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Hello and welcome to another
3ABN Today program. I'm glad
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that you took the time to join
us. [Jason Bradley] And so I
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have a question for you, I won't
hear your answer but I have a
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question for you anyway. Do you
enjoy a good story? What about
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the journey that someone goes
through as they're giving their
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heart to the Lord. Well if
you do, you're going to want to
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stick around because the guests
that I will be conversing with
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they will share some stories,
some powerful stories, about how
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people gave their lives to
the Lord. So we're going to hear
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from them in just a minute.
Let me introduce them to you. We
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have Daniel Pedley and you are
the communications director of
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Adverum Productions. (Right)
It's great to have you here.
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Next to you, we have your wife
here, Antonella Pedley, Adverum
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Productions writer and producer.
It's great to have you here as
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well. Yes and
thank you for having us.
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Oh, you're welcome. I want
to get into your background. I
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always like to talk to our
guests about their upbringing
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you know what life was like for
them and how things were in the
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faith and all of that. But
before we dive into that and
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find out all about this
wonderful ministry we're going
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to be blessed in song. Kendol
Bacchus will be playing a song
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entitled Shepherd of My Heart.
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Wow what a beautiful song.
Shepherd of My Heart. Thank you
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for blessing us in song Kendol
Bacchus. Daniel, I want to
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transition into your background
and find out how long has Jesus
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been the Shepherd of your heart
and how did He grab ahold of
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your life?
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Mmm, Amen. Well I think I
have to start like at the very
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beginning at my birth and there
were some complications and I
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almost died actually at birth
and then when I was five years
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old I got run over by a car and
miraculously survived. So these
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two events really put an
impression on my you know to me
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I think God was really real
to me. I felt like He had a plan
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for my life. He had grabbed
me like you say and it always.
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Yeah, it always remained through
my life even though I was
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baptized when I was 16. I think
back then and even now I have
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that constant understanding that
God loves me, He has a purpose
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for me and it doesn't matter
what other people are doing or
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how they are behaving God
is always constant, He's always
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there.
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Mm-hmm. It's interesting because
the devil was trying to take you
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out at an early age. He knew
God had a great purpose for your
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life. How did you go about
discovering God's purpose for
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your life?
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Oh yeah, we don't have that much
time to talk about that but I
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believe just step by step He led
me from one thing to another. He
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put a burden on my heart to
do mission work and I kind of
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discovered on my journey that
it was going to be in a creative
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way. I'm a graphic designer and
I enjoy visual communication and
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I kind of pops into what
we're doing with our ministry.
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Yes, yes. We're going to talk
all about that in just a moment
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here. But Antonella tell us when
God grabbed ahold of your life
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and how you've been able
to stay grounded in the faith.
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Yes so I was born and raised
in Romania which was a communist
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country at that time. And my
parents were Christians. They
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were Adventists so I always
knew about the faith. I always
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believed. But of course my faith
was challenged very early on
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because at school I remember
we had a biology teacher and I
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guess the communist party had
given her this mandate to try
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to convert me to that side.
So I remember her calling me out
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and saying how can you believe
in God. I mean isn't that such a
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stupid idea. And I was young and
I didn't always know what to say
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So those kind of questions have
I've always tried to find good
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questions for people who
ask me and challenge my...
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Have good answers for the people
that ask the questions. Gotcha.
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And then when we moved, well
we got married and we lived in
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Western Europe I realized that
there are people here also who
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don't believe in God. In fact,
a lot of people don't believe in
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God. So I realized that we have
to be able to give an answer to
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the people who ask about faith
(Absolutely) So that encouraged
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me to educate myself
about these things, about the
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questions that people have.
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Yes, yes. To study, learn, grow,
share. All of that, yes. And how
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did you two meet?
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We actually met here
in the United States.
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Wow! Well praise the Lord,
praise the Lord. How did Adverum
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get started?
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Yes well as I said, we had this
idea or this feeling that people
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around us didn't believe in
God. And we wanted to be able to
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share our faith with them. And I
remember back in 2000 or so the
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books of Richard Dawkins were
coming out and there was a lot
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of talk about that and the
arguments he had against God.
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And I remember I was talking and
thinking how can we help people
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ground their faith in the Bible.
because a lot of people don't
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believe in the Bible. A lot of
the evangelistic methods that we
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have they presuppose that
people believe in the Bible. And
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so what do you do when somebody
does not believe in the Bible
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that it is the word of God?
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And so we kind of thought that
or God put on our heart this
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thought that we should help
people to believe in the Bible,
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to build up their trust in the
Bible. So observe actually means
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towards the truth. So helping
people to gain or regain the
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trust in the
truthfulness of the Bible.
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Nice, nice. I love that. And
that is a question that a lot of
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people have is where do we start
You know you have to establish a
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foundation. If they don't
believe in the Bible where do
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you start? So where did you
start? How do you help people
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to see the validity of the Bible
if they don't believe in it?
