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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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¤ I want to spend
my life removing pain ¤
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¤ Lord let my words
heal a heart that hurts ¤
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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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Hello friends, welcome to 3ABN
Today. My name is John Lomacang
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and you know I cannot top who
I have sitting next to me, my
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Lovely wife Angela.
Good to have you here.
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I am always happy to be here and
I'm glad that you have tuned in
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today and you're going to be
blessed by this program. It's a
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great couple and they have
a lot to share with us today.
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It's about evangelism and
because I'm director of world
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evangelism for 3ABN it has taken
on a more particular special
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meaning to me because evangelism
the single word may mean
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something different to a lot of
different people but today we're
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going to talk about the expanded
view. What is evangelism and
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what kind of evangelism is
relevant and necessary for the
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challenges of the days in which
we live. But before we introduce
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our guests we'll go to our music
We want to just thank you for
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your prayers and financial
support of this network as we
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continue going and growing
getting ready for the coming of
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the Lord. Honey who do
we have for music today?
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Oh we have Pastor Wintley Phipps
is going to share a wonderful
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song entitled Coming Again.
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¤ Why stand ye gazing
there up into the sky ¤
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¤ Be not discouraged for
we have brought good news ¤
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¤ This same Jesus
whom we do magnify ¤
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¤ Soon He will come
again for all to glorify ¤
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¤ He is coming
again He is coming again ¤
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¤ Son of the Father
He is coming again ¤
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¤ On Calvary He
claimed my destiny ¤
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¤ Lord I humble myself to Thee ¤
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¤ Lord I want to see your
face just help me be strong ¤
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¤ I know you will return
I know it won't be long ¤
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¤ He is coming
again He is coming again ¤
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¤ Son of the Father
He is coming again ¤
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¤ On Calvary He
claimed my destiny ¤
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¤ Lord I humble myself to Thee ¤
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¤ Lift up the trumpet
and Loud let it ring ¤
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¤ Jesus is coming again ¤
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¤ Cheer up ye
pilgrims be joyful and sing ¤
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¤ Jesus is coming again ¤
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¤ Coming again, coming
again Jesus is coming again ¤
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¤ Coming again, Coming
again Jesus is coming again ¤
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Thank you so much, Pastor
Wintley Phipps. You know every
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time I see Wintley Pastor Phipps
singing he's singing for a
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president which he sang for
so many of our presidents or
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dignitaries or at a funeral or
at inauguration. God has really
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gifted Pastor Wintley Phipps
to be able to be in circles that
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many of us will never get into
and he's lifting up Jesus with
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that wonderful song Jesus is
coming again. What a wonderful
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song.
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Beautiful.
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Let's introduce our guests.
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Oh this is the best part right
here. Stephen and Felecia Lee,
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welcome.
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Thank you. Thank you for
having us. Excited to be here.
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Now Felecia
you've been here before.
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Yeah so it feels
like coming home.
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There you go, there you go.
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Always feels comfortable
here with you guys. (Yeah)
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Is this your first time here?
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It is my first time.
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Yeah so Felecia has
to show you the ropes...
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I feel like I'm
bringing him home to my parents
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Yeah, there you go I like that.
And you are well been married
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a couple years now.
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Two years. (Two years)
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That's wonderful.
How's married life?
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Amazing. Beautiful. There's so
much to learn. It's one of the
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best experiences that you
could have to learn about that
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relationship that God has with
the church. It's not always easy
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and you know but we're
doing great but a lot to learn.
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That's right. And the other
thing we're excited about is you
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both are on the cutting edge
and since our topic is about
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evangelism what I'd like to
begin with and by the way just
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briefly for our viewing audience
and listening audience give us a
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little bit about your background
Let's start with ladies first.
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Give us kind of the
concoction of your nationality.
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You have an accent.
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Sure yeah so I am from the
islands like Angie so I relate
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to you on that level. But I'm
originally from the Bahamas. I
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studied in Jamaica. My parents
are originally from Haiti and
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now I live in the U.S. and I'm
married to a South Korean. Like
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all of the United Nations all
in one. But my background is I
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studied elementary education.
Then I got involved in radio and
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television. Then I got into
online evangelism through the
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Center for Online Evangelism and
through that work that's how I
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got to meet Stephen. That's how
we met, me working for Center of
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Online Evangelism and I met him
so that's a little bit about my
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background.
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He was your first convert or you
were his first convert? I don't
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know which way it went. That's a
good way. Stephen what about you
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Tell us about yourself.
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Like she said I am South Korean
born and I was raised in south
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California area so that's where
I grew up. Coming from a non
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Adventist background so my
parents weren't Christians or
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nominal Christians and
eventually I learned about the
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Adventist truth in my high
school. So I have some stories
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to tell about that
later on. (Okay) Yeah.
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Well let's start with the
basics since we're talking about
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evangelism. Just give us a
snippet what's the difference
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between evangelism and what you
are involved in and let's talk
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about that. Either
one of you just begin.
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Yeah, the best way that I could
describe evangelism: Imagine if
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you go to the store and you
found out there's a huge sale
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and this is a shadow of an
example, but there's a huge sale
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and you know that you can
benefit a lot. You cannot help
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but tell people. Hey this is
where you can find everything
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that you need, like groceries
are 99 percent off and clothes
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and shoes and your tuition paid.
Well we have a good news in the
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gospel. Jesus Christ died for us
so that we could be reconciled
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with the Father and when you
experience that you cannot help
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but tell people everywhere using
whatever means possible. So
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that's the edge of evangelism
sharing that good news and we
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are commanded by Christ, in a
good way, to tell others and to
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make disciples. So
that's the basis of evangelism.
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And what about you Stephen?
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I think she did a wonderful job
I don't know if I could top that
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For me if it wasn't for
evangelism I wouldn't be here.
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For some point. So it really
has more of a heart wrenching I
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think the principle and someone
actually evangelizing to someone
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else, sharing the good news,
has impacted my life personally
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and brought me out of depression
and suicidal things. You know I
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am here because of it so it's
very personal and I think we
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have to have every way
possible to share that.
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Now many people are not doing
online evangelism, many churches
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I should say. Why is it a
problem if we are not doing
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online evangelism.
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You know I have some numbers
here and it might seem a little
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striking but I feel like
it's so important to sort of get
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why online evangelism is so
important. So every month there
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are 49,500 searches for Sabbath.
So somebody's going online every
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single month someone is typing
in: What happens when you die?
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Well not someone 74,000 searches
for What happens when you die?
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There are 550,000 related
to anxiety and 324,000 searches
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related to Bible prophecy.
They might not be coming to your
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church door or knocking but
asking about Bible prophecy.
