I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Happy Sabbath and
welcome to 3ABN Family Worship.
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We are so excited
that you're joining us
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for this Bible study.
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Tonight, we will be talking
about the measure you use.
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Amen.
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And we'll be talking
about condemnation and judgment
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and forgiveness, studying,
and all kinds of good things.
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I am Shelley Quinn.
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I am JD Quinn.
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And we are so glad that
you're joining us this...
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You know, let me go ahead.
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Honey, why don't
you introduce everyone
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who's here at the table.
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Well, some are good,
good friends, you know,
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that I enjoy being around.
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Robert, Robert over
here, Robert Pierce.
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This is one of my
favorite teachers.
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Oh, man.
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You were really gifted,
you know, Pastor Ryan Day.
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Praise the Lord.
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And one of my
good friends over here
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that I've just learned
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to love more all
the time, Eric Durant.
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Love you too, JD.
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And of course, my
favorite of all favorites...
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There we go.
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You got it
right. You got it right.
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Happy Sabbath to you.
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Yeah, that's...
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You know, we love
to study the Bible
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and we love to be,
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because through the
Bible, God speaks to us
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but why don't we
speak to him right now,
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Honey, you wanna open in prayer?
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Father, as we come
together, the Sabbath day,
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we just want to thank you, Lord,
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that we can take
a refreshing breath.
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Father, just knowing that
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you are the one
in charge of our life
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and, Father,
what a gift that is.
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Father, be with us as
we go through this study,
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Father, that the words
that come out of our mouth
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will indeed make a
difference, Father,
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that we will
stay on, stay on base.
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We love You and we thank You.
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We ask this in the
name of Jesus, amen.
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Amen.
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Amen and amen. Amen.
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We're going to,
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want to
introduce one more person
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who will be at
the piano as we sing.
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We're gonna sing Trust and Obey,
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and that's number
590 in your hymnal,
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but the words will
be across the screen.
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But Summer Boyd is
playing the piano for us,
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and she's so
precious and we're so glad.
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Thank you, Summer. Thank you.
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Amen.
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When we walk with the Lord
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In the light of His Word
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What a glory He
sheds on our way!
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While we do His good will
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He abides with us still
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And with all who
will trust and obey
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Trust and obey, for
there's no other way
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To be happy in Jesus,
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But to trust and obey
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But we never can prove
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The delights of His love
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Until all on the altar we lay
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For the favor He shows
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And the joy He bestows
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Are for them who
will trust and obey
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Trust and obey, for
there's no other way
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To be happy in Jesus,
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But to trust and obey
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Amen and amen.
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Beautiful song. Wow.
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You know, the
Bible says that we,
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in two or three witnesses,
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something is established.
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It is interesting to me
in three different passages,
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Jesus uses the
term the measure you use
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will be measured back to you.
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That's right. What
does He mean by that?
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Ryan?
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Well, obviously it's
talking about judgment,
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it's the concept of judgment
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and His judgment
necessarily a bad thing.
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I think that it can be depending
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on how you use
it or exercise that.
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And so I think
we're going to deal
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with a few passages
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that where
Christ brings this out.
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But absolutely, I
think that if we judge,
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we should judge
rightfully as we should judge it
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because what
measure as you said,
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what measure we
judge, what measure you use,
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it will be rendered back to you.
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And so, I think this is
probably in the direction
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that we're talking,
judgment, condemnation.
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What's the
difference between the two?
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We're going to
talk about that also...
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But he also uses it at a time
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when He's not
referring to judge me.
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Absolutely.
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So what does that
term, the measure you use
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will be measured
back to you mean?
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I almost
imagined that God's law,
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the foundation of
God's law is love.
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And when I hear him say that,
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I think what He's saying is,
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if you use love when you judge,
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then you're going to
receive the same love
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when you are judged.
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The foundation of our judgment
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should surround
and be based on love.
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Amen. Amen.
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Also think of the
scripture, it says,
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"What we sow, we will reap."
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Yeah.
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And I think that goes
in many aspects of life
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particularly pertaining
to the concept of judgment,
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but as you said,
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it goes far beyond
and outside of the subject
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or the concept of judgment.
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I guess my thought right now is,
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and I'll be more clear is that
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there are people
out there saying,
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"What do you mean,
the measure you use
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will be measured back to you."
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And it's kind of this idea
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of the law of reciprocity
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that whatever amount you give,
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what you measure, God mean,
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they were talking measures
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like bushels or
pints or something.
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But even in
generosity, if you give,
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you're setting up
a spiritual principle
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that God is seeing you
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as a cheerful giver
as someone who gives.
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So it's measured back to you.
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And what I have
found in my experience,
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is that God always outdoes
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whatever measure
we use, doesn't He?
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Absolutely, sure thing. Yeah.
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Okay, Ryan, why don't
you read Matthew 7:1-5?
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All right, Matthew
7:1-5, Jesus is speaking here.
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Of course, this is
the Sermon on the Mount
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and Christ says, "Judge
not that you be not judged.
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For with what measure
you judge you will be judged.
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And with the measure you use,
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it will also be
measured back to you.
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And why do you look
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at the speck in
your brother's eye?
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But do not consider
the plank in your own eye?
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Or how can you
say to your brother,
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let me remove the
speck from your eye and look,
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a plank is in your own eye?
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Hypocrite,
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first remove the
plank from your own eye,
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and then you will see
clearly to remove the speck
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from your brother's eye."
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Okay, so when he
says not to judge?
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I mean, you know,
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earlier he had said
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we were to expose
false prophets, right?
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We know that Paul talks
in 1 Corinthians Chapter 5
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about exercising
church discipline.
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So what does he
mean when he says,
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"Judge not that
you be not judged?"
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Well, I think the context
of this particular passage here
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is what needs to be considered
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because obviously
once he makes a statement,
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"Judge not that
you be not judged."
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Everything that
follows is from the perspective
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of he's actually emphasizing
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and addressing the
issue of hypocrisy,
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which would be obviously
why would I want to go out
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and judge my
brother for something
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or condemn him?
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Obviously, condemnation
comes from judgment.
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We'll get to that in a moment.
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We don't want to bring
condemnation upon someone
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when we ourselves
deserve that same condemnation,
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because we can't rightfully
judge someone about something
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that we obviously are
still struggling with,
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or we obviously have
not gained the victory over.
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And so in that case,
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I would say that the context
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of this particular
passage is Christ is saying,
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He's addressing the hypocrisy
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that was
obviously being exercised
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during His time
from the Pharisees
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and from the
spirit of Israel in itself
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in that particular culture,
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people would go condemning
and judging people for things
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that they
themselves needed victory over.
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So, in other words,
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it's a hypocritical,
judgmental attitude
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where you're focusing
on the faults of others.
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And you're not even
looking at your own fault.
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And I mean,
sometimes in psychology,
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they call it projection, like
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I was in a particular
church many years back
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that I came
upon a group of women
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and they were
just biz, biz, biz...
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And they were
talking about this poor woman
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and all of a sudden and I said,
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"Yeah and she's
pretty much a gossip too."
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She said, "Oh, she
is," and then biz, biz...
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And I thought, how funny
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because I was trying
to get their attention
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and sometimes we
project on others.
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Right.
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The very thing
we're guilty of is what?
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What you look at.
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Think about the guy,
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the Pharisee who went
into the temple to pray
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and he's beating
on his chest saying,
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"I'm glad, I'm not
like that publican."
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And so it's that
kind of judgment.
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Sure. And it is easy.
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I've heard someone say,
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"Talk about the
toothpick in your neighbor's eye
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and the telephone
pole in your own."
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Right.
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And sometimes we don't recognize
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our own faults, do we?
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No. Right.
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You know whenever,
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I think this is good news
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that we're
reminded first of all,
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hey, let's play on
a level playing field.
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And to me, I like
playing on a level playing field
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because that is fairness.
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Right.
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And I like that Jesus is saying,
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"Hey, man, there's different
personality types out here."
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There are some
people that are trying
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to take advantage of it,
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there's others, who know that,
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that it seems like perhaps,
that they're out of place
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and so then that creates
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a whole
different issue, you know,
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but I just, I see fairness,
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I see reciprocity.
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I remember, I was
thinking about this last night,
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I hadn't even thought of
this word in 55, 60 years.
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Do y'all ever played scrub ball?
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Scrub.
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Waiting for your time,
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scrub is whenever you
get the neighborhood guys,
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you all like to play ball,
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you had an old ball
that was half at around
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and the field was just
out there, full of rocks.
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Someone's up, some was
down but you love playing ball.
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And so, all somebody
had to do, scrub, scrub
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and everybody, all
the neighborhood boys
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would come around
and would play ball.
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Man, it was tough
playing scrub ball
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on level field.
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I mean, you know,
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if you are at
right field you know,
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and the ball came your way,
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you could stumble over a
ditch even if we got the ball.
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And for some reason,
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I thought about
that last night and,
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but there was no judgment.
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Nobody was being judgmental,
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because we were
all on the same page,
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because we love playing ball.
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Now to me, that's being fair.
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That's the kind of
people I want to associate with.
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That's right.
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But Jesus is
sitting here saying us,
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"Hey, guys, there's
different types out here.
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And you know,
there's a lot of people
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that are trying to create issues
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out of non issues."
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And so, that was the
direction that I went.
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But then again, I was,
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sometimes I am
a little off skew,
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you know, but...
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One of the things that
I used to run into a lot
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when I would talk to
people, they would say,
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doesn't the Bible
say, "Don't judge me."
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You shouldn't be judging
me if you're a Christian.
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And one of the things
that I wanted to differentiate
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was the
difference between judging
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and the condemning manner
versus correcting a behavior...
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Or discernment. Right, right.
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That is out of
line with the Word.
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And I think
that's one of the things
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that as a Christian,
we need to emphasize.
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We're not condemning anyone.
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We're simply
pointing out problems
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with the things
that they're doing.
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Right. There's a big difference.
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Absolutely, in
fact, Paul alludes to that
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in 1 Corinthians 6.
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Yeah.
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Notice what he says
here in verse 3 and 4,
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1 Corinthians Chapter 6.
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1 Corinthians Chapter
6 beginning with verse 3
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and obviously we know
he's addressing the church,
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so he's
speaking to God's people,
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and I love Paul's writing.