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Maybe we'll go a little step
back. (Okay) So after we got
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married we lived in
Jersey which is an island.
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Mm-hmm. Not New Jersey, yeah.
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Old Jersey. (Okay gotcha) and we
were the only Adventists on this
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island. And we were
there for four years.
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What was that like?
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It was very lonely, very lonely.
(Yeah) In fact, we had yeah
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because we were the only
Adventists we tried to have some
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Christian fellowship and we also
got materials from different
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ministries. We're watching those
And then I think it's around
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2000 that the Hot Bird 5
satellite, 3ABN came on Help Bud
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Five and we got special
permission from our landlord
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to put a dish up and from
that moment when he plugged
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everything in, the technician
and we saw 3ABN for the first
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time. (Wow. Praise God)
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Yes, that was a happy moment
when we finally saw the image
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there. And 3ABN became our
church for about two or three
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years. We were watching 3ABN
every Sabbath and we realized
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the importance of Christian
media. It was such a tremendous
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blessing in our life. So that
thought was at the back of our
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thoughts. And then we worked for
a Christian television station
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in Sweden and also again caught
a vision for working with media.
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And then that came
together in Adverum Productions.
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Yeah, so 2016 we started,
we actually did our first
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production in that summer and
we'll have some slides later on
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show you some of
the things. We did...
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Yeah, that'll be wonderful to
look at. Would you say that it's
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been a journey?
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Absolutely, yeah.
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A learning process.
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Oh yeah.
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Right. What are some challenges
maybe that you faced along the
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way?
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Yeah well you know we've been
doing this as a side project so
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we have a commercial business
that pays the bills and then
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we're trying to do this kind of
on the side. So I think that's
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one of the challenges is we
would like to do more but it's
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like you have to get
the bread on the table...
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Yes, yes for sure. So you've
been helping to fund the non
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profit, the ministry by your
business. (That's right) Wow.
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That's tremendous. I'm hoping
that our viewers and listeners
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that are catching a vision will
help fund as well so that you
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could end up focusing on that
full time. Is that something
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that you're working towards
is transitioning to full time
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Adverum?
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That'll be a dream come true.
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Yeah, that'll be great, that'll
be great. What's the vision and
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mission of Adverum. I know that
you said you know to get people
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to basically recognize the
validity of the Bible. But you
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also have people that share
their testimonies and all of
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that stuff too. What's the
vision and mission just as an
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overarching thing?
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So the mission of Adverum is to
reach secular people, people who
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do not believe in God at this
point. And so we thought of what
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medium to use. So we thought
using media, Christian media is
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something that God has impressed
us to do. And we also like the
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format of documentaries, many
documentaries. (Why is that?)
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So I don't know if you
remember James Cameron, he is an
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acclaimed film producer and such
and I remember hearing the story
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how he watched a documentary. It
was a health documentary. And it
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was talking about the advantages
of a plant-based diet and how
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after watching the documentary
he went straight with his wife
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to the kitchen and they cleaned
out all non-plant-based food
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So I thought this is amazing how
just watching a documentary can
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bring about change. So we have
taken on this mode of doing or
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trying to do documentaries to
reach people through the gospel.
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And we believe that
documentaries should be well
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researched, they should be
content-rich and also quality in
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production.
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Absolutely. Now I know that
it has to take a lot of moving
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parts. Research takes time.
And then actually filming the
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production and doing all of that
stuff. Hopefully, we'll get to
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look at some members of the team
and some behind-the-scenes stuff
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a little bit later. But it takes
a lot of moving parts, right?
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Yes, and first we thought we
should start with a project that
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involves stories. So I have a
relative who is not a believer
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and we were having a lot of
discussions about the faith,
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about God and I remember at one
point he said to me, There are
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no people these days who become
Christians. It's always the
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other way around. There
are Christians who become non
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believers and especially not
here in Western Europe, in the
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western world or in Europe. And
I kind of thought for a minute
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and I took that as a challenge.
So I thought, Of course there
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are people who have given their
lives to God and have become
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believers. So I thought
why don't we show that? So then
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we came up with this idea of
filming conversion stories of
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people who were non-believers,
did not believe in God, didn't
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care about God or were agnostic,
who have made the journeys to
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become believers. Not
just believers but very firm
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believers and people who
share their faith with others.
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Yes, that's incredible
the power of a testimony.
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Yes and we have a trailer that
shows the journeys like and so
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maybe we can...
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Absolutely, I love that.
Let's check that out right now.
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I was firmly convinced about
evolutionism. I was also really
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vocal against
people who believed in God.
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My young life was formed by
criminality and later I went
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into captivity. I have an
inquisitive mind and I wondered
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is there any truth in the Bible?
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I had money to spend so I could
afford expensive toys. I felt
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happy and I had
no interest in God.
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I'm an officer in the German
Army. I'm not a church member.
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but I would like to
prepare to become baptized.
