I want to spend my life
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mending broken people.
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I want to spend my life
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removing pain.
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Lord, let my words
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heal a heart that hurts.
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people...
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people.
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Hello and welcome, friends,
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to another
program of 3ABN Today.
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I'm your host,
Pastor James Rafferty,
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and I have two
special guests with me today
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who are doing a vital work
- a powerful work for God -
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in the continent of Africa
in the country of The Congo.
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I have with me Pr. George Lee.
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Pastor Lee, good to have
you with us. Good being here.
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And I also have
Pastor Thomas Ongasa.
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Thank you. It's good to
have you here, Pastor Thomas.
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Thank you Pastor James. We
have a very special program
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today. We're going to
be looking at the ministry
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entitled Train Them 2 Fish.
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Train Them 2 Fish.
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And we're going to be
focusing on what's going on
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in Congo with reaching people
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who probably have
never heard of Jesus Christ
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and then training them
for the kingdom of heaven.
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So we're really excited
about our program today.
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Before we get to our program
we're going to have a word
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of prayer that God
will bless and direct us
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as we share with you
this powerful ministry.
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And then we're going
to go to a special music
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with Jaime Jorge...
Jorge... Jaime Jorge...
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Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus.
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So let's start with a word
of prayer before we get into
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our program. Father in
heaven, we want to thank you
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again for this opportunity
just to get a glimpse
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of the work that You are doing
in this world... especially
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in the Congo. I want to pray
that You'll be with Pr. George,
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with Pastor Thomas.
That You'll guide and direct
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their hearts as they share
with our viewers the testimony
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of the powerful ministry
that You've been doing in this
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war-torn country
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bringing the 3 angels'
messages to so many people...
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even people who are
rebels against government...
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and turning
their hearts to Jesus.
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We're looking forward to
their testimonies, Father.
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We just ask that Your
Spirit will anoint them
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and will anoint this program.
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So guide and direct us we
pray in Jesus' name, Amen. AMEM!
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OK... we're going to listen
to a special with Jaime Jorge:
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Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
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then we'll be right back.
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Amen! Amen!
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Thank you Jaime
Jorge. And we are blessed
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to keep our eyes
focused upon Jesus.
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Well we're going to
start with our guests.
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I want to know a little
bit about you Pastor George
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and Pastor Thomas.
Tell me a little bit about
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you personally and then
your connection with The Congo.
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Well I was actually a Catholic.
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OK. I wanted to become a
priest when I was younger.
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OK. And the Lord took
me out of Babylon - OK -
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and brought me to
this truth through my wife.
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Where were you?
What country were you in?
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I was in Trinidad
at that time - OK -
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when I wanted to become a priest
and I came to the United States
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afterward. Then I met my wife
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and we got married in
the Catholic church. OK.
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And after that... A
few years later on she said
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she didn't like the way
the priest was preaching.
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So I took her back
in the Adventist church
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and she came back crying
when she heard about Rev. 13-
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Wow - about the
coming of Jesus and she said:
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"I'm going back to
the Adventist church. "
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And I said: "Are you crazy? "
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The children were two altar
boys in the Catholic church -
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hmm - and they were there.
And I said: "Lord, since I can't
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be a priest maybe they can
become a priest later on. "
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Oh wow! But the
Lord took that away.
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She took them to
the Adventist church.
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They started learning the Bible.
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I saw the Spirit of the
Lord working with the children.
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And at that time they were
going to the Catholic school.
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One of the nuns mentioned
about something in the Bible.
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My second son said:
'No, it's not in the Bible. "
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So he came and
he told me about it.
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So the second week she said
something about the Bible again
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and my wife said my son
came back and he said: "No,
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it's not in the Bible. " So I
was working at Bank of America
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and she called me
at the job and said:
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"What's with your son? Why
is he talking about the Bible? "
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I said: "Well, he's
being taught the Bible. "
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So she said: "Is he the defender
of the Adventist faith? "
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I said: "No... he's
studying the Bible. "
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So the third time something
happened she slapped him.
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Wow! She slapped him
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and my wife had
just been baptized. Hmm.
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She was so angry she was
planning of going down there
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and "duke it up" with the nuns.
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She decided to take the kids
out; send them to SDA school.
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At that time I was still
a Catholic and I decided:
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"You know, I see the
Lord working with the children
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and I want to believe. "
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I said: "Lord, maybe I'm going
to give my life to the Lord
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also. " Um-hmm. There
was a new believer's class
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and my daughter who
was 9 years at that time
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was very strong. And they used
to pray a lot in the SDA church.
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And I was sitting in
the new believer's class
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and my wife and my
daughter were there.
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And she said: "I
want to get baptized. "
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So the Bible worker said: "You
know you can't get baptized...
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your father is a strong
Catholic; he has to approve. "
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So I said: "Maybe
I'll get baptized also. "
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Hmm. So that week
afterwards was Palm Sunday.
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So I went to church with
my mother because I was still
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a Catholic and I
felt kind of conflicted.
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Maybe something is wrong. Let me
find out what's going on here.
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The priest spoke
about the Ten Commandments.
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He mentioned every
commandment except for one:
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the fourth commandment. Right.
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So when he didn't mention
it I went to him and I said:
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"Is the Catholic
church above God? "
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He said: "What do you mean? "
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I said: "You mentioned
every commandment except the 4th
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commandment. " He
said: "It's changed. "
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I said: "Where? " He
said: "Apocalupsis. "
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So at that time I
was studying the Bible
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and I knew what Apocalupsis was.
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I was looking at some
Greek. So I said: "Revelation. "
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He said: "Yeah. " So
I went into the Bible
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and I looked at this man
and said: "What do you say
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is true? The Bible does
say that the fourth commandment
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is going to be changed
but the Bible says it will be
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changed by an apostate church. "
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Hmm. "A church that
turned away from God. "
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So that was my decision
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and my daughter and I got
baptized... which was Good
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Friday for the Catholic church.
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Saturday - they call
it Resurrection Morning -
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and it was my
resurrection. Right.
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My daughter and I got
baptized the same time.
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And I was coming
up out of the water
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I heard a voice
from heaven say to me:
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"This is where I want
you to be. " Praise God!
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And I knew I
wanted to become a priest.
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The Lord said: "You know
something? You're going to do
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pastoral evangelism. " Wow! Wow!
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And I've been
here ever since. Wow!
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Pastor Thomas, have you
been an Adventist all your life?
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Or did you come from the
Catholic church too like we did?
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I want to tell you something.
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You know, we are acquainted
with the word "PK's. "
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OK. Pastor's kids. Yeah.
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But I am not a PK... I'm a NK.
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Nun's kid... special. My mother
used to be a Roman Catholic nun.
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Really? Yes.
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And now the story that
my father was a farmer.
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He owned a coffee farm
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and he had a woman. And
the first woman of my father
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didn't have children. So where
is this? What country are we in?
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In Congo. The Congo... OK.
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And now my father
wanted to have children
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and his wife said:
"Don't go after another woman.
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I will help you to
find the right one. "
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OK. And she went
back to her village
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and she found my mom. She
was coming from the nunnery
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and she was pregnant. She
was raped by rebels - Wow -
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and she was pregnant.
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And the cousin said
"I am married to a man
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and I don't have children...
so you, instead of going back
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to the nunnery with
this pregnancy - yes -
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come and become the
second wife of my husband
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and bear children to me. "
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Wow! And then they made a deal.
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Two cousins... they made a deal.
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OK. "If you're coming to become
the second wife of my husband
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then the first three
children will be mine
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and the fourth will be yours. "
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Really? The two
sisters made an agreement
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and my mother became the
second wife of my father.
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And then she bore three
children: two boys and one girl.
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OK. And I am the fourth
one. And you are the fourth one!
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You're hers. Yes! And I was
born... I was supposed to be
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the first-born of my
mother actually. Right.
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The same year my family
became SDA... my family.
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So my mother was baptized. OK.
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And the first wife
was also baptized. OK.
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And my father said: "I
want to keep all my wives
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and to take care of my family
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so I'll be a
friend of the church
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and I will still be a SDA
but I will not be baptized
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because I have two wives. "
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And then finally my mother
said: "This is my first-born.
