolutely,
00:34:09.88\00:34:11.21
I think that through
the community of faith,
00:34:11.25\00:34:13.11
through the church,
00:34:13.15\00:34:14.58
we are challenged in
terms of ideas and look,
00:34:14.62\00:34:19.79
every, every sermon,
00:34:19.82\00:34:21.66
every sermon is an
opportunity for the Holy Spirit
00:34:21.69\00:34:23.56
to work and say,
00:34:23.63\00:34:24.96
you know, David,
00:34:24.99\00:34:26.33
there's some ideas in there
00:34:26.36\00:34:27.66
that that you need to
rethink and reevaluate
00:34:27.73\00:34:32.80
every Bible study in a
small group and so forth.
00:34:32.83\00:34:35.04
There's an
opportunity for us to say,
00:34:35.07\00:34:36.47
Lord, I
surrender my ideas to you.
00:34:36.50\00:34:39.61
Yes.
00:34:39.64\00:34:40.98
I was thinking of the early
Christian Church leaders too,
00:34:41.01\00:34:42.81
because here's
Paul who was after them
00:34:42.84\00:34:44.21
and killing them.
00:34:44.25\00:34:45.58
And now they've also
got ideas about him, right?
00:34:45.61\00:34:47.38
And then here he
comes to them for help.
00:34:47.42\00:34:48.75
Yeah.
00:34:48.78\00:34:50.12
They've got also then
changed their ideas of Paul,
00:34:50.15\00:34:51.82
like, okay, God is
doing a work in him, right?
00:34:51.85\00:34:54.86
Yeah,
absolutely, in the beginning.
00:34:54.89\00:34:56.89
Yeah. Yeah. They were scared.
00:34:56.93\00:34:58.33
You're right.
00:34:58.36\00:34:59.69
I would be
scared too. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:59.73\00:35:01.10
I mean, this guy's
like, you know, the Gestapo,
00:35:01.13\00:35:03.47
they're going out to kill you,
00:35:03.50\00:35:04.83
and then suddenly he's preaching
00:35:04.87\00:35:06.30
and you're kinda like,
"Whoa, what's going on."
00:35:06.33\00:35:07.97
So this was, this
was a dramatic shift
00:35:08.00\00:35:10.51
in the Christian Church
and the Christian community
00:35:10.54\00:35:13.01
and involved an
individual that did like,
00:35:13.04\00:35:16.11
he's going, you
know, he's all or nothing.
00:35:16.14\00:35:17.95
He's going killing Christians.
00:35:17.98\00:35:20.12
And then he's
then converting others
00:35:20.15\00:35:22.52
to Christianity, dramatic.
00:35:22.55\00:35:24.35
The church then
has to the next step,
00:35:24.39\00:35:25.72
them saying, okay, God is
doing something in his life.
00:35:25.75\00:35:28.09
Yeah. So, he challenged them.
00:35:28.12\00:35:30.96
And then he comes
around to challenge them
00:35:30.99\00:35:33.73
on their own
presuppositional framework.
00:35:33.80\00:35:35.20
Isn't that
amazing actually? Yeah.
00:35:35.23\00:35:37.53
Praise the Lord
for the Holy Spirit.
00:35:37.57\00:35:38.90
Yeah. The Holy Spirit works.
00:35:38.93\00:35:40.27
And the beauty of this
00:35:40.30\00:35:41.64
is when I come in
contact with individuals
00:35:41.67\00:35:44.94
that are like just
never in my human estimation,
00:35:44.97\00:35:49.91
going to give up their ideas,
you know, just entrenched.
00:35:49.94\00:35:53.88
Paul gives me hope, right?
00:35:53.92\00:35:55.92
Is that, look, you can
never write anyone off.
00:35:55.95\00:35:57.85
And in the first century,
00:35:57.89\00:35:59.22
if there was someone
that you could write off
00:35:59.25\00:36:01.36
and say like, look, this person
00:36:01.39\00:36:03.46
is never going to get it,
00:36:03.49\00:36:05.16
never gonna join Christianity.
00:36:05.19\00:36:07.23
It would have been Paul,
00:36:07.23\00:36:08.56
like he would
have been number one,
00:36:08.60\00:36:09.93
say like, look,
that brother is hopeless.
00:36:09.96\00:36:11.43
I mean, he's
killing us. All right.
00:36:11.47\00:36:13.17
And, but it gives us
hope. It gives us hope.
00:36:13.20\00:36:15.97
So to those of us
00:36:16.00\00:36:18.61
that have
experienced persecution,
00:36:18.64\00:36:21.88
just recognize
that the proponent
00:36:21.91\00:36:24.78
of persecution,
00:36:24.81\00:36:26.15
the person that's
at the point of that
00:36:26.18\00:36:28.92
could be a
Paul, could be a Paul.
00:36:28.95\00:36:31.25
And just to, by the
grace of God exhibit
00:36:31.29\00:36:33.36
a Christ-like character
00:36:33.39\00:36:34.96
and that anyone can
have a theological reversal
00:36:34.99\00:36:38.19
if Paul can, if Paul can.
00:36:38.23\00:36:39.56
Yep.
00:36:39.59\00:36:40.93
And so this is
a beautiful thing.
00:36:40.96\00:36:42.93
So conversion is essential.
