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Series Code: TDYL
Program Code: TDYL190005A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:27 Let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today Live program. 01:13 Thank you for joining us as you do each and every day. 01:16 I'm happy to be co-hosted here by my wife, Yvonne. 01:19 I'm happy to be here. You're looking spiffy today. 01:21 Well, thank you. And, all right. 01:23 Good answer. 01:24 Speaking of spiffy, 01:26 we have a lot of folks looking good here today. 01:27 We do. Would you introduce them? 01:28 We do. 01:30 We have our dear sister Shelley Quinn. 01:31 All right. 01:33 We have our dear Pastor John Lomacang. 01:34 Oh, good, good. 01:36 Dear Pastor Ryan Day, 01:38 and our dear brother and Pastor Kenny Shelton. 01:41 Wow, this is great. 01:42 Thank you all for joining us today. 01:44 And we got a program that you don't want to miss. 01:47 You want to call your friends, your enemies, everybody 01:49 and tell them to tune in to 3ABN tonight 01:52 because we're going to be talking about something 01:54 that affects each and every one of you. 01:56 I promise you, 01:57 every person that watches this program, 01:59 this is for you tonight. 02:01 Am I telling the truth? 02:02 That's right. It is. 02:04 Pastor, John, how we're going... 02:06 Thinking of a name for this, 02:07 how would you introduce this program tonight? 02:09 Well, the big question 02:10 I would ask everyone watching and listening 02:12 is how do we know that sin exists? 02:16 That's the big question tonight. 02:18 How do we know that sin exists? 02:20 Because in a world today, 02:21 where so many things that 02:23 used to be wrong are now right, 02:26 things that used to be right are now being defined as wrong. 02:29 Things that God created are being rejected, 02:32 and things that God didn't create 02:33 are being embraced. 02:35 The lines are not black and white any longer, 02:37 they are becoming grey, 02:39 and we are descending into a corrupt society 02:43 that people are saying, 02:45 "Well, how do you know it's corrupt? 02:46 Why is my opinion not as good as your opinion? 02:49 And when does it cease to be an opinion? 02:52 Are there any guidelines? 02:54 Or do we just all decide 02:55 what's right and what's wrong? 02:57 So when we ask the question, 02:58 how do we know that sin exists? 03:00 You've got to come to some standard 03:02 so that I can say, 03:03 "Well, you're going north when you should be going south, 03:05 or you're going south 03:07 when you should be going north." 03:08 So the very same laws we live by 03:11 when it comes to traffic, 03:12 are there any laws that we live by 03:14 when it comes to our moral society? 03:16 Amen. 03:18 In paying taxes and whatever. 03:19 Yeah, we do that for sure. 03:21 This is going to be a great program 03:23 because when you... 03:24 Who would have thought even, 03:26 I'd say 10 or 15 years ago, 03:28 it'd be necessary to have a program defining sin 03:31 because almost everybody, 03:33 this is sin, that sin and... 03:35 But today, it's almost as you said, 03:38 everybody has their own opinion. 03:40 Well, this is not sin or that's sin, 03:42 and usually it's sin if it's not us, you know. 03:45 What somebody else's doing sin, what we do, 03:47 well, we have a right 03:49 for whatever, we make excuses for. 03:50 So we want to give you a thus saith the Lord tonight. 03:53 We're going to go back and find out 03:55 what first define what sin is 03:58 and then hopefully 04:00 each and every one of us, the time this program is over, 04:03 we will see the importance of the law of God. 04:06 And because without God's law, 04:09 I mean, there's no sin and there's no love. 04:12 God set up a law for us to live by, 04:15 it's the law of love. 04:16 That's what I like to say 04:18 because it's a way that if we follow this roadmap, 04:20 He's promised us eternal life. 04:22 Yes. That's absolutely amazing. 04:25 It's so protective, you know, 04:26 I talk to people sometimes and there's this trend now, 04:31 that's happening, 04:32 people are going toward atheism a lot in society. 04:35 In American society 04:36 there is this trend toward atheism, 04:38 where I have my truth, you have your truth, 04:41 I'm not going to judge you, you know, and all that. 04:44 And it's like, what is... 04:46 There has to be a standard, everybody can't be right. 04:50 There has to be some standard 04:53 against which we can be judged. 04:56 And so this program, 04:58 I think, is going to be very enlightening. 04:59 All right, great. 05:01 Well, I know our folks love music. 05:02 And we have some musicians and singers here. 05:04 Yes, we do. 05:06 But tonight we're blessed, we have Jaime Jorge, 05:09 and he's going to be doing a medley for us. 09:06 Amen. What a great way to start a program, huh? 09:09 That gave me chills. 09:11 We have to get a little water and throw on the strings, 09:13 make sure they don't burn out. 09:14 It was sizzling. Yeah. 09:17 He gives his all, doesn't he? He does. 09:18 My Dad used to say "Whatever you do, 09:20 boys do it with all your might, remember that? 09:22 So that's what Jaime does when he plays. 09:24 So thank you so much, Jaime, we appreciate it. 09:26 All hail the power of Jesus name, 09:29 I mean, great way to start giving honor and glory 09:32 and praise to the Lord. 09:33 What I'd like to do... 09:35 We had a prayer earlier, but I think for our viewers, 09:37 tonight's such an important topic 09:39 that we want to start out with a prayer. 09:41 I'm going to ask Brother Kenny, if you would just... 09:43 We're just going to maybe join hands 09:44 with the one next to you there 09:46 and let's just those of you at home, 09:48 if you're with someone join hands, 09:50 if you're not reach out and join hands with us on this, 09:53 but we want to go to the Lord in prayer. 09:55 We want truth tonight. 09:57 And we want Jesus to shine, 09:59 not what we have say but we want to hear 10:00 what the Word of God has to say 10:02 on this very important topic of the law of God, 10:07 sin, the Ten Commandments. 10:09 And, Lord, You have your way. 10:11 Amen. All right, let's pray. 10:13 Loving Father in heaven, truly, 10:14 it's a privilege to come before Thee. 10:16 Lord, we come in the name of Jesus, 10:18 our Lord and our Savior, 10:19 we uplift Jesus Christ, 10:21 we uplift the cross of Calvary. 10:23 We're thankful for that blood that flows so freely, 10:25 that we may have eternal life and forgiveness of sin. 10:28 Lord, tonight you know that we need Your help. 10:31 We need the power of Thy Holy Spirit. 10:33 We pray as Thy Spirit now descends upon 10:35 each and every one of us, 10:36 our hearts, our minds will be open. 10:38 We may hear heaven speak, 10:40 and then we may take those words 10:41 and we read them from the Word of God. 10:43 And people can certainly say 10:45 "Oh, it's been good 10:46 to be in the house of the Lord together. 