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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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my life removing pain ¤
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¤ Lord let my words
heal a heart that hurts ¤
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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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Hello friends and welcome to
another 3ABN Today. My name is
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James Rafferty and I am
here with my lovely wife Rise
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(ReeSee) Rafferty. Thirty-three
years now. Praise the Lord.
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We're so glad you've joined us
today. We have a great program
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If you are into learning how to
relax, learning how to destress
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learn about health, massage, get
a little bit of education on the
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side and kind of get into a
retreat that kind of out and
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away from the city a little bit,
you have come to the right place
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at the right time because we
have a table full of guests that
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are going to tell you just how
you can do that and just where
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you can do that. So to
my immediate right, to our
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immediate right is Melody.
Melody, glad you're here.
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Tell us a little bit
about yourself and where you are
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(Melody Caviness) coming
from and what you're here for.
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Well I just came from the Black
Hills in South Dakota, I say
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South DakoTa and I moved from
Ohio to South Dakota. And I was
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kind of commissioned to
come there to go to work as the
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general manager. And so I
do whatever I'm asked to do.
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Okay that's what general
manager's all about. (Multiple
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voices and laughter)
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We know you as the chef as the
cook here at camp meeting when
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we have camp meeting here. So
you probably do a little bit of
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that there too.
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Just a little bit.
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Yeah. Praise the Lord. And
to your immediate right is Mark
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Anthony. Mark tell us about
yourself and what you're doing
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here and your
relationship to Black Hills.
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Okay well I'm the president
over at Black Hills Health and
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Education Center and of course
if people have watched us on
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3ABN and things like that you've
seen Mark and Melody on 3ABN
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many, many times over the
years doing cooking programs and
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things like that. And of course
I had to drag her over to Black
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Hills kicking and screaming but
I got her. Now that I know she's
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willing to do anything, we're
good to go. We're definitely
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good to go.
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They can cut that part out.
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So you're president of Black...
Okay, all right, Praise the Lord
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Now to your immediate right is
a couple, Brenda and Al, and you
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are here also from Black Hills.
Tell us a little bit about your
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association with
Black Hills and what you do.
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Well this is my beautiful wife
Brenda (Al and Brenda Trace) and
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we've been at Black Hills
now for seven years and our main
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project there has been running
the massage school. We are the
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only Adventist massage school
we know of anywhere. So we've
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really been blessed with
the students that we get.
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So you're doing a school there
at Black Hills, massage school
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there at Black
Hills. (Yes) Okay great.
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We now do it. So COVID was a
challenge for a lot of people
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but for us, it was a real
blessing because the school was
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full-time coming to the six
months but when COVID came we
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weren't sure what to do. We
didn't know if people were ever
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going to be allowed to massage
or what interaction was going to
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be. So we put all of our non
hands-on classes online via Zoom
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They're live classes that you
have to attend. But that allows
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people to work there in the
evenings so people can work and
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still go to school and then they
only come to Black Hills for 11
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weeks which is sort of
interesting because in the
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beginning they think it's a real
trial to leave home and then
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after they've been there for two
or three weeks they want to know
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how they can stay permanently.
I'm like no, no, no you're only
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here for 11 weeks. We're pushing
you out of the door when you're
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done. But it has allowed the
school to draw older students
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who wouldn't necessarily want to
leave home for six months and in
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this last class we had
both a retired OT (Occupational
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therapist) and a PT (Physical
Therapist) who wanted to switch
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careers so both of them were
a little bit older. So we have a
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variety of students. So
we're pretty excited about that.
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Plus it makes it substantially
less expensive to not have them
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on-site all this time.
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Okay less expensive for
them so it's more affordable.
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Yeah it's far more affordable
than other places that do
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massage therapy schools. (Okay)
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One of the interesting things,
the two students that Brenda was
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talking about. Some people
say I am too old to be a massage
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therapist. This one
student was 78 years old.
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Incredible.
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Yeah she had her 78th birthday
while she was on campus so...
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How did she get
into massage therapy?
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We can sign you up
today if you'd like.
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You're kind of laughing about
that but at ASI we ran into an
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individual that Al knew when he
was a student, when that guy was
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a student at PUC (Pacific Union
College) and I was director of
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enrollment there. And I just
happened to mention something
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about the massage program and he
went Hold on a second. You guys
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run a massage school? And he
has a wife who has RA which is
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rheumatoid arthritis. They
travel a lot and massage really,
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really helps her so he is always
looking for a massage therapist
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for her. And he said you know
God kind of put it on my heart
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to maybe I should learn massage
therapy so that I could help her
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and he was so excited. So we're
kind of expecting him to come
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just for the hands-on part
because he doesn't want to get a
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license, he doesn't want to be
a professional; he just wants to
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learn massage. So he's going to
come this summer, actually, it's
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this winter, for the massage
program and the hands-on part
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and learn so that as he's
traveling with his wife he can
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give her that relief that she
needs. I think that is really an
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amazing gift.
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Okay I know we can keep going
here. For our viewers, I'm just
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going to take a little bit
of an aside here. I just want to
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emphasize. Did you hear that?
This is really amazing. There
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are couples who can help each
other if you've got rheumatoid
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arthritis, if you've got a need
in that area here's a husband
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that's going to help his wife
by taking this massage classes
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so that he can
alleviate some the pains.
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(Rese) I'm feeling
(multiple voices and laughter)
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We are going to...just to take
a little aside here, we've got
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an amazing musician. He used to
be a member of the church that I
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pastored for a while, Jonathan
Kasabasic and he's going to
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bring us a song Were It Not
For Grace, a beautiful song, and
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then we are going to be
right back so don't go away.
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¤ ¤
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¤ Time measured out my
days Life carried me along ¤
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¤ In my soul I
yearned to follow God ¤
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¤ But I knew I'd
never be so strong ¤
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¤ I looked hard at this world ¤
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¤ To learn how
heaven could be gained ¤
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¤ Just to end where I began ¤
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¤ Where human
effort is all in vain ¤
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¤ Were it not for grace I
can tell you where I'd be ¤
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¤ Wandering down some
pointless road to nowhere ¤
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¤ My salvation up to me ¤
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¤ I know how that would go
know the battles I would face ¤
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¤ Forever running
but losing the race ¤
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¤ Were it not for grace ¤
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¤ So here is all my praise
Expressed with all my heart ¤
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¤ Offered to the
one who took my place ¤
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¤ And ran a course
I could not start ¤
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¤ And when He saw in full ¤
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¤ Just how much
His love would cost ¤
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¤ He still went the final
mile between me and heaven ¤
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¤ So I would not be lost ¤
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¤ Were it not for grace I
can tell you where I'd be ¤
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¤ Wandering down some
pointless road to nowhere ¤
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¤ With my salvation up to me ¤
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¤ But I know how that would go
All the battles I would face ¤
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¤ Forever running
but losing the race ¤
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¤ Were it not for grace ¤
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¤ Forever running
but losing the race ¤
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¤ Were it not for grace ¤
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Praise God. That is a powerful
song. Jonathan has a gift
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doesn't he? He has a gift and
that gift needs to be used for
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the Lord. If you'd like
Jonathan to come and share at
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your church you need to get
ahold of 3ABN and get ahold of
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him because I think he needs
to be touching hearts with that
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powerful, powerful gift. (I
agree) Well we want to attend to
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our program but before we do
that we want to be sure and ask
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the Holy Spirit to be here. Rise
would you like to pray for us?