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but that does not mean that
people are not searching. People
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are searching online. So why
would we not want to be where
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people are searching. We would
be doing a great disservice to
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the gospel, to the spread of
evangelism if we're not making
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that emphasis to have a presence
where people are. So that's one
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of the reasons why, like
the foundational reasons why
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Center for Online Evangelism and
its founders are so passionate
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about equipping churches
and equipping individuals and
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ministries to get online and to
optimize or make their presence
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be better seen online.
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So many people are
online today aren't they?
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That's true, I mean...
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it's the way of
the world it seems huh?
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It's called social media,
the YouTube universe, Twitter,
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Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
People are online and there are
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hardly any people today that
don't own a phone. So that's a
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really amazing statistics.
So what I hear you saying is, if
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they're going to search we need
to be where they're searching.
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(Yeah exactly) That
really makes a difference, Wow.
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There's a story, most of us
might be familiar with it in
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John chapter 4. It's the story
of the woman at the well. (Oh
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yes) Why didn't Jesus stay
in Jerusalem and have the woman
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come find Him in Jerusalem? When
we're not online it's like we're
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staying in Jerusalem expecting
the Samaritan's to come find us.
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(Good point) Jesus didn't do
that. He took His disciples who
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were very uncomfortable. Ah we
can't go through Samaria. Like
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they were uncomfortable but
Jesus was like that's the only
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way that He's going to get
through to her. So He took that
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trip and His disciples and met
her at the well where she was.
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That's what online evangelism is
We're not staying in Jerusalem
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We're going to the well
because that's where people are.
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Wow, preacher! (Multiple voices)
That was beautiful. I love what
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you said. Go to the well. That's
a sermon title which you be
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working on.
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I can see you brain already.
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It's going to work at the well.
All right. That's really really
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good. But now talk about...You
hinted to something about
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evangelism was the reason why
your life was saved. Now would
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you like to share that after or
would you like us to show Tina's
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story first.
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I think we should start with
the good news first. Let's start
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with Tina's story because I
think it's an amazing testimony.
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Yeah. What you're about to hear
is...if you're listening or if
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you're watching what you're
about to see is a...one of the
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beautiful stories about online
evangelism can turn a life
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around. Right after this
you'll hear Stephen's story.
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I drank every night to the point
where I didn't really care if I
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lived or not. It was just when's
my next drink. I'll go to work
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and be sober but then when's my
next drink. It just got to the
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point where I just want to get
a divorce or I just want to die.
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I just don't want
to be here anymore.
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Most of my life I didn't realize
it I think God really had a plan
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for me all along. Before I was
born, my mom was 15 when she got
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pregnant and she had me and had
to go into a home for moms and
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she almost gave me up but my
grandma decided you know I want
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to keep her and I'll help you
raise her and so she raised me
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Throughout my teenage years life
was a little rough. My dad was
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an alcoholic. Then I eventually
got saved and baptized in the
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Baptist church. But then I
met my husband-to-be and we got
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married. He was from a family
that liked to party a lot and so
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I just got sucked into that
and that's what we did. We would
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party all the time. I became
a bad alcoholic and my kids
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suffered as a result of it. But
then I just got tired of it. I
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was on the verge of divorce so
many times but then something,
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probably my mom's prayers, just
kept me going. And I started
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doing some searching online,
reading the Bible and googling
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some different questions I
had about the Bible. And I found
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that there was people that
worship on Saturday and I'd
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never heard of that before.
I checked it out and there were
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two churches in the area that
worshipped on Sabbath. They were
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called Seventh-day Adventist so
I went to the one church and it
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was actually in Edenville,
Michigan. So then I started
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doing more research. I did find
a lot of negative things about
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Seventh-day Adventists on there
saying they worship Ellen White
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they're a cult and just some
weird stuff and I thought you
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know I just don't know if I
believe all that. So I did some
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more researching and the people
that I met they just didn't seem
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like that. They didn't do
those things that I saw on the
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internet. And I decided I want
to get baptized. I believe this
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is where God's leading me. This
is what I want to do. I wouldn't
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be here if I wouldn't have
looked up and listened to the
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podcasts and did my research and
not believed some of the stuff
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that was out there. I found out
for myself whether it was true
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or not. I highly encourage
no matter how old you are to get
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involved. My mom, she's almost
70 and she gets on Facebook and
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she posts verses and encouraging
words and people see that. It
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helps. It does help. I encourage
you as a church member or even a
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leader to get your church online
get them the materials they need
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You don't have to know how to
get online and how to do these
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things. Center for Online has
a ton of stuff that you can look
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at and you can get members of
your church that knows how to do
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these things already. Get the
young people involved. Get the
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older people involved. They may
not want to get online and do
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things but they'll help support
either financially or they'll
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pray for your ministry and if
the churches don't get involved
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digitally we are missing
millions of people and people
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that are going to be lost,
my children, your children, your
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grandchildren, they're all
online If you don't get involved
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online you're
missing all these people.
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Wow, what a powerful story. (Yes
it was) What I love about is
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that it took away the mist
and brought into focus the truth
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I like how Tina said there were
a lot of negative things about
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Seventh-day Adventist online
and I know we've run into that
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ourselves but instead of trying
to find out from other people
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what we believe how did you
change that? By giving the true
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story. Wow, wow.
00:19:49.45\00:19:51.35
She went to church. She found
the church, she ignored that and
00:19:51.39\00:19:54.76
she went to
church, found a church.
00:19:54.79\00:19:57.46
And not so much ignoring it but
she said I'm not going to be my
00:19:57.49\00:20:03.40
last understanding of
what people are saying about
00:20:03.43\00:20:05.93
Adventists. I want to find out
for myself. (You're right) And
00:20:05.97\00:20:08.90
found out that was
a misrepresentation.
00:20:08.94\00:20:10.41
Praise God for that.
00:20:10.44\00:20:12.47
It is very good and what's
remarkable about Tina's story
00:20:12.51\00:20:13.84
is that she
actually works with us now.
00:20:15.94\00:20:17.28
She does?!
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Not only was she able to find
the truth through online but
00:20:18.68\00:20:23.15
now she is one of the ones in
the forefront to work with us.
00:20:23.18\00:20:28.16
Her story is just amazing what
God is able to do through her.
00:20:28.19\00:20:33.16
Now on the other side like
you were saying some people or
00:20:33.19\00:20:37.37
actually, most people are
very discouraged by what is said
00:20:37.40\00:20:40.04
online about Adventists. Sadly
that is my story, more so my
00:20:40.07\00:20:45.94
dad. When I came to know about
the Adventist truth it was the
00:20:45.97\00:20:49.44
Sabbath that really converted me
and there's a whole long story
00:20:49.48\00:20:52.31
about that.
00:20:52.35\00:20:53.68
Were you a Christian before?
00:20:53.72\00:20:55.05
I was kind of a Christian. I
went to church because of sadly
00:20:55.08\00:20:59.55
ladies and basketball. That's
really what I cared about.
