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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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¤ I want to spend
my life removing pain ¤
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¤ Lord let my words
heal a heart that hurts ¤
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¤ I want to spend my
life mending broken people ¤
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Hello friends. Welcome to 3ABN
Today. I'm so thankful that you
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are joining us at this time
because we have a special hour
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of testimony. (Ryan Day) I know
we have a lot of testimonies
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on 3ABN but I have to say
spending time here with the
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the VanOss's, which we will
be hearing of their testimony in
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just a few moments. It has truly
inspired me. It's a wonderful
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testimony. You're not going
to want to go anywhere because
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they're going to be telling
their testimony of how they were
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once a part of the Baptist
church. They were Baptist
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Christians but then the Lord led
them to watch 3ABN and then God
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took them on a journey of truth,
seeking truth, and it changed
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their life. You're not going
to want to go anywhere so gather
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your family around, your friends
everyone in your neighborhood
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your enemies, everyone! Because
you're going to want to hear
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this story. Before we jump right
into the testimony and we also
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introduce our guests today we
do have a special musical number
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that's going to be brought to
us by my brother Mr. Layke Jones
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and he's going to be singing for
us the beautiful song, There's
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Something About That Name.
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¤ ¤
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¤ Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, There's
just something about that name ¤
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¤ Master, Savior, Jesus, Like
the fragrance after the rain ¤
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¤ Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, let
both heaven and earth proclaim ¤
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¤ Kings and
kingdoms will all pass away ¤
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¤ But there's something about ¤
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¤ You were the
word at the beginning ¤
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¤ One with God
the Lord Most High ¤
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¤ Your hidden glory in creation
now revealed in you our Christ ¤
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¤ What a beautiful name it
is What a beautiful name it is ¤
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¤ The name of
Jesus Christ my King ¤
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¤ What a beautiful name it
is Nothing compares to this ¤
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¤ What a beautiful name
it is the name of Jesus ¤
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¤ ¤
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¤ You didn't want
heaven without us ¤
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¤ So Jesus you
brought heaven down ¤
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¤ My sin was great
Your love was greater ¤
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¤ What could separate us now ¤
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¤ What a wonderful name it
is What a wonderful name it is ¤
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¤ The name of
Jesus Christ my King ¤
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¤ What a wonderful name it
is Nothing compares to this ¤
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¤ What a wonderful name
it is The name of Jesus ¤
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¤ Death could not hold
you the veil tore before you ¤
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¤ You silenced the
boast of sin and grave ¤
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¤ The heavens are roaring
the praise of your glory ¤
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¤ For you are
raised to life again ¤
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¤ You have no
rival You have no equal ¤
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¤ Now and
forever God you reign ¤
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¤ Yours is the
kingdom Yours is the glory ¤
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¤ Now and
forever God you reign ¤
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¤ What a powerful name it
is what a powerful name it is ¤
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¤ The name of
Jesus Christ my King ¤
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¤ What a powerful name it
is Nothing compares to this ¤
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¤ What a powerful name
it is the name of Jesus ¤
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¤ Kings and kingdoms,
oh they'll all pass away ¤
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¤ But there's
something about that name ¤
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Oh yes, praise the Lord. I
love that. Layke, man he has an
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incredible voice and of course
my good friend Tim Parton not
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only has an incredible voice but
that brother can play the piano
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Oh I mean, my goodness. The Lord
has blessed him so much. Thank
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you brothers for that beautiful,
beautiful song There's Something
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About That Name and What a
wonderful name of Jesus. I just
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love that music, Manny and
Debbie VanOss from well you tell
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me you're from actually you were
born and raised in other areas
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We're going to talk about that
in just a few moments but you're
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currently living in Oklahoma,
the great state of Oklahoma.
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I actually just did some
evangelistic meetings recently
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in Oklahoma. I'm familiar with
the area. How you guys doing?
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We're doing great,
we're doing wonderful.
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Amen, praise the Lord. So I
was able to read a little bit of
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your story because when we
invite guests to come to 3ABN
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then we just have them to send a
little bit of information to us
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and so you guys gave us like
a kind of juiced version of your
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story in writing it as I was
reading through it I thought wow
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praise the Lord. I can't wait to
hear the fullness of your story
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today. Because the Lord
has indeed taken you guys on a
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journey and so I want to start
with you Manny just for our
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viewers at home you guys are
brand new here. Nobody really
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knows who you are. Tell us a
little bit about who you are,
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what your background is,
where you're from and all that.
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Go ahead.
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Well, to kind of keep it short,
(Manny and Debbie VanOss) the
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backstory a little short I
moved from Cheyenne, Wyoming to
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Oklahoma and I wound up moving
to basically central Oklahoma
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up around El Reno and then
had moved down to around Ratliff
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City and we're pretty close to
there. Our address is actually
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Ratliff City but we live in
County Line because we live on
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the County Line Road and yet
we're still like four miles from
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town, so.
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Yeah, gotcha. And you were
telling me that you remember
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that you were born and raised I
guess or born into the Catholic
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Church. Your family had a
Catholic background but then you
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kind of just broke away and
wasn't really religious for a
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little while or didn't have
necessarily a church that you
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attended. Am I correct?
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Yes. My mother was a devout
Catholic. She went to Catechism
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She was from Germany. My
Dad brought her over when he was
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over there in the service and
brought her back over here when
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was 17 years old, 18 years old.
You know and so when I was born
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I was baptized but didn't know
it. (Laughter) As I got older
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I just kind of fell away from
the faith. Matter of fact, I got
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rebellious you know when I was
really fighting to push things
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away you know and
trying to disconnect myself.
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Right, you just didn't have
an interest in God or spiritual
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things at all. (Yeah) Wow,
that's amazing. And so we'll
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come back in just a moment to
how you would meet Debbie. But
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Debbie, we just want to get a
little bit of your back story,
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where you're from and what
your religious affiliation was
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growing up, all that.
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Well, I was born in Checotah,
Oklahoma and my grandmother was
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a Baptist and every Sunday you
know...I didn't know it was my
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cousin, but my cousin would come
by and pick us up and take us to
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church. But when I was eight,
nine years old we moved to
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Colorado because my dad got a
job for Gido Lingle. And mom was
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a Sunday school teacher so we
still continued to a church for
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a little while. And then my mom
fell away from the church and so
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we did also.
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Sure, sure and that was in the
Baptist church as a young girl?
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(Yes) So for the majority
of your life your religious
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affiliation was in the Baptist
faith. (Yes) Okay so then
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I'm guessing you know
you moved back to Oklahoma.
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Yeah that's what's so strange
is that we were both...my father
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had gotten sick. He had moved
back to Oklahoma and he had
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gotten sick, so I moved back
to Oklahoma to take care of him
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and after we got together found
out that's why he moved from
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(Yeah) That's how I went from
Cheyenne to Oklahoma. My father
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got sick. He was living
in Oklahoma so I wound up in
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Oklahoma.