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I love all the Bible,
but for sure Paul's writings
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in a sense that Paul
gives so much wise counsel,
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he has a very
intelligent counsel.
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And notice what he
says here in verse,
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beginning with verse 3,
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he says, "Do you not know
that we shall judge angels?"
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"How much more..."
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Notice the question here,
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"How much more things
that pertain to this life?"
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If then you have
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judgments concerning
thing pertaining to this life,
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do you appoint those
who are least esteemed
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by the church to judge.
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So the point that I just
wanna make here out of this
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is that he's saying, look,
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there's coming a time
when God is gonna trust you,
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His church to judge angels.
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And obviously the
angels we're talking about
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is the fallen angels,
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the condemned
angels, the ones, you know,
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fell from the grace of God.
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But the fact
that he follows it up
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with how much more
things pertaining to this life.
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So God expects us to judge,
to use spiritual discernment,
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the gift of
spiritual discernment,
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and the ability
to rightfully judge
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not in a condemning
spirit or condemning attitude,
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but to do it as
you mentioned, brother,
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perfectly spot on
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in accordance
with the Word of God.
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There's going to be
times that, you know,
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we're also told to
reprove and rebuke.
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And again, those type
of words are strong words,
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you don't hear them much anymore
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because people
feel like condemn or,
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you know, reproving, correcting,
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or rebuking
someone, that's judging,
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we're not going to
be someone's judge.
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But yet, as you said,
from a biblical perspective,
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if you're
correcting someone's behavior,
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if you're pointing out in
a loving Christlike spirit,
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something that is not
in line with God's Word
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or not in
harmony with God's Word,
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then we have the right
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to rightfully
weigh in the balances
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and judge
something in that aspect.
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But, Shelley,
we can kind of step
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into the direction of
the condemnation aspect,
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which is,
there's people who judge
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with a condemnatory spirit.
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They're not necessarily judging
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from the
perspective of a spiritual,
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a true Holy Spirit,
spiritual discernment,
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they're judging from the aspect,
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they're looking
at someone's actions
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and they have this
very self righteous spirit
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that overcomes them
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and it just and
it's very dividing,
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it's very hurtful
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to God's people
in the God's Church.
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My wife Marylyn,
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she was driven
out of the church,
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because her and her girlfriend,
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they were a member of a church,
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I won't mention the name.
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But a member and
elder came and said
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that her grandfather
was condemned to hell,
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because he wasn't a member
of this particular church.
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Wow.
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And being young Christians,
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and they didn't
understand the word at the time,
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they listened to
that and decided that...
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That wasn't a
Seventh-Day Adventist Church?
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No, it wasn't.
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Okay, I want to make
sure 'cause they don't know.
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They decided, Marylyn
and her girlfriend decided
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that they wanted no
part of religion in church
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because of this attitude,
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and it wasn't
later on when she met me.
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And I told her,
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this is not what the Bible says.
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Amen.
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And I showed her
how you're judged
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according to the
light that you have
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and things like
that, that she softened up
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and she fell in
love with the church
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and then Christianity
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and particularly
the Adventist Church.
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Yeah, amen. Right, right.
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You know what I was
thinking the other day,
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this thought came
to me and it's not,
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I mean, It's
nothing great original.
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It's not even original to me,
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but I hadn't thought
about it for a while.
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We are to know
people by their fruits.
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And sometimes
you look at somebody
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and you think, oh, boy,
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they've got this great ministry.
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Right.
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And you're
judging that as the fruit.
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But you know what?
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I don't think that's
what that scripture means.
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I think it's the
fruit of the Spirit
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because I got to
thinking about when, you know,
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the people who are
saying to Jesus, Lord, Lord,
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did we not cast out
demons in Your name?
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Did we not do this in Your name?
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That's right.
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They had what some
people consider fruit,
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but that's not what
he's talking about...
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That's right,
fruit of the Spirit.
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So when we're talking
about God saying to us,
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"Judge not that
you be not judged."
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Then we're not
to be hypocritical.
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We're not to be
unfair and condemnatory.
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And if we are, he says,
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"The measure we use
will be measured back to us."
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So, is that
saying? What do you think?
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I mean, God is a God of mercy.
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If we're not
merciful and kind to others...
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It's the Good Samaritan,
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everyone walked by this person
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and left them at
the side of the road,
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and this one Samaritan met him
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and took him and poured oil,
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healing oil on them
to resolve this problem
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and to help him
through his trial.
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And as Christians
we're called to do that,
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and many Christians,
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as in that
example, that parable,
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they put their nose
up in there and said,
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"I'm not even gonna touch him.
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He's not worthy."
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And we should never walk by
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our friends,
families, individuals
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who may not believe
exactly what we believe,
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or who may be struggling,
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we should never
walk by these individuals
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as Christians we're called.
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Sure.
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You know, I can really
relate to what you said earlier
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about struggling
this as a young person
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because this passage, you know,
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I've dealt with
all my life of...
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How do you, what is the balance
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between being making
good evaluations and judgments
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versus do not judge and,
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you know, those,
wrestling with that,
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was kind of a personal thing,
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but it wasn't until I had kids
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and the kids started growing up,
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my kids started growing up
00:19:15.78\00:19:17.12
that I really had
to wrestle with this
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because as they
grew up in the church,
00:19:18.52\00:19:20.42
and then began to
be influenced in school
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by the world and friends,
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you know, they would come
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and we'd have to
wrestle through this,
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like the world
has this philosophy
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that you know, there's
no such thing as truth.
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Everything's relative, you know,
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as long as you
believe it, it's good,
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it's okay you know,
be true to your own self
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and so wrestling with that,
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we're trying to counter,
contradict or counteract
00:19:42.28\00:19:45.85
that worldly
philosophy or that viewpoint.
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You come to verses like
this and then, how do you...
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So the conversation ended up
going something like, you know,
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we are called to
be discriminatory
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in the sense that the
word discriminate means
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to tell this from
that, to, you know,
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pull apart and understand
the difference between things.
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It's become kind
of a negative word
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in our culture as if it's laden
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with some kind
of racial component
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or some kind of
negative component,
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but all it means
is rational thinking
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and understanding
between this and that.
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And is there a difference?
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And so, trying to explain
that to my daughter and sons,
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and working through that,
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I delved into this
more than I ever had,
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you know, we're not supposed
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to give up our
reason or rationality.
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We're not supposed to
be whatever goes, goes.
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We're to hold fast to
the truth, speak the truth.
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Amen.
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But not to
condemn, that's not our job.
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Absolutely.
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I know, you spoke
eloquently there but I,
00:20:44.87\00:20:46.74
that's how I've struggled
that not with external people,
00:20:46.78\00:20:50.15
with my own kids
trying to help them
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grow and understand, okay,
00:20:52.25\00:20:53.58
from a Christian
perspective, how does this work.
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I'm gonna throw a quick story.
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Many years ago, I knew a woman
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who married for
money and she made no...
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I don't know if she
ever told her husband
00:21:06.39\00:21:07.76
that she married him
because of her money, but,
00:21:07.80\00:21:10.43
but she made no bones
about it among her friends
00:21:10.47\00:21:15.17
that the reason she married
him and she had four kids
00:21:15.20\00:21:18.21
and she needed somebody.
00:21:18.24\00:21:20.41
Now, this very
person who married for money
00:21:20.44\00:21:25.15
was being very critical
one day of a prostitute.
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And we started talking
and we were super close.
00:21:31.65\00:21:35.72
But she was
being very condemnatory
00:21:35.76\00:21:38.49
about a woman
that we know she did,
00:21:38.53\00:21:41.40
I mean, this was
in San Francisco.
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And all of a
sudden her eyes were open.
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She said, you know,
00:21:47.87\00:21:50.27
to this scripture is
that I am judging somebody
00:21:50.31\00:21:56.18
and I did something very similar
00:21:56.21\00:21:58.11
and this is what human nature,
00:21:58.15\00:22:00.45
we don't
recognize our own faults.
00:22:00.48\00:22:02.98
And sometimes we are so quick
00:22:03.02\00:22:05.55
to look and point
that condemnatory finger
00:22:05.59\00:22:08.02
and we don't
even know their story.
00:22:08.06\00:22:09.82
Not that I'm saying
prostitution is right,
00:22:09.86\00:22:12.83
but you don't know how
someone ended up there.
00:22:12.86\00:22:15.20
Right. Yeah. I love the story.
00:22:15.23\00:22:17.27
And it's funny
because you went there
00:22:17.30\00:22:18.63
because I just
had turned to John 8.
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First few verses of John 8
gives us the perfect example
00:22:20.67\00:22:23.51
of the righteous
judgment of Christ.
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In fact, it was a situation
where obviously it says here,
00:22:27.38\00:22:30.41
I'm in John Chapter, the
Gospel of John Chapter 8,
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it says the scribes, Pharisees,
00:22:33.45\00:22:34.78
beginning with verse 3,
"Then the scribes and Pharisees
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brought to him a
woman caught in adultery.
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And when they had set her
in the midst, they said to him,
00:22:39.72\00:22:43.22
'Teacher, this woman
was caught in adultery
00:22:43.26\00:22:45.06
in the very act.'
00:22:45.09\00:22:46.49
Now Moses in
the law commanded us
00:22:46.53\00:22:48.20
that such should be stoned.
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But what do you say?"
00:22:50.00\00:22:51.33
So they're putting
the judgment in his hands.
00:22:51.37\00:22:53.84
Now you would suspect
00:22:53.87\00:22:55.40
that obviously
when we think of sin,
00:22:55.44\00:22:57.41
I'm just gonna pause,
00:22:57.44\00:22:58.77
hit the pause
button for a moment.
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When we think of sin, we
think of scriptures like,
00:23:00.18\00:23:02.04
you know, the wages of sin is...
00:23:02.08\00:23:04.71
Death. Death.
00:23:04.75\00:23:06.18
We know that sin does not
dwell in the presence of God.
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We know that in
heaven, there is no sin.
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And so when we think of that,
00:23:11.25\00:23:12.59
sometimes we think
of in a very abstract,
00:23:12.62\00:23:14.79
very concrete way that we
say, well, sin is against God.