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Sure. (All right.) Father
we just thank you for this time
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where we can meet with brothers
and sisters in Christ and learn
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from them. We pray that you
bless their ministry and as they
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share the work that you've put
in their hands, the talents that
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you've given them Father,
that you would bless them and
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increase them and that the
viewers would be drawn in some
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way to a closer understanding
of your will for their lives. We
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ask for your presence
here now in Jesus' name amen.
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Amen, amen. You know I've heard
about Black Hills over the years
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and I've been around Adventists
now for almost 40 years about
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38 years. But I don't know the
history of Black Hills like you
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know when did it start, who
started it, you know. Can you
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guys share, Al and Brenda, can
you...You've been there seven
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years right, so you probably...
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Yeah we've been there a long
time. (Oh yeah) We actually went
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there for two months.
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Oh, you did? That's
what the original plan was?
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Yeah, that was
the original plan.
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You went there for 60 days
and it turned into seven years?
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Yes, because who wants to go to
South Dakota. And I said oh two
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months, it's not a big deal
in the summer, well in the fall.
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Yeah, no big deal.
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Beautiful in the fall.
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But then we felt that God really
put it on our hearts to move
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there so...Black Hills
was started in 1980. Yeah.
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Forty-three years now.
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Three different couples got
together and one of the couples,
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well actually I think they were
all from North Dakota and they
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...Willard and Elinore Worth
sold a farm and everything that
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they had in North Dakota and
they actually went to Weimar for
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one year. Willard had a masters
in education and he wanted to
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start a school. So he went to
Weimar for one year and ran the
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school out there and then
they started asking around for
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property. And they called the
realtor and they said you know
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we'd like something with a creek
and a canyon and the realtor
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went ha, ha, ha so does
everybody. So but then I don't
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know a few months later he
called them back and he said I
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have this piece of property that
you might be interested in and
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do you remember
what the original...
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I think it was around
500 acres initially. (Okay)
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So it does have a beautiful
creek that runs through the
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middle of the property. It is in
a canyon and it's gorgeous and
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it was a retreat. It was built
as a, I think, kind of a hunting
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lodge kind of thing that had one
small building on it and they
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came in and over the years
it has expanded and different
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buildings have been built and
we just think it's one of the
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prettiest places, you know.
Anyway but at night you can
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listen to the coyotes howl. I'll
never forget the one night I
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said to Al what is that
screaming? And I said you know
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what I think that's a mountain
lion. And he said no it's not a
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mountain lion. Here I'll show
you and he goes on YouTube and
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he looks up what a mountain lion
sounds like and I was like yeah
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right, so we had like stereo.
We had it on YouTube and then we
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could hear it outside (laughter)
and we'd hear it outside.
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And sometimes you'll see the
footprints right by the front
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door, so it's kind of a wild and
crazy...We had one student who
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came one time from Southern
California and we couldn't get
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to her. She was in one of what
we call a pod which is kind of
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like a condo. You have an
individual bedroom within the
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apartment. She had locked every
door that she could get between
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her and the outside. And I
was like what? And she goes well
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this is the country you don't
know what could hurt you out
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here. And I thought you live in
Southern Cal and you're scared
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here? So it's just been, I think
it's been a place that's been a
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blessing to a lot of people.
Willard and I are the only
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living couple left of the
original founders, but they do
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live near the center and
it's just, it's phenomenal.
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You got to be pretty happy about
what's going on now. Seems like
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you guys pretty exuberant and
happy, I mean excited about some
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of the new things that you're
doing and some of the things
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you continued. So what do you
do a lifestyle, I mean at the
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Black Hills Lifestyle
Center. What do you treat?
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Well we decided to do things
different than most people do
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things. I know I've been
and Melody's been to a different
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lifestyle centers all over
the country and I've done events
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at different
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centers and coming into Black
Hills we just said how can we do
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things better, how can we do
things different, how can we do
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things original. And so we've
really changed the dynamics of
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it. Everything from the wellness
center for example. A lot of
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places do it like a one size
fits all, but what we've done
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is we've hybridized the
system and we have a number of
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different doctors that we can
refer to around the country. So
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depending on the people's
problems, you know some people
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have...we're probably one of the
only places that specialize in
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autoimmune diseases right
now. So if there's a particular
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autoimmune disease that you have
we've got particular specialists
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that we can refer to, zoom with,
and get the right counseling so
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we know exactly what diet and
what treatments to put you on.
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So it's a whole different kind
of a system and what it does it
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makes us better able to treat
people and we can actually reach
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more people with that. So that's
one of the thing that we do with
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the wellness center. The
wellness center we can treat
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everything from diabetes to high
blood pressure, certain cancer
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protocols, you know, pretty much
everything that we can do there.
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We've also changed the dynamics
of the rest of the facility
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there. We've hybridized part of
the system where we can invite
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people like VRBO (vacation
rental by owner) and air B and B
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and those type of places so they
can come down and just find out
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who we are and what we do. And
we market it that we're a you
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know a Christian based
organization that treats these
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lifestyle centers. We're a
non profit and it is amazing how
00:18:13.12\00:18:17.79
many people we have had out
there to experience what we do.
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In fact, we had 11 pastors
now from different denominations
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coming out there because they
just want a nice place so they
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can take their family that
doesn't have the alcohol and the
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drugs and all the you
know things, rollercoasters and
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everything. They just want...
Yeah and so it's just worked to
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the benefit of the Lord because
that's everything we want to do
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and we can witness to people in
that caliber too. We also have
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it available for pastoral
retreats. If pastors want to
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come out and just get some rest
and relaxation and get refreshed
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and revived. We've got the
facility to do that. So we've
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taken it and done more than just
one thing and kind of expanded
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it, opening up the doors,
opening up the doors so we can
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reach the community better
and we have better access. So
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basically, the health message
has not changed and we're not
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changing the health message.
Spirit of prophecy is not
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changed. We're not changing
that. We're kind of changing
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everything else.
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I love that whole idea of...so
it sounds to me like you don't
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have to have two or three or
four doctors on staff but you
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have access to all of these
medical professionals who are
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experts in their specific field
that can give input to patients
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on a variety of different
needs that they have. Is that
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basically...
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It is. And on top of that
just because we have a wellness
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program doesn't mean you have
to be sick to come. You know you
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might just need a retreat. You
might need fresh air, sunshine
00:19:53.09\00:19:55.99
just break away from all of
the past you know pandemic and
00:19:56.02\00:20:00.40
everything that's been going on
by yourself, with your family.
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And we can reach you with just
your spiritual needs just to get
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out in nature. When I met one
of the pastors who was there and
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he said his church had sent
him there to have a like a day
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retreat to breathe. And he
talked to Mark and he said you
00:20:17.08\00:20:20.22
know this is a vacation I didn't
know I needed. He said I stepped
00:20:20.25\00:20:24.12
foot on this property and I went
down by the creek and he said
00:20:24.15\00:20:27.42
I sat there and I thought Lord
you're in this place. And he
00:20:27.46\00:20:32.79
said so he went back to Mark and
he said I'd like to stay here
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longer. I want to do another
night and Mark said yeah we can
00:20:36.03\00:20:38.27
house you another night. When he
came back the next day he said I
00:20:38.30\00:20:42.54
would stay here another night, I
just can't afford it. Mark said
00:20:42.57\00:20:44.47
yes you can because you're going
to stay another night. So he let
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him stay another night and
that's when we met him and my
00:20:47.74\00:20:51.55
husband...and he was with
another church organization...