00:36:42.96\00:36:46.60
Conversion involves
the surrender of our lives
00:36:46.63\00:36:50.17
to Jesus as Savior and Lord,
00:36:50.21\00:36:53.01
and lordship involves
ideological ideals as well.
00:36:53.04\00:36:58.08
So you say, Lord,
I surrender my life
00:36:58.11\00:37:00.75
and my ideas,
whoo, to your lordship.
00:37:00.78\00:37:04.39
And that's what Paul did.
00:37:04.42\00:37:06.45
This was a surrender of ideas.
00:37:06.49\00:37:08.66
There's another
thing that involves
00:37:08.69\00:37:11.06
the ground for continued
spiritual illumination,
00:37:11.09\00:37:17.27
conversion.
00:37:17.30\00:37:18.90
And then when you look
at the sanctuary model,
00:37:18.93\00:37:21.77
there's the courtyard
00:37:21.80\00:37:23.71
where we experienced conversion.
00:37:23.74\00:37:25.14
You come in the Lamb of God
00:37:25.17\00:37:27.81
and you
surrender, you're baptized.
00:37:27.84\00:37:30.35
Justification.
Yeah, justification.
00:37:30.38\00:37:32.28
And that's what Paul
has experienced here.
00:37:32.31\00:37:34.02
And you see the
surrender of life,
00:37:34.05\00:37:36.02
the surrender of ideas,
00:37:36.05\00:37:37.39
but then you go into
the Holy Place experience.
00:37:37.42\00:37:40.26
And the unique thing
about the Holy Place experience
00:37:40.29\00:37:43.19
is that the
articles of furniture
00:37:43.22\00:37:47.00
are situated in a way
00:37:47.03\00:37:48.96
that there is not a
clear numerical order.
00:37:49.00\00:37:53.44
In other words, the
structure of the sanctuary
00:37:53.50\00:37:55.24
you walk in
00:37:55.27\00:37:56.60
and it's clear
what's number one, right?
00:37:56.67\00:37:58.41
The altar, okay, then the laver,
00:37:58.44\00:38:00.81
then the next
compartment is the Holy Place.
00:38:00.84\00:38:03.08
But then you go in there
and they're not in align.
00:38:03.11\00:38:06.18
True. They're in...
00:38:06.21\00:38:07.55
That's right.
They're in a configuration.
00:38:07.58\00:38:12.05
You're kind of like,
okay, which one do I do first?
00:38:12.09\00:38:15.32
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:15.36\00:38:16.69
It's kind of like, okay,
00:38:16.76\00:38:18.09
there's not a
clear, implied order.
00:38:18.13\00:38:21.20
And I believe
that's intentional.
00:38:21.23\00:38:22.86
I believe that's intentional.
00:38:22.90\00:38:24.40
All of those
articles of furniture
00:38:24.43\00:38:27.14
have the Hebrew word tamid
that is associated with them,
00:38:27.17\00:38:30.64
which involves
continually and daily.
00:38:30.71\00:38:34.71
And so the lampstand was to be
00:38:34.74\00:38:36.85
continually
burning daily burning,
00:38:36.88\00:38:39.01
the bread was to be continually
00:38:39.05\00:38:41.22
before the presence of God.
00:38:41.25\00:38:42.92
And then the altar of incense
00:38:42.95\00:38:44.55
was to be continually giving off
00:38:44.59\00:38:46.79
the incense.
00:38:46.86\00:38:48.19
And so you get in there.
00:38:48.22\00:38:49.56
And the
implication is that the tamid
00:38:49.59\00:38:52.86
is that the
Holy Place experience
00:38:52.89\00:38:56.06
is to be a cyclical experience.
00:38:56.10\00:38:58.67
Oh, that's good.
00:38:58.70\00:39:00.10
In other words, there to
A B experience concurrently.
00:39:00.17\00:39:03.97
Wow.
00:39:04.04\00:39:05.37
At the same time
continually at the same time,
00:39:05.41\00:39:09.64
you know, the
courtyard experience
00:39:09.68\00:39:12.55
is very particular.
00:39:12.58\00:39:14.05
In other words, it's a
point like justification,
00:39:14.08\00:39:16.35
you know, you just, it happens,
00:39:16.38\00:39:17.92
you know, and,
and then you go in
00:39:17.95\00:39:19.32
through the Holy Place
00:39:19.35\00:39:20.79
and it's like this never
ending cyclical experience.
00:39:20.82\00:39:25.36
Now, an interesting part
of the Holy Place experience
00:39:25.39\00:39:28.86
is that the priest would come in
00:39:28.90\00:39:31.73
daily with the oil
00:39:31.77\00:39:33.84
and pour the oil
into the lampstands.
00:39:33.87\00:39:38.47
The priest represents
Jesus, Hebrews Chapter 8,
00:39:38.51\00:39:41.34
the oil
represents the Holy Spirit.
00:39:41.38\00:39:44.05
The candlesticks
represent us, the church.
00:39:44.08\00:39:46.82
And notice what's happening?
00:39:46.85\00:39:48.18
It's being poured in,
00:39:48.22\00:39:50.29
the Holy Spirit is
being poured in by Jesus,
00:39:50.32\00:39:52.39
into His church, into us.
00:39:52.42\00:39:54.49
The result of that is what?
00:39:54.52\00:39:56.73
Light, there's
light. So you can see.
