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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn.
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I'm J.D. Quinn.
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and we are excited that you're
joining us because today we will
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be introducing a new program,
an innovative new program, (mm,
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there you go) from Andrews
University. But this is going to
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be part Bible study, part
talking about the program and I
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just wanted to start off with
a scripture. In Acts chapter two
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we see the early converts to
Christianity, all of these Jews
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who had come together and who
were so used to kind of keeping
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themselves at a distance from
others. All of a sudden they're
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coming together, they've
received the Holy Spirit and
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here's what it says. I'm in Acts
2:46: Continuing daily with one
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accord in the temple and
breaking bread from house to
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house, they ate their food with
gladness and simplicity of heart
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praising God and having favor
with all the people and as they
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went about spreading the good
news, practicing for the first
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time social innovation look what
it says: The Lord added to the
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church daily those who were
being saved. Here's my question
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for you. Is your church growing
or is it a social club? Are you
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a young person who is asking,
God what do you want to do with
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my life. How can I make a
difference in my community. Or
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maybe you're a pastor or you're
an elder or you're a conference
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leader but you're someone who's
saying I'm tired of playing
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church. I don't want it to be
a social club anymore. I want to
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let the people in my community
know who this loving God I serve
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is and I want to meet their
needs. Well this program is for
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you. This is such an exciting
program. I'm going to introduce
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today we have four doctors in
the house. They are leaders of
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of the leadership program at
Andrews University. I'm going
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to introduce them but I'll let
each one of them give me their
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title because I don't want
to have to be reading this.
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Dr. Randy Siebold, so
good to have you here.
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Good to be here again.
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And what is your position
with the leadership program?
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Yeah, well with the leadership
program I am the director of the
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Doctor of Leadership Program.
(All right) There's another
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doctoral program which we'll get
to in a minute but this one is
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kind of the
practitioner's doctorate.
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Okay and is this a
master's program or...
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Doctoral program.
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It is a doctoral program.
Okay so you...Okay! And then we
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have Dr. Sung
Kwon... (Hello ma'am)
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All right Let me say that. I
love the name and I messed it up
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Sung Kwon. (Yes) That's so
melodic. And Dr. Sung Kwon what
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do you do with the
leadership program?
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I'm associate professor of
the department of leadership and
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also director of MA,
new Master of Arts degree in
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leadership in social innovation
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Oh and so that's what we're
going to be talking about is
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leadership and social innovation
It's a new master's program at
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Andrews and it's a beauty. Then
we have Dr. Bordes Henry-Saturne
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How'd I do that?
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You have done a great job.
Bordes Henry-Saturne (Laughter)
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Henry, I said it right. (claps)
Bordes, we are so pleased to
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have you here and what is your
position with the leadership
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program?
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Well I've been called to serve
as the chair of the leadership
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department and it is an exciting
opportunity to prepare leaders
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for our church, for communities,
even for public institutions. We
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have three main programs
in our department. We prepare
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principals and superintendents
and we have been doing that for
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many, many years for the
education side and that's
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what we call the
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educational leadership program.
And we have masters and doctoral
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program for those leaders. We
have also the higher education
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administration program where
we prepare leaders to serve our
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colleges and universities; those
who wish to serve as deans,
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department chairs, college vice
presidents university presidents
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so they are part of the higher
education program. (Amen) And
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finally, we have what we call
the leadership program which is
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broader and I'm sure that my
good colleague and friend Erich
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will tell you a little more
about that. But we have, they
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will prepare ministers or
prepare business people, health
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care leaders, anyone who wants
to make a difference in the
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community and to be witnesses
in the marketplace. They might
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work for the church or they
might work in the community but
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all of them are getting prepared
to serve as leaders in the
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community.
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Amen. Bordes, I love your
Texas accent. (French phrase)
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(French phrase in return) I'm
originally from Haiti and I did
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my graduate studies in
France as well and in New York.
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Well it is beautiful and then
now we have one more that you'll
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notice is not from Texas and
that's Dr. Erich Baumgartner and
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we are so glad that you're with
us today Erich. Tell us what you
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do with the leadership program.
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I am the director of the Ph.D.
in leadership program which was
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the original leadership program
that started in 19, dare I say,
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94. That was over 25 years ago
now and at the time was one of
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the most innovative doctoral
programs because it was not
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course based but it was
competency-based so we took
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people from wherever they
came and then before they could
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graduate they actually had to
prove to us that they could do
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it in a competent way. And out
of that many other programs have
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spawned and the latest program
is now the masters in leading
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social innovation.
