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(Yvonne Shelton) Hello and
welcome to 3ABN Today. I'm so
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excited about our program today
My name is Yvonne Shelton and
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you are going to be so inspired
and encouraged and informed by
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our guest today. But before
I introduce her, let me read a
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scripture to you that I felt
impressed to share this morning
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with you. This morning when I
was having my devotions. This is
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from Colossians 2 verses 6-10:
As you, therefore, have received
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Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk
in Him, rooted and built up in
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Him and established in the
faith as you have been taught
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abounding in it with
thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone
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cheat you through philosophy
and empty deceit according to
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the tradition of men, according
to the basic principles of the
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world and not according to
Christ, for in Him dwells all
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the fullness of the Godhead
bodily. And you are complete
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in Him who is the head of
all principality and power.
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And as you'll see this scripture
really says it all. Before I
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introduce Blessings to you we're
going to have some music from
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our very own E.T. Everett. She's
going to play Bind Us Together/
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Family of God.
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Thank you so much E.T. That was
so soothing wasn't it? That was
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so beautiful. Well let me
introduce you to our guest for
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today. Her name, I mentioned it
before, is Blessings Robertson-
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Winn and Blessings has an
amazing testimony of how she was
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involved with Yoga. So we're
going to talk about your journey
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But before we get to the yoga
part let's find out more about
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you. How were you raised? Were
you raised in a Christian home?
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Give us a bit of your journey.
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Sure yes, I was indeed. I was
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raised by my mother who was,
I can't remember, the third or
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fourth generation, I need to dig
into that a little bit more, but
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Seventh-day Adventist, you know.
Made sure to adhere to all the
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metrics that we SDAs love to
have in our lives. So you know
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not eating unclean foods, making
sure that you observe Sabbath.
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You know again, checking all the
boxes. I was an avid prayer. You
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know prayer life was a big
component in my development.
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My mother had me read and
memorize scripture and I did
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find myself reciting that
throughout my life even when I
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turned away from the faith and
turned away from God. But it's
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just not enough. It's one thing
to practice with an idealism in
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it and it's another thing
to be serving God, to be just
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completely surrendered and
to have discipleship that means
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more to you than the world.
Means more to you than any title
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or man's law. And I didn't come
to realize that until much later
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on in life.
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So you were brought up in a home
where your mother was Adventist.
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(Yes) What about your dad?
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Unfortunately, my father was not
but he was absolutely more than
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tolerant and willing to have
my mother coach us kids to be
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Adventist, to believe in Christ.
When he was 12 years old his
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parents asked him whether
he wanted to continue going to
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church. He was a Episcopalian.
And he said you know I'm going
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alone. It makes no sense. I'm
done with it. And then he went
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through you know young adulthood
not really having a faith and by
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the time that time that he was
in college exploring life and
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you know young adulthood
this was the time when they were
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recruiting for the Viet Nam war
and this is when spiritualism
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really broke out in America and
the whole mantra give peace a
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chance you know and
people started looking to other
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religions to try to fill the gap
and so my father was definitely
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wooed by you know Buddhism just
in general eastern religions.
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But yet he did not push those
ideals on me. He let my mother
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take the helm on
my soul and my faith.
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So at what point did you kind of
veer off into eastern religious
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thought?
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Well interestingly enough I
think I didn't realize that a
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doorway had opened. The
fact that I had a father who was
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sympathetic to esotericism and
eastern god and religion. And he
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didn't describe it as occultism
so I didn't think of it as being
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anything harmful or dangerous.
And again I grew up in
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Berkley, a very
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eccentric place where you see a
little bit of everything and it
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was not uncommon to see people
practicing or share a culture.
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So I didn't find it necessarily
offensive. But when I definitely
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started to get challenges when
I got a full-ride scholarship to
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a Jesuit University of
all places and so you know and
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actually, before that, because
I did go to a Catholic school in
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junior high. We didn't have
Adventist education available to
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us nearby and so public schools
were a little too wonky and
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undisciplined so I ended up
going into Catholic school for
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the safety of it and for you
know just having a place where
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I could learn and not have to be
harassed about things that kids
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are harassed about every day
even now. And so I was exposed
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to teachings that aren't
Biblical and my parents warned
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me you know the idols that are
there, you know that's not what
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God teaches us. You know the
policy about what happens to the
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body and the soul when you
die. Just teachings that are
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falsified and
not Biblical. And...
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Were you confused?
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No, I wasn't confused but it
definitely opened a gateway to
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consider other possibilities.
And so it's kind of like a
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buffet, you know, when you're
in a very eclectic environment
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it's like I kind of reckoned it
to being what it must have been
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like for the Israelites when
they were trying to find the
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promised land and being among
idolatrous people. You know, we
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are humans. We want to relate
with each other and so some of
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those things bleed into us if
we're not faithful, if we're not
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reading, if we're not attentive.
Then you can get conjecturing
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philosophy that betrays what
you know to be true but you'll
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accept it in order to be
included. So that pretty well
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sums it up. And when I went
to college you know the Bible
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wasn't included in any of the
curriculum. It was more about
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learning how Christianity
had been a thorn in the side of
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society in one way or another
and not necessarily about
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developing my character with
Christ. And again, opening up,
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you know. And then by the time
that I graduated college you
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know I'd stopped reading the
Bible and I had been thrown into
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Hollywood and it just kind
of started there spiraling out.
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Isn't it interesting how the
devil is...he's very patient. He
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doesn't bring you from A to Z
in 10 seconds or 10 minutes or
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even 10 days and sometimes
not even 10 years. It's slowly.
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(Right) And you start drifting
and before you know it, you know
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you were here and anchored and
you're out here adrift. (Right)
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And it's just amazing to me how
he's just so insidious and how
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he introduces these little
things at each juncture (Right)
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Because just as God has a plan
for us, Satan has a plan for us.
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Absolutely. For every
great plan that God has, the
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opposition is there waiting. And
if you have even a tiny little
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thread he'll find that thread
and he'll just pull it until the
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whole sweater is just collapsed.
And I think that was pretty much
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metaphorical for what
happened to me in my life.