00:23:14.82\00:23:18.63
God hates sin.
00:23:18.66\00:23:20.00
So then we automatically
attach that condemnation
00:23:20.03\00:23:22.50
against sin to the person.
00:23:22.53\00:23:24.90
And sometimes, we got
to be careful with that
00:23:24.93\00:23:26.43
because while God
does condemn the sin,
00:23:26.47\00:23:28.97
He doesn't, He does not,
00:23:29.00\00:23:30.34
it's not in His character
to want to condemn the person.
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Amen. He loves His people.
00:23:32.74\00:23:34.08
He wants to see
all His people saved.
00:23:34.11\00:23:36.04
That's why we're
still tarrying I believe,
00:23:36.08\00:23:37.55
because God is
working among His people.
00:23:37.58\00:23:39.75
But right here in
this beautiful story,
00:23:39.78\00:23:41.78
I don't have to go much more
00:23:41.82\00:23:43.15
because we know
what the story says.
00:23:43.18\00:23:44.75
Obviously Christ, you know,
00:23:44.79\00:23:46.35
He puts the
judgment back on those,
00:23:46.39\00:23:48.86
kind of like what we just read
00:23:48.89\00:23:50.33
that the plank in
the eye and the speck,
00:23:50.36\00:23:52.76
these men, well,
maybe not all of them,
00:23:52.79\00:23:55.36
some of them have
probably behind closed doors,
00:23:55.40\00:23:58.13
we don't know for sure,
00:23:58.17\00:23:59.50
have probably
committed some type of harlotry
00:23:59.53\00:24:01.77
or adulterous sometimes or lust,
00:24:01.80\00:24:04.87
but they were for
sure, in Christ's eyes,
00:24:04.91\00:24:07.24
they were
committing spiritual adultery.
00:24:07.28\00:24:09.48
And so he spits
it right back at them
00:24:09.51\00:24:11.31
and he brings the
condemnation upon us
00:24:11.35\00:24:13.01
and says, "Look, if, you
know, cast the first stone
00:24:13.05\00:24:15.15
if you are yet without sin,"
00:24:15.18\00:24:16.75
and they could not do so,
but here's what's interesting.
00:24:16.79\00:24:19.32
Does Christ condemn the
sin? Does He let the sin go?
00:24:19.35\00:24:22.66
Does He just
brush it off and say,
00:24:22.69\00:24:24.03
"Oh, you know,
hey, everything's okay."
00:24:24.06\00:24:25.39
No, He turns to the woman.
00:24:25.43\00:24:27.03
And instead of condemning her,
00:24:27.06\00:24:29.53
He condemned the
sin by telling her,
00:24:29.56\00:24:31.07
"Look, where are your accusers.
00:24:31.10\00:24:33.13
Rise, go, and sin no more."
00:24:33.17\00:24:36.50
And if you read,
00:24:36.54\00:24:37.87
I believe it's in
the Great Controversy.
00:24:37.91\00:24:39.24
She actually
says that this lady,
00:24:39.27\00:24:40.88
she would go back
probably seven more times,
00:24:40.91\00:24:43.48
five to seven more times.
00:24:43.51\00:24:44.85
She struggled with
this and Christ still
00:24:44.88\00:24:47.62
in a non-condemnatory
righteous judgment away,
00:24:47.65\00:24:51.55
He continued to forgive
her because He knew her heart.
00:24:51.59\00:24:54.62
He knew that eventually
He could reach that heart.
00:24:54.66\00:24:57.29
Amen.
00:24:57.33\00:24:58.66
And so, you know, I
love the examples of Christ
00:24:58.69\00:25:00.43
because our example is Jesus.
00:25:00.46\00:25:02.03
Amen.
00:25:02.06\00:25:03.40
We should want
to judge righteously
00:25:03.43\00:25:04.93
with love and
compassion as Jesus did.
00:25:04.97\00:25:07.50
Is it wrong to say
00:25:07.54\00:25:08.87
that we should be
liberal with others
00:25:08.90\00:25:11.57
and conservative with ourselves?
00:25:11.61\00:25:14.58
Is it wrong to say that?
00:25:14.61\00:25:15.94
As soon as you say
you're a Christian,
00:25:15.98\00:25:17.31
but you're liberal with others,
00:25:17.35\00:25:18.85
it kind of has
a bad connotation.
00:25:18.88\00:25:20.98
But at the same time,
00:25:21.02\00:25:23.35
you don't wanna be too
critical where you run them off.
00:25:23.39\00:25:25.65
Sure.
00:25:25.69\00:25:27.02
What Shelley said, I really like
00:25:27.06\00:25:28.39
because it brought
to memory something
00:25:28.42\00:25:30.43
I was thinking of last week.
00:25:30.46\00:25:33.19
A tree that has a
fruit is bearing good fruit.
00:25:33.23\00:25:36.03
Eventually, that
fruit falls to the ground
00:25:36.06\00:25:38.67
and becomes another tree.
00:25:38.70\00:25:41.37
So if you're bearing good fruit,
00:25:41.40\00:25:43.51
you're going to
make good Christians.
00:25:43.54\00:25:44.91
Amen.
00:25:44.94\00:25:46.27
If you're bearing bad fruit,
00:25:46.31\00:25:47.64
you're gonna run Christians off.
00:25:47.68\00:25:49.01
Amen.
00:25:49.04\00:25:50.38
And I just thought of
that when you said that.
00:25:50.41\00:25:51.75
Sure, sure. Amen.
00:25:51.78\00:25:53.11
You know, I firmly believe that
the closer we come to Christ,
00:25:53.15\00:25:58.35
the more clearly in His light,
00:25:58.39\00:26:00.86
the more clearly
we see our own faults.
00:26:00.89\00:26:03.99
Now, and I practice
what you're talking about.
00:26:04.03\00:26:09.16
I'm much more...
00:26:09.20\00:26:10.77
Conservative.
00:26:10.80\00:26:12.90
I'm more
condemnatory toward myself,
00:26:12.93\00:26:15.10
if I make a mistake and try,
00:26:15.14\00:26:17.37
you know, I'm gonna
hit something that...
00:26:17.41\00:26:20.54
Please don't
write in about this.
00:26:20.58\00:26:22.71
But like, if I go to a church
00:26:22.74\00:26:24.65
and I see a woman
who's got on little earrings
00:26:24.68\00:26:27.48
or a little something, you know,
00:26:27.52\00:26:30.12
and they're not, I
don't even notice that
00:26:30.15\00:26:33.42
people have to
bring it to my attention,
00:26:33.46\00:26:36.02
because I'm more
interested in the person
00:26:36.06\00:26:39.13
in what's going on,
so that's something.
00:26:39.16\00:26:41.56
Sure. Okay.
00:26:41.60\00:26:43.33
There's two more scriptures
we really want to get to.
00:26:43.37\00:26:46.47
So the bottom line on
this is when Jesus said
00:26:46.50\00:26:50.77
the measure you use
will be measured back to you.
00:26:50.81\00:26:53.84
Have you ever seen a
critical, hypocritical person
00:26:53.88\00:26:58.38
who's always pointing
out other people's faults
00:26:58.41\00:27:01.08
and not recognizing their own?
00:27:01.12\00:27:02.88
Guess what?
00:27:02.92\00:27:04.25
They end up having people
00:27:04.29\00:27:05.62
who are doing the
same to them, don't they?
00:27:05.65\00:27:08.39
All right, JD,
why don't you read
00:27:08.42\00:27:10.16
Luke 6:37 and 38?
00:27:10.19\00:27:13.76
Okay.
00:27:13.80\00:27:15.13
This is from the New King James,
00:27:15.16\00:27:17.13
"Judge not, and you
shall not be judged.
00:27:17.17\00:27:20.57
Condemn not, and you
shall not be condemned.
00:27:20.60\00:27:23.71
Forgive, and you
will be forgiven.
00:27:23.74\00:27:26.98
Give and it
will be given to you,
00:27:27.01\00:27:29.54
good measure, pressed
down, shaken together,
00:27:29.58\00:27:32.65
and running over will
be put into your bosom.
00:27:32.68\00:27:35.82
For with the same
measure that you use it,
00:27:35.85\00:27:38.65
it will be
measured back to you."
00:27:38.69\00:27:41.22
Amen. Amen.
00:27:41.26\00:27:43.26
One of the first lesson,
00:27:48.13\00:27:50.10
a lesson I learned in
life was with my granddad's.
00:27:50.13\00:27:55.14
Mr. Jim, that's
what he was called.
00:27:55.17\00:27:56.84
Everybody loved Mr. Jim,
00:27:56.87\00:27:58.97
and I was probably
about seven, eight years old.
00:27:59.01\00:28:03.35
We were, it was harvest time
00:28:03.38\00:28:05.98
and this year we
had planted oats.
00:28:06.01\00:28:08.38
And I don't know if you
know anything about oats,
00:28:08.42\00:28:09.92
there's wheat, there's oats.
00:28:09.95\00:28:11.95
Wheat is heavy, oats is light.
00:28:11.99\00:28:14.36
Oats is 32 pounds to a
bushel, takes up a lot of room.
00:28:14.39\00:28:18.83
Not very heavy, wheat,
00:28:18.86\00:28:20.50
you barely pick it up 60
pounds to that same bushel.
00:28:20.53\00:28:23.83
So he had a ranch over here
00:28:23.87\00:28:27.10
that wanted to buy two
big burlap bags of oats.
00:28:27.14\00:28:31.37
And so there's nothing worse.
00:28:31.41\00:28:33.98
I had hay fever growing up,
00:28:34.01\00:28:36.21
man, the worst thing
00:28:36.24\00:28:37.61
I wanted to be is
in a field with oats
00:28:37.65\00:28:40.12
because, boy, you're
just itching everything.
00:28:40.15\00:28:41.88
We're taking those harvest oats,
00:28:41.92\00:28:44.15
putting them
under the burlap bag.
00:28:44.19\00:28:46.12
All I could do
is think granddad,
00:28:46.15\00:28:48.02
"When are we gonna get through?
00:28:48.06\00:28:49.39
When we gonna get through?"
00:28:49.42\00:28:50.76
No son, let's just be patient.
