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life mending broken people ¤
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my life removing pain ¤
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¤ Lord let my words
heal a heart that hurts ¤
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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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Hello friends and welcome to
another edition of 3ABN Today
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I'm your host Ryan Day and as
always we want to thank you for
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joining us each and every
day each and every week because
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obviously the Three Angels
Broadcasting Network would not
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exist if it weren't for you. We
know that God uses you with your
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love, your prayers, and support
that you extend to us each and
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every week. We're so thankful
and privileged to be able to be
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a part of the 3ABN Family with
you. And so today is not going
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to disappoint at all because
we have the 1888 Message Study
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Committee in the house. And I'm
excited about this because this
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is a topic that I've been
studying for a long time. I'm
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certainly not a scholar. In
fact I'm expecting to learn some
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stuff today. But just a quick
introduction. We're going to
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come back and get a full
introduction. We've got Drs.
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Brian Schwartz and
Lindy Schwartz with us and
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then we also have Dr. Kelly
Kinsley with us. It's a blessing
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to have you guys and
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they're locked and loaded.
As you can see that've got their
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Bibles, they've got their notes
and you're not going to want to
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change the channel. So before
we get into the meat of this
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discussion we're going to
be blessed by Ms. Jennifer
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LaMountain. She's going to be
bringing us a beautiful song, a
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medley, two songs. They're
entitled How Big is God and of
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course the classic
How Great Thou Art.
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¤ Though men may strive to
go beyond the reach of space ¤
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¤ To crawl beyond the
distant glimmering stars ¤
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¤ This world's a room so
small within my Master's house ¤
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¤ The open sky its but
a portion of His yard ¤
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¤ The winter's chill may
cause a tiny seed to fall ¤
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¤ To lie asleep till
waked by summer's rain ¤
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¤ The heart grown cold will
warm and throb with life anew ¤
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¤ The Master's touch
will bring the glow again ¤
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¤ How big is God, how big
and wide His vast domain ¤
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¤ To try to tell,
these lips can only start ¤
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¤ He's big enough to
rule His mighty universe ¤
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¤ Yet small enough to
live within my heart ¤
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¤ How big is God, How
big is God How big is God ¤
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¤ How great Thou
art, How great Thou art ¤
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¤ Then sings my soul
my Savior God to Thee ¤
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¤ How great Thou
art, How great Thou art ¤
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¤ How great my gratefulness
How great Thou art ¤
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¤ How great Thou art ¤
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Amen, amen. I love Sister
Jennifer LaMountain. Always a
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blessing to have her bless us
with a beautiful song. She's a
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dear soul, a dear friend, so
thank you Jennifer for sharing
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that with us. Just a great
song to set the mood. We serve a
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great and mighty God and
He showed up and did something
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in 1888 and you may be at home
right now watching this saying
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You know what I'm going to tune
in to this because maybe you've
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had questions about the
significance of what happened
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in the church in 1888. What is
the significance. We're going to
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answer a lot of your questions
during this program. If you have
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any friends, family members
or anyone that is just kind of
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lurking around the house, drag
them in the room right now, set
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them down because this is going
to be a powerful program that
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we all need to learn about.
And so that being said I want to
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again introduce you guys and
then I'm going to have you to
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tell us a little bit more about
yourself. I'm going to start
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with you, Dr. Brian Schwartz
Tell us a little bit about
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yourself your background,
where you're from. There may be
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someone watching at home that
doesn't know who you guys are
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and would like to know.
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Yeah absolutely. Thank
you, Ryan. Thank you for the
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opportunity to be back to 3ABN.
I am a physician. Both Lindy and
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I are. We live in the Dayton,
Ohio area Practice Cardiology at
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the Kettering Medical Center. I
grew up in Michigan and went to
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Andrews University and then met
Lindy at Loma Linda University
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Medical School. In fact, met
Kelly out there as well so we've
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been friends for
a very long time.
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Amen, praise the Lord. And you
Dr. Lindy. Tell us a little bit
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about yourself.
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Yes and I want to thank
you, Ryan for hosting us and for
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being the occasion to come back
to 3ABN It really is a blessing.
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So yes so I was born and raised
actually in the West Indies. My
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family immigrated to the
states a while ago but I was a
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youngster, a young person
actually in high school when I
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came to the states. But we grew
up Seventh-day Adventist. My dad
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actually worked in the
conference office down in
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Trinidad. But when we came to
the states, my family lives in
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Washington State by Walla Walla
I went to Walla Walla College
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back in those days. Now it's a
university. But anyway but again
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we met at Loma Linda University
Medical School and been married
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for 33 years and
we're very proud of it.
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Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord
Well it's a blessing to have you
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both here. And of course at the
end of this big table we have
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Dr. Kelly Kinsley. Tell us
a little bit about yourself
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brother.
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Thank you. I want to thank you
also Ryan for having us here and
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I really appreciate it. I
come from the north coast of
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California. We call this redwood
country. I mean it is the real
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redwoods. So that's where I
practice. I'm a physician up
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there. And I didn't grow up in
the Adventist church. I grew up
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in a different denomination.
We didn't really study the Bible
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much. But what turned me on is
my mom was given Bible studies
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by a nurse friend of hers and
I would just listen in and my
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interest in the Bible grew.
And so I'm thankful. I graduated
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from Lodi Academy and Pacific
Union College and Loma Linda
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University. It's just a pleasure
to be here and talk about this
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subject as something I love.
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Amen, amen. Well it's a blessing
to have each and every one of
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you guys and I know we're going
to spend the next few minutes
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together. We're going to be
unpacking the significance of
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what happened in the church in
1888. You hear that date float
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around a lot in people's
conversations. I know that I
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have preached many sermons
where I've included quotes and
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information pertaining to the
significance that Righteousness
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by faith message in 1888 but I
just want to start by asking you
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guys...You know there was once
a time probably in your lives
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when you didn't know about
1888 or the significance of what
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happened in the church and how
that message eventually would
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impact you. But what was your
Christian experience like or
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your mentality like before
adopting or embracing the 1888
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message.
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(Everybody talking at
once) Yeah. Who'll start?