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Yes, yes. So you go through...
and that's another interesting
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thing...college. That is the
place where so many children of
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faith, young people of faith,
leave the faith. (Yeah) Because
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they're introduced
to philosophies that are
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antithetical to the Bible. And
so...in the interest and under
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the guise of intellectualism
(Yes) and academia and so you
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think you're learning about
something that's important and
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...the Bible is important.
The Bible is true and everything
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should measure against that
(absolutely) but they make it
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obsolete (right) and so by the
time you get out there's so many
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young people who lose
their Christianity in college.
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(Yes) Because they start veering
off (right). So after college
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were you then totally out
of the church. Where were you?
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Yeah, I was still praying but I
was no longer reading my Bible.
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And I was eager to put my title
that I paid so much money for
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at this private Jesuit
University to work. And you know
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I launched into Hollywood and I
worked with a company that's now
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defunct called The Band Apart.
And it was owned by Quentin
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Tarantino, Michael Bednarczyk,
and Lawrence Bender and at the
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time they were you know
responsible for big hits like
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The Mexican and Usual Suspects.
So they were just developing
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hit after hit after hit.
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And what were you doing?
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And so I was working in their
commercial division for music
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videos and again commercials
and I was the right hand to
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a director by
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the name of Darren Grant, a very
talented young man. And my main
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role, like if you want to
say what was my main duty there,
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it was writing scripts. And so
we called them treatments. So,
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what would happen is up and
coming artists or established
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artists would send in their
music and they would say come up
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with a vision, you know, a music
video for this. And so in comes
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the mail. I open it up we listen
to the CD. My director and I
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would sit and labor over it.
What can we come up with that's
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really cool, that would really
make an impression on you know
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the kids and the MTV-type crowd.
For instance, I worked with
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Beyoncé, Kelly Rowland, Michelle
Williams, (two voices unclear)
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Destiny's Child. I worked with
Boys to Men, Eric Benet, just
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countless artists that weren't
just here in the U.S. but also
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abroad in Europe, Devala Morgan,
Craig David. And I'm going to be
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truthful, it was fun. But I can
say that what's glitters is not
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always gold. And there was a lot
of effort that went into making
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these people larger than
life. And that's the part that
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children and society don't
understand that without the
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cameras, without these story
lines and these big production
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budgets they're no different
than you and I. They're sinners
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just like you and I.
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And many of them are miserable.
(Absolutely) I mean I was in the
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entertainment industry for many
years too and I got to know a
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lot of people who had a lot
of money, but money, you know,
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life is just so empty.
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Very, very empty.
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So empty. So just like you said
what glitters is not gold. So
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were you...had you started
doing yoga at this point?
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At this point, I had been
introduced to Ti Chi by my god
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mother and she too was a
Buddhist and she was also the
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mother of my best
friend. I lost my best friend.
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(Two voices) He's my father was
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sympathetic to that particular
faith. And my best friend had
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passed away and it made she
and I even closer. You know I
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counted on her counseling and
her guidance. You know my mother
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was not from the United States
My mother was an exile from the
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Mosquito Coast and so her
tradition and her ways were very
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against what American women are
and so she was kind of like my
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reinforcement of well how
do I grow up American you know?
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And when we would spend quality
time together she would take me
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to places like Buddhist temples
to chant and she would take me
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to a yoga class or a Ti Chi
class. That's how I really got
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introduced to the
physical practice of it.
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And what did you think when
you first, started it? What was
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going through your mind
when you first started it...
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I just thought it was a measure
of bonding with her. I didn't
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really put my faith in it or
anything like that. I just, I
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really you know minimalized
it and compartmentalized it like
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this is just a physical
thing I'm doing with her. It has
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nothing to do...I know who God
is you know. But it has a way of
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if you're not serving God fully
then you can be corrupted very
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easily.
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Absolutely, absolutely. So
you started taking Ti Chi. You
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started hanging out with
your Buddhist godmother and that
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opened the door to influences.
Because your dad also had opened
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the door to some influences.
But now you're starting to
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incorporate some of the
practices (right) into that. And
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so what happened that got you
really involved with yoga to the
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point where you wanted to teach?
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So my father, unfortunately,
when I was pregnant with my
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second child was diagnosed with
esophageal cancer and we didn't
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find it until he was in his
fourth stage and at first they
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diagnosed him as having blood
cancer. And so they gave him 10
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years to live. They said it's
okay, it's treatable, you have
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about 10 years. But they
completely missed it and it
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wasn't until he had to have a G
tube inserted in his belly that
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they were able to do an upper
endoscopy to find the tumor in
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his throat. But it had passed
the size, you know. It started
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eating up his spine. It
paralyzed him. It was very, very
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hard. And so at the same time I
had adopted my nephew and we had
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been raising him since he was
12 and here I was with a now 15-
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year-old teenage boy, a 17-month
old girl and a nine-month belly
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with about a month to go. And
my mother has always been a kept
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woman like a princess so she
never learned to do some of the
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simple things, financial things
and so now I had her as well.
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And my husband was playing with
the San Francisco Giants in the
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majors. It's a very taxing and
rigorous schedule and so I had a
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lot on my plate. And one of his
friends, actually a Christian,
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recommended a spiritual guide,
a guru so to speak, and I went
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to him. And he advised me
and he spoke to me in Christian
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terms because he was raised
Catholic but he was actually you
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know into this whole Krishna you
know Hinduism but he spoke the
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Christian dialect. And I started
to put my trust in him and allow
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him to guide me and
then it led to yoga.
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Isn't that interesting? It's
so amazing to me how there's so
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many gurus and people...There's
a very popular woman on
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television who talks the jargon
of Christianity but she's a
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Yoruban priestess (right, right)
and she counsels people and
00:22:14.80\00:22:19.73
she's using this Christian
jargon but she's a pagan (right)
00:22:19.77\00:22:23.27
priestess. (right) And so a
lot of these people...That's why
00:22:23.30\00:22:28.34
it's so, so, so important to not
just listen to what people say
00:22:28.38\00:22:32.28
but to know the word.
00:22:32.31\00:22:35.48
To measure it against the
word. Absolutely (yes, yes)
00:22:35.52\00:22:36.85
In fact Colossians 2
00:22:36.89\00:22:38.22
what you read today is exactly
what turned me completely away
00:22:38.25\00:22:42.79
from even entertaining it.