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I used to be a missionary.
I want to pray for my son
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to commit his life
in the hand of the Lord
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so he may become a missionary
as I used to be a missionary
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of the Roman Catholic
church. " Wow! So that's me!
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That's amazing! So we're all
from the Roman Catholic church.
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We're all connected.
Isn't that something? Yeah.
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It's interesting
because in Revelation we're told
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the message is: "Come
out of her My people. "
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Yes. And God has
many many precious people
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in the Roman Catholic
faith, and we all know that.
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You know, we all know
that... but those people are His
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because they are going to
accept the everlasting gospel
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and come out of Babylon.
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I do have family in
the Catholic church...
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very strong in the
Catholic church. Yes.
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And some of them - one of them
- a good friend of the family
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she's a nun also. OK.
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She's gone to different
parts of the world doing work.
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My cousin also is part of...
he went to Rome to meet the Pope
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and did a lot of fundraising
to fix the cathedral.
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Very strong in the
Catholic faith. OK.
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And they are going to watch this
program but I want them to know
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that I am praying for them
to the Lord. Amen! I like that.
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I like that. So what is
your connection with The Congo?
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You live in The Congo?
Yeah. And you are connected?
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Yeah, well, we started the
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Share Him having
evangelistic meetings. OK.
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And I was working with Pastor
Michael Ngwaruat Share Him
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for a while. And we decided
we're going to go to Zimbabwe.
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So while we were in Zimbabwe
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we had a meeting and we decided.
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"You know, The Congo
has been our concern. "
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Mary... Mary Ann
Roberts who was there, she said:
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"This is our concern:
we need to go to The Congo.
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When can we go to The Congo? "
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So Pastor Michael
Ngwaru said: "You know,
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The Congo has too many rebels
fighting and different things
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so it's going to be difficult.
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If you're going,
you're going on your own
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because the
government fights the British
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and our Canadian government.
If you go into The Congo,
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we can't get you out so
you've got to make a decision. "
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So we already decided. We
prayed; we are going to go.
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So he did the logistics.
He went up in the Wembashee.
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While we were in
Wembashee we were praying
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and I was doing
evangelistic meetings.
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One person came to me one
day, an elder of the church.
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I was preaching in one of
the big churches over there.
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He said: "Pastor,
you know the last time
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we had an evangelistic meeting
in the Wambashee was 1927. "
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Hmm! That was the last time they
ever had an evangelistic meeting
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there. So I said:
"Man, it was that bad! "
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And we were staying
in the Union compound
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and we heard the history of
why the rebels were fighting.
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The missionaries at
that time in the early days
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used to sleep between the walls
of the compound to keep away
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from the bullets
flying in the place.
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I mean, it was something else.
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So while this was
happening we got a call from...
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from Pastor Ongasa
about wanting us to come
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to his area
because he was Bocabu.
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He said: "Look, we
need you to come down here
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because we heard you were
doing a big evangelistic meeting
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over there. " So he wanted
us to come, and he called us.
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I was talking with Pastor Dobias
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and that's when we found
about... Pastor Ongasa can
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tell his story about
when he heard about us. OK.
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Well I was a Conference
President by that time.
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I went to the Congo for
the first time and it was 2011.
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OK. I went to the Union office
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for the end-year
meetings. Then on my way back
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I was reading
Adventist news... world news...
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and I saw about Share
Him. I read about Share Him
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in Wambashee for a
campaign. I said: "What?
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I need to be in touch with
them! " I went to the website
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I found a phone # and I called
and it was Pr. David Dobias,
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the coordinator for
the team in Wambashee.
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He indicated who he was
and he said: "Who are you? "
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I said: "I am
Pastor Thomas Ongasa,
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a Conference president in the
So. Kyu area east in The Congo.
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So I want you after
Mgashi to come to my place
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next year. " And he said:
"OK, we will pray about that. "
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And finally, they decided. They
went to the Congo to my place
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and we had wonderful
people coming. So many people
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and we sent them to
three different cities:
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Makabwe I was,
Goma, and Sinatti.
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And Pastor Lee was
coordinat- ing the team in Goma.
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And finally, so we
said: "You need to come back
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the following year...
2015. " And I saw them
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in a vision. The Lord
wanted me to start a ministry
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for the French-speaking
countries in Africa
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and I wanted them to come back
and to discuss with me about
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the ministry. So the
following year - 2013-
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they went back to
Bukabwe and trained them.
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I attended the first
meeting we had there.
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OK. Then we decided on a
name for the organization
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and trained the
officials in Inokema. OK.
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From there on after that
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one of the individuals who was
interested in forming the org.
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she went back to
North Carolina - OK -
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Carolyn Leonard - and
she started the organization.
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And that's how Train
Them 2 Fish was born.
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So Train Them 2 Fish.
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Tell us about that
ministry. What is the goal?
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What is the vision of the
ministry of Train Them 2 Fish?
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Well that's our official
name: Train Them 2 Fish. Um-hmm.
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Jesus called His first
disciples with: "Follow Me
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and I will make you
fishers of men. " That's right.
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Exactly. So it
was our dream. Um-hmm.
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We want to make fishers of men
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to reach out to the French-
speaking countries of Africa.
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And the first time we went
with the name Teach Them 2 Fish
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and when we were thinking
about the name Train Them 2 Fish
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in the U.S. they say: "that
name has been taken. " Yes.
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Actually we don't
like to ruin that name.
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and we said: "Teaching
people will train them. " Yes.
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Better... better.
Teaching... feeding the mind.
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A lot of people mention it
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but training is
teaching people to do the work.
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I checked with the
Internet and I found out that
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Teach Them 2 Fish has
already been an organization.
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We cannot afford to have
any crossover and we don't want
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anyone suing us
for taking the name.
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So we came up
with Train Them 2 Fish
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and that was really and truly...
The organization said: "OK"
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and we stayed
with Train Them 2 Fish.
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I like that. And we stayed
with Train Them 2 Fish. OK.
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So the goal for us is
not only to train people
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to go out and to reach
other people for Jesus.
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Since we are
working in a poor area
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you know when you
bring people to the church
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poor people, so they may become
another burden for the church.
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And we said: "We
will be training people
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to go out for
evangelism. Also to train people
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how to make a living. " OK!
And so physically & spiritually.
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And our vision at Train
Them 2 Fish is to reach out
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to French-speaking
countries of Africa - um-hmm -
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using Christ's methods. OK.
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So the French-speaking
countries of Africa...
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not just the
Congo? Not just the Congo.
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Really. OK... do
you speak French?
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I do. You do speak
French? My first language.
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That's your first
language? OK... so...
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So what are the different
focuses of the ministry
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Train Them 2 Fish? Is it
just one thing that you're doing
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or are there other
things? What does it entail?
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What is it all about?
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In the beginning we will
say we have like five fingers
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in the world. OK.
And the main project is
00:19:59.96\00:20:04.73
training people. Um-hmm.
00:20:04.93\00:20:06.74
So training Bible workers - OK -
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training medical
missionaries - OK -
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training people in
vocational programs - yeah, OK -
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like to make a
living. Can make a living
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and also training
people in actually agriculture.
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Farming program: the
training program we have.
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And so we have an official
program where we train people
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in the health
program. Yeah... OK.
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That's the next
part of our program.
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We have the evangelism school
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and we are planning
to open up a school of...
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like Wildwood.
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It will be like Wildwood. We
want to do the same thing also
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OK - training them how
to do medical missionary
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so they can go
and help other people.
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When we were there we
found out a lot of the people
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when we were doing the medical
a lot of people suffer with
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high blood pressure.
OK. And the thing is that
00:21:03.83\00:21:05.59
they were eating too much
sodium, not drinking enough H2O.
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And so we were teaching
them about cutting down on salt
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but they had this ailment
and they always wanted us
00:21:12.67\00:21:16.20
to give them some
kind of medication.
00:21:16.40\00:21:17.74
OK. So really and truly they
did not need the medication.
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They needed to change the
lifestyle. Natural lifestyle.