00:20:51.58\00:20:54.95
and Wendell and him walked out
to the car and I watched them
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through the window and Wendell
prayed with him and gave him the
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Ten Commandments Twice Removed
and some literature. And it's
00:21:02.52\00:21:05.26
like praise the Lord they're
coming to us. They're coming to
00:21:05.29\00:21:09.13
the Black Hills. We don't even
have to go out. It's like we're
00:21:09.16\00:21:11.83
fishing in a pond where the fish
are jumping out on the bank and
00:21:11.87\00:21:14.74
we don't even need a
hook. It's wonderful.
00:21:14.77\00:21:17.94
Am I understanding this
correctly that if someone has a
00:21:17.97\00:21:20.58
concern they're like I have just
newly diagnosed diabetes or I
00:21:20.61\00:21:23.41
have an autoimmune condition
they don't have to wait for a
00:21:23.45\00:21:26.18
certain program that
you guys have scheduled in?
00:21:26.21\00:21:29.25
No, they can call us and we can
get them out, we've done that a
00:21:29.28\00:21:31.75
number of times
already. Particular people have
00:21:31.79\00:21:35.19
particular needs and we need to
take care of them. We're going
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to take care of them. And one of
the other bigger issues here is
00:21:37.53\00:21:40.83
that there's a lot of people out
there that don't have the time
00:21:40.86\00:21:44.57
or the money. They don't have
$7000 to come out or they don't
00:21:44.60\00:21:49.84
have three or four weeks to come
out and my thought is why are we
00:21:49.87\00:21:55.38
eliminating 99 percent of the
population because they don't
00:21:55.41\00:21:56.75
have the time or they don't have
the funds to come out. And I
00:21:56.78\00:21:59.38
said let's redesign this so
we can get people out here for a
00:21:59.41\00:22:02.05
couple days and in a couple days
we can teach people what they
00:22:02.08\00:22:05.25
need to know so they can work
on it on their own. So it's a
00:22:05.29\00:22:08.32
whole different concept. We're
not called to reach the elite
00:22:08.36\00:22:11.96
you know only. We're supposed to
reach as many people as we can
00:22:11.99\00:22:15.43
with whatever talents God has
given us. I mean if you want to
00:22:15.46\00:22:18.43
just come out and learn some
cooking, Melody's out there.
00:22:18.47\00:22:21.90
(Multiple voices) Yeah we've got
cooking programs too, so you can
00:22:21.94\00:22:28.41
come out and learn cooking.
00:22:28.44\00:22:29.78
Rise, are you hearing what I'm
hearing? Are you thinking what
00:22:29.81\00:22:31.58
I'm thinking. I'm
just thinking about...
00:22:31.61\00:22:33.35
That we need to go out there?
00:22:33.38\00:22:34.72
Not just us. I'm just thinking
about your patients. You know
00:22:34.75\00:22:37.95
Rise's a registered dietician in
functional medicine and you talk
00:22:37.99\00:22:40.66
to people all the time who maybe
could be helped by a day or two.
00:22:40.69\00:22:43.76
Yeah, I think one of the biggest
requests that I've heard is I
00:22:43.79\00:22:46.36
want to go somewhere where I can
learn how to live. Like all this
00:22:46.39\00:22:49.23
information makes sense but
they're kind of on their own and
00:22:49.26\00:22:52.00
being able to go somewhere not
just where everything's done for
00:22:52.03\00:22:55.60
them but where they actually
learn the skills themselves. You
00:22:55.64\00:22:58.47
guys incorporate that?
00:22:58.51\00:22:59.84
Well, we did. This last program
that we had that I left in the
00:22:59.87\00:23:02.98
middle of when they start out
we're just getting into it so
00:23:03.01\00:23:07.68
we're doing most of the cooking
for them. You know they're being
00:23:07.72\00:23:11.89
treated and the nurse is getting
their information, the wellness
00:23:11.92\00:23:15.06
director trying to figure out
what programs they need to use
00:23:15.09\00:23:19.56
them, what treatments. The
second week they come in they're
00:23:19.59\00:23:22.83
in the kitchen more. You know
they're doing their juicing if
00:23:22.86\00:23:25.60
they need to do juicing. They're
actually taking upon themselves
00:23:25.63\00:23:30.07
to work in there and it was
really creative the way that
00:23:30.11\00:23:34.64
Mark and Cheryl Lynn came up
with a program to give them time
00:23:34.68\00:23:38.01
to where they have a point
system so if they go in the
00:23:38.05\00:23:41.22
garden, if they're exercising
even if they're sleeping,
00:23:41.25\00:23:44.35
whatever they're doing, rest,
unplugging, unwinding, they get
00:23:44.39\00:23:49.49
points for that. And those
points add up to where they get
00:23:49.52\00:23:52.76
some kind of a surprise,
(reward) a reward for that.
00:23:52.79\00:23:56.53
Because you know a lot of people
they just need rest and one of
00:23:56.56\00:23:59.53
the biggest hang-ups that we've
seen from lifestyle centers is
00:23:59.57\00:24:03.37
sometimes they over pack
everything so heavy that when
00:24:03.41\00:24:05.81
the people leave they're
like so stressed out. When I'm
00:24:05.84\00:24:09.44
studying complaints a lot
of people said they were just
00:24:09.48\00:24:12.91
over scheduled. So we've under
scheduled people so that we can
00:24:12.95\00:24:16.62
have that opportunity to be
working with them in the kitchen
00:24:16.65\00:24:19.59
(one on one). To give them time
to go out and get some sunlight
00:24:19.62\00:24:21.92
and go out there and hike.
As you know we're in the Black
00:24:21.96\00:24:24.96
Hills of South Dakota. We've got
Badlands, we've got Custer State
00:24:24.99\00:24:29.46
Park, we've got Mount Rushmore,
we've got Crazy Horse Mountain
00:24:29.50\00:24:32.53
How far away are
those from where you're at?
00:24:32.57\00:24:35.40
Most of them are within 30
minutes, yeah, and Al has a
00:24:35.44\00:24:41.11
place over in Wyoming that
he can take guests are certain
00:24:41.14\00:24:44.31
times in the summer to
go digging for dinosaurs.
00:24:44.35\00:24:49.38
Anthropological dig
for Southwestern Adventist
00:24:49.42\00:24:52.02
University. They've been
coming out now for 20 years.
00:24:52.05\00:24:54.39
How far away is that from...
00:24:54.42\00:24:56.02
It's an hour and a half,
but it's an amazing, amazing
00:24:56.06\00:25:00.43
opportunity and experience.
They've pulled over 100,000
00:25:00.46\00:25:04.57
dinosaur bones out of that dig
site and one of the interesting
00:25:04.60\00:25:11.24
stories is there was an atheist
that wanted to come in basically
00:25:11.27\00:25:16.28
(take over) yeah. He wanted
to come in and work this dig to
00:25:16.31\00:25:20.48
show that, you know...