10:47 "And so, Father, we pray in a very special way now 10:50 that not our will, but Thine be done, 10:52 open up the avenues, open up the ears, the hearts 10:54 and the minds of Your children 10:56 everywhere around the world. 10:57 May they be receptive, 10:58 may they want to know what truth is, 11:00 may they be asking the questions 11:02 even right now. 11:03 May they be answered by the power of the Holy Spirit 11:05 which we thank you for, in Jesus name, amen. 11:08 Amen. Amen. 11:10 Maybe we should start out. 11:11 I'm glad we got a bunch of Bible scholars here 11:14 'cause we can just ask anything we want, 11:16 we know they're gonna come up with it. 11:17 But let's start out about sin, 11:20 what sin is, 11:21 and when did it begin? 11:23 Maybe if y'all want to jump in. 11:26 I'll jump in here and I know that Pastor Lomacang 11:29 and Pastor Kenny and Shelley 11:30 and you guys are gonna add to this really well. 11:33 I just want to kind of start at the origin, okay, 11:35 where did sin, this sin began. 11:38 I think of Ezekiel Chapter 28, 11:40 it's probably a great place to start, 11:43 because it kind of points us to the origin 11:46 back in eternity past 11:48 before there really wasn't a heaven 11:50 or an earth, or an Adam or an Eve, 11:51 a world that had been created at this point. 11:54 Ezekiel 28:14, 11:57 this is God addressing 11:59 one of His highest angels 12:01 at the particular time, 12:03 of course we know this angel to be Lucifer 12:04 and this particular scene is not yet on earth, okay? 12:08 This is still in the heavenly courts above. 12:11 And so Isaiah, excuse me, 12:12 Ezekiel Chapter 28, 12:13 I'm going to begin with verse 14. 12:16 Notice the Bible says and then we'll go, 12:17 and this is God speaking to Lucifer, 12:20 whom He is going to call a covering cherub. 12:23 He says, "You were the anointed cherub who covers, 12:26 I established you." 12:27 So right there, that's sanctuary language 12:29 we're talking about. 12:31 Lucifer was one of two covering cherubs 12:33 right in the midst of the very throne of God. 12:35 He was one of the closer beings to the throne of God 12:38 in the heavenly courts above. 12:40 He says, "I established you." 12:42 And I want to pause there and just clear the air, 12:45 many people want to automatically say, 12:46 "Well, God created a devil." 12:48 We know that God did not create a devil, 12:50 He created a beautiful angel of light. 12:52 That's right. His name was Lucifer. 12:53 That's right. 12:54 And, of course, Lucifer would become a devil 12:56 because of this sin 12:57 that we're talking about tonight. 12:59 He goes on to say, "You were on the holy mountain of God, 13:02 you walked back and forth 13:03 in the midst of the fiery stones." 13:05 Notice this, notice verse 15, this is key, 13:07 "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, 13:10 till iniquity was found in you." 13:14 And I usually ask people, you know, 13:16 "What made Lucifer perfect in the eyes of God?" 13:19 Well, the answer is given 13:20 I think implied in this particular text. 13:22 What made him perfect is that at one point, 13:24 he was without sin. 13:26 But, of course, he was perfect until, 13:28 as the text says, 13:29 "Until iniquity was found in you." 13:31 Now the word iniquity here simply another word for sin. 13:35 Another text that comes to my mind is prophetically 13:39 so notice we just started in the beginning, 13:41 now I want to kind of take us down to the end, future, 13:44 Christ is speaking prophetically 13:46 in Matthew 24:12, 13:49 speaking of the end time, speaking of the last days 13:52 before He would return to the earth, 13:54 He says, "And because..." 13:56 And I'm reading from the New King James Version here, 13:59 it says "And because lawlessness 14:01 will abound, 14:03 the love of many will grow cold." 14:06 Now if you read the King James Version, 14:08 that word iniquity that we just read in Ezekiel 28 14:11 and the Septuagint, same word, 14:13 iniquity, lawlessness, 14:15 it's a correlation there 14:16 because iniquity is lawlessness. 14:19 Now why would I launch us 14:20 in to a talk about being lawless? 14:24 You go over to 1 John 3:4. 14:28 1 John 3:4, 14:30 notice what the Bible tells us. 14:32 This is one of those popular texts, in fact, 14:34 1 John 3 14:35 is one of those texts that you very rarely 14:37 ever hear a pastor preach on, 14:39 because it is addressing the seriousness 14:42 of this little three red letter word 14:43 that we call sin. 14:45 1 John 3:4, notice what the Bible says, 14:48 "Whoever commits sin also commits..." 14:50 There's that word, lawlessness, 14:53 "And sin is lawlessness." 14:56 And of course, the King James Version, 14:58 I just read from the New King James, 15:00 King James Version is simply going to address that 15:02 as transgressing the law of God. 15:06 So the question is, you know, does sin exists? 15:09 We know it exists. 15:10 Where was its origin? How did it come about? 15:12 And what is sin? 15:14 I'm gonna let these brothers unpack it now. 15:16 Okay, all right. 15:18 There's one quick text here if you don't mind, 15:20 It's in Luke 19:10 15:22 which establishes what we are talking about here, 15:25 you know, why did Jesus come here? 15:26 Right. 15:28 What was the purpose of the cross? 15:29 What was the purpose of His life? 15:31 And Luke 19:10 said, 15:32 "For the Son of man came to seek 15:34 and to save that which," was what? 15:38 "That which was lost." 15:39 Seek and save that which was lost. 15:40 So there, you have a sin issue, 15:43 we're challenged by that. 15:44 God must give us something 15:46 so we can understand what sin is. 15:48 Sin is the transgression of the law. 15:49 Must give us something 15:50 that we can look at to define 15:52 that which is good and that which is evil. 15:55 But He came here for a reason, 15:57 to seek and to save that which was lost. 15:59 So somehow the other man got off the track 16:02 and he sinned, he fell short. 16:04 And Jesus said, "I'm going to come 16:06 and to win them back." 16:07 Praise God for that, for the cross of Calvary. 16:10 You know what thought occurred to me 16:11 when you said why did sin exist, 16:14 is what James says, 16:17 this little passage in James Chapter 1 16:19 is the science of sin. 16:22 Listen to this, what he says, 16:24 I'll begin in James 1:13, 16:28 "Let no one say when he is tempted, 16:31 I am tempted by God, 16:33 for God cannot be tempted by evil, 16:36 nor does He himself tempt anyone, 16:39 but each one is tempted, 16:42 when he is drawn away," by what? 16:44 "His own desires, and enticed. 16:48 Then when desire has conceived..." 16:51 So you can see now, this is, 16:52 here we're going down this road, 16:55 "When desire has conceived, 16:57 it gives birth to sin, and sin, 17:01 when it is full grown, 17:03 gives birth or brings forth death." 