00:20:59.59\00:21:03.02
back in the day. So I just went
because my parents went, people
00:21:03.06\00:21:07.76
went but for me I came to a
point where I was very depressed
00:21:07.80\00:21:12.60
and I didn't want to live but
I then found the Adventist truth
00:21:12.63\00:21:15.14
eventually. But the sad part
about this is when I learned
00:21:15.17\00:21:20.81
about the Seventh-day Adventist
truth my parents had no idea
00:21:20.84\00:21:25.18
what we were. And so what
did they do. They went to Pastor
00:21:25.21\00:21:30.32
Google because everyone is
going to Google for answers even
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spiritual answers. So when
they searched about Seventh-day
00:21:35.62\00:21:39.79
Adventists in Google the Google
said they're a cult. The Google
00:21:39.83\00:21:45.67
said they believe in all these
false ideas and they are brain
00:21:45.70\00:21:50.74
washing people. Especially from
a Korean background if you're a
00:21:50.77\00:21:55.44
cult you're thinking about
baby sacrifices and arranged
00:21:55.48\00:21:59.48
marriages and the whole nine
yards. So when they saw that
00:21:59.51\00:22:04.32
online they came to me like
Stephen no matter what you do
00:22:04.35\00:22:08.79
you're not going to believe in
this. But for me, that was where
00:22:08.82\00:22:14.86
I found hope. And so I had this
conflict. Long story short I
00:22:14.90\00:22:23.87
basically went straight fulltime
ministry and started working for
00:22:23.91\00:22:28.74
the Lord because I believed that
was my calling. And literally
00:22:28.78\00:22:33.18
because of that information that
my parents found online, not
00:22:33.21\00:22:36.99
from anyone else, from Pastor
Google for 10 years they have
00:22:37.02\00:22:42.82
been distrusting of Adventists.
Now my mom is coming around but
00:22:42.86\00:22:48.76
my dad, my stepdad actually, he
completely left the church. He
00:22:48.80\00:22:53.54
doesn't believe in Christ
anymore and it all started
00:22:53.57\00:22:57.44
because they got the wrong
information. He's gotten the
00:22:57.47\00:23:00.08
wrong information
from Google search.
00:23:00.11\00:23:04.51
So you eventually joined
an Adventist church and got
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baptized.
00:23:07.72\00:23:09.05
That's right amen.
00:23:09.08\00:23:10.42
In Southern California?
00:23:10.45\00:23:11.79
No that was actually...I
traveled a bit. I was baptized
00:23:11.82\00:23:16.79
in New Hampshire. That's where
we're at now. But I learned
00:23:16.83\00:23:20.10
about the truth in California.
00:23:20.13\00:23:24.07
Wow, wow, so we got some, I
mean once again I've never heard
00:23:24.10\00:23:29.24
about Pastor
Google but... (laughter)
00:23:29.27\00:23:33.21
Now whose church do you go
to? Pastor Google's church?
00:23:33.24\00:23:36.61
And believe
everything Google says.
00:23:36.64\00:23:38.61
As strange as that my sound
people take online postings as
00:23:38.65\00:23:44.12
valid. It seems to be somebody
says I saw it online. It must be
00:23:44.15\00:23:47.99
true. Friends of that's the
position you have be very, very
00:23:48.02\00:23:51.66
careful. Because it's
online doesn't mean it's true.
00:23:51.69\00:23:54.86
Check it out, follow the bread
crumbs. So now tell us about
00:23:54.90\00:24:01.27
online evangelism as it connects
to what you do. I'll go back to
00:24:01.30\00:24:05.07
you Felecia.
00:24:05.11\00:24:07.28
Yeah, so the Center for Online
Evangelism just a little bit of
00:24:07.31\00:24:10.91
a background. Ed Wagner who
is the founder of it, he would
00:24:10.95\00:24:14.42
travel and he would find you
know whenever he was in a new
00:24:14.45\00:24:18.59
city where do I find an
Adventist church. And it's when
00:24:18.62\00:24:21.56
he pulls up his phone and he
says Seventh-day Adventist all
00:24:21.59\00:24:23.93
this negative content is coming
up and he said well if I am
00:24:23.96\00:24:28.66
seeing this and I know better
as a Seventh-day Adventist what
00:24:28.70\00:24:32.33
is happening for people who
don't know and they're searching
00:24:32.37\00:24:35.10
and they're pulling up all this
negative information. And so
00:24:35.14\00:24:38.41
that was how the Center for
Online Evangelism was birthed
00:24:38.44\00:24:41.51
He saw this need. He saw this
problem actually and how many
00:24:41.54\00:24:47.42
people were turning away from
truth because of what Pastor
00:24:47.45\00:24:51.49
Google was saying. So with
the Center for Online Evangelism
00:24:51.52\00:24:54.32
the focus is and it's a word
that might go over our heads a
00:24:54.36\00:24:58.29
little bit: Search
Engine Optimization but it is
00:24:58.33\00:25:02.36
essentially finding ways to
optimize your website, make your
00:25:02.40\00:25:07.54
website more visible so that
when people search that it's
00:25:07.57\00:25:10.97
coming up on the first page
of Google because people rarely
00:25:11.01\00:25:14.21
when they search a question
or a topic, if it's not in those
00:25:14.24\00:25:19.88
first 10 results they're not
going to switch the second page.
00:25:19.91\00:25:23.52
So they're going to focus on
what's at the top of that list.
00:25:23.55\00:25:27.66
So the Center for Online
Evangelism is trying to get the
00:25:27.69\00:25:32.53
website of our churches,
of Adventist.org, all of our
00:25:32.56\00:25:36.50
ministries to be on that first
page because people are away
00:25:36.53\00:25:41.57
searching. They want to know
about God. They want to know why
00:25:41.60\00:25:43.81
there's suffering. They want to
know what is the Sabbath. What
00:25:43.84\00:25:46.57
is going to happen and so we are
targeting what we call the low
00:25:46.61\00:25:52.18
hanging fruit, people who are
already searching. So that is
00:25:52.21\00:25:55.25
the focus of the Center for
Online Evangelism. I don't know
00:25:55.28\00:26:00.12
if you want to add something.
00:26:00.16\00:26:01.49
Yeah with that there's a good
example that we could say like
00:26:01.52\00:26:05.06
it's hard to reach the Muslim
countries right? Because they
00:26:05.09\00:26:08.40
do not allow such religious
things to be seen or heard. Well
00:26:08.43\00:26:13.60
we are partnering with
our coordinator for Adventist/
00:26:13.64\00:26:19.54
Muslim relations in NAD and
so what we're trying to do is
00:26:19.57\00:26:24.58
something that we're doing
already where we have a website
00:26:24.61\00:26:26.82
that when people in those Muslim
countries search our content
00:26:26.85\00:26:33.09
will come up so now they can
find those answers where they
00:26:33.12\00:26:37.66
couldn't find it physically
around them. (I like that)
00:26:37.69\00:26:39.26
They, the Muslims, they favor
more the Adventists don't they?