00:39:56.76\00:39:58.83
So you can see, and
there's only one source
00:39:58.86\00:40:00.93
of light in the Holy Place.
00:40:00.96\00:40:02.83
They didn't have a skylight.
00:40:02.86\00:40:04.23
The one source of
light was that candlestick.
00:40:04.27\00:40:07.00
Right. The candlesticks.
00:40:07.04\00:40:08.97
And the interesting thing is,
00:40:09.00\00:40:10.61
when you go into the sanctuary
00:40:10.67\00:40:12.24
and you face the candlesticks,
00:40:12.27\00:40:13.64
and then you turn
around toward the right,
00:40:13.68\00:40:15.54
you see the bread, right?
00:40:15.58\00:40:16.91
Yeah.
00:40:16.95\00:40:18.28
The only way to see the
bread is with the light.
00:40:18.31\00:40:20.48
Oh, that's good.
00:40:20.52\00:40:21.85
And you only get the
light from the Holy Spirit.
00:40:21.88\00:40:24.19
Yeah. Fascinating.
00:40:24.25\00:40:25.59
Fascinating.
00:40:25.62\00:40:26.96
Now, that is fascinating.
00:40:26.99\00:40:28.32
So the key to
continual spiritual illumination
00:40:28.36\00:40:33.36
is the filling
of the Holy Spirit
00:40:33.40\00:40:35.76
on a daily basis.
00:40:35.80\00:40:37.43
So you experience justification.
00:40:37.50\00:40:39.37
You go into the Holy Place.
00:40:39.40\00:40:40.77
To continual experience,
you need light every day,
00:40:40.80\00:40:43.54
you need the illumination,
00:40:43.57\00:40:44.91
you need the
fruit of the spirit.
00:40:44.94\00:40:46.27
And the way that
you see the bread
00:40:46.31\00:40:49.58
is through the spirit,
00:40:49.61\00:40:50.95
the light, that
light that comes out.
00:40:50.98\00:40:52.75
And so this is
an important part.
00:40:52.78\00:40:54.28
So ground zero, the courtyard,
00:40:54.32\00:40:57.62
justification,
surrender of our life to Jesus,
00:40:57.65\00:41:00.79
and then the
continued indwelling
00:41:00.86\00:41:03.12
of the Holy Spirit inside of us,
00:41:03.16\00:41:05.76
so that we can see,
00:41:05.79\00:41:07.13
so that we can see
00:41:07.20\00:41:08.50
and understand spiritual things.
00:41:08.53\00:41:09.90
And so it's a continual process
00:41:09.93\00:41:11.90
that keeps on going after that.
00:41:11.93\00:41:14.57
Yeah, very fascinating.
00:41:14.60\00:41:15.94
And, you know, the Book of Luke
was written by the same author
00:41:15.97\00:41:19.57
as the Book of Acts.
00:41:19.61\00:41:21.54
And it's interesting
00:41:21.58\00:41:23.11
because if you go
to Luke Chapter 1,
00:41:23.14\00:41:25.75
you can see how being
filled with the Holy Spirit
00:41:25.78\00:41:30.35
brings with it illumination.
00:41:30.39\00:41:34.59
If you go to Luke Chapter 1
00:41:34.62\00:41:36.89
and you see the description
00:41:36.93\00:41:41.00
of John the
Baptist to Zacharias,
00:41:41.03\00:41:45.17
it's fascinating description.
00:41:45.20\00:41:46.53
Luke 1:15,
00:41:46.57\00:41:48.04
here's Zacharias is
being given a description
00:41:48.07\00:41:51.04
of his son who is to
be born of Elizabeth.
00:41:51.07\00:41:54.01
In Luke 1:15,
00:41:54.04\00:41:55.74
"For he shall be great
in the sight of the Lord
00:41:55.78\00:41:58.85
and shall drink
neither wine nor strong drink.
00:41:58.88\00:42:02.35
He'll be filled
with the Holy Spirit,
00:42:02.38\00:42:04.95
even from his mother's womb."
00:42:04.99\00:42:06.62
So here we have a
description, very unique.
00:42:06.65\00:42:10.53
And look, the Book of Luke
begins with John the Baptist
00:42:10.56\00:42:14.76
being filled
with the Holy Spirit.
00:42:14.83\00:42:16.43
The Book of Acts
begins with the church
00:42:16.46\00:42:18.67
being filled
with the Holy Spirit,
00:42:18.70\00:42:20.04
same author, same author.
00:42:20.10\00:42:21.44
So here in utero,
00:42:21.47\00:42:23.77
the Bible says
that John the Baptist
00:42:23.81\00:42:26.84
is going to be
filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:42:26.88\00:42:29.34
Now, I don't know
exactly what that all means,
00:42:29.38\00:42:32.41
but I will tell you
what the Bible describes,
00:42:32.45\00:42:35.22
what it does.
00:42:35.25\00:42:36.58
So if you go to Luke Chapter 1,
00:42:36.65\00:42:39.45
we have this
story that continues on
00:42:39.49\00:42:41.86
because Mary's told
that she's going to be
00:42:41.89\00:42:44.53
with child as well.
00:42:44.56\00:42:46.56
And then Mary goes
and greets Elizabeth
00:42:46.59\00:42:49.63
in Luke1:40,
00:42:49.66\00:42:54.00
or I should say, verse 39.