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Teaching them but they
said: "Give me a tablet;
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give me
something. " But eventually
00:21:27.08\00:21:29.58
we were telling
them the importance
00:21:29.78\00:21:34.92
of drinking water - yes - and
of too much salt in your food.
00:21:36.39\00:21:39.09
OK. Caused too much problems.
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Do they have water
readily available there?
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Well, that's a
challenge in the Congo because
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the reports say that only 15%
of the communities have access
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to drinking water... ANY water.
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Right. So that's why
our second finger is health.
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OK. So not only
providing physical health
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but also
education. Education of people
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how to get access to
clean water and sanitation.
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Health is our second
finger so we have been
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going in different communities
providing free health care
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to people and villages.
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And when the government
came to see what we were doing
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in terms of providing
free health care - um-hmm -
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the government was impressed.
They said: "You are doing
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a great work. So
we have three vans
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medical vans - and you
guys can take those vans. "
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Really? We got mobile clinics.
00:22:38.92\00:22:41.22
They were given to us.
And so "Use them & take them
00:22:41.42\00:22:44.46
to the community;
provide free health care. "
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We didn't have to apply for the
vans. "Just come and take it. "
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Really? And also we
dug about 12 wells. Yes.
00:22:50.70\00:22:54.27
You did! We were
asking about that... OK.
00:22:54.47\00:22:57.87
Because in some places
they need water so badly
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and they have to walk so
far to get the water. Yes.
00:23:00.98\00:23:02.84
It's not even clear water -
yes - the water they're taking.
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So with the well drilling,
is that a company that you
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work with or is that your
own ministry? Our own ministry!
00:23:08.65\00:23:11.55
Yeah, our own
ministry all those things.
00:23:11.75\00:23:14.72
So when we provide
clean water for people
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we remind them that
Jesus is the Living Water.
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Amen! Amen! 'Cause
there's a ministry in Guatemala
00:23:20.96\00:23:23.73
that's based in the
US that drills wells.
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Yes. It's kind of a
huge impact, you know,
00:23:27.04\00:23:30.84
because water is one
of the natural doctors
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that we have.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:23:34.48\00:23:35.91
Another finger of
Teach Them 2 Fish is
00:23:36.11\00:23:38.65
financial
stability. We have what we call
00:23:38.85\00:23:42.72
Sabbath Bread Program. OK.
00:23:42.92\00:23:45.35
The Sabbath Bread Program
teaches people how to make bread
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and one of our Bible workers has
been trained how to make bread.
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So when they make bread
they go to a place where
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there is no church near
and they start a bakery there.
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And they don't sell the
bread. They go to the community
00:24:00.27\00:24:02.57
and tell people:
"We'll give you a job. "
00:24:02.77\00:24:04.67
Really? "Come and
become sellers of our bread. "
00:24:04.87\00:24:07.64
Really? "So after you sell
the bread then we will pay you
00:24:07.84\00:24:11.45
ten percent...
25% of your sales. "
00:24:11.65\00:24:14.52
So we pay them
on a weekly basis.
00:24:14.72\00:24:19.25
Every Friday they
come to the Bible worker
00:24:19.45\00:24:22.26
and they receive their salary.
And the Bible worker make an
00:24:22.46\00:24:24.53
announcement and say:
"Tomorrow there is no bread.
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If you come to my bakery, I have
special bread to give to you. "
00:24:27.33\00:24:31.40
And if they come on the Sabbath
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give them the Bread of
Life Bible studies. Wow!
00:24:34.14\00:24:36.87
That is amazing. I LOVE that!
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We don't have
pictures of the bakery as yet
00:24:40.31\00:24:42.34
but it is almost finished. OK.
00:24:42.54\00:24:44.45
We just got a good donation
on it so it is almost completed.
00:24:44.65\00:24:49.08
So explain that.
You have a bakery
00:24:49.28\00:24:52.02
in a central area, and from
there all the bread goes out
00:24:52.22\00:24:55.39
to other areas?
Yes... that's the plan.
00:24:55.59\00:24:58.66
On the campus we
have the main bakery. OK.
00:24:58.86\00:25:03.57
And we train them.
We can sell around us.
00:25:03.77\00:25:06.84
But when we send Bible workers
to a rural area where there is
00:25:07.04\00:25:10.24
no church they go and
they start their own bakery.
00:25:10.44\00:25:13.81
Small ones. OK. We
give them seed funds
00:25:14.01\00:25:16.88
to start a bakery as
a center of influence
00:25:17.08\00:25:19.88
where people will
be coming to get bread.
00:25:20.08\00:25:22.02
We sell bread, and on
Sabbath everything is closed
00:25:22.22\00:25:25.59
and we give the Bread of Life.
00:25:25.79\00:25:27.46
OK. So these small
bakeries... are they a bakery
00:25:27.66\00:25:30.29
or they just
receive bread from the main?
00:25:30.49\00:25:33.33
It's a selling place where
they can sell. Oh it's a selling
00:25:33.53\00:25:35.26
place. Gotcha. They
have like a little stand -
00:25:35.46\00:25:37.23
yes - where they
can sell the bread.
00:25:37.43\00:25:39.10
After they invite them for
Bible work afterward on Sabbath.
00:25:39.67\00:25:42.57
OK... All right... so
00:25:42.77\00:25:44.87
what about? Can you tell
your viewers a little bit about
00:25:45.07\00:25:48.41
what happened between?
The last interview you've had
00:25:48.61\00:25:51.45
has been how long ago?
00:25:51.65\00:25:52.98
That was almost three years ago.
00:25:53.08\00:25:55.12
Almost three years ago. So
from that time to this time
00:25:55.32\00:25:58.52
especially there's been a couple
years of this COVID crisis
00:25:58.72\00:26:02.69
that we've been going
through with a lot of lockdowns
00:26:02.89\00:26:04.96
how has that impacted
the ministry? What's happened
00:26:05.16\00:26:08.16
from that time to this time?
00:26:08.36\00:26:09.70
We've been doing a lot of work
in the Congo in health ministry.
00:26:09.86\00:26:13.27
OK. And teaching them how to
distance... social distancing.
00:26:13.47\00:26:16.84
And what we did is the
people who we taught how to sew
00:26:17.04\00:26:20.94
they started making the
masks. We bought the material
00:26:21.14\00:26:23.98
and we started making the masks
and we started to distribute.
00:26:24.18\00:26:27.15
Pastor Ongasa is going to
explain more of what happened.
00:26:27.35\00:26:30.19
So during the lockdown, we
said: "OK, we are not going to
00:26:30.39\00:26:34.06
lock the gospel. " Um-hmm. Amen.
00:26:34.26\00:26:36.76
So we trained our Bible workers
00:26:37.16\00:26:40.76
how to become nurses - OK -
00:26:40.96\00:26:43.03
to go outside there to share
masks with these people. OK.
00:26:43.23\00:26:47.67
And we told them: "These masks
will protect you against COVID
00:26:47.87\00:26:51.74
but we have a special protec-
tion: it is the Word of God. "
00:26:51.94\00:26:56.14
So we started a special program
called City Sidewalk Evangelism.
00:26:56.34\00:27:01.55
Sending our Bible
workers to different areas
00:27:01.75\00:27:04.85
where people were going.
00:27:05.05\00:27:06.49
They can come and pick up a
free mask & also a Bible study
00:27:06.69\00:27:11.69
guide. And we said: "Go
and read the Bible study guide
00:27:11.89\00:27:15.53
so when you read it
because you'll be locked down
00:27:15.73\00:27:18.50
in your home you
cannot move a lot
00:27:18.70\00:27:21.34
so you'll be studying
the Bible to protect you
00:27:21.54\00:27:24.44
against sin. " So we had a
series of Bible studies. Yes.
00:27:24.64\00:27:28.71
So a series of 27 lessons.
00:27:28.91\00:27:32.55
So we said: "After
going through the series
00:27:32.75\00:27:36.02
we will give you a free
Bible to protect you against sin
00:27:36.22\00:27:39.25
as a mask
protecting you against sin. "
00:27:39.45\00:27:41.99
So by God's grace LightBearers
sent us containers of Bibles
00:27:42.19\00:27:46.36
and certificates as well.