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I decided to follow God.
I have never regretted my
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decision.
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And I got convinced that God
loves me and that he wrote the.
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Bible.
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So I testified publically that
I wanted to be a follower of
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Jesus.
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Wow, that's incredible. You know
I believe that a lot of souls
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will be won to the kingdom
from people watching those
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testimonies and seeing how
God moved in the lives of other
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people. How do you go
about finding these interviews.
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Yeah, God sends us
people. He just...I mean we're
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keeping our eyes open. But
we meet someone or we just start
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talking to someone. Like oh wow
they have a story to share. And
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what is neat is that these are
not famous stories. They're just
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ordinary people. And I think
it's exciting to...that when you
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uncover them and when you kind
of see the transition point of
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what sort of tipped them
over, like what got them, yeah,
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believing.
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Yeah since the majority, the
vast majority of these people
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they are from Europe or live
in Europe. In fact, most of them
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don't even have English as their
first language. So it shows that
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God is in the business of
miracles in secular Europe today
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And also what is good about
testimonies is that they are
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incontrovertible as in you
cannot argue against somebody's
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testimony. That is what they
experienced. That's how God has
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worked in their lives. And
they are unique. God works in a
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unique way in people's lives.
And also people can relate to
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different testimonies. We
sometimes talk to people and we
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say which one did you like?
And they all say a different one
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because they can relate
to different issues that are
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brought up different experiences
of people and also as we started
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filming the different journeys
we realized that there are side
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issues that come up. For
example evolution or drugs and
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criminality, depression,
spiritualism, new age,
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environmentalism, speaking
in tongues and they also create
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another layer of interest...
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Yeah, yeah. So are those some
of the topics that you cover
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as well?
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Yeah, so the main topic is how
these people made the journey
00:25:17.35\00:25:20.08
from being non-believers to
believers, but then these issues
00:25:20.12\00:25:23.05
also come up, right.
00:25:23.08\00:25:24.69
Got you. And these are things
that they're dealing with. (Yes)
00:25:24.72\00:25:27.32
Or that they dealt with
prior to coming to Christ.
00:25:27.36\00:25:31.56
Okay, got you. Have
you received any feedback?
00:25:31.59\00:25:35.53
Yeah, yeah, we have a YouTube
channel and we see people
00:25:35.56\00:25:44.31
commenting there. We also
have actually Spanish subtitles
00:25:44.34\00:25:51.65
I think.
00:25:51.68\00:25:53.01
Yeah so both classes have
contacted us and asked us if
00:25:53.05\00:25:56.45
they can carry our programs and
asked if they can dub them or
00:25:56.48\00:26:03.26
translate them into different
languages. So we have been
00:26:03.29\00:26:09.66
translated to Italian, Spanish,
Bulgarian, Romanian, Swedish,
00:26:09.70\00:26:13.44
some of them in German and
Slovenian. (That's huge) And we
00:26:13.47\00:26:21.14
received a few proposals
from people Spain (unclear).
00:26:21.18\00:26:24.68
Nice, nice. How has being a part
of this ministry, how has it
00:26:24.71\00:26:28.75
strengthened your faith?
00:26:28.78\00:26:30.49
Yeah, well every time we do
a journey we see actually the
00:26:30.52\00:26:37.19
Great Controversy in action. It
seems like things always come up
00:26:37.23\00:26:42.23
things are always like getting
in the way but then they're
00:26:42.26\00:26:46.63
being resolved. God is taking us
through that. So I think seeing
00:26:46.67\00:26:54.21
God in action like even
when we're doing a production...
00:26:54.24\00:26:59.31
Yeah, yeah for sure.
00:26:59.35\00:27:04.02
Yes and we have seen miracles
as we were doing the journeys
00:27:04.05\00:27:09.09
Well one of them was just
being able to do them with the
00:27:09.12\00:27:14.83
financial implications. And also
putting together a team. Because
00:27:14.86\00:27:20.57
initially, it was Dan and I and
another friend of ours, his name
00:27:20.60\00:27:25.34
is Heber. We caught the vision
together. But then God brought
00:27:25.37\00:27:30.88
other people to the team who
also had a burden to share God's
00:27:30.91\00:27:35.55
message and also have the skills
to do this like videographers,
00:27:35.58\00:27:41.56
editors and also we are amazed
at the talent that God has
00:27:41.59\00:27:47.26
brought. And how also we
complement each other because
00:27:47.30\00:27:51.50
some of us some who are
adventurous, some of us are more
00:27:51.53\00:27:54.74
laid back and want to check all
the details. I'm sure you see
00:27:54.77\00:27:58.21
that here at 3ABN as well. (Oh
absolutely) God brings together
00:27:58.24\00:28:01.34
different talents
to complement the work.