Because then I did get to a
00:22:42.82\00:22:46.53
point where I realized it wasn't
right and I do what to be clear
00:22:46.56\00:22:50.97
in saying that my
father, my God, mother, they're
00:22:51.00\00:22:55.30
well-meaning people. They don't
desire harm for you. They really
00:22:55.34\00:22:59.04
believe. You know they're
ignorant to the word and when
00:22:59.07\00:23:02.14
you're ignorant to the word
you're searching for truth,
you're searching for
00:23:02.18\00:23:04.78
meaning and you'll attach to
whatever is comfortable for you.
00:23:04.81\00:23:07.75
And you know eastern religions
they do not tell you that you
00:23:07.78\00:23:12.45
need to refine your character.
They tell you the way that you
00:23:12.49\00:23:16.19
are is fine, you're perfectly
imperfect. And that is the
00:23:16.22\00:23:19.39
furthest thing from the truth.
Now God says you know I accept
00:23:19.43\00:23:23.87
you where you are but I'm
not going to leave you that way.
00:23:23.90\00:23:25.80
That's right, that's right.
00:23:25.83\00:23:28.24
And here in this other
philosophy do as you wilt.
00:23:28.27\00:23:31.21
Do what you like. Follow
your heart. Well we know from
00:23:31.24\00:23:34.61
scripture that the heart is
deceitful and wicked, who can
00:23:34.64\00:23:38.61
know it. (that's right) You know
and I can say the decisions that
00:23:38.65\00:23:43.25
I've made with my heart haven't
been the best. You know like a
00:23:43.28\00:23:47.09
boyfriend that you know
is no good for you. Red flags
00:23:47.12\00:23:49.19
everywhere and you say I can
change him. You're heart really
00:23:49.22\00:23:52.66
makes you think that. But in the
end you're the one that changes.
00:23:52.69\00:23:55.76
That's right, that's right.
You don't realize when you're
00:23:55.80\00:23:58.87
getting into some of these
things...that's why the Bible is
00:23:58.90\00:24:02.64
so important because it's
our anchor. It brings us back to
00:24:02.67\00:24:06.81
where we're supposed to be. If
we don't know it then there are
00:24:06.84\00:24:11.95
well-meaning people who just
want the best for you and they
00:24:11.98\00:24:15.02
feel like this is going to be
good for you. (Yeah) So just try
00:24:15.05\00:24:18.15
this. I feel peaceful with it.
(right) Why not, you know, go
00:24:18.19\00:24:23.26
ahead and try it and see how you
feel with it. Do you. But that's
00:24:23.29\00:24:28.50
Exactly do you.
00:24:28.53\00:24:30.23
That's not Biblical and that if
we...the heart is deceitful and
00:24:30.27\00:24:36.00
desperately wicked, right, above
all things, who can know it? So
00:24:36.04\00:24:41.61
we don't...we can't go by
feelings. We can't go by like oh
00:24:41.64\00:24:46.92
we should be...this is
okay. I did the same thing with
00:24:46.95\00:24:50.39
acupuncture. I did the same
thing and when you realize later
00:24:50.42\00:24:54.49
on down the road, what have I
done? (right) I've gone so far
00:24:54.52\00:25:00.33
away from where I was supposed
to be. And it's sooo subtle and
00:25:00.36\00:25:05.50
insidious. So tell us you got so
into this that you went to India
00:25:05.53\00:25:12.34
Well, I was deeply grieving. I
was suffering. I was alone. I'm
00:25:12.37\00:25:20.72
sure being a new mother to two
children under the age of two
00:25:20.75\00:25:24.12
and a 15-year-old and all the
stresses that were going on. Yes
00:25:24.15\00:25:28.99
I was eternally blessed from
before I even knew I was and
00:25:29.02\00:25:33.73
then on top of that, we had
wealth and success and you know
00:25:33.76\00:25:38.13
everything at our fingertips.
You name it. There was nothing
00:25:38.17\00:25:41.17
that we lacked. And I don't say
that to glorify it but I say it
00:25:41.20\00:25:46.81
to help paint the picture of how
money doesn't buy your salvation
00:25:46.84\00:25:53.05
and surely it does not buy
your happiness. And happiness is
00:25:53.08\00:25:57.72
temporary. If anything, what I
was really in search of was joy.
00:25:57.75\00:26:00.12
And either way, I was suffering
and I said okay you know my dad
00:26:00.16\00:26:08.73
believed in this and he's the
one I really miss. And what I
00:26:08.76\00:26:13.34
didn't realize at the time
was that I had made my father an
00:26:13.37\00:26:16.04
idol in my life. I had put my
father above Christ to where he
00:26:16.07\00:26:20.68
was my sanctuary. My father gave
me a safety net, you know. He
00:26:20.71\00:26:25.38
gave me counseling on everything
I could imagine and he was so
00:26:25.41\00:26:29.18
well, read. He was the most
intelligent man, I've ever met
00:26:29.22\00:26:31.79
in my life. And if he wasn't
cooking, telling a joke, he was
00:26:31.82\00:26:36.06
reading. And he was legally
blind. So he would hold books
00:26:36.09\00:26:38.99
like this, this close...You know
they were like his best friend.
00:26:39.03\00:26:41.70
He would hold books to his face
and read for countless hours.
00:26:41.73\00:26:45.03
So he seemed like a man who had
good reason. And you know I went
00:26:45.07\00:26:53.71
in search of connecting with
him. But the Bible tells us you
00:26:53.74\00:26:57.61
can't connect with the
dead. You'll maybe get that
00:26:57.65\00:27:00.65
opportunity in that direction
but ultimately the dead know
00:27:00.68\00:27:04.95
nothing. (right) And so I went
on this spiritual quest to try
00:27:04.99\00:27:08.22
to reunite with my father. (Ohh)
And in the end what I realized
00:27:08.26\00:27:13.50
was it wasn't my father that
was the lord, it was my heavenly
00:27:13.53\00:27:18.13
Father. And I've never been
more content or happy in my life
00:27:18.17\00:27:23.44
after that discovery.
00:27:23.47\00:27:25.07
_praise the Lord So
describe for us what happens
00:27:25.11\00:27:29.84
in a yoga class and how is yoga
not compatible with Christianity
00:27:29.88\00:27:38.05
Why can't I do yoga
and be a Christian too?
00:27:38.09\00:27:40.62
Right. So I thought I could.
