I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain Lord,
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Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends, and
welcome to another edition
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of 3ABN Family Worship.
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That's right, it's Friday night.
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We are here in the Sabbath hours
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and we're
gathered around His family,
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around this table,
and we're ready to worship
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the Lord in spirit and in truth.
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We have a very, very
exciting topic tonight.
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This is one of my favorite
topics because I believe
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it's so relevant for
the time that we're living.
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There's so much
confusion surrounding
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different aspects of the gospel,
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and what you
should or should not do
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when it comes to your
relationship with Jesus,
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and how to simply have
salvation in Jesus Christ.
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Well, we're going
to clear it up tonight.
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We're going to let the
Word of God speak directly.
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And we're just excited
that you're joining us.
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If this is your very
first time tuning in.
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My name is Ryan Day.
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I work here at the Three Angels
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Broadcasting Network in
the pastoral department.
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And it's just a
blessing to have you.
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You could be doing
anything else right now,
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but you're with us.
And we appreciate it.
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I just want to let
you know also in advance,
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get your pens, get your pencils,
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your paper, your iPads,
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your pen pads, anything
you can use to take notes
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because you're going
to want to write down some
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of these texts that we're going
to be going through tonight.
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Because more than likely
you're going to want to share
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this with a
friend or a family member
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or someone that you
know, because this is one
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of those topics
that just comes up often.
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So many people are
confused about the simple aspect
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of works versus grace,
what you should or should
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not do when it comes to
your relationship with Jesus.
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And so, we're not
going to say anymore
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about that because we're going
to talk about in just a moment.
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But I want to
introduce you all to our family
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here around the table.
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We have some, some familiar
faces and some newer faces,
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but nonetheless
they are our family.
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And I guess, I'm going to
start to my direct right here.
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We have Miss Shelley
Quinn and Brother JD Quinn.
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It's a blessing to
have you both always.
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And you know what?
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There may be someone
watching for the first time
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who doesn't know who
you are, what you do.
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Tell us what
you do here at 3ABN?
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I'm program develop manager,
we do everything at 3ABN.
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That's right.
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We all wear so many hats.
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I appreciate that
you didn't say old faces,
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new faces, but
familiar faces and new faces.
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All right. All
right. And, Brother JD?
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And I work in
pastoral department.
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It's an absolute joy to share
with people around the world.
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You know, I find out that most,
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everybody puts their
pants on the same way
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and at the same time,
boy, everybody's got issues,
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they got praise reports,
they got prayer requests.
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And so we're...
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We try to be
there to encourage them,
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share scripture with
them, and just love them.
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Amen. And I
appreciate JD's humility.
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He doesn't just work in
the pastoral department.
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He happens to be the manager
of our pastoral department
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and also my supervisor.
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And I have the
privilege and honor of working
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with you on a day-to-day basis.
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And it's a blessing to
have you here on the program
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today, Brother.
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I love you much.
Amen. Praise the Lord.
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But now we're gonna go
across the Red Sea here.
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Across this big table,
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and we're gonna
introduce a couple of people
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whom has just
become my dear friends.
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You're not necessarily
the new guys on the block,
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but you certainly are
newer here to the ministry.
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We have Brother Ian and
Sister Angela Vandervalk.
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And, Ian, tell us a
little bit about yourself
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and what you do here?
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Yeah, sure. So we arrived here
at 3ABN about six months ago.
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And Angela and I are
part of the production crew.
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I'm one of the floor
directors here and it's just...
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I'm just blessed to be here.
I'm excited for this study.
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Amen. Amen.
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It's a blessing
to have you guys.
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Angela, what do you do here?
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All kinds of things, huh?
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Oh, I usually just
run camera and do makeup.
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All right. And you
do a fantastic job.
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Fantastic job.
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As you can see, she
has always a smiling face.
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It's addictive, right?
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It just kind of just
spreads like a virus,
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which is a good thing.
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It's a blessing
to have you guys.
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It was easy for me to remember
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your name because
you're such an angel.
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And so angel and
Angela. That's right.
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I just want to
say, we're so blessed
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at 3ABN that you've joined us
because you are a perfect fit.
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I mean, you both
have a heart for the Lord.
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I want to
praise you. Praise God.
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You've been a blessing already.
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I would imagine that the topic
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we're going to be
sharing this evening
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probably could fit y'all.
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Oh, absolutely.
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As you're going through
life, Lord, what can I do?
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Where do I fit? That's right.
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Do you have a plan for me?
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I love what you put together.
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Amen. Amen. I
mean, this is fantastic.
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And I think you mentioned this,
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I would like to emphasize it.
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If I was going to go out
and get my first Bible study,
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I might use
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the study that we're
going to do this evening.
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I think I'd use
this as my guideline,
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please, as Ryan
mentioned while ago,
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that, get your pen
and pencil, paper out
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and write down these scriptures.
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Put them on a three by
five card, look at them.
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And then if someone
comes to you and wants to know,
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why they're
falling in love with Jesus,
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you can follow this
guide and hit a home run.
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Hit a home run for Jesus.
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Absolutely. Praise
the Lord. Praise the Lord.
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You know, the title
of this, this study,
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if there is such one, I
guess, we were gonna give
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a title to this.
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It's very simple,
you shouldn't forget it,
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it's just "Do".
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Do. That's it. D-O, Do.
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And I think you're gonna
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see why it's entitled
that in just a moment,
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because we're
going to be talking about
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basically two
phases of different aspects
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of how people's minds
work, or maybe sometimes
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even misapply when it
comes to different aspects
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of the gospel
of works and grace,
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and the
conversation of salvation,
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wondering about what
we should do and not do.
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But before we get into
the meat of this study,
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I want to go
ahead and have a prayer.
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And, Brother JD, I'm
gonna ask you to have us
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a prayer if you don't mind?
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Amen. Thank you, Brother.
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Father, as we come to
You in the name of Jesus.
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We thank you for the Sabbath.
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We thank you for,
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for the opportunity to be able
to talk about You and how You,
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how You are there in
the center of our lives.
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We want to be in the
center of Your will, Lord.
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So, Father, be with
us as we go forward.
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Get us out of the way, Lord.
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If someone
doesn't understand this,
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maybe they know
it better than we do.
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But, Father, that we
all shall be touched.
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And, Father, that we will
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and truly be ambassadors
for the kingdom of God.
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Amen.
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We love You and thank
You in the name of Jesus.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen. Amen.
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Well, I feel like
there is plenty of scriptural
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evidence as we're
about to dive into this.
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You're going to
see that there's plenty
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of scriptural
evidence that provides
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very clearly for us
an example that each
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and every one of us are
the same in the sense that
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when it comes to,
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you know, God
reaching the heart.
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If your heart is pricked,
and were drawn to Jesus,
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often we end up
asking the question.
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What must I do?
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What shall I do?
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To kick us off in this,
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I want to start
with Luke 3:4-10.
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I'm going to read through this,
and then we'll just kind of go
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through a few of the
scriptural examples here.
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Again, this is
just to kind of show,
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kind of a cause and effect.
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I'm going to use Ian's words.
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We were discussing that earlier.
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He was sharing
with me that I see kind
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of a cause and effect.
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And he's absolutely
right, in the sense that in each
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one of these examples,
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someone has been
affected in some way,
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whether positive or negative
by words that they have heard
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or something they
have witnessed and seen.
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And you'll notice that
in each one of these cases,
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there's a question to follow.
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We're in Luke 3:4-10.
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Notice what the Bible says.
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It says, "As it is
written in the book of the words
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of Isaiah the prophet, saying:
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'The voice of the one
crying in the wilderness:
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Prepare the way of the
Lord, make His paths straight.
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Every valley shall be
filled and every mountain
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and hill brought low,
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and crooked places
shall be made straight
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and the rough ways
smooth, and all flesh shall see
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the salvation of God.'"
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Of course, this is
John the Baptist preaching,
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and he's
bringing about the truth.
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And he's preaching to
the people, because Jesus
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is going to be soon arriving.
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And he's making
the message very clear.
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But we're picking
up in verse 7 here.
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It says, "Then he said
to the multitudes that came
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out to be baptized by him."
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And these are strong
words, but notice what he says.
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He says, "Brood of vipers!
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Who warned you to flee
from the wrath to come?
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Therefore bear
fruits worthy of repentance,
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and do not begin
to say to yourselves,
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'We have Abraham as our father.'
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For I say to you that
God is able to raise up
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children to
Abraham from these stones.
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And even now the ax is
laid to the root of the trees.
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Therefore every tree
which does not bear good fruit
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is cut down and
thrown into the fire.
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So the people asked
him, saying," there it is,
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"What shall we do then?'"
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There's this innate
natural inclination,
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natural drive in us often,
that when we hear a message,
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when we hear the good news,
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if we're affected whether
it's positive or negative,
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it's just natural for
us to ask or inquire than
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what can I do, right?
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And we see
examples of this all the way
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through Scripture, you know,
even over and I put this down.
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We may not read the
entire passage here.
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But even with the instance
of Paul's conversion, right?
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He's on his way to Damascus.
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He's on his way
to arrest Christians,
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all the while thinking
he's doing the work of God.
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And Jesus, he has an
encounter with Jesus,
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a real genuine
encounter with Jesus.
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And, of course, he's
knocked to the ground,
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he's blinded.
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He has this
beautiful moment with Jesus.
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But in verse 6 of
Acts Chapter 9, it says,
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"So he, trembling and
astonished, said, 'Lord,
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what do You want me to do?'"
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And so, have you guys ever
had this experience before,
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where you've reached a point
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maybe in your life,
in your relationship
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with the Lord?
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Maybe it was the very
first time you've ever heard
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the truth,
you've ever experienced,
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you know, the gospel,
the true gospel of Jesus?
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Have you ever...
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Have you guys ever
had this experience
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where your natural response was,
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you know, what do I do now?
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I know,
definitely, at least for me,
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when I first became a Christian,
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which actually
wasn't even that long ago,
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was about two years ago.
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Right.
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You know, the very
first thing I remember,
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right, when I got
baptized, the next day,
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I just wanted to
know, what can I do?
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You know, all my life
had been doing things my way.
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Right.
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And I was like, you
know, here I am, I'm baptized.
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I'm now committed to the Lord.
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This is a different,
you know, aspect now.
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This is something
I'm not accustomed to.