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So yeah I'm 3rd and
4th generation Seventh-day
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Adventist. So I grew up going
to Adventist schools but I can
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remember even as a young person
feeling that at some point I was
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going to do something wrong that
wouldn't meet God's standard and
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I just felt inside my heart
that try as hard as I could I
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couldn't achieve the level
of righteousness that I knew was
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required. I remember going to
Academy and thinking all right
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this is the year that I'm
going to be perfect. I became a
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Sabbath School teacher and got
really involved with reading my
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Bible. That didn't last too long
I knew I was just going to fail
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this year. And little by little
by the time I went to college
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I kind of stopped going to
church. I believe there was a
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God. I believe the Adventist
message was true but I knew that
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deep inside my heart I wasn't
good enough and I was never
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going to be able to be. And
so that was for other people who
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had a lot more willpower and a
lot more strength and were just
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a lot more naturally righteous
than I was. And so I actually
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left the Adventist church when I
got my acceptance to Loma Linda
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to medical school. The one thing
I wanted to get. I didn't go to
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church until May of my very
first year at Loma Linda when I
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believed that God sent me a
personal vision. At 2 o'clock in
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the morning I can still remember
it like the day. Sound asleep,
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woke up looking straight up and
I could still see Jesus coming
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in the clouds. People around
me were saying Praise the Lord,
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Jesus is coming and Hallelujah
Jesus is coming. I tried to
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raise my hand, I tried to say
Praise the Lord and I couldn't.
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Right then and there I knelt
down beside my bed. I said, Lord
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I know I've been running away
from you. I want to study your
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Bible, I know you're calling for
me one more time but I am not
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going to be a Seventh-day
Adventist. I went on a journey
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searching for truth over
the next couple of years until I
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discovered this message.
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All right. We'll get back
to that when you discovered it.
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So what about you? Before this
1888 message came into your life
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to your understanding
what was your experience like?
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So I was a "good" Seventh-day
Adventist. I was always going to
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be a Seventh-day Adventist.
I didn't have any inkling of
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leaving the church because I
knew it was the right church.
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As to what I believed was
interesting because I believed
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that the book of John was
wonderful. That's all you needed
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the gospel of John which
is powerful. I still love the
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gospel of John today. Fantastic
material. But there's more to
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the gospel than that. When I
met Brian, he asked me a lot of
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questions about good Adventist
things that I knew nothing about
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Things like even the cleansing
of the sanctuary and the nature
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of Christ and I said well what
in the world is all of that? But
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when we actually discovered
the message together and when I
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started studying it put
everything in context so it made
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sense. And I've been on
fire ever since. We've come in
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contact with the message was it
198(6) 7. Changed my spiritual
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experience, my relationship with
God completely. And I believe
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the message is so
powerful it can transform lives.
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Amen, praise the Lord,
praise the Lord. Dr. Kelly...
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Ryan, I started to answer this
question but as I said I didn't
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grow up a Seventh-day Adventist
but after I was baptized I kind
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of did all the Seventh-day
Adventist stuff. I kind of knew
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the basics but there was so much
I didn't know and when I went to
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PUC (Pacific Union College)
the Lord showed me a couple of
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things. One is He taught me
about the sanctuary. I had no
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clue about that. And I picked
up this book The Cross and Its
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Shadow. I love that. And I
started...I had this desire I
need to know the Bible
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for myself. I took a Bible class
at PUC and it was a doctrinal
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studies class where we learned
a set of doctrines. The next
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quarter I couldn't take it from
this amazing teacher again. I
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had to take it from another
teacher and there were some
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differences and I realized I
needed to study this for myself.
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So I started studying the Bible
and the Lord led me to the PUC
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bookstore and I found this
little book in there called
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Lessons on Faith. And that book,
many people will testify, that
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book was powerful and I just saw
just the practicality and the
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power in the gospel was
expressed there in words and
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that touched my heart but it
wasn't until Loma Linda when I
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was able to put that together
with this copy of, oh some
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sermons back in 1895 and I had
never read it but then I started
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to learn more and some of the
history and the significance and
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that was at Loma
Linda when I knew more.
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Wow, Amazing.
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It's interesting, I just want to
say, that at Loma Linda is where
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we discovered this message and
people like to say things about
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Southern California and Loma
Linda but God can triumph over
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everything and that's where
I lot of young people actually
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began to study the message.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay so
I know some of you at home are
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saying, all right get to
it, get to it. What in the world
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happened in 1888? And that's
actually what I want to launch
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into because I feel like we're
going to get some pieces of how
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this message has impacted you
guys on an individual level and
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we're going to give time for you
guys to develop that, but let's
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go back to 1888 and we keep
calling it the 1888 message but
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really we're talking about the
gospel made more clear. Because
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up to that point, God was
leading His church for sure but
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there were some elements
missing for us to have a better
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understanding of the fullness
of what the gospel is about. So
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1888 there's a general
conference session. Something
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happens and so let's develop,
let's talk about what happened
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in 1888 at the general
conference session and what
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really ultimately came about
that we know today as the 1888
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message.
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If I may very briefly even back
up a little bit before that.
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Obviously, we came through 1844,
the great disappointment, when
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we were expecting Jesus to come
in the clouds. And then Ellen
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White was talking about how we
were growing Laodicean as early
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as the 1860s. And she starts
identifying that. Her husband
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joined in on that and then
the leaders began to realize you
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know we've lost our first love.
And she began saying things like
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we preach the law, the law, the
law until we are as dry as the
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hills of Gilboa, and that's
desert over in Israel. It's
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very, very dry. And Adventists
were in those days actually
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quite adept at arguing
about Biblical truth. We could
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establish that the law not one
jot will pass until all this...
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That the 10 commandments were
still, in effect, the Sabbath
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was still important and they
would win arguments, but they...
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I remember taking classes at
Andrews and learning about the
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development of SDA theology
pre 1888 it seems like it was
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nothing for a minister to go
travel just to debate someone
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on theology.
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They weren't winning hearts. And
so this was kind of a reset. And
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so the actual 1888 meeting and
I'm going to read a quote in a
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little bit that really high
lights what that is but Ellen
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White identified that as the
point where God was bringing the
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outpouring of the Holy Spirit
in such a measure that she was
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equating it with the outpouring
of the latter rain. It was to do
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something to capture the hearts
of God's people that I believe
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would have culminated in Jesus
being able to come back in that
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very generation had it
been completely grasped totally.
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Yeah had they adopted the
fullness of what the message was
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teaching. Okay. So what happened
How did this message come about?
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What type of transition happened
in the minds and hearts of men
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that began to listen to the Holy
Spirit that brought about this
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1888 message?
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You want to comment on that?
(No) The two messengers that
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came with the message Ellen
White said that it warmed her
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heart. And in fact, she said
that she had been thinking some
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of these things but she
hadn't heard it except these two
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messengers. There were a lot
of things going on during the
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conference though. She says
in her own words that there was
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opposition, resistance to the
message that was being preached.
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But the biggest thing that was
most important to her, she said
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like Brian said, they'd been
preaching the law, the law but
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what this message highlighted
was the uplifted Savior and
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and all that happened at
the conference related to the
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uplifted Savior. And the
capstone quote that we like to
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speak about is the one in
Testimonies to Ministers. We can
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bring that up. I have it written
down. First of all, I just want
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to mention one thing that she
wrote and she said related to
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this message that several had
written to her inquiring if the
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message of justification by
faith, which was what she heard
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in 1888 was the third angel's
message and I answered, It is
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the third angel's message in
verity. In other words, she was
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already saying that this is it.