00:28:01.38\00:28:06.45
Yes, yes. And it's incredible
because if anybody at home knows
00:28:06.48\00:28:12.79
anything about production and
the process so many moving parts
00:28:12.82\00:28:17.43
but yet God, as you're saying,
brings it all together and we
00:28:17.46\00:28:22.70
all possess different talents,
we all possess different gifts
00:28:22.73\00:28:25.07
but God knows who and when you
know to put together so that His
00:28:25.10\00:28:33.07
word can go forth, and His
message can go forth. So let's
00:28:33.11\00:28:38.31
talk about the behind-the-
scenes of putting one of the
00:28:38.35\00:28:43.59
journey productions together.
We actually have some photos
00:28:43.62\00:28:47.49
don't we? Let's take a look
at those. Tell us what's going
00:28:47.52\00:28:52.33
on in each or
who these people are.
00:28:52.36\00:28:54.40
This is our first production in
Slovenia. As you can see we were
00:28:54.43\00:28:59.83
much younger there. We got a bit
of rain but actually in general
00:28:59.87\00:29:06.37
we've never had bad weather.
We've always had things that are
00:29:06.41\00:29:10.45
nice. Okay this is in
Germany filming outdoors.
00:29:10.48\00:29:16.38
The challenges of filming
outdoors. Yes and here we're
00:29:16.42\00:29:21.32
filming an the story of an
environmentalist, so you see the
00:29:21.36\00:29:26.46
windmills there in the
background. And we tried to use
00:29:26.49\00:29:31.60
every space we have. This is at
one of our homes. We used three
00:29:31.63\00:29:37.71
two different, well actually
three different angles of this
00:29:37.74\00:29:42.68
one home to film into these.
Yes here's Heber and Patrick
00:29:42.71\00:29:50.39
two videographers to film
one of the talents in the nearby
00:29:50.42\00:29:56.42
city. Yes there's a neat story
about this one. This has also
00:29:56.46\00:30:04.07
the side issue of spiritualism
and this artwork, it's out in
00:30:04.10\00:30:09.80
the open air...We didn't know
about it. A passerby gave us a
00:30:09.84\00:30:15.34
map as we were filming and so
you can maybe continue the story
00:30:15.38\00:30:22.28
All right, so we were
there filming these people were
00:30:22.32\00:30:30.43
walking by and they said oh
do you know there are other art
00:30:30.46\00:30:33.33
works around this forest. And
so we got the map and we and it
00:30:33.36\00:30:41.57
fitted perfectly to the
story of special interest.
00:30:41.60\00:30:44.37
Not only that, we can look
at the picture again maybe, the
00:30:44.41\00:30:49.91
clouds are perfect.
00:30:49.94\00:30:51.28
That is, that's a good shot.
00:30:51.31\00:30:54.35
And then sometimes as you see on
the next photo there we have to
00:30:54.38\00:31:01.02
get up really early in the
morning. This was at, I think it
00:31:01.06\00:31:05.46
was a very early rise.
00:31:05.49\00:31:06.83
It was cold too, wasn't it?
00:31:06.86\00:31:08.60
Yes, it was very cold. And you
just have to catch the golden
00:31:08.63\00:31:13.64
light at the
sunrise. (That's dedication)
00:31:13.67\00:31:16.54
This is incidence.com recording.
That's Patrick on the right, our
00:31:16.57\00:31:23.55
videographer and editor This was
another one of those long days
00:31:23.58\00:31:31.62
Even after this, we went
to record on the underground.
00:31:31.65\00:31:37.63
It was quite a long day that one
00:31:37.66\00:31:39.73
And this is Darby one of
our videographers and he's here
00:31:39.76\00:31:46.84
filming his father. One of the
testimonies is about the father
00:31:46.87\00:31:51.01
so it was very special to see
how they worked together. (Yes)
00:31:51.04\00:31:55.71
And this is Darby's mom who
did an amazing job at putting a
00:31:55.74\00:32:01.62
puzzle together. It took her all
day for a three-second sequence
00:32:01.65\00:32:07.12
that we had when Albert is
putting like three pieces of
00:32:07.16\00:32:11.36
puzzle at the end (wow) so she
really did a great job there.
00:32:11.39\00:32:16.26
This was our last production
in Germany and it was very, very
00:32:16.30\00:32:24.74
hot there. It was
over 40 degrees Celsius.
00:32:24.77\00:32:29.91
No wonder there's no coats or
no snowy hats or anything like
00:32:29.94\00:32:33.88
that there so yeah, yeah. It
looked like it was a beautiful
00:32:33.92\00:32:36.22
day though. Yes for sure.
00:32:36.25\00:32:39.02
So his mom put together a puzzle
Took all day to put together a
00:32:39.05\00:32:47.10
little puzzle for a three second
sequence? Wow! And what was the
00:32:47.13\00:32:54.20
message behind
that particular...
00:32:54.24\00:32:58.34
I think the pieces of his puzzle
coming together so it's a little
00:32:58.37\00:33:05.18
...if we can do this visual
messaging we like to come up
00:33:05.21\00:33:11.85
with creative ways
to support the story.