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Gotcha. All right. So then
you both meet okay obviously you
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dated, you get married, and
then you come to the conclusion
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together at some point, maybe
we should try this church thing
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again. Maybe we should become
a little bit more of a religious
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family because I know you had
mentioned to me you wanted your
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daughter involved in church.
Tell us a little bit about that.
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Yeah well like I said I was just
pretty much doing my own thing
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and one day someone knocked on
the door. And usually, you know
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I'd open the door you know
and (gruffly) What do ya want?
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(Laughter) You know make them
feel like they don't want to be
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here. (Laughter) Let's leave
this house alone you know. But
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anyway one day there was a
knock on the door and I happened
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to answer it and it was at the
time when the Holy Spirit just
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needed me to realize that there
is a God. And it was a preacher
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on the other side, there was
a pastor on the other side, a
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Baptist pastor and I wound
up initially getting baptized...
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well saved that day and then
leading up to a baptism into the
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Baptist church.
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Gotcha. So you both started
attending the Baptist church
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for the majority of your
marriage you've been Baptist and
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but we're curious as to how in
the world you became a Seventh-
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day Adventist because you know
it's not unheard of. I just want
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to make that clear. I know that
many of our viewers who watch
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this program or who watch
3ABN in general, not all of our
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viewers are Seventh-day
Adventist. In fact, a large
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chunk are from other
denominations and so it's not
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unheard of that someone
again comes in contact with this
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powerful message. They take
another look at the gospel that
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they've been reading or studying
and know all of their life but
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yet they see it in a different
light and perhaps maybe it comes
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via 3ABN or whatever you
know study guides or it might be
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Amazing Facts or whatever
ministry but in your case this
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happened when you had had a
series of back surgeries. Tell
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me about it. So talk us through
that. Lead us up to how you came
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in contact with
this Adventist message.
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Before I go there I think
the Lord really wanted me and
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Debbie to be together. Because
like I said, she was in Colorado
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Fort Collins, Colorado, and
moved to Oklahoma and I was in
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Cheyenne, Wyoming, and moved to
Oklahoma. Well Fort Collins and
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Cheyenne are only 14 miles apart
(We never met) And we never met.
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But we met in Oklahoma and we
got married. So just that story
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alone you know is how God can...
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(Yes) Move people and bring
us there for the same reason
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you know.
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Wow. So then obviously it was a
Divine appointment for you guys
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to meet (Yes) because God had
a plan down the road that you
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didn't know about. (That's
right) All right. So then tell
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us how you came into
this truth through 3ABN.
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Yeah, so I wound up getting...
I've had several back surgeries
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and I don't remember which
number this one was but it was
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a pretty serious one. You know
it's called a 360 they basically
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cut you in the front, push
everything aside to get to your
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spine and they put a metal cage
there and then they flip you
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over, cut you in the back and
get to your spine there and put
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basically screws and rods in
your back. You know most people
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think these screws are only
about like this long. They're
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not. They're like that
long. They're like lag screws.
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Yeah. It just hurt, it hurt. Man
it took me a long time to a...
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when I got home I was on the
couch. You know, I couldn't lay
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in bed. I couldn't lay on my
back, couldn't lay on my side,
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couldn't lay on my front so
I wound up on the couch and the
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TV we had previously put on the
wall, all right. So when I'd lay
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on the couch, kick the legs out
and that way I could just sit
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there and (pushing buttons) I'm
telling you I spent many a day
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on that couch because I couldn't
to nowhere and so I'd be
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flipping through the channels.
Well we had previously put up a
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digital antenna so we weren't
paying for TV. I'm kind of like
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that. If I got to pay for
something I won't. I'll make it
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or find the shortest way to that
So anyway usually I was flipping
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through the channels and usually
to get a new channel in you have
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to rescan...
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Right I'm
familiar with that. Yeah.
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So this had been quite a while
I'd say about seven months after
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my surgery but I was still
on the couch. It took me a whole
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year to walk again. But I was
laying on the couch and I was
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flipping through channels and
of course having that much pain
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you're up constantly. You up.
You can't sleep. And you know
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in order to get these little
naps in you know and the pain
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wakes you back up but I was
flipping through the channels
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to find a new station and I did
flip on one channel and usually
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when you flip on a religious
channel usually they're hey send
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me $700 and in seven days you'll
get seven blessings. And you
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know I'm like click. I didn't
even get to the seven days,
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seven blessings. Send 700 bucks.
Well so anyway I was clicking
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and I came across a channel that
I hadn't recognized before. So
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I sat there and looked at it and
it kind of caught my attention.
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You know, like wow, these guys
are...It didn't sound like your
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typical religious channel. They
weren't asking for anything.
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They weren't trying to promise
you anything and they were just
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taking scripture from the Bible
and explaining it to you in
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clear, no shiny object, you know
trying to get your attention.
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Just clear messages. So we had
been asking questions and we had
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been searching. This surgery
had taken us through you know a
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little step back. And you kind
of hurt through them step backs,
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not just financially you
know so you kind of reassess and
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reevaluate your position. What's
going on in your life. So we
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previously had been kind
of searching and you know...
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I wanted to get into that before
we move any further because you
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just found this channel and I
know you're eventually going to
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you know you're waiting for the
morning for your wife to wake up
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so you can tell her about this.
So we'll get to that in just a
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moment. But I have to ask
because this is what fascinates
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me is that you know it's not
unheard of like I said. There's
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been many people who have
converted from one particular
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denomination to the Seventh-day
Adventist denomination. I'm one
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of them, I'm one of them. I
was not raised a Seventh-day
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Adventist. I was raised
primarily in the Pentecostal
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church and I am familiar
with the Baptist faith because I
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spent nearly three years in a
Baptist church studying and you
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know going every Sunday, Sunday
school, Sunday night, Wednesday
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night and so I'm very familiar
with the Baptist faith but if
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you could just the both of you
touch on what was it like, what
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was your experience like in the
Baptist church that ultimately
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led you to do more search.
Because you don't hear this
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often, again it's not unheard of
but you don't hear of it, many
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people are just completely
satisfied in their faith. Well
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I'm a Baptist Christian. My mom
and dad were raised Baptist, my
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grandparents were raised Baptist
and therefore I'm Baptist and
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just how it's going to be.
But it seems like maybe you guys
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were a little uneasy or maybe
just not satisfied so tell us a
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little bit about what it
was like for you as Baptist
00:21:04.59\00:21:06.16
Christians.