So Adventists as they looked at
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the third angel's message
came up with the law but she saw
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something else there
that was very crucial.
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So this is what she said.
She said: The Lord in His great
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mercy sent a most precious
message to His people through
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Elders Waggoner and Jones.
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Elders Waggoner and Jones were
the two messengers that came
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Now Ellen White could have begun
this quote by saying the Lord in
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His mercy, but she said In
His great mercy, not just mercy
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which means that there were some
condition going on within the
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church that needed a great
message and she said it was most
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precious not just
precious. It was most precious.
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And this message was to bring
more prominently before the
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world the uplifted Savior, the
sacrifice for the sins of the
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whole world. It presented
Justification through faith in
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the Surety; it invited
the people to receive the
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righteousness of Christ, which
is made manifest in obedience
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to all the commandments of God.
Many had lost sight of Jesus.
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Now it's interesting this
is written to the Seventh-day
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Adventist church and she's
telling the church, the Seventh-
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day Adventist church in 1888
that we have lost sight of Jesus
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So anyway. Continue on just
to read the quote. Next slide...
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They needed to have their eyes
directed to His divine person,
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His merits, and His changeless
love for the human family. All
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power is given into His hands,
that He may dispense rich gifts
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unto men, imparting the
priceless gift of His own
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righteousness to the helpless
human agent. This is the
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message that God commanded to
be given to the world. It is the
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third angel's message, which
is to be proclaimed with a loud
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voice, (not whisper but a loud
voice) and attended with the
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outpouring of His
Spirit in a large measure.
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So as we read this I'm not going
to go back and unpack a lot of
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what is here, but she says that
this message, when received,
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would be met with an outpouring
of the Holy Spirit in large
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measure, which the church
has been waiting for. That's the
00:22:10.43\00:22:13.36
latter rain that we've been
waiting for, praying for, we
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pray for the latter rain.
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And the purpose is to give
the message to the whole world.
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The whole world needs to be
warned before Jesus comes back.
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I think that's one of the most
significant things is that this
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is a message, not just for us.
This is a message He intended
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that is supposed to go
everywhere, every nation,
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kindred, tongue, and people.
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Of course, that's the gospel,
that's the gospel and again not
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trying to criticize or be
critical here but we've already
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established the fact that up to
this point it seemed like we had
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been on a track of law, law, law
law, commandments, commandments
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commandments. We have that
down pat but we were missing the
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Giver of the law, the rule giver
I guess you could say. But yet
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some of those people, and
there maybe even some at home...
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because I have met many people
that again are in opposition to
00:23:02.94\00:23:04.28
even this message. I don't need
the 1888 message and maybe it's
00:23:04.31\00:23:09.28
people that are very legalistic
in mindset who have this idea
00:23:09.32\00:23:13.29
that they are uplifting Christ
by talking about the law. And so
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how would you respond to
that. Someone who says that by
00:23:17.33\00:23:19.66
focusing on the law, the
commandments because it's you
00:23:19.69\00:23:22.36
know again you know sin is the
transgression of the law so you
00:23:22.40\00:23:25.67
focus on the law. You are
focusing on Jesus because it's
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the law of God, it's the law of
Jesus so how would you respond
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to someone who says I don't
really need this 1888 message
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As long as I'm focusing on
the law I am focusing on Christ.
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Ryan, what I would say for me
is the 1888 message points me to
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the power to even be able to
keep the law. One of the things
00:23:39.41\00:23:43.08
in this quote it says is
inviting the people to receive
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the righteousness of Christ. And
the righteousness of Christ, a
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lot of times we think of that
as a declaration but here she's
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talking about it in light of a
manifestation. It's manifest in
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the hearts of the people and
this was to introduce the people
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of God and to remind them of who
God is and why He's called us to
00:24:02.67\00:24:08.01
do this. And yes the law is
important but now He wants to
00:24:08.04\00:24:10.25
give us the tools
to actually do that.
00:24:10.28\00:24:12.15
One thing I would also say is
I don't want to use words that
00:24:12.18\00:24:16.82
might not be accessible but
sometimes our language is very
00:24:16.85\00:24:22.79
man-centered we call it
anthropocentric. I just got a
00:24:22.82\00:24:26.59
big word. This message makes us
Christocentric. We're focused on
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Jesus the uplifted Savior.
Let me just read a quote I have
00:24:31.63\00:24:35.30
that's not on the slides because
I want to go back and look at
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I think we need to look at all
the differences of this quote
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But there's a quote that she has
in 21 Manuscript release where
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she makes a statement that
I find fascinating. And it is:
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Hanging upon the cross Christ
was the gospel. It's amazing
00:24:51.62\00:24:58.59
right.
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Christ and Him crucified.
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Yes but she says, she says,
hanging upon the cross Christ
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was the gospel. Now she says we
have a message. Isn't that great
00:25:05.03\00:25:10.54
I'd like to back up just saying
that you'd asked the question if
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we just focus on the law isn't
that enough. Are some of us
00:25:15.78\00:25:19.81
legalistic and we hear that
certain ways. I think actually
00:25:19.85\00:25:22.75
in our hearts, fallen
hearts that we have, we're all
00:25:22.78\00:25:25.95
naturally legalistic. Every
single pagan religion out there
00:25:25.99\00:25:29.62
appeals to the fact that there's
something that I need to do in
00:25:29.66\00:25:32.39
order to make myself right with
God before He can accept me.
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The truth about the 1888 message
is that as Romans 5 says it's
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while I was a sinner, as an
enemy, while I was running away
00:25:42.10\00:25:46.98
from God, He is the good
shepherd who is out seeking His
00:25:47.01\00:25:50.25
lost sheep. And...
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Yes that's what
this message is about.
00:25:52.51\00:25:53.85
When I was searching from place
to place to place looking for
00:25:53.88\00:25:56.95
something saying I need
something more for my heart it
00:25:56.99\00:26:01.76
was when I heard that little
message at the second regional
00:26:01.79\00:26:05.16
1888 conference. My friend
Don had been up there on Friday
00:26:05.19\00:26:08.06
night and said you've got
to come back to this meeting. I
00:26:08.10\00:26:10.43
went up on Sabbath and it was
hearing a message on Agape and
00:26:10.47\00:26:15.10
the message of the cross. But
hearing that God is pursuing me
00:26:15.14\00:26:19.57
I'm not the one pursuing Him.