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Okay so let's break this down.
And it's exciting that it's a
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master's program but what is
social innovation? Talk to us
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about that first.
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Well I can just start because I
love social innovation and to me
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it's just mind-blowing
especially for the church and
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this is, to me it's about
blessing. Like how do you become
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a blessing to your community and
how do you reach the community
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in a way in which it makes sense
to them. Now I'll pass it over
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to my buddy Sung Kwon. He's
going to do it a little bit more
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academically. He's
the master at this. (Okay)
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Well I believe our Lord Jesus
Christ was a radical social
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innovator. He turned the
world upside down and He made a
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difference in people's lives
and transformed the community.
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And so our master's degree of
leadership in social innovation
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is designed to do just that. So
we will equip the participants
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with competencies to create new
values in our society based on
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the kingdom values and
principles, of course, but we
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will focus on three major
components. First, how to become
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a social entrepreneur, second
social advocacy and third-social
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services. So the program
is designed to transition from
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relief to reform and charity to
restorative justice (whew!) for
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the kingdom of God.
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Wow. That's exciting. So
how did this program begin?
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How far back do we go? I don't
know. Here's what I would start
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with and I would pass it over to
Erich. We've been thinking about
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this is an undergraduate program
We threw some initial ideas
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around to get some collaboration
with people across campus and it
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didn't full out into an
undergrad program. But we kept
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talking about it. This is of so
much value. How can we get this
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started? And so okay we're busy
right now but one of the next
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things we want to do is we
want to start by moving into a
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master's degree in social
innovation. Had a bunch of
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things going on but we've got to
do that. We're just crazy busy.
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And so I would just go over to
Erich and talk about his morning
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conversation.
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All right now hang on one second
Here's my question. When you're
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talking about all the blessings
that this program teaches people
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how to institute, initiate and
do is it a fair statement to say
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there's a lot of people who have
their degree in ministry or they
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have other things, but they're
leaders of the church, you may
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be a leader in your community or
a leader in the church, would it
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be fair to say that they were
not previously trained in this
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way to lead?
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That's an interesting question
that, excuse me, I was trained
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as a theologian and when I
went back to Austria, I began to
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realize something, that even
my best theological training did
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not teach me how to read people
in the society that I lived in.
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(That's good) In Austria we
have one of the most Catholic
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societies in history. They
consider themselves basically
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the protectors of the pope
so to say. So how do you bring
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the gospel in that kind of a
context when most people are not
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trying to leave the church
in order to avoid paying church
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taxes. And it's that kind
of thinking...How do I read the
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community, what are the needs
that need to be addressed so
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that we can show God's love in
a relevant and in a tangible way
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That is part of
social innovation.
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Okay, so...go ahead.
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Oh, yes. I believe that ministry
has to be not church to our
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community but church with the
community. Because Jesus moved
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into our neighborhood,
incarnational ministry and
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through that incarnational
engagement He was able to
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provide contextual ministry,
relevant ministry physically,
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socially, mentally and
spiritually relevant. But he was
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not focusing on having a program
in the four walls of the church.
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The programmed church tends to
focus on what happens inside the
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four walls. But Jesus was about
what happens outside of the four
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walls in transforming
lives in the community, with the
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community. Social innovation
program is designed to equip
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participants how to engage whole
communities to transform so it's
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not church to but church with.
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I love that. So continue on.
There were some miracles in the
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early days of this...
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Again I would start...just go
right back. Erich your walk with
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the Lord and that phone call
to Sung Kwon and it started...we
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had some dreams. We wanted to do
this but there was just no way,
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no time, no money, you know
all the barriers. Right. (Yeah)
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You remember what happened with
COVID-19. We were all wearing
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masks, we were at home, we
watched church from afar and
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then one day I was asked to
actually, teach Sabbath School
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so that it could be taped and
broadcast. So I went to church.
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So I dressed up, got into
the car closed the door. Was now
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safe. Walk out. Pushed the car
out, drove over to the church,
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and I was safe in my car, right?
I came to the church parking lot
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and went into the safe bubble
where everything was fine and
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then I did my thing, was taped.