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Well the day I remember when
we made our decision about this
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church was every Sunday you
hear one verse and then you hear
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a fishing story, a hunting
story or working or old story
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something (Somehow tying it into
the lifestyle) Anyway, I don't
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remember what it was that he
said but he said the verse and
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then something you know I just
read my Bible as he talked so I
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can go ahead and read. But
he had said something and I look
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up and I look over at my husband
my husband looked at me and then
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we kind of looked around the
church and everybody's in a daze
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and no one has even paid any
attention to what he said. I'm
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going Hm-mmm.
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All eyes were forward
and just like men, you know.
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But what he had
said startled you guys.
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Yeah whatever it was it
shouldn't have been said from
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the pulpit. I don't remember.
I wish I did. But yeah.
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But you remember in that moment
it was like ah something's off.
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Something off. Yeah. And so
we went home and we prayed for
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understanding of the Bible and
that's when all the old stories
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that we heard came you know
out We read about Matthew, John,
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anyway it was
about the Lazarus story.
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Okay, John chapter 11.
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Okay and the disciples you know
He was talking about how Lazarus
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had died and the disciples kept
asking Him questions you know.
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And they're thinking okay
he's taking a nap and He goes no
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Lazarus died and he had been
dead for four days. And it just
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touched my heart to think that
Jesus loved Lazarus so much he
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cried and I'm just going
well how did I miss that story?
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Right, right, absolutely, yeah.
So God was leading you guys.
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What I hear you saying is you
were hungering and thirsting for
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truth. And my friends, that's
normal, that's normal because
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each and every one of us you
know we have to be fed, we have
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to be spiritually fed.
That's why Jesus said in Matthew
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chapter 4 verse 4 He says, Man
shall not live by bread alone
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but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God. We can
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eat our physical food all-day
long but if we're not eating of
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the word of God daily and we're
not being fed we can become
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spiritually malnourished and
it kind of seems like where you
00:23:28.07\00:23:30.41
guys were. You were spiritually
malnourished and just needed to
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be fed. And I just want to say
for the record here again not
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bashing anyone's denomination
or anyone's church because I
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can tell I've met and I know
very many Baptist Christians
00:23:40.58\00:23:43.89
who love the Lord with all
their heart. You can see the
00:23:43.92\00:23:47.36
fruits of the Spirit in their
life and there are great Baptist
00:23:47.39\00:23:50.93
ministers out there that are
teaching the gospel, the truth
00:23:50.96\00:23:54.10
all that they know, all the
light that they know and so but
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in your guys' case, you're
just hungering and thirsting...
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Yeah, I want more.
00:24:01.30\00:24:02.64
Exactly and you just weren't
getting it where you were. And
00:24:02.67\00:24:05.14
so now we go back. Let's go back
to the story. You found this
00:24:05.17\00:24:08.84
channel and you just are just
eating it up all night long.
00:24:08.88\00:24:12.38
Take us to what happens next.
00:24:12.41\00:24:13.75
Yeah, I'm as I'm watching it
you know C.A. Murray Yeah Mm-huh
00:24:13.78\00:24:21.29
Yay, that's right. That's right.
00:24:21.32\00:24:26.26
I love Brother C.A.
00:24:26.29\00:24:27.63
Yeah so, yeah I mean I watched
all night long and you know she
00:24:27.66\00:24:32.37
went to bed in the bedroom and
as I was watching I'm like these
00:24:32.40\00:24:39.87
answers just came so fast that
to the questions we were asking
00:24:39.91\00:24:48.65
about the 10 commandments,
you know death, where do you go,
00:24:48.68\00:24:52.92
what happens? What else? Um.
00:24:52.95\00:24:57.99
I'm sure you saw some stuff
on the rapture, lots of Bible
00:24:58.03\00:25:02.33
prophecy related to the Sabbath.
00:25:02.36\00:25:05.33
Oh yeah, the Sabbath yeah that
was another one. You know all
00:25:05.37\00:25:09.77
these answers were just coming
within like a nine-hour period.
00:25:09.80\00:25:14.44
You were getting like a
fire hydrant, you were getting a
00:25:14.51\00:25:17.95
fire hydrant.
00:25:17.98\00:25:19.31
I couldn't have got any more
if I plugged into the TV myself.
00:25:19.35\00:25:21.62
You know the answers...I was
like a sponge soaking up more
00:25:21.65\00:25:27.72
water than it could take. Anyway
I was so excited. It didn't even
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make me, it didn't even make me
feel my pain anymore. You know
00:25:34.70\00:25:39.33
I was just so engrossed into
the TV. And I was chomping at
00:25:39.37\00:25:44.87
the bit, I mean I was chomping
at the bit waiting for her to
00:25:44.91\00:25:47.48
wake up. You know I was waiting
for that door to hear the
00:25:47.51\00:25:50.48
(creak) and hear the door knob
rattling. You know I went...and
00:25:50.51\00:25:55.65
eventually it did. And I told
her, I said Hon, you got to come
00:25:55.68\00:25:59.69
see these guys. You know
00:25:59.72\00:26:01.06
she came out of the door
(rubbing eyes) and I'm just in
00:26:04.63\00:26:10.27
her (Multiple
voices). Come here. come here
00:26:10.30\00:26:13.60
Like a kid that's just tasted
the best candy (Multiple voices)
00:26:13.64\00:26:16.71
I love it.
00:26:16.74\00:26:18.07
I couldn't wait, I couldn't wait
00:26:18.11\00:26:19.74
So what was your response? He's
coming out of the room hey you
00:26:19.77\00:26:22.68
got to...So what
was your first reaction?
00:26:22.71\00:26:25.05
Well I sat down and I watched
it with him for a little bit
00:26:25.08\00:26:26.88
and I'm going this is everything
that we've been reading. I'm
00:26:26.92\00:26:30.19
going who are these people?
He goes I don't know yet. (3ABN)
00:26:30.22\00:26:33.89
It was 3ABN. I didn't know.
00:26:33.92\00:26:38.16
But the natural question
comes, you know, you got to be
00:26:38.19\00:26:40.96
affiliated with some church,
right. (Yeah) You probably
00:26:41.00\00:26:43.33
wonder what denomination is this
So when you found out that 3ABN
00:26:43.37\00:26:47.00
and obviously the Three Angels'
Broadcasting Network is a
00:26:47.04\00:26:50.11
Seventh-day Adventist based
network what came to your mind?
00:26:50.14\00:26:56.44
Did you know what a
Seventh-day Adventist was?
00:26:56.48\00:26:58.58
No. I never even heard of a
Seventh-day Adventist. Yeah.
00:26:58.61\00:27:02.98
Never even heard of
Seventh-day Adventists.
00:27:03.02\00:27:07.16
Wow. And this
was in 2015, right?
00:27:07.19\00:27:09.12
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:09.16\00:27:11.13
You're probably
seventh-day what Who is this?
00:27:11.16\00:27:16.30
(Multiple voices) That's exactly
it. Say what. Are they from a
00:27:16.33\00:27:18.03
different country or what
because we didn't...You know I
00:27:18.07\00:27:21.17
thought I'd been around a little
bit but you know I didn't know
00:27:21.20\00:27:24.37
anything about
Seventh- day Adventists.