00:25:20.52\00:25:22.85
That evolution is the way it is.
00:25:22.88\00:25:24.75
Exactly. The folks who
owned the ranch are Christians.
00:25:24.79\00:25:29.76
Art Chadwick came in and
shared and they said we want you
00:25:29.79\00:25:35.13
to do this.
00:25:35.16\00:25:36.50
So basically what you're saying
is that when this site was
00:25:36.53\00:25:37.87
discovered, right, it's owned
by a private couple, residents,
00:25:37.90\00:25:42.50
(correct) and when it
was discovered there was an
00:25:42.54\00:25:44.51
evolutionist that wanted to come
in and he just wanted to come in
00:25:44.54\00:25:47.68
and there were Christians that
wanted to come in and both of
00:25:47.71\00:25:49.04
them wanted to o, o, I mean,
oversee the site, and use it and
00:25:49.08\00:25:53.58
dig, etc., and the couple that
owns are Christians and they
00:25:53.62\00:25:56.92
chose the Christians and so
right now those are the people
00:25:56.95\00:25:59.82
that manage the
site? (Yeah) Wow.
00:25:59.85\00:26:02.22
And in fact just this summer
they've been building a new
00:26:02.26\00:26:06.13
facility, a large building
so that they can keep everything
00:26:06.16\00:26:10.80
under cover.
00:26:10.83\00:26:12.17
Let me just clarify this. So
do you say to people, Oh we have
00:26:12.20\00:26:15.37
this place about an hour and
a half from us, you can go down
00:26:15.40\00:26:17.17
there if you want. Or do you
actually, bring people there or
00:26:17.21\00:26:20.04
take people there.
How does that work?
00:26:20.08\00:26:21.41
Well the couple that we met up
with husband and wife, she was a
00:26:21.44\00:26:26.41
pastor at our church that
we went to and so they wanted
00:26:26.45\00:26:30.62
something to do with the kids
that would be meaningful and I
00:26:30.65\00:26:33.22
said, Would you like to take the
kids out to see a dinosaur dig?
00:26:33.25\00:26:38.83
And they said, Can we do that?
And I said yeah, yeah. It always
00:26:38.86\00:26:44.87
has interested me because I
worked on an archeological dig
00:26:44.90\00:26:47.80
years ago. And it's fascinating.
Anthropology and archeology.
00:26:47.84\00:26:52.97
Anyway they said, When can we
go? I said well let me check the
00:26:53.01\00:26:57.15
schedule and a couple of days
later I said I can't stay out
00:26:57.18\00:27:00.95
there for long but follow me.
And the follow me part is crazy
00:27:00.98\00:27:06.05
because getting there is, yeah,
it's a little tricky. But they
00:27:06.09\00:27:11.96
came back and they said this was
a lifetime experience that we
00:27:11.99\00:27:20.34
had. We never experienced
anything like it. We want to
00:27:20.37\00:27:21.90
come back, bring some of
our church members and bring our
00:27:21.94\00:27:25.97
kids back and guess where
they're going to have to stay?
00:27:26.01\00:27:29.28
At Black Hills. Yeah, we do
actually take people on
adventures. We've got vans
00:27:29.31\00:27:35.25
and everything that we transport
people. We try to make every
00:27:35.28\00:27:39.99
adventure that we go on have
some type of meaning. Like I
00:27:40.02\00:27:44.29
took a whole group to the
Badlands which is one of the
00:27:44.33\00:27:46.90
most amazing places that God
created and for lunch, I had my
00:27:46.93\00:27:54.27
cooler there full of junk food.
I mean it was just loaded with
00:27:54.30\00:28:00.24
pizza boxes, and jerky and sodas
and (Multiple voices) and so
00:28:00.28\00:28:05.35
these people are gathered around
you know and I opened up this
00:28:05.38\00:28:08.22
thing and here's all this junk
food you know. They're just like
00:28:08.25\00:28:11.09
shocked but I wanted to teach
them that when you're out there
00:28:11.12\00:28:15.82
traveling you need to be
prepared. Otherwise, you're
00:28:15.86\00:28:18.76
going settle for whatever's
at the next stop. That's why
00:28:18.79\00:28:21.83
truckers have such a big problem
because they get hungry and
00:28:21.86\00:28:24.73
they're going to settle for
whatever's at the next exit. And
00:28:24.77\00:28:28.04
so we need to do...and so we use
this...and then I pull out the
00:28:28.07\00:28:30.41
real food that they need to be
eating, you know. But we try to
00:28:30.44\00:28:33.58
make every single adventure
have some type of a learning
00:28:33.61\00:28:36.95
experience that is really going
to have an impact in their life.
00:28:36.98\00:28:38.88
And a Christian experience on
top of that. We bring the Lord
00:28:38.91\00:28:42.52
into it.
00:28:42.55\00:28:43.89
It sounds like you guys
really accomplished your goal of
00:28:43.92\00:28:45.49
creating something that was
unique and distinct from other
00:28:45.52\00:28:47.69
lifestyle centers. So you
mentioned the location. You know
00:28:47.72\00:28:51.56
it sounds amazing. I've never
been to South Dakota. I really
00:28:51.59\00:28:53.80
would love to go. And then
the treatment, how you can bring
00:28:53.83\00:28:56.93
people in with various health
concerns at different times and
00:28:56.97\00:29:00.37
still, be able to minister
to them. Plus they've got two
00:29:00.40\00:29:05.01
excellent chefs. Is there
anything else that makes you
00:29:05.04\00:29:06.37
guys you know
different and unique?
00:29:06.41\00:29:07.74
You know I think one of
the unique things, we've been
00:29:07.78\00:29:10.31
working on this program of a
protocol whenever they contact
00:29:10.35\00:29:14.98
us or however we get ahold
of them and we speak to them.
00:29:15.02\00:29:17.35
Mark is usually the person they
talk to first and it's like what
00:29:17.39\00:29:22.09
are your goals? What do you want
from us. What are you wanting to
00:29:22.12\00:29:26.19
achieve? It might not be weight
loss, it might not be diabetes,
00:29:26.23\00:29:29.56
it might be something spiritual.
We don't know. And so we find
00:29:29.60\00:29:35.47
the information out and if they
choose to come to one of our
00:29:35.50\00:29:37.37
events, you know, like a two
week, a three week, whatever we
00:29:37.41\00:29:41.58
have in one of our sessions then
we have to dig a little deeper
00:29:41.61\00:29:45.45
and find out what's your life
style at home, especially if
00:29:45.48\00:29:47.85
it's weight loss, diabetes, one
of our lifestyle diseases. And
00:29:47.88\00:29:51.95
then we can set them up with
a list of what they're going to
00:29:51.99\00:29:56.86
need when they get back
home. So when they go back home
00:29:56.89\00:29:59.59
they're not set up for failure.