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But there's
something I need to be doing.
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And I was trying
to figure it out,
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and just going
through it, and it was just,
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it was difficult at
first, obviously, but you just,
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you rely on the
Lord and, you know,
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you try not to get in the way.
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That's right.
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And you just allow Him
to start working on you.
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But definitely for me,
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when I first became a Christian,
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I just felt compelled.
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Okay, now I need
to be doing something
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and what is that, Lord?
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What is it that
You need from me?
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Absolutely.
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And it has to be put
in proper perspective.
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That's what we're working
towards in this conversation,
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is that while we
have this natural drive,
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this natural
response of, okay, Lord,
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you know, what do
you want me to do?
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Another example
here, just to quote here,
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Acts Chapter 2 on
the day of Pentecost,
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Peter's preaching, right?
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He's just delivered
this powerful sermon.
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And I love the words,
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you know, as he
says there in verse 36,
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"Therefore, let
all the house of Israel
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know assuredly that
God has made this Jesus
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whom you crucified,
both the Lord and Christ."
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Now they heard this.
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So now the people have heard,
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you know, our sins,
nailed Jesus to the cross.
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And the Bible says,
they were cut to the heart.
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Notice verse 37,
"Now when they heard this,
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they were cut to the
heart, and said to Peter
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and the rest of the
apostles, 'Men and brethren,
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what shall we do?'"
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Shelley, have you
ever had this experience,
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a similar experience?
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I know you've preached a lot.
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I've been in
evangelistic series,
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you've been in
evangelistic settings.
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What's your experiences
with a response such as this?
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I think, for me,
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the most difficult thing
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was learning not to do.
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I grew up kind of in
a performer mentality
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where I thought, and I know
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we're gonna get
there shortly once.
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Sure, no, no, go ahead.
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But for me, I
don't know about you.
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But for 50 years, I
tried to save myself.
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It was like, oh,
Lord, what do I need to do?
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And I had to do mores.
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I mean, it would be like, oh,
if only I read my Bible more,
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if only I prayed more,
if only I did this more.
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And so the big do was
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when I was,
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I knew that there was
something holding me back.
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And I asked the Lord about it.
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And I really was impressed
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with this thought
that I will show you
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the wall that you were hitting.
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And it was like,
yeah, I'm hitting the wall.
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Well, then, you know,
sometimes God will tease.
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I don't want to say tease,
but He dropped something in us.
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And then it takes a
while to explain it.
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So I'm studying
and studying and like,
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Lord, what are
You gonna show me?
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What is this wall I'm hitting?
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And what do you want
me to do? Right, exactly.
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So one day, He
explained it to me that the wall
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I was hitting was a
wall of self-resistance.
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And what He wanted me
to do was to yield to Him
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and learn to be
totally dependent upon Him.
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And, boy, that's tough. It is.
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Because, again, our natural
inclination is to want to take
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charge and want
to do it ourselves.
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But I love what you
said, we have to learn
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what not to do often,
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especially when we
begin to comprehend
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what Christ has
done for us on the cross.
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Oftentimes we want
to try to add to like,
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oh, well, I know Jesus
died for me on the cross,
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but I've got to do
all this extra stuff,
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you know, to make
God more happy about me,
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or to make God love me more too,
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or to please Him, accept me,
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you know, in His
love and in His grace.
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But, you know
it's interesting there,
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there are interesting
aspects of scripture,
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places in scripture
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where we find this same
response, what must I do?
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And, you know, Christ's
response is quite interesting.
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Let's go...
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Let's first go
actually to Acts Chapter 16.
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Well, I'm going to go to John.
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We're going to go to
John 6 in just a moment.
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In fact, if you don't mind,
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Ian, I'm going
to have you to read
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John 6:26-30 in just a moment
so feel prepared for that.
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But, Brother JD,
if you don't mind,
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let's go to Acts Chapter 16.
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It's interesting
because this is the story
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of the person, the
jail caretaker basically,
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and Paul and Silas
has been put in jail,
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but then God busts them out.
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There's an
earthquake, it shakes,
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this place is
shaken, the doors fly open,
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and this guy
now thinks, "Oh, no,
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all the
prisoners have gone loose.
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I'm going to lose my life,
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I'm going to lose
my job and my life."
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He's just, you
know, feeling horrible.
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And then Paul has to
say, "No, no, no, look,
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we're still here."
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And then he realizes that Paul
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and Silas are not
just any old normal,
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you know, guys
around here that they have
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a relationship with God.
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And so notice his
response, this is Act 16:29-31.
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Go ahead, Brother.
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"And then he called
for a light, ran in,
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and fell down
trembling before Paul and Silas.
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And he brought
them out and said,
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'Sir, sir, what
must I do to be saved?'
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And so they said, 'Believe
on the Lord Jesus Christ,
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and you will be saved,
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you and your household.'"
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Is there
something missing there?
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I think what... I
don't want to take it, but...
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No, go ahead.
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What's missing is
people's understand
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of what it means to believe.
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Right.
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We got to believe that Jesus
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is who He said He was.
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You know, in John 20:31.
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John said, he
wrote his entire...
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He said, I couldn't fit
all of his acts in a book.
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But I've written these things,
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so that you may believe
that Jesus is the Christ,
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the Son of God, and
that by believing you
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may have life in His name.
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We've got to
believe in what he did in 2,
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1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Paul says,
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"I delivered first of
all to you what I received:
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that Christ died for our sins
according to the Scriptures,
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and that He was buried,
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and that He rose
again on the third day
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according to the Scriptures."
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So, you know, there's
this idea that some people,
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it's like, oh, yeah,
I believe in the Lord,
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but it's a mental assent.
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The devils, the demons believe
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and tremble is what James says.
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But believing in Jesus
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is to be living in Jesus.
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Sure.
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So when he said,
"Believe in the Lord,
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and you will be saved."
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Yeah, in Christ.
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I mean, that's really
how simple the gospel is.
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And we make it
complicated, don't we? Right.
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It really is, right?
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And, Angela, I'm not gonna put
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you on the spot, but yet I am.
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I just gonna to ask
you a simple question.
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Let's be real for a moment.
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So you were raised, I
think you told me you were
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raised in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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Was there ever a
moment in your life
00:18:21.66\00:18:23.67
down through there?
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Maybe there was,
maybe there wasn't?
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Was there ever a
moment in your life down
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through the time
00:18:27.80\00:18:29.14
being raised in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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that you felt like you couldn't,
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you weren't good enough?
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Or you couldn't do
enough to achieve salvation?
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Was there any type of
pressure on you that you
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might have felt
like, you know what?
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I feel like I've got to
keep the commandments better.
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I've got to, you know,
do all this extra stuff.
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I got to keep the right diet.
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So all of this outward do
in order for you to please
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God and be
accepted as a Christian?
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Did you ever have any experience
00:18:51.89\00:18:53.23
like that growing up?
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And growing up? Well, sure.
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But then I left the church
when I was about a teenager.
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Okay.
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So when I left
the church, of course,
00:19:01.00\00:19:02.47
I was in the
world, so I didn't care.
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But then when I
went back to the Lord,
00:19:04.54\00:19:05.97
of course, I was trying
to get close to Him and,
00:19:06.01\00:19:07.94
Lord, what can I do
to get closer to You?
00:19:07.98\00:19:10.51
And when I got married,
and we had marriage problems.
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I always prayed, I
want to divorce my husband.
00:19:15.75\00:19:18.59
And I was like, "God,
what do You want me to do?
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What can I do? Like
I want to leave Him.
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Stop keeping me with him.
I just want to leave him."
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But God just kept us together.
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And I just kept
praying for my husband
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and doing God's
will and not my will.
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And look at him now.
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I'm sitting
right here next to him.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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So, but, you
know, in that sense,
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you know, you were
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and I love what you said there,
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I want Your will not my own.
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But oftentimes
people think that it's God's
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will for them to do more.
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And I love, there was a
presentation that I gave
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a couple of years ago at...
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Actually it was last
year, I believe it was it.
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Winter camp
meeting in California,
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you were supposed to present it,
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and then you had
some surgeries and...
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Grace plus.
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Grace plus, and I love that
title because the inspiration
00:20:05.40\00:20:07.80
behind that is
the idea that I know
00:20:07.84\00:20:09.57
I'm saved by grace, but...
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Yeah. You know, I got to have...
00:20:11.64\00:20:13.17
I got to have the
grace of God plus.
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I had to do this extracurricular
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stuff to please God.
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Talk a little bit about that?
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And anytime we have grace...
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Everything's by grace,
even obedience is by grace.
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You know, when
you think about it,
00:20:27.36\00:20:28.69
that God works in us to will
00:20:28.72\00:20:31.79
and to do His good pleasure.
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The whole idea of salvation.
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God's plan is total
dependence upon Him,
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which requires a
whole lot of humility.
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We are so prideful.
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We think, you know, I'm
gonna tell you quick story.
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Met this person who was ornery,
00:20:46.61\00:20:50.81
judgmental, unforgiving,
00:20:50.85\00:20:55.35
handful.
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And this person then
said to someone else,
00:20:57.22\00:20:59.72
"I'm ready to be
translated, because I'm a vegan.
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I tithe, I keep the Sabbath."
00:21:03.76\00:21:06.39
And you're thinking,
see, that's grace plus.
00:21:06.43\00:21:09.53
Anytime you think
only God can save us,
00:21:09.56\00:21:13.50
only Jesus, it is a gift.
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Right. That's right.
00:21:15.54\00:21:16.97
And you're asking her
growing up as an Adventist.
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I grew up in the
Church of Christ.
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You, they measure
where our hemlines were.
00:21:21.88\00:21:26.08
We had so many rules
00:21:26.11\00:21:28.15
and regulations
that I was taught
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I had to be
perfect for God to love me.
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Sure.
00:21:34.56\00:21:36.06
And that, you know, we
didn't study Revelation,
00:21:36.09\00:21:38.76
that there was one scripture
that I knew from Revelation,
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I heard it over and over.
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If you're lukewarm,
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He's going to spew
you from His mouth.
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So all my life,
00:21:47.87\00:21:49.57
I tried to be perfect
for my family to love me,
00:21:49.60\00:21:52.24
perfect for God to love me.
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And I couldn't be and I walked
away from the Lord as well.