00:26:39.29\00:26:43.97
Right and that helps because
there's so much, once again,
00:26:44.00\00:26:47.84
Pastor Google. You know a
lot of time people go online you
00:26:47.87\00:26:50.74
know...Matter of fact, I
recently saw online, this is a
00:26:50.77\00:26:53.81
very good time to say this, how
there are a lot of things online
00:26:53.84\00:26:58.45
are shifting. I think
that the pressures of religious
00:26:58.48\00:27:01.95
influences are even
taking things that we know are
00:27:01.98\00:27:05.09
historically true and changing
it is because other people said
00:27:05.12\00:27:07.36
that's not what we want to come
up online. Like I put what is
00:27:07.39\00:27:11.46
the seventh day of the week?
Well, we know that's a given.
00:27:11.49\00:27:14.43
The Saturday is. But now you go
online and you put that in, they
00:27:14.46\00:27:18.43
say Sunday because this push
to bring Sunday to the forefront
00:27:18.47\00:27:22.54
is leaking out of Europe where
they changed the calendar to
00:27:22.57\00:27:26.17
make Sunday the last day of the
week. And now it's influencing
00:27:26.21\00:27:29.54
America so you put that in there
now they say Sunday. But we know
00:27:29.58\00:27:33.31
that historically you know
period from creation to the
00:27:33.35\00:27:36.28
present Saturday is the last
day of the week. So we could say
00:27:36.32\00:27:39.59
if you just go to Google and ask
Google that's what you're going
00:27:39.62\00:27:42.66
get. You're going to get
conflicting views. But when you
00:27:42.69\00:27:45.53
go to the Encyclopedia and
the Britannica and official
00:27:45.56\00:27:49.66
authoritative sources you
get the truth. So we're saying
00:27:49.70\00:27:56.17
that's what online evangelism is
doing, taking you to the source
00:27:56.20\00:27:57.67
not just to this gigantic market
flea market of ideology. (Right)
00:27:57.71\00:28:02.58
So when you think about that
what can we do to enhance search
00:28:02.61\00:28:07.95
engine optimization. By the way
before you go to that I want to
00:28:07.98\00:28:11.12
bring up a slate of your website
because this is something that I
00:28:11.15\00:28:14.16
think is so significant
for people when they see this.
00:28:14.19\00:28:18.79
Millions are Asking (they are)
and there on the bottom left
00:28:18.83\00:28:22.60
CenterForOnlineEvangelism.org
and take note of that. We're
00:28:22.63\00:28:26.74
going to give that address again
but wonderful website. I thank
00:28:26.77\00:28:31.21
the Lord that the person who
brought this about, what was his
00:28:31.24\00:28:33.31
name again? (Ed Wagner) I mean
when you see this need, it's not
00:28:33.34\00:28:37.95
just helping your ministry but
it's putting us in the proper
00:28:37.98\00:28:40.68
light. So what can we do
to increase search engine
00:28:40.72\00:28:43.59
optimization?
00:28:43.62\00:28:44.95
That's a great question because
like you said even Google is
00:28:44.99\00:28:49.49
turning their algorithm; what
I mean by algorithm is why they
00:28:49.52\00:28:53.06
will put certain websites first,
certain answers first when
00:28:53.09\00:28:57.67
people search. That is actually
changing. They are trying to
00:28:57.70\00:29:02.10
implement more of the consensus
way of giving the results. Kind
00:29:02.14\00:29:06.98
of like you said if you ask
Google when is the seventh day,
00:29:07.01\00:29:12.45
they are saying Sunday. You know
why that is, is because most
00:29:12.48\00:29:15.92
people online are saying that
is true. So it's the consensus
00:29:15.95\00:29:21.12
based result which is not right.
Right because we have the truth,
00:29:21.16\00:29:25.99
we know what the Biblical truths
are. That should be what's true.
00:29:26.03\00:29:29.96
But now what they're doing
is going by what majority of the
00:29:30.00\00:29:33.94
people are saying which could be
a devastating thing. That's why
00:29:33.97\00:29:37.81
for us, the Center for Online
Evangelism, we really want to
00:29:37.84\00:29:40.34
encourage and help even other
ministries to have more of our
00:29:40.38\00:29:44.15
content, more of our truths, out
there so that every single page
00:29:44.18\00:29:48.35
that people find, say if they're
asking when is the seventh day,
00:29:48.38\00:29:52.55
we're all saying the same
thing and when they see that the
00:29:52.59\00:29:57.36
Google...Google is just
the machine, you know, picking
00:29:57.39\00:29:58.99
things up. So when they see that
it automatically goes toward our
00:29:59.03\00:30:02.43
favor so that when the majority
of the people are searching they
00:30:02.46\00:30:06.00
find the right answer. And
that's really, I think, one of
00:30:06.03\00:30:08.87
the best ways that we
want to encourage our Adventist
00:30:08.90\00:30:13.04
ministries and churches and even
members to put the right and the
00:30:13.07\00:30:17.21
truthful answers online.
00:30:17.25\00:30:19.01
You know I'm smiling because I
thought about that search engine
00:30:19.05\00:30:21.82
optimization. Now I am actually
blessed in this area, not that
00:30:21.85\00:30:24.62
my website is SEO-friendly,
working on that, but my name is
00:30:24.65\00:30:28.72
so unique that when you put John
Lomacang you're not going to get
00:30:28.76\00:30:31.33
another John Lomacang. Right.
So unique and that's what you're
00:30:31.36\00:30:36.50
talking about. Get the right
results. If you put Adventists
00:30:36.53\00:30:40.87
you're going to get the right
results. If you put seventh day
00:30:40.90\00:30:42.24
Sabbath you're going
to get the right results.
00:30:42.27\00:30:43.61
And also when people...say
you lost a loved one, you know,
00:30:43.64\00:30:48.31
people are devastated so they
put in what happens when you die
00:30:48.34\00:30:51.91
you know, they want to know.
How does that reach your website
00:30:51.95\00:30:57.95
or how does it come
up or help the website?
00:30:57.99\00:31:02.09
Help answer that question.