17:08 So we can see that 17:11 what sin is, is selfishness, 17:14 which is just the opposite of who God is, 17:17 because God is self giving, 17:22 self sacrificing love. 17:24 And the interesting thing is 17:26 when it brings forth death, 17:28 that means that sin had to be imputed, right? 17:31 Roman 5:13 says, 17:34 Paul says, or let me begin with verse 12, 17:38 it says, "Therefore just as through one man 17:40 sin entered the world..." 17:42 We know that the devil tempted Adam and Eve. 17:44 "Death through sin, 17:47 and thus sin spread to all men, 17:50 because all sinned." 17:52 And then parenthetically, he says, 17:54 "For until the law was in the world..." 17:59 "Until the law, sin was in the world, 18:02 but sin is not imputed 18:04 where there is no law." 18:06 So without the law, there can't be any sin. 18:10 Absolutely. Yes. 18:11 I wanna come at from a completely 18:13 different angle, 18:14 because there's somebody watching the program 18:16 that might say, "I appreciate your Bible text, 18:18 but I'm not even a Christian." 18:20 Matter of fact, they might even be an atheist, 18:22 they might not even believe in God at all, 18:25 they may have never mentioned the name Jesus. 18:27 But there is something that... 18:28 If that's in fact the case, if you're driving or listening 18:30 and you might say, 18:32 "There are those Christians go again, 18:33 talking about the Bible text, 18:35 and I don't even believe in Bible, 18:36 I don't even owe one, 18:37 I don't believe in Jesus, never have. 18:39 But there's something about you that's true, 18:42 about all of us. 18:44 I'm sure if you're listening to the program 18:45 or watching that, 18:47 in your family somebody has died. 18:49 In every family somebody has died 18:51 and the question is, why? 18:53 We cannot deny the fact that all around the planet 18:55 that there is murder everywhere. 18:57 There's crime everywhere, 18:59 there's theft, there's adultery, 19:01 there's violence, there's robbery. 19:03 And that's just to name a few crimes, 19:06 and all of a sudden in our society today, 19:08 something is happening in our world today 19:10 that didn't happen 20 or 30 years ago. 19:13 And crimes are being redefined 19:16 and things that we thought 19:17 had a clear black and white meaning 19:20 are all of a sudden becoming gray. 19:22 For example, marriage, Danny, 19:24 the Bible, those of us who believe in the Bible, 19:26 the Bible described marriage is between a man and a woman. 19:29 It's been redefined today. 19:31 Why is it being redefined? Watch this. 19:33 Why does it need to be redefined 19:36 if there is no definition for it? 19:37 Okay. 19:39 There you go. Oh, it's good. 19:40 Why is marriage being redefined 19:42 if there is no definition for it? 19:44 There has to be a definition. 19:45 If there is a definition, 19:47 somebody had to give that definition. 19:48 That's right. 19:49 Somebody had to establish that standard. 19:51 Why is crime, crime? 19:54 Why are people in non-Christian countries 19:56 in jail? 19:58 What says in their society they've done something wrong? 20:00 For them to say this is wrong, 20:02 there has to be a standard 20:03 by which that action is described as wrong 20:05 or determined to be wrong. 20:07 So there has to be a right. 20:08 If there is a wrong, there is a right. 20:10 In America there are prisons abounding. 20:12 Illinois is a state that's prolific in prisons. 20:16 We have a wonderful prison ministry. 20:17 But here's a point, we're gonna go back to this, 20:18 we're gonna take baby steps back. 20:20 We're gonna start with the crime, 20:22 with the death, with the murder, 20:23 with the robbery, 20:25 with the thing that everybody knows is wrong 20:26 and everyone watching or listing to the program 20:29 has experienced the loss of some loved one. 20:32 Why do people even die? 20:35 Well, now let me give you my definition. 20:37 And if you have one that's different from this, 20:39 we welcome your response. 20:41 But everyone dies 20:44 because as Ryan and Shelley 20:46 and Pastor Kenny made it so clear, 20:48 something had to cause death. 20:51 And the third law of Newton which is... 20:54 It says here, "For every action 20:57 there is an equal and opposite reaction." 20:59 Well that was true before Newton, 21:01 he just put it in a definition. 21:02 He put it in a formula. Right. 21:04 For every action there is an equal 21:05 and opposite reaction. 21:06 So what causes death? 21:08 Something has to cause it. 21:10 What causes, what makes an action 21:13 being defined as wrong? 21:15 Something has to categorize as wrong. 21:17 So here's my point. There has to be a standard. 21:21 So whether you are a Christian or not, 21:23 there has to be a standard. 21:25 Whether Jesus is that standard or not, 21:28 what happens in your country 21:30 or where you live happens in American. 21:32 Everybody dies, 21:34 everybody gets ill. 21:36 Everybody lives in a community 21:37 where some kind of crime has been committed. 21:40 And lets to make it very simple, 21:43 whether you are a driver or not, 21:46 there are laws that govern the way 21:47 we behave in traffic. 21:49 So let's begin... 21:51 There has to be a law giver 21:52 to make that law for the traffic, right? 21:54 Okay, so now let's go back. 21:55 Where there is no death, 21:58 there's nothing to cause it. 22:00 But the Bible says, "The wages of sin is death." 22:04 Okay, Roman 6:23. 22:06 Okay, where there is no death, what cause death? 22:09 Where there is no sin, there is no death. 22:13 The Bible says, "All have sinned 22:14 and fallen short of the glory. 22:16 The wage of sin is death." 22:17 So watch this, 22:19 no law, no sin, 22:22 no sin, no death. 22:25 So we have to come to the conclusion 22:27 that there is a law that categorizes everything 22:31 that I've just talked about, 22:32 murder, robbery, theft, adultery, violence, crime. 22:36 There has to be a law to define it, 22:37 so that what's experiencing, 22:39 what's an experience in your country 22:41 where Jesus may not have ever been mentioned 22:43 is also true in our country. 22:45 There has to be a standard 22:46 by which all these things happen to every one of us. 22:51 I'll let you guys loosen, 22:52 then I'll come back with some Bible text. 22:53 No, I just wanna kind of feed of what you were talking about, 22:57 I was... 22:59 We were talking a little bit before the program began 23:01 and I was describing 23:04 a Christian apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias, 23:06 he's very popular Christian apologist. 23:09 And he tells a story, and you can actually 23:10 go on online to YouTube 23:12 and you can watch this video where he is engaged, 23:14 he goes all over the nation, all over the world 23:16 to these very sophisticated college campuses. 23:20 And, of course, thousands of students 23:21 and staff and people come 23:23 and they basically put him to the test, 23:25 they put his faith on a line 23:27 by asking him these difficult questions. 