00:42:54.07\00:42:56.47
"Now Mary arose in those days
00:42:56.50\00:42:57.91
and went into the
hill country of Judah,
00:42:57.94\00:43:00.61
and entered into
the house of Zacharias
00:43:00.68\00:43:03.01
and greeted Elizabeth.
00:43:03.04\00:43:04.55
And it happened,
while Elizabeth heard
00:43:04.58\00:43:06.51
the greeting of Mary,
00:43:06.55\00:43:07.88
that the baby
leaped in her womb,
00:43:07.92\00:43:10.59
and Elizabeth was
filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:43:10.62\00:43:13.15
Then she spoke with
a loud voice and said,
00:43:13.19\00:43:15.49
'Blessed are you among women,
00:43:15.52\00:43:17.89
for blessed is the
fruit of your womb!
00:43:17.93\00:43:20.60
Why is it granted to me,
00:43:20.63\00:43:22.50
that the mother of my
Lord should come to me?'"
00:43:22.53\00:43:25.33
So let me show you
what's happening here.
00:43:25.37\00:43:28.34
Mary's just been told
you're going to have a child.
00:43:28.37\00:43:30.87
And that child
is going to be God.
00:43:30.91\00:43:32.97
At this time,
Elizabeth is six months pregnant
00:43:33.01\00:43:35.24
with John the Baptist,
00:43:35.28\00:43:36.61
who the Bible says is
filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:43:36.64\00:43:38.08
So this is the picture.
00:43:38.11\00:43:39.71
Mary comes in the
house says, hi, Mary.
00:43:39.75\00:43:43.35
Elizabeth looks at Mary
and says, you're pregnant.
00:43:43.39\00:43:48.62
And you're pregnant with God.
00:43:48.66\00:43:51.93
I mean, that's
exactly what's happened.
00:43:51.96\00:43:53.76
I mean, you can't even tell,
00:43:53.80\00:43:55.10
I mean, she's not showing right.
00:43:55.13\00:43:56.60
You're pregnant and
you're pregnant with God.
00:43:56.63\00:43:59.23
Wow. Wow.
00:43:59.27\00:44:00.67
Now, how did she know that?
00:44:00.74\00:44:03.41
Look at her
description in verse 44,
00:44:03.44\00:44:05.24
"For indeed, as
soon as the voice
00:44:05.27\00:44:06.88
of your greeting
sounded in my years,
00:44:06.91\00:44:09.18
the babe leaped
in my womb for joy."
00:44:09.21\00:44:12.18
So here's, what's happening.
00:44:12.21\00:44:13.92
In other words, in
utero John the Baptist
00:44:13.95\00:44:17.09
filled with the Holy Spirit
00:44:17.12\00:44:19.55
recognized that he was
in the presence of God.
00:44:19.59\00:44:24.63
Whoo!
00:44:24.66\00:44:26.80
So I don't know exactly
what it means to be filled
00:44:26.83\00:44:28.50
with the Holy Spirit in utero,
00:44:28.53\00:44:29.86
but I'll show you what it does.
00:44:29.90\00:44:31.37
It gives you
spiritual perception.
00:44:31.40\00:44:34.70
Oh, that's good.
00:44:34.74\00:44:36.07
That's impossible to
have any other way in utero.
00:44:36.10\00:44:38.57
Yeah.
00:44:38.61\00:44:39.94
You know, you
know, two mothers meet,
00:44:39.97\00:44:43.11
leaps in the womb,
you know, and it's like...
00:44:43.14\00:44:45.25
You're pregnant
with God. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:45.28\00:44:46.68
And so, and then not only that,
00:44:46.72\00:44:48.68
but it says that
Elizabeth was filled
00:44:48.72\00:44:50.55
with the Holy Spirit.
00:44:50.59\00:44:51.92
So Elizabeth is
filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:44:51.95\00:44:54.16
John the Baptist is
filled with the Holy Spirit,
00:44:54.22\00:44:56.26
the baby leaps in her
womb, the baby recognizes.
00:44:56.29\00:44:58.99
And then Elizabeth being
filled with the Holy Spirit
00:44:59.03\00:45:01.83
puts it all
together, baby leaping.
00:45:01.86\00:45:05.17
And then the Holy
Spirit reveals to her,
00:45:05.20\00:45:07.07
you're in the
presence of the mother,
00:45:07.14\00:45:09.20
of the mother of, you know,
00:45:09.24\00:45:11.11
someone that's
bearing God in utero
00:45:11.14\00:45:14.28
and says, look, you're pregnant,
00:45:14.31\00:45:16.31
and you're pregnant with God.
00:45:16.34\00:45:18.28
In other words, the Holy Spirit
is a source of illumination.
00:45:18.31\00:45:24.09
Without the Holy Spirit,
00:45:24.12\00:45:25.45
we can't
understand spiritual things.
00:45:25.49\00:45:27.72
Because look, if Mary had walked
00:45:27.76\00:45:29.86
through the streets of
Judea on her way to Elizabeth,
00:45:29.89\00:45:35.66
she would look like a
peasant like anybody else.
00:45:35.70\00:45:38.80
You wouldn't be able to
tell she was pregnant with God.
00:45:38.83\00:45:41.44
But Elizabeth filled
with the Holy Spirit was like,
00:45:41.47\00:45:44.54
you're pregnant and
you're pregnant with God.