00:27:24.41\00:27:25.74
So then when you found out
it was a Seventh-day Adventist
00:27:25.77\00:27:27.81
organization did you look it
up, did you research it? So what
00:27:27.84\00:27:30.55
happened next when you guys had
had this conversation. I'm sure
00:27:30.58\00:27:33.72
you watched it with him
throughout the day now. You're
00:27:33.75\00:27:37.25
hooked. So now what happened
from there. What sparked you...
00:27:37.29\00:27:40.29
What happened next?
00:27:40.32\00:27:42.52
Well I was still spending nights
on the couch you know so I every
00:27:42.56\00:27:48.13
night every all day it didn't
come off of 3ABN. I mean David
00:27:48.16\00:27:53.64
Asscherick, _ John
Lomacang I mean, the works.
00:27:53.67\00:27:58.71
And Stephen Bohr, yeah. So
anyway I watched it for a couple
00:27:58.74\00:28:07.72
months. Okay. But during that
couple of months in my research
00:28:07.75\00:28:12.29
I found out about Ellen White.
So then we started reading you
00:28:12.32\00:28:17.53
know Desire of Ages, Great
Controversy and Patriarchs and
00:28:17.56\00:28:22.76
Prophets.
00:28:22.80\00:28:24.13
Oh so you ordered the
books like you order...
00:28:24.17\00:28:26.07
No, I downloaded them.
00:28:26.10\00:28:27.44
You downloaded
them digitally you're
00:28:27.47\00:28:28.80
reading through these books
on your iPad. What was your
00:28:29.97\00:28:32.54
reaction?
00:28:32.57\00:28:33.91
When I read The Desire of Ages
I couldn't put it down. (Yeah)
00:28:33.94\00:28:40.98
Praise the Lord.
00:28:41.02\00:28:42.35
When you first look at the book
you're like man this is like a
00:28:42.38\00:28:44.45
book of you know Love and War
you know. Love and War you know.
00:28:44.49\00:28:49.89
It was just like a book of Love
and War. That's what it is Love
00:28:49.92\00:28:53.29
and War in that book.
00:28:53.33\00:28:56.26
That's right. There's conflict
and of course, there's the love
00:28:56.30\00:28:59.50
of God there as well. Yeah
absolutely. So I have to ask
00:28:59.53\00:29:01.54
this though because in these
couple of months that you're
00:29:01.57\00:29:04.51
watching 3ABN, you're hearing
I mean if anybody's ever watched
00:29:04.54\00:29:08.24
3ABN all day long or for a
long time you know it's just one
00:29:08.28\00:29:13.25
Bible program after another and
all these powerful programs that
00:29:13.28\00:29:16.89
you know the purpose is teaching
the gospel. We're sharing the
00:29:16.92\00:29:18.25
gospel. We're sharing the
three angels' messages found in
00:29:18.29\00:29:21.32
Revelation 14. And so you're
hearing all this truth but yet
00:29:21.36\00:29:23.99
you're still attending your
Baptist church? (Yes) So now
00:29:24.03\00:29:27.03
what happens? At some
point you're going to have some
00:29:27.06\00:29:28.96
conversation with your pastor,
right? (Yeah, yeah) So tell us
00:29:29.00\00:29:31.10
about that.
00:29:31.13\00:29:32.47
Okay well always we were asking
about the 10 commandments and
00:29:32.50\00:29:37.14
that one was every week it
was something different and then
00:29:37.17\00:29:39.84
there was just guidelines. Those
were just guidelines. They're no
00:29:39.87\00:29:43.65
longer relevant.
00:29:43.68\00:29:45.01
So he's telling you that
those are just guidelines.
00:29:45.05\00:29:47.55
Basically, they're suggestions
They're nailed to the cross
00:29:47.58\00:29:49.18
(Suggestions) They're
just suggestions, yeah.
00:29:49.22\00:29:51.92
They were nailed to the cross
you know and done away with.
00:29:51.95\00:29:55.66
Yeah, that's typical.
00:29:55.69\00:29:57.03
Jesus had fulfilled them.
00:29:57.06\00:29:58.39
Yeah. And then we're asking
him about how the Sabbath got
00:29:58.43\00:30:03.26
changed, you know. Every week
it was a different answer, a
00:30:03.30\00:30:08.57
different answer and then it got
to the point that he'd see us
00:30:08.60\00:30:10.64
and he'd go the other
way. (Multiple voices)
00:30:10.67\00:30:14.41
Those troublemakers.
00:30:14.44\00:30:17.25
Yeah so he started making it
very uncomfortable in the church
00:30:17.28\00:30:21.65
so it was getting really hard
for us to even attend there.
00:30:21.68\00:30:26.12
(Yeah) Oh, I understand. Wow. I
get it, I get it, because I had
00:30:26.15\00:30:30.19
the exact same experience. When
I learned all this truth myself
00:30:30.23\00:30:33.19
the first thing on my mind was
I'm going to go back and talk to
00:30:33.23\00:30:35.40
all my Sunday school teachers
and pastors that I had sat under
00:30:35.43\00:30:38.53
over the years and I want to ask
questions and know what these
00:30:38.57\00:30:40.87
brothers think about it and some
of the answers I got was just
00:30:40.90\00:30:43.20
like what!?
00:30:43.24\00:30:44.57
You know and as you're reading
your Bible these things you know
00:30:44.61\00:30:49.01
when you're watching 3ABN
and they're going through the
00:30:49.04\00:30:51.81
scripture you know tying
scripture with it. So as you're
00:30:51.85\00:30:54.88
going through your Bible and
you're going okay, yeah, that
00:30:54.92\00:30:57.25
lines up. How come
nobody else told me that?
00:30:57.29\00:31:01.06
At some point, and again not
to be critical or judgmental of
00:31:01.09\00:31:04.49
others, because I know God leads
us all in different ways and
00:31:04.53\00:31:07.23
we're all on a different path in
our relationship...We're on the
00:31:07.26\00:31:10.70
same path but we're all at
different places on that path.
00:31:10.73\00:31:12.73
But to me when I learned it and
you guys had the same experience
00:31:12.77\00:31:17.91
but I'm thinking to myself when
I first heard this truth, number
00:31:17.94\00:31:21.51
one, how have I not heard this
all my life, why haven't I seen
00:31:21.54\00:31:25.11
this. And then number two came
to me. How has everybody else
00:31:25.15\00:31:28.05
not seen this also.