23:29 And so one young man steps up to the plate, 23:32 he steps up to the mike and says, 23:34 "You know what? 23:35 I'm a devout atheist, I don't really believe in God, 23:38 and one of the reason why, and here's my question. 23:41 He says, "Why would I wanna serve a God 23:43 that allow so much evil." 23:46 And, of course, 23:48 Ravi Zacharias kind of turns the tide of the debate 23:51 and he says, "I don't think that's really your question." 23:53 He says, "In fact, I think 23:54 you need to redefine your question 23:56 because the fact that you are acknowledging that 23:58 there is evil, 23:59 means that you also have to acknowledge 24:01 that there is good." 24:02 So there's good and there's evil, okay? 24:04 And I just have to pause for a moment. 24:06 I've ran into a lot of, 24:08 you know, gay, lesbians, 24:09 transgender people out there in the world 24:11 and not all of them, 24:12 but most of them are either agnostic or atheist. 24:15 And so they come with this approach that, 24:17 you know, that they believe that there's evil, 24:19 in fact they will call certain things evil. 24:21 The fact that you're trying to identify me as something 24:24 that I don't wanna be identified as, well, that evil, 24:26 you're being disrespectful of me. 24:29 The fact that, you know, they acknowledge of the fact 24:31 that people are being sold into slavery 24:33 or, you know, sex trafficking whatever, that stuff is evil. 24:37 And so back to the story, he says, 24:39 "The fact that you are acknowledging 24:40 that there's evil, 24:41 you're also acknowledging that there's good. 24:43 And if you're acknowledging 24:45 there's a difference between good and evil, 24:47 then you also have to acknowledge the fact 24:49 that there has to be a law that defines that which is good 24:51 and that which is evil." 24:53 And then he says, "Where there is a law, 24:55 there has to be a law giver." 24:57 Okay? 24:59 So right back to that question of law. 25:01 If there is law giver, 25:02 and he has a law and sin is the... 25:05 As 1 John 3:4, again this is the King James Version. 25:09 I read the new King James Version earlier. 25:11 The King James Version says in 1 John 3:4, 25:15 "Whosoever committed sin 25:19 transgresseth also the law..." 25:21 And it says here, 25:22 "For sin is the transgression of the law." 25:25 So perhaps maybe... 25:27 Transgression means what? 25:28 Transgression basically means that you're violating, 25:31 you go into a situation knowing 25:33 to do good and you do it not. 25:35 In other words James Chapter... 25:36 If I go at 80 and the policemen stops me, 25:39 speed limit is 70, I transgress? 25:41 You can't say, "Oh I didn't know." 25:42 You know, exactly. 25:44 All right, all right simple term, I broke the law. 25:46 So the principle of transgression 25:48 is clearly established in James 4:17 which is, 25:51 "He that knows to do good 25:52 and does it not, to him it is sin." 25:54 And so to transgress the law means you knew better, 25:56 but you're rebelling against that 25:58 which God has set in place. 26:00 And so that particular verse 26:02 there perhaps at no other point in the Bible is there a better, 26:05 more clear definition of sin than 1 John 3:4. 26:08 Brother Kenny... 26:10 Yeah, I mean that's good 26:11 because you're talking about good and evil. 26:12 Right. 26:14 I mean how far does that go back? 26:15 That goes back to the Garden of Eden. 26:16 Right. 26:18 The tree that was forbidden. 26:19 The tree of knowledge of good and what? 26:21 Good and evil. 26:23 It goes all the way back there, 26:24 so definitely there's going to be good, 26:25 there's going to be evil, their eyes were opened, 26:27 they know nothing but good, now evil's come on. 26:29 And the knowledge, 26:32 Romans 3:20, what? 26:33 The law has a function. 26:35 What is the function of the law? 26:38 Knowledge of sin. 26:40 So we have to have a knowledge, what is sin. 26:43 So God's given us something 26:44 to give us a knowledge of that which is good 26:47 or that which is not good for us to make it very simple. 26:50 He couldn't have made it anymore simple 26:52 than put 10 things down... 26:54 I forget how many several millions of laws 26:58 that are on the books 27:00 and still the country is out of control. 27:02 We're getting worst. 27:04 God just gave us a simple little ten. 27:07 But to me one of the reasons is, 27:09 if we look at scripture, 27:10 it talks about in Romans 8:7, 27:11 it talks about the carnal mind, you know, the carnal mind. 27:14 Before we know Jesus Christ, the carnal mind is what? 27:18 Is enmity in it, enmity against God, 27:20 for it is not subject to the law of God 27:23 and neither indeed can it be. 27:25 I thought how interesting that word subject, 27:28 it's not willing to submit itself. 27:29 That's right. 27:31 The carnal mind, for born again 27:33 we are not willing to submit it to Jesus Christ, 27:36 we're not willing to obey it. 27:37 But when Jesus comes into our hearts and our lives, 27:41 our attitude changes, 27:42 we're willing to be obedient to obey God. 27:45 And then, by this we look at it. 27:47 Now we know good and now we know evil. 27:51 I think Pastor John mentioned a while ago, 27:53 if we don't know those two, we're not accountable. 27:55 In the time of ignorance, God does what? 27:56 Winks. 27:58 He winks at it in time of ignorance. 27:59 Now I wonder how many of us can plead that case today 28:02 that we're ignorant of certain things, 28:04 you know, that sometime I think, 28:06 you know, we're growing 28:07 and we realize that God is revealing new truths to us. 28:10 But praise God, He is making it known, 28:12 these programs helps making it known of that 28:15 which is good and that which is evil, 28:17 so we can do the right thing, 28:19 so we can pray for the coming of Jesus. 28:20 Absolutely. Amen. 28:22 You said something in the beginning of the program 28:23 that was to me is really, really hit me. 28:26 You said, "Why did Christ die?" 28:30 He tried to take away the sins of the world. 28:34 Amen. Absolutely. 28:36 So the sin of the world. 28:37 So Christ came to take away the sin, 28:40 so sin is very important. So we can't write it off today. 28:44 People's like, "Well, it's really just in 28:46 how you feel." 28:47 In other words it's up to me individually, Shelley, 28:49 if I can do this if I choose 28:52 because I don't see anything wrong with it. 28:54 My conscience doesn't bother me. 28:56 That's not what, 28:58 Christ didn't die for our conscience, 28:59 what our conscience said, right? 29:01 He died to take away the sin. 29:03 Sin is what you all are saying, 29:05 the transgression or the breaking of the law. 29:07 Yes. 29:09 But we need to talk a little bit about 29:11 rebellion versus mistakes. 29:14 Other words, everybody in here, 29:15 we all have sinned. 29:17 The Bible says, "We all sinned 29:18 and come short of the glory of God." 29:19 If we leave it there, then we say, 29:22 the wages of sin is death. 29:23 No one would be saved. Right? 