00:45:44.57\00:45:46.01
Now here's the question.
00:45:46.04\00:45:47.74
Here's the question.
00:45:47.78\00:45:49.54
When the Holy
Spirit told Elizabeth
00:45:49.58\00:45:52.01
you're in the
presence of the mother of God,
00:45:52.05\00:45:55.68
in other words,
pregnant with God,
00:45:55.72\00:45:58.69
why didn't she just like,
00:45:58.72\00:46:01.72
you know, if I
got that impression,
00:46:01.76\00:46:03.46
I'd be like, ah, no.
00:46:03.49\00:46:05.33
I mean, like, I
must be hearing things
00:46:05.36\00:46:08.20
like this is crazy.
00:46:08.23\00:46:09.93
Like, why was
it that immediately
00:46:09.96\00:46:12.30
and she didn't just
think that the baby's moving,
00:46:12.33\00:46:14.57
you know what I'm saying?
00:46:14.60\00:46:15.94
And, but immediately she's like,
00:46:15.97\00:46:17.31
you're pregnant.
00:46:17.34\00:46:18.67
You're pregnant with God.
00:46:18.71\00:46:20.08
Why was it that
she was able to accept
00:46:20.11\00:46:21.74
this revelation so quickly?
00:46:21.78\00:46:23.28
Because her husband
obviously had some issues
00:46:23.35\00:46:25.11
with faith.
00:46:25.15\00:46:26.48
It's like Angel Gabriel is like,
00:46:26.51\00:46:27.88
your wife's
going to have a child.
00:46:27.92\00:46:29.48
And he's like, ha-ha, you know?
And then he's mute, you know?
00:46:29.52\00:46:32.62
And so, this is
a woman of faith.
00:46:32.65\00:46:34.62
Why was it that
she was able to say
00:46:34.66\00:46:37.16
you're pregnant and
you're pregnant with God?
00:46:37.23\00:46:39.39
It was because for six months
00:46:39.43\00:46:42.83
she was carrying a miracle.
00:46:42.86\00:46:47.70
She was carrying a miracle,
00:46:47.74\00:46:49.14
every kick, every
move of that baby.
00:46:49.17\00:46:51.24
I mean, she's
well past menopause.
00:46:51.27\00:46:53.88
You know, she's on,
you know, she's geriatric,
00:46:53.94\00:46:57.21
you know, for a veteran,
you know, she's you know,
00:46:57.25\00:46:59.61
excuse the term,
but you know, I mean,
00:46:59.65\00:47:01.05
she's well beyond child rearing.
00:47:01.08\00:47:03.28
Okay. And, but she's pregnant.
00:47:03.32\00:47:04.82
She's the talk of
the town, she's showing.
00:47:04.85\00:47:06.45
All right.
00:47:06.49\00:47:07.82
And so when the revelation
came Mary's pregnant with God,
00:47:07.86\00:47:12.43
she's like,
okay, she believes it
00:47:12.46\00:47:15.56
because in order to
believe the miracle,
00:47:15.60\00:47:18.43
you got to be
experiencing a miracle.
00:47:18.47\00:47:22.47
So Elizabeth was
experiencing a miracle?
00:47:22.50\00:47:24.44
She is
experiencing the man of miracle.
00:47:24.47\00:47:26.68
So look, if you want
to believe the miracle,
00:47:26.71\00:47:30.08
got to experience the miracle.
00:47:30.15\00:47:33.01
So someone is saying tonight,
00:47:33.05\00:47:34.78
I want to
experience the miracle.
00:47:34.82\00:47:36.42
I want the Holy
Spirit in my life
00:47:36.45\00:47:37.92
so that I can experience
God and I can understand.
00:47:37.95\00:47:41.26
And these presuppositions
in my mind will be taken away,
00:47:41.29\00:47:44.49
but they say, I don't know
how to receive the Holy Spirit.
00:47:44.53\00:47:47.13
Absolutely. How do
I get the Holy Spirit?
00:47:47.20\00:47:48.80
How to get the Holy Spirit?
00:47:48.83\00:47:50.17
Jesus says, God is more
willing to give the Holy Spirit
00:47:50.23\00:47:53.00
to those that ask him,
00:47:53.03\00:47:54.37
Luke Chapter 11, same book
00:47:54.40\00:47:56.24
to those that ask
him more than parents
00:47:56.27\00:47:58.27
are willing to give
good gifts to their children.
00:47:58.31\00:48:00.21
In other words, the Holy
Spirit is the greatest gift
00:48:00.24\00:48:01.88
that heaven longs
to bestow upon men.
00:48:01.91\00:48:03.88
And he says, ask
and keep on asking.
00:48:03.91\00:48:07.35
So that's ground zero.
00:48:07.38\00:48:09.42
Ask for the Holy Spirit
and asking for the Holy Spirit
00:48:09.45\00:48:12.32
is one of those prayers
that's always a yes prayer.
00:48:12.35\00:48:17.36
Forgiveness,
always a yes prayer.
00:48:17.39\00:48:18.96
That's right? Right?