I thought oh it's just exercise,
00:27:40.66\00:27:44.33
it's physical and really good at
stretching. You know, I'm good
00:27:44.36\00:27:47.70
at this. I got it you know.
And I caught the eye of a lot of
00:27:47.73\00:27:50.90
instructors and they said hey
I think you'd be a great teacher
00:27:50.93\00:27:53.54
and they recruited me to take
up teacher training, and I did.
00:27:53.57\00:27:57.64
And so initially I did it with
core power. We had a group of
00:27:57.67\00:28:01.01
20 people. But we never actually
got the text, the actual ancient
00:28:01.04\00:28:07.32
text. We got a manuscript, a
manual, an American watered down
00:28:07.35\00:28:12.49
manual that just told point A
to point Z of the class. And so
00:28:12.52\00:28:18.56
it's memorize this. At this
point you do X, at this point
00:28:18.59\00:28:22.20
you do, you know, whatever
it might be. It was very
00:28:22.23\00:28:24.93
prescriptive, it was
very perfunctory and I thought
00:28:24.97\00:28:28.27
nothing of it. Oh this is
a cinch, it's like taking a
00:28:28.30\00:28:30.07
jazzercise class, you know.
I got it. And so I did that. So
00:28:30.11\00:28:34.34
then I said to myself well it's
connected to "light." I need
00:28:34.38\00:28:38.21
to explore this. So I ended
up on the counsel of a D.O., a
00:28:38.25\00:28:46.09
naturopath, a doctor who was
actually an Ayurvedic, a Hindu
00:28:46.12\00:28:49.09
who tried to recruit me into
her faith. She sent me to Kerala
00:28:49.12\00:28:52.99
India because she wanted me to
be her right hand. So I did, I
00:28:53.03\00:28:58.80
went to Kerala, India, and I
lived in an ashram and I studied
00:28:58.83\00:29:03.27
therapeutic yoga.
00:29:03.30\00:29:04.64
I think we have some pictures.
00:29:04.67\00:29:06.01
Yeah so India's a beautiful
country with a beautiful culture
00:29:06.04\00:29:11.61
and there's so many different
religions there. There's the
00:29:11.65\00:29:15.68
Muslim faith, there's
the Christian faith, there's
00:29:15.72\00:29:19.19
Hinduism. You know you name it
It's kind of like a mini Berkley
00:29:19.22\00:29:22.62
essence. And so connecting
with the people, that was my
00:29:22.66\00:29:26.36
favorite thing there. But I
started to become mesmerized by
00:29:26.39\00:29:31.53
this whole occult world and I
didn't realize it was occultic.
00:29:31.57\00:29:35.87
Yoga is Hinduism. Yoga is a
prescriptive physical practice
00:29:35.90\00:29:41.81
that the Vedics, the swamis and
the gurus give you in order to
00:29:41.84\00:29:48.48
exercise the esoteric manuscript
patanjali yoga sutras. You know
00:29:48.52\00:29:56.46
in essence their bible. And
there are warnings that come
00:29:56.49\00:30:01.70
with this that the American
teachers are never taught, you
00:30:01.73\00:30:05.00
know. You're never told that
these physical practices and the
00:30:05.03\00:30:09.44
breath work that's involved in
it and the chanting is a part of
00:30:09.47\00:30:13.91
their occultic practice and that
you're performing rituals and
00:30:13.94\00:30:17.91
that these rituals can lead
to psychosis can lead to chronic
00:30:17.95\00:30:23.12
disease, irreparable harm, you
know, lunacy, heart conditions
00:30:23.15\00:30:28.52
things that no one
can find cures for.
00:30:28.56\00:30:30.83
Oh, I was doing research on it.
I just wrote a little booklet
00:30:30.86\00:30:35.83
called Perilous Practices about
yoga and I was doing research
00:30:35.86\00:30:41.10
about it and I went on YouTube
and I saw a guru who said...I
00:30:41.14\00:30:49.74
was looking up information about
kundalini yoga and he said Do
00:30:49.78\00:30:52.68
not do this...if you don't have
someone supervising you, do not
00:30:52.71\00:31:00.69
do it. It can change
your life. In days you will be
00:31:00.72\00:31:07.96
unrecognizable by your own
family. And I'm thinking, Oh
00:31:08.00\00:31:13.87
I mean this is demonic
possession. That's what he is
00:31:13.90\00:31:16.30
talking about (Yeah) He said it
is the strongest, most dangerous
00:31:16.34\00:31:19.51
yoga that you can do. So don't
do it without proper supervision
00:31:19.54\00:31:25.11
(right) And I was listening
to this...and when you study the
00:31:25.15\00:31:30.69
foundations, and that's
what, just like you were saying,
00:31:30.72\00:31:33.79
people don't know the foundation
If you study the foundation of
00:31:33.82\00:31:38.99
yoga, which is Hinduism,
acupuncture, which is Taoism
00:31:39.03\00:31:42.90
you realize that, wait a minute,
this is totally against God.
00:31:42.93\00:31:48.34
Right right. It's a different...
You know people get upset with
00:31:48.37\00:31:53.31
me because I've left the
practice and I've stopped
00:31:53.34\00:31:56.11
teaching. They kind of go you're
a hypocrite. I rather you call
00:31:56.14\00:32:00.15
me a hypocrite than God.
00:32:00.18\00:32:01.65
How are you a hypocrite? You're
not doing...you know you're
00:32:01.68\00:32:04.32
doing what you
think is the right thing.
00:32:04.35\00:32:05.85
Right. Because they just feel
like you did this so how can you
00:32:05.89\00:32:11.09
dare, you know, now you're
holier than thou. And I say, you
00:32:11.13\00:32:14.10
know, it's not about judging.
It's about learning and if
00:32:14.13\00:32:17.63
you're open to learning the
truth, then I'll share it with
00:32:17.67\00:32:20.60
you, but if you are comfortable
in darkness and you'd rather
00:32:20.64\00:32:22.67
practice darkness I can't stop
you. Right. But I shouldn't be a
00:32:22.70\00:32:27.71
stumbling block to you. I'm
going to give you the light. I'm
00:32:27.74\00:32:29.08
going to give you the truth. And
so for my ex-students, I try to
00:32:29.11\00:32:31.61
enlighten them and tell them
you put so much faith in me. You
00:32:31.65\00:32:34.98
gave me so much credit you
know and you trusted me. And you
00:32:35.02\00:32:38.99
trusted me when I led you into
darkness. You held my hand and
00:32:39.02\00:32:41.79
you sang and now that I'm
trying to give you light you
00:32:41.82\00:32:45.49
know you are casting me away.