29:25 So can we talk a little bit about that? 29:28 Okay, John. 29:30 Well, I'm glad you brought that up 29:31 because what I mentioned a moment ago 29:34 was everybody dies. 29:36 But that's the bad news. 29:38 But Jesus came to take away that very thing 29:40 that will condemn us all to eternal death. 29:44 He would not have had to die if the law could be abandoned, 29:49 if the law could be removed He wouldn't have to die. 29:53 You know, case in point, let's use an example, 29:55 that's why many people today that, 29:56 I'll talk about the Christian population 29:58 that may be watching the program. 30:00 There are so many Christians say that, 30:01 "We're not under the law, but we're under grace." 30:03 I'm speaking of the Christian now, 30:04 "We're not under the law, but under grace." 30:06 Well, then why do you need grace 30:07 if there is no law? 30:08 That's right. You really wouldn't need it. 30:10 If the police officer, you used the example 30:11 a moment ago, if you drive 80 mile an hour 30:13 and you get pulled over 30:14 and the police officer says which happened to me before... 30:17 Well. 30:18 Going my way to New York City, 30:20 on my way to New York City in 2006. 30:22 Yeah, which time? 30:25 I could tell you, in 2006 30:27 I was on my way to New York City, 30:29 my dad had passed away. 30:30 My wife and I were going to clear out 30:31 his apartment in New York. 30:33 And I was going through Indiana that was before I bought a GPS, 30:35 I was using my laptop, 30:37 and those cheap first time things 30:39 we hang that dongle out the window 30:40 to pick a satellite. 30:42 So I'm watching my car on the thing 30:43 and I'm really fascinated, 30:45 and I'm looking at this thing and I'm up to 87 miles an hour. 30:48 Mercy. 30:49 But there's a trailer truck to my right, 30:51 blocking the curve, 30:52 and when I got around the curve, 30:55 there was a black highway patrolman 30:57 and his lights went on immediately 30:59 and I said "Slow down, he caught me." 31:01 And I didn't try to race away, 31:02 I pulled over at the side and waited for him, 31:05 and he said to me, 31:07 "Could you tell me why you were speeding?" 31:10 I said, "Honestly officer, 31:12 I was looking at my screen, on my GPS, 31:16 I really didn't see it." 31:17 He said, "I clocked you at 87 miles an hour. 31:20 License and registration, please?" 31:23 What was I? Was I an innocent or guilty? 31:25 Guilty. I was guilty. 31:26 He went back, 31:28 so I couldn't find the registration right away. 31:29 He said, "Give me your license." I went back. 31:30 He said, "When you went back," he said, 31:32 "I want your registration and insurance." 31:33 He came back and he said, "Why were you in such a hurry?" 31:36 I said, "I'm going to New York, 31:38 there's no excuse for going that fast." 31:39 He said, "I tell you what? 31:42 Why don't you slow it down and just called it a day." 31:45 Well. 31:46 I said, "My dad had died, I was in my way to New York." 31:49 He gave me grace. 31:51 He didn't say get back on the highway, 31:54 the speed limit has been canceled 31:56 just because you want to speed. 31:58 No. 31:59 And by the way, we don't break the law, 32:01 we violate it. 32:02 I was glad, you could never break the law, 32:04 because it's gonna apply 32:06 the moment you get back out there, it's in set. 32:07 We can't break law, we violate it. 32:10 So the violation causes the death. 32:15 It's the violation of the commandments of God 32:17 that brings about the result. 32:18 Death, incarceration, violence, crime. 32:21 The violation brings it about. 32:22 So when the Bible says, Roman 3:23, 32:25 "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." 32:27 Every one of you watching the program 32:29 at one point or another, and why do we all sin? 32:32 Because every one of us... 32:33 And Ryan did a good job, 32:35 he talked about the ancient of sin, 32:36 how Lucifer rebelled, became Satan, 32:39 but it didn't yet entered the world 32:41 until Adam decided to transgress. 32:43 Romans 5:12, "Through one man sin entered." 32:46 And since we are His children, every one of us were born 32:50 with the seed of rebellion in us. 32:52 Yes. Okay. 32:53 But when you rebel instead of stumble, 32:56 there's a difference all together. 32:58 I'll give Miss Shelley a chance here. 33:00 I just wanted to say that 33:02 what I love about Romans Chapter 5 is, 33:05 it lets us know that 33:07 we have an enemy out there, don't we? 33:10 Satan is roaming around 33:13 like a roaring lion 33:15 seeking whom he can devour. 33:17 Who can he bring over to transgress the law of God? 33:21 But the beautiful thing about it 33:23 is Romans Chapter 5 says, 33:25 "Sin came into the world 33:27 thorough the one man Adam. 33:29 But we've got a Savior who came..." 33:32 And, you know, it says that, 33:34 "Were sin abounded, 33:35 grace abounded much more." 33:38 So that as sin reigned in death, 33:40 I'm in Romans 5:21 now, 33:45 "Even so grace might reign 33:49 through righteousness, 33:50 to eternal life through Christ Jesus." 33:53 1 John 3:8 said, 33:54 "Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil." 33:58 You're talking about, there are sins of omission 34:01 or co-mission where you purposefully go out 34:04 and commit a sin. 34:05 There's sins of omission where, 34:08 you know, it says anything that's not of faith is sin 34:11 or if you know you should do good 34:13 and you don't do it, that's a sin. 34:15 But there are sins of ignorance, 34:18 I mean they gave, 34:20 I mean that's on the Day of Atonement. 34:22 There was a special offering 34:24 for the sins of the ignorance that, 34:27 you know, corporate sins people didn't even realize 34:29 they were committing. 34:31 But Jesus is the sacrifice for all. 34:35 And I love Hebrews 7:22 34:39 that says, "Jesus is our surety." 34:43 God has brought us into a covenant, 34:46 and we will talk about this, I'm sure. 34:48 His law is part of that covenant 34:51 because His law represents His character, 34:55 His law is kind of a moral standard. 35:00 It's 10 promises, 35:03 10 promises of what He will do in us. 35:06 But Jesus is the surety that we have. 35:10 And he says in Romans, 35:12 I mean, in Hebrews 7:25 that, 35:15 "He intercedes on our behalf constantly 35:17 and He's able to save to the uttermost." 35:19 So when you're talking about, 35:21 yeah, there's mistakes we've all made, 35:24 you know, we don't want anybody at home 35:26 to sit and say, oh, man, 35:27 they're beating us over the head 35:29 talking about law, law, law. 35:31 We're gonna get to the good stuff because... 35:33 That's right. 35:34 It is God who works in us too will 35:36 and to do His good pleasure. 35:38 It is God. 35:39 Once you know these things, 35:41 and you accept Him as your Savior. 35:43 It is God who's gonna complete the good work He's begun in us. 35:47 And there is good news where sin abounded grace, 35:51 abounded so much more. 35:53 Hey, Yvonne. Yes. 35:54 Well, I think, you know, there are a couple of places that 35:59 people will use in scripture like 36:02 in Matthew 5:17, 36:04 you know, "Think not that I've come to destroy the law, 36:07 I've not come to destroy, but to fulfill." 