00:31:02.12\00:31:03.46
Exactly. We do search engine
optimization like you said and
00:31:03.49\00:31:08.23
the thing that you have to do
to make that happen is a lot of
00:31:08.26\00:31:12.53
work. We have a team of 30 now
all over the world. We all work
00:31:12.57\00:31:16.91
remotely and just to have one
page come up it takes sometimes
00:31:16.94\00:31:20.81
two years to get to that first
page because, depending on the
00:31:20.84\00:31:24.85
search term and phrase you have
to compete with other websites
00:31:24.88\00:31:29.02
to have it up there and it just
takes a lot of work. So what we
00:31:29.05\00:31:34.12
do is specifically like those
questions that people are asking
00:31:34.16\00:31:37.09
What are people asking. You
search and we do research about
00:31:37.13\00:31:40.93
what people are actually wanting
to talk about or asking and
00:31:40.96\00:31:44.77
creating the website,
writing the website, putting the
00:31:44.80\00:31:49.30
structures in place so that
Google when they are searching
00:31:49.34\00:31:52.54
for that answer which website
gives the best answer for this
00:31:52.57\00:31:55.24
question. They are able to say
hey our website actually makes
00:31:55.28\00:31:59.08
sense, what we're saying
and also the structure and the
00:31:59.11\00:32:02.98
technical aspect, how fast does
it load. There's so many things
00:32:03.02\00:32:05.32
that they would check off to say
okay this website is actually
00:32:05.35\00:32:08.42
giving the best answer, and they
will put that up in the first
00:32:08.46\00:32:12.03
page.
00:32:12.06\00:32:13.90
Wow. When you think about the
amount of work the millions but
00:32:13.93\00:32:16.36
the billions because you'll
never exhaust a search. If you
00:32:16.40\00:32:20.14
just put the letter A in the
internet and hit enter you'll
00:32:20.17\00:32:24.64
have millions of responses. So
we know that the competition is
00:32:24.67\00:32:29.58
really, reallly great. Before
we go any further I just want to
00:32:29.61\00:32:32.08
say Praise God. It's so
encouraging to hear that they're
00:32:32.11\00:32:35.68
say hey we will not allow
ourselves to be misrepresented.
00:32:35.72\00:32:40.92
Because misrepresentation could
be the matter of salvation or
00:32:40.96\00:32:44.49
being lost.
00:32:44.53\00:32:45.86
Yeah. I want to add to that too.
It goes with this concept in
00:32:45.89\00:32:48.40
Matthew chapter 5 where Jesus
says you are the light of the
00:32:48.43\00:32:52.13
world. You don't put a light
under a basket. But most of us
00:32:52.17\00:32:56.40
that's what we're doing. Right.
We're putting our light under
00:32:56.44\00:32:59.54
the basket which is somewhere
else when everyone else is
00:32:59.57\00:33:03.41
online. So all right guys put
that light where everyone can
00:33:03.45\00:33:06.88
see it. And in this morning age
where is the place if you put a
00:33:06.92\00:33:11.29
light everyone's going to see
it It's going to be online. It's
00:33:11.32\00:33:14.72
not a matter of if you
feel comfortable with it or
00:33:14.76\00:33:18.06
if technology and the world
is changing us, that's true. But
00:33:18.09\00:33:21.13
again as I mentioned the
disciples had to go through
00:33:21.16\00:33:24.13
Samaria even though they were
uncomfortable because Jesus knew
00:33:24.17\00:33:26.97
that there was a soul that had
to be saved and the whole town
00:33:27.00\00:33:31.11
was converted. So that's how
I like to see SEO too is putting
00:33:31.14\00:33:34.74
the light where
everyone is going to see it.
00:33:34.78\00:33:38.48
I like that. (Beautiful) You're
not only an online evangelist,
00:33:38.51\00:33:40.82
you're an offline
evangelist. I mean...
00:33:40.85\00:33:44.49
She does speak for women's
ministries and things like that.
00:33:44.52\00:33:46.99
Right? Yeah.
00:33:47.02\00:33:49.26
What a wonderful dynamic team.
Let's talk about some of the
00:33:49.29\00:33:51.39
ways we could modify this and
help get this message out there.
00:33:51.43\00:33:55.70
You talked about some cards.
Let's kind of go down that road.
00:33:55.73\00:34:01.50
Yeah perfect. So like I said
it gets a little complicated
00:34:01.54\00:34:06.47
when it comes to SEO. Not
everyone is able to do that.
00:34:06.51\00:34:10.35
It takes so much resources. But
what we did at Center for Online
00:34:10.38\00:34:16.69
Evangelism, we wanted to make it
so much more easier for all of
00:34:16.72\00:34:20.49
our church members to be
involved in helping in this
00:34:20.52\00:34:23.63
mission. And what we decided
to do was we created something
00:34:23.66\00:34:27.26
called the Ask a Friend card.
And these cards are just such an
00:34:27.30\00:34:32.13
easy way, you can see it on
the screen. It has a very simple
00:34:32.17\00:34:37.57
design. People love the quality
of the cards in the touch (like
00:34:37.61\00:34:43.11
a credit card) yes exactly. It's
like a business card where you
00:34:43.14\00:34:45.01
can carry it around in
your wallet. And the front has a
00:34:45.05\00:34:49.85
simple question that people are
asking online or even offline.
00:34:49.88\00:34:52.55
And the back has a QR code where
people can scan with any of
00:34:52.59\00:34:57.66
their smartphones and find the
answer online. Now it's coming
00:34:57.69\00:35:01.43
from an offline place. Everyone
can spread this out just like
00:35:01.46\00:35:06.60
any literature. You spread them
out when you go to the grocery
00:35:06.63\00:35:10.11
store you're talking to someone
or you go to an auto mechanics
00:35:10.14\00:35:12.77
shop right. Maybe you don't
have all the time to answer the
00:35:12.81\00:35:16.38
questions they ask or you don't
feel comfortable. And you just
00:35:16.41\00:35:19.21
share that card and they
could check it out. Once they go
00:35:19.25\00:35:23.82
online now it opens up a whole
other world, right? They can now
00:35:23.85\00:35:26.62
look at other answers and even
come to a Bible study through
00:35:26.65\00:35:31.23
their website.
00:35:31.26\00:35:32.59
Great! We need this.
00:35:32.63\00:35:33.96
I am just excited. Just hold
me back somebody. Now this is
00:35:34.00\00:35:38.30
evangelism. I want to go back
to something that I was talking
00:35:38.33\00:35:40.84
about at the beginning here and
I alluded to it. You know in the
00:35:40.87\00:35:44.34
old way of evangelism, it still
has its benefits to having a
00:35:44.37\00:35:48.81
center rather than a center of
the online evangelism. Sometimes
00:35:48.84\00:35:52.51
an evangelistic series will
be held at a particular location
00:35:52.55\00:35:56.58
which could be one of
three things: The seed could be
00:35:56.62\00:35:58.95
planted, it could be watered, or
it could be the time of increase
00:35:58.99\00:36:02.06
because you never know. So what
you're doing in fact um I see
00:36:02.09\00:36:06.59
it in ways: You may be planting
the seed, you may be watering
00:36:06.63\00:36:10.50
the seed or God may be using
your ministry to bring about
00:36:10.53\00:36:13.74
the increase. So we talked about
that. There's only three ways:
00:36:13.77\00:36:18.14
One plant. Paul planted, Apollos
watered, God gave the increase.