00:28:50.79\00:28:53.46
Get in there.
Press those oats down.
00:28:53.50\00:28:56.46
We want to be
honest with this man.
00:28:56.50\00:28:59.57
He's been good to us
and push those outs down.
00:28:59.60\00:29:02.94
And so here you're
setting here the life lesson.
00:29:02.97\00:29:06.04
That's right.
00:29:06.07\00:29:07.51
Good measure pressed
down, shaken together.
00:29:07.54\00:29:11.31
Okay, you get
that big old burlap bag
00:29:11.35\00:29:13.78
and running over we
put into who you are.
00:29:13.82\00:29:17.59
Wow.
00:29:17.62\00:29:18.95
We packed those
two big burlap bags
00:29:18.99\00:29:22.39
full of oats,
took it to the man.
00:29:22.42\00:29:25.86
And then as I was
walking out with my granddad,
00:29:25.89\00:29:29.80
not understanding
the lesson in life,
00:29:29.83\00:29:32.43
the man says,
00:29:32.47\00:29:33.84
"You know, Mr. Jim,
he is a special man.
00:29:33.87\00:29:38.04
He's never going to
take advantage of you.
00:29:38.07\00:29:39.97
He's a man that you can trust."
00:29:40.01\00:29:42.64
God put me there
at a special time
00:29:42.68\00:29:44.61
when I could hear that.
00:29:44.65\00:29:45.98
Wow.
00:29:46.01\00:29:47.35
And if now we
hadn't press down...
00:29:47.38\00:29:48.72
That's right.
00:29:48.75\00:29:50.09
If we hadn't
been a good measure,
00:29:50.12\00:29:51.45
we're being honest,
00:29:51.49\00:29:52.85
it would not have
made any difference to me.
00:29:52.89\00:29:55.72
Okay. That's right.
00:29:55.76\00:29:57.63
So that's a great lesson
00:29:57.66\00:29:59.09
judge not and
you won't be judged,
00:29:59.13\00:30:01.90
condemn not and
you won't be condemned.
00:30:01.93\00:30:04.67
Forgive and you
will be forgiven.
00:30:04.70\00:30:07.47
I mean, so
here, we're going back
00:30:07.50\00:30:08.84
to that fairness
that he was talking about,
00:30:08.87\00:30:10.54
that reciprocity, you
know, that's present in life.
00:30:10.57\00:30:14.81
That's a great lesson.
00:30:14.84\00:30:16.85
So when he says, once
again, with the measure you use,
00:30:16.88\00:30:20.88
it will be measured back to you.
00:30:20.92\00:30:22.75
There is a saying in the world,
what goes around comes around.
00:30:22.78\00:30:26.09
That's right.
00:30:26.12\00:30:27.46
But this is so much deeper...
00:30:27.49\00:30:29.19
That's right, it is.
00:30:29.22\00:30:30.56
Than what goes
around comes around
00:30:30.59\00:30:32.03
in a physical realm.
00:30:32.06\00:30:33.63
This is a spiritual
application as you're saying
00:30:33.66\00:30:38.33
because here, now, of course,
00:30:38.37\00:30:40.90
your grandfather had
a wonderful reputation.
00:30:40.94\00:30:43.67
People loved him.
00:30:43.71\00:30:45.21
And I'm sure that
because of his generosity,
00:30:45.24\00:30:48.18
others were
generously inclined toward him.
00:30:48.21\00:30:51.88
But your grandfather also
had a lot of spiritual blessings
00:30:51.91\00:30:56.82
and I believe that you
know, when we say them,
00:30:56.85\00:30:59.65
given it will be given to you,
00:30:59.69\00:31:01.16
well, God loves
a cheerful giver.
00:31:01.19\00:31:03.53
But, do you
think I've seen people
00:31:03.56\00:31:07.83
there's someone who works here
that when she first came here,
00:31:07.86\00:31:10.67
she was so broke
00:31:10.70\00:31:13.64
and didn't have two
pennies to rub together,
00:31:13.67\00:31:16.91
and she saw a man broken
down on the side of the road
00:31:16.94\00:31:20.34
pulled over,
helped him change a tire
00:31:20.38\00:31:23.85
and gave him her
last $5 that she had
00:31:23.88\00:31:29.65
and I've never
seen her go wanting.
00:31:29.68\00:31:32.25
I've never seen her go wanting.
00:31:32.29\00:31:34.59
So God, I think
that the measure we use,
00:31:34.62\00:31:38.53
I think the
angels are taking notice,
00:31:38.56\00:31:40.83
the Holy Spirit
takes notice, God notices
00:31:40.86\00:31:44.07
and when we are compassionate
rather than critical,
00:31:44.10\00:31:48.74
it's just something
that comes back to us.
00:31:48.77\00:31:51.51
And the foundation of that
00:31:51.54\00:31:52.94
if you go under
that a little deeper,
00:31:52.97\00:31:55.08
that's all comes from love.
00:31:55.11\00:31:56.44
Amen. A godly love.
00:31:56.48\00:31:58.55
Absolutely.
00:31:58.58\00:31:59.91
It is all foundation
from a, that spiritual fruit,
00:31:59.95\00:32:04.72
the fruit of the Spirit
is love and then it lists
00:32:04.75\00:32:07.59
few or some other
stuff after that, joy, peace,
00:32:07.62\00:32:09.49
long suffering, patient, ego,
00:32:09.52\00:32:11.39
all those things after,
that is the result of love.
00:32:11.43\00:32:14.00
And, you know, go back to
00:32:14.03\00:32:17.37
what we've been
talking about up to this point.
00:32:17.40\00:32:22.70
I had something
happen the other day,
00:32:22.74\00:32:24.07
I'm gonna tell this
because this kind of goes into
00:32:24.11\00:32:26.27
to what we're talking about.
00:32:26.31\00:32:28.54
This young lady
posts on Facebook,
00:32:28.58\00:32:30.41
she says,
basically puts it out there
00:32:30.45\00:32:32.21
and says that when
did it become wrong
00:32:32.25\00:32:37.29
to say that homosexuality
is a sin or is wrong?
00:32:37.32\00:32:41.46
And she goes a
little further and says,
00:32:41.49\00:32:43.22
I do not condemn the person.
00:32:43.26\00:32:44.59
I love the person but I
will stand as a Christian
00:32:44.63\00:32:47.10
and say that, you know,
00:32:47.13\00:32:48.46
homosexuality is
a sin, it's wrong.
00:32:48.50\00:32:51.83
The flood, the firestorm
00:32:51.87\00:32:53.74
of negative
comments that she got,
00:32:53.77\00:32:56.30
and as I'm reading
through these comments,
00:32:56.34\00:32:58.41
every single one of them was,
00:32:58.44\00:33:00.04
judge not that ye be not judged,
00:33:00.08\00:33:01.41
judge not that ye be not judge,
00:33:01.44\00:33:02.78
you judge, you
do not, blah, blah.
00:33:02.81\00:33:04.18
And then people
on that thread begin
00:33:04.21\00:33:06.61
because they knew her personally
00:33:06.65\00:33:08.15
began calling her
out for her specific sins
00:33:08.18\00:33:11.85
and I'm reading through this
00:33:11.89\00:33:13.22
and my heart
begins to break because
00:33:13.25\00:33:15.12
while what the young lady
said was very, very correct,
00:33:15.16\00:33:17.83
all these other
people were interpreting
00:33:17.86\00:33:19.86
what she was
saying as a judgment.
00:33:19.89\00:33:21.73
Now that becomes
difficult in and of itself
00:33:21.76\00:33:23.73
because, again,
00:33:23.77\00:33:25.47
we have to
understand the relationship
00:33:25.50\00:33:27.77
between righteousness and sin.
00:33:27.80\00:33:29.14
Amen.
00:33:29.17\00:33:30.51
We have to understand that
God does hold us responsible
00:33:30.54\00:33:33.17
to understand what sin is
and what His character is,
00:33:33.21\00:33:36.04
which is the opposite of sin
00:33:36.08\00:33:38.25
and so we do need to be able
to exercise righteous judgment
00:33:38.28\00:33:40.95
to be able to
call the kettle black,
00:33:40.98\00:33:43.39
old saying, to be
able to call it out
00:33:43.42\00:33:45.35
right for what it is and
say, the truth of the matter is,
00:33:45.39\00:33:48.12
is that is sin and it
is not of God's character.
00:33:48.16\00:33:51.43
That is not of God's plan.
00:33:51.46\00:33:53.03
But then with that,
00:33:53.06\00:33:54.40
we have to be
able to tie to that,
00:33:54.43\00:33:56.16
that compassionate, merciful,
00:33:56.20\00:33:57.97
loving spirit
that Christ would have
00:33:58.00\00:33:59.53
which would be, I love you,
00:33:59.57\00:34:01.50
you're my brother and my sister,
00:34:01.54\00:34:02.87
just go and sin no more.
00:34:02.90\00:34:04.74
You know, my response to that
00:34:04.77\00:34:06.11
is I gave my
response to that thread
00:34:06.14\00:34:07.68
and I remember
space saying specifically
00:34:07.71\00:34:09.54
gave you some scriptures about
how homosexuality is a sin.
00:34:09.58\00:34:12.51
It's not of God's character.
00:34:12.55\00:34:14.42
But at the same time that person
00:34:14.45\00:34:15.92
who is a
homosexual is God's child.
00:34:15.95\00:34:18.65
Amen.
00:34:18.69\00:34:20.02
And God love, He
died for that person.
00:34:20.06\00:34:21.39
Amen.
00:34:21.42\00:34:22.76
And for whatever
reason that person feels that
00:34:22.79\00:34:24.13
that lifestyle is okay.
00:34:24.16\00:34:25.49
We are not to condemn the person
00:34:25.53\00:34:26.86
we are to
rightfully call what it is.
00:34:26.90\00:34:29.03
But with that,
also have to remember
00:34:29.06\00:34:31.53
that while that person still
needs sanctification from sin,
00:34:31.57\00:34:34.64
so do I.
00:34:34.67\00:34:36.00
So I say on that
thread very clearly,
00:34:36.04\00:34:37.84
look, I'm not judging anyone.