He pursues and seeks until He
00:26:19.61\00:26:24.15
finds. And realizing that I can
run but He's going to pursue me
00:26:24.18\00:26:29.15
He's the hound of heaven out
looking for me. It completely
00:26:29.18\00:26:33.19
transformed my life, it
completely transformed my
00:26:33.22\00:26:36.02
experience being up and down,
up and down going to revivals
00:26:36.06\00:26:38.49
looking for a way to try to get
myself right with God instead
00:26:38.53\00:26:43.50
realizing that He is the one
reconciling me. He's pursuing me
00:26:43.53\00:26:47.44
And when I realized what Jesus
went through on the cross it
00:26:47.47\00:26:50.77
melted my heart and it took a
lot of that roller coaster out
00:26:50.81\00:26:56.48
of my experience.
00:26:56.51\00:26:57.85
Praise the Lord, praise the
Lord. Did you have something you
00:26:57.88\00:26:59.81
want to add to that?
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Yes, this quote it's so
powerful. Let me just finish a
00:27:01.22\00:27:05.92
couple of points and then you
can go back and discuss the rest
00:27:05.95\00:27:08.89
of this and Kelly was... But so
hanging upon the cross, Christ
00:27:08.92\00:27:13.56
was the gospel. Now we have a
message. Behold the Lamb of God
00:27:13.60\00:27:16.36
which takes away the sin of
the world. Will not our church
00:27:16.40\00:27:19.90
members keep their eyes fixed on
a crucified and risen Savior in
00:27:19.93\00:27:25.81
whom their hopes of eternal
life are centered. Now listen to
00:27:25.84\00:27:29.08
this. This is our message, our
argument, our doctrine. In other
00:27:29.11\00:27:34.58
words somehow Christ crucified
is our message, our argument,
00:27:34.62\00:27:39.32
our doctrine. That's it. We
should be able to find as we
00:27:39.35\00:27:42.89
focus on that recognizing that
all, we won't be worried that if
00:27:42.92\00:27:49.46
we focus on Christ it'll be
cheap and we won't fulfill the
00:27:49.50\00:27:51.60
law. But in this, she goes on
to say if we focus on Christ it
00:27:51.63\00:27:58.41
removed any thought of sinning
from us. The cross is that
00:27:58.44\00:28:01.18
powerful, as Paul said.
00:28:01.21\00:28:03.98
Absolutely. Great point, great
point. Dr. Kelly, you want to
00:28:04.01\00:28:06.15
add anything to that brother?
00:28:06.18\00:28:07.52
I just love that passage that
Lindy was referring to. Hanging
00:28:07.55\00:28:11.35
upon the cross, Christ is
the gospel. The paragraph before
00:28:11.39\00:28:14.12
that she's recounting Jesus and
how He says if it be possible
00:28:14.16\00:28:20.03
remove this cup from me. You
recall that in the garden. And
00:28:20.06\00:28:24.30
it said if that had happened
what would have happened to the
00:28:24.33\00:28:28.60
plan of salvation? I mean she
says the plan of salvation would
00:28:28.64\00:28:34.98
have been frustrated. And then
it says, There arose before Him
00:28:35.01\00:28:38.45
the picture of a lost world,
of lost Ryan and lost Brian and
00:28:38.48\00:28:43.65
lost Lindy and lost every one of
us. He saw that. And yet then He
00:28:43.69\00:28:49.19
said not my will but Thine be
done. And that's what we see on
00:28:49.22\00:28:52.26
the cross as we see Christ, we
see God willing to sacrifice all
00:28:52.29\00:28:56.87
on behalf of every one of us
and each one of us individually.
00:28:56.90\00:29:02.00
Absolutely.
00:29:02.04\00:29:03.37
So stating what happened on the
cross revealed to me that God
00:29:03.41\00:29:06.47
love me more than He loves
Himself. When Jesus was going to
00:29:06.51\00:29:10.45
The Cross, Desire of Ages, p.753
says He could not see through
00:29:10.48\00:29:14.45
the portals of the tomb. He was
weighing this in the garden as
00:29:14.48\00:29:18.02
Kelly mentioned and then He made
a decision that He was going to
00:29:18.05\00:29:21.69
save each of us even if it was
only one of us at no matter what
00:29:21.72\00:29:27.23
the cost to Himself. That causes
your heart to melt. It causes
00:29:27.26\00:29:31.07
you to respond. It's like how
can I not respond to a God that
00:29:31.10\00:29:35.87
is pursuing me and loves me that
much. And somehow growing up
00:29:35.90\00:29:39.17
in Adventism in the 70s and the
80s I had not heard that. And
00:29:39.21\00:29:45.91
there's so many Adventists
today that still have not.
00:29:45.95\00:29:47.28
Yeah, this is something that
you know everything you guys
00:29:47.32\00:29:49.18
were saying before I had even
known what the 1888 message was
00:29:49.22\00:29:52.15
Christ sent this to me early on
before I really knew what it was
00:29:52.19\00:29:55.76
you know. But it was the gospel.
When you have a true balanced
00:29:55.79\00:29:59.93
clear understanding of the
gospel you're no longer tunnel
00:29:59.96\00:30:03.87
visioned on an aspect of the
gospel. You know the law is an
00:30:03.90\00:30:07.37
aspect of the gospel, it's an
important part of the gospel but
00:30:07.40\00:30:09.87
the law in and of itself is not
the gospel. The gospel itself is
00:30:09.90\00:30:14.01
how Christ fulfilled that law,
the work that He has done for
00:30:14.04\00:30:16.58
us. And in accepting that and
allowing His righteousness to be
00:30:16.61\00:30:20.25
applied blood I couldn't
see that for years. And so I
00:30:20.28\00:30:22.45
remember early on before I even
knew what this was you know just
00:30:22.48\00:30:25.72
simply reviewing and coming
to understand that conversation
00:30:25.75\00:30:29.86
that Jesus had with Nicodemus
in John 3 and which Mrs. White
00:30:29.89\00:30:33.19
says perhaps there's no other
passage in all of the Bible
00:30:33.23\00:30:37.00
where the gospel is made more
clear that John 3. And so you go
00:30:37.03\00:30:40.17
back there and a lot of people
focus on John 3:16, beautiful
00:30:40.20\00:30:43.84
text, I love the text, I love
that beautiful truth, but verse
00:30:43.87\00:30:46.57
14 is what does it for me.