And it's a little bit difficult
00:32:45.53\00:32:50.33
to be honest, you know, when
you're held in high esteem in a
00:32:50.37\00:32:55.67
position or title and then all
of a sudden, you're no longer
00:32:55.70\00:32:59.27
considered an authority in
that because you're against what
00:32:59.31\00:33:02.94
they're wanting to do. But I
don't do it because I think I'm
00:33:02.98\00:33:07.38
holier than thou. I do it
because I want them to know the
00:33:07.42\00:33:10.65
truth. I want
them to know the light.
00:33:10.69\00:33:12.02
Yes, you don't want them to be
lost. Yeah, so walk us through
00:33:12.05\00:33:16.83
a typical yoga class.
What happens when you go in?
00:33:16.86\00:33:21.26
Okay, so it depends on the kind
of class that you're taking.
00:33:21.33\00:33:23.97
There are different branches of
yoga. I mean they even have goat
00:33:24.00\00:33:27.64
yoga now. (I saw that) I don't
know if you've spent enough time
00:33:27.67\00:33:32.87
around goats but they don't have
bowel control and I don't like
00:33:32.91\00:33:36.44
a yoga goat on me. So anyway.
But I digress. So you come into
00:33:36.48\00:33:43.82
a class and regardless of your
ability you come in. You get the
00:33:43.85\00:33:48.72
same yoga mat, same yoga block,
you know, stretching tools, yoga
00:33:48.76\00:33:53.26
rope. And you're instructed
to lie on your back in what's
00:33:53.29\00:33:57.03
called corpse pose with
your face up toward the sky,
00:33:57.07\00:34:02.00
your palms open, your
00:34:02.04\00:34:03.37
legs spread apart. And here
you're basically...I hate to say
00:34:03.41\00:34:10.11
it, you're kind of getting brain
washed. You're told empty your
00:34:10.15\00:34:13.68
mind, you know you're perfect
the way that you are, let this
00:34:13.72\00:34:17.49
next 60 minutes or 30 minutes,
however long the class you're
00:34:17.52\00:34:20.72
taking take you into this
transcendent space. And so the
00:34:20.76\00:34:26.86
goal of yoga is actually to
take you to an altered state of
00:34:26.90\00:34:29.86
consciousness, so the practice,
again this is a prescriptive
00:34:29.90\00:34:34.04
practice that is going to take
you to this next level, this
00:34:34.07\00:34:37.51
higher level. So I'm going to
work on you on various levels.
00:34:37.54\00:34:42.28
I'm going to work on you
teaching you how to breathe,
00:34:42.31\00:34:44.38
right? I'm going to teach you
not to think. I'm going to teach
00:34:44.41\00:34:49.22
you not to counter with your
judgment anything that I say.
00:34:49.25\00:34:53.52
I'm going to ask you to empty
your mind so that I can fill it
00:34:53.56\00:34:56.19
with what I want. And from that
dead pose you're then going to
00:34:56.22\00:35:01.33
go into child pose, which is a
rebirth, a reincarnation. And so
00:35:01.36\00:35:04.93
now you're being initiated
into the whole, the sutra, the
00:35:04.97\00:35:10.81
practice of yoga the ritualistic
behaviors and the idolatry of it
00:35:10.84\00:35:15.78
you know, the worship. And I'll
take you through a sequence of
00:35:15.81\00:35:19.45
poses and each pose has a
specific length and time and it
00:35:19.48\00:35:23.39
has a specific effect on your
organs, on your mentality, and
00:35:23.42\00:35:27.99
if before class or after class
if I encourage you to chant with
00:35:28.02\00:35:32.56
me, these beautiful Sanskrit,
you know it sounds beautiful.
00:35:32.59\00:35:36.73
you are actually beckoning and
inviting deities to come into
00:35:36.77\00:35:44.87
you and to complete their
mission, whatever that may be.
00:35:44.91\00:35:48.14
And so you just become host body
for this altered consciousness,
00:35:48.18\00:35:53.25
this other dimension of
spiritual life. And in the end
00:35:53.28\00:35:58.45
you know, you're exhausted, if
you took my class you would have
00:35:58.49\00:36:01.56
been exhausted as (Laughter
obscures words) and you would
00:36:01.59\00:36:07.36
lie again in corpse pose and so
this whole death and life cycle
00:36:07.40\00:36:10.37
is repeated there. And you walk
out, you know, feeling, some
00:36:10.40\00:36:16.34
people feel blissful, some
people feel remorseful, crying,
00:36:16.37\00:36:20.41
some people have had panic
attacks, people have passed out.
00:36:20.44\00:36:23.04
Some people leave in the middle
of class. Some people say it
00:36:23.08\00:36:26.31
just doesn't feel right. And at
the end I ask everyone, you know
00:36:26.35\00:36:30.52
hold your palms together at your
heart center, you know, because
00:36:30.55\00:36:34.26
we're talking about in that
world these centers of awareness
00:36:34.29\00:36:38.33
a chakra is where energy is in
the body. And from there I tell
00:36:38.36\00:36:42.00
you to put it at your third eye,
the all-knowing and then you
00:36:42.03\00:36:45.90
know we bow to the universe
and we bow to each other because
00:36:45.93\00:36:48.67
we're all gods and everything
around us are gods. And so as a
00:36:48.70\00:36:52.31
Christian can you really
participate in that and separate
00:36:52.34\00:36:56.24
it. The question is something
we need to ask ourselves.
00:36:56.28\00:36:59.75
Absolutely, absolutely. Can
you...it's pagan. It's yoking
00:36:59.78\00:37:07.12
with...the whole idea of yoga
is yoking. Even the lotus pose
00:37:07.16\00:37:12.79
the mudra, the fingers together,
which I don't want to do because
00:37:12.83\00:37:17.33
it means I'm inviting the gods
to come into me. And I think
00:37:17.37\00:37:25.67
most people don't, they don't
know that because just like you
00:37:25.71\00:37:29.61
said they get the surface info,
the manual, (right) but they
00:37:29.64\00:37:34.22
don't get the foundation.