00:33:11.89\00:33:17.43
Yeah so he had a lot of
questions about the Bible
00:33:17.46\00:33:19.39
especially how the Old Testament
fits together with the New
00:33:19.43\00:33:23.00
Testament. In the Old Testament
you have...He saw a God that was
00:33:23.03\00:33:29.60
stern, not so much love, and
then in the New Testament, you
00:33:29.64\00:33:34.08
have more of a loving God. So
he just couldn't understand how
00:33:34.11\00:33:36.48
those two fit together. And then
when he understood that all the
00:33:36.51\00:33:40.72
sacrifices in the Old Testament
they prefigure the sacrifice of
00:33:40.75\00:33:45.75
Jesus in the New Testament and
that was the puzzle piece that
00:33:45.79\00:33:50.83
came. (Uh-huh)
00:33:50.86\00:33:52.19
Oh that's awesome (Put together)
That's great, the missing puzzle
00:33:52.23\00:33:55.46
piece. What are some future
productions that you have?
00:33:55.50\00:33:58.93
planned?
00:33:58.97\00:34:01.20
Right. Well we've always
had this burden for making
00:34:01.24\00:34:05.61
documentaries, longer
documentaries. So the one that
00:34:05.64\00:34:09.41
we have next on our goal is
to do a documentary about health
00:34:09.44\00:34:17.12
in the Bible. (Okay, okay) Maybe
you want to explain a bit more.
00:34:17.15\00:34:20.46
Yes, so a lot of people are
interested in health these days
00:34:20.49\00:34:25.59
and I think also after the
coronavirus epidemic I think
00:34:25.63\00:34:31.40
people are open to the message
of health and we see that I'm
00:34:31.43\00:34:37.41
sure here in America but also
where we live in Europe. And so
00:34:37.44\00:34:42.48
we thought that health would be
an interesting angle to take on
00:34:42.51\00:34:46.92
the Bible because the Bible
has so many things to say about
00:34:46.95\00:34:51.22
health. Everything from resting
to diet, a plant-based diet the
00:34:51.25\00:34:59.86
advantages of that, the
different health laws in the Old
00:34:59.89\00:35:04.00
Testament, like the quarantine
laws, and hygiene laws, clean
00:35:04.03\00:35:11.04
and unclean meat. Also
the benefits of having a
00:35:11.07\00:35:14.44
relationship with God, you know
the peace that it brings and the
00:35:14.48\00:35:18.48
benefits to mental and emotional
health. So all these things they
00:35:18.51\00:35:22.02
you find them in your Bible.
When you read documents that
00:35:22.05\00:35:26.99
were written at the time the
Bible was written some of them
00:35:27.02\00:35:31.99
you cannot help but laugh
you know using cow dung as a
00:35:32.03\00:35:39.63
medicine or other strange
things But we have nothing to be
00:35:39.67\00:35:43.61
ashamed of in the Bible.
Everything that has been written
00:35:43.64\00:35:46.68
in the Bible about health makes
sense today and is of benefit to
00:35:46.71\00:35:50.68
people. So we thought why not
show these things about health
00:35:50.71\00:35:55.55
in the Bible and hope that it
will strengthen people's trust
00:35:55.58\00:36:00.62
or build up the
trust in the Bible.
00:36:00.66\00:36:02.62
Yes, amen. You know I think I
would struggle with the cow dung
00:36:02.66\00:36:06.90
one. I don't know if I would
want to take that medicine on
00:36:06.93\00:36:10.00
that one. But no that's
incredible and so many people
00:36:10.03\00:36:14.07
need to learn about health. Like
people are wanting good health.
00:36:14.10\00:36:19.34
You realize your need for Christ
big time when you're stuck in
00:36:19.37\00:36:25.81
the hospital, the situation
is out of your control, there's
00:36:25.85\00:36:28.52
nothing you can do and that's
often when people are looking to
00:36:28.55\00:36:32.85
Jesus. Really we should be
looking to Jesus the whole time.
00:36:32.89\00:36:35.52
Not when we get in these
situations. But that is really
00:36:35.56\00:36:40.86
good to teach about health and
the Bible and it goes along with
00:36:40.90\00:36:45.67
the mission and vision of your
ministry because you're showing
00:36:45.70\00:36:51.27
people the validity of the Bible
and how it's applicable to their
00:36:51.31\00:36:54.51
life. So that's really good,
I love that, I love that. How do
00:36:54.54\00:37:00.25
you go about determining
where you're going to film?
00:37:00.28\00:37:04.62
Yeah well obviously where the
people are. So if they're from
00:37:04.65\00:37:12.96
Germany...I mean we like to be
more on location wherever they
00:37:12.99\00:37:17.53
are. So you get to see their
environment and many places
00:37:17.57\00:37:25.57
that they had in their story.