00:48:18.99\00:48:20.33
Christ like temper
always a yes prayer,
00:48:20.36\00:48:23.87
you know, new car may
not always be yes prayer,
00:48:23.90\00:48:27.24
you know, and we
pray for these things,
00:48:27.27\00:48:28.77
Oh, I want a new house, new job,
00:48:28.80\00:48:30.71
you know, all these
things that are material,
00:48:30.74\00:48:33.61
but spiritually God's like,
00:48:33.68\00:48:35.44
okay, well maybe so, maybe wait,
00:48:35.48\00:48:37.85
but look, I want to give
you so much more than this.
00:48:37.88\00:48:41.05
And the Holy
Spirit brings with him
00:48:41.08\00:48:42.58
all the other
blessings in his train,
00:48:42.62\00:48:44.72
Christ dwells in
us through the agency
00:48:44.75\00:48:46.35
of the Holy Spirit.
00:48:46.39\00:48:47.72
And when you ask
for the Holy Spirit,
00:48:47.76\00:48:49.09
it's not like let
me think about it.
00:48:49.12\00:48:51.59
You can know and believe
00:48:51.63\00:48:52.96
regardless of the way
that you may or may not feel
00:48:52.99\00:48:55.80
that you receive the Holy Spirit
00:48:55.83\00:48:57.97
because of Jesus' promise.
00:48:58.00\00:49:00.57
And look, I'm a
parent and I am sinful,
00:49:00.60\00:49:06.07
you know, in terms of falling
and all those types of things.
00:49:06.11\00:49:08.91
But it's amazing when
my son asks for something,
00:49:08.94\00:49:12.21
it's like sinner that I am,
00:49:12.25\00:49:15.15
I long to give him what he asks.
00:49:15.18\00:49:19.12
You know, especially if
it's something that is good,
00:49:19.15\00:49:21.56
you know what I'm saying?
00:49:21.59\00:49:22.92
But he says,
look, if you being evil,
00:49:22.96\00:49:24.29
know how to give good
gifts to their children,
00:49:24.36\00:49:26.06
how much more
your heavenly Father
00:49:26.09\00:49:28.33
give the Holy Spirit
to those that ask him.
00:49:28.36\00:49:30.87
So the posture of God is like,
00:49:30.90\00:49:33.54
I want to give the
Holy Spirit to you.
00:49:33.57\00:49:36.37
And He longs for our consent.
00:49:36.40\00:49:39.34
So ask.
00:49:39.37\00:49:40.71
Ask, asking is
like authorization.
00:49:40.78\00:49:43.14
God is not going to
barge His way into your life.
00:49:43.18\00:49:46.82
But when you
give Him permission,
00:49:46.85\00:49:48.42
He's like, okay,
we have authorization.
00:49:48.45\00:49:51.02
Amen. We have access.
00:49:51.05\00:49:52.39
So how do you
experience the miracle?
00:49:52.42\00:49:53.76
'Cause you're
talking about that.
00:49:53.79\00:49:55.12
So Elizabeth, you
know, being filled
00:49:55.16\00:49:56.49
with the Holy Spirit,
00:49:56.52\00:49:57.86
but then you're talking about
she's experiencing a miracle.
00:49:57.89\00:49:59.23
So how is someone
practically right now
00:49:59.26\00:50:00.60
experienced a miracle?
00:50:00.63\00:50:01.93
Experiencing a miracle,
00:50:01.96\00:50:03.33
you know, the
miracle is conversion
00:50:03.37\00:50:04.83
being born of the Spirit.
00:50:04.87\00:50:06.20
Okay.
00:50:06.23\00:50:07.60
And being born of the Spirit
is a miracle in and of itself.
00:50:07.64\00:50:12.91
And we experienced
the miracle by saying,
00:50:12.94\00:50:15.58
Lord, I'm willing
to be made willing,
00:50:15.61\00:50:20.48
beauty of surrender.
00:50:20.52\00:50:21.85
You say, Lord,
come into my heart,
00:50:21.88\00:50:24.92
come into my life, transform me.
00:50:24.95\00:50:27.56
And we do that on a daily basis.
00:50:27.62\00:50:29.82
We give that consent
00:50:29.86\00:50:31.33
that, that opening for
God to move and He's ready.
00:50:31.36\00:50:35.00
And you have the
resource of heaven
00:50:35.03\00:50:36.73
that Jesus bought at Calvary
that are channeled to us.
00:50:36.80\00:50:41.20
And we can experience
that conversion today.
00:50:41.24\00:50:43.54
So that's, that's where it is.
00:50:43.57\00:50:45.14
And then every day after that,
00:50:45.17\00:50:46.51
we experienced the
Holy Place experience
00:50:46.54\00:50:48.28
where we're asking
for the Holy Spirit,
00:50:48.31\00:50:49.64
we're in prayer
and the Word of God.
00:50:49.68\00:50:51.05
And it's this never ending cycle
00:50:51.08\00:50:54.08
of continually experiencing
the miracle on a daily basis.
00:50:54.15\00:50:57.42
You know, this may be a
strange comment or question
00:50:57.45\00:50:58.79
to tell you right now,
00:50:58.82\00:51:00.22
because we've got
another hour or something.
00:51:00.26\00:51:01.59
This first hour
has gone by in a hurry.
00:51:01.62\00:51:02.96
But you know, I think
00:51:02.99\00:51:04.33
there's someone
actually right now,
00:51:04.36\00:51:05.69
Pastor David, I
just feel impressed
00:51:05.73\00:51:07.03
that someone
right now is saying,
00:51:07.10\00:51:08.40
can I do that right now?