00:34:37.87\00:34:39.51
Because the truth is,
00:34:39.54\00:34:40.98
we're all not
making it out of here
00:34:41.01\00:34:42.68
until we surrender all of
self and all of our sins to Him.
00:34:42.71\00:34:46.01
So whether you're, you know,
00:34:46.05\00:34:47.38
caught up in
homosexuality or drug abuse
00:34:47.42\00:34:50.15
or whatever you're saying...
00:34:50.19\00:34:51.72
Or gossip or backbiting.
00:34:51.75\00:34:54.62
Yeah, all of these
things that some of us
00:34:54.66\00:34:56.42
call little white sins,
00:34:56.46\00:34:57.79
a little white lies
or whatever, you know,
00:34:57.83\00:34:59.33
sin is sin in the eyes of God
00:34:59.36\00:35:00.86
and until we surrender it all...
00:35:00.90\00:35:02.53
Amen.
00:35:02.56\00:35:03.90
All of us have no
point to point another finger
00:35:03.93\00:35:05.90
at another brother
and sister and say,
00:35:05.93\00:35:07.27
hey, you're this and you're that
00:35:07.30\00:35:08.84
you're gonna go
to hell if you don't
00:35:08.87\00:35:10.51
and I've heard
Christian say that,
00:35:10.54\00:35:11.87
you're gonna go
to hell if you don't,
00:35:11.91\00:35:13.41
and there's where the
condemnation comes in,
00:35:13.44\00:35:15.64
and I think that's the spirit
that Christ is addressing.
00:35:15.68\00:35:18.25
Be careful.
00:35:18.28\00:35:20.15
Be careful where you're going
with that kind of intention
00:35:20.18\00:35:23.49
that while we are
to call it what it is,
00:35:23.52\00:35:25.95
we have to be careful
00:35:25.99\00:35:27.32
in the spirit
that we deliver that
00:35:27.36\00:35:28.69
because if we
deliver or condemn someone
00:35:28.72\00:35:30.73
to hell's flames,
00:35:30.76\00:35:32.09
because we think that
they're against God, watch out,
00:35:32.13\00:35:35.86
because that
same might come back.
00:35:35.90\00:35:37.43
In fact, let me address this.
00:35:37.47\00:35:38.80
I know I'm on this.
00:35:38.83\00:35:40.17
I better say
this really quickly,
00:35:40.20\00:35:41.54
I'm gonna forget.
00:35:41.57\00:35:42.90
Paul, now this is where
it gets serious I think,
00:35:42.94\00:35:46.47
this concept of judgment,
00:35:46.51\00:35:47.84
this is where it
gets really serious
00:35:47.88\00:35:49.21
for me personally.
00:35:49.24\00:35:51.41
What is blasphemy?
00:35:51.45\00:35:54.98
Because oftentimes,
we as Adventist I know,
00:35:55.02\00:35:58.19
we quickly go to,
you know, the two major,
00:35:58.22\00:36:00.72
you know, claiming to be God,
00:36:00.76\00:36:02.29
you know,
claiming to forgive sins
00:36:02.32\00:36:03.66
and we use that in
a very appropriate way
00:36:03.69\00:36:05.86
in our evangelist series,
00:36:05.89\00:36:07.80
but I think sometimes we forget
00:36:07.83\00:36:09.56
that there's a
third major aspect
00:36:09.60\00:36:11.23
of that and Paul, Paul
brings it out right here.
00:36:11.27\00:36:13.20
Notice 1 Timothy 1:13,
notice what Paul says here,
00:36:13.23\00:36:19.04
and we're gonna
dig a little deeper
00:36:19.07\00:36:20.41
into the seriousness of
this condemnatory spirit
00:36:20.44\00:36:24.15
that Jesus is
addressing with this measure
00:36:24.18\00:36:26.85
that will be met back to
you or given back to you.
00:36:26.88\00:36:30.19
Notice what he says
here in 1 Timothy 1:13.
00:36:30.22\00:36:34.22
Paul is telling off on himself,
00:36:34.26\00:36:36.89
he is confessing who
he once was, he says,
00:36:36.93\00:36:40.30
"Although I was
formerly a blasphemer,"
00:36:40.33\00:36:43.90
and I know
there's a comma there,
00:36:43.93\00:36:45.27
we're going to
separate the thought,
00:36:45.30\00:36:46.63
but in the original
there's not a comma.
00:36:46.67\00:36:48.00
There is no there is no,
00:36:48.04\00:36:49.37
there's a
continual thought here.
00:36:49.40\00:36:50.74
Notice, "Although I
was formerly a blasphemer,
00:36:50.77\00:36:53.11
a persecutor
and an insolent man,
00:36:53.14\00:36:55.88
but I obtained mercy
00:36:55.91\00:36:57.25
because I did it
ignorantly and unbelief."
00:36:57.28\00:36:59.28
Now what is
Paul addressing here?
00:36:59.31\00:37:01.18
Paul called
himself a blasphemer,
00:37:01.22\00:37:02.58
he blasphemed against God.
00:37:02.62\00:37:03.95
Now how did he
blaspheme against God?
00:37:03.99\00:37:05.79
Well he says, he
was a persecutor.
00:37:05.82\00:37:07.66
What was the foundation
00:37:07.69\00:37:09.52
and the driving
vehicle of that persecution?
00:37:09.56\00:37:12.86
Because he thought
he was doing God a favor
00:37:12.89\00:37:15.53
by playing the role of
God and condemning someone
00:37:15.56\00:37:21.00
that he did not
have the authority to do.
00:37:21.04\00:37:23.51
And so what I wanna just hit
the foundational issue of this,
00:37:23.54\00:37:26.27
I believe, is that
blasphemy is not...
00:37:26.31\00:37:29.24
Sometimes we just nail it
down to three and not you know,
00:37:29.28\00:37:31.68
claiming to be God,
you can be a blasphemer.
00:37:31.71\00:37:35.15
You can blaspheme against God,
00:37:35.18\00:37:37.12
by assuming any authority
that only belongs to God.
00:37:37.15\00:37:39.92
Amen.
00:37:39.95\00:37:41.29
And we are to rightfully
judge according to the authority
00:37:41.32\00:37:43.76
that has been given to us
spiritually from the Bible
00:37:43.79\00:37:47.53
but when it comes to
condemning someone else,
00:37:47.56\00:37:49.43
or telling someone
you're going to go to hell,
00:37:49.46\00:37:51.13
and you're this and
you're that because of something
00:37:51.17\00:37:52.93
they may or may not have done,
00:37:52.97\00:37:54.30
we have to be careful
00:37:54.34\00:37:55.67
because Christ warns
us that same condemnation
00:37:55.70\00:37:58.64
may come upon you
because you're playing my role
00:37:58.67\00:38:01.74
and you are not the
judge, God is the judge.
00:38:01.78\00:38:04.08
And we forget, oh,
00:38:04.11\00:38:05.85
we have a grade
system in our minds for sin.
00:38:05.88\00:38:11.25
That's a grade A sin,
boy, that's a big E, you know,
00:38:11.29\00:38:15.32
and then we come
down to our little sins.
00:38:15.36\00:38:17.43
We say, well, it's not so big.
00:38:17.46\00:38:20.16
And God doesn't
have, in is sin...
00:38:20.20\00:38:22.46
That's right. For a holy God.
00:38:22.50\00:38:23.83
That is true.
00:38:23.87\00:38:25.20
So, that's where
we're making our mistake.
00:38:25.23\00:38:26.87
Even, you know, and that's,
00:38:26.90\00:38:29.77
I think that's why we
are to pray for our enemies,
00:38:29.80\00:38:34.61
love our enemies is
because God loves us
00:38:34.64\00:38:37.71
even when we're enemies.
00:38:37.75\00:38:39.08
Amen.
00:38:39.11\00:38:40.45
And He doesn't
judge us that way.
00:38:40.48\00:38:41.82
And he makes it perfectly clear.
00:38:41.85\00:38:43.18
Forgive and you
will be forgiven.
00:38:43.22\00:38:44.55
Amen. That's right.
00:38:44.59\00:38:45.92
So, you know, I mean,
00:38:45.95\00:38:47.29
that spiritual
love one more time.
00:38:47.32\00:38:48.66
All right, let's get to
one of my favorite scriptures
00:38:48.69\00:38:52.79
and that is Mark 4:24-25.
00:38:52.83\00:38:58.63
Robert, you wanna read that one?
00:38:58.67\00:39:00.47
Yes, I will.
00:39:00.50\00:39:01.84
"Then he said to them,
00:39:01.87\00:39:03.20
'Take heed what you hear
with the same measure you use,
00:39:03.24\00:39:06.07
it will be measured
to you and to you here,
00:39:06.11\00:39:08.88
more will be given.
00:39:08.91\00:39:10.61
For whoever has to
him more will be given,
00:39:10.65\00:39:13.78
but whoever does not
have even what he has
00:39:13.82\00:39:16.08
will be taken away from him.'"
00:39:16.12\00:39:18.85
What a fascinating now,
00:39:18.89\00:39:20.62
let's read it
from the Amplified.
00:39:20.66\00:39:23.96
I love it from the Amplified.
00:39:23.99\00:39:27.20
Mark 4:24-25.
00:39:27.23\00:39:29.63
He said to them,
00:39:29.66\00:39:31.23
"Be careful
what you are hearing.
00:39:31.27\00:39:35.04
The measure of
thought and study you give
00:39:35.07\00:39:39.41
to the truth you hear
00:39:39.44\00:39:42.61
will be the measure
of virtue and knowledge
00:39:42.64\00:39:46.65
that comes back to you
00:39:46.68\00:39:48.92
and more besides will
be given to you who hear.
00:39:48.95\00:39:53.32
And you know the
word hear means literally,
00:39:53.36\00:39:57.43
I mean from the Old Testament
00:39:57.46\00:39:58.96
when it was
saying, hear, O Israel.
00:39:58.99\00:40:01.06
When God said, if you will
hear My voice, it meant to obey.
00:40:01.10\00:40:04.40
Oh, absolutely.
00:40:04.43\00:40:05.77
So he says, let's see,
00:40:05.80\00:40:09.54
the virtual knowledge
that comes back to you more
00:40:09.57\00:40:11.57
besides will be
given to you who hear,
00:40:11.61\00:40:14.31
for to him who has
will more be given,
00:40:14.34\00:40:18.45
from him who has nothing,
00:40:18.48\00:40:21.12
even what he has will
be taken away by force.