00:31:28.08\00:31:30.72
I have a story about that. Okay
after you know we knew the truth
00:31:30.75\00:31:34.69
and I had went up and...I'm kind
of skipping around...I had gone
00:31:34.72\00:31:42.56
up to have breakfast with her,
my friend, yeah, that was local
00:31:42.60\00:31:47.60
and she was saying and I was
telling her you know...she was
00:31:47.64\00:31:50.77
asking why I was going to church
And I was telling her well do
00:31:50.81\00:31:54.01
you know how the Sabbath got
changed? And so I was telling
00:31:54.04\00:31:57.41
her about how (Constantine)
yeah and papal Rome and she goes
00:31:57.45\00:32:06.35
oh yeah my pastor preached about
that last Sunday, yeah, and I'm
00:32:06.39\00:32:11.63
going and... Well
you know yeah Wow. Yeah.
00:32:11.66\00:32:18.33
Yeah because that's the I mean
that's the reaction I had as
00:32:18.37\00:32:21.37
well, how can you...People
respond to truth differently
00:32:21.40\00:32:25.97
People measure truth differently
In your case, you're seeing it
00:32:26.01\00:32:29.31
in the word of God and as Bible
Christians, you're saying you
00:32:29.34\00:32:31.55
know what I want to formulate
my life to what the Bible says.
00:32:31.58\00:32:34.05
Yeah.
00:32:34.08\00:32:35.42
And here's a you know and here's
what I came up with is that I
00:32:35.45\00:32:41.22
can't blame him, I can't blame
anybody else. He's speaking what
00:32:41.26\00:32:46.39
he knows. People go to church
because they feel like that's
00:32:46.43\00:32:53.00
where they're supposed to be.
But there's something else out
00:32:53.03\00:32:58.17
there and you're not going to
find it till you start getting
00:32:58.21\00:33:01.24
serious, really want it, really
want to know the meat you know.
00:33:01.28\00:33:06.98
You want to know why you're
there. Why am I going to church
00:33:07.02\00:33:12.85
every day? You know, what am
I doing. Am I there because my
00:33:12.89\00:33:17.36
friends are there? Am I there
because my family goes there?
00:33:17.39\00:33:20.86
Am I there because you know
that's where the social thing is
00:33:20.90\00:33:25.73
for the day? You know. You want
to go to church because you want
00:33:25.77\00:33:32.57
to be fed. You want to get that
relationship with Christ. Strike
00:33:32.61\00:33:37.05
that back up and once you fall
in love with God, once you fall
00:33:37.08\00:33:41.12
in love with Christ, man you're
on a totally separate path.
00:33:41.15\00:33:47.46
Amen. So there came a time,
there had to come a moment where
00:33:47.49\00:33:50.66
you knew we can't continue
to go here. (Yeah) God's clearly
00:33:50.69\00:33:55.06
showing us that this isn't where
we belong anymore. But now that
00:33:55.10\00:33:58.87
you know that you're learning
this truth from the Seventh-day
00:33:58.90\00:34:03.04
Adventist television network
are you now going to look for a
00:34:03.07\00:34:06.64
Seventh-day Adventist church.
What happens next in your story?
00:34:06.68\00:34:08.48
Yeah, we, we agree that we
need to make a decision. We're
00:34:08.51\00:34:17.09
going to go to check out a 3ABN
church, I mean not a 3ABN, an
00:34:17.12\00:34:23.96
Adventist church and so I was
looking it up in the phone book
00:34:23.99\00:34:28.36
you know back when there was
(motions flipping pages) I was
00:34:28.40\00:34:32.83
looking it up in the phone
book and I found a Seventh-day
00:34:32.87\00:34:38.07
Adventist Church, one in Duncan,
Oklahoma and one in Ardmore.
00:34:38.11\00:34:42.18
The Duncan one was a little
closer by about 10 miles but we
00:34:42.21\00:34:48.52
usually did most of our shopping
in Ardmore. So we figured we'd
00:34:48.55\00:34:54.26
go, we're more familiar with
that town anyway even though
00:34:54.29\00:34:57.03
it's 45 minutes away. And we
decided once I was well enough
00:34:57.06\00:35:01.66
once I could get around we'd
go check it out. So I called the
00:35:01.70\00:35:08.30
church down there in Ardmore and
says oh yeah, yeah, we'd love to
00:35:08.34\00:35:13.38
have you. You know, we'd love
for you to come visit us but
00:35:13.41\00:35:18.95
we're going to be having
a new pastor. We're kind of
00:35:18.98\00:35:20.38
transitioning in between pastors
so we'll be getting a new one. I
00:35:20.42\00:35:24.55
don't know if he'll be here yet
by the time you know you visit
00:35:24.59\00:35:28.72
but come on down anytime.
00:35:28.76\00:35:30.26
All right, so then by the time
you visited did they have a new
00:35:30.29\00:35:34.96
pastor? (Yeah, yeah) Okay. What
was your first experience like?
00:35:35.00\00:35:39.20
It was wonderful because, okay,
Baptists dress differently you
00:35:39.23\00:35:45.67
know. Your shoes have to
match you had earrings, you have
00:35:45.71\00:35:51.01
bangles, you have wrists,
you have rings you know so I'm
00:35:51.05\00:35:56.65
bangled up. As we walk in Mavis
she was so sweet and she gave me
00:35:56.69\00:36:04.99
the bulletin and she walked us
down and told her husband you're
00:36:05.03\00:36:09.63
going to take care of these two.
Yeah okay. But yeah, we were
00:36:09.66\00:36:12.60
loved from the moment we walked
in that door all the way, so...
00:36:12.63\00:36:15.97
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord
00:36:16.00\00:36:19.24
Yeah and it was Brother Rich
Konstoniski's first day. So we
00:36:19.27\00:36:22.81
was both our first day.
00:36:22.84\00:36:24.18
He was there first just like
you were. Wow, what a first day.
00:36:24.21\00:36:27.55
Amazing. Praise the Lord. So now
I have to ask you've made this
00:36:27.58\00:36:32.05
decision, now you've visited,
you're falling in love with the
00:36:32.09\00:36:34.06
church, you were received with
love and it's kind of becoming a
00:36:34.09\00:36:36.32
confirmation, this is where we
belong. (Yes, yes) What was it
00:36:36.36\00:36:40.20
like in regards to now the
people that you used to go to
00:36:40.23\00:36:43.50
church for. Was there any type
of backlash, persecution, trials
00:36:43.53\00:36:47.84
or anything that you experienced
now because you've transitioned
00:36:47.87\00:36:51.27
into this newer faith.
00:36:51.31\00:36:53.44
It didn't take us long, it
didn't take us long to transfer.
00:36:53.48\00:36:56.98
Our first day, the first time we
went and visited Ardmore on the
00:36:57.01\00:37:01.98
way home, we looked at each
other. We just kind of do that.
00:37:02.02\00:37:04.95
We look at each other and go
what'd you think? And we're both
00:37:04.99\00:37:08.66
like yeah! We ain't going back.
We ain't going back to that
00:37:08.69\00:37:12.53
other church. This is it.