Because if they don't purge and
00:29:59.63\00:30:02.86
do something different at home
before they come then what's
00:30:02.90\00:30:05.73
going to happen when they
get back? (Same o same o) Same o
00:30:05.77\00:30:09.10
I'm tired. I've been traveling
all day, I've been flying, I
00:30:09.14\00:30:11.54
missed my flight. Things happen,
I get home, I'm hungry, there's
00:30:11.57\00:30:14.34
nothing in the house. Well it's
not going to hurt me to eat this
00:30:14.38\00:30:18.05
one time. I've got leftover cake
and chips or whatever or Little
00:30:18.08\00:30:22.58
Debbie's, whatever they have in
the cabinet. Yes, and I'm going
00:30:22.62\00:30:25.59
to eat that. And then when they
go through the program, I mean
00:30:25.62\00:30:29.62
they leave kicking and
screaming they don't want to go.
00:30:29.66\00:30:32.23
We got to give them projects.
00:30:32.26\00:30:33.60
We have to give them projects.
And when they get back home
00:30:33.63\00:30:36.33
we have what we call coaches
and they don't leave them. If
00:30:36.36\00:30:40.54
we have to call them every week
if that's what it takes months
00:30:40.57\00:30:45.11
(two or three times a week)
Yeah, we call them, we talk to
00:30:45.14\00:30:47.44
them. The people are constantly
what are your needs now, what
00:30:47.48\00:30:50.95
can we do to help you to be
successful with the goals you
00:30:50.98\00:30:54.02
set before you came.
00:30:54.05\00:30:55.48
I love that. So what kind of
staff, do you have there? I mean
00:30:55.52\00:30:57.49
you must have a thousand people
on staff or what. (Laughter)
00:30:57.52\00:31:00.62
We have literally a dozen and a
lot of part-timers when we need
00:31:00.66\00:31:07.56
them for particular things. We
just bring in people as we need
00:31:07.60\00:31:11.23
We've even hybridized that you
know back in Vegas. We call them
00:31:11.27\00:31:15.44
an extra board. And you've got
your extra board, well basically
00:31:15.47\00:31:20.08
got the same system with doctors
nurses, whatever, you know,
00:31:20.11\00:31:22.84
personnel we need, even house
keeping so when we do have those
00:31:22.88\00:31:26.38
times where it's a high
time then we can bring in those
00:31:26.41\00:31:29.22
people.
00:31:29.25\00:31:30.59
And then you can also call on
maybe people that you know that
00:31:30.62\00:31:33.69
are in ministry that may
come in a do a couples retreat
00:31:33.72\00:31:36.12
(Multiple voices and laughter)
00:31:36.16\00:31:43.67
Do we know
anybody who can do that?
00:31:43.70\00:31:45.03
Well because you know speaking
of couples retreats see that's
00:31:45.07\00:31:48.47
another thing that we've changed
the dynamics of on the property.
00:31:48.50\00:31:52.01
It was just focused on wellness.
And we're looking at doing a
00:31:52.04\00:31:58.55
couples retreat this coming
year We also have a family camp
00:31:58.58\00:32:01.75
that's going to be taking place
every memorial day weekend, then
00:32:01.78\00:32:06.15
the week before and after so
we've got a whole time there and
00:32:06.19\00:32:09.16
families can come out there. We
had a whole group of family come
00:32:09.19\00:32:12.29
out there last year and they
absolutely loved it. They were
00:32:12.33\00:32:15.33
because we have projects. They
would go out to the garden and
00:32:15.36\00:32:18.87
pick all the greens, the kids,
we're talking 10-year-old kids
00:32:18.90\00:32:21.90
and then they'd come in the
kitchen and prepare the meal for
00:32:21.94\00:32:24.24
the parents and everything. And
they were loving it. No TVs, we
00:32:24.27\00:32:27.58
don't have TVs. We have trails.
And it allows the kids to
00:32:27.61\00:32:32.61
actually, grow up and
enjoy a good environment.
00:32:32.65\00:32:35.35
We do have internet. It's just
you can't hardly use it. That's
00:32:35.38\00:32:40.39
really a good
purpose. (That's very good)
00:32:40.42\00:32:42.56
But we also have another program
that we're developing which is
00:32:42.59\00:32:47.43
the parents' prayer conference.
And you might be able to tell a
00:32:47.46\00:32:51.13
little bit more about that.
00:32:51.17\00:32:52.50
Because this was your
idea. Now you're in trouble.
00:32:52.53\00:32:55.90
This was my idea so when we had
our break earlier this year I
00:32:55.94\00:33:00.91
thought I would go back home
down in Georgia and just kind of
00:33:00.94\00:33:03.24
relax and put this prayer
retreat together. And you know
00:33:03.28\00:33:08.68
it wouldn't be any big deal. I'd
study and I'd pray and then I'd
00:33:08.72\00:33:11.05
be ready to do the prayer
retreat but God kind of had
00:33:11.09\00:33:13.12
something else different in mind
because the prayer retreat we'd
00:33:13.15\00:33:16.76
call is Turning Hearts Toward
Home and it is specifically for
00:33:16.79\00:33:19.39
parents who have adult children
that are not walking with the
00:33:19.43\00:33:22.53
Lord. Because I have a real
burden for that because we have
00:33:22.56\00:33:25.63
children who are not walking
with the Lord. And I know a lot
00:33:25.67\00:33:28.97
of people, it used to be when
Al and I started in ministry 22
00:33:29.00\00:33:31.87
years ago you could ask in
the church who had kids who were
00:33:31.91\00:33:34.44
outside and you'd get a few
hands raised. Now it's just you
00:33:34.48\00:33:37.25
know everyone. So we thought
that would be a great thing but
00:33:37.28\00:33:41.32
instead, God asked us to go
and help one of our sons and
00:33:41.35\00:33:46.62
daughters-in-law who no longer
had after-school care and if we
00:33:46.65\00:33:50.06
would come and take care of
the girls. So I have not been
00:33:50.09\00:33:55.66
quietly retreating and...I've
been doing lots of praying but I
00:33:55.70\00:34:00.00
have not been quietly retreating
I have been back cleaning house
00:34:00.04\00:34:03.47
and getting little girls out the
door to school in the morning
00:34:03.51\00:34:06.74
and it is...I have to say
it's probably one of the most
00:34:06.78\00:34:10.28
humbling experiences of my life
because when you have a five
00:34:10.31\00:34:13.01
year old who's having a melt
down in the middle of the store
00:34:13.05\00:34:15.75
because you won't buy her the
junk food that she asks to buy
00:34:15.78\00:34:18.92
or the...it's just...I can't
tell you what a challenge it's
00:34:18.95\00:34:23.66
been for me. Sometimes I would
go home and I'd say to Al I have
00:34:23.69\00:34:28.06
people who ask my advice. I have
people who call and ask me for
00:34:28.10\00:34:29.83
help and have these two kids
who think I'm just being a mean
00:34:29.86\00:34:32.60
grandma because I won't...and Al
looked at me and he said do they
00:34:32.63\00:34:38.07
know what you do? And I said,
No, and I don't think they care,
00:34:38.11\00:34:39.64
to be honest. But you know we've
prayed for years that God would
00:34:39.67\00:34:45.41
send somebody into our kids life
to demonstrate God's love to
00:34:45.45\00:34:48.28
them. We just didn't expect for
it to be us. You know, so we've
00:34:48.32\00:34:52.52
been there. So God is developing
this humility in me before we
00:34:52.55\00:34:58.13
put this prayer retreat together
on how do you really pray. And I
00:34:58.16\00:35:01.16
know one thing when we first