00:40:21.15\00:40:25.09
Wow, I just had an epiphany.
00:40:25.12\00:40:28.62
I'd never read that
verse in that light before.
00:40:28.66\00:40:31.49
And you realize what verse 25
00:40:31.53\00:40:34.73
is saying in light
of the previous verses.
00:40:34.76\00:40:36.83
Yeah. That is powerful.
00:40:36.87\00:40:38.50
It is.
00:40:38.53\00:40:40.27
That the
knowledge that you judge by,
00:40:40.30\00:40:42.54
that is powerful.
00:40:42.57\00:40:43.91
The measure of
the thought and study
00:40:43.94\00:40:45.34
you give to the truth you hear.
00:40:45.37\00:40:47.84
So in other words,
00:40:47.88\00:40:49.21
before we go
into a judgment state,
00:40:49.24\00:40:52.11
we have to first
educate ourselves.
00:40:52.15\00:40:54.78
We have to look into
it, study the situation,
00:40:54.82\00:40:57.42
study what it is before we
go to make a judgment on that.
00:40:57.45\00:41:01.26
That was a Holy
Spirit light bulb moment.
00:41:01.29\00:41:03.06
Yeah.
00:41:03.09\00:41:04.43
What's amazing to me
is that there is a verse
00:41:04.46\00:41:07.26
and I'd have to find it.
00:41:07.30\00:41:08.80
But basically what it says
is, you can know all things.
00:41:08.83\00:41:13.80
1 Corinthians 13.
00:41:13.84\00:41:16.00
You can have
everything down path
00:41:16.04\00:41:18.71
but if you don't have
love, you have nothing.
00:41:18.74\00:41:21.11
That's right.
00:41:21.14\00:41:22.48
And I think that's the
summary for all of this.
00:41:22.51\00:41:25.08
You supposed
to, you have to guys
00:41:25.11\00:41:26.45
looking for us to
love our neighbors,
00:41:26.48\00:41:28.25
whether the
neighbor is right or wrong,
00:41:28.28\00:41:29.98
he's looking for
that love in ourselves.
00:41:30.02\00:41:32.35
And if we don't have that love,
00:41:32.39\00:41:34.19
that's what condemns us.
00:41:34.22\00:41:36.36
So let's talk about this
then, in the context of love.
00:41:36.39\00:41:40.20
To me, what Mark 4:24
is saying is, you listen,
00:41:40.23\00:41:46.00
and you respond, as
you put into practice,
00:41:46.03\00:41:50.91
that which you are being taught.
00:41:50.94\00:41:53.21
You know, sometimes I'll study
something out really deeply.
00:41:53.24\00:41:58.01
And man, it's good stuff
but then if I don't go teach it
00:41:58.05\00:42:03.02
or if I'm not putting it
into practice, guess what?
00:42:03.05\00:42:07.36
I'll find it again a year later,
00:42:07.39\00:42:10.03
and I'm reading it
and going, oh, wow.
00:42:10.06\00:42:14.26
So, to me when he says,
00:42:14.30\00:42:17.40
be careful what you're hearing.
00:42:17.43\00:42:19.00
First of all, we need
to be hearing the truth.
00:42:19.03\00:42:21.80
You need to be
careful what you're hearing,
00:42:21.84\00:42:24.37
you know and if
you don't know enough
00:42:24.41\00:42:26.94
to discern the truth,
00:42:26.98\00:42:29.04
stick to the Word of God,
sometimes, now I love to read,
00:42:29.08\00:42:32.91
but some books
you got to know enough
00:42:32.95\00:42:35.82
to where you can say,
00:42:35.85\00:42:37.59
well, this author's
off a little bit here
00:42:37.62\00:42:39.62
or they are off, you know,
00:42:39.65\00:42:41.42
I was reading a
paraphrase Bible the other day,
00:42:41.46\00:42:45.16
a New Living type version,
00:42:45.19\00:42:47.76
and it's really interesting,
but then you come to one
00:42:47.80\00:42:50.90
that you knew
was an interpretation
00:42:50.93\00:42:53.34
and you're on, let's
scratch that part out.
00:42:53.37\00:42:56.60
But be careful what you hear
00:42:56.64\00:42:59.54
and then the measure of
thought and study you give
00:42:59.57\00:43:04.31
to what you do here,
00:43:04.35\00:43:06.61
the more you put
it into practice,
00:43:06.65\00:43:09.75
then it's only
when you're practicing
00:43:09.78\00:43:12.32
the Word of God
that he can help.
00:43:12.35\00:43:13.76
I mean that you're
open to Him to receive more.
00:43:13.79\00:43:17.09
You had a thought
on this, didn't you?
00:43:17.13\00:43:18.66
I was gonna say,
in preparing for this,
00:43:18.69\00:43:20.26
I haven't heard
quite the perspective
00:43:20.30\00:43:22.96
that I was coming
from or getting from this.
00:43:23.00\00:43:24.77
Sure.
00:43:24.80\00:43:26.13
And it was more that,
00:43:26.17\00:43:27.50
I guess I was my
more analytical side
00:43:27.54\00:43:28.87
was looking at the word measure
00:43:28.90\00:43:30.41
and the word measure
means to compare to a standard.
00:43:30.44\00:43:33.94
And so I've come through,
00:43:33.98\00:43:35.34
come to this whole study a
little bit differently for me
00:43:35.38\00:43:37.85
from where I'm at
00:43:37.88\00:43:39.21
and that measurement, all these,
00:43:39.25\00:43:41.48
every time I see
the word measure,
00:43:41.52\00:43:42.85
I see comparison to standard,
and Jesus is our standard.
00:43:42.88\00:43:46.15
Amen.
00:43:46.19\00:43:47.52
And he said
earlier in the study,
00:43:47.56\00:43:50.13
the word focus came out of
your mouth what we focus on.
00:43:50.16\00:43:52.83
So I see this
all as a viewpoint,
00:43:52.86\00:43:57.17
a focus, a
perspective, a standard.
00:43:57.20\00:44:00.20
So the measure is
not, for me at least
00:44:00.24\00:44:03.24
where I'm
interpreting now is not,
00:44:03.27\00:44:05.97
it's not a quantity of stuff.
00:44:06.01\00:44:07.81
It's a standard by
which we're comparing.
00:44:07.84\00:44:11.18
It's a person.
00:44:11.21\00:44:12.55
It's a person.
00:44:12.58\00:44:13.92
And for me,
00:44:13.95\00:44:15.28
I've been kind
of camping recently
00:44:15.32\00:44:16.65
on the word Behold and my,
00:44:16.69\00:44:19.42
and there's a lot there
00:44:19.45\00:44:20.99
but so in my one
of my duties here
00:44:21.02\00:44:22.82
at 3ABN is to edit
the Sabbath School panel
00:44:22.86\00:44:25.79
and that's really rewarding.
00:44:25.83\00:44:27.50
I enjoy it and but I get
to sit and listen to YouTube
00:44:27.53\00:44:31.93
and among others, and in fact,
00:44:31.97\00:44:34.14
sometimes I'll go down the hall,
00:44:34.17\00:44:35.57
you know, spend hours editing,
00:44:35.60\00:44:37.57
looking at these
guys listening to them,
00:44:37.61\00:44:39.31
it's a great
privilege and a benefit.
00:44:39.34\00:44:40.81
Oh, praise the Lord.
00:44:40.84\00:44:42.18
But then I'll get up
to go get drink water
00:44:42.21\00:44:43.55
and I'll run into one of
you and I'm like, it's great,
00:44:43.58\00:44:45.18
it's kind of a
weird situation anyway.
00:44:45.21\00:44:46.55
I bet it is. It's a lot.
00:44:46.58\00:44:48.52
Anyway, I was
listening the other day.
00:44:48.55\00:44:49.95
Recently, Pastor
Kenny Shelton said something
00:44:49.98\00:44:52.89
and you know,
you've heard that saying
00:44:52.92\00:44:54.26
that we become like the
people we hang around with
00:44:54.29\00:44:56.99
a more modern
version would be like
00:44:57.03\00:44:58.39
you are the compilation
00:44:58.43\00:45:00.00
of your five people you
hang around with the most.
00:45:00.03\00:45:03.10
Anyway, he was doing
Sabbath School panel,
00:45:03.13\00:45:04.80
he said something
almost as a little throwaway.
00:45:04.83\00:45:07.10
And you know how
when you have that moment
00:45:07.14\00:45:08.47
like you just get
hit by a thunderbolt?
00:45:08.50\00:45:10.74
And he just said,
00:45:10.77\00:45:12.41
simply that you
become what you behold,
00:45:12.44\00:45:16.71
a man that God just
stopped you on track.
00:45:16.75\00:45:19.45
Absolutely.
00:45:19.48\00:45:20.82
And I've been camping on that
for weeks now just beholding.
00:45:20.85\00:45:22.18
Can I read something?
00:45:22.22\00:45:23.55
I want to read
this because I love it.
00:45:23.59\00:45:25.79
And it's in 2
Corinthians 3:18, isn't it?
00:45:25.82\00:45:29.59
Where is, where is it?
00:45:29.62\00:45:30.99
I'm in 1 Corinthians.
00:45:31.03\00:45:32.76
I just love that
when you're ready to read
00:45:32.79\00:45:36.43
2 Corinthians 3:18
00:45:36.46\00:45:39.30
is where this
principle comes from.
00:45:39.33\00:45:43.00
Paul says, "We all
with an unveiled face
00:45:43.04\00:45:47.71
beholding as in a
mirror the glory of the Lord,
00:45:47.74\00:45:51.71
are being
transformed into the same image
00:45:51.75\00:45:55.25
from glory to glory,
00:45:55.28\00:45:57.35
just as by the
Spirit of the Lord."
00:45:57.39\00:46:00.22
One time the Lord.
00:46:00.26\00:46:02.72
You know, I love to
pray God's promises.
00:46:02.76\00:46:05.96
So I am praying this
promise and I'm saying,
00:46:05.99\00:46:09.33
and I know that he
calls things that are not
00:46:09.36\00:46:11.53
as though they already were.