As soon as I did not speak I had
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my mask on and so and I was safe
I was isolated. And it dawned on
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me one day as I was thinking
about what was happening
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basically every Sabbath even
when I'm not with COVID-19 how
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isolated I am from the typical
community. (Oh yeah) And I was
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talking to the Lord about it and
I said, Lord, we wanted to do
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this social innovation program
but it's not going anywhere. And
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I've just heard that Sung
Kwon is free to come to Andrews
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University. He has been working
for 20 years for the North
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American Division but they
didn't reelect him. This would
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be a great opportunity. How
can we do this because Andrews
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University was not hiring
anybody and they had told us in
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so many words there's no
hiring. As a matter of fact
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they have taken
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positions away. And I was
talking to the...and you know
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when you walk and it's dark you
talk all kinds of things to the
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Lord. And I said to the
Lord, Lord, I know you can do
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something about that. And in
that moment it flashed into my
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mind that we wanted to do this
social innovation program and
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there was Sung Kwon. Well
why don't you ask him if he is
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willing to come But Lord, we
don't have any money. We cannot
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hire him. I cannot offer him a
position. How do I do that? Well
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just ask him. Maybe he can raise
his own money And literally, I
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went home and I felt under
the obligation to call Sung. And
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Sung, you remember that moment
and I basically was saying Sung
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I have no position, nothing
has changed but I have an idea.
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Would you be willing to just
listen to the idea? We wanted to
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start a innovation program.
Would you consider raising the
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money so that we can get it
started, because if we raise the
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money Andrews can't say no.
(Chuckles all around) And so he
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said I'm very honored that you
would be thinking of me. Let me
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talk to my wife. Now when
somebody says to me, let me talk
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to my wife, that means you know
give me a week to think about
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it. (Laughter) Two hours later
I get a text: My wife and I we
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talked we prayed and we're
ready to follow the vision.
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Wow! (Amen) Wow. You know I mean
first of all how many times has
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somebody called you and said,
Hey, you want a job? Well raise
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the money for it. (That's right)
But so the same fire that God
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was putting in Erich's belly He
obviously put in yours. Tell us
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about that.
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Well ma'am I have privilege to
serve at North American Division
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as the director of Adventist
Community Services over 20 years
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It's privilege. I don't know
how to describe it. But when you
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serve as a department director
over 20 years you need some
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transition because you need
additional you know new ideas,
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new leadership to continue that
journey because this is God's
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ministry, it's not my department
So we were looking for a
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transition, pray about it, and
God actually took care of that
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transition. So I was
not reelected and so we were
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trusting God because you see
my wife and I we were converted
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back in 1991. My wife Buddhist
and her entire family Buddhist
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My mother's side of family
Buddhist and my father's side of
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the family Catholic, we became
Adventist. And then we went to
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study theology at Columbia Union
College and shortly after we
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were convinced God was calling
us to ministry so we went to
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Dayton, Ohio working on local
Adventist Community Services for
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eight years. Then we came to
division 10 years later after we
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were baptized. So we see
God's hand all along. So we were
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trusting God's, He is a faithful
God, amazing God you know.
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(Amen) So we didn't have
any doubt that He would continue
00:19:10.58\00:19:14.65
you know lead us to a place
where we need to be. And we had
00:19:14.68\00:19:17.75
a few propositions and offers
and you know opportunities to
00:19:17.79\00:19:22.76
consider but we felt this is not
God's calling you know. So we
00:19:22.79\00:19:29.36
were having a prayer, God where
do you want us to go? Just send
00:19:29.40\00:19:34.74
send us email, text message will
be fine or even phone call would
00:19:34.77\00:19:40.08
be acceptable. Just let us know.
And shortly after phone rang.
00:19:40.11\00:19:46.45
Dr. Baumgartner on the other
side of the phone and offering
00:19:46.48\00:19:52.29
me this great opportunity, see.
And then he was very apologetic
00:19:52.32\00:19:56.56
(laughter) we don't have
any money, we don't have any
00:19:56.59\00:20:01.63
you know confirm of
the position and all.
00:20:01.66\00:20:05.30
We have an idea.
00:20:05.33\00:20:06.70
Yeah, we have an idea.
00:20:06.74\00:20:08.07
But it's a
God-born idea and so...