00:27:46.56\00:27:48.96
So then we started the project &
our Bible workers were going out
00:27:49.16\00:27:54.40
as evangelists providing masks
00:27:54.60\00:27:59.11
and also providing
study guides. Um-hmm.
00:27:59.31\00:28:00.64
And by the time of COVID we
were able to work under tents
00:28:00.81\00:28:05.85
where people were coming to get
the Bible study guides - yeah -
00:28:06.05\00:28:09.48
and going back to
read them. Um-hmm.
00:28:09.68\00:28:11.42
And finally when the government
of Congo said that you can be
00:28:11.62\00:28:15.19
free; you can go
back to your jobs
00:28:15.39\00:28:17.46
and you can go back to the
normal life but wearing a mask;
00:28:17.66\00:28:20.96
we organized a festive
graduation with all those people
00:28:21.16\00:28:24.97
who had been studying the
Bible during the lockdown.
00:28:25.17\00:28:28.67
So guests? Get a certificate,
yes. Seven thousand people
00:28:28.87\00:28:33.48
showed up for the graduation.
00:28:33.68\00:28:35.61
Praise God! And each one
of them received a Bible.
00:28:35.81\00:28:38.21
And the Union
organized a meeting - a seminar,
00:28:38.41\00:28:42.45
on-line seminar - for two weeks.
00:28:42.65\00:28:45.75
And by God's grace
we have so many people:
00:28:45.95\00:28:49.19
1,500 people were baptized.
00:28:49.39\00:28:52.63
Praise God! You
know, it sounds to me like
00:28:52.83\00:28:55.16
Satan was trying to
lock down the gospel
00:28:55.36\00:28:57.80
during the last two
years and isolate us
00:28:58.00\00:29:00.77
and keep the
gospel from spreading
00:29:00.97\00:29:02.30
but God gave you the
wisdom to actually use that as
00:29:02.47\00:29:06.78
an opportunity to actually
get the gospel out to people -
00:29:06.98\00:29:09.64
exactly - to sow those seeds
and to bring in a great harvest
00:29:09.84\00:29:12.98
for God's glory. Yeah.
00:29:13.18\00:29:15.05
Praise God! I really love that.
That's a fantastic story. Amen.
00:29:15.25\00:29:18.95
So why do you guys focus on
the French-speaking countries
00:29:19.15\00:29:22.49
of Africa? What is
the connection there?
00:29:22.69\00:29:25.46
Is it because
you're French speaking?
00:29:25.66\00:29:27.30
The Congo is French speaking?
00:29:27.50\00:29:29.13
Yeah. When you
look at the statistics
00:29:29.76\00:29:33.67
worldwide - the SDA statistics -
00:29:33.87\00:29:36.40
about half of church members
00:29:36.81\00:29:39.87
are in Africa. Um-hmm.
00:29:40.08\00:29:41.41
OK. Yeah... and when
you go down in Africa
00:29:41.44\00:29:44.45
then you find a
lot of those members
00:29:44.65\00:29:46.72
are in
English-speaking countries. OK.
00:29:46.92\00:29:49.68
So the work is not
really progressing fast
00:29:50.09\00:29:53.15
as it is in English-
speaking countries. Gotcha.
00:29:53.36\00:29:56.02
And so Train Them 2 Fish...
let me give you an example.
00:29:56.22\00:29:59.43
One of the countries - a French-
speaking country in the Congo -
00:29:59.63\00:30:01.90
in Africa - is
called Congo-Brazzaville.
00:30:02.10\00:30:04.70
So that country is
a neighboring country
00:30:04.90\00:30:07.80
to Congo
Kinshasa where I am. OK.
00:30:08.00\00:30:09.84
But Congo-Brazzaville
has only three pastors
00:30:10.04\00:30:12.87
for the whole country.
00:30:13.14\00:30:14.48
Three Adventist pastors? Three.
00:30:14.54\00:30:17.05
For the whole
country? I'm serious.
00:30:17.25\00:30:19.01
Only three. Is it a
French-speaking country? Yes.
00:30:19.21\00:30:21.35
And we say... What kind of
population are we talking about?
00:30:23.25\00:30:25.99
Six million. Three
pastors for six million! Um-hmm.
00:30:26.19\00:30:28.96
They're across the Congo
river. The Congo river separates
00:30:29.16\00:30:32.56
Congo-Brazzaville
from DRC also. OK.
00:30:32.76\00:30:35.30
Yeah... OK. In
Kinshasa where I am based
00:30:35.50\00:30:39.03
the capital city
of Kinshasa of Congo
00:30:39.27\00:30:41.37
that's the largest French-
speaking city in the world
00:30:41.77\00:30:45.24
with 17 million people - OK
- but very very few Adventists.
00:30:45.44\00:30:51.11
OK. And some people...
they have never heard about
00:30:51.31\00:30:54.78
the three
angels' messages. Um-hmm.
00:30:54.98\00:30:56.89
And we decided that
we need to fill the gap.
00:30:57.09\00:30:59.25
Yes. Train Them 2
Fish needs to fill the gap
00:30:59.45\00:31:01.69
with trained
missionaries. To send them out
00:31:01.89\00:31:05.26
to both countries. OK.
00:31:05.46\00:31:07.83
That's why we have a focus on
the 29 French-speaking countries
00:31:08.03\00:31:11.70
of Africa. Praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord! I like that.
00:31:11.90\00:31:13.57
Ellen White says leaves:
"Like the leaves of Autumn. "
00:31:13.77\00:31:16.71
Like the leaves of
Autumn... That's right.
00:31:16.91\00:31:18.97
I know we've got
some powerful testimonies.
00:31:19.17\00:31:20.88
I want to make sure we
have enough time for those.
00:31:21.04\00:31:22.61
But a couple other
questions I want to ask you:
00:31:22.81\00:31:24.75
how long have you been
serving these countries?
00:31:24.95\00:31:27.08
And how many countries
have you reached so far?
00:31:27.28\00:31:29.18
We've been serving...
00:31:30.09\00:31:31.85
Before we started as Share Him,
00:31:32.05\00:31:34.86
part of Share Him, but now
00:31:35.06\00:31:36.46
as Train Them 2 Fish we do
00:31:36.66\00:31:38.29
evangelism in
different countries
00:31:38.49\00:31:39.93
as part of
Train Them 2 Fish now.
00:31:40.13\00:31:41.56
I took a group to
Tanzania this year
00:31:41.76\00:31:44.00
and I was working the
Masai area. It was very good;
00:31:44.20\00:31:47.34
nice people. The
Lord allowed us to baptize
00:31:47.70\00:31:51.07
the whole group. We had 20
people and 20 different sites
00:31:51.27\00:31:54.74
where evangelism
was being done. OK.
00:31:54.94\00:31:56.44
And the Lord blessed us
with 490 that got baptized.
00:31:56.64\00:32:00.25
Praise God! Now is that
French-speaking, though?
00:32:00.45\00:32:03.79
No... Tanzania
is Swahili. Right.
00:32:03.99\00:32:05.52
But the amazing
thing with Tanzania is that
00:32:05.72\00:32:08.59
even though there are
different tribes in Tanzania
00:32:08.79\00:32:11.79
all of them speak
the same language.
00:32:11.99\00:32:13.76
OK. But they never
have any problem tribally.
00:32:13.96\00:32:16.63
OK. Like in some countries
if there are different tribes
00:32:16.83\00:32:19.40
you know they have problems.
I don't want to name another
00:32:19.60\00:32:22.07
country where I was and we
had problems with it. Right.
00:32:22.27\00:32:24.57
But in Tanzania all the
different tribes work together.
00:32:24.77\00:32:27.81
OK. No problems. So
your ministry reaches out
00:32:28.11\00:32:30.51
to some of the other countries?
Even non-French-speaking
00:32:30.71\00:32:33.52
countries? Yeah. OK.
00:32:33.72\00:32:35.05
So we are planning to
go... Next year we are going to
00:32:35.08\00:32:37.15
back to Congo for
ten-year celebration.