You know as Moses lifted up the
00:30:46.61\00:30:49.51
serpent in the wilderness
so shall also the Son of Man be
00:30:49.54\00:30:52.71
lifted up. Now tie that to John
12 where he says that I, if I be
00:30:52.75\00:30:56.22
lifted up will draw all men
unto me. You cannot separate the
00:30:56.25\00:30:59.52
cross from the gospel. But
yet a lot of people say well you
00:30:59.55\00:31:02.72
know all the other
evangelicals...You know
00:31:02.76\00:31:05.06
I think sometimes we're so
focused on us being different
00:31:05.09\00:31:06.83
that the other evangelical world
and we certainly need to be
00:31:06.86\00:31:10.90
different in the Biblical
appropriateness as the Bible
00:31:10.93\00:31:14.00
brings out but I think we become
so focused on trying to be
00:31:14.04\00:31:17.37
different and so opposite
different than that evangelicals
00:31:17.41\00:31:20.24
that we try to go as far away
from that as possible but yet in
00:31:20.28\00:31:23.71
the process we removed Christ
from the equation and that is
00:31:23.75\00:31:26.61
basically, what happened pre
1888 But Jesus sends Jones and
00:31:26.65\00:31:31.15
Waggoner to wake us up to shake
us up a bit, hey let's look at
00:31:31.19\00:31:34.42
what that Bible actually says.
00:31:34.46\00:31:35.79
It was a reset.
00:31:35.82\00:31:37.16
Yeah, there you go yeah.
00:31:37.19\00:31:38.53
So I think if we look at the
quote that we from Testimonies
00:31:38.56\00:31:42.63
to Ministers and unpack
that I think we'll see even the
00:31:42.66\00:31:45.80
uniqueness of the cross in
Adventism and specifically in
00:31:45.83\00:31:51.67
Adventism in the end time, what
we've been called to do. Because
00:31:51.71\00:31:55.18
some people you know it's
the reformation gospel. Well
00:31:55.21\00:31:58.85
actually what they did was that
gospel brought that sanctuary
00:31:58.88\00:32:02.65
truth, it gave it a way forward.
And it's in this quote. So it's
00:32:02.68\00:32:07.69
important to note that this was
a sacrifice for the sins of the
00:32:07.72\00:32:11.53
entire world. We didn't ask for
a sacrifice. He gave it to us.
00:32:11.56\00:32:17.53
He's the initiator and that's
one of the themes of the 1888
00:32:17.57\00:32:19.17
message is Christ is the
initiator of our salvation for
00:32:19.20\00:32:23.81
the whole world.
So the next one...
00:32:23.84\00:32:27.08
So Jones and Waggoner put the
focus on that Jesus is actually
00:32:27.11\00:32:29.74
the Savior of the world. God has
done something for every single
00:32:29.78\00:32:34.08
person before you even know it
before you can even respond to
00:32:34.12\00:32:37.92
it. He's the Savior of all men.
There's no a reason that any
00:32:37.95\00:32:41.72
single person should be
lost because Christ has paid the
00:32:41.76\00:32:45.09
penalty for everyone. And it's
the gift that He gives us. The
00:32:45.13\00:32:48.13
gift is Himself.
00:32:48.16\00:32:51.10
Amen, amen, praise the Lord.
So this is the (number 2). Let's
00:32:51.13\00:32:53.13
go to the second slide.
00:32:53.17\00:32:56.34
Now so it says that It presented
justification through faith in
00:32:56.37\00:33:00.98
the Surety: It invited
the people to receive the
00:33:01.01\00:33:03.95
righteousness of Christ.
00:33:03.98\00:33:10.79
I was wanting you to develop
that, there may be someone
00:33:10.82\00:33:13.86
watching (multiple voices) about
justification through faith.
00:33:13.89\00:33:17.96
What are we talking about there?
Those are big words. What is
00:33:17.99\00:33:21.13
justification through faith.
00:33:21.16\00:33:22.50
That's really key.
00:33:22.53\00:33:23.87
Yes, that is key.
00:33:23.90\00:33:25.23
So in the evangelical world and
even much of Adventism, we have
00:33:25.27\00:33:28.70
the idea that justification by
faith is just boom the books in
00:33:28.74\00:33:32.91
heaven have been set right and
now Christ just covers you with
00:33:32.94\00:33:34.71
the robe. But Jones and Waggoner
really and what Ellen White was
00:33:34.74\00:33:38.65
saying in this quote is
that justification by faith is
00:33:38.68\00:33:41.88
actually a heartfelt response
that changes us. We respond by
00:33:41.92\00:33:46.52
faith. We are broken by seeing
what Christ has done on the
00:33:46.55\00:33:50.76
cross, so we are now reconciled
to Him. There is a heart change
00:33:50.79\00:33:54.90
that goes on by faith and
it's the faith of Jesus that was
00:33:54.93\00:34:00.04
demonstrated on the cross that
we respond to. Now faith comes
00:34:00.07\00:34:05.41
forward in us. It's a creative
power, it's a personal universe
00:34:05.44\00:34:08.84
that God speaks the word,
God demonstrates faith and as a
00:34:08.88\00:34:11.91
result faith begins coming up
in each of our heart's and it's
00:34:11.95\00:34:16.25
going to keep growing.
It's going to go all the way to
00:34:16.28\00:34:17.62
maturity unless we shut
it down, unless we stifle it.
00:34:17.65\00:34:20.19
Yeah so I respond in faith
by the work that Christ has done
00:34:20.22\00:34:24.29
Yes, Lord, I want your sacrifice
to be applied to me, I accept
00:34:24.33\00:34:28.26
that sacrifice, I accept that
blood that's been shed for me so
00:34:28.30\00:34:31.67
that I can have eternal life.
I'm expressing that faith and
00:34:31.70\00:34:35.74
now Christ pardons me, He
justifies me but according to
00:34:35.77\00:34:38.44
what He's done, not what
I've done. Right? This is the
00:34:38.47\00:34:41.38
fundamental gospel.
00:34:41.41\00:34:42.74
He's already justified you.
00:34:42.78\00:34:44.11
We're essentially talking about
the courtyard. (Yeah) This is
00:34:44.15\00:34:45.48
the courtyard of the sanctuary.
You know you have to express
00:34:45.51\00:34:49.05
faith in receiving that
sacrifice and obviously the
00:34:49.08\00:34:52.65
laver would represent the
cleansing work of what Christ is
00:34:52.69\00:34:54.76
doing in our life and that
baptismal experience that we
00:34:54.79\00:34:57.66
have when we're expressing that
new-found faith in our life. But
00:34:57.69\00:35:01.13
then we move on obviously to the
sanctification aspect. But this
00:35:01.16\00:35:04.33
is talking about the
justification through faith in
00:35:04.37\00:35:07.00
the surety and inviting
the people to receive the
00:35:07.04\00:35:10.27
righteousness of Christ. That's
what a lot of people have missed
00:35:10.31\00:35:12.97
They find and receive the law,
I like the law, like the ten
00:35:13.01\00:35:15.58
commandments but they
haven't really received the
00:35:15.61\00:35:18.45
righteousness of Christ yet.