00:21:54.04\00:21:57.71
I mean, I remembered
shaking my fist in His head
00:21:57.75\00:22:01.12
and my fist in His face saying,
00:22:01.15\00:22:03.59
"I can't be perfect.
00:22:03.62\00:22:04.95
I give up." You
require too much.
00:22:04.99\00:22:08.12
I didn't know
about grace. Right.
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I'm glad we have
Ian and Angela here,
00:22:11.23\00:22:13.13
because Angela being
raised in the church,
00:22:13.16\00:22:15.16
and you're just a
couple of years in,
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not that you weren't
maybe a believer before,
00:22:17.40\00:22:19.50
but you're relatively
00:22:19.53\00:22:21.04
new Seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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You know, it's interesting,
00:22:23.04\00:22:24.51
I've had more and
more people tell me
00:22:24.54\00:22:26.11
who have either
been raised in the church
00:22:26.14\00:22:27.51
or have been in the
church at least for a while,
00:22:27.54\00:22:29.54
that many times
they've gotten discouraged
00:22:29.58\00:22:31.71
and often left the
church because they felt
00:22:31.75\00:22:35.25
like it was a works based
or works approach to salvation.
00:22:35.28\00:22:39.52
I just mentioned
that because have you
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felt that at all since
you've been in the faith?
00:22:41.69\00:22:44.16
Or have you experienced
that maybe from any outside
00:22:44.19\00:22:47.40
sources or
maybe friends, family?
00:22:47.43\00:22:50.27
Have you sensed
that, like, oh, man,
00:22:50.30\00:22:51.67
I just can't live
up to this, right?
00:22:51.70\00:22:53.50
It feels like I'm
having to, you know, really,
00:22:53.54\00:22:55.27
you'll keep a checklist
of, oh, I've got to make sure
00:22:55.30\00:22:57.14
I do this and this and
this to be a good Christian.
00:22:57.17\00:22:59.31
Give me your thoughts
on that? Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:59.34\00:23:01.94
You know, when I was growing up,
00:23:01.98\00:23:03.31
though, I was raised
in a Catholic Church.
00:23:03.35\00:23:05.81
Okay. That's right.
00:23:05.85\00:23:07.18
So, you know, my
mother was Irish Catholic.
00:23:07.22\00:23:09.48
And basically, you know,
you, as you already know,
00:23:09.52\00:23:11.92
when you go to Catholic Church,
00:23:11.95\00:23:14.66
when you sin, you
got to go as a priest,
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and then he tells you
00:23:16.12\00:23:17.46
what you need to say
this many Hail Marys,
00:23:17.49\00:23:19.19
and this many Our Fathers just,
00:23:19.23\00:23:21.06
you know, so in a
sense, that's almost like
00:23:21.10\00:23:22.93
works based because, and,
00:23:22.96\00:23:25.27
you know, but as I
came, you know, to the truth,
00:23:25.30\00:23:27.77
and I accepted the
Lord, just like you said,
00:23:27.80\00:23:30.24
a few years ago.
00:23:30.27\00:23:32.44
Absolutely, in
the very beginning,
00:23:32.47\00:23:33.94
I felt, I have so much I
have to do, because the majority
00:23:33.98\00:23:38.01
of my life, I
never followed God.
00:23:38.05\00:23:39.58
It was always my ways,
and I was always in the world.
00:23:39.61\00:23:42.65
Now I lost all that time,
I got to make it up somehow,
00:23:42.68\00:23:45.62
you know, and it was difficult
00:23:45.65\00:23:47.46
because in the beginning,
I was so much studying.
00:23:47.49\00:23:51.56
I was so much into the Word
just trying to learn everything
00:23:51.59\00:23:53.96
that I could and doing
extra Bible studies and,
00:23:54.00\00:23:57.23
you know, calling
people, asking questions.
00:23:57.27\00:23:58.97
My entire life and
day became consumed
00:23:59.00\00:24:02.70
with trying to make up
with all that lost time,
00:24:02.74\00:24:05.01
because I got to do
this, I got to do that.
00:24:05.04\00:24:07.18
And I started leaving,
you know, my family out of it.
00:24:07.21\00:24:10.68
You know and, you
know, and almost pushing some
00:24:10.71\00:24:13.31
of my responsibilities
aside, because, again,
00:24:13.35\00:24:16.58
I've got all this work
that I have to do to make up
00:24:16.62\00:24:19.25
for the 39 years that I lost,
where I wasn't with Christ.
00:24:19.29\00:24:23.02
And it's, it actually
makes me think of Exodus,
00:24:23.06\00:24:27.03
I think in Chapter 19, you know,
00:24:27.06\00:24:29.10
when Moses comes
down from Mount Sinai,
00:24:29.13\00:24:31.43
and he presents
everything that the Lord
00:24:31.47\00:24:32.80
commanded him and, you know,
what is it His children say,
00:24:32.83\00:24:36.67
God's children say, you know,
everything you have told us,
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.91
this we will do, you
know, so you're starting to rely
00:24:38.94\00:24:42.34
so much on yourself.
00:24:42.38\00:24:43.75
Oh, there we go.
00:24:43.78\00:24:45.55
And we all know that,
that's never gonna work out,
00:24:45.58\00:24:48.08
you know?
00:24:48.12\00:24:49.45
It's only going to
take you so far and you
00:24:49.48\00:24:50.82
mentioned earlier
hitting that wall,
00:24:50.85\00:24:52.55
you know, and you're
going to hit that same thing
00:24:52.59\00:24:54.86
if you keep trying to
do these works on your own.
00:24:54.89\00:24:57.63
That's so
beautiful to put, Brother.
00:24:57.66\00:24:59.06
So take us to John 6
here. Let me set this up.
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So John 6:26-30,
Jesus has just fed the 5000.
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And, you know, He gets in
a boat with His disciples,
00:25:06.20\00:25:09.40
and they go across
the Sea of Galilee,
00:25:09.44\00:25:11.14
they're going on
the other side now.
00:25:11.17\00:25:13.04
But the people, of
course, that saw this happen,
00:25:13.07\00:25:15.91
they saw the miracles,
they saw all the, you know,
00:25:15.94\00:25:17.98
the good stuff
that Jesus is done.
00:25:18.01\00:25:19.35
Now, they're intrigued.
00:25:19.38\00:25:20.72
And so, a large
multitude of them,
00:25:20.75\00:25:22.38
they walked
across around the river,
00:25:22.42\00:25:24.45
around the lake or
the sea in this case,
00:25:24.49\00:25:27.06
and they thought they
meet Him on the other side.
00:25:27.09\00:25:29.99
And so now Jesus is
having a run in with some
00:25:30.03\00:25:32.19
of these people who have
kind of become spectators,
00:25:32.23\00:25:35.06
fans of Jesus.
00:25:35.10\00:25:36.50
And so, let's
start reading there.
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Go ahead, Brother
Ian, in John Chapter 6,
00:25:38.33\00:25:41.04
beginning with verse 26 to 30.
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All right.
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Starting with verse 26,
"Jesus answered them and said,
00:25:44.24\00:25:46.78
'Most assuredly, I
say to you, you seek Me,
00:25:46.81\00:25:49.78
not because you saw the
signs, but because you ate
00:25:49.81\00:25:52.51
of the loaves and were filled.
00:25:52.55\00:25:54.58
Do not labor for
the food which perishes,
00:25:54.62\00:25:57.22
but for the food which
endures to everlasting life,
00:25:57.25\00:26:00.86
which the Son of
Man will give you,
00:26:00.89\00:26:02.96
because God the Father
has set His seal on Him.'
00:26:02.99\00:26:06.70
Then they said to Him,
00:26:06.73\00:26:08.06
'What shall we do, that we
may work the works of God?'
00:26:08.10\00:26:11.87
Jesus answered and said to them,
00:26:11.90\00:26:13.90
'This is the work of
God, that you believe in Him
00:26:13.94\00:26:17.11
whom He sent.'
00:26:17.14\00:26:18.81
Therefore they said to Him,
00:26:18.84\00:26:20.21
'What sign will You
perform then, that we may see it
00:26:20.24\00:26:23.81
and believe You?
00:26:23.85\00:26:25.18
What work will You do?'"
00:26:25.21\00:26:28.18
So there's kind of
a twofold aspect here.
00:26:28.22\00:26:30.62
And it's quite interesting,
00:26:30.65\00:26:32.09
that they're looking for Christ,
00:26:32.12\00:26:34.32
almost as if they
need Him to do something.
00:26:34.36\00:26:37.63
Extra grace plus
kind of that concept
00:26:37.66\00:26:41.06
of something
extra, so they can submit,
00:26:41.10\00:26:42.63
is this really the Messiah?
00:26:42.66\00:26:44.33
Is this really
who He says He is?
00:26:44.37\00:26:45.93
But then at the
same time, they say, "Oh,
00:26:45.97\00:26:47.37
we want to work
these works too."
00:26:47.40\00:26:49.54
So what must we do?
00:26:49.57\00:26:50.97
There's that
question, what shall we do?
00:26:51.01\00:26:53.21
And I love
Christ's response here,
00:26:53.24\00:26:54.91
it kind of goes
back to our point,
00:26:54.94\00:26:56.28
our main point of
this section of the study,
00:26:56.31\00:26:58.38
which is they...
00:26:58.41\00:26:59.75
Jesus responds and says,
00:26:59.78\00:27:01.28
"This is the work of
God that you believe in Him
00:27:01.32\00:27:04.92
whom He sent."
00:27:04.95\00:27:07.39
Is it that simple?
00:27:07.42\00:27:09.92
Absolutely. Right.
00:27:09.96\00:27:11.93
It is, it really is.
00:27:11.96\00:27:13.29
When it comes down to
it, it's just that simple.
00:27:13.33\00:27:15.16
It's that simple.
00:27:15.20\00:27:16.53
It's based on what Shelley
was talking about earlier,
00:27:16.56\00:27:18.73
that, you know, oftentimes
when people read that, Shelley,
00:27:18.77\00:27:21.14
they think, just this
mental acceptance, like oh,
00:27:21.17\00:27:24.51
Jesus died on the
cross for my sins.
00:27:24.54\00:27:27.31
I accept that.
00:27:27.34\00:27:28.68
I'm saved, I'm a believer now.