00:37:34.25\00:37:35.58
They don't know the foundation,
they don't know the true power
00:37:35.62\00:37:40.29
of this practice. And it is
dangerous, you know Swamis warn
00:37:40.32\00:37:47.16
against it. Again we have
a commercialized bastardized
00:37:47.20\00:37:49.76
version of it here in America
and it might be a blessing that
00:37:49.80\00:37:51.97
it is that way, but
nonetheless it's a gateway and a
00:37:52.00\00:37:55.30
steppingstone to something much
deeper. So I went from being you
00:37:55.34\00:37:57.37
know an exercisaholic with yoga
to a faithful ashram you know
00:37:57.41\00:38:07.22
taking six weeks of my life
to go study away from my family
00:38:07.25\00:38:11.32
I was really invested in it.
And then seeking deeper meaning
00:38:11.35\00:38:16.59
and said like mentioned
the mudras, the finger yoga and
00:38:16.62\00:38:20.50
interestingly enough when I
realized what I was doing and I
00:38:20.53\00:38:27.20
tried to walk away from it I
threw everything out. Then at
00:38:27.24\00:38:31.31
that point is when I started
to have these weird kind of
00:38:31.34\00:38:37.08
supernatural things starting
to happen to me. (Like what?)
00:38:37.11\00:38:39.41
So for instance, you know I'm
also an avid runner and cyclist
00:38:39.45\00:38:46.15
so I would always stretch out my
hips and I was in a particular
00:38:46.19\00:38:50.26
pose called Baddha Konasana can
or cobbler's pose where you put
00:38:50.29\00:38:52.59
the soles of your feet together
and you allow your knees to fall
00:38:52.63\00:38:55.66
to the side. And I had been
sleeping like that stretching
00:38:55.70\00:38:58.93
out my hips and I also had
myself in a propped position
00:38:58.97\00:39:03.17
something that I learned in
therapeutic yoga. And again this
00:39:03.20\00:39:06.94
is me saying well now I'm
Christian and saved. I know the
00:39:06.98\00:39:09.74
dangers. I won't go to class but
I'll still do certain stretches.
00:39:09.78\00:39:12.95
And before I could fall asleep
there was something pulling on
00:39:12.98\00:39:19.55
my legs. Visceral, like (you
could literally feel the pull)
00:39:19.59\00:39:26.53
literally feel something pulling
on my legs and I started praying
00:39:26.56\00:39:28.00
fervently, you know, God, Jesus
the blood of Christ be on you,
00:39:28.03\00:39:32.57
you know, I rebuke you, whatever
this is. And things like that
00:39:32.60\00:39:35.37
started to unfold. And I called
Doctor, not doctor, but Pastor
00:39:35.40\00:39:41.28
Lomacang and I said there is
just something really strange
00:39:41.31\00:39:44.28
happening. And he said, well you
have opened the doorway and he
00:39:44.31\00:39:48.25
said, Have you gotten rid of
everything? I said, yes. So this
00:39:48.28\00:39:50.79
went on for months, like six
months. And one day I called him
00:39:50.82\00:39:54.72
because another event had
happened and he says to me,
00:39:54.76\00:39:58.43
there's something still there,
there's something still there.
00:39:58.46\00:40:00.70
So we prayed and I went to my
room on my side of the bed and
00:40:00.73\00:40:04.03
I prayed with he and Angela and
he said, in his prayer, he said,
00:40:04.07\00:40:08.90
reveal to her the force. And
right in that moment, I wasn't
00:40:08.94\00:40:13.27
really conscious of it but I can
envision my bachelor's chest,
00:40:13.31\00:40:17.75
the nightstand with a keepsake
box where I held like the
00:40:17.78\00:40:22.78
bracelets from my children's
births and you know their little
00:40:22.82\00:40:26.12
name tags from their bassinet
and in that little keepsake was
00:40:26.15\00:40:32.33
a mudra book, a little
mudra book. And when I opened it
00:40:32.36\00:40:38.43
I just kind of said, I can't
believe this. You know and I
00:40:38.47\00:40:42.74
called him immediately and
I said look what I found. And
00:40:42.77\00:40:47.88
interestingly the mudra that
I had bookmarked I left it open
00:40:47.91\00:40:51.81
and it was a mudra that it's
supposed to unleash power from
00:40:51.85\00:41:01.39
the root the rubadia chakra
and so and it describes all
00:41:01.42\00:41:10.27
kinds of things that could
come with it. And I just said, I
00:41:10.30\00:41:13.87
can't believe I did this. I
burned it. I didn't even want to
00:41:13.90\00:41:15.60
throw it in the trash because I
didn't want someone else to come
00:41:15.64\00:41:18.24
across it. (right) But this
stuff has power, it really does.
00:41:18.27\00:41:22.18
It attracts, what people
don't realize that you can have
00:41:22.21\00:41:25.71
something in your house that
will attract demons. And that's
00:41:25.75\00:41:29.75
what...And you don't even know
if that's the case. But it gives
00:41:29.78\00:41:33.86
them permission to come in.
00:41:33.89\00:41:36.69
Absolutely. And you know I
was doubtful of that. Because
00:41:36.73\00:41:40.86
sometimes as Christians, we'll
say I'll accept Jesus but I'm
00:41:40.90\00:41:43.40
not going to even you know begin
to say that there's devils and
00:41:43.43\00:41:48.37
demons and these things. But the
Bible says we fight against not
00:41:48.40\00:41:52.17
flesh but what? (That's right)
Right? So here we are fighting
00:41:52.21\00:41:56.44
against principalities and
they show up. If you allow them
00:41:56.48\00:41:58.91
they'll walk right in. (That's
right) And if you don't know the
00:41:58.95\00:42:03.49
word and if you don't have the
counsel and the elders to help
00:42:03.52\00:42:07.09
you through it,
you could spiral out.
00:42:07.12\00:42:09.96
So how did you know to
call Pastor John and Angie?
00:42:09.99\00:42:14.00
You know, we've been building
a friendship and now we're like
00:42:14.03\00:42:18.87
family. And you know through
COVID I came back to Christ.
00:42:18.90\00:42:23.91
Tell us about that.