00:35:18.48\00:35:19.81
Okay. A couple points. So this
idea and Brian was hitting on
00:35:19.85\00:35:23.92
this. Two things I see in this.
So the faith begins with Jesus
00:35:23.95\00:35:31.39
His faith is given to us and
Waggoner has a quote, we won't
00:35:31.43\00:35:37.37
get into the quote but if
you look at this idea about
00:35:37.40\00:35:40.90
justification through faith
we're not looking at my weak
00:35:40.94\00:35:45.37
little faith. Jesus Christ had
faith. He lived by faith. Ellen
00:35:45.41\00:35:49.44
White said He died in
faith. And that faith creates a
00:35:49.48\00:35:55.52
response. It's a responsive
faith so it begins first with
00:35:55.55\00:35:59.85
the faith of Jesus but includes
our response to His faith. His
00:35:59.89\00:36:03.66
faith is given to us which is a
perfect faith. The fact that we
00:36:03.69\00:36:06.36
have to receive means that it
was a gift that was given to us
00:36:06.39\00:36:10.27
so that's a _word
received. You can't receive what
00:36:10.30\00:36:16.74
you've not been given you
receive it. So that's another
00:36:17.57\00:36:20.81
concept that
can't _ down on. Yes?
00:36:20.84\00:36:23.71
This quote reminds me that
everything we do is a response
00:36:23.75\00:36:27.72
to what God has already done.
We love Him because He first
00:36:27.75\00:36:31.89
loved us. It's the goodness
of God leads us to repentance.
00:36:31.92\00:36:36.76
Even to experience justification
by faith is based on the fact
00:36:36.79\00:36:42.40
that he has already justified us
That justification is in Christ
00:36:42.43\00:36:46.37
and if we receive Christ and
we appreciate what He did on the
00:36:46.40\00:36:49.80
cross and our heart responds, we
then experience justification by
00:36:49.84\00:36:53.14
faith. It's a response to the
justification that He's already
00:36:53.17\00:36:55.74
provided the human race. (Yeah)
00:36:55.78\00:36:57.18
Amen, I love that.
00:36:57.21\00:36:58.61
Ryan, I think a passage that
brings that out in 2 Corinthians
00:36:58.65\00:37:01.15
chapter 5 verse 14. I love this
passage, the whole thing, but
00:37:01.18\00:37:05.99
I'm just going to read the first
14 and 15. It says: For the love
00:37:06.02\00:37:10.16
of Christ compels us...pushes
us forward, right...because we
00:37:10.19\00:37:17.27
judge thus that if one died for
all then all died and He died
00:37:17.30\00:37:21.60
for all those who live
should live no longer for
00:37:21.64\00:37:25.57
themselves but for Him who
died for them and rose again.
00:37:25.61\00:37:28.41
I love that, I love
that. Beautiful passage.
00:37:28.44\00:37:31.61
The quote also says that when
you receive the righteousness
00:37:31.65\00:37:35.05
you become obedient. So we don't
see a partition necessarily
00:37:35.08\00:37:41.09
between this justifying
and sanctifying process. This
00:37:41.12\00:37:45.03
justification creates in us a
sanctifying process a kind of...
00:37:45.06\00:37:51.13
yes, a response.
00:37:51.17\00:37:52.50
That fulfills the law.
00:37:52.53\00:37:53.87
That's Romans 1:5. Romans
1:5 states that we have been
00:37:53.90\00:37:56.71
given grace for obedience.
The natural response of when you
00:37:56.74\00:38:00.28
have received the grace of
Christ because you put your
00:38:00.31\00:38:02.44
faith in Him to accept what He's
done for you. He saves you by
00:38:02.48\00:38:06.18
His grace through faith right
but that faith now causes a
00:38:06.21\00:38:10.95
response, it causes a response,
which is of course our obedience
00:38:10.99\00:38:16.52
It's the work that He does.
He who began a good work is
00:38:16.56\00:38:19.59
faithful to complete it. We
cooperate with Him, we respond,
00:38:19.63\00:38:23.57
we receive it but He is the
initiator and He is the one that
00:38:23.60\00:38:26.87
will see it through unless
we say no I don't want it.
00:38:26.90\00:38:30.54
Work out your faith with fear
and trembling for it is God that
00:38:30.57\00:38:34.58
worketh in you to will
and to do His good pleasure.
00:38:34.61\00:38:37.75
It's 100 percent Him. That's
what I love about this message
00:38:37.78\00:38:40.75
and the gospel entirely is that
it's 100 percent focused on what
00:38:40.78\00:38:45.62
Christ has done and is doing
through us because of the faith
00:38:45.65\00:38:48.79
we bring.
00:38:48.82\00:38:50.29
Okay, this is awesome.
00:38:50.33\00:38:53.40
So they needed to have their
eyes directed to His divine
00:38:53.43\00:38:54.76
person.
00:38:54.80\00:38:56.13
And what I want to say about
this message also, the uplifted
00:38:56.16\00:39:00.70
Savior represented both
His divine nature and the human
00:39:00.74\00:39:04.37
nature which He assumed. Do
I have time to talk about that?
00:39:04.41\00:39:07.68
person, His merits, and His
changeless love for the human
00:39:12.01\00:39:15.62
family. We cannot make
God hate us. He loves us.
00:39:15.65\00:39:18.55
And then All power is given into
His hands, that He may dispense
00:39:18.59\00:39:23.66
rich gifts unto men, imparting
the priceless gift of His own
00:39:23.69\00:39:28.63
righteousness to the
helpless human agent.
00:39:28.66\00:39:32.00
(Okay) When we see that we
are going right back to Romans
00:39:32.03\00:39:35.07
chapter 5 verses 6, 8 and
10. We were without strength, we
00:39:35.10\00:39:38.84
were helpless, we were sinners,
we were enemies. Even despite
00:39:38.87\00:39:46.45
all of that Jesus Christ took
the initiative to do something
00:39:46.48\00:39:52.59
for the helpless human agent.
So how do we know that God has
00:39:52.62\00:39:56.22
done something for everybody?
Because we are helpless. We
00:39:56.26\00:40:00.16
can't help ourselves. For that
reason God, I believe, in Christ
00:40:00.20\00:40:06.17
has put humanity on vantage
ground. We are lost because we
00:40:06.20\00:40:10.57
choose to reject
the gift He's given us.
00:40:10.61\00:40:13.01
That's a powerful point. It
literally just comes down to a
00:40:13.04\00:40:17.71
rejection of what Christ
has already done for us. There's
00:40:17.75\00:40:21.35
nothing that we have to do to
add to it because He's already
00:40:21.38\00:40:23.59
completed the work. We
just simply in losing out on
00:40:23.62\00:40:25.82
salvation is living a life
contrary and rejecting what He
00:40:25.85\00:40:29.19
has already done for us.