00:27:28.71\00:27:30.81
But yet we know
that believing in Him
00:27:30.85\00:27:32.91
is going to require a response,
00:27:32.95\00:27:35.98
not a works
approach to gain salvation,
00:27:36.02\00:27:39.09
but a natural response,
00:27:39.12\00:27:40.46
which we're going to
get to in just a moment.
00:27:40.49\00:27:41.82
But, Brother JD, there's a quote
00:27:41.86\00:27:44.43
here from Desire
of Ages, page 35.
00:27:44.46\00:27:47.03
I want you to read
that and then let's discuss
00:27:47.06\00:27:49.36
what she says here.
00:27:49.40\00:27:50.73
This is Desire of Ages, page 35.
00:27:50.77\00:27:53.47
It's going to be at the
bottom of the second page there.
00:27:53.50\00:27:58.07
Desire of Ages, page
35, read that for us,
00:27:58.11\00:28:00.61
and then we'll
discuss the contents of it.
00:28:00.64\00:28:03.18
"Through heathenism,
00:28:03.21\00:28:05.01
Satan had for ages turned men
00:28:05.05\00:28:06.82
away from God, but he won
his great triumph in perverting
00:28:06.85\00:28:11.29
the faith of Israel.
00:28:11.32\00:28:12.99
By contemplating and worshiping
their own conceptions,
00:28:13.02\00:28:16.42
the heathen had
lost a knowledge of God,
00:28:16.46\00:28:19.06
and had become
more and more corrupt.
00:28:19.09\00:28:21.30
So it was with Israel.
00:28:21.33\00:28:23.13
The principle that man can
save himself by his own works
00:28:23.16\00:28:26.87
lay at the foundation
of every heathen religion,
00:28:26.90\00:28:30.84
it had now become the principle
of the Jewish religion.
00:28:30.87\00:28:34.21
Satan had
implanted this principle.
00:28:34.24\00:28:36.75
Wherever it is held,
00:28:36.78\00:28:38.31
men have no
barrier against sin."
00:28:38.35\00:28:44.09
Amen.
00:28:44.12\00:28:45.45
So what do you
guys think about that?
00:28:45.49\00:28:46.82
Any thoughts?
00:28:46.86\00:28:49.29
No, I don't know
where I'm fitting into this.
00:28:49.32\00:28:54.43
I grew up in our church. Okay.
00:28:54.46\00:28:58.00
Went to our schools.
00:28:58.03\00:29:00.74
Someplace along the line,
00:29:00.77\00:29:03.44
I guess I inhaled
00:29:03.47\00:29:06.34
a dinner that I
accepted that because we were
00:29:06.37\00:29:10.25
peculiar people,
00:29:10.28\00:29:12.58
everything was going to be cool.
00:29:12.61\00:29:14.98
Everything you
touch turns to gold.
00:29:15.02\00:29:18.82
Okay? Okay. All right.
00:29:18.85\00:29:21.92
You get out in the real world.
00:29:21.96\00:29:25.29
You're touching everything,
but nothing's turning to gold.
00:29:25.33\00:29:29.16
You're praying, but I don't know
00:29:29.20\00:29:31.87
if you didn't
have the full picture
00:29:31.90\00:29:33.80
when we're talking
about faith and works.
00:29:33.84\00:29:35.80
Okay.
00:29:35.84\00:29:37.47
So I don't know
whether I had more faith
00:29:37.51\00:29:43.04
and no works
because of expectations.
00:29:43.08\00:29:45.45
Okay. Okay? All right.
00:29:45.48\00:29:47.25
So, you go along,
and you find out that you
00:29:47.28\00:29:51.15
just keep coming to dead end.
00:29:51.19\00:29:52.99
Okay. Something was missing.
00:29:53.02\00:29:56.22
Maybe I had too much
faith. I prayed daily.
00:29:56.26\00:30:00.60
Don't know what
kind of expectation
00:30:00.63\00:30:02.06
because I thought
it'd just be a gift.
00:30:02.10\00:30:03.70
Right.
00:30:03.73\00:30:05.07
But then, you know,
as you start maturing,
00:30:05.10\00:30:08.20
and you start praying,
and then I was fortunate
00:30:08.24\00:30:10.44
enough to have a godly
woman come into my life.
00:30:10.47\00:30:13.94
Okay. That I began to...
00:30:13.98\00:30:15.98
I began to learn
that he takes both.
00:30:16.01\00:30:18.31
Okay. So there is the balance
that we're talking about here.
00:30:18.35\00:30:21.48
Okay. There's, I love
that word you used, balance.
00:30:21.52\00:30:24.09
There's a balance, too.
00:30:24.12\00:30:25.79
And some people have struggled
with that balance, Shelley.
00:30:25.82\00:30:28.82
They struggle with the balance
of what does it mean to be...
00:30:28.86\00:30:32.76
We often hear it when,
in fact, let's go there.
00:30:32.79\00:30:34.86
Let's go to Ephesians 2. Amen.
00:30:34.90\00:30:36.83
Let's talk about
what I would call
00:30:36.87\00:30:38.23
the synopsis of the gospel.
00:30:38.27\00:30:39.73
Amen.
00:30:39.77\00:30:41.10
This is kind of the epicenter
of what it means to be saved.
00:30:41.14\00:30:44.61
How are we saved, right? Amen.
00:30:44.64\00:30:46.88
And when you read this text,
00:30:46.91\00:30:48.48
often, you know, we
read verses 8 and 9,
00:30:48.51\00:30:50.71
those are the two famous
verses of Ephesians Chapter 2.
00:30:50.75\00:30:54.78
And we're going to read those,
00:30:54.82\00:30:56.15
but I want to
start up at verse 4.
00:30:56.18\00:30:58.19
And I'm going
to read these here.
00:30:58.22\00:30:59.55
So verse of Ephesians Chapter
2, I'm gonna start at verse 4.
00:30:59.59\00:31:02.42
We're gonna make our
way down to verses 8 and 9,
00:31:02.46\00:31:04.69
which are kind of
the capstone verses,
00:31:04.73\00:31:07.33
but then we're not
going to leave out verse 10,
00:31:07.36\00:31:09.60
because verse 10,
00:31:09.63\00:31:10.97
you should have to
have it in there, right?
00:31:11.00\00:31:12.73
So those, we're starting with
verse 4 of Ephesians Chapter 2,
00:31:12.77\00:31:15.84
based on what JD just said,
00:31:15.87\00:31:18.21
let's kind of make
sense of this balance now.
00:31:18.24\00:31:21.98
It says, "But God,
who is rich in mercy,
00:31:22.01\00:31:24.98
because of His great
love with which He loved us,
00:31:25.01\00:31:28.95
even when we were
dead in trespasses,
00:31:28.98\00:31:33.29
made us alive
together with Christ,
00:31:33.32\00:31:36.46
by grace you have been saved,
00:31:36.49\00:31:39.06
and raised us up
together, and made us sit
00:31:39.09\00:31:42.06
together in the
heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
00:31:42.10\00:31:47.27
that in the ages
to come He might show
00:31:47.30\00:31:49.67
the exceeding riches of
His grace in His kindness
00:31:49.70\00:31:54.08
toward us in Christ Jesus."
00:31:54.11\00:31:56.31
I love how this in Christ Jesus,
00:31:56.34\00:31:58.28
in Christ Jesus, but here
comes verse 8 and 9, okay?
00:31:58.31\00:32:01.42
You've probably
heard it a million times.
00:32:01.45\00:32:03.22
Or maybe you're
watching for the first time,
00:32:03.25\00:32:04.65
you've never heard this text.
00:32:04.69\00:32:06.19
Here it is, the synopsis
of the gospel right here.
00:32:06.22\00:32:09.42
"For by grace you have
been saved through faith,"
00:32:09.46\00:32:14.26
okay, "and not of yourselves,
00:32:14.30\00:32:18.70
it is the gift of
God, not of works,
00:32:18.73\00:32:22.84
lest anyone should boast."
00:32:22.87\00:32:24.87
Now many people's
gonna stop right there.
00:32:24.91\00:32:27.18
You know, I've heard
this verse quoted all my life,
00:32:27.21\00:32:29.04
verse 8 and 9,
Ephesians Chapter 2,
00:32:29.08\00:32:31.41
"For you've been, you're
saved by grace through faith,
00:32:31.45\00:32:34.08
not of yourselves,
it's a gift of God,
00:32:34.12\00:32:36.85
not of works, lest
anyone should boast."
00:32:36.89\00:32:42.26
What does that saying,
Shelley, just those two verses?
00:32:42.29\00:32:44.53
We haven't
tacked on verse 10 yet,
00:32:44.56\00:32:46.26
but what is verse 8
and 9 telling us here?
00:32:46.29\00:32:48.40
Salvation is a
gift, and there's nothing
00:32:48.43\00:32:50.43
you can do to earn it.
00:32:50.47\00:32:52.07
Okay? It's very difficult for...
00:32:52.10\00:32:56.10
You know, I grew up in
very dysfunctional environment.
00:32:56.14\00:32:59.87
I was very independent,
00:32:59.91\00:33:01.24
and I always got
patted on the back for being
00:33:01.28\00:33:03.41
very independent.
00:33:03.45\00:33:05.75
And, boy, I'll tell you,
it's hard to accept that and,
00:33:05.78\00:33:11.55
you know, in the church today,
00:33:11.59\00:33:14.69
it isn't grace plus
vegetarian or vegan diet.
00:33:14.72\00:33:20.23
It isn't grace plus
00:33:20.26\00:33:23.73
anything that we can do.
00:33:23.77\00:33:26.33
But there's more as
you said to the story,
00:33:26.37\00:33:30.71
because if you stop
here, remember there was
00:33:30.74\00:33:34.21
no punctuation or
verse differentiation.
00:33:34.24\00:33:38.71
So we have been saved by
grace, it is a gift from God,
00:33:38.75\00:33:42.48
and it took me
studying through the covenants
00:33:42.52\00:33:46.55
is when I finally
understood what this means.
00:33:46.59\00:33:50.33
And it's so powerful.
00:33:50.36\00:33:52.36
But can I read verse
10? Yeah. No, absolutely.
00:33:52.39\00:33:54.70
So we're saved by grace
through faith, it's a gift.
00:33:54.73\00:33:59.80
Nobody can boast
about their salvation.
00:33:59.83\00:34:02.40
I know you want to.