00:37:12.56\00:37:13.90
It was like the next Sabbath and
I had gotten a phone call from
00:37:13.93\00:37:18.53
one of our neighbors and said
are you taking your Bible on a
00:37:18.57\00:37:23.34
different day. And I said, yes.
I said we're starting to worship
00:37:23.37\00:37:27.04
on Saturday with the Seventh-day
Adventists (Oh-oh) Yeah
00:37:27.08\00:37:31.48
We live in a
small town, very small.
00:37:31.51\00:37:35.62
Everybody knows this.
00:37:35.65\00:37:37.72
And it didn't take long at
all that we no longer got phone
00:37:37.75\00:37:40.66
calls, we no longer got visitors
You know we would call, they
00:37:40.69\00:37:45.76
wouldn't answer our phone calls.
00:37:45.79\00:37:48.86
Yeah we were
shunned to not like a month.
00:37:48.90\00:37:51.83
But on Sunday...
00:37:51.87\00:37:53.20
So no one even came like to
visit you and try to have Bible
00:37:53.23\00:37:57.21
studies with you.
(No! no.) Really (No) Okay
00:37:57.24\00:38:01.31
Yeah it wasn't just a month, it
wasn't two months, it wasn't six
00:38:01.34\00:38:05.18
months this was a year. (Wow!)
00:38:05.21\00:38:08.02
But they would drive by every
Sunday, drive by real slow and
00:38:08.05\00:38:11.55
just go...And we would wave you
know. And it took them that long
00:38:11.59\00:38:16.12
to figure out will they haven't
changed and they're not doing
00:38:16.16\00:38:18.49
anything different and he
finally got a phone call from
00:38:18.53\00:38:24.07
one, in fact, it was the
same lady that asked me about my
00:38:24.10\00:38:28.30
Bible. She called and asked
Manny if he would work on her
00:38:28.34\00:38:32.74
lawn mower. And he goes, well
sure sister. Bring it on over.
00:38:32.77\00:38:35.74
Amazing. Wow, Praise the Lord.
So you were able to even witness
00:38:35.78\00:38:39.95
at that point. Show them that
you're still the same Christian
00:38:39.98\00:38:42.35
guy.
00:38:42.38\00:38:43.72
Yeah, and we still
love the Lord. So, yeah
00:38:43.75\00:38:46.69
Yeah, that's amazing to me
because you know if somebody in
00:38:46.72\00:38:49.76
my church, one of my brothers or
sisters, I felt like they were
00:38:49.79\00:38:54.23
drifting or going in a different
direction I would be after them
00:38:54.26\00:38:57.13
right? And try and have
Bible studies (multiple voices)
00:38:57.17\00:39:00.40
I'd say what's going on with you
this is out of character for you
00:39:00.44\00:39:02.64
what's going on?
00:39:02.67\00:39:04.47
That is amazing, that is amazing
So now you've learned this new
00:39:04.51\00:39:08.38
faith, you've been going to the
Adventist church now for about
00:39:08.41\00:39:10.91
a year. What lifestyle changes
have now occurred in your life?
00:39:10.95\00:39:14.32
Was the lifestyle changes,
were they difficult for you were
00:39:14.35\00:39:19.15
they challenging? So tell us
a little bit about the changes
00:39:19.19\00:39:21.99
that occurred in your life now
transitioning into the Adventist
00:39:22.02\00:39:24.43
lifestyle?
00:39:24.46\00:39:25.79
Yeah well we took the focus off
of ourselves. None of this hey
00:39:25.83\00:39:31.63
look at me. We wanted to portray
the character of Christ you know
00:39:31.67\00:39:37.97
portray His character so we took
all the focus off of ourselves
00:39:38.01\00:39:41.74
and quit you know being all
gaudy. (Yeah) Sometimes you know
00:39:41.78\00:39:52.55
you just want people to notice
you. Well we don't want people
00:39:52.59\00:39:55.96
to notice us.
00:39:55.99\00:39:57.33
He must increase and I
must decrease. There you go.
00:39:57.36\00:40:00.63
Yeah eventually more and
more people, they say you know a
00:40:00.66\00:40:07.04
small town, so once they came
over and worked on their mower
00:40:07.07\00:40:11.11
you know the next thing more
people started calling, more
00:40:11.14\00:40:14.41
people started calling
and coming by and said, Hey we
00:40:14.44\00:40:18.25
don't have that old pastor
any more. You want to come back?
00:40:18.28\00:40:22.45
No, I'll tell you, how
about you come with me.
00:40:22.48\00:40:26.42
There you go,
there you go. All right.
00:40:26.45\00:40:28.89
They were knocking on the door
for like three days trying to
00:40:28.92\00:40:34.13
get us to go back to that church
00:40:34.16\00:40:35.50
Oh, I see, I see. Well but you
know you guys you know you had
00:40:35.53\00:40:39.97
you know from the point
that you'd started watching 3ABN
00:40:40.00\00:40:44.41
until like I guess you decided
to join the church that was
00:40:44.44\00:40:46.61
about you said it has about a
year, a year? Okay. So now there
00:40:46.64\00:40:50.48
came that moment for you to make
the decision to formally join
00:40:50.51\00:40:52.08
the church because you're
convinced and now I'm sure comes
00:40:52.11\00:40:54.78
that conversation you're
going to have with the pastor on
00:40:54.82\00:40:56.85
whether or not you're baptized.
Were you baptized. In your case,
00:40:56.89\00:41:01.62
you had been sprinkled I
guess by the Catholic Church
00:41:01.66\00:41:05.29
but then you
00:41:05.33\00:41:06.66
were baptized into the Baptist
Church (Yeah) and then you had
00:41:06.70\00:41:08.53
been baptized into the Baptist
church and so now in this case
00:41:08.56\00:41:11.83
I'm sure that conversation
came up so were you rebaptized?
00:41:11.87\00:41:15.60
(Yes, yes) How was
that experience for you.
00:41:15.64\00:41:16.97
It was wonderful just to know
you know that you're going from
00:41:17.01\00:41:23.35
all the things that you didn't
know to all the things that you
00:41:23.38\00:41:28.55
did know. And Brother Rich
was such a wonderful pastor that
00:41:28.58\00:41:33.86
leads us down that path. You
know I didn't realize that the
00:41:33.89\00:41:37.49
Old Testament reveals the
New Testament. So he had to show
00:41:37.53\00:41:40.80
us...I mean he oh! that was
amazing. It was just amazing.
00:41:40.83\00:41:44.97
That's amazing. Praise the
Lord. Manny you guys' stories
00:41:45.00\00:41:48.60
incredible and you know I just
commend you for it because it
00:41:48.64\00:41:54.08
goes to show that if you truly,
truly love truth you know...