00:40:29.22\00:40:30.96
Rejecting the gospel. Rejecting
the Good News, rejecting the
00:40:30.99\00:40:33.23
actual gift of
Christ Himself to humanity.
00:40:33.26\00:40:35.60
That's a powerful
thought, a powerful thought.
00:40:35.63\00:40:38.33
And then the last slide. This
is the message because it's such
00:40:38.37\00:40:42.07
good news. It's
unbelievably good news.
00:40:42.10\00:40:44.31
This is the message that God
commanded...He didn't say can
00:40:44.34\00:40:47.28
you, please. He commanded to
be given to the world. It is the
00:40:47.31\00:40:52.41
third angel's message.
This message speaks about the
00:40:52.45\00:40:54.18
commandments, first of
all, it speaks about the gospel,
00:40:54.22\00:40:55.55
the everlasting gospel. That's
first and then it ends up with
00:40:55.58\00:41:01.69
obedience to all the
commandments and the faith of
00:41:01.72\00:41:04.99
Jesus. That faith that we
receive engenders in us faith
00:41:05.03\00:41:09.43
to respond and receive
what He's given us. So the whole
00:41:09.46\00:41:14.67
package... First, second, and
third angels' messages wrapped
00:41:14.70\00:41:18.11
up in this quote.
00:41:18.14\00:41:19.47
Of course, absolutely.
So that's a powerful point.
00:41:19.51\00:41:20.84
Seventh-day Adventists
were really put in this world as
00:41:20.88\00:41:24.68
prophetic messengers, the ones
that actually call the world to
00:41:24.71\00:41:28.72
repentance before Jesus comes.
To do that they have to proclaim
00:41:28.75\00:41:32.02
the gospel. They have to live it
they have to demonstrate it but
00:41:32.05\00:41:34.59
they also have to proclaim it
and that's what we're asked to
00:41:34.62\00:41:37.36
do in Revelation 14 at the
beginning of the three angels'
00:41:37.39\00:41:39.76
And I saw another angel flying
in the midst of heaven having
00:41:39.79\00:41:42.16
the (in unison)
everlasting gospel.
00:41:42.20\00:41:43.87
It is a judgment hour message.
That quote as it ends puts the
00:41:43.90\00:41:50.11
focus on this is our core work.
It's taking those three angels'
00:41:50.14\00:41:54.01
messages and giving it to the
world. So we're talking about
00:41:54.04\00:41:58.15
history, 1888 is a long time ago
100 years ago and so it begs the
00:41:58.18\00:42:03.65
question why are we still here?
(Right, right) Probably because
00:42:03.69\00:42:07.32
There's some folk not getting
it yet. That's what it is.
00:42:07.36\00:42:13.09
We haven't either understood
it or we haven't given it to the
00:42:13.13\00:42:14.96
world.
00:42:15.00\00:42:16.33
Some of us at home, some of us
we don't get it yet and Jesus is
00:42:16.36\00:42:20.60
waiting on us. Look I
want to come but we've got to
00:42:20.64\00:42:25.57
understand the gospel of Christ.
The power of the gospel. Yes I
00:42:25.61\00:42:30.65
love that. So I think we've
already answered this question
00:42:30.68\00:42:32.85
just in the beautiful
explanation that we have done
00:42:32.88\00:42:35.98
given here in regards to this
gospel message that was sent
00:42:36.02\00:42:40.26
through Jones and Waggoner to
wake us up, to bring that love
00:42:40.29\00:42:43.89
back and help us to understand
who Christ is and His work for
00:42:43.93\00:42:46.19
us. But I'm going to ask this
question just because I feel
00:42:46.23\00:42:48.26
like it's important. There's
still, probably someone watching
00:42:48.30\00:42:50.40
right now that saying you know
what I...1888 was so long ago
00:42:50.43\00:42:53.90
but you're calling it the 1888
message. It seems like it's just
00:42:53.94\00:42:59.31
an old message that we just need
to let go. Just let it stay with
00:42:59.34\00:43:03.61
1888. Is it still relevant today
and why is it still relevant
00:43:03.65\00:43:06.65
today?
00:43:06.68\00:43:08.28
Yeah absolutely. So I am
convicted that is the key for
00:43:08.32\00:43:11.62
the outpouring of the Holy
Spirit. It's not just that oh
00:43:11.65\00:43:14.96
let's get together in a prayer
meeting and pray for the Holy
00:43:14.99\00:43:16.99
Spirit. We need to recover the
very message that God sent that
00:43:17.03\00:43:22.36
brought with it the latter rain
and the outpouring of the Holy
00:43:22.40\00:43:24.17
Spirit. And so we have to go
back and look at our history.
00:43:24.20\00:43:28.14
History's been very important.
But the other thing that's super
00:43:28.17\00:43:30.51
important to me and has been
for the last 30 years plus since
00:43:30.54\00:43:35.08
we've been studying this is it
anchors why we are still here.
00:43:35.11\00:43:38.71
As a young person now some
of the young people we tell them
00:43:38.75\00:43:43.35
well a thousand years is like a
day for God, God's going to come
00:43:43.39\00:43:47.59
in His own timetable. It feels
like the second coming is so
00:43:47.62\00:43:50.56
far off I can't even relate to
it. The second coming will come
00:43:50.59\00:43:53.83
when a generation catches hold
of this message and that's what
00:43:53.86\00:43:57.03
God's waiting for. It could be
and it should be in fact it must
00:43:57.07\00:44:00.84
be our generation.
00:44:00.87\00:44:02.20
Man, that's so true. You want
to add anything to that Dr Kelly
00:44:02.24\00:44:04.41
If somebody says to you why
is this message relevant today?
00:44:04.44\00:44:07.98
It just seems so old, it's
1888 we haven't grasped, maybe
00:44:08.01\00:44:11.91
someone said we have a
new gospel, what would be your
00:44:11.95\00:44:14.58
response to that?
00:44:14.62\00:44:15.95
To me the most significant thing
is it's a message the Lord sent.
00:44:15.98\00:44:17.52
And if the Lord sent a message
it should be important to me
00:44:17.55\00:44:22.49
and the messages the Lord sends
they're really important in all
00:44:22.52\00:44:27.30
times for all places. They still
apply to us. So yeah there's
00:44:27.33\00:44:30.60
maybe there's ways to say it
differently and a way to make it
00:44:30.63\00:44:35.24
more relevant in some ways but
the basic principle, the core in
00:44:35.27\00:44:38.74
what God sent to this church is
the foundation of the should be
00:44:38.77\00:44:43.75
the foundation and basis of
everything we deliver, every
00:44:43.78\00:44:46.88
doctrinal presentation.