00:46:11.57\00:46:12.90
But I am praying and saying,
00:46:12.93\00:46:14.57
Oh Lord, thank you
00:46:14.60\00:46:15.94
that You're
leading me by Your Spirit
00:46:15.97\00:46:17.67
from glory to glory,
00:46:17.71\00:46:19.24
from one level of
your character to the next.
00:46:19.27\00:46:22.61
And, you know, by
beholding You in the mirrors,
00:46:22.64\00:46:25.91
this is what I
think of this the mirror,
00:46:25.95\00:46:28.22
that that You're leading
me to become more like You
00:46:28.25\00:46:31.45
and all of a sudden,
and you guys know me,
00:46:31.49\00:46:33.59
I'm not a weepy woman.
00:46:33.62\00:46:35.12
But in the presence
of the Lord, I can be.
00:46:35.16\00:46:37.99
And all of a sudden,
I'm weeping and saying
00:46:38.03\00:46:40.26
Lord, I don't feel like
I'm becoming more like you.
00:46:40.30\00:46:43.20
I mean, I know this is one that
00:46:43.23\00:46:45.73
that I'm calling something
00:46:45.77\00:46:47.80
that's not as
though it already were.
00:46:47.84\00:46:50.14
And God gave me the
most incredible vision.
00:46:50.17\00:46:54.08
And I used that
word and some people say
00:46:54.11\00:46:56.11
who do you think you are?
00:46:56.14\00:46:57.48
Yeah.
00:46:57.51\00:46:59.85
Have you ever prayed
and while you're praying,
00:46:59.88\00:47:02.95
it's suddenly like
there's a little movie going on.
00:47:02.98\00:47:06.19
And what I saw was the steps
00:47:06.22\00:47:10.59
that went way up into the clouds
00:47:10.63\00:47:13.19
and I am running along,
00:47:13.23\00:47:14.83
maybe like on
the third of the way.
00:47:14.86\00:47:17.17
I'm running along this step
00:47:17.20\00:47:19.17
and I'm looking over my shoulder
00:47:19.20\00:47:21.07
and all of a sudden,
wham, I hit the wall.
00:47:21.10\00:47:24.51
And oh, I forgot to tell you
00:47:24.54\00:47:26.11
that when I was
praying as God says,
00:47:26.14\00:47:28.81
I will soon explain to you
the wall that you are heading.
00:47:28.84\00:47:34.58
And I'm like,
"Oh, that was just me.
00:47:34.62\00:47:37.75
I mean, I heard
the still small voice.
00:47:37.79\00:47:39.29
It wasn't a voice
speaking out loud.
00:47:39.32\00:47:42.82
But when he said that,
00:47:42.86\00:47:44.19
it gave me so much hope
00:47:44.23\00:47:45.56
because it was like,
yeah, I'm hitting a wall.
00:47:45.59\00:47:49.93
Right. So I hit the wall.
00:47:49.96\00:47:52.37
The wall turned out to be
the side of the next step.
00:47:52.40\00:47:56.64
And it's like,
Lord, what do I do now?
00:47:56.67\00:47:59.74
You know, I mean,
I want to come up.
00:47:59.77\00:48:03.11
And you know what he said to me?
00:48:03.14\00:48:05.95
The wall of
resistance is what he called it.
00:48:05.98\00:48:07.75
Right.
00:48:07.78\00:48:09.12
He said,
00:48:09.15\00:48:10.49
"The wall of
resistance that you are hitting
00:48:10.52\00:48:13.32
is the wall of
self preservation."
00:48:13.36\00:48:19.06
How strong is
that, think about that.
00:48:19.09\00:48:20.96
Wow.
00:48:21.00\00:48:22.33
The wall of
resistance you're hitting
00:48:22.36\00:48:23.70
is the wall of
self preservation.
00:48:23.73\00:48:26.77
So in order to go to
the next level of His glory,
00:48:26.80\00:48:30.74
you become like who you behold,
00:48:30.77\00:48:33.34
but to go to the
next level of this glory,
00:48:33.38\00:48:35.94
I had to be willing
to give up more of self.
00:48:35.98\00:48:39.15
And then it's like,
Lord, how do I get there?
00:48:39.18\00:48:41.98
Well, you know,
David said in 2 Samuel,
00:48:42.02\00:48:45.02
he says, "By my God,
I leap over the wall."
00:48:45.05\00:48:48.66
So he reaches down
with his mighty right hand
00:48:48.69\00:48:50.93
when we're ready to give
up a little more of self.
00:48:50.96\00:48:54.66
God reaches
down and pulls us up.
00:48:54.70\00:48:58.23
Isn't that what love is?
00:48:58.27\00:48:59.87
Love is giving up
himself. Absolutely.
00:48:59.90\00:49:02.70
That is where
everything revolves around.
00:49:02.74\00:49:04.07
Sure.
00:49:04.11\00:49:05.44
I think of a
little story really quick.
00:49:05.47\00:49:08.71
I was really young.
00:49:08.74\00:49:10.08
And I was always
fascinated with science.
00:49:10.11\00:49:13.35
And I read the science book
00:49:13.38\00:49:14.72
that a diamond was the
hardest substance on earth.
00:49:14.75\00:49:18.85
So my mother was in the shower,
00:49:18.89\00:49:20.26
she was a Baptist and
she had a wedding ring.
00:49:20.29\00:49:23.66
And I went,
took her wedding ring
00:49:23.69\00:49:25.43
and I took it
down to the basement
00:49:25.46\00:49:27.43
and I popped a little diamond
out of it on the concrete
00:49:27.46\00:49:30.50
and got a hammer and
whacked it as an experiment
00:49:30.53\00:49:33.44
because a diamond is the
hardest substance on earth.
00:49:33.47\00:49:36.30
I expected the
hammer to bounce back,
00:49:36.34\00:49:38.04
the diamond
would still be there,
00:49:38.07\00:49:40.08
well, it shattered all around,
00:49:40.11\00:49:41.54
it shattered like
powder on the ground
00:49:41.58\00:49:43.85
and I started crying.
00:49:43.88\00:49:46.65
And I went to my mom,
and I showed her the ring.
00:49:46.68\00:49:49.98
And I showed her the
basement and I was on the floor.
00:49:50.02\00:49:53.69
I deserve the spanking
or I deserve something.
00:49:53.72\00:49:57.79
And my mother does
hug me and she said baby.
00:49:57.83\00:50:01.10
I still remember that
she just said baby, you know,
00:50:01.13\00:50:03.93
that really
warmed me right there,
00:50:03.97\00:50:05.33
my mother practiced love.
00:50:05.37\00:50:08.57
Praise the Lord.
00:50:08.60\00:50:09.94
She was more liberal with others
00:50:09.97\00:50:11.31
than she would be
with her, with herself.
00:50:11.34\00:50:13.07
Yeah.
00:50:13.11\00:50:14.44
And I think that's
what the Lord does with us.
00:50:14.48\00:50:15.91
Absolutely.
00:50:15.94\00:50:17.28
He sees our flaws,
He sees our mistakes.
00:50:17.31\00:50:18.65
He sees the silly
things that we do.
00:50:18.68\00:50:20.88
Sure. Yet He practices love.
00:50:20.92\00:50:22.48
That's right.
That is His measure.
00:50:22.52\00:50:24.72
Absolutely. You
know, I have to go back.
00:50:24.75\00:50:27.52
I mentioned I had
an epiphany earlier.
00:50:27.56\00:50:32.13
Let's read these verses again.
00:50:32.16\00:50:34.33
We often isolate this
text from Mark Chapter 4,
00:50:34.36\00:50:37.60
where it says take
heed, what you hear
00:50:37.63\00:50:40.47
with the same measure you use,
00:50:40.50\00:50:41.87
it will be measured to you
00:50:41.90\00:50:44.57
and to you who
hear more will be given
00:50:44.61\00:50:46.54
and then verse 25.
00:50:46.57\00:50:47.91
I've read this
for many, many years
00:50:47.94\00:50:49.28
and I didn't quite
fully understand it.
00:50:49.31\00:50:51.21
Notice this,
"For who whoever has
00:50:51.25\00:50:53.21
to him more will be given,
00:50:53.25\00:50:54.75
but whoever does not have
00:50:54.78\00:50:56.12
even what he has
will be taken away."
00:50:56.15\00:50:57.99
So we often also obviously,
00:50:58.02\00:50:59.39
sometimes isolate that text
00:50:59.42\00:51:01.09
and we often think
you know more people
00:51:01.12\00:51:03.12
who have more and more
given people who have less,
00:51:03.16\00:51:05.09
and we kind of
generalize that text
00:51:05.13\00:51:07.30
but if you read it
within context, notice,
00:51:07.33\00:51:09.63
notice Matthew Chapter
4, the context of Matthew 4,
00:51:09.66\00:51:12.93
Christ has just given
the Parable of the Sower.
00:51:12.97\00:51:14.54
Absolutely. That's right.
00:51:14.57\00:51:16.50
And then right above,
00:51:16.54\00:51:17.87
right below that the
Parable of the Sower,
00:51:17.91\00:51:19.77
which is above verse
24 that we just read,
00:51:19.81\00:51:22.71
notice what He says here,
00:51:22.74\00:51:24.11
is the lamp brought
00:51:24.15\00:51:25.91
to be put under a
basket or under a bed.
00:51:25.95\00:51:28.85
So what is often
we liken a lamp unto,
00:51:28.88\00:51:33.36
or the Word of God
is likened unto the lamp
00:51:33.39\00:51:35.09
to my feet, a
light unto our path.
00:51:35.12\00:51:36.83
And then if you read
the Amplified Version
00:51:36.86\00:51:38.69
that we just read,
00:51:38.73\00:51:40.06
it just really kind
of helped bring this.
00:51:40.10\00:51:41.70
It says here,
00:51:41.73\00:51:43.10
and he said to them,
00:51:43.13\00:51:44.47
"Be careful what you
are hearing the measure."