The school they went to or the
00:37:25.61\00:37:31.51
different aspects so I think
where they're from determines
00:37:31.55\00:37:36.52
more. Yeah so we love filming on
00:37:36.55\00:37:40.69
location and yes we have been
blessed to see different places
00:37:40.72\00:37:47.03
but also been very blessed to
make friends of the people that
00:37:47.06\00:37:52.03
we have to film. That has
been a great bonus. Some of the
00:37:52.07\00:37:56.20
people that we have filmed
we have not known previously but
00:37:56.24\00:37:58.41
we have become great friends.
And with the documentary yes we
00:37:58.44\00:38:05.68
are following God's leading. So
I think it will be guided by the
00:38:05.71\00:38:14.56
research that goes behind the
documentary, where we're going
00:38:14.59\00:38:17.23
to film. We want to capture
experts giving their knowledge
00:38:17.26\00:38:25.93
about the subject but also we
want to also have stories, many
00:38:25.97\00:38:31.34
stories of people who have
benefitted from living a healthy
00:38:31.37\00:38:36.81
lifestyle.
00:38:36.85\00:38:38.75
Mm-huh. That's going to be great
That is going to be great. So
00:38:38.78\00:38:43.22
you like to film on location,
you want to get the testimonies
00:38:43.25\00:38:47.59
and journeys of people who
have benefitted from that health
00:38:47.62\00:38:53.23
counsel and get the experts to
speak as well, yeah. Yeah that's
00:38:53.26\00:38:56.77
going to be powerful. Tell
me about your role with the
00:38:56.80\00:39:01.10
ministry. What does a
day in your life look like?
00:39:01.14\00:39:04.67
Well so my official title is
communications director but I'm
00:39:04.71\00:39:13.05
also logistics so when we go out
on the road, I'm the one who's
00:39:13.08\00:39:17.95
driving there and making sure we
have you know the parking sorted
00:39:17.99\00:39:24.69
out, it's the food to eat for
the crew, just all the practical
00:39:24.73\00:39:29.73
things so they can focus on the
actual recording. And then with
00:39:29.76\00:39:36.77
communications I write to
different broadcasting networks
00:39:36.81\00:39:39.37
and you know offer our
programming and send files to
00:39:39.41\00:39:46.78
them, so...
00:39:46.82\00:39:49.15
Yes and we've been very happy
that 3ABN has been focusing
00:39:49.18\00:39:54.96
journeys. That has been a
tremendous blessing and thank
00:39:54.99\00:39:58.89
you so much.
00:39:58.93\00:40:00.26
Oh praise the Lord we're happy
to hear it for sure. These are
00:40:00.30\00:40:02.90
powerful, powerful testimonies
that everyone needs to check out
00:40:02.93\00:40:05.70
Everybody needs to check that
out. And you are the writer and
00:40:05.73\00:40:10.44
producer. So what does it look
like for you because people who
00:40:10.47\00:40:13.68
are sharing their stories
but what kind of writing are you
00:40:13.71\00:40:16.85
doing and what's the role of
a producer and what's that look
00:40:16.88\00:40:20.68
like?
00:40:20.72\00:40:22.05
Yes well I'm having fun in
my work every time we do these
00:40:22.08\00:40:27.79
productions because I get to
hear the stories first and I try
00:40:27.82\00:40:35.96
to keep their words so we do
scripts, the stories. But we try
00:40:36.00\00:40:44.44
to keep their voice and their
words and also we're starting to
00:40:44.47\00:40:53.18
think about how we can
illustrate the story, a view we
00:40:53.21\00:40:58.72
want. So then we get together
the team and we brainstorm about
00:40:58.75\00:41:02.72
that and plan that. And then it
is also very interesting how God
00:41:02.76\00:41:10.97
brings us new ideas. As we go on
location we see places that fit
00:41:11.00\00:41:16.67
the story perfectly but we
didn't know about it and we
00:41:16.71\00:41:19.94
couldn't have known. And those
new experiences they also they
00:41:19.97\00:41:26.15
strengthen our faith to see how
God is leading us and how He's
00:41:26.18\00:41:29.88
helping us in the productions.
00:41:29.92\00:41:31.62
And then again it's God putting
those puzzle pieces together the
00:41:31.65\00:41:35.92
missing pieces, I love it. How
important is maintaining a solid
00:41:35.96\00:41:42.20
devotional life for you all?
How important is that as you're
00:41:42.23\00:41:47.07
leading out in the ministry?
00:41:47.10\00:41:48.50
Yeah, well it's vital. If we're
not connected to Christ then we
00:41:48.54\00:41:54.21
don't have power. You know we're
just going on our own, our own
00:41:54.24\00:41:58.21
steam. But we need to
continually get strength from
00:41:58.25\00:42:01.95
God, wisdom and
guidance every day.