36:09 Fulfill. 36:10 And, you know, 36:12 what does that mean? 36:14 What does that mean to us? 36:15 Like, does that mean that, you know... 36:17 Can you give the scripture again? 36:18 Matthew 5:17, I believe it is. 36:20 And may wanna folks at home may wanna know. 36:22 Yeah, Matthew 5:17. 36:26 I'll read it. 36:28 "Do not think that I came to destroy the law 36:30 or the prophets." 36:31 This is from the New King James. 36:33 "I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." 36:36 So what does the word fulfill mean? 36:41 Does it mean that... Shelley's got an answer. 36:43 I know she's chomping at the bit, right? 36:45 Does it mean that 36:48 He just did away with it 36:50 or He was the embodiment of it, and there's no more law? 36:53 What does that mean? 36:55 Because that's one of the scriptures, 36:57 that many Christians use who, 37:00 you know, who think that we don't have the law anymore. 37:04 We don't have the law anymore. 37:05 Came not to destroy, but to fulfill, Shelley. 37:08 So that juxtaposition right there, 37:10 which you said, I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. 37:13 Fulfill is to cause it to overflow. 37:18 And, you know, there was the letter of the law 37:21 is what Pharisees followed. 37:23 And Jesus when He fulfilled and caused it to overflow, 37:28 He said, "Oh, okay." 37:29 So you think it's a sin to commit adultery. 37:33 I say to you, any man that looks at a woman 37:37 with lust in his eyes is sin. 37:40 Okay, so it's a sin, you're breaking the law, 37:43 if you murder, I say to you, the spirit of the law, 37:48 is that if you hate your brother. 37:50 I mean, he caused it to overflow. 37:53 He also fulfilled in this sense. 37:56 I love the study of the sanctuary, 37:59 because the sanctuary is theology in physical form. 38:04 The whole plan of salvation is laid out in the sanctuary. 38:09 Jesus fulfilled all of these things, 38:14 bringing us up to this point, 38:17 where now He's fulfilling us. 38:19 He's filling us by the power of His Holy Spirit. 38:23 So Jesus fulfilled the things of the past but in... 38:27 When somebody says, 38:28 "Oh, that means there is no more law, 38:31 we're still covenant." 38:32 Aren't we? 38:34 I mean, this is what we don't talk 38:35 about enough is that we are God's covenant people. 38:38 Let's look at Hebrews Chapter 8. 38:41 Hebrews Chapter 8, 38:44 when Jesus said, 38:45 I didn't come to destroy the law, 38:49 but to fulfill it. 38:51 In Hebrews 8:10, 38:55 this is God speaking. 38:58 And, you know, all of the covenant, 39:01 I mean, every one of what we call covenants, 39:05 it is all a progressive revelation 39:08 of the everlasting gospel. 39:12 It's all God is just building each one on the next. 39:17 By the time He comes to the point 39:18 where He says in verse 10, 39:20 for this is the covenant that I will make with 39:24 is the house of Israel, 39:26 after those days, says the Lord, 39:28 this is the new covenant, 39:30 I will put what? 39:33 My laws in their mind, 39:37 I will write them on their hearts, 39:40 I will be their God and they shall be My people. 39:43 So as we go through this, 39:45 I'm sure we will progress 39:47 to where we look at, 39:49 was the Ten Commandments 39:51 or were the Ten Commandments nailed to the cross 39:54 or are they the foundation of God's government? 39:58 Boy, we can really cut loose on that one. 40:02 Probably ought to wait till the next hour. 40:05 I wanna say, which I forgot to do it earlier. 40:08 For those of you who want to study more on the topic, 40:12 tonight, we're giving away the book, 40:14 The Ten Commandments Twice Removed. 40:16 You can get these books by calling us 40:18 at (618) 627-4651. 40:21 Or you can email us at live@3abn.tv. 40:26 That's live@3abn.tv. 40:28 Now what we're doing, Yvonne, 40:29 is we're not selling books, 40:31 we're actually giving books away 40:33 and I can say thank you to all of you 40:36 who have sent literally finances in. 40:38 Yeah. 40:39 They says, "Hey, I can't go out 40:40 and I'm maybe too old anymore, 40:42 my health is not good. 40:43 I can't go out." 40:45 We've actually had people that are incarcerated, 40:47 send a little money and say, "Hey, I can't go out. 40:50 But here's to help with this." 40:52 So thank you for those of you donating. 40:54 So what we're doing because of that, 40:56 in your sacrifice, 40:58 now we can make these books available to you. 41:00 You can get them 100 in a box or 500, 41:03 even 1000 at your church, 41:05 if you're willing to take them and pass them out. 41:08 Sabbath afternoons is always a good time. 41:11 The rate and the shipping is all you would pay. 41:13 And the flat rate is 22 cents per book. 41:16 Wow! 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That's good. 44:28 So with the covenant there in place, 44:31 you find that when we talked about the word fulfill. 44:35 Fulfill has a number of applications. 44:37 One it means in with the very same context 44:40 for that covenant to be understood. 44:42 The Lord established a sanctuary 44:44 in the Old Testament, 44:46 that every component of that was a reminder 44:48 that His covenant is ratified. 44:50 His covenant is one that is secure, 44:52 and He's the one 44:53 that's living up to the agreement. 44:55 As Shelley made it very clear, 44:56 He's simply bringing us into the relationship. 44:59 So every aspect of that covenant 45:01 was portrayed in the lamb being sacrificed, 45:04 Jesus became the lamb, 45:06 the table of showbread or the bread, 45:08 Jesus became the bread of life. 45:09 The candelabra was lit, 45:11 Jesus became the light of the world. 45:12 Where the priests washed their hands in the water, 45:14 Jesus became the water of life. 45:16 He was showing that this covenant 45:17 will continue long after all these examples 45:20 are replaced by the actual man himself. 45:22 Okay. 45:23 The one who makes this covenant with us. 45:25 So when we talked about fulfill that people say, 45:27 well, the law has been fulfilled. 45:29 Jesus fulfilled every requirement, 45:31 He became the lamb, He became the water, 45:33 He became the bread, He became the light, 45:35 everything pointed, He fulfilled it, 45:37 He became all those things. 45:39 The high priest, He became the high priest, 45:41 He always was, but He was showing 45:42 that I'm coming. 45:44 So when He came, 45:45 He did not just fulfill all those things 45:47 that's being pointed out, but He magnified it. 45:50 Amen. 45:51 Isaiah 42:21, 45:53 "The Lord He will magnify the law 45:56 and make it honorable." 45:57 So instead of saying, here's an earthly high priest, 46:01 He says, I'm the real high priest. 