00:32:37.35\00:32:40.66
And after Congo, we have
been called to go to Uganda.
00:32:40.86\00:32:44.66
OK. So 2023 in the Congo;
00:32:44.86\00:32:47.93
2024 is Uganda. OK.
00:32:48.13\00:32:51.33
So that's where our
next step is going to be.
00:32:51.53\00:32:53.74
Congo, of course,
you said ten years.
00:32:53.94\00:32:55.27
So you've been
there 10 years? Yes.
00:32:55.40\00:32:57.01
Yeah. Meaning that our focus
is French-speaking countries.
00:32:57.21\00:33:00.64
But people who have
been seeing our work say:
00:33:00.84\00:33:03.51
"Oh! You guys don't forget us.
00:33:03.71\00:33:05.05
You can give us a favor! "
00:33:05.08\00:33:08.52
That's why sometimes
we go there to give them.
00:33:08.72\00:33:11.35
But our focus is in the French-
speaking countries. Gotcha.
00:33:11.55\00:33:14.49
And we have been serving
them for nine years now. Yes.
00:33:14.69\00:33:18.56
And next year we are going to
celebrate 10 years of ministry.
00:33:18.76\00:33:22.13
As you say, how many
French-speaking countries?
00:33:22.33\00:33:25.67
So we have been to the Congo
Kinshasa, Congo Democratic.
00:33:25.87\00:33:29.10
and we went to train
people in Congo Brazzaville.
00:33:29.30\00:33:32.17
And we have been to
Gabon and we have been to Chad.
00:33:32.37\00:33:36.54
We are setting up our
registration in Central Africa
00:33:36.81\00:33:40.42
and we have been to
Burkina Faso with a team.
00:33:40.62\00:33:44.65
And we have been to Benin.
Actually we are planning to run
00:33:44.92\00:33:48.42
a two-week
training program in Benin.
00:33:48.62\00:33:51.36
So probably seven countries
00:33:51.56\00:33:54.03
in collaboration with AWR.
00:33:54.23\00:33:57.97
We have been able to establish
radio stations in Congo Kinshasa
00:33:58.17\00:34:01.84
and Togo as well.
00:34:02.04\00:34:04.21
We have been able to establish
a radio station in Gabon
00:34:04.41\00:34:07.04
and in Chad. We are
now planning to have
00:34:07.24\00:34:09.78
another one in Central Africa
Republic... five countries.
00:34:09.98\00:34:12.78
Yeah. OK...
Adventist World Radio.
00:34:12.98\00:34:15.28
That's what AWR is...
yes. Yeah, praise the Lord.
00:34:15.48\00:34:18.49
So you're working in all
of these different countries
00:34:18.69\00:34:20.89
but your base is? The
base is Congo Kinshasa.
00:34:21.09\00:34:25.83
That's where you work out
of to get to these areas? Yeah.
00:34:26.03\00:34:28.96
Besides our
headquarters in America
00:34:29.16\00:34:31.17
DRC is our base. OK.
00:34:31.37\00:34:33.60
So what is the main project that
you're focusing on right now?
00:34:33.80\00:34:38.61
What is your priority right now?
00:34:38.81\00:34:41.28
Well our priority now is to
see the School of Evangelism
00:34:42.21\00:34:46.92
get well established. OK.
00:34:47.12\00:34:49.32
We... Tell us a little bit about
that: the School of Evangelism.
00:34:49.52\00:34:52.49
So in Kinshasa, the
capitol city, we have property
00:34:52.69\00:34:58.23
and we are developing a
School of Evangelism there.
00:34:58.43\00:35:01.16
Three hours... three
hours out of the city. OK.
00:35:01.36\00:35:03.83
So we have some
buildings already there
00:35:04.03\00:35:06.70
and we are
expanding the training program
00:35:06.90\00:35:09.80
and we are raising funds.
Actually we have a matching fund
00:35:10.01\00:35:14.11
of $40,000 US
dollars being raised - OK -
00:35:14.31\00:35:16.91
to be matched dollar for dollar
00:35:17.11\00:35:19.25
so that we may
complete a guest house - yeah -
00:35:19.45\00:35:22.88
we may complete a cafeteria
00:35:23.08\00:35:24.79
and we may put water and
put electricity on the campus.
00:35:24.99\00:35:30.73
We are going to start a major
training program in January.
00:35:31.09\00:35:34.66
So if people are willing to
sponsor that kind of project
00:35:34.86\00:35:38.53
they can go on our website
to do the matching. Yeah.
00:35:38.73\00:35:42.34
We really want to
start a solar project
00:35:42.70\00:35:46.24
because we know with a generator
it costs money with gas.
00:35:46.47\00:35:49.24
But if we have solar energy
00:35:49.51\00:35:51.11
running the whole system - OK -
00:35:51.31\00:35:53.01
it will save us a lot of money
00:35:53.21\00:35:54.88
and be good
news in the long run.
00:35:55.08\00:35:56.62
OK. We're going to
put some information up
00:35:56.82\00:35:58.92
in a little bit here to
tell people, our viewers
00:35:59.12\00:36:01.82
how they can contact you; how
they can support your ministry;
00:36:02.02\00:36:05.16
where they can give donations
to as far as supporting this
00:36:05.36\00:36:08.23
School of Evangleism & the other
projects that you're doing.
00:36:08.43\00:36:11.13
Especially you know this
is going to be the very first
00:36:11.33\00:36:14.70
School of Evangelism in the
Francophone countries of Africa.
00:36:14.90\00:36:17.94
French-speaking countries. It's
going to be the very first one.
00:36:18.14\00:36:20.38
And so if you have
people coming in...
00:36:20.58\00:36:22.31
Let's just say you
have a guest coming in
00:36:22.51\00:36:24.01
to do some training.
Maybe they're going to be there
00:36:24.21\00:36:26.38
for a week... whatever.
They would be translated?
00:36:26.58\00:36:28.85
You're reaching the
French- speaking people and they
00:36:29.05\00:36:30.75
would be translated into
French as they're sharing there.
00:36:30.95\00:36:33.29
Yeah. If you can come as
a trainer speaking English,
00:36:33.49\00:36:37.59
we have good people on
the ground to translate
00:36:37.79\00:36:39.76
everything. OK. We can
use you as a guest trainer.
00:36:39.96\00:36:42.96
So my question is:
Can anyone attend this
00:36:43.16\00:36:46.10
School of Evangelism?
Is it for any person?
00:36:46.30\00:36:49.10
Or what is the criteria?
What do you have to have
00:36:49.30\00:36:52.54
to qualify for this school?
00:36:52.74\00:36:54.18
To qualify for the
school is just to feel the call
00:36:54.38\00:36:58.31
from the Lord.
Anyone can attend.
00:36:58.51\00:37:00.12
OK. So even new believers.
00:37:00.32\00:37:03.59
We can still train them
to give them basic doctrinal
00:37:03.79\00:37:06.72
courses and also
everyone can attend.
00:37:06.92\00:37:10.89
Even ordained
pastors... they can still come.
00:37:11.09\00:37:14.33
I love that. So you're
going to have different classes
00:37:14.53\00:37:16.36
for different levels of people
00:37:16.56\00:37:17.90
but the one criteria is
00:37:17.97\00:37:19.53
that they have a desire
to do ministry for God. Yes.
00:37:19.73\00:37:23.64
I love that! OK. All right.
So do you have other ministries,
00:37:23.84\00:37:26.78
other organizations or
friends working with you
00:37:26.98\00:37:30.35
to accomplish...
Are you guys solo?
00:37:30.55\00:37:32.48
Or are other ministries that
are actually working with you?
00:37:32.68\00:37:34.32
We can remember what's that.
00:37:35.08\00:37:36.62
We need to have other
organizations joining us because
00:37:36.82\00:37:40.86
this is not a
selfish ministry. Right.
00:37:41.02\00:37:43.76
It's a ministry to
reach the world - Amen -
00:37:43.96\00:37:45.96
and we cannot be by ourselves.