00:42:23.94\00:42:25.87
Sure. Again I was searching for
meaning trying to reconnect with
00:42:25.91\00:42:30.11
my father and end this 12-year
grief. And you know I'd gotten
00:42:30.15\00:42:34.68
into yoga and all these things
and and my world was just...it
00:42:34.72\00:42:38.79
seemed to be fine. You know I
didn't need for anything. I was
00:42:38.82\00:42:42.99
able to get whatever I wanted
at my fingertips any time that I
00:42:43.02\00:42:48.00
needed it. It wasn't a big deal.
But when COVID hit I could see
00:42:48.03\00:42:52.73
the writing on the wall and I
said, Oh, oh, we're going to get
00:42:52.77\00:42:55.80
shut down. And being a yoga
instructor I knew, you know,
00:42:55.84\00:42:59.37
that gyms were going to close
down. So I said I know what I
00:42:59.41\00:43:02.88
need. A Peloton bike. So I got
a Peloton and I was, you know,
00:43:02.91\00:43:08.85
one of the first to do it. And
I just thought I'm going to ride
00:43:08.88\00:43:13.72
through the storm. Literally, I
was going to ride the storm out.
00:43:13.76\00:43:16.06
And so that lasted for about
four months and then things got
00:43:16.09\00:43:20.20
really nasty. You know if you
recall the COVID environment, it
00:43:20.23\00:43:24.13
was black lives matter, it
was arguing from this extreme to
00:43:24.17\00:43:28.57
that extreme and there was
just controversy and conspiracy
00:43:28.60\00:43:33.98
everywhere. And whenever I
looked at the news it was just
00:43:34.01\00:43:38.78
dismal. And I didn't know
what was going to happen. And I
00:43:38.81\00:43:42.88
literally started to have fear
just fill me and I started to
00:43:42.92\00:43:50.36
experience anxiety. And that
anxiety was crippling and it
00:43:50.39\00:43:54.96
made me indecisive and unsure
of myself. And I've always been
00:43:55.00\00:43:58.20
confident. I've never had issues
when it came to that. But this
00:43:58.23\00:44:02.14
was like a chemical disability.
And there was nothing I could do
00:44:02.17\00:44:06.68
I couldn't even muster up the
energy to do a yoga practice or
00:44:06.71\00:44:13.21
anything like that. And it
literally brought me to my knees
00:44:13.25\00:44:16.85
and I started to pray. I took
my little travel Bible and I
00:44:16.89\00:44:20.09
hid myself in the closet and
every day I prayed. I said just
00:44:20.12\00:44:22.86
God take this grief from
me. And every day I prayed for
00:44:22.89\00:44:26.86
discernment. I said God help me,
help me see clearly, help me see
00:44:26.90\00:44:30.27
things, please. And it stripped
me down to the barest thing
00:44:30.30\00:44:35.04
you know. There in my luxury
closet with every brand name you
00:44:35.07\00:44:39.51
can imagine. None of it meant
anything. None of that's going
00:44:39.54\00:44:45.38
to rescue you (that's right)
There in our multimillion-dollar
00:44:45.41\00:44:49.05
home it felt like a hole. It did
not fill me. And unfortunately I
00:44:49.08\00:44:56.83
was so anxious and so scared
that I couldn't even appreciate
00:44:56.86\00:45:02.90
the most beautiful gifts that
I have which are my husband and
00:45:02.93\00:45:05.70
my children. Just looking at
them made me fearful. You know
00:45:05.73\00:45:10.81
because I was like what's going
to happen to them? Everything
00:45:10.84\00:45:13.44
felt out of control. And my
niece had moved in with us. She
00:45:13.48\00:45:19.98
was there going on three years.
She had moved in from New York
00:45:20.02\00:45:24.45
She came to do a post back to
get her medical degree. And she
00:45:24.49\00:45:29.06
had done Sabbath by herself,
worship for three years by
00:45:29.09\00:45:32.29
herself. And she says
00:45:32.33\00:45:34.66
to me, you know, she invited me
again, do you want to worship?
00:45:34.70\00:45:37.37
And I said sure. And so the
pastor that she was watching,
00:45:37.40\00:45:41.50
kind of a rogue Adventist and
it made me even more fearful. He
00:45:41.54\00:45:44.74
was feeding the flame. And I
said, I can't do this. Can we
00:45:44.77\00:45:47.58
we find someone else. She goes
Oh, there's this guy. I've seen
00:45:47.61\00:45:51.81
him before. I've watched
his series on Spirits Unclean,
00:45:51.85\00:45:55.95
Unclean Spirits. And that's
how we found Lomacang. And we
00:45:55.98\00:46:01.32
watched him for a year straight.
My mother, my two kids, my niece
00:46:01.36\00:46:04.03
I have three journals full
of his sermons. And he helped
00:46:04.06\00:46:10.77
sanctify us, he helped bring us
back. And so I'm really thankful
00:46:10.80\00:46:14.64
that 3ABN was there, you know,
to shine the light, for a lost
00:46:14.67\00:46:20.01
soul such as myself.
00:46:20.04\00:46:21.64
The Holy Spirit used him
(absolutely) to draw. He was a
00:46:21.68\00:46:26.92
vessel.
00:46:26.95\00:46:28.28
And I emailed him and said we're
ready to get baptized. And I
00:46:28.32\00:46:31.95
never heard from him for a year.
00:46:31.99\00:46:33.39
Really, for one year!?
00:46:33.42\00:46:35.79
For one year. I think his
emails were flooded totally. And
00:46:35.82\00:46:40.23
serendipitously we ran into
each other in Pleasanton. And...
00:46:40.26\00:46:46.57
And you know that was divine...
as my husband would say was it a
00:46:46.60\00:46:49.27
coincidence or divine providence
00:46:49.30\00:46:51.74
It was providence. Absolutely.
We have a picture actually of
00:46:51.77\00:46:56.11
your baptism we need to show.
00:46:56.14\00:46:58.35
Yeah, February of 2020 he
baptized myself and my two
00:46:58.38\00:47:04.95
children.
00:47:04.99\00:47:06.32
Aw, praise the Lord. That
was a wonderful day wasn't it?