46:03 Instead of things that are sacrificed by blood 46:05 is My blood, 46:07 instead of the water that was brought from a stream, 46:10 I'm the water of life that brings eternal life, 46:13 He magnified it, made it even better, 46:15 instead of saying, 46:16 "If you kill somebody you in danger of death," 46:19 He said, "If you hate them, 46:21 you're in violating 46:23 the very law of thou shalt not kill." 46:25 So He magnified it, didn't make it smaller. 46:28 So when we think that the law was done away with. 46:29 No, it's been magnified. 46:31 And I go back to my original premise to those 46:33 who are not even Christian. 46:35 One of the reasons why there's murder, 46:36 and crime, and violence everywhere 46:38 is because the Bible says in Isaiah 24:5, 46:41 "The earth is defiled by its people, 46:43 they have disobeyed the laws, 46:45 they have violated his statutes, 46:47 and they broke the everlasting covenant." 46:50 So what's happening in parts of the world 46:52 where Jesus has not even known, 46:54 the effect of His violated law 46:56 is being shown that it cannot be absent. 46:59 Okay. 47:01 If His law was done away with, these things couldn't happen. 47:04 Nobody could die. 47:05 Where there is no law, there is no sin. 47:07 Where there's no sin, there's no death 47:08 because there's death, 47:09 there's a law because there's a law, 47:11 there's a lawgiver. 47:12 And we're gonna define that law in just a moment 47:14 in the second half and show you 47:16 how that law is still in effect today 47:19 whether you're Christian or not. 47:21 All right. Now, Ryan. 47:23 I just wanna kind of just feed off what he just said, 47:25 no matter who you are, no matter where you are, 47:28 this law and its effects go so deep. 47:30 I mean, it's very, very much deep subject. 47:33 And I just want to show you something here 47:35 because I've gotten this question quite a bit. 47:36 And that is, you know, 47:38 you talked a lot about the law in relation to Christianity, 47:41 especially when we're doing evangelistic series, 47:43 we were preaching to predominantly 47:46 a Christian crowd, 47:48 someone who already has a preconceived idea 47:50 or, you know, an exposing to the law of God 47:53 in the Christian Bible. 47:56 But it's interesting. 47:57 What about those people say out 47:58 in the middle of the Amazon, or people, 48:01 you know, all the way across in Papa New Guinea 48:03 or all of these very 48:06 remote places of the earth that perhaps 48:08 maybe have never heard the law of God. 48:10 Paul writes right here, Romans Chapter 2, 48:13 I'm gonna begin with verse 12. 48:14 Notice what he says, 48:16 in regards to how deep the law and its effects go. 48:21 Romans 2:12 says, 48:22 "For as many as have sinned without law 48:24 will also perish without law, 48:27 and as many as have sinned in the law 48:29 will be judged by the law." 48:31 And then he goes on to say, "For not the hearers of the law 48:33 are just in the sight of God, 48:34 but the doers of the law shall be justified." 48:37 He says, now notice this, verse 14 and onward, it says, 48:40 "For when Gentiles," and I just want to pause there, 48:42 Gentiles, in the context of this passage, 48:45 would be likened unto those people 48:46 who were non-Christian, non-believers, 48:48 people who might not have a prior knowledge 48:52 of the Bible in the law. 48:54 So "For when the Gentiles, who do not have the law," 48:57 here it is, 48:59 "by nature," okay, 49:01 so notice this is almost like 49:03 He's communicating the God is instilled 49:04 within us something, 49:06 "by nature do the things of the law, 49:09 these, although not having the law, 49:11 are a law to themselves, 49:13 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, 49:17 their conscience also bearing witness, 49:19 and between themselves and their thoughts 49:22 accusing or else 49:23 excusing themselves or them 49:26 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men 49:28 by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." 49:31 So what He's writing here, He's saying those people 49:33 who have not necessarily been exposed to 49:35 or had a prior knowledge to the law, 49:36 does that excuse them now, 49:38 does that mean that they're not being judged? 49:40 No, no, no, they're by nature He says. 49:42 There is something within their conscience, 49:44 there's something within their minds and hearts 49:45 that they will be judged by. 49:47 In other words, that concept of good and evil, 49:49 right and wrong, 49:51 we were instilled within us as a kid, 49:54 I remember that before I really even knew 49:55 what the Ten Commandments were? 49:57 I knew it was instill with me, 49:59 do you know what that's not my toy. 50:00 I shouldn't take it. 50:01 But there was always that temptation, 50:03 whoo, I want it so bad, though, 50:04 you know, but there was something within me that said, 50:06 "Oh, it's probably not the best thing to do." 50:08 And I wanna really quickly with 50:09 before I pass it on to Pastor Kenny. 50:13 The word fulfill, 50:14 you mentioned that over in Matthew Chapter 5, 50:16 actually was Yvonne that mentioned the scripture 50:18 and then the word fulfilled, I just wanna make mention here. 50:21 This is a powerful covenant language. 50:23 Okay, we're talking about covenant language here. 50:25 And I know we've thrown that word around quite a bit. 50:27 But when I think of Christ being a fulfillment of the law, 50:30 obviously, He's fulfilling the law 50:32 in the sense of something that came before Him, 50:34 a covenant agreement, 50:36 something that was set in place far before Him. 50:38 I'm gonna go back to the origin of this covenant 50:41 in relation to the commandment law. 50:43 This is found in Exodus 19:5-8. 50:46 Notice what the Bible says here. 50:48 Now I'm not gonna read all of this, 50:50 but I want you to see here, 50:52 that basically, 50:54 God has told Moses go down and tell my people these words, 50:58 and this is what he says, 50:59 "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice, 51:03 and keep My covenant, 51:04 then you shall be a special treasure to Me 51:06 above all people, for all the earth is Mine. 51:08 And you shall be to Me 51:10 a kingdom of priests and holy nation. 51:12 These are the words which you shall speak 51:13 to the children of Israel." 51:15 Okay, so God basically calls Moses up the mountain, 51:17 He says, "Look, I want them to be My special people, 51:20 I want these to be My people." 51:21 Now keep in mind, 51:22 these people have been in 400 years of bondage. 51:24 Okay. 51:25 Now while they might have had traditional stories 51:28 and sayings that had been passed down, 51:30 they had not been exposed 51:31 to God's laws and God's principles 51:33 for more than 400 years. 51:35 So now God is taking these people saying, 51:36 I want these to be My people. 51:38 But here's the condition, 51:39 we used this word a few minutes ago, 51:40 while God does give the promise, 51:42 He brings a special condition with it. 51:44 Okay. 51:45 That if, 51:47 only if you will obey My voice and keep My covenant, 51:50 then you shall be My people, indeed. 