got there He started waking me
00:35:01.20\00:35:03.63
up somewhere between two and
five a.m. And I would go out on
00:35:03.67\00:35:07.34
the porch and I would pray and
sometimes for an hour, an hour
00:35:07.37\00:35:10.67
and a half and then I would come
back. And then there was...and
00:35:10.71\00:35:15.28
things just started to
decompress and to calm down
00:35:15.31\00:35:18.45
and especially in the mornings
when it was absolute chaos. Then
00:35:18.48\00:35:23.22
I got where God really. I have
to wake up. Can I just sleep for
00:35:23.25\00:35:28.09
a little bit more. But what I
found out was if I didn't get up
00:35:28.12\00:35:30.13
in the middle of the night and
pray then it would be chaos. It
00:35:30.16\00:35:33.19
wasn't...I couldn't wake up two
minutes before breakfast and say
00:35:33.23\00:35:37.30
a quick prayer and have the same
effect as when I was willing to
00:35:37.33\00:35:40.00
get up in the middle of the
night. So I'm excited about this
00:35:40.04\00:35:43.67
prayer retreat. We are going
to put together a couple of Zoom
00:35:43.71\00:35:47.98
calls so if you're interested
in that you can call the center
00:35:48.01\00:35:51.88
[(605) 255-4101] and find out
when those calls are going to be
00:35:51.91\00:35:53.25
But we're doing it specifically
so we're walking through Steps
00:35:53.28\00:35:57.62
to Christ in the Sanctuary,
so this prayer retreat is not
00:35:57.65\00:36:01.39
actually starting with praying
for our kids. It's starting with
00:36:01.42\00:36:03.43
seeking God and rending our own
hearts and finding out where we
00:36:03.46\00:36:08.83
might be holding onto things
or where we might need to seek
00:36:08.86\00:36:12.73
forgiveness, maybe from our kids
maybe from somebody else. You
00:36:12.77\00:36:15.64
know because when you move
through the sanctuary, you had
00:36:15.67\00:36:19.27
to have that cleansing in order
to be able to move and to stand
00:36:19.31\00:36:22.08
and I keep thinking of Moses and
how you know when he was headed
00:36:22.11\00:36:26.31
to Egypt, you know the Bible
tells us that the angel was
00:36:26.35\00:36:30.22
standing there with a sword
because he was missing one of
00:36:30.25\00:36:32.95
the commands. So how do we
establish that. How do we put
00:36:32.99\00:36:36.32
ourselves so that we can really
stand in the gap and pray for
00:36:36.36\00:36:40.33
our kids? So that's what
it's going to be about. The Zoom
00:36:40.36\00:36:43.67
calls are going to walk you
through it and then that group
00:36:43.70\00:36:46.20
will go off on their own. So
it's not going to be something
00:36:46.23\00:36:48.20
where hey I call the spirit
call I can join. It's going to
00:36:48.24\00:36:51.91
actually, start and walkthrough
a process and then that group
00:36:51.94\00:36:54.44
will go on and then we'll start
another group because it's a
00:36:54.48\00:36:57.71
very specific steps that we're
going through to be able to...
00:36:57.75\00:37:01.48
But I know there's a lot hurting
parents out there and they just
00:37:01.52\00:37:06.12
can't figure out why. We're
just lost. What did we do wrong?
00:37:06.15\00:37:09.76
Where is it? And...
00:37:09.79\00:37:12.26
Discover the solutions. (Yeah)
00:37:12.29\00:37:14.13
And when it comes time to press
together shoulder to shoulder
00:37:14.16\00:37:17.30
that so the shadow of Satan
cannot fall. And I believe that
00:37:17.33\00:37:21.20
as parents if we would press
together and pray and encourage
00:37:21.24\00:37:25.21
one another instead of becoming
discouraged and feeling like
00:37:25.24\00:37:28.08
it's just hopeless and you know
there's nothing we can do. There
00:37:28.11\00:37:34.28
is something we can do and maybe
God didn't call you to actually
00:37:34.32\00:37:37.05
be in the household with them
like He did us for the short
00:37:37.09\00:37:41.26
period of time but I know that
being there and seeing what's
00:37:41.29\00:37:45.66
actually happening and Melody's
done the same thing. And you
00:37:45.69\00:37:48.86
just kind of want to go yow this
is what's happening. I had no
00:37:48.90\00:37:52.63
idea.
00:37:52.67\00:37:54.37
Yeah, as you were talking there
I was thinking about there's a
00:37:54.40\00:37:56.14
prophecy in Isaiah 11, the first
half of Isaiah 11, is about
00:37:56.17\00:38:01.48
Christ, specifically His first
incarnation here, you know when
00:38:01.51\00:38:04.51
He came to this earth. The
second half is about what He's
00:38:04.55\00:38:07.22
going to do through His people
in the last days and it talks
00:38:07.25\00:38:11.12
specifically about God
collecting all of His people
00:38:11.15\00:38:14.39
from all the four corners,
all those people who've been
00:38:14.42\00:38:17.39
dispersed, all the remnant of
His people, all those people who
00:38:17.43\00:38:19.89
are the outcasts of Israel that
are going to be brought back. I
00:38:19.93\00:38:24.30
used to feel like that's a
powerful promise that we can
00:38:24.33\00:38:25.67
claim for this specific ministry
you're focusing on because we're
00:38:25.70\00:38:29.50
empty nesters this year for
the first time. You know letting
00:38:29.54\00:38:31.91
your children go out of the home
that's hard. Then they start
00:38:31.94\00:38:35.51
making their own decisions,
going their own directions. You
00:38:35.54\00:38:37.85
know our kids you know they
believe in God and we really
00:38:37.88\00:38:42.85
appreciate their walk with
the Lord. But you know we always
00:38:42.88\00:38:45.99
have a burden for our children
that you know it would be
00:38:46.02\00:38:48.39
stronger and better and you know
more. And I love this fact that
00:38:48.42\00:38:53.63
you're doing this ministry,
that this is something that will
00:38:53.66\00:38:56.93
really attract a lot of people.
And I think we would like to
00:38:56.97\00:38:59.13
be part of that.
00:38:59.17\00:39:00.50
Is this the Zoom or is
this something the people have
00:39:00.54\00:39:02.54
come... (Both) So we're going to
do a retreat at Black Hills when
00:39:02.57\00:39:04.67
we put it all together but I
want to start having a couple of
00:39:04.71\00:39:07.91
different Zoom calls that people
can join for their time right
00:39:07.94\00:39:11.41
now and we can walk through the
process. My hope is that once
00:39:11.45\00:39:14.38
you've gone through it with
us for eight to 10 weeks on a
00:39:14.42\00:39:18.75
weekly basis then when we have
the retreat some of those people
00:39:18.79\00:39:21.86
will want to come as prayer
leaders in different rooms to be
00:39:21.89\00:39:25.33
able to say I've been doing this
I've been getting these kind of
00:39:25.36\00:39:30.43
results, this is how the
Holy Spirit is working. And just
00:39:30.47\00:39:32.03
encourage people who come to
the retreat that sometimes it's
00:39:32.07\00:39:37.97
difficult for a variety of
reasons, right? But you can
00:39:38.01\00:39:42.01
start to see results. I don't
want to take all the time. I
00:39:42.04\00:39:44.75
just want to share this tiny
little story that I'm fussing
00:39:44.78\00:39:48.35
and carrying on, why am I
cleaning the house. Why is my
00:39:48.38\00:39:50.72
daughter-in-law dressing up and
going to work. It's her house.