00:36:18.17\00:36:20.81
And so what you're doing now
is...Church members...You don't
00:36:20.84\00:36:26.78
have to be a church member.
If you're watching and you want
00:36:26.82\00:36:28.52
to be an evangelist say I
need a couple of those boxes. Or
00:36:28.55\00:36:33.76
maybe...How many cards do you
have in total. So there are a
00:36:33.79\00:36:38.19
total of nine topics. We want to
increase a lot more. We have so
00:36:38.23\00:36:41.56
many more questions but a total
of nine different topics and
00:36:41.60\00:36:44.47
what you saw on the screen at
the last screen we call that a
00:36:44.50\00:36:50.04
Starter Kit. So every church or
even a business if you have one
00:36:50.07\00:36:52.91
could order the starter kit that
comes with about 900 cards, 100
00:36:52.94\00:37:01.52
cards for each on the topic
and it also comes with a display
00:37:01.55\00:37:03.69
like a rack that could hold the
cards in place so you could put
00:37:03.72\00:37:09.42
it in your foyer, you could
put it in an office desk or
00:37:09.46\00:37:13.23
something like that and
now everyone can see all the
00:37:13.26\00:37:16.63
questions.
00:37:16.67\00:37:18.57
I can't wait till this program
is over so I can order that.
00:37:18.60\00:37:20.84
I mean really. That's...So a
hundred in a box. (900) Oh 900!
00:37:20.87\00:37:26.78
in a box?! Really.
00:37:26.81\00:37:29.34
One hundred for
each topic. (Woo-ooo)
00:37:29.38\00:37:32.71
Okay so in the box, all 900
are there. All nine topics are
00:37:32.75\00:37:35.88
represented. (Yes exactly)
Wow! You know you guys are...
00:37:35.92\00:37:43.29
Imagine going to a restaurant
and you want to leave a tip.
00:37:43.32\00:37:45.06
Put the card with
the tip. Priceless.
00:37:45.09\00:37:47.53
And I actually went to the
website. I scanned it with my
00:37:47.56\00:37:51.63
phone and it took me to the page
which led me to other questions.
00:37:51.67\00:37:55.40
(Exactly) That's the beautiful
thing about it. An evangelistic
00:37:55.44\00:38:00.01
series on your phone. This is
phenomenal! This is Phenomenal!
00:38:00.04\00:38:03.31
We've got to
order it for our church.
00:38:03.35\00:38:05.01
Order for our church.
00:38:05.05\00:38:07.38
There is something else that
I want to address while we're
00:38:07.42\00:38:10.15
talking about online evangelism.
It's a question that I'm faced
00:38:10.19\00:38:13.36
with. With persons who are
a little bit hesitant when it
00:38:13.39\00:38:16.36
comes to online evangelism. Well
are you replacing community? Are
00:38:16.39\00:38:20.53
you replacing in-person contact
in the church. It's not about
00:38:20.56\00:38:24.00
It's not about that. It's
not that at all. It's about one,
00:38:24.03\00:38:27.47
reaching people where they are
and then bringing them into a
00:38:27.50\00:38:30.61
deeper connection. Most of us
especially in this day and age
00:38:30.64\00:38:34.54
my parents for example live
in the Bahamas. When we had our
00:38:34.58\00:38:38.61
wedding we got married in
the middle of COVID, our parents
00:38:38.65\00:38:40.52
could not be there, well
my parents could not be there.
00:38:40.55\00:38:42.78
Right. But they did not miss
that opportunity to be present
00:38:42.82\00:38:46.72
because we had Zoom and we had
all of these online ways. And so
00:38:46.76\00:38:51.73
with online evangelism you're
connecting with people and then
00:38:51.76\00:38:55.96
drawing them. We have to
go where they are. So it's not
00:38:56.00\00:38:59.47
about replacing church
and replacing connection or
00:38:59.50\00:39:02.87
replacing relationships. We
can't just sit back and be like
00:39:02.90\00:39:07.84
well I don't know about it and
I'm not comfortable and people
00:39:07.88\00:39:10.61
are online too much anyway. Well
they're online whether we're
00:39:10.65\00:39:14.32
doing online evangelism or
not. So we might as well use the
00:39:14.35\00:39:18.65
opportunity to share
the gospel. (Well said)
00:39:18.69\00:39:20.96
Is it also accessible to
Facebook or Instagram. Do you
00:39:20.99\00:39:25.23
have links in those
communities. (We do) Okay.
00:39:25.26\00:39:29.20
We have all those. We try to
utilize every platform that we
00:39:29.23\00:39:32.80
can. It all depends on how much
can we do as a team. But what's
00:39:32.83\00:39:39.57
also really nice is we actually
did a research on why do our
00:39:39.61\00:39:45.61
members have a difficulty in
evangelizing? And I think that's
00:39:45.65\00:39:49.28
something that you'd be
interested in as well. And we
00:39:49.32\00:39:52.89
talked with pastors, we talked
with conference leaders and did
00:39:52.92\00:39:56.93
a lot of interviews asking them
you know what do you think is
00:39:56.96\00:40:00.46
hindering our church members?
There were top four reasons why
00:40:00.50\00:40:01.83
All of them kind of had a
similar answer. And one of the
00:40:04.50\00:40:08.84
biggest reasons is because they
fear sharing. A lot of members
00:40:08.87\00:40:15.28
fear sharing. They feel like
they don't know enough. They are
00:40:15.31\00:40:19.65
not competent in what they want
to share what they believe or
00:40:19.68\00:40:24.89
what they think they know.
And so that hinders a lot of our
00:40:24.92\00:40:29.49
members from going out. Another
thing is they're tired of doing
00:40:29.52\00:40:33.19
the same thing over and over,
which we know that traditional
00:40:33.23\00:40:38.57
evangelistic series has it's
place but a lot of the members
00:40:38.60\00:40:42.10
are saying, We've been doing
that so long. Is there something
00:40:42.14\00:40:45.41
that is more relevant. And
so when we did this research we
00:40:45.44\00:40:49.14
said this is perfect. We
have these cards and this is
00:40:49.18\00:40:53.11
completely new. It's different
than before where they actually,
00:40:53.15\00:40:56.58
the people that are not just
reading it from the literature
00:40:56.62\00:40:59.72
but they're reading it online
and now they...It's a way of
00:40:59.75\00:41:06.16
sharing in different ways where
churches could get involved.
00:41:06.19\00:41:07.53
And so it kind of answered
all those questions and now you
00:41:07.56\00:41:10.73
don't need to know everything
you need to know about the Bible
00:41:10.77\00:41:13.40
None of us do. Right. But now
you are equipped to share these
00:41:13.44\00:41:19.97
cards anywhere you go because
you have it in your pocket and
00:41:20.01\00:41:22.41
it has the answer
that they need to know.