00:41:54.11\00:41:57.35
We had to...we knew...we had
talked about it you know. Being
00:41:57.38\00:42:03.35
baptized isn't something you
just do every day you know like
00:42:03.39\00:42:06.76
putting on socks. You know it's
a serious decision but we had
00:42:06.79\00:42:15.20
talked about it and we had come
to the conclusion that you know
00:42:15.23\00:42:20.34
now we know more about Christ
now we feel more about Christ
00:42:20.37\00:42:25.84
Our walk has changed, our talk
has changed, our understanding
00:42:25.87\00:42:32.81
of His word has changed, so we
needed to be baptized into that
00:42:32.85\00:42:37.52
new truth.
00:42:37.55\00:42:38.89
Sure, absolutely. You know I
want to make a point about that
00:42:38.92\00:42:41.12
because there's a lot of people
you know that they have this
00:42:41.16\00:42:45.29
idea that well you know I
was baptized years ago into this
00:42:45.33\00:42:49.06
particular church and they'll
come to an evangelistic series
00:42:49.10\00:42:51.33
you know the ones that I might
conduct, a Seventh-day Adventist
00:42:51.37\00:42:55.17
evangelistic series and they'll
learn all this truth and then
00:42:55.20\00:42:57.07
when it comes time to make that
decision for baptism some people
00:42:57.11\00:43:00.78
struggle with that because they
think that rebaptism is only if
00:43:00.81\00:43:04.85
you've fallen away from God.
That's not necessarily the case
00:43:04.88\00:43:07.98
because we have an example in
Acts chapter 19 where Paul came
00:43:08.02\00:43:11.39
across these 12 Ephesian
disciples. They had been
00:43:11.42\00:43:14.26
baptized by John the Baptist
the same guy that baptized
00:43:14.29\00:43:17.23
Jesus and so they were baptized
by John the Baptist by water
00:43:17.26\00:43:20.96
baptism for repentance and for
the remission of their sins but
00:43:21.00\00:43:24.83
yet when they had learned the
newness of the truth of the Holy
00:43:24.87\00:43:27.94
Spirit. Again, they had not
fallen away but they had learned
00:43:27.97\00:43:31.94
this new life-changing powerful
truth and they wanted to be
00:43:31.97\00:43:34.71
rededicated under this new
experience, this new knowledge
00:43:34.74\00:43:39.61
of the truth, they had learned.
So it's not unheard of, it's not
00:43:39.65\00:43:42.32
unbiblical for someone to be
rebaptized like you were in this
00:43:42.35\00:43:45.32
case. It's not like you had
necessarily fallen away but you
00:43:45.35\00:43:48.49
had learned all of this new
amazing, powerful truth and it's
00:43:48.52\00:43:52.13
like Lord I want to be
rededicated fully to you under
00:43:52.16\00:43:54.80
all this new powerful truth that
I've learned. That's amazing.
00:43:54.83\00:43:58.40
Praise God.
00:43:58.43\00:43:59.77
We had read many texts in
scripture that we couldn't
00:43:59.80\00:44:06.78
realize how did we miss it? Like
how did we miss the word sleep?
00:44:06.81\00:44:11.85
How did we miss so many other
things you know; the ordinances
00:44:11.88\00:44:18.35
written by hand the things
that weren't nailed to the cross
00:44:18.39\00:44:22.36
except for Christ that
was nailed there for us.
00:44:22.39\00:44:25.79
That is so true. You know as you
were speaking this text came to
00:44:25.83\00:44:29.50
my mind. And I can see exactly
this is the truth for you guys
00:44:29.53\00:44:33.74
for sure and it can be
everyone's truth if they just
00:44:33.77\00:44:36.07
allow it. This is Jeremiah
Chapter 29 and one of my
00:44:36.10\00:44:37.77
favorite texts here. Verse 11
it starts with here: For I know
00:44:37.81\00:44:42.54
thoughts that I think toward you
says the Lord, thoughts of peace
00:44:42.58\00:44:45.85
and not of evil to give you a
future and a hope. And then it
00:44:45.88\00:44:49.02
says here in verse 12: Then
you will call upon me and go and
00:44:49.05\00:44:52.22
pray to me and I will listen
to you and you will seek me and
00:44:52.25\00:44:56.56
find me when you search for
me with all your heart. When you
00:44:56.59\00:45:01.23
search for the truth, you search
for God with all your heart God
00:45:01.26\00:45:06.27
can take and apply that plan
that He has for your life if we
00:45:06.30\00:45:10.07
just surrender our will to Him.
And I want to say one more thing
00:45:10.11\00:45:12.44
which is powerful and you guys
are the perfect example of this.
00:45:12.47\00:45:14.61
I think the Holy Spirit works
on everyone. Evidently, I think
00:45:14.64\00:45:21.02
that's clear. Atheists, I
think the Holy Spirit works on
00:45:21.05\00:45:23.32
Atheists to draw them to Christ.
And we want the Holy Spirit to
00:45:23.35\00:45:25.89
also, work in us and through us.
And so in this case you know you
00:45:25.92\00:45:31.06
guys are the perfect example
because in 2 Thessalonians
00:45:31.09\00:45:33.70
chapter 2 it says here in
verse 10. It says: And with all
00:45:33.73\00:45:39.00
unrighteous deception among
those who perish because they
00:45:39.03\00:45:43.91
did not receive the love of the
truth that they might be saved
00:45:43.94\00:45:48.51
and for this cause, God will
send them a strong delusion that
00:45:48.54\00:45:51.15
they should believe a lie that
they may all be condemned who
00:45:51.18\00:45:53.92
did not believe the truth and
had pleasure in unrighteousness.
00:45:53.95\00:45:56.42
The key there is the love of the
truth. When you love truth, when
00:45:56.45\00:46:01.42
love truth...It may not be easy
to hear at first but like you
00:46:01.46\00:46:06.19
said you going during this whole
time how did I not see this?
00:46:06.23\00:46:08.16
You may not have seen it at
that time but you know what God
00:46:08.20\00:46:10.93
was bringing you to a point
where you were ready to receive
00:46:10.97\00:46:12.97
it and He knew that based on
your character, your personality
00:46:13.00\00:46:16.94
and your heart that you guys
loved truth and when He showed
00:46:16.97\00:46:20.78
you that light you received it,
you received that truth and you
00:46:20.81\00:46:23.98
were ready to apply it to your
life which is powerful. (Yeah)
00:46:24.01\00:46:26.82
That's what God
wants us all to do.
00:46:26.85\00:46:28.85
We took it to the nth level. You
know when you understand a truth
00:46:28.88\00:46:36.69
and you just keep digging and
you just keep digging for them
00:46:36.73\00:46:40.46
gold nuggets man.
00:46:40.50\00:46:41.83
That's right brother. Amen.
Amen. So you guys when you...