Jesus had a lot of helpers.
00:37:46.16\00:37:48.46
OK. Even while He was working
00:37:48.66\00:37:50.00
the Bible says even the
ladies were donating money
00:37:50.17\00:37:52.93
to help in the
ministry. That's right.
00:37:53.13\00:37:54.47
So we have to depend on
the same thing also. OK.
00:37:54.67\00:37:57.01
So you know we are a supporting
ministry of the SDA church.
00:37:57.21\00:38:02.34
Amen... Amen. And we
belong to the family of ASI.
00:38:02.54\00:38:06.21
And we also belong to the um-
brella of Outpost Centers Intl.
00:38:06.51\00:38:11.05
OTI... so that's our family.
00:38:11.25\00:38:13.69
And so we have been going
to ASI for a number of years
00:38:13.89\00:38:19.06
and ASI provided some funds
00:38:19.26\00:38:20.86
to build the first 2 buildings.
We received the money from them.
00:38:21.06\00:38:24.93
And then we as a ministry
born out of the Carolinas -
00:38:25.13\00:38:28.60
the Carolina Conference
- has been a great support
00:38:28.80\00:38:32.21
to our ministry for a long time.
00:38:32.41\00:38:33.98
That was through Share
Him, right? Yeah, Share Him.
00:38:34.18\00:38:37.55
Yeah, and the Carolina Conf.
provided the first donation
00:38:37.75\00:38:41.08
for us to buy
the land - really? -
00:38:41.55\00:38:44.55
where we are
building the school. OK... OK.
00:38:44.75\00:38:46.65
So OCI is part of our
supporting ministries.
00:38:46.86\00:38:49.72
Actually LightBearers Ministry
has been sending containers
00:38:49.92\00:38:53.93
containers to us, and we
have a collaboration kind of
00:38:54.13\00:38:58.17
partnership with
LightBearers. OK!
00:38:58.37\00:39:00.17
Bibles and study guides.
00:39:00.37\00:39:04.47
So we belong to
that variety of family
00:39:04.67\00:39:07.48
partnering with a lot of people.
00:39:07.64\00:39:10.38
And recently I was at the
ASI meeting and the convention.
00:39:10.58\00:39:14.98
And Elder Wilson was there
and commented: "We need this
00:39:15.18\00:39:18.05
kind of ministry to go ahead. "
00:39:18.25\00:39:20.36
And you even get a
little support from your local
00:39:20.56\00:39:22.82
government, right? Exactly!
00:39:23.02\00:39:24.36
"Take these
vans... take these vans. "
00:39:24.56\00:39:26.36
It's amazing how God
will work on the heart even of
00:39:26.56\00:39:30.13
govt. officials. You know
when Ellen White was alive
00:39:30.33\00:39:33.57
Solusi received a donation
of land to start a school there.
00:39:33.77\00:39:38.81
Adventist history. Yes... yes.
00:39:39.04\00:39:40.48
It was 1895... yeah.
00:39:40.68\00:39:42.21
And some of our brethren
were concerned about that.
00:39:42.41\00:39:44.78
You know A. T. Jones
was concerned about that.
00:39:44.98\00:39:46.35
Five thousand acres of
land. And now it's a university.
00:39:46.75\00:39:50.09
Now they have
20,000 acres of land!
00:39:50.29\00:39:51.72
OK. When I was
there they bought a lake
00:39:51.92\00:39:54.62
and the ASI President
asked him: "How big; how far is
00:39:54.82\00:39:58.49
the property? " He said:
"As far as the horizon! " Whoa!
00:39:58.69\00:40:01.26
That's how big the
property is! Praise God!
00:40:01.46\00:40:03.23
And so God uses... God works
on the hearts of governments.
00:40:03.43\00:40:07.64
We see that in the Bible.We
see that in the book of Daniel
00:40:07.80\00:40:09.50
and other places to
help support the ministry.
00:40:09.70\00:40:12.34
So I have a question. You
know I've been familiar with
00:40:12.54\00:40:15.34
the work in the Congo.
I was part of LightBearers
00:40:15.54\00:40:17.95
for many many
years. And about 2020
00:40:18.15\00:40:21.28
is the last time I was really
involved in the ministry there
00:40:21.48\00:40:24.52
and what they're
doing in getting Bibles out.
00:40:24.72\00:40:27.52
And the last I heard
Congo was a difficult place
00:40:27.72\00:40:31.09
to get the
containers in, you know.
00:40:31.29\00:40:32.79
What is the
political atmosphere there now?
00:40:32.99\00:40:35.03
I mean, how are things
00:40:35.23\00:40:37.67
as far as the work
goes and getting things in?
00:40:37.87\00:40:39.67
Explain a little bit about that.
00:40:39.87\00:40:41.20
When I was in Goma
the rebels were there.
00:40:41.24\00:40:44.97
And the mayor of the
country, of Goma, invited us
00:40:45.17\00:40:49.48
to have time with him.
And we spoke and he said
00:40:49.68\00:40:54.02
"Congo is not
that bad, you know. "
00:40:54.22\00:40:56.02
But at that time there
were about twelve different...
00:40:56.22\00:40:59.05
five major rebel companies
00:40:59.25\00:41:02.12
and there were about 12 dif-
ferent rebels causing problems.
00:41:02.32\00:41:05.03
He said: "But now it's
not as bad as it used to be. "
00:41:05.23\00:41:08.53
Right, Pastor? You
know when people read about
00:41:08.73\00:41:10.90
Congo that's all they
think that Congo means war.
00:41:11.10\00:41:14.24
Yeah! Congo is a BIG country.
00:41:14.44\00:41:16.87
OK. Let me give you an
example. When you go maybe
00:41:17.07\00:41:19.91
to Chicago people may say:
"Chicago is a villous place. "
00:41:20.11\00:41:23.55
OK. But Chicago
does not mean the US.
00:41:23.75\00:41:26.51
Right. So just a
small part of the Congo
00:41:26.72\00:41:31.52
where there's
war isn't the Congo.
00:41:31.72\00:41:33.92
So the country is big...
twenty-six provinces. OK.
00:41:34.12\00:41:37.73
And out of the 26 only
four of them are in war.
00:41:37.93\00:41:41.66
So the rest of the 22
of them are in peaceful
00:41:41.86\00:41:44.70
conditions. Ah... OK!
00:41:44.90\00:41:46.23
So that's the Congo...
the picture of Congo. OK.
00:41:46.27\00:41:47.90
And now where we are
based in Kinshasa it is stable.
00:41:48.10\00:41:51.57
OK. And sending
containers to the Congo
00:41:51.77\00:41:54.71
we have an exemption
from the government - OK -
00:41:54.91\00:41:57.21
that we can ship
containers all the time.
00:41:57.41\00:41:59.28
And we have a partnership
with the Embassy of Congo
00:41:59.48\00:42:03.65
in Washington, D.C.
Everybody willing to go
00:42:03.85\00:42:07.06
we can receive a
Visa without any problems
00:42:07.26\00:42:12.93
and we can get our people to the
country without any problems.
00:42:13.13\00:42:16.16
That is really good to know!
00:42:16.36\00:42:17.90
That's really
good to know. OK, well
00:42:18.10\00:42:19.43
do you have some testimonies
you want to share with us about
00:42:19.47\00:42:21.40
personal experiences? Things
that have been happening there?
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Yeah, I can share 2 of
the testimonies even though we
00:42:24.67\00:42:27.18
have LOTS to share. Um-hmm.
00:42:27.38\00:42:29.38
One of them is about a
man. A man... he was sick,
00:42:29.58\00:42:33.78
EXTREMELY sick,
and he needed surgery.
00:42:33.98\00:42:37.75
The family didn't have money
to send him to the hospital.
00:42:37.95\00:42:41.12
And they came together
as a family to discuss how
00:42:41.32\00:42:44.89
to save the life
of their brother.
00:42:45.09\00:42:46.90
OK. And they decided they will
sell a part of their property
00:42:47.10\00:42:50.40
of the lot - OK - to
get money from the sale
00:42:50.60\00:42:52.93
to send him to the
hospital for the surgery.