00:41:22.44\00:41:25.55
Wow, that's
really good. Go ahead.
00:41:25.58\00:41:28.05
No, I'm just saying this is
so necessary. We're in the last
00:41:28.08\00:41:30.75
days we need to get the gospel
out to the world. This is a
00:41:30.79\00:41:34.69
a great avenue to
get the gospel out.
00:41:34.72\00:41:36.52
I'm interested in hearing. Did
you cover all the four reasons?
00:41:36.56\00:41:40.83
All for reasons, Ah. You were
listening. Yeah, so the four
00:41:40.86\00:41:45.93
reasons...So I covered two
right The other two are...well I
00:41:45.97\00:41:52.27
covered three actually: Being
incompetent to share, a fear
00:41:52.31\00:41:55.84
of sharing and then the third
one was tired of doing the same
00:41:55.88\00:41:59.18
thing. The last one is they
don't own their faith. That was
00:41:59.21\00:42:03.85
one of the answers that a lot
of the pastors and the leaders
00:42:03.89\00:42:06.62
were saying that we are
kind of afraid of being known as
00:42:06.65\00:42:11.09
Adventists. We're afraid because
people have this negative view
00:42:11.13\00:42:15.63
about Adventism and that's why
we actually did our cards and
00:42:15.66\00:42:20.54
the website is called
Ask an Adventist Friend.
00:42:20.57\00:42:23.07
Right, to make it clear.
00:42:23.10\00:42:24.77
Make it clear were coming from
an Adventist stance. The reason
00:42:24.81\00:42:29.24
why that is, and personally you
know that was a problem for my
00:42:29.28\00:42:31.51
family. It's because in the past
maybe a lot of people felt that
00:42:31.55\00:42:40.16
there was enough knowledge about
Adventism where oh they're a
00:42:40.19\00:42:43.43
cult or they have these negative
views. But now we're in a
00:42:43.46\00:42:48.03
different generation where
many people don't even know who
00:42:48.06\00:42:50.10
Adventists are. We're not in the
forefront anymore. Nobody knows
00:42:50.13\00:42:54.14
who we are anymore. That is a
tragedy but it could work for us
00:42:54.17\00:43:00.28
and leverage that where if
people don't know who Adventists
00:43:00.31\00:43:03.45
are let's start from a blank
canvas. Start painting a picture
00:43:03.48\00:43:07.42
that we know who we are and
letting people know truly who we
00:43:07.45\00:43:12.49
are instead of
hearing from someone else.
00:43:12.52\00:43:15.56
That's right. We don't want to
be the best-kept secret. That's
00:43:15.59\00:43:18.43
a horrible title. You know it's
like coming in second place.
00:43:18.46\00:43:21.23
You know you're the first place
loser. You don't hey I came in
00:43:21.26\00:43:27.54
second. In the Olympics that
may be a glorified thing, first,
00:43:27.57\00:43:31.67
second and third. However why as
one of my good friend Dr. Sudho
00:43:31.71\00:43:36.48
Pandit he asked me a question
once that really got me thinking
00:43:36.51\00:43:38.88
He said when is a good decision
a bad decision and a bad
00:43:38.91\00:43:45.95
decision a good decision? And
I thought Why you want to mess
00:43:45.99\00:43:49.02
with me like that? And so here's
what his answer was. He says
00:43:49.06\00:43:53.26
a good decision is a bad
decision when it could have been
00:43:53.29\00:43:57.93
a better decision or the best
decision. So we're making a lot
00:43:57.97\00:44:02.14
of good decisions about
evangelism but it could be
00:44:02.17\00:44:04.94
better and why not be the best
decision? So this is what I see
00:44:04.97\00:44:10.31
Center for Online Evangelism is
all about let's not be known as
00:44:10.35\00:44:15.58
they're good Bible students. Why
not be They're the best Bible
00:44:15.62\00:44:21.46
students I've ever met. And
I like that what you just said:
00:44:21.49\00:44:24.69
Own it. I'm a Seventh-day
Adventist. I'm not ashamed of it
00:44:24.73\00:44:28.36
because the world is not
hiding behind any _ right now.
00:44:28.40\00:44:31.93
And when is a good decision,
when is a bad decision a good
00:44:31.97\00:44:34.97
decision? That's the other part.
When a bad decision could be a
00:44:35.00\00:44:40.94
worse decision or the worst
decision. See so we have to make
00:44:40.98\00:44:46.68
sure that we're in the proper
context. And thank you for what
00:44:46.72\00:44:48.05
you do here. Now how do we get
involved. Let's just kind of...
00:44:48.08\00:44:52.32
you're talking to the viewers
here. How could we get involved
00:44:52.35\00:44:56.46
in two ways? Getting you
equipped to continue going and
00:44:56.49\00:45:01.43
growing and getting us equipped
to continue going and growing
00:45:01.46\00:45:04.57
and getting out there?
00:45:04.60\00:45:05.93
Yeah, so just two ways. Start
off with a really short story. I
00:45:05.97\00:45:10.51
love stories. A few maybe months
ago I was in my kitchen and
00:45:10.54\00:45:15.34
cutting up peppers. And I saw
all the pepper seeds and I was
00:45:15.38\00:45:18.01
about to throw them in the
trash. I'm like man this is a
00:45:18.05\00:45:20.45
waste. I had a little planter
with soil and I took a handful
00:45:20.48\00:45:27.09
of those seeds...I'm not a
gardener, I'm not good at all
00:45:27.12\00:45:32.39
but I thought I wonder what
would happen if I just threw
00:45:32.43\00:45:34.90
these seeds in that soil. I
threw them in, covered them,
00:45:34.93\00:45:37.83
watered them and all of these
sprouts came up. These cards are
00:45:37.87\00:45:43.57
seeds and pastors can purchase
the kit, so that's one thing.
00:45:43.61\00:45:48.28
Pastors, business leaders, if
you have some sort of influence
00:45:48.31\00:45:53.35
over people, when you purchase
the kit and you hand your
00:45:53.38\00:45:56.42
members these cards you're
giving them seed. So I say go
00:45:56.45\00:46:00.39
throughout the week they can
spread these seeds in the super
00:46:00.42\00:46:03.29
market and so forth so that's
the very first thing that you
00:46:03.32\00:46:05.69
can do. Just purchase the kit.
It is one of the simplest ways
00:46:05.73\00:46:08.70
to get people started with
evangelism. You're not going
00:46:08.73\00:46:12.03
to take a church member and
have them preach an evangelistic
00:46:12.07\00:46:15.17
series. They can't do that.
Or have them going door to door.