00:39:50.75\00:39:53.05
I'm a career woman too.
Why am I doing all this, right?
00:39:53.09\00:39:55.39
Yeah, why am I
taking care of the chickens?
00:39:55.42\00:40:00.13
That's a different story. Anyway
so we'd been there about three
00:40:00.16\00:40:06.23
or four weeks and I was starting
to get things back and we had to
00:40:06.27\00:40:08.87
go back to our house which
is three hours away on a weekend
00:40:08.90\00:40:11.97
and our son had come home early
to watch the girls and when we
00:40:12.01\00:40:16.38
were home and I had the house
clean, and I told the girls, you
00:40:16.41\00:40:19.11
guys are going to help me
because Mom and Dad are going to
00:40:19.15\00:40:21.12
have a better weekend, they're
going to spend more time with
00:40:21.15\00:40:23.25
you if you help me clean this
house. I didn't ask them to do
00:40:23.28\00:40:26.39
much by anyway, they're five
and 11, so. And then we left and
00:40:26.42\00:40:34.43
later that evening I got a text
from my son that said: Miss you
00:40:34.46\00:40:37.77
guys already. We're out of
energy bites and oh by the way
00:40:37.80\00:40:42.10
it was so wonderful to come home
on Friday and have the house
00:40:42.14\00:40:48.54
clean for Sabbath. My son hasn't
gone to church on a Sabbath
00:40:48.58\00:40:53.05
church in years. I didn't even
know he still cared. And that
00:40:53.08\00:40:56.72
was like signpost that God gave
me, things are happening, the
00:40:56.75\00:41:02.02
Holy Spirit is working. And I
was like, Okay God I'll go back
00:41:02.06\00:41:05.39
and clean the house again.
00:41:05.43\00:41:07.50
If we'd be willing to love
people the way that they can
00:41:07.53\00:41:09.60
understand and that they need to
be loved at that time in their
00:41:09.63\00:41:12.10
life. So important you were
willing to be able to love them
00:41:12.13\00:41:14.84
like that.
00:41:14.87\00:41:16.81
So that's what I feel we're
doing. We're not there to change
00:41:16.84\00:41:19.41
them. We've just there to love
them and to be God's hands and
00:41:19.44\00:41:23.24
feet for them right now in their
life in whatever way that they
00:41:23.28\00:41:26.31
need.
00:41:26.35\00:41:27.68
Tell us how do you do that
in your school. In the beginning
00:41:27.72\00:41:29.52
of this hour you started talking
about your massage school.
00:41:29.55\00:41:31.45
I hate to switch gears but I
know time's ticking and I want
00:41:31.49\00:41:34.26
to hear more about it.
00:41:34.29\00:41:35.62
Well, where do we start? We
started it like I said in 2015
00:41:35.66\00:41:41.20
when we went to Black Hills
to teach for two months and now
00:41:41.23\00:41:45.63
it's been seven years. Anyway
that's long story short. But the
00:41:45.67\00:41:50.87
massage school we feel like it's
a unique program. Not only do we
00:41:50.91\00:41:54.91
teach massage but we
teach other aspects of lifestyle
00:41:54.94\00:42:00.18
approaches. Bren
00:42:00.22\00:42:02.62
teaches a class of nutrition,
psychology spiritually focused.
00:42:02.65\00:42:07.92
What other sections do you
do? Spiritual, we do one called
00:42:07.96\00:42:13.80
spiritual care which within
massage licensing they have
00:42:13.83\00:42:18.33
something called personal care
so we just call it spiritual
00:42:18.37\00:42:20.84
care and the licensing board
accepts it. But 30 minutes a day
00:42:20.87\00:42:25.37
we talk about how do you study
your Bible. And we have a mix.
00:42:25.41\00:42:29.08
We do not just have students
from just one denomination, we
00:42:29.11\00:42:32.31
have who might not be Christians
at all or they belong to other
00:42:32.35\00:42:36.25
denominations and so that's been
really exciting for us because
00:42:36.28\00:42:41.56
we feel the school exists to
teach people to use massage as a
00:42:41.59\00:42:45.26
mission outreach. And in
whatever way, whether it's their
00:42:45.29\00:42:48.76
own practice or if they're going
to work for a lifestyle center
00:42:48.80\00:42:51.53
or whatever they want to do but
they're using it for mission and
00:42:51.57\00:42:54.00
for service to others. And so
we really try to focus on that
00:42:54.04\00:42:58.84
aspect of it. We don't teach
any New Age modalities. It's all
00:42:58.87\00:43:01.98
science-based. It's all credible
kind of stuff and we've seen
00:43:02.01\00:43:08.08
some amazing stories
come out of students there.
00:43:08.12\00:43:11.89
So this is a school
where someone goes and they pay
00:43:11.92\00:43:14.32
tuition and they go through the
classes and they come out and
00:43:14.36\00:43:16.83
can go out into the
community and get a job.
00:43:16.86\00:43:18.63
Ah well there's a couple
of other steps in there but...
00:43:18.66\00:43:25.47
Our program is six and a half
months. Our first four months
00:43:25.50\00:43:28.87
basically are online and they
can stay at home. Classes are in
00:43:28.90\00:43:32.24
the late afternoon and evening.
They can work still, which is a
00:43:32.27\00:43:35.28
big issue. Previously students
had to come to campus for six
00:43:35.31\00:43:41.28
and a half months. And some said
I can't do that. I can't give up
00:43:41.32\00:43:45.42
my job. And we were getting
smaller numbers of students. And
00:43:45.45\00:43:49.62
we did some praying about it.
The last two classes basically
00:43:49.66\00:43:53.46
are full. (When you say full?)
11, 12. Yeah and this is the
00:43:53.50\00:44:00.04
first time since we've been
there that all of the students
00:44:00.07\00:44:03.07
in the last two classes were
Adventists. Now you say well
00:44:03.10\00:44:06.57
what's that? You know what,
that's what our ministry is
00:44:06.61\00:44:10.75
toward...How do we teach young
people that can be therapists
00:44:10.78\00:44:13.62
that can be ministers for the
Lord. And some of them are just
00:44:13.65\00:44:17.59
doing amazing things. They're
also earning good incomes to go
00:44:17.62\00:44:22.19
along with it. And like
Mark said our program is cheap
00:44:22.22\00:44:26.66
compared to what most schools
charge. I mean they come to
00:44:26.70\00:44:29.86
Black. They're there for two and
a half months, food, everything,
00:44:29.90\00:44:35.77
housing. And so we're the only
as I said before we're the only
00:44:35.80\00:44:39.07
Adventist school and probably
the only Christian school in the
00:44:39.11\00:44:42.34
United States.
00:44:42.38\00:44:43.71
All right I hate to say this but
our time is running short. Is
00:44:43.75\00:44:50.02
there something else that you
have a burden on your heart to
00:44:50.05\00:44:51.39
share that you want to get
out here to the people that are
00:44:51.42\00:44:52.75
listening.