00:47:06.35\00:47:11.69
It was glorious. That was a
battle giving that testimony and
00:47:11.73\00:47:15.90
it was difficult actually. A
considerable tremor came over me
00:47:15.93\00:47:24.71
as I started to talk about the
yoga (yes). And it became a very
00:47:24.74\00:47:30.95
spiritual intense battle and I'm
thankful God was there. The Holy
00:47:30.98\00:47:36.08
Spirit was there to see
me through and to let me be
00:47:36.12\00:47:39.05
victorious.
00:47:39.09\00:47:40.42
Amen, amen. And the fact that
you're sharing this you know
00:47:40.46\00:47:43.43
that the enemy is furious
because he doesn't want people
00:47:43.46\00:47:47.10
to know the truth. He can hide
under deceit, deception, you
00:47:47.13\00:47:54.80
know that's what he does. And
so for you to come out and say
00:47:54.84\00:47:58.87
get away from it. Just don't
even do...What about...okay two
00:47:58.91\00:48:04.25
things. One thing is Christian
yoga and the other is just
00:48:04.28\00:48:10.42
stretching. (Yeah) So first
let's go with stretching. What's
00:48:10.45\00:48:15.82
the difference
between yoga and stretching?
00:48:15.86\00:48:18.46
Well again yoga is an arm
of Hinduism and it is like the
00:48:18.49\00:48:26.33
medicinal, physical practice.
So if you has say some sort of
00:48:26.37\00:48:34.34
surgery, pneumonia, or something
the doctor will give you a
00:48:34.38\00:48:37.78
little breathing device
and you'll have to exercise and
00:48:37.81\00:48:40.25
inflate those muscles to recover
them you know as part of your
00:48:40.28\00:48:44.15
therapeutic practice to recovery
(right) And so again the vedics
00:48:44.19\00:48:48.62
they believe that this is
something that you do in order
00:48:48.66\00:48:51.73
to achieve enlightenment and an
altered state of consciousness.
00:48:51.76\00:48:55.36
That's very different
than stretching. Stretching is
00:48:55.40\00:48:57.77
essential, it's healthy, it's
key. You can do it any kind of
00:48:57.80\00:49:03.20
number of ways. It doesn't have
to be yoga. For some reason now
00:49:03.24\00:49:05.47
yoga's synonymous with
stretching. But before yoga came
00:49:05.51\00:49:10.81
to this world, you know people
were stretching. (right) You
00:49:10.85\00:49:14.02
think of gymnasts, you think of
dancers, you know. They're able
00:49:14.05\00:49:16.82
to do that without having
to do a disciplined yoga class.
00:49:16.85\00:49:21.49
And I think that's what people
need to know. Stretching is fine
00:49:21.52\00:49:24.49
it's when you introduce
meditation, breathing, the mind/
00:49:24.53\00:49:28.66
body connection (right),
enlightenment all of those terms
00:49:28.70\00:49:32.30
that's when you start saying
okay, it's not just stretching.
00:49:32.33\00:49:35.47
But just, you know, stretching
and also the sequences like the
00:49:35.50\00:49:41.54
surya namaskar, the sun
worship where you go through
00:49:41.58\00:49:45.58
this whole series of movements
(Yeah, sun salutation) yeah sun
00:49:45.61\00:49:52.25
salutation and it is...and
people see and they're like oh
00:49:52.29\00:49:59.53
well that doesn't...you know
I can do that. You know they're
00:49:59.56\00:50:02.40
doing the movements in sequence
and that is a worship of the sun
00:50:02.43\00:50:07.80
It's a devotional.
00:50:07.84\00:50:09.17
It's a devotional. It's a moving
liturgy to the sun god (right).
00:50:09.20\00:50:12.67
And so if people actually
knew which...today, now you know
00:50:12.71\00:50:20.28
you know then, now you have
to make a decision and if it's
00:50:20.32\00:50:24.95
really hard for you to make that
decision and if you don't want
00:50:24.99\00:50:28.22
to let it go you really need
to look at that (right). How
00:50:28.26\00:50:32.49
important is it to you? (right)
Is it more important than Jesus?
00:50:32.53\00:50:36.16
Well and I think that's
what's happening with the whole
00:50:36.20\00:50:38.23
Christian yoga movement, you
know, is that people like myself
00:50:38.27\00:50:42.34
who are finding oh, oh, I've
been entangled with darkness
00:50:42.37\00:50:46.78
they're addicted to the practice
of it and they've forgotten how
00:50:46.81\00:50:50.58
to just move their body and
relieve their tension without
00:50:50.61\00:50:54.32
this, you know, worship series.
And so they try to justify these
00:50:54.35\00:51:00.89
movements but all their doing is
replacing the names and adding
00:51:00.92\00:51:04.69
scriptures to it. So prayer pose
or prayer warrior is the new
00:51:04.73\00:51:11.40
name instead of warrior 1,
warrior 2, warrior 3. And it
00:51:11.43\00:51:16.54
doesn't matter how you change
the name if you see a cat, it's
00:51:16.57\00:51:19.97
still, a cat, even if I call
it holy cat, it's still a cat.
00:51:20.01\00:51:25.15
(true) You got to be careful you
know because again well-meaning
00:51:25.18\00:51:29.75
people can mislead you. Not
everybody is dark and after you
00:51:29.78\00:51:33.12
they just don't know any better.
00:51:33.15\00:51:34.86
That is so true. You cannot just
change the name and think that
00:51:34.89\00:51:41.46
now it's a new thing. It's not.
(mm-hum) It's just a repackaged
00:51:41.50\00:51:47.00
It's paganism,
it's still an idol.
00:51:47.04\00:51:50.87
It's repackaged paganism. Yes,
and so we have to be aware of
00:51:50.91\00:51:56.91
what we're doing at all times.
And know that the devil is
00:51:56.95\00:52:01.25
really trying to deceive and
like trip and trap us into this
00:52:01.28\00:52:08.59
and trip us up. (right) And so
you know we have to be aware of
00:52:08.62\00:52:13.46
that and the word, if we just
stay in the word we can know
00:52:13.50\00:52:18.97
which way to go and how to
navigate. We're going to take a
00:52:19.00\00:52:23.61
quick break and we're going
to be back momentarily so don't
00:52:23.64\00:52:27.48
change that dial, stay
with us. We'll be right back.
00:52:27.51\00:52:30.78