00:34:02.44\00:34:03.77
I know you want to say,
00:34:03.81\00:34:05.47
oh, I've never
missed Sabbath School.
00:34:05.51\00:34:07.31
I've got the
perfect attendance record.
00:34:07.34\00:34:09.24
I've never done
this. I've never.
00:34:09.28\00:34:11.38
People want, I'm a
third generation Adventist.
00:34:11.41\00:34:14.42
I'm at this, I'm at that.
00:34:14.45\00:34:16.38
Doesn't mean a hill of beans.
00:34:16.42\00:34:18.65
God doesn't have grandchildren,
He's only got children.
00:34:18.69\00:34:21.06
That's right.
00:34:21.09\00:34:22.42
He wants us to come to
Him in total dependence,
00:34:22.46\00:34:27.10
understanding, He will save us
00:34:27.13\00:34:31.30
but then listen to what he says,
00:34:31.33\00:34:33.50
"We are His workmanship,
00:34:33.54\00:34:36.91
created in Christ Jesus."
00:34:36.94\00:34:39.54
I like to say, recreated in
Christ Jesus, for good works.
00:34:39.57\00:34:45.21
So you are recreated in Christ
00:34:45.25\00:34:47.08
when you accept
Christ as your Savior.
00:34:47.12\00:34:50.42
The salvation is a gift.
00:34:50.45\00:34:51.92
There's nothing you
can do to save yourself.
00:34:51.95\00:34:54.92
But we're
created for good works,
00:34:54.96\00:34:58.09
which God prepared beforehand,
00:34:58.13\00:35:02.30
that we should walk in them.
00:35:02.33\00:35:05.73
There's no such thing and
a lot of people practices.
00:35:05.77\00:35:09.64
But people have a
works based faith.
00:35:09.67\00:35:12.97
It's like, as long as I do this,
00:35:13.01\00:35:14.98
as long as I do
that, a works based faith.
00:35:15.01\00:35:18.01
What this says, is
there is a faith based work
00:35:18.05\00:35:23.69
when we receive
Christ as our Savior,
00:35:23.72\00:35:27.92
when He fills us
with the Holy Spirit.
00:35:27.96\00:35:30.83
He promises, Philippians 1:6,
00:35:30.86\00:35:33.86
"I will complete the
good work I began in you."
00:35:33.90\00:35:36.06
But He promises
in Philippians 2:13,
00:35:36.10\00:35:39.00
"That He will work in us to will
00:35:39.03\00:35:44.01
and to do God's good pleasure."
00:35:44.04\00:35:46.21
So what we have to do is yield
and let Him work through us.
00:35:46.24\00:35:51.71
We don't obey to be saved,
00:35:51.75\00:35:55.45
we obey because we are saved,
because God is working in us.
00:35:55.48\00:35:59.75
You know, Jesus didn't obey
God to become the Son of God,
00:35:59.79\00:36:03.46
the covenant Son of God.
00:36:03.49\00:36:05.63
He obeyed because He
was the covenant Son of God.
00:36:05.66\00:36:10.50
So, Brother, JD. I love that.
That was a beautiful, Shelley.
00:36:10.53\00:36:13.13
She's setting us
up for what we're
00:36:13.17\00:36:14.50
about to dive into,
which is really the second part
00:36:14.54\00:36:17.77
of this study, which is,
while we are not saved by works,
00:36:17.81\00:36:21.68
and it's not about what
we do, it is who we know,
00:36:21.71\00:36:25.91
and who we know
changes what we do.
00:36:25.95\00:36:28.88
Let me say that one more time.
00:36:28.92\00:36:30.25
It's not about what
we do, it's who we know,
00:36:30.29\00:36:33.05
and who we know
changes what we do.
00:36:33.09\00:36:36.19
Brother JD, I just have to,
00:36:36.22\00:36:37.56
just gotta get
your thoughts on this.
00:36:37.59\00:36:40.60
We get phone calls all the time.
00:36:40.63\00:36:42.40
I mean, we're in
pastoral department,
00:36:42.43\00:36:44.27
and you probably
more than myself.
00:36:44.30\00:36:47.17
You get a lot of
different phone calls from a lot
00:36:47.20\00:36:49.00
of different people.
00:36:49.04\00:36:50.37
And I know that you
of all people probably
00:36:50.41\00:36:51.74
get to experience
and hear professed
00:36:51.77\00:36:55.11
Christian
ideologies and thoughts
00:36:55.14\00:36:57.68
and ideas pertaining
to this very subject.
00:36:57.71\00:37:00.52
And you have
these, you seems like
00:37:00.55\00:37:01.88
you have these
multiple camps of thought,
00:37:01.92\00:37:04.75
different people on, you know,
00:37:04.79\00:37:07.22
opposite sides of
the spectrum here.
00:37:07.26\00:37:09.36
And it's like, how
do you counsel someone
00:37:09.39\00:37:12.59
who comes to you with this works
00:37:12.63\00:37:14.46
approach mentality
that, you know, you won't,
00:37:14.50\00:37:16.70
you know,
they're not doing this,
00:37:16.73\00:37:18.10
and they're not doing that,
00:37:18.13\00:37:19.47
and they're not
keeping this right.
00:37:19.50\00:37:20.84
And, you know,
they're not, you know,
00:37:20.87\00:37:22.20
they're not eating
this appropriately,
00:37:22.24\00:37:23.57
and they got to
remove this and they got,
00:37:23.61\00:37:25.17
you know, how do
you counsel someone
00:37:25.21\00:37:27.44
who has that
works approach or works
00:37:27.48\00:37:30.85
based approach mentality,
to having a relationship
00:37:30.88\00:37:35.02
or salvation through Christ?
00:37:35.05\00:37:36.38
Well, we basically touched
00:37:36.42\00:37:37.75
on a little bit while ago, is...
00:37:37.79\00:37:40.96
As I've mentioned before,
most people want to be heard.
00:37:40.99\00:37:44.59
So if you will give them the...
00:37:44.63\00:37:47.13
Say if you're fishing, you know,
00:37:47.16\00:37:49.33
and you're throwing
your bait out there,
00:37:49.36\00:37:51.03
sometimes they bite, but
if you pull back real quick,
00:37:51.07\00:37:54.57
you've pulled the
lower out of their mouth.
00:37:54.60\00:37:58.71
Okay.
00:37:58.74\00:38:00.08
But if you'll wait a little bit,
00:38:00.11\00:38:01.44
you know, they'll
take it, they'll run.
00:38:01.48\00:38:02.81
Then so, if you let people
talk it out and everything,
00:38:02.84\00:38:05.15
you begin to get a direction.
00:38:05.18\00:38:06.92
And then I'm a big
proponent of balance.
00:38:06.95\00:38:10.89
And so I think that,
what I really got into looking
00:38:10.92\00:38:14.26
at what you were
saying, to the side whether
00:38:14.29\00:38:17.46
it's mostly works or
whether it's mostly faith,
00:38:17.49\00:38:19.79
bring the balance
into it, and then just see,
00:38:19.83\00:38:22.03
are you just
talking to be heard?
00:38:22.06\00:38:24.67
Do you really do anything?
00:38:24.70\00:38:28.54
So there're the doers,
and there're the hearers.
00:38:28.57\00:38:33.44
Okay.
00:38:33.48\00:38:34.81
Now, let's bring
that back in together now.
00:38:34.84\00:38:38.08
Right.
00:38:38.11\00:38:39.45
So are you a doer
or you just listen,
00:38:39.48\00:38:41.32
and you just talk to be talking?
00:38:41.35\00:38:44.35
Here's your
faith, here's your works,
00:38:44.39\00:38:45.82
who are you?
00:38:45.85\00:38:47.19
And then I just
kind of go from there.
00:38:47.22\00:38:48.99
But what I'm looking
for is just the balance.
00:38:49.02\00:38:50.96
That's right.
00:38:50.99\00:38:52.33
Because once you find
out that they're balanced,
00:38:52.36\00:38:53.86
and they're really hungry,
00:38:53.90\00:38:55.23
and they're
looking for direction.
00:38:55.26\00:38:56.60
That's right.
00:38:56.63\00:38:57.97
Well, then, you
know, you perhaps getting.
00:38:58.00\00:38:59.33
Because it goes in like a hand
in a glove, they fit together.
00:38:59.37\00:39:01.20
You can't separate
one from the other.
00:39:01.24\00:39:03.34
You got something you wanna say?
00:39:03.37\00:39:04.71
Yeah, actually.
So we have a story.
00:39:04.74\00:39:08.01
You know, and this is...
00:39:08.04\00:39:09.94
I think this, this will
definitely relate when...
00:39:09.98\00:39:13.38
Right when I decided to
give my heart to the Lord.
00:39:13.42\00:39:16.82
And I mean within, I
think it was two days,
00:39:16.85\00:39:19.25
and I was serving in
the army at the time.
00:39:19.29\00:39:21.92
Within two days of me
dedicating my life to God,
00:39:21.96\00:39:24.89
I received
orders to go to Texas,
00:39:24.93\00:39:26.53
and they asked me to
be there within 90 days,
00:39:26.56\00:39:29.10
which isn't necessarily
unheard of, but it was uncommon
00:39:29.13\00:39:31.77
with what I've dealt with.
00:39:31.80\00:39:33.84
And so here we are, and,
you know, thinking, okay,
00:39:33.87\00:39:37.34
we're starting to get
everything planned out.
00:39:37.37\00:39:39.54
And all of a sudden,
now, I get these orders,
00:39:39.57\00:39:42.54
and we're thinking now,
you know, what are we...
00:39:42.58\00:39:45.68
What is it that we do now?
00:39:45.71\00:39:48.08
Am I supposed to
stay in the army?
00:39:48.12\00:39:49.88
Am I supposed to, you
know, what is it that God wants?
00:39:49.92\00:39:53.15
In that whole journey
of trying to figure out
00:39:53.19\00:39:55.36
if I'm supposed
to stay in the army,
00:39:55.39\00:39:57.46
and or we're supposed to
get out because this was,
00:39:57.49\00:40:00.40
being in the
military is definitely it's,
00:40:00.43\00:40:02.50
it's a package deal, you know?
00:40:02.53\00:40:04.17
She has to be
invested just as much
00:40:04.20\00:40:07.04
as I do because of the amount
of time I have to spend away,
00:40:07.07\00:40:10.04
and the
difficulties that come with it.