00:42:53.13\00:42:55.80
And one of our Bible
workers was around there
00:42:56.00\00:42:59.11
and he saw them. And
he went to talk to them
00:42:59.31\00:43:01.98
and said: "Why are you
sad? " They said: "We need to
00:43:02.18\00:43:03.98
save the life of our
brother but we don't have money.
00:43:04.18\00:43:06.92
We want to sell our
property to get money. "
00:43:07.12\00:43:09.95
And he told them:
"Don't sell your property.
00:43:10.15\00:43:11.85
I want to talk to my
team. We have medical doctors.
00:43:12.05\00:43:15.26
We have been doing
surgery for FREE! " Yes.
00:43:15.46\00:43:17.53
And he called our office and
one of the doctors went there.
00:43:17.69\00:43:21.26
He said: "No problem...
we can save his life. "
00:43:21.46\00:43:23.37
"We can do the
surgery for free. "
00:43:23.57\00:43:25.13
And the doctor called me
and I went there with my car.
00:43:25.53\00:43:29.40
We took the man to the hospital
and he had FREE surgery.
00:43:29.60\00:43:32.57
Praise God! After one week
00:43:32.77\00:43:35.21
he was released
from the hospital.
00:43:35.41\00:43:36.85
And I went back again. I
took him from the hospital
00:43:37.05\00:43:39.35
back home, and
when we reached the home
00:43:39.55\00:43:42.32
the family said: "Pastor,
how much money do we owe you? "
00:43:42.52\00:43:45.55
I said: 'Nothing!
00:43:45.75\00:43:47.09
You just praise the Lord
because this is the love of God
00:43:47.29\00:43:50.53
that we share with you.
" Um-hmm. And the guy said:
00:43:50.73\00:43:53.09
"Well, if we are not giving
you any money listen Pastor:
00:43:53.29\00:43:57.50
you see that
property beside there?
00:43:57.70\00:43:59.80
It was already
decided to be sold.
00:44:00.00\00:44:02.34
So we are not selling
it because I am good. Well,
00:44:02.54\00:44:05.94
I want to give it to
the Lord. " Um-hmm. Wow!
00:44:06.14\00:44:08.14
"I want you to come
and build a church there
00:44:08.34\00:44:10.35
and I want that God for saving
my life to be my neighbor. "
00:44:10.55\00:44:13.82
I love that! "So He
will be my neighbor. "
00:44:14.18\00:44:17.79
And he went around the community
telling people about God
00:44:17.99\00:44:21.22
and we have raised a
small church there. OK.
00:44:21.42\00:44:23.86
That church is
called The House of the Lord
00:44:24.06\00:44:26.33
and God is the
neighbor of that family. Wow!
00:44:26.53\00:44:28.76
He is going around saying:
"Don't misunderstand about
00:44:28.96\00:44:32.23
this house here. This is
the house of my neighbor. "
00:44:32.43\00:44:34.97
So God's neighbor. Wow!
That way you get Maranatha
00:44:35.17\00:44:38.44
in there, huh? and
build a little one-day church?
00:44:38.64\00:44:41.04
I spoke with Maranatha
before to get us some churches
00:44:41.24\00:44:44.25
down there. And I said:
"I have a donor from Oakwood
00:44:44.45\00:44:47.22
that wanted to buy
one church" and they said
00:44:47.42\00:44:49.35
they don't send one church.
00:44:49.55\00:44:51.09
You have to send
containers of churches
00:44:51.29\00:44:53.52
because it costs a lot
of money in order to do it.
00:44:53.72\00:44:55.49
You cannot get
one. But we have people
00:44:55.69\00:44:58.26
who are there who are so
anxious to have their churches
00:44:58.46\00:45:01.50
that they build it themselves.
00:45:01.70\00:45:03.03
Yeah. And what's a
container of churches?
00:45:03.06\00:45:04.90
How many churches is
that? Is it 100 churches?
00:45:05.10\00:45:07.14
Fifty churches? Twenty churches?
00:45:07.34\00:45:08.74
It's a big container
00:45:08.94\00:45:10.27
and it costs a lot of
money because $1,500 per church.
00:45:10.31\00:45:13.01
OK. And if you do a container,
00:45:13.21\00:45:15.31
it costs a lot of money to ship
it down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:15.51\00:45:17.75
OK. We don't have the donors.
We need a donor to help us
00:45:17.95\00:45:21.08
get about 15-20 churches - yes -
00:45:21.28\00:45:23.72
to get down there in one
shipment. One container? Yeah.
00:45:23.92\00:45:26.92
That way they can
build it themselves
00:45:27.32\00:45:31.23
or Maranatha can come down there
00:45:31.43\00:45:32.83
and do it as a
project. Right... right.
00:45:33.03\00:45:34.83
We need to pray about that
'cause that would be a good
00:45:35.03\00:45:36.80
thing to do. Yes. So
Pastor James, you know
00:45:37.00\00:45:39.07
a lot of people are dying
in the Congo with what we call
00:45:39.27\00:45:42.17
avoidable death.
OK... avoidable death.
00:45:42.37\00:45:45.87
Yes. A lot are
dying of avoidable deaths.
00:45:46.07\00:45:48.34
Like God's neighbor. OK. If
we didn't go there he would die.
00:45:48.54\00:45:52.38
So many people are dying.
That's why we need some people
00:45:52.58\00:45:54.98
to support our ministry. OK.
00:45:55.18\00:45:56.99
To go and reach people
so that they may avoid death
00:45:57.19\00:46:00.26
and to know about
the love of God. Um-hmm.
00:46:00.46\00:46:02.49
So another testimony is
about a man called Elias.
00:46:02.69\00:46:05.89
OK. The man
was... he is a chief -
00:46:06.09\00:46:10.33
traditional chief - OK - of a
big space and a lot of villages
00:46:10.53\00:46:15.84
together and
everybody was afraid of him.
00:46:16.04\00:46:18.77
They cannot go to see
him; they cannot talk to him.
00:46:18.97\00:46:21.18
Nobody can argue with him.
00:46:21.38\00:46:22.94
OK. They were afraid
and they called him Belial.
00:46:23.14\00:46:25.68
Hmm. And he was a big chief
00:46:25.88\00:46:28.88
and people would: "No, you
cannot catch up with him. "
00:46:29.92\00:46:31.85
Even governors...
they were afraid of him.
00:46:32.05\00:46:33.99
But one day he
got sick... VERY sick.
00:46:34.19\00:46:37.49
And even though he was
sick people were afraid to go
00:46:37.69\00:46:40.00
and to see him. OK.
00:46:40.20\00:46:41.96
And one of our Bible workers...
Like Nebuchadnezzar? Yeah.
00:46:42.16\00:46:44.47
One of our Bible
workers said: "OK, I want to go
00:46:44.67\00:46:47.54
and see that man. "
And he prayed and said:
00:46:47.74\00:46:49.77
"God, they call him the lion
00:46:49.97\00:46:51.74
but I don't believe that
because the true Lion is Jesus
00:46:51.94\00:46:54.74
and I want to go and talk to
him about the Lion of Judah. "
00:46:54.94\00:46:58.08
And he prayed. He
went to see that man.
00:46:58.28\00:47:00.38
When he got there
and he looked at the door
00:47:00.58\00:47:02.98
they opened the door and
he went through and they said:
00:47:03.18\00:47:05.85
"Why are people afraid of him? "
00:47:06.05\00:47:08.52
He said: "My friend,
I was praying on my bed
00:47:08.92\00:47:12.69
because I'm about to die.
00:47:12.89\00:47:14.26
I was asking God to
send somebody to pray for me.
00:47:14.46\00:47:17.57
I think you are the one. "
He said: "Exactly! I am the one.
00:47:17.77\00:47:21.40
I am coming here to pray for
you and tell you about the Lion
00:47:21.60\00:47:24.67
of Judah because
they call you the lion. "
00:47:24.87\00:47:26.37
And he said: "OK, ask the
Lion of Judah to save my life.
00:47:26.57\00:47:29.64
I am sick.