00:46:41.86\00:46:45.10
I have to kind of go back and
ask this question again because
00:46:45.13\00:46:47.54
I just wanted a little bit more
details from you guys. You know
00:46:47.57\00:46:49.97
when you're learning about you
know the health message. I know
00:46:50.01\00:46:55.64
being a Pentecostal and also
being in the Baptist church I
00:46:55.68\00:46:57.31
mean my goodness we can eat just
about anything that walks across
00:46:57.35\00:46:59.48
the table right? And so when you
first heard like that message
00:46:59.51\00:47:02.72
was it a difficult transition
for you or did you just like you
00:47:02.75\00:47:05.75
you know what, hey
we're going to just do this.
00:47:05.79\00:47:07.59
(Yeah) Most of it, most of
everything was yeah we're just
00:47:07.62\00:47:11.59
this is it you know. That is one
area that we haven't quite fully
00:47:11.63\00:47:18.03
been converted to.
We're not fully vegetarian.
00:47:18.07\00:47:24.21
Oh, oh yeah. The point I
was getting at is the clean and
00:47:24.24\00:47:27.24
unclean like when you don't eat
the pork you know catfish and
00:47:27.28\00:47:31.11
the shrimp, the things that you
and I probably grew up eating
00:47:31.15\00:47:33.38
Those things we
don't eat no more.
00:47:33.42\00:47:35.32
There's still a lot of Seventh-
day Adventists that have not
00:47:35.35\00:47:37.32
made that transition to
vegetarianism but I commend you
00:47:37.35\00:47:41.99
though because that still had to
be a big step to go now wait I
00:47:42.02\00:47:44.89
can't have my pig anymore. I
can't have my pork meat and my
00:47:44.93\00:47:47.90
garlic buttered shrimp.
00:47:47.93\00:47:49.26
That's the only...
00:47:49.30\00:47:51.30
Yeah I used to
eat a lot of mudbugs.
00:47:51.33\00:47:53.60
Wow. Now what's a mudbug again
00:47:53.64\00:47:56.00
Crawdad. (laughter) I
should have known that.
00:47:56.04\00:47:59.87
Crawfish. That's good.
Absolutely wow. But you guys
00:47:59.91\00:48:04.81
learned that truth and you said
well, this is what the word of
00:48:04.85\00:48:07.25
the Lord says.
00:48:07.28\00:48:08.62
Yeah, we used to eat catfish.
No scales. So we got to quit.
00:48:08.65\00:48:13.69
What was it like when you
were learning for instance that
00:48:13.72\00:48:15.62
particular truth. I mean
was your eyes open, like whoa
00:48:15.66\00:48:20.80
It made sense. Yeah I never even
thought about that you know and
00:48:20.83\00:48:26.13
we ate a lot of catfish and then
we find out that they're bottom
00:48:26.17\00:48:30.21
feeders Ugh.
00:48:30.24\00:48:35.11
When you start thinking that
way it's not too hard to switch.
00:48:35.14\00:48:37.85
That's amazing, that's amazing.
And so when you kept your first
00:48:37.88\00:48:39.68
Sabbath what was that
like? (Oh!) Did it feel weird?
00:48:39.71\00:48:44.85
Nooo. In fact, it made the whole
week go by so much easier...
00:48:44.89\00:48:51.96
Yeah so much more relaxed
throughout the rest of the
00:48:51.99\00:48:53.90
week. When you
00:48:53.93\00:48:55.26
have that, when you have that
day of communion with God you
00:48:55.76\00:48:59.00
know, when you make that
day a special day not as other
00:48:59.03\00:49:06.57
denominations where you know
they do other things throughout
00:49:06.61\00:49:10.45
the day when they worship. You
know this Sabbath we're going to
00:49:10.48\00:49:15.88
go walk around. We get out
in nature, we walk around, talk
00:49:15.92\00:49:19.12
with God, walk with God you know
Go to church you know spend the
00:49:19.15\00:49:26.73
whole day. We get there at
church at eight o'clock in the
00:49:26.76\00:49:30.47
morning. We open it up. Okay.
And we don't get sometimes till
00:49:30.50\00:49:34.17
like four or five.
00:49:34.20\00:49:35.54
Yeah because all day long
we're with family members so.
00:49:35.57\00:49:39.67
We have fellowship lunch every
Sabbath. Okay so that brings me
00:49:39.71\00:49:44.15
we've got about two and a half
minutes before we take a break
00:49:44.18\00:49:46.58
but I just got to ask you this
kind of in closing here. God has
00:49:46.61\00:49:49.82
opened up opportunities now
to use you guys and so you're no
00:49:49.85\00:49:52.79
longer I think you're no longer
at Ardmore but where are you
00:49:52.82\00:49:55.52
where are you guys now?
What's your home church.
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We're in Paul's Valley
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Paul's Valley, Okla...
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Paul's Valley, Oklahoma
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Okay, all right. So what kind of
work are you guys doing in the
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church now. What kind of
ministry opportunities has the
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Lord...
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Oh yes. There are so many
opportunities there. Our little
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church we have Celebrating Life
in Recovery. That has been going
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on for about a year. Kenny and
Chrystal McAllister which they
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had just been married here last
week, have been doing it for a
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year, this ministry. We started
it up for them and they're doing
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a great job, an
awesome job in that. Yeah.
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Praise God. Praise God.
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And our little church we started
off with like four members. Now
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we're up to like 20 members.
(All right, praise the Lord)
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and we go out and we help other
people in the community. We
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built this lady, Dana...Her
husband had passed away suddenly
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and he hadn't finished
their shed. She was missing some
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utensils and stuff and so we had
went...People said oh yeah we'll
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come help you, we'll come help
you. But all of our church we
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put on our TMI shirt, yeah.
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Total member involvement.
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Yes so we all come in our
blue shirts and her tears just
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started because she
was just so surprised.
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She was so passionate
about getting her shed you know
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finished.
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Absolutely, absolutely. So
you guys are doing exactly what
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Jesus did. He didn't just sit
and preach all the time or stand
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from a distance or have people
to come to the church. He went
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out into the community and
mingled and served the people.
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Then we have another couple that
Anna and Travis Hunt they do
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ministry with Messiah's mansion
and they know a lot about
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the sanctuary
message which is awesome.
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God is just blessing you guys so
much. I can just see it coming
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from you, I can
hear it in your voices.
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Yeah, it's powerful.
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The Lord has blessed your guys
so much. We have come almost to
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the end. We're going to take a
short break in just a moment but
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my friends I just want to remind
you, the Bible teaches us that
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you know Jesus says sanctify
them by thy truth, thy word is
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truth. That's evidently what
has happened here in Manny and
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Debbie's life and I just want to
thank both of you for being here
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We're going to take a short
break. Don't go anywhere because
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we're going to come back for
some final thoughts from Manny
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and Debbie in just a
moment. Be right back
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