00:42:01.98\00:42:09.29
Yes as Daniel mentioned earlier
we see the great controversy
00:42:09.32\00:42:14.46
at play when we do these
productions. And sometimes when
00:42:14.50\00:42:19.23
there's a particularly hard
issue may be something that has
00:42:19.27\00:42:23.81
has to do with the enemy we
see that particularly that it is
00:42:23.84\00:42:33.62
very strong and we are humbled
and we are in need of prayer.
00:42:33.65\00:42:38.29
And we have also seen how
when we have come to a difficult
00:42:38.32\00:42:44.73
place, maybe we thought that
okay we'll not be able to finish
00:42:44.76\00:42:48.06
this production because of some
very thorny issues that have
00:42:48.10\00:42:50.80
come up how God has helped
us and has brought it to a
00:42:50.83\00:42:55.20
resolution and we
praise Him for that.
00:42:55.24\00:42:58.27
Amen, amen. We see the
same thing here at 3ABN. We have
00:42:58.31\00:43:02.14
sometimes some random thing
happen and it's nothing but the
00:43:02.18\00:43:06.11
enemy trying to hinder the
progress of the gospel going
00:43:06.15\00:43:08.88
forward. But praise God,
He's bigger than the enemy. He
00:43:08.92\00:43:13.76
triumphs every time. Yeah, yeah,
so I love that. So getting back
00:43:13.79\00:43:20.23
to the documentary about health
and the Bible. How long do you
00:43:20.26\00:43:27.47
think you want to make that?
00:43:27.50\00:43:30.97
Yes, that is a very good
question. So our challenge will
00:43:31.01\00:43:36.31
be to restrain ourselves because
there's so much to share and we
00:43:36.34\00:43:40.58
are so excited about the
things that we have found in our
00:43:40.62\00:43:45.02
research. And so to decide
exactly how to condense things
00:43:45.05\00:43:48.32
and how to focus will be a
challenge but maybe an hour or
00:43:48.36\00:43:53.90
maybe two episodes. We
have not decided yet, but...
00:43:53.93\00:43:57.40
Okay, you're answer's not set
in stone today. It's not set in
00:43:57.43\00:44:02.17
stone, good deal. Okay.
00:44:02.20\00:44:04.27
But it will be a feature
documentary so it's...Our
00:44:04.31\00:44:08.11
journeys have been 15 minute
programs, but the documentary
00:44:08.14\00:44:15.35
will be longer.
00:44:15.38\00:44:18.65
Yes and about the 15 minutes,
so we have seen how God has best
00:44:18.69\00:44:26.06
in showing these stories. If
He leads and opens the door, we
00:44:26.09\00:44:31.83
would like to continue to make
these and maybe do a season two
00:44:31.87\00:44:35.60
of journeys where we have
perhaps longer stories. So maybe
00:44:35.64\00:44:43.24
do them in half an hour format.
00:44:43.28\00:44:44.88
Some stories already that
we featured in the first season
00:44:44.91\00:44:48.48
we thought oh there's so many
good things to tell and we only
00:44:48.52\00:44:52.29
have 15 minutes. Yes,
we are praying about that.
00:44:52.32\00:44:56.62
So you've had to cut some down
Oh man, that's tough, editing,
00:44:56.66\00:45:02.26
cutting things down
like that, yeah. Mm-huh.
00:45:02.30\00:45:07.04
And even in how fast the talent
speaks can effect. So you have a
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script that's only 2000 words
and if they speak fast or slow
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then you know when you try to
make up that time or cut it down
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a little bit here
and a little bit there.
00:45:23.35\00:45:25.35
Mm-huh, kind of massage it a
little bit and get it just right
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yeah, for sure. What are
the needs of your ministry?
00:45:29.26\00:45:34.96
Well the prevailing number
one is prayer. We need people to
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pray for us. Yeah, without
prayer we're not going to go
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anywhere.
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And not just for the production
but that these journeys, the
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testimonies that they will reach
the intended audience and that
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is people who are searching. And
that comes with a lot of prayer
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I think prayer is key here. And
following up from that is where
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we hope and pray that our
viewers will get inspired to
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share the stories with the
people they know because we all
00:46:12.40\00:46:15.90
know people who have not given
their lives to God or maybe are
00:46:15.94\00:46:20.31
unbelievers, and to share these
stories. It only takes a little
00:46:20.34\00:46:24.11
click to just copy the
link and send it on to someone.
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That's right, that's right. Do
you need any volunteers? Is that
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a need?
00:46:32.15\00:46:33.99
Yes, we can always use help.
Also if our viewers know of a
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very good story of somebody who
has maybe been an unbeliever and
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have come to know God then we're
always happy to hear from them.
00:46:44.77\00:46:49.44
Now what if someone lives in the
United States. All right, how
00:46:49.47\00:46:54.24
can they share? Do they, I mean
will you guys come to America?
00:46:54.28\00:46:57.78
(Absolutely) Or do they need
to like be on Skype. How's that
00:46:57.81\00:47:03.28
work?