00:46:15.20\00:46:16.54
That's great but not
every person is ready to do that
00:46:20.11\00:46:24.05
but each person can take a
handful of seeds and put them in
00:46:24.08\00:46:27.72
some soil and then the Lord does
the rest of the work. So that's
00:46:27.75\00:46:31.79
the first thing and then second
the work that the Center for
00:46:31.82\00:46:34.62
Online Evangelism is doing
we won't be able to see the
00:46:34.66\00:46:38.43
effect of it until we get
to heaven (multiple voices)
00:46:38.46\00:46:41.13
the bounty. But we need more
support, the finances go such a
00:46:41.16\00:46:46.70
long way of helping us to hire
more people to write, getting
00:46:46.74\00:46:52.21
more questions on these cards,
creating more cards to give them
00:46:52.24\00:46:55.71
out to more people. So those
are two main ways, purchase the
00:46:55.74\00:46:59.05
cards and then
donating to the ministry.
00:46:59.08\00:47:02.48
And more specifically for the
second part we definitely want
00:47:02.52\00:47:06.55
more of these cards. We have
some about mental health like
00:47:06.59\00:47:10.03
what do you do with grief? We
have things about prophecy. We
00:47:10.06\00:47:14.46
have questions about our own
doctrines. Even a prayer, can we
00:47:14.50\00:47:18.40
pray for you. We partner with
AWR, Adventist World Radio, to
00:47:18.43\00:47:21.70
have answers when people submit
prayers they pray for them. And
00:47:21.74\00:47:28.04
so we want all sorts of cards.
Think about it when you go into
00:47:28.08\00:47:32.55
Uber and there's a card about
as an Uber driver, how do I
00:47:32.58\00:47:39.15
stress less. Right. If you have
a card like that and then after
00:47:39.19\00:47:42.19
you get off Uber you just hand
them...hey I hope you have a
00:47:42.22\00:47:45.23
better day today or you just
give them the card and it's just
00:47:45.26\00:47:50.57
a phenomenal way of just sharing
it right. So we want more of
00:47:50.60\00:47:53.00
these cards which means we need
more these pages. It takes a lot
00:47:53.03\00:47:57.14
of work and financial support
and workers to get that done.
00:47:57.17\00:48:01.41
And we also not only have
more pages but we want other
00:48:01.44\00:48:06.85
languages. One of the biggest
requests has been different
00:48:06.88\00:48:10.89
languages. When we go to
different events people come to
00:48:10.92\00:48:14.02
us in our booth and say you know
can we have this in Spanish?
00:48:14.06\00:48:16.42
We would love to have more of
these but right now we need we
00:48:16.46\00:48:24.10
need more resources to make that
happen. So that's really where
00:48:24.13\00:48:27.27
we want to...
00:48:27.30\00:48:28.64
You know that's really when
you think about the number of
00:48:28.67\00:48:30.27
languages and not only languages
but dialects when you come to
00:48:30.31\00:48:33.21
come of these countries. Because
I'll say do you speak Philippine
00:48:33.24\00:48:36.04
and somebody says what's that
mean. Is it Tagalog or Versai,
00:48:36.08\00:48:40.78
which one is it? What part of...
You go to New Guinea...We were
00:48:40.82\00:48:46.69
in Africa and we were speaking
English to one person in Kenya
00:48:46.72\00:48:50.69
who was interpreting for
another person in Kenya who was
00:48:50.73\00:48:54.96
interpreting... I said
what's _. We don't, these
00:48:55.00\00:48:58.27
dialects. We need a person
between us. So what a challenge.
00:48:58.30\00:49:03.34
What a challenge.
00:49:03.37\00:49:05.64
Everybody has a
phone. They could go...
00:49:05.67\00:49:07.01
That's right. Right on my phone.
There it is. That's why I got it
00:49:07.04\00:49:11.25
on my phone. So I scanned it and
it took me to the website and
00:49:11.28\00:49:14.85
the topical information is just
phenomenal. I want to thank you
00:49:14.88\00:49:17.65
for that. I want to reach
out briefly, before we go to our
00:49:17.69\00:49:20.26
news break to some of our
audience here. Because you've
00:49:20.29\00:49:24.33
heard about this
Center for Online Evangelism.
00:49:24.36\00:49:32.47
CenterForOnlineEvangelism.org
and if you just put that in
00:49:32.50\00:49:34.27
in the Pastor, Google search it
will at least guide you right to
00:49:34.30\00:49:38.87
it. (multiple voices) Let me
make this correct. What is the
00:49:38.91\00:49:46.28
cost of the kit for the cards,
the 900 cards. What's it average
00:49:46.31\00:49:51.35
So depending on how many cards
you do want exactly on the kit
00:49:51.39\00:49:55.72
it goes anywhere from 59.99 all
the way to 89.99 but it comes
00:49:55.76\00:50:02.23
with...the highest one comes
with the 900 cards and display.
00:50:02.26\00:50:06.53
Okay that's the 89.99 the cards
and the display. (Yes) Which is
00:50:06.57\00:50:11.84
great. I mean that's 900
evangelistic series for $89
00:50:11.87\00:50:19.18
That's just...You can't pay for
that. (You can't) And when you
00:50:19.21\00:50:22.35
give one person or 100 people
that kind of empowerment you
00:50:22.38\00:50:27.36
cannot tell. Like she just said
When would we know the impact?
00:50:27.39\00:50:30.03
Mm-hmm. When we get to heaven.
00:50:30.06\00:50:33.93
Well the great thing is we
already have so many churches
00:50:33.96\00:50:36.97
signing up. I think we have now
about I think 70,000 cards out
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there in peoples' hands, I mean
our church members' pockets.
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Or the churches. So that's
slowly growing little by little.
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Yeah. So we want every single
member to have these cards in
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their pockets. So no matter
where you go you're able to hand
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them out.
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Wow. So what are
you going to do Honey?
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I'm going to plant my seed.
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You're going to
become an evangelist?
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I'm going to become an
evangelist. I love that
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illustration you said
about the pot. That's great.
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I learned that early in marriage
when I was about to throw away
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a little twig my wife planted
that and eventually gave away an
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aloe vera plant. To me, it
looked like nothing but a twig.
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You know the gospel may look
like nothing but a twig or just
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a seed, a byproduct of some
fruit or vegetable. That's the
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way you might see evangelism
but when you sow the seed of the
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truth as Center for Online
Evangelism is doing you'll be
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able to proliferate the gospel
and get the world ready. We're
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going to take a short break but
on the other side we have a few
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closing thoughts
so don't go away.
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If you would like to contact or
know more about the Center for
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Online Evangelism you can do so
on the following ways. You can
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write to them at 1867
Williams Hwy Suite 255
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Grants Pass, OR 97527. You can
call them at (541) 236-4960. You
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can visit their website at
CenterForOnlineEvangelism.org
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You can also
send them an email at
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Info@
CenterForOnlineEvangelism.org
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