00:51:08.43\00:51:09.76
Can I do that right now, pastor?
00:51:09.80\00:51:11.13
Absolutely.
00:51:11.17\00:51:12.50
So would you mind
just talking to your camera
00:51:12.53\00:51:13.87
right here just now,
00:51:13.90\00:51:15.24
usually we do
that at the last hour,
00:51:15.27\00:51:16.60
but yeah, just talk
to someone right now.
00:51:16.64\00:51:17.97
'Cause I think somebody
has to hear that right now.
00:51:18.01\00:51:19.34
Can I do it now? Absolutely.
00:51:19.37\00:51:20.71
You know, if you're on the fence
00:51:20.74\00:51:22.08
and you're wondering
whether this is all possible,
00:51:22.11\00:51:24.85
maybe you're dealing with
an addiction in your life.
00:51:24.88\00:51:26.68
Maybe you're at
the end of your rope.
00:51:26.72\00:51:28.05
Maybe you're struggling
with something in your life.
00:51:28.08\00:51:30.25
Revelation 3:20 is
applicable for you.
00:51:30.29\00:51:33.72
It presents Jesus,
a knocking on the door
00:51:33.76\00:51:36.29
of our hearts and saying,
00:51:36.32\00:51:37.66
if any person opens
the door, I will come in.
00:51:37.69\00:51:42.86
And right now Jesus is knocking
on the door of your heart.
00:51:42.90\00:51:46.43
He wants to transform your life.
00:51:46.47\00:51:48.70
And look, there's many moments
00:51:48.74\00:51:50.47
in our lives when we
feel just on our backs,
00:51:50.54\00:51:54.28
when we feel like the rug
00:51:54.31\00:51:55.68
has been pulled out of under us,
00:51:55.71\00:51:57.38
maybe you're feeling like that
00:51:57.41\00:51:58.75
because of 2020
00:51:58.78\00:52:00.18
and all the things
that we've gone through,
00:52:00.22\00:52:01.55
maybe you've lost your job.
00:52:01.58\00:52:03.22
You know, this is
an opportunity for you
00:52:03.25\00:52:06.49
to look beyond the
physical, into the spiritual.
00:52:06.52\00:52:11.13
Because when we feel
at our at our limits,
00:52:11.16\00:52:15.96
when we feel that
the world is against us
00:52:16.00\00:52:18.60
and when we look toward heaven,
00:52:18.63\00:52:20.60
it's actually a beautiful thing
00:52:20.64\00:52:23.04
in terms of
recognizing our need,
00:52:23.07\00:52:25.47
that this world
cannot fill that void
00:52:25.51\00:52:28.24
in our own hearts
and our own lives.
00:52:28.28\00:52:30.41
And so you can go
to God today and say,
00:52:30.45\00:52:32.01
Lord, this is the way I feel.
00:52:32.05\00:52:34.45
Take my heart
because I can't give it,
00:52:34.48\00:52:36.89
you know, give me
the desire to desire.
00:52:36.95\00:52:40.02
Give me the gift of repentance.
00:52:40.06\00:52:42.02
And repentance is a
genuine sorrow for sin
00:52:42.06\00:52:44.89
and turning away from it.
00:52:44.93\00:52:46.26
And the thing is, it's a gift.
00:52:46.29\00:52:47.60
We can't even
fabricate this on our own.
00:52:47.66\00:52:49.80
We can go to God today
and say, Lord, I'm not sorry.
00:52:49.83\00:52:52.87
Help me to be sorry.
00:52:52.90\00:52:54.24
Wow. I love this sin.
00:52:54.27\00:52:55.70
Help me to hate it.
00:52:55.74\00:52:57.07
And you can surrender
your life to God today and say,
00:52:57.14\00:52:59.41
"Lord, I give you my
will, I give you my heart,
00:52:59.44\00:53:02.71
help me to be
willing to be made willing."
00:53:02.74\00:53:04.55
And He will do it
for you right now today.
00:53:04.58\00:53:08.42
And you can kneel down
wherever you are and say,
00:53:08.45\00:53:10.92
"Lord, take my
heart, take my life."
00:53:10.99\00:53:13.96
And He will come
into your heart and life
00:53:13.99\00:53:16.49
and work in you both to will
and to do of his good pleasure.
00:53:16.52\00:53:21.00
Yeah. Amen. Boy.
00:53:21.03\00:53:22.36
That's powerful appeal. Yeah.
00:53:22.40\00:53:23.73
Thank you. Yeah.
00:53:23.77\00:53:25.10
I think that's
just a powerful thing.
00:53:25.13\00:53:26.47
If you know, you
know, there's people
00:53:26.50\00:53:27.84
all over looking that
are trying to find hope.
00:53:27.87\00:53:30.57
Yes. Yes.
00:53:30.61\00:53:31.94
People are searching.
Like God can do something.
00:53:31.97\00:53:33.34
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:53:33.38\00:53:34.91
So powerful.
This is just powerful.
00:53:34.94\00:53:37.75
Don't feel like
you're alone tonight.