00:40:10.07\00:40:12.01
And I mean, I'm sure you can,
00:40:12.04\00:40:14.11
you know, if you want to
talk about more on that, but...
00:40:14.14\00:40:17.91
Look, you're like no, no.
00:40:17.95\00:40:20.18
You really fond with each other.
00:40:20.22\00:40:22.38
We had to rely so much
on Christ in that moment,
00:40:22.42\00:40:26.52
because... A lot of prayer.
00:40:26.55\00:40:28.42
It was a lot of prayer
and a lot of sleepless nights.
00:40:28.46\00:40:30.86
And she can even attest that.
00:40:30.89\00:40:33.19
I was not sleeping
much because this was,
00:40:33.23\00:40:34.80
we were giving up
everything in that moment.
00:40:34.83\00:40:37.43
It was the comfort of,
00:40:37.47\00:40:39.73
you know, I'm going
to get a steady paycheck,
00:40:39.77\00:40:42.04
you know, the comfort
that all my family's taken care
00:40:42.07\00:40:44.97
of medically, you know?
00:40:45.01\00:40:46.54
They could go to the emergency
room, and we're covered,
00:40:46.57\00:40:49.64
you know, we don't
have to worry about it.
00:40:49.68\00:40:51.11
And now it's, what's going on.
00:40:51.15\00:40:53.78
But, Angela, I would imagine
that you were really torn,
00:40:53.82\00:40:58.75
because it's like, you
don't want your husband away.
00:40:58.79\00:41:01.69
There's things you
didn't like about the military.
00:41:01.72\00:41:04.46
How did you...
00:41:04.49\00:41:05.83
I mean, how did you pray
to receive God's will on this?
00:41:05.86\00:41:09.90
Well, the military
was very comfortable,
00:41:09.93\00:41:12.33
so we were happy
to be in the military.
00:41:12.37\00:41:14.64
And that's what we got
used to for almost 12 years.
00:41:14.67\00:41:17.41
So to do something different
00:41:17.44\00:41:19.57
was really
stepping out in faith.
00:41:19.61\00:41:22.34
And then I have this
husband that I'm like,
00:41:22.38\00:41:24.31
always praying
for, for over 11 years.
00:41:24.35\00:41:27.32
And I'm like, "Oh,
this is what I want."
00:41:27.35\00:41:28.98
But then he's like, "I
want to serve the Lord.
00:41:29.02\00:41:30.85
I don't know what to do."
00:41:30.89\00:41:32.22
And I'm like, "What do you mean,
00:41:32.25\00:41:33.89
you won't go to military,
00:41:33.92\00:41:35.26
and why we're
not going to Texas?"
00:41:35.29\00:41:36.93
And he's like, "Well, I want to
do what the Lord wants to do."
00:41:36.96\00:41:39.83
So I was like, "I have
faith, you know, I got this,
00:41:39.86\00:41:42.63
you know, God's gonna lead us."
00:41:42.66\00:41:44.17
But when you're
really in the storm,
00:41:44.20\00:41:46.23
and you really have
to depend on God, 100%,
00:41:46.27\00:41:49.04
that's when your faith
and your love for God is real.
00:41:49.07\00:41:53.01
And that's when you
have to really cling to Him.
00:41:53.04\00:41:55.78
And we're on our
hands and knees a lot.
00:41:55.81\00:41:58.78
It's just praying and
praying for God's will
00:41:58.81\00:42:01.48
and not our will.
00:42:01.52\00:42:02.85
And God really seen our spirit,
He really did. Absolutely.
00:42:02.88\00:42:06.96
I mean, we could have gotten
away so many times with that.
00:42:06.99\00:42:10.16
But here's, here's what I
think is really good advice,
00:42:10.19\00:42:14.36
not just for
us, but for anybody.
00:42:14.40\00:42:16.63
The reason why I came to
the decision of getting out
00:42:16.67\00:42:19.40
of the military wasn't
being, you know, necessarily,
00:42:19.43\00:42:22.60
I wanted to do
something for the Lord.
00:42:22.64\00:42:25.24
In that moment, it was, how
am I going to grow in Christ.
00:42:25.27\00:42:28.84
And I think the Lord
00:42:28.88\00:42:30.68
left me to make
that decision to get out,
00:42:30.71\00:42:33.98
because it was I had,
00:42:34.02\00:42:37.12
I had this church
family that I had developed,
00:42:37.15\00:42:40.19
they were, you know,
they've started to guide me
00:42:40.22\00:42:42.59
and lead me in this journey.
00:42:42.62\00:42:44.43
And all of a sudden, now
I have to go somewhere else.
00:42:44.46\00:42:47.00
So am I going to take those,
00:42:47.03\00:42:49.33
you know, stay with those saving
00:42:49.36\00:42:50.70
comforts that
came with the military?
00:42:50.73\00:42:53.23
Or am I going to
rely on my God to get me
00:42:53.27\00:42:57.51
through the rest of the way.
00:42:57.54\00:42:58.87
So I made, I made a
decision through Christ,
00:42:58.91\00:43:01.84
I know He
impressed me to do it was
00:43:01.88\00:43:04.58
if you really want to
have that experience with Me,
00:43:04.61\00:43:07.75
if you really want
to have that trust,
00:43:07.78\00:43:09.65
and that belief in Me, you need
to make that decision to get
00:43:09.68\00:43:14.26
out of everything that
you're comfortable with.
00:43:14.29\00:43:16.83
Right.
00:43:16.86\00:43:18.19
And you need to step
out in faith with me.
00:43:18.23\00:43:19.63
And I said, "Okay."
00:43:19.66\00:43:21.13
You know, and I
remember looking at Angela,
00:43:21.16\00:43:22.76
we were at church, and we
saw our church family around,
00:43:22.80\00:43:26.10
I think it was
during Christmas time.
00:43:26.13\00:43:27.97
And they were you
know, we're just doing
00:43:28.00\00:43:29.34
gingerbread houses and things
like that as a church family.
00:43:29.37\00:43:31.57
And I just said, "This is it.
00:43:31.61\00:43:33.31
This is where we're gonna grow,
00:43:33.34\00:43:35.64
where I'm going
to grow in Christ."
00:43:35.68\00:43:37.58
So this actually sets us up
00:43:37.61\00:43:39.35
perfect for the
next section of this.
00:43:39.38\00:43:42.08
I'm glad you're told that.
00:43:42.12\00:43:43.45
So what's interesting
though is, this is the aftermath
00:43:43.49\00:43:47.09
of you accepting Christ.
00:43:47.12\00:43:50.06
When you came to
Christ, in your mind,
00:43:50.09\00:43:53.09
you're not
thinking necessarily about
00:43:53.13\00:43:54.86
what you can do, but rather
what Christ has done for you.
00:43:54.90\00:43:58.87
And that's the point we're
getting it in this previous
00:43:58.90\00:44:01.30
section we just came
out of is that again,
00:44:01.34\00:44:03.30
it's not about
when coming to Christ,
00:44:03.34\00:44:05.34
you're being saved
by grace through faith.
00:44:05.37\00:44:08.74
It's not what you have
done, but what Christ has done,
00:44:08.78\00:44:11.51
and salvation
doesn't come because,
00:44:11.55\00:44:13.25
you know, you did all of
these extracurricular things
00:44:13.28\00:44:16.08
that somehow God was like,
00:44:16.12\00:44:17.45
oh, let me count
it all up, 1, 2, 3.
00:44:17.49\00:44:18.82
Oh, he meets
the criteria, saved.
00:44:18.85\00:44:21.62
You come to Christ in based on
the faith that you had in Him,
00:44:21.66\00:44:25.39
because of what
He's done for you.
00:44:25.43\00:44:27.33
But because of His grace,
00:44:27.36\00:44:29.36
because of the love
that He's bestowed upon you.
00:44:29.40\00:44:32.33
Notice, again,
00:44:32.37\00:44:33.70
you said this was
just a few days after...
00:44:33.74\00:44:35.74
It was.
00:44:35.77\00:44:37.11
Okay, so now a few days
after, what was his question?
00:44:37.14\00:44:39.91
Now, what can I do?
00:44:39.94\00:44:41.71
It wasn't what
can I do to be saved?
00:44:41.74\00:44:43.65
But it was now that I'm saved,
Lord, what can I do for You.
00:44:43.68\00:44:47.08
There was a hungering
and thirsting in your heart
00:44:47.12\00:44:49.22
and mind that was based on
love and compassion from Christ.
00:44:49.25\00:44:53.29
Now God has saved me.
00:44:53.32\00:44:54.76
God has poured
out His grace upon me.
00:44:54.79\00:44:56.62
Now comes the works. Okay.
00:44:56.66\00:45:00.26
So now let's go
to James Chapter 2.
00:45:00.30\00:45:01.66
This is where, so we know
that based on Ephesians 2:8-9,
00:45:01.70\00:45:05.43
we are saved by
grace through faith.
00:45:05.47\00:45:07.44
You know, Christ
stamps his beautiful stamp
00:45:07.47\00:45:10.44
of justification upon our life
when we come to Him by faith.
00:45:10.47\00:45:14.11
We surrender to Him.
00:45:14.14\00:45:15.48
We've confessed our sins.
We've repented of our sins.
00:45:15.51\00:45:18.41
Now we've come to Him.
00:45:18.45\00:45:19.78
And we've accepted
Him genuinely by the...
00:45:19.81\00:45:22.78
By His shed blood and
the sacrifice He has done,
00:45:22.82\00:45:26.45
He's completed the work.
00:45:26.49\00:45:28.12
Forgiveness has now paved
the avenue for us to now have
00:45:28.16\00:45:32.19
a follow up experience with Him,
00:45:32.23\00:45:34.36
since He has saved us.
00:45:34.40\00:45:36.00
But a lot of people's
gospel experience stops there.
00:45:36.03\00:45:38.70
It's, oh, I'm saved.
00:45:38.73\00:45:40.07
You know, back here in
19, whatever, as you know,
00:45:40.10\00:45:42.44
and I'm not again trying,
not trying to be judgmental
00:45:42.47\00:45:44.07
or critical, but
just, you know, as the music
00:45:44.11\00:45:45.57
is playing in the background,
00:45:45.61\00:45:46.94
and you may be in the big
stadium or in the big church,
00:45:46.98\00:45:48.94
wherever you're
at, and you walk down,
00:45:48.98\00:45:50.38
and you repeat the
words of the pastor,
00:45:50.41\00:45:51.91
you know, I'm a sinner,
you know, I accept your grace,
00:45:51.95\00:45:54.05
blah, blah, blah, now
you're saved forevermore.