00:51:44.50\00:51:46.53
Notice in parentheses here,
of thought and study, you give
00:51:46.57\00:51:50.37
and then in parentheses again
00:51:50.41\00:51:52.37
to the truth you
hear will be measured,
00:51:52.41\00:51:56.44
will be the measure
and then in parentheses
00:51:56.48\00:51:58.55
of virtue and knowledge
notice, that comes back to you.
00:51:58.58\00:52:03.08
So you read this in
context of Mark Chapter 4
00:52:03.12\00:52:07.76
when Christ says for whoever has
00:52:07.79\00:52:10.76
to him will be more given
and whoever does not have,
00:52:10.79\00:52:13.96
even what he has will
be taken away from him
00:52:14.00\00:52:16.33
in context in this
passage will come...
00:52:16.36\00:52:18.33
And in the
Amplified, it's by force.
00:52:18.37\00:52:21.50
Yeah.
00:52:21.54\00:52:22.87
It's the devil
00:52:22.90\00:52:24.24
picking that seed
off of the hard ground.
00:52:24.27\00:52:25.61
Absolutely, so when knowledge
comes to us, we have, you know,
00:52:25.64\00:52:29.61
we have a
responsibility to exercise,
00:52:29.64\00:52:32.38
good judgment to receive
that light when it comes.
00:52:32.41\00:52:35.38
And another text
that came to my mind
00:52:35.42\00:52:37.49
in connection with this
is 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.
00:52:37.52\00:52:41.42
Notice what Paul says
here, we read it all the time.
00:52:41.46\00:52:43.22
But notice verse 10,
00:52:43.26\00:52:44.63
"And with all
unrighteous deception
00:52:44.66\00:52:46.33
among those who perish,
00:52:46.36\00:52:47.80
because they did not
receive the love of the truth
00:52:47.83\00:52:49.66
that they might be saved.
00:52:49.70\00:52:51.03
And for this reason,
00:52:51.07\00:52:52.40
God will send
them strong delusion
00:52:52.43\00:52:53.77
that they should believe a lie."
00:52:53.80\00:52:55.80
Continue to believe that lie,
00:52:55.84\00:52:57.27
so when you read that
in the measure you use.
00:52:57.31\00:53:01.44
When God sends you lie,
00:53:01.48\00:53:03.04
when God sends you
truth, that's powerful.
00:53:03.08\00:53:04.85
I never considered it this way,
00:53:04.88\00:53:06.21
when God sends you
life too much that has,
00:53:06.25\00:53:08.75
in other words, in
order for you to have,
00:53:08.78\00:53:10.12
you have to receive.
00:53:10.15\00:53:11.49
If you come to me and say,
00:53:11.52\00:53:12.85
Man, I'm gonna give
you a million dollars,
00:53:12.89\00:53:14.22
I have to receive
that million dollars.
00:53:14.26\00:53:16.06
And so God is
saying too much has,
00:53:16.09\00:53:18.43
in other words, you
received that light,
00:53:18.46\00:53:20.03
you've received
that wonderful blessing
00:53:20.06\00:53:23.16
that God has given you.
00:53:23.20\00:53:24.53
If you've received it,
and you have much of that,
00:53:24.57\00:53:26.43
he's going to
continue to give you more
00:53:26.47\00:53:27.80
because your receiver
of that which is good,
00:53:27.84\00:53:30.17
but you, if you reject that,
00:53:30.21\00:53:31.54
and therefore you have none.
00:53:31.57\00:53:33.54
In fact, the New
King James Version,
00:53:33.58\00:53:35.01
notice what it says
here, we just read it,
00:53:35.04\00:53:37.48
not the Amplified
00:53:37.51\00:53:38.85
but the New King
James it ends with
00:53:38.88\00:53:40.22
it says here, to
him, more will be given,
00:53:40.25\00:53:42.52
but whoever does not have
00:53:42.55\00:53:45.62
even what he has
will be taken away.
00:53:45.65\00:53:48.09
So in other words, you know,
that's to me, that's important
00:53:48.12\00:53:50.86
because when you're
talking about this subject,
00:53:50.89\00:53:52.29
the measure you use,
exercising righteous judgment,
00:53:52.33\00:53:55.70
we have, we
have a responsibility
00:53:55.73\00:53:58.60
on the part of
ourselves as Christians.
00:53:58.63\00:54:00.00
Amen.
00:54:00.04\00:54:01.37
That in order to be
able to stay in the Lord
00:54:01.40\00:54:03.27
and to exercise
righteous judgment,
00:54:03.30\00:54:05.31
we have to be open to receive.
00:54:05.34\00:54:07.18
We have to be open
to receive the blessings
00:54:07.21\00:54:09.34
and the knowledge and the wisdom
00:54:09.38\00:54:10.71
and the truth He has given us
00:54:10.75\00:54:12.08
so that we can
receive more and more from Him
00:54:12.11\00:54:14.62
to exercise that good judgment,
00:54:14.65\00:54:17.29
that that mercy
and that compassion
00:54:17.32\00:54:18.92
and that love can
pour forth from us
00:54:18.95\00:54:20.69
as a good example to others.
00:54:20.72\00:54:22.66
So I have a question. Yeah.
00:54:22.69\00:54:24.26
Everywhere that I read measure,
00:54:24.29\00:54:27.20
if I replace it
with love, does that fit?
00:54:27.23\00:54:30.67
I think so. So
is love the measure?
00:54:30.70\00:54:33.67
That's my
question. That's really...
00:54:33.70\00:54:35.60
Absolutely man.
00:54:35.64\00:54:36.97
Fabulous question.
00:54:37.01\00:54:38.34
Because you had
said earlier, Robert,
00:54:38.37\00:54:41.58
that the measure is a
standard and you know,
00:54:41.61\00:54:45.65
when you said
that love is unselfish,
00:54:45.68\00:54:47.55
we don't think of that,
00:54:47.58\00:54:48.98
we're not talking
about the word love
00:54:49.02\00:54:51.02
in the English language,
00:54:51.05\00:54:52.82
because love can be very selfish
00:54:52.85\00:54:54.72
if it's just among two people.
00:54:54.76\00:54:56.83
I can do all
kinds of good things
00:54:56.86\00:54:58.39
for this man here just
so he'll be good to me.
00:54:58.43\00:55:01.20
It can be selfish,
I'm wanting something,
00:55:01.23\00:55:04.13
you know, I'm wanting his love.
00:55:04.17\00:55:05.67
God's love is totally unselfish.
00:55:05.70\00:55:09.00
When you think of,
the creator of the world
00:55:09.04\00:55:11.21
came down and died on a cross.
00:55:11.24\00:55:12.71
Right.
00:55:12.74\00:55:14.08
I mean, first He
became a human being,
00:55:14.11\00:55:16.34
I cannot imagine that.
00:55:16.38\00:55:18.51
So, yes, the
measure is the love of God.
00:55:18.55\00:55:22.85
Praise God. It is Christ.
00:55:22.88\00:55:24.59
It is Christ. God is love.
00:55:24.62\00:55:26.82
Halleluiah. Praise God.
00:55:26.86\00:55:29.16
That's amazing. Halleluiah.
00:55:29.19\00:55:31.26
I want to say one quick thing.
00:55:31.29\00:55:32.63
I know we're
running out of time.
00:55:32.66\00:55:34.00
So I just want to say this.
00:55:34.03\00:55:35.83
I'm telling on myself,
00:55:35.86\00:55:37.77
but you know, even in prayer,
00:55:37.80\00:55:41.07
if you wanna hear the
voice of the Lord, for me,
00:55:41.10\00:55:45.87
15 minutes of prayer
isn't gonna get it done.
00:55:45.91\00:55:49.58
I mean, it takes
where Jesus said,
00:55:49.61\00:55:52.78
"Can you not tarry an hour."
00:55:52.81\00:55:54.35
It takes some time really,
00:55:54.38\00:55:58.09
presenting all my praise
00:55:58.12\00:55:59.75
and Thanksgiving and giving Him,
00:55:59.79\00:56:02.32
you know, praying back His word
00:56:02.36\00:56:04.09
and then listening for
that still small voice.
00:56:04.13\00:56:07.33
You know what, can you imagine?
00:56:07.36\00:56:09.70
I did that every
day for almost 12 years,
00:56:09.73\00:56:12.53
an hour a day
00:56:12.57\00:56:14.00
and I heard the
voice of the Lord
00:56:14.04\00:56:16.14
almost every day and I
mean, the still small voice.
00:56:16.17\00:56:19.21
But guess what?
00:56:19.24\00:56:20.78
When I get so busy
that I don't do that.
00:56:20.81\00:56:24.05
I don't hear that.
00:56:24.08\00:56:25.41
And I was
praying this past weekend
00:56:25.45\00:56:28.02
and saying, Lord, how
can I hear your voice?
00:56:28.05\00:56:31.82
And I mean,
00:56:31.85\00:56:33.19
God doesn't speak
volumes to me, few sentences,
00:56:33.22\00:56:36.96
and He usually says, look it up.
00:56:36.99\00:56:38.99
But sometimes what we
have, if we don't practice it,
00:56:39.03\00:56:44.60
the measure of
thought and study you use
00:56:44.63\00:56:47.10
will be the measure
that's given back to you.
00:56:47.14\00:56:48.80
Wow.
00:56:48.84\00:56:50.17
Wow, praise the Lord.
00:56:50.21\00:56:51.54
We're out of
time. Thank you so much.
00:56:51.57\00:56:54.81
Thank you first, we'll
start with you, Robert,
00:56:54.84\00:56:57.21
that the measure is a person.
00:56:57.25\00:56:58.71
That's right.
00:56:58.75\00:57:00.08
And that you've
said the measure is love
00:57:00.12\00:57:01.45
'cause we know
the person is love.
00:57:01.48\00:57:03.35
God is love. Amen.
00:57:03.39\00:57:05.25
And thank you for
sharing that epiphany.
00:57:05.29\00:57:08.06
And thank you, JD, for
those incredible stories.
00:57:08.09\00:57:12.69
I love his
insight, it's so powerful.
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I know, I know.
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We are so glad that
you joined us tonight
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and we hope that you
have a very blessed Sabbath.
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But our prayer for you
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is that the grace of our
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
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the love of the
Father, and the fellowship
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of the Holy
Spirit will be yours,
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not just the
Sabbath, but every day.
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God bless you.
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