00:47:03.32\00:47:04.79
Absolutely. We're happy to
travel to America. And I think
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God has so many good stories
here in America. So far we have
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done stories of Europeans mainly
but why not? God has brought so
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many people to faith to
Him through the Holy Spirit.
00:47:22.40\00:47:24.94
Absolutely, absolutely. Well
I hope that our listeners and
00:47:24.97\00:47:29.94
viewers will get involved with
the project that you have going
00:47:29.98\00:47:34.95
on and you're going to let
us know when that documentary
00:47:34.98\00:47:37.92
becomes available, right? (Yeah,
yes) Yeah, I want to see that
00:47:37.95\00:47:42.62
on health and the Bible. Okay.
So just to recap a little bit
00:47:42.66\00:47:48.10
here. Writer and producer. So
you help smooth things out and
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communications and logistics
and multiple hats. How do you
00:47:54.47\00:47:59.61
maintain the time management
aspect? Because time can slip
00:47:59.64\00:48:03.78
away from you. How do
you balance everything?
00:48:03.81\00:48:06.92
Yeah well it is a challenge and
especially because we're running
00:48:06.95\00:48:13.12
a business that has to keep
going and then when we do these
00:48:13.15\00:48:18.16
productions we don't get paid
for them so once we start then
00:48:18.19\00:48:25.93
we have to finish them and we
have to just keep going for them
00:48:25.97\00:48:31.24
And when you asked about needs
it's something that we are yeah
00:48:31.27\00:48:36.44
we feel the need of funding our
productions so that we can grow
00:48:36.48\00:48:42.45
and expand because right now
we feel restricted by basically
00:48:42.48\00:48:49.72
time, how much time we can
put into it. So it goes slower.
00:48:49.76\00:48:54.23
And so to be able to do them at
the faster pace. That would be a
00:48:54.26\00:48:59.87
tremendous blessing.
00:48:59.90\00:49:01.44
Yes and also even marketing and
all of that stuff, getting the
00:49:01.47\00:49:06.24
word out there. Word of mouth is
a powerful, powerful tool but so
00:49:06.27\00:49:10.55
is Facebook, so are some of
these other mediums to get it
00:49:10.58\00:49:14.18
out there but some of these
things they cost. They take
00:49:14.22\00:49:17.32
resources and
finances and stuff like that.
00:49:17.35\00:49:22.82
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yes
maybe we can share a story
00:49:22.86\00:49:24.26
from our last production
about the car that wouldn't die.
00:49:24.29\00:49:30.20
Yeah so we have an old fish car
with quite a few miles on it and
00:49:30.23\00:49:35.34
earlier this year I had
this prayer about this car.
00:49:35.37\00:49:40.51
I said well if
00:49:40.54\00:49:42.28
it's going to take us through
the summer travels then please
00:49:42.31\00:49:49.05
God you know either make it
break before so we can have time
00:49:49.08\00:49:54.69
to fix it or can it just take
us all the way through. So we're
00:49:54.72\00:49:59.19
on our way to Germany and
about 280 miles in we hear this
00:49:59.23\00:50:04.83
horrible sound somewhere from
the engine and we stop, we pray
00:50:04.87\00:50:12.87
we call a friend, mechanic
friend and then we have no
00:50:12.91\00:50:19.15
other choice but to keep going.
So we kept going even with all
00:50:19.18\00:50:25.49
these sounds coming from the car
and we did the production. We
00:50:25.52\00:50:31.59
tried to use it as little as
possible and we managed to get
00:50:31.63\00:50:38.03
all the way home.
The car was still going.
00:50:38.07\00:50:42.60
And we were praying, Okay Lord
please help us to get to this
00:50:42.64\00:50:44.77
next mile. If we can get to here
and then we got home and then
00:50:44.81\00:50:52.55
two days later the
car broke completely.
00:50:52.58\00:50:55.22
Yeah, it was not
drivable. I couldn't drive it.
00:50:55.25\00:50:58.55
But the Lord helped it to
go just as long as we needed to
00:50:58.59\00:51:05.09
get home and He was faithful.
He was faithful in His promise
00:51:05.13\00:51:08.43
that He would provide for us.
00:51:08.46\00:51:09.80
Amen, amen. That's a tremendous
answer to prayer. It was the
00:51:09.83\00:51:12.83
little engine that could by
God's grace. He got you all the
00:51:12.87\00:51:17.51
way home. And you know that also
shows that God wants to hear
00:51:17.54\00:51:20.41
from us. He wants us to pray
for the things that we need. He
00:51:20.44\00:51:25.01
wants us to talk to Him about
everything. There's no detail
00:51:25.05\00:51:28.98
too small that He doesn't
want to hear. He cares about our
00:51:29.02\00:51:32.32
every need. (Amen) And that's
a wonderful illustration of that
00:51:32.35\00:51:37.36
I can't believe our time is
running out, it's escaping us.
00:51:37.39\00:51:41.56
We are going to go to an address
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