00:45:54.08\00:45:57.29
And a lot of people's
experience stops there.
00:45:57.32\00:45:59.65
But your
experience wasn't like that.
00:45:59.69\00:46:01.72
There was a
hungering and thirsting,
00:46:01.76\00:46:03.09
there was a drive now
based on the experience
00:46:03.12\00:46:05.99
you've had with
Jesus, then now Lord,
00:46:06.03\00:46:08.56
I'm not satisfied to
just sit on the sidelines
00:46:08.60\00:46:11.30
and cherish You on
from the sidelines.
00:46:11.33\00:46:13.27
I'm not, I don't
want to be a spectator.
00:46:13.30\00:46:14.70
I want to be in the game.
00:46:14.74\00:46:16.30
And now here
comes the works aspect.
00:46:16.34\00:46:18.71
And that's what James
is talking about in James
00:46:18.74\00:46:20.81
Chapter 2, when he's
putting into proper perspective,
00:46:20.84\00:46:23.65
as JD said earlier,
the balance, the balance.
00:46:23.68\00:46:26.88
Brother JD, why
don't you read for us,
00:46:26.92\00:46:28.68
James 2:14-18?
00:46:28.72\00:46:32.92
And then I'm going to have
you to tack on verse 26 as well.
00:46:32.95\00:46:35.59
So 14 through 18,
and then verse 26?
00:46:35.62\00:46:38.26
Okay.
00:46:38.29\00:46:39.63
"What does it
profit, my brethren,
00:46:39.66\00:46:41.83
if someone says he has
faith but does not have works?
00:46:41.86\00:46:45.83
Can faith save him?
00:46:45.87\00:46:47.60
If a brother or sister is naked
and destitute of daily food,
00:46:47.64\00:46:51.11
and one of you say to
them, 'Depart in peace,
00:46:51.14\00:46:53.34
be warmed and filled,'
but do you not give them
00:46:53.38\00:46:56.18
the things which
are needed for the body,
00:46:56.21\00:46:58.35
what does it profit?
00:46:58.38\00:47:00.15
Thus also faith by itself,
00:47:00.18\00:47:02.48
if it does not
have works, is dead.
00:47:02.52\00:47:06.05
But someone will say,
00:47:06.09\00:47:07.59
'You have faith,
and I have works.'
00:47:07.62\00:47:09.62
Show me your faith
without your works,
00:47:09.66\00:47:11.46
and I will show you
my faith by my works."
00:47:11.49\00:47:13.93
Verse 26 now.
00:47:13.96\00:47:15.30
"For as the body
without the spirit is dead,
00:47:15.33\00:47:18.50
so faith without
works is dead also."
00:47:18.53\00:47:22.04
Okay, so what
is it saying to us?
00:47:22.07\00:47:24.07
It's saying that got
to connect those two.
00:47:24.11\00:47:27.14
That's right.
00:47:27.18\00:47:28.51
In this particular
situation right here,
00:47:28.54\00:47:30.31
what you, you,
you're right here,
00:47:30.35\00:47:34.42
you got the faith aspect down.
00:47:34.45\00:47:36.38
Now you need to
take a step of action.
00:47:36.42\00:47:38.29
Okay. All right.
00:47:38.32\00:47:39.65
And that step of
action is the beginning
00:47:39.69\00:47:41.86
of another chapter in your life.
00:47:41.89\00:47:43.99
And, boy, does
God show up. Oh, man.
00:47:44.03\00:47:47.56
My goodness, because He
always had a plan for you.
00:47:47.60\00:47:53.27
So we didn't know that.
00:47:53.30\00:47:54.90
We've been praying
for that our whole life.
00:47:54.94\00:47:56.54
Lord, I know You
have a plan for me.
00:47:56.57\00:47:58.11
Right.
00:47:58.14\00:47:59.47
But all of a sudden,
how does the faith come in?
00:47:59.51\00:48:03.48
Right. Now we've
got a question mark.
00:48:03.51\00:48:05.31
So I mean, boy, this is a...
00:48:05.35\00:48:06.68
This is really
kind of interesting,
00:48:06.72\00:48:08.28
you know, in the
scales of our eternal life.
00:48:08.32\00:48:11.92
That's true. But,
boy, put them together.
00:48:11.95\00:48:14.12
This thought, I don't
know if I can articulate it,
00:48:14.16\00:48:16.26
but it just hit me
when you were talking
00:48:16.29\00:48:17.76
about somebody at a
stadium and they accept Christ
00:48:17.79\00:48:20.50
and they think that's it.
00:48:20.53\00:48:22.50
They think they're born again.
00:48:22.53\00:48:24.63
But they're still born. Right.
00:48:24.67\00:48:28.84
It's, it's... Nice.
00:48:28.87\00:48:30.97
That's deep.
00:48:31.01\00:48:32.34
Yeah, it's
something that if we are born
00:48:32.37\00:48:35.64
again a child,
00:48:35.68\00:48:37.28
and we have the
nature of Christ,
00:48:37.31\00:48:40.58
we've been given His nature
or to walk in His footsteps.
00:48:40.62\00:48:45.39
He's going to raise, rear
us up as you would raise up
00:48:45.42\00:48:49.79
the child in the
way they should go.
00:48:49.82\00:48:52.29
And He puts His Spirit in us
00:48:52.33\00:48:56.67
and asks us to
come and follow Him
00:48:56.70\00:49:00.64
and we walk in
obedience, we want to do.
00:49:00.67\00:49:04.01
So that really equated, I
didn't know if I were to say.
00:49:04.04\00:49:08.18
No, that's beautiful.
00:49:08.21\00:49:09.54
No, I mean, that fits perfectly,
00:49:09.58\00:49:11.95
because if you're
truly born again in Christ,
00:49:11.98\00:49:15.48
then you've
experienced, and I don't know
00:49:15.52\00:49:17.29
why this is popping
into my mind right now,
00:49:17.32\00:49:19.02
but you're going to have
that experience that the two
00:49:19.05\00:49:22.12
disciples had on
the road to Emmaus,
00:49:22.16\00:49:23.99
when they had that
experience with Christ.
00:49:24.03\00:49:25.83
He said their
heartburn within them.
00:49:25.86\00:49:27.76
You can experience heartburn.
00:49:27.80\00:49:29.23
And when you
experience heartburn,
00:49:29.26\00:49:30.63
you can't help
but, it's not, you know,
00:49:30.67\00:49:32.83
you're not in a
comfortable just let me sit
00:49:32.87\00:49:35.14
and be still, you
know, mentality or,
00:49:35.17\00:49:37.74
you know, presence.
00:49:37.77\00:49:39.11
You want to get up
and do something, right?
00:49:39.14\00:49:40.94
In this case, we're
talking spiritually.
00:49:40.98\00:49:42.81
If you have truly and genuinely
00:49:42.84\00:49:44.51
and that's the key that
you're speaking of your,
00:49:44.55\00:49:46.45
I believe, Shelley,
is that there's some who,
00:49:46.48\00:49:49.05
in the moment
when the firework shows
00:49:49.08\00:49:51.19
is happening,
00:49:51.22\00:49:52.69
you know, they're
amazed by the fireworks,
00:49:52.72\00:49:54.56
they're amazed by the show.
00:49:54.59\00:49:55.92
But then the
question, what's going to happen
00:49:55.96\00:49:57.29
when the fireworks go out?
00:49:57.33\00:49:58.66
You know, we hope
that the fireworks
00:49:58.69\00:50:00.40
don't go out within us.
00:50:00.43\00:50:01.96
But if, how do you check that?
00:50:02.00\00:50:03.33
How is, how do you
know if your faith,
00:50:03.37\00:50:05.07
if that, that salvation by grace
00:50:05.10\00:50:07.20
through your faith
in Christ is genuine.
00:50:07.24\00:50:10.34
You test it by the fruit that's
going to appear on the tree.
00:50:10.37\00:50:13.27
Amen. Amen.
00:50:13.31\00:50:15.34
I love this,
John 17:3, Jesus says,
00:50:15.38\00:50:18.65
some of the most powerful words
as He's there in the Garden
00:50:18.68\00:50:20.98
of Gethsemane.
00:50:21.02\00:50:22.35
He's hours away, moments away,
00:50:22.38\00:50:23.89
actually, from being arrested
and taken through trial,
00:50:23.92\00:50:27.12
taken and being nailed
to a cross for our sins.
00:50:27.16\00:50:29.59
John 17:3 says, "And
this is eternal life,
00:50:29.62\00:50:32.76
that they may know
You, the only true God,
00:50:32.79\00:50:37.67
and Jesus Christ
whom You have sent."
00:50:37.70\00:50:40.94
So we need to know God.
00:50:40.97\00:50:43.07
Our faith needs to be
genuine enough that we have
00:50:43.10\00:50:45.21
a relationship
with Him like no other.
00:50:45.24\00:50:48.74
But when you couple that
with what He says in Matthew 7.
00:50:48.78\00:50:52.95
This is quite interesting.
00:50:52.98\00:50:54.68
Matthew 7:21-23.
00:50:54.72\00:50:56.95
This is the Sermon on the Mount.
00:50:56.99\00:50:58.45
And He's speaking prophetically
about the last days.
00:50:58.49\00:51:01.29
And notice whom He's describing.
00:51:01.32\00:51:02.66
You know, He's describing
professed Christians here,
00:51:02.69\00:51:05.73
because of the accolades
00:51:05.76\00:51:07.50
and the attributes
that's listed here.
00:51:07.53\00:51:08.96
Notice here, it
says, Jesus is speaking.
00:51:09.00\00:51:11.17
Again, this is Matthew 7:21-23.
00:51:11.20\00:51:13.74
He says, "Not
everyone who says to Me,
00:51:13.77\00:51:15.37
'Lord, Lord,' shall
enter the kingdom of God
00:51:15.40\00:51:18.14
or the kingdom of
heaven, but he who does the will
00:51:18.17\00:51:20.58
of My Father
which is in heaven."