00:44:46.92\00:44:48.25
I think God sent the message
because He wants to be reunited
00:44:48.28\00:44:51.79
with His people and she talks
about this...In Ellen White's
00:44:51.82\00:44:59.76
mind there has been a delay
and you know Israel didn't enter
00:44:59.79\00:45:04.70
into the promised land because
of unbelief. She identifies the
00:45:04.73\00:45:09.07
same thing with the church that
we haven't entered the heavenly
00:45:09.10\00:45:12.91
Canaan because of unbelief. So
the Lord sent the message, most
00:45:12.94\00:45:17.55
precious and because of unbelief
we're still here. And so it's
00:45:17.58\00:45:22.02
relevant because
we're still here.
00:45:22.05\00:45:25.19
We're still here. We still
got to preach it. Okay, brother.
00:45:25.22\00:45:29.56
So one of the things that made
a difference in my life, my own
00:45:29.59\00:45:32.03
heart as I heard, you know,
started reading and studying
00:45:32.06\00:45:35.50
some of these things is that it
actually changed my motivation
00:45:35.53\00:45:39.93
for why to do any of the things
I do. It has impacted my life
00:45:39.97\00:45:46.07
from early into medical school
this has become more meaningful
00:45:46.11\00:45:50.45
and has grown year by
year. It impacts the way I teach
00:45:50.48\00:45:53.15
Sabbath School, the way I
present in church, the way I
00:45:53.18\00:45:56.58
interact with people there,
every way. And it changed my
00:45:56.62\00:46:00.52
motivation to not do it in order
so that I can get in. It changed
00:46:00.56\00:46:05.73
my motivation because
I'm concerned about Him. I'm
00:46:05.76\00:46:08.16
concerned about you know
how He's doing and all that sin
00:46:08.20\00:46:12.80
brings to Him, the pain that
it brings to God's heart and if
00:46:12.83\00:46:15.94
there's anything that I can do
by His grace working in my life
00:46:15.97\00:46:19.94
to end it and to advance His
kingdom that's what I want to do
00:46:19.97\00:46:24.58
I heard a minister years ago say
it's a little motto he used and
00:46:24.61\00:46:28.42
it just always stuck with me.
It's not about what you do, it's
00:46:28.45\00:46:30.39
who you know and who you know
changes what you do. When we put
00:46:30.42\00:46:33.36
the focus on the right place, in
this case the right person, we
00:46:33.39\00:46:36.69
put the focus on Christ it's
not that they do doesn't matter,
00:46:36.73\00:46:40.80
it's just when you put the focus
on the do then you don't know
00:46:40.83\00:46:43.63
the Savior. But when you put the
focus on the Savior they do is
00:46:43.67\00:46:47.67
now put in proper perspective.
And when you come to know Him
00:46:47.70\00:46:50.41
now He again gives you the power
to be able to do right. It's a
00:46:50.44\00:46:55.24
powerful thing to consider. What
about...Does somebody want to
00:46:55.28\00:46:58.38
say something about the youth
today. I mean again how do you
00:46:58.41\00:47:01.98
reach the youth with this
message, right? Because there
00:47:02.02\00:47:04.09
maybe a young person might
watch this. Oh, again, 1888 this
00:47:04.12\00:47:08.32
is from the old church and we're
young, a new generation. How do
00:47:08.36\00:47:12.29
you reach the youth
with such a message?
00:47:12.33\00:47:14.53
(Multiple voices) So here's the
thing. Young people are smart.
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And they see inconsistencies. So
they can spot hypocrisy a mile
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away. Of course, if we present
ideas and present thoughts and
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it's just information and
there's a discrepancy in my own
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personal life, our own personal
life they'll spot that and that
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is actually a powerful deterrent
of keeping people away. But
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really it comes down to really
if the same thing that changes
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my heart can change the youth's
heart and that is the uplifted
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Savior. We present Christ and
Him crucified, what took place
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on the cross, what does that
really mean, what did God really
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relinquish and what did He
really put at risk. Those are
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huge things and that makes
all the difference in the world.
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I love that, I love that.
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Same thing that to go to
the world is to go to the youth
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because they're
part of the world.
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Give them the gospel, give
them the gospel. And I'm talking
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about the real gospel. Not your
own version of what you might...
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I talking about Christ-centered
gospel. That's what it really
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comes down to. You guys have an
upcoming conference. Tell us a
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little bit about that upcoming
conference and how people can
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learn more about what
we're discussing today.
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Yeah, every year we get together
and do a conference typically at
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one of the Adventists
Universities and our website
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1888msc.org, 1888msc.org
will have the information about
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our annual conferences. We also
do seminars in churches. In the
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past we had a full-time
evangelist who was unfortunately
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killed in a plane crash. But
it's something that we love to
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support is evangelism, revival
meetings in churches and the
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annual conference that you
can see on the website is an
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excellent way. We also get
together and study as a ministry
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One of the things that is so
unique is that every year we get
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together for what's called a
board retreat and we just study
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the gospel together
and it's just wonderful.
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And the dates, do
you have the dates?
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The dates, you can
look at the website.
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Go to the website. Bring
that website up one more time.
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1888msc.org again 1888msc.org
Go to the website. You want to
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know all about when this
upcoming conference is happening
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and you want to learn more about
the gospel. This is what we're
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talking about. I know we
often say the 1888 message. Well
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that's what it is because we
were missing the gospel and it
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came in the form of the 1888
General Conference session of
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this message that was brought to
the attention of the people that
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we're talking about my friends
if you've been tuning in or
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maybe you're just now tuning
in. It is the fundamental gospel
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of Jesus Christ. The uplifted
Savior Jesus. We put the
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spotlight on Him. It's His
righteousness not ours. It's His
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faith not ours. That's what
righteousness by faith is. We
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obtain the righteousness
of Christ by Christ's faith.
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That's what it really, really,
truly, truly is. Guys I've had
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such a fun time today. We're not
quite finished though because
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perhaps maybe you want to
support this effort, you want to
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learn more, you want to get
in contact with the 1888 Message
00:50:31.53\00:50:36.77
Study Committee. I had to make
sure I showed that down because
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I just want to say 1888
Committee but it's the 1888
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Message Study Committee. Perhaps
you have more questions you want
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to support, you want to get in
contact with them. Well there's
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many different ways you can do
that but we're going to actually
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pull that up right now so you
can know how to contact them and
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maybe support the ministry.
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If you would like more
information about the 1888
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Message Study Committee
you can write to them at
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8784 Valley View Drive, Berrien
Springs, MI 49103. You can call
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them (269) 473-1888.
You can find them online at
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1888msc.org or email
them at info@1888msc.org
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