00:44:52.79\00:44:54.12
Yeah, probably the biggest
thing to point out is how we're
00:44:54.16\00:44:56.02
reaching people where they're
at regardless if they're on a
00:44:56.06\00:45:03.20
health journey or if they're
having spiritual issues or
00:45:03.23\00:45:06.84
family issues, it's all about
reaching people where they're at
00:45:06.87\00:45:08.87
And what we have over there
is a program called Biblical
00:45:08.90\00:45:13.61
Response Therapy. (Okay BRT) Now
Biblical Response Therapy was
00:45:13.64\00:45:18.01
actually started by Pastor Dan
Gabbard and it's just starting
00:45:18.05\00:45:23.92
to really grow into something.
And basically, it's about
00:45:23.95\00:45:28.76
helping people with Biblical
principles on how to deal with
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their issues and it's not
always, let me see it's not
always the issues. Here
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let me read this to you
here. Counsels on Health, p. 324
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Sickness of the mind prevails
everywhere. Nine-tenths of the
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disease from which men suffer
have their foundation here. The
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healing then is in the word
of God where God expresses His
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healing thoughts. Psalms 107:20
God sent His word and healed
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them and delivered them from
their destruction. So we try to
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apply that to every
single element of what we do and
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Biblical Response Therapy
actually trains people how to do
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this, how to deal with whatever
problems they have in life.
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Let's look at the Biblical
aspect of it and focus on the
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solutions instead of focusing on
the problem let's do a solution
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focused program. And
it's fabulous and so we've got
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programs coming up where
you can send people from your
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congregation over the
learn Biblical Response Therapy
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programs and bring
it back to your church.
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There's so much you
are doing at Black Hills...
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And we're still thinking more.
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Yeah. There's a lot of people
that come through a health
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program okay and they change
their diet and they change their
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lifestyle but they don't get
to the core of the problem it's
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just going to come back the them
So we need to be able to go in
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there and...Jim, Jim Martin
who's heading up that department
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right now? He is so wonderful
at just compassionately finding
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out what those problems are and
bringing those solutions to them
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And once they realize it, it's
like a light bulb going off in
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their head. It's like some
people just didn't even realize
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it. And one lady she had
such issues and she was having
00:47:18.13\00:47:22.67
trouble getting off diabetes
problems and it wasn't about the
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diabetes; it was about other
issues in her life that was
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jacking up her cortisol level so
hard. I don't know the technical
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part of it. But once she
realized, she had that breath of
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fresh air and just everything
calmed down and then her health
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started working right.
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People have high blood sugar for
many reasons, not just carbs.
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Exactly, exactly.
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So I love that. I love the fact
that they're getting therapy but
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it's biblically based
(absolutely) and I love that
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statement that you read that God
sent his word and healed them
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because that's how I was healed
you know from my addiction. I
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was healed because God said to
me personally I forgive you and
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you don't have to carry this
load of guilt. You're free from
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that.
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You know I just want to
add something. We do have a few
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people there who have some
because they have addictions
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whether it be drug, whether
it be alcoholism. They've come
00:48:14.62\00:48:18.19
there and they feel safe, they
feel secure. And it's like a
00:48:18.23\00:48:23.13
child doesn't want to leave the
nest. They want to stay there a
00:48:23.16\00:48:24.50
little bit so they work and they
do things on the property that
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we need people to do because
they just want to stay there.
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And I'll never forget, I got
a text the other day from one of
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them. My husband and I have
really been talking with him,
00:48:33.11\00:48:35.94
pruning him and he's just such
a sweet guy. And he said, Melody
00:48:35.98\00:48:39.58
I went to church for the first
time this Sabbath. And he said I
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really loved it. And on down he
said with a bit smiley face, God
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loves me.
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Amen, amen.
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We've had a few drug addictions
we've been doing detoxing and
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rehab on them and there was
a couple of them that you know
00:48:56.13\00:49:01.10
went through their little
three week program and I just
00:49:01.14\00:49:02.60
flat out said
00:49:02.64\00:49:03.97
you're not ready to go home yet
I said we're going to cover the
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expense but you need to stay
here a little while longer and
00:49:08.34\00:49:10.01
they were willing to volunteer
and things and the one person
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has lost like 30 pounds already
And you know another person's
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going to church and just loving
it. It was like...You know so it
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...I had something really
profound told to me here just
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the other day by Bob, one of the
gentlemen that works here and he
00:49:26.13\00:49:30.67
said, A lot of Adventists
are more than willing to go
00:49:30.70\00:49:32.60
out there and
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fish, but they're not willing to
clean the fish (Catch a fish but
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not clean it) Right. And so
where are we in life? Are we
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just going to go out there and
just keep fishing, just throwing
00:49:42.38\00:49:44.05
those reels out there but not
willing to help clean them, you
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know. The people have problems.
We need to do more to help them
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and guide them along
their way one step at a time.
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Got a sermon title from that.
It's called Catch and Release.
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And it seems like when we catch
people and we don't nurture them
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we're just catching and
releasing. People need their
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lifestyle changed. (Exactly) Yes
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You know one of the things too
that we're trying to do, it's
00:50:05.97\00:50:09.00
not just the massage school
thing. We go out and do on sight
00:50:09.04\00:50:14.68
chair massage all over Rapid
City and one of the things that
00:50:14.71\00:50:18.08
we've had a burden for is we're
25 minutes away from a booming
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city and we haven't really
figured out how to reach them.
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And so this is what we're
starting to do now. We go to the
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YMCA to the swim center to
various businesses and they've
00:50:31.29\00:50:35.46
said please come on up,
please come and join us. Hope...
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Yeah, into the
communities exactly.
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Yeah one of the schools
contacted Jim about coming and
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talking about the Biblical
Response Theory to the children
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at school, to a public school.
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Praise the Lord. So any other
thoughts you have we've got 56
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seconds left.
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If someone comes to Black Hills
they get to eat your food or are
00:50:54.92\00:50:57.85
you are so busy
being an organizer...
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He's the
breakfast, I'm the lunch.
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We always remember that we ate
there...(Laughter and voices)
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it was really good.
00:51:08.46\00:51:10.33
Everyone knows we're going
to have the best food you could
00:51:10.37\00:51:11.87
possibly get.
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Oh yes if it's mine.
(Laughter and multiple voices)
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I'm excited about what you guys
are doing. I think you created
00:51:23.21\00:51:28.05
exactly what you wanted to do.
You've fulfilled your objectives
00:51:28.08\00:51:31.02
in creating something unique and
focused. I love that the school
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is combined with it
too. I would love to come.
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It's a wonderful place. When you
come we don't have to tell you
00:51:37.26\00:51:41.46
about it. When you come you will
experience it, you will not want
00:51:41.50\00:51:44.47
to leave, you will
see it for yourself.
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Amen, amen. We are going to
be right back so don't go away.
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If you would like to contact
or know more about Black Hills
00:51:49.77\00:51:54.44
Health and Education Center you
can do so in the following ways:
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You can write to them at
P.O. Box 19 Hermosa, SD 57744
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You can give them a
call at (605) 255-4101
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You can send them an
email at President@BHHEC.org
00:52:13.66\00:52:24.41
You can also visit their website
at BlackHillsHealthRetreat.org
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