00:51:20.61\00:51:22.54
And then He says in verse 22.
00:51:22.58\00:51:24.58
"Many will say
to Me in that day,
00:51:24.61\00:51:27.52
'Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in Your name.'"
00:51:27.55\00:51:30.75
Who's gonna
prophesy in the name of God?
00:51:30.79\00:51:33.15
Professed Christians.
00:51:33.19\00:51:35.26
"Lord, we cast out
demons in Your name."
00:51:35.29\00:51:37.49
Who's gonna do that?
Professed Christians.
00:51:37.53\00:51:39.89
"And done many
wonders in Your name?"
00:51:39.93\00:51:41.96
Again, professed Christians.
00:51:42.00\00:51:43.53
But then verse 23
really caps it off here.
00:51:43.57\00:51:45.83
"And then I will
declare to them."
00:51:45.87\00:51:48.24
All those people who said,
"Lord, look what I've done.
00:51:48.27\00:51:50.27
I pay my tithe. I do this,
I'm a deacon, I've done this.
00:51:50.31\00:51:52.84
I've done that, I've done this.
00:51:52.87\00:51:54.21
And He says, "I
will declare to them,
00:51:54.24\00:51:56.61
I never knew you."
What did Jesus say?
00:51:56.64\00:52:00.45
This is eternal life
that they may know you.
00:52:00.48\00:52:02.85
Now Jesus is saying
to this group, I'm sorry,
00:52:02.88\00:52:05.25
I never knew you.
00:52:05.29\00:52:06.82
Depart from me, you
who practice lawlessness.
00:52:06.86\00:52:11.16
Now, here's the
point I'm making,
00:52:11.19\00:52:12.53
and then I'm going
to give it up somebody
00:52:12.56\00:52:13.90
else to talk you.
00:52:13.93\00:52:15.86
We are not saved by our works.
00:52:15.90\00:52:19.20
But the Bible says
we're judged by our works.
00:52:19.23\00:52:21.04
Yes.
00:52:21.07\00:52:23.57
We're not saved by our works,
00:52:23.61\00:52:25.27
but we're judged by our works.
00:52:25.31\00:52:26.71
What does Jesus say to all
00:52:26.74\00:52:28.08
of the seven
churches of Asia Minor?
00:52:28.11\00:52:29.61
I know your faith.
00:52:29.64\00:52:31.95
Is that what He says? Faith?
00:52:31.98\00:52:33.31
No, no, no. I know your works.
00:52:33.35\00:52:36.18
Why is He mentioning the works?
00:52:36.22\00:52:39.12
Because the works tell the story
00:52:39.15\00:52:41.86
and the truth of the faith.
00:52:41.89\00:52:43.93
Amen. That's powerful.
00:52:43.96\00:52:46.53
That's powerful.
00:52:46.56\00:52:48.53
I never knew you,
00:52:48.56\00:52:51.77
depart from Me
you who practice what?
00:52:51.80\00:52:53.97
Lawlessness. Lawlessness.
00:52:54.00\00:52:56.07
There's
something about knowing God
00:52:56.10\00:52:59.14
and the law.
00:52:59.17\00:53:00.51
And we find the
answer in 1 John 2:3-6.
00:53:00.54\00:53:03.85
You got that,
Ian, 1 John Chapter 2.
00:53:03.88\00:53:06.05
Let me say
something right quick.
00:53:06.08\00:53:07.42
Yeah, go ahead. That's fine.
00:53:07.45\00:53:08.78
You know, as I
was looking at this,
00:53:08.82\00:53:11.09
where it says, I never knew you.
00:53:11.12\00:53:14.79
In the Greek it was interpreted,
00:53:14.82\00:53:16.76
I never even recognized you.
00:53:16.79\00:53:19.76
It also says that we
never were acquainted.
00:53:19.79\00:53:23.83
So we could have been out
there in the as a spectator,
00:53:23.87\00:53:28.80
but we never got, He never got,
00:53:28.84\00:53:31.24
we never got close the balance,
00:53:31.27\00:53:33.38
never got close enough together.
00:53:33.41\00:53:35.61
Wow. I know Ryan.
00:53:35.64\00:53:38.25
And, boy, you know right quick.
00:53:38.28\00:53:40.32
We have people call
in quite often says,
00:53:40.35\00:53:42.55
"Oh yes, I know JD.
00:53:42.58\00:53:46.12
And now what's your wife's name?
00:53:46.15\00:53:47.49
Let me see, what's her name now?
00:53:47.52\00:53:48.86
Is it Shirley?
00:53:48.89\00:53:50.23
So, you know, do they
watch 3ABN all the time?
00:53:52.89\00:53:55.30
Not really, they
got a friend that do.
00:53:55.33\00:53:57.23
So, you know, that's
kind of one of those things,
00:53:57.27\00:53:59.40
you know.
00:53:59.43\00:54:00.77
Oh yeah, Ryan.
00:54:00.80\00:54:02.14
Sure, we know Ryan
real well, you know.
00:54:02.17\00:54:03.84
Where's Ryan been? I
haven't seen him lately.
00:54:03.87\00:54:05.74
Man, so you
know that they really
00:54:05.77\00:54:07.64
aren't watching you.
00:54:07.68\00:54:09.01
Right. But that's
to me, it grabbed me.
00:54:09.04\00:54:11.21
I never really
never recognized it,
00:54:11.25\00:54:13.92
might have been there
but I never recognized.
00:54:13.95\00:54:15.28
The seed was planted but
there was no root produce.
00:54:15.32\00:54:17.92
Yes, that's
exactly right. You bet.
00:54:17.95\00:54:20.16
Stillborn. Oh, man, Shelley.
00:54:20.19\00:54:22.82
Shelley's dropping
these truth bombs on again.
00:54:22.86\00:54:25.13
Wow!
00:54:25.16\00:54:26.59
Man, okay, so, Ian,
go with 1 John 2:3-6,
00:54:26.63\00:54:30.77
read that, powerful.
00:54:30.80\00:54:32.13
All right.
00:54:32.17\00:54:33.50
"Now by this we
know that we know Him,
00:54:33.54\00:54:35.60
if we keep His commandments.
00:54:35.64\00:54:37.67
He who says, 'I know Him,'
00:54:37.71\00:54:39.04
and does not keep His
commandments, is a liar,
00:54:39.07\00:54:41.38
and the truth is not in him.
00:54:41.41\00:54:43.51
But whoever keeps His word,
00:54:43.55\00:54:45.21
truly the love of
God is perfected in him.
00:54:45.25\00:54:48.08
By this we know
that we are in Him.
00:54:48.12\00:54:51.32
He who says he abides in Him
00:54:51.35\00:54:53.19
ought himself also to
walk just as He walked."
00:54:53.22\00:54:58.49
I love this.
00:54:58.53\00:54:59.86
Talk about that fruit We have
about two and a half minutes
00:54:59.89\00:55:01.60
left in here.
00:55:01.63\00:55:02.96
We got to make this final point.
00:55:03.00\00:55:04.57
To know God means to
be able to show forth
00:55:04.60\00:55:09.30
the fruit that you know Him.
00:55:09.34\00:55:11.17
Somebody takes
me out to, you know,
00:55:11.21\00:55:13.61
a field and points
at a tree and says,
00:55:13.64\00:55:15.14
look at my apple tree
00:55:15.18\00:55:16.81
and it doesn't
have apples on it.
00:55:16.85\00:55:18.48
I'm going to question
00:55:18.51\00:55:19.85
whether or not that's
real apple tree, right?
00:55:19.88\00:55:21.92
Essentially what,
that's what's happening here,
00:55:21.95\00:55:23.59
God's saying, I
know that you're My true
00:55:23.62\00:55:25.85
genuine son or daughter.
00:55:25.89\00:55:28.32
If you're producing
the fruit, from the genuine
00:55:28.36\00:55:31.93
faith that you have in Me.
00:55:31.96\00:55:33.29
If your faith is
genuine, then that genuine faith
00:55:33.33\00:55:35.10
is going to produce fruit.
00:55:35.13\00:55:37.27
Angela, I have to
imagine this is what you
00:55:37.30\00:55:38.83
teach your kids, right?
00:55:38.87\00:55:40.30
That you do teach your
kids to not just be hearers
00:55:40.34\00:55:42.94
of the parents, but also
doers of the parents, right?
00:55:42.97\00:55:46.34
If you tell little
Liam, you know, Liam,
00:55:46.37\00:55:48.24
go pick up your
toys or go pick up your,
00:55:48.28\00:55:50.35
clean up your room,
00:55:50.38\00:55:51.71
and you come back
a few moments later,
00:55:51.75\00:55:53.08
you can test whether or not
00:55:53.11\00:55:54.45
he was genuine in
his response to you.
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You know, how does that
go? Right? How does that go?
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Do you teach your kids to
be doers of the Word, right?
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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
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By being an example as well.
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Oh, I love that,
being an example.
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Yeah.
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Being if he
sees his mom and dad.
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And Christ was our exhibit.
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You know, all of God's
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covenants are conditional.
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There is, God gives His gift,
but there is a condition of us
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showing our love
and loyalty to Him.
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There's a
covenant love and loyalty.
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If you love Me,
keep My commandments.
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And so, it's
conditioned on that.
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We don't have time
to go further right now.
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No, that's
good. It's good stuff.
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I'm glad that you quoted
that was where I was going next.
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If you love Me,
what did Jesus say?
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It's really all about love.
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This whole
conversation is all about love.
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You may be
watching right now and say,
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"Man, I'm struggling with,
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you know, do I do more
in my relationship with God?
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Or, you know, am I
saved by grace through faith?"
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Maybe you're
struggling with that.
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You don't have to struggle.
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You just simply turn
to Jesus and Jesus says,
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He will save you by His grace.
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But how do you test
if that faith is genuine?
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You, your heart will burn,
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you'll have a desire to
live for Him, to work for Him
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not because it saves you,
but because He has saved you.
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And it's always
foundation in love.
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If you love Me, Jesus
says, then you'll keep
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My commandments.
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It's been such a blessing
to have you with us today.
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Thank you, guys, so
much for joining us.
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Thank you, Ian and Angela.
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JD, Shelley, it's
been such a blessing.
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And until next time, my friends,
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we always just love
that you're in with us.
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We hope that you
join us next time
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for another
edition of 3ABN Today.
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God bless.
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