00:47:29.94\00:47:31.31
I have spent a lot of money
to the hospital but I am still
00:47:31.51\00:47:34.45
sick. I fear I may die! "
00:47:34.65\00:47:36.38
And the Bible worker told
him: "You are not going to die.
00:47:36.58\00:47:39.55
If you believe in Jesus Christ,
He will save your life. "
00:47:39.75\00:47:42.62
And the man
accepted Jesus Christ.
00:47:42.82\00:47:44.86
They prayed together and
after one week he was healed.
00:47:45.06\00:47:48.90
Wow! And when he was healed
he came back to us and he said:
00:47:49.10\00:47:52.53
"I want to be baptized.
00:47:52.73\00:47:54.30
And you are to
baptize me just like this.
00:47:54.50\00:47:57.37
I want after my
baptism to go around the city
00:47:57.57\00:48:00.51
to make announcements to people
I've been baptized. " Amen.
00:48:00.71\00:48:04.08
And he did it! Praise God!
00:48:04.28\00:48:06.41
He went all around and
he announced that: "I am now
00:48:06.61\00:48:09.48
a free man. I have met
with the Lion of Judah.
00:48:09.68\00:48:11.89
I am not a lion any
more! " That's right.
00:48:12.09\00:48:14.29
And he came and
now after two years
00:48:14.49\00:48:17.39
he became a deacon of
the church. Praise God!
00:48:17.59\00:48:19.73
And when he was
serving people another chief
00:48:19.93\00:48:22.86
who was under him came.
He was invited to the church
00:48:23.06\00:48:26.23
and when he came to the church
00:48:26.43\00:48:27.77
he saw the lion on the
door and he said: "I cannot go
00:48:27.90\00:48:31.11
to the church of the lion.
" He said: "Don't be afraid.
00:48:31.31\00:48:32.97
Come, come,
come... I know you. "
00:48:33.17\00:48:35.21
And he shakes the hand
00:48:35.41\00:48:37.05
and invited him into the church
00:48:37.25\00:48:39.38
and he gave him a seat.
He said: "You sit here. "
00:48:39.58\00:48:42.05
He was afraid. Now the
guy was afraid in the church
00:48:42.42\00:48:45.79
because the lion was there.
00:48:45.99\00:48:47.32
After the church he came
to me. Said: "What happened
00:48:47.36\00:48:49.09
to that man? He's a lion
00:48:49.29\00:48:50.89
and that's my first
time to shake his hand
00:48:51.09\00:48:53.76
and he gave me a
seat when I came in. "
00:48:53.96\00:48:57.27
"He's a servant of the Lord;
he's not a lion any more. "
00:48:57.47\00:48:59.93
He's a different
lion. He said: "OK,
00:49:00.14\00:49:02.04
if Jesus did that
to the lion who am I? "
00:49:02.24\00:49:06.01
So he decided to
give his life to the Lord
00:49:06.21\00:49:08.31
and now that second man
went back to the village.
00:49:08.51\00:49:12.48
We gave him a number
of Bible guides. Yes.
00:49:12.68\00:49:15.48
Went to the village
distributing Bible study guides.
00:49:15.68\00:49:18.52
Guess what? After three weeks
00:49:18.72\00:49:23.59
he came back to
us. He said: "Listen,
00:49:23.79\00:49:26.09
I have 150 people who
are ready to be baptized. "
00:49:26.29\00:49:30.43
Praise God! It's a miracle.
00:49:30.63\00:49:32.90
The Spirit of the
Lord is working. Amazing!
00:49:33.10\00:49:35.17
The Spirit of
the Lord is working.
00:49:35.37\00:49:36.71
When Jesus aligns with
people that's what happens.
00:49:36.77\00:49:40.18
So we need people to
support our ministry out there
00:49:40.38\00:49:43.38
to reach those people.
People are afraid of them
00:49:43.58\00:49:47.72
but Jesus can
transform their lives.
00:49:47.92\00:49:49.58
I love this. These
are powerful testimonies.
00:49:49.78\00:49:51.52
We need to encourage our
viewers to be able to support
00:49:51.72\00:49:54.22
your ministry. We're
going to put up something that
00:49:54.42\00:49:56.02
will help them to contact you
to support what you're doing.
00:49:56.22\00:49:59.59
Maybe there are viewers
who are in the medical field.
00:49:59.79\00:50:02.43
Maybe they're nurses;
maybe they're doctors;
00:50:02.63\00:50:04.80
maybe they're dentists.
Are these the kind of people
00:50:05.00\00:50:07.04
that could actually travel there
00:50:07.24\00:50:09.10
maybe for a couple of
weeks? Maybe for a longer time.
00:50:09.30\00:50:12.67
Yeah. Maybe even as missionaries
00:50:12.87\00:50:14.71
and work with
you? Is that possible?
00:50:14.91\00:50:16.41
Is that something
that you're accepting?
00:50:16.61\00:50:17.95
This is possible.
Actually we are organizing
00:50:18.05\00:50:20.72
a mission trip. If you
put our website on the screen
00:50:20.92\00:50:23.72
people will see it
and go to the website.
00:50:23.92\00:50:25.79
And those who are willing to go
00:50:25.99\00:50:27.99
with us on a mission trip can
00:50:28.19\00:50:29.79
join us. They can send a TEXT
00:50:29.99\00:50:31.89
or e-mail us. OK.
00:50:32.09\00:50:33.43
Whatever the capabilities are
00:50:33.83\00:50:38.27
of our viewers...
maybe it's for a short time,
00:50:38.47\00:50:40.30
maybe it's for long
term. Whatever it is
00:50:40.50\00:50:42.04
they can contact you
through this website. Yes.
00:50:42.24\00:50:45.47
I'm going to put that website
up again and again and again
00:50:45.67\00:50:47.94
because I want to
encourage our viewers
00:50:48.14\00:50:49.51
you really need to get
ahold of this ministry.
00:50:49.71\00:50:52.15
This ministry: God is using it.
00:50:52.35\00:50:54.48
You've heard the testimonies
00:50:54.68\00:50:56.05
how they've given free medical
care to people who were sick
00:50:56.45\00:51:00.29
and dying and also how they
00:51:00.49\00:51:02.96
pray for people
who are sick and dying
00:51:03.16\00:51:04.49
and those people have recovered.
00:51:04.69\00:51:06.16
That God has
blessed them and healed them
00:51:06.36\00:51:08.03
and now they're
having an impact on others.
00:51:08.23\00:51:10.60
Amen! And hundreds of people
00:51:10.80\00:51:12.23
are now having Bible studies
00:51:12.43\00:51:13.80
and coming to the
Lord and being baptized.
00:51:14.00\00:51:16.10
So this is a powerful ministry.
00:51:16.30\00:51:17.74
God is working
through this ministry. Yes!
00:51:17.94\00:51:19.27
We're living in the
end of time right now
00:51:19.37\00:51:21.11
and the Holy Spirit is
working in a very powerful way
00:51:21.31\00:51:23.85
to bring people to
Him... to bring people to God.
00:51:24.05\00:51:27.18
To bring people
to an understanding
00:51:27.38\00:51:29.15
of the three angels' messages
00:51:29.35\00:51:30.82
that's going to
go to all the world
00:51:31.02\00:51:32.39
and lighten the earth
with the glory of God.
00:51:32.59\00:51:34.99
And truly God's character,
00:51:35.19\00:51:37.06
God's glory, has come to
00:51:37.26\00:51:40.70
the ministry that you're doing
00:51:40.90\00:51:42.23
with the people
there in the Congo.
00:51:42.26\00:51:43.90
So we want to encourage
you: go ahead and contact this
00:51:44.10\00:51:47.14
ministry. Support this ministry
with your time, with your money,
00:51:47.34\00:51:51.84
in any way that you
can and with your prayers
00:51:52.04\00:51:54.41
because God is going to
bless all the efforts that we
00:51:54.61\00:51:58.88
support to bring the
gospel to all the world.
00:51:59.08\00:52:01.48
We'll be right back
after this short break
00:52:01.68\00:52:03.42
so don't go away.
00:52:03.62\00:52:04.95