00:53:37.78\00:53:39.11
I just think in,
00:53:39.15\00:53:40.48
as you were sharing that, David,
00:53:40.52\00:53:41.85
I was thinking of a woman
who called me just this week
00:53:41.88\00:53:43.45
in the office and she said,
00:53:43.49\00:53:44.82
"Jill, I see your walk with God
00:53:44.85\00:53:47.82
and I want it too."
00:53:47.86\00:53:49.66
And she said, "I just
want to experience Jesus.
00:53:49.69\00:53:53.06
I want to find Him for myself.
00:53:53.09\00:53:54.83
How do I do that?"
00:53:54.83\00:53:56.16
And so what Pastor David
00:53:56.20\00:53:57.53
just shared his
life, transformed me.
00:53:57.57\00:54:00.67
Jesus can come in.
00:54:00.74\00:54:02.07
He will change
your heart and life
00:54:02.10\00:54:04.94
and take out some of
those presuppositions.
00:54:04.97\00:54:08.14
This has been an
incredible first hour.
00:54:08.18\00:54:09.74
I know we're coming down
to the end of the first hour.
00:54:09.78\00:54:11.98
Would you give us a
recap of what we have unpacked
00:54:12.01\00:54:15.65
and uncovered this first hour?
00:54:15.68\00:54:17.89
And then we'll
take a short break.
00:54:17.92\00:54:19.99
Absolutely.
00:54:20.06\00:54:21.99
You know, when we
look at our ideas,
00:54:22.02\00:54:25.03
there's ideas in
there that that are ideals
00:54:25.06\00:54:29.00
and God works
with us where we're at.
00:54:29.03\00:54:32.27
He meets us where we're at.
00:54:32.30\00:54:33.64
And He brings us to the foot
of the cross in the courtyard
00:54:33.70\00:54:37.47
where we
surrender our lives to Him.
00:54:37.51\00:54:40.04
In that we also
surrender our ideas to Him
00:54:40.08\00:54:43.14
and the conversion experience.
00:54:43.18\00:54:45.25
The miracle is
accessible to all of us today.
00:54:45.28\00:54:49.12
And we move
through the courtyard
00:54:49.15\00:54:51.09
into the Holy Place experience
00:54:51.12\00:54:52.75
where we
continually are being filled
00:54:52.79\00:54:54.99
with the Holy
Spirit so that we can see.
00:54:55.02\00:54:57.09
And it's a continual process
of surrendering ideas to God.
00:54:57.13\00:55:00.36
So the beauty of it is
00:55:00.43\00:55:02.56
that we are in this
continual never ending cycle
00:55:02.60\00:55:08.54
of engaging the Word of God,
00:55:08.57\00:55:10.14
which is the table of showbread
00:55:10.21\00:55:12.01
receiving the Holy
Spirit and praying.
00:55:12.04\00:55:14.28
And through this cycle,
00:55:14.31\00:55:15.84
God is sanctifying our
ideas on a continual basis.
00:55:15.88\00:55:21.12
And the thing is
00:55:21.15\00:55:22.72
that as those ideas
are being sanctified
00:55:22.75\00:55:25.82
and giving us more clarity
in the lens that we're viewing,
00:55:25.85\00:55:29.26
that helps us to see
more of the text in a new way.
00:55:29.29\00:55:34.73
It's
progressive. It's progressive.
00:55:34.76\00:55:37.37
And I recently had a
presuppositional change
00:55:37.43\00:55:39.90
in my own mind where I had known
00:55:39.93\00:55:42.14
this concept for years,
00:55:42.17\00:55:43.57
but then through a Bible study,
it enhanced my perspective.
00:55:43.61\00:55:47.28
And I was like,
00:55:47.34\00:55:48.68
"Oh, I never saw
it like that before."
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And it came into my
presuppositional framework
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and suddenly I was
reading through Scripture
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and I saw it everywhere.
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I saw it everywhere, everywhere.
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You know, I'd
read the Bible through,
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you know, multiple times,
but then I had a framework
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that was enhanced by Scripture
that enabled me to see more.
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And the beauty of
it is even in heaven,
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we'll be getting a deeper
and deeper appreciation of God
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as God is infinite.
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We will be getting a more vivid
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and beautiful picture of God
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for all eternity.
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And, but we'll
never ever get there
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as God is infinite.
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And so, our progression
extends into the life beyond.
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We won't be
experiencing sanctification
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on the level that we're on now,
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but in terms of
enhancement in heaven,
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it's continual.
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And that's why in
heaven, we can never say,
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look, I'm bored.
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I've known everything
there is to know about God.
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It's never ending. Amen.
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Never ending Absolutely.
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I wanna
encourage you to stay tuned
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because we have
a full second hour.
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We're going to jump into
some incredible examples,
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I think from the Book of
Acts about presuppositions,
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but we're talking nine
about surrendering our ideas
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to scripture.
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And I don't know, maybe tonight
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the Lord's pricked my
heart as Pastor David talked to
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in a couple areas and ideas,
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presuppositions
that I might carry.
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So I would just encourage
you to take your ideas to God,
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take your ideas
to the Holy Spirit
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and make sure that
you study the Word of God
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with a converted heart,
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with a heart that's open to say,
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yes, God, I want
to take off the lenses
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that I looked through,
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that I look at Scripture
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and I want to look
at it through your eyes.
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And so we want to
encourage you to stay tuned
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for the second hour
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and to text in or
email in your questions
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for Pastor David.
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We'll be right back.
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