51:52 And I just wanna end with this and pass it on to Pastor Kenny 51:56 that we're headed in this direction. 51:58 And this is gonna take us a while to break this down. 52:00 But, you know, it's one thing when you see the secular world, 52:04 people out there in the world 52:05 who necessarily don't believe in God. 52:08 They struggle with the belief that there even is a God 52:10 and especially with this concept 52:12 of good and evil, right and wrong. 52:14 But it's a whole another thing, 52:16 when you have a people that claim to be Christian, 52:19 that are taking on the name of God 52:21 that have created institutions in the name of God, 52:24 who are now within the Christian world, 52:27 and telling the rest of the world 52:29 that this law that God has set in place 52:32 is no longer in effect. 52:33 Pastor Kenny, what do we do with that? 52:35 It's good. Good. 52:36 Yeah. I got feeling. Yeah. Go ahead. 52:38 To me that's the ultimate challenge 52:41 is that now the secular people are looking 52:43 inside the Christian church and they're saying, 52:45 you people don't even agree with each other, 52:46 you talk about good and evil sin, 52:49 you know, right from wrong, but, you know, 52:52 if there's a law 52:53 should we keep it or should we not 52:54 much of the Christian will today say, 52:56 that law is was done away with. 52:57 I know what Brother Kenny does 52:58 what he's been doing for 35 years 53:00 just tell the truth, right? 53:02 That's right. Continue telling the truth. 53:04 We need to in the Word of God 'cause, you know, 53:06 we talked about the law, we talked about abolish, 53:08 done away with, we hear that so often, don't we? 53:10 Done away with it. 53:11 Abolish... I used to believe it. 53:13 Well, probably some here probably used to believe that 53:15 but, you know, when you think about abolish just, 53:17 food for thought. 53:19 And I always say you can hang your hat 53:20 or you can throw it out if you want to. 53:22 But if the law is abolished here, you can... 53:25 Now be careful with it. 53:26 You can hate God, 53:27 and you can hate your fellow man. 53:30 Think about it. 53:31 If it's abolished 53:32 because on these two hang all 53:34 law and the testaments. 53:35 That's right. 53:37 And also, when I read in Romans, 53:38 what is it 7:14, 53:40 it tells right then if we're debating about a law, 53:43 it says, "The law is," what? 53:44 Holy. It's holy. 53:46 It's spiritual, isn't it, number one. 53:47 So we know the law is spiritual. 53:49 So why would you want to do away 53:50 with something that's spiritual, 53:52 something that's holy, something that's just, 53:53 something that's good? 53:55 So that sets us on a good firm foundation. 53:57 I read that passage here I think it was in. 54:00 I think it's Romans 7:14, is what I wanted. 54:02 Yes. Yes. 54:04 "For we know that the law is spiritual, 54:06 but I am carnal, 54:08 sold under sin." 54:12 So we know number one that it's spiritual. 54:14 So rather than say, it's done away with, 54:16 it's abolished, we no longer have to do it. 54:19 What do we do with something that's... 54:21 My question goes at, what do we do 54:22 with something that's spiritual? 54:23 Oh. 54:25 Should we throw it out? Can we throw it out? 54:26 Or should we even think about throwing it out 54:28 if it's spiritual 54:30 because we think that belongs to God? 54:32 Amen. Amen. 54:34 Something He's given to us. 54:35 So I just, you know, I'm challenged with that. 54:38 And I want to challenge people saying that's right. Yeah. 54:41 It's spiritual. 54:42 I got a lot, I wanna say but it's... 54:43 Oh, good. Praise God. 54:45 You got it. Go ahead. 54:46 You got it man, go ahead. You got it man, so. 54:48 You're gonna have to wait and start me on the next side. 54:51 All right, you know, Ryan, when you were talking about 54:53 we got just a minute or so here. 54:55 You said people and say 54:57 you just throw out Papua New Guinea. 54:59 John, you've been there, I've been there. 55:00 But here's what was interesting. 55:02 And especially 1950s and '60s, 55:05 when so many of our missionaries, 55:06 Adventist missionaries were going into then these, 55:10 you know, places 55:12 where the gospel had never been. 55:14 But the missionaries came back 55:15 with different stories than what we thought. 55:18 The missionary says, 55:20 "They have a way of life 55:22 and they have lost." 55:23 That's right. 55:25 One man, one woman, 55:26 no woman to woman, no man to man. 55:28 And this is in the 1950s through someone 55:30 who'd never read a Bible, never heard about God. 55:34 They knew when it saying 55:35 there's something there by nature, 55:37 they do what is right, they knew it. 55:39 There were laws for adultery. 55:42 There's laws for stealing, against stealing. 55:44 So they had literally the last six, 55:47 you know, your duties to man. 55:50 They already knew all of that. 55:52 Now they had, we're serving to the best 55:54 they knew how of gods with little G's. 55:59 But then when the gospel came, 56:01 they saw the big picture and they accepted. 56:03 So these people, 56:05 that's what it means when you say judging, 56:07 well, how about these people? 56:08 You know what? 56:10 There's a big difference in those folk, 56:11 and what you were saying, people within the church 56:14 and that's why we came up with the name 56:17 Ten Commandments Twice Removed. 56:19 We said here, all of these people 56:21 putting signs in their yards 56:23 during Judge Roy Moore's ordeal, 56:25 putting signs in the yards, showing the Ten Commandments. 56:28 But if you knock on the door, and say, 56:31 "Do you keep the commandments of God." 56:32 They say, "Oh, well, they were nailed to the cross." 56:34 Oh. So I say, "Now, wait a minute." 56:35 So the church actually did away with commandments first. 56:39 Now the government's doing it. 56:41 And they're wondering, well, why so we say 56:43 the Ten Commandments Twice Removed. 56:45 Speaking of that, that book is available to you, 56:49 all you have to do is pay the shipping, 56:51 22 cents per book. 56:52 If you just wanna single copy tonight to read, 56:55 we're happy to send that to you also. 56:58 But we have some left. 56:59 Out of the million, we're down to 100 57:01 and some odd thousand left. 57:02 So first come first serve. 57:04 If you call and you're willing to pass these books out 57:07 because we have seen tremendous results. 57:09 And literally I think I can say 57:11 thousands of people have come to know the Lord. 57:13 Amen. 57:15 And understand truth and even numbers of pastors 57:17 from other denominations 57:19 who read the book who have converted 57:21 and will have some of those at camp meeting for sure. 57:23 Yeah. 57:25 Anyway, we're gonna have to take a break 57:26 for the first hour, 57:27 but we will be back in just a moment. 57:29 So don't go away. 57:30 Can I have...? |
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