00:20:08.10\00:20:10.94
It was God's message. To me
a dream is not something that
00:20:10.97\00:20:17.91
we can accomplish. Dream
is something that we cannot
00:20:17.95\00:20:21.55
accomplish
00:20:21.58\00:20:22.92
unless God intervenes. (Amen)
We can accomplish, that's our
00:20:22.95\00:20:26.82
program and that's the plan
and God is not interested in our
00:20:26.86\00:20:30.09
program. And he was very
apologetic about the financial
00:20:30.13\00:20:33.40
you know concern. But we felt,
my wife and I felt God is the
00:20:33.43\00:20:37.57
creator of the entire universe
God has a thousand ways to solve
00:20:37.60\00:20:43.24
the challenges. To me the
financial problem was the last
00:20:43.27\00:20:45.27
thing that we need to worry
about. We need to follow God's
00:20:45.31\00:20:49.64
vision, God's will. What does
God want us to do through our
00:20:49.68\00:20:53.28
life in creating this new
degree program? So we were just
00:20:53.31\00:20:58.72
excited, you know, the
possibilities, how we can equip
00:20:58.75\00:21:02.42
and develop and educate pastors
and the church members to
00:21:02.46\00:21:06.19
become innovators, through
the social entrepreneurship
00:21:06.23\00:21:11.10
and advocacy and services.
00:21:11.13\00:21:12.80
So we said, we're going
to step forward with faith
00:21:12.83\00:21:17.74
and God has been faithful with
us, we'll be faithful with His
00:21:17.77\00:21:20.68
call. So that was the
beginning of our journey.
00:21:20.71\00:21:23.78
Sung, I think we need to
also say now that God, in a
00:21:23.81\00:21:31.32
miraculous way really provided
the money. (He did) There was an
00:21:31.35\00:21:34.62
Adventist foundation that has
never given money to a degree
00:21:34.66\00:21:39.53
program (yes) but they do give
money to projects. But when they
00:21:39.56\00:21:43.26
heard about the vision they said
please apply. (yes) And so we
00:21:43.30\00:21:47.70
applied and in early December
they had their meeting and they
00:21:47.74\00:21:52.77
gave us the money. (Yeah)
00:21:52.81\00:21:54.64
And within a month it was
200 thousand dollars. It's not
00:21:54.68\00:22:00.22
10 thousand, 40 thousand, 200
thousand. In fact the foundation
00:22:00.25\00:22:04.69
is offering a matching fund, 100
thousand dollars if we raise 50
00:22:04.72\00:22:09.19
thousand. So if we have
any donors out there willing to
00:22:09.22\00:22:12.69
support this new innovative
degree, yeah, we need to raise
00:22:12.73\00:22:16.00
50 thousand, they would
match by the foundation for 100
00:22:16.03\00:22:19.97
thousand.
00:22:20.00\00:22:21.34
Wow! That's a call to action
if you're out there. It doesn't
00:22:21.37\00:22:24.47
have to be that you would be
the donor of the entire amount
00:22:24.51\00:22:28.94
but...we're going to put up an
address roll. If you say, Lord
00:22:28.98\00:22:33.75
this is what we've been waiting
for is to train our leaders, to
00:22:33.78\00:22:38.85
train the people in our
community, Christians, to go out
00:22:38.89\00:22:43.19
and turn the world upside down
you can contact them and you can
00:22:43.22\00:22:49.43
participate as a donor. But
I have to say two things real
00:22:49.46\00:22:53.13
quickly. First I love...we've
met your beautiful wife. I love
00:22:53.17\00:22:59.27
the fact that everything you
talk about is we. That's the way
00:22:59.31\00:23:03.24
we operate. Everything we do
together. But the second thing
00:23:03.28\00:23:09.68
is you know this is a God idea
because you're thinking outside
00:23:09.72\00:23:13.49
the box. You know as you said,
when we go in into our business
00:23:13.52\00:23:18.59
meetings we say well we don't
have the budget for that or that
00:23:18.63\00:23:22.00
I think God His heart's broken
that we won't trust Him for the
00:23:22.03\00:23:27.84
money. So you got this funding.
Is it for a year, the 200
00:23:27.87\00:23:32.87
thousand was that for a year
or what are we looking at? Are
00:23:32.91\00:23:35.61
we looking at more money
coming in as people enroll then?
00:23:35.64\00:23:39.15
That is to start
the program really.
00:23:39.18\00:23:43.18
Okay, to start the program.
00:23:43.22\00:23:44.55
And as student come in they are
going to pay tuition and you'll
00:23:44.59\00:23:47.72
be able to support the program.
A lot of donors we are pretty
00:23:47.76\00:23:51.26
sure are going to join the
effort and support the program.
00:23:51.29\00:23:55.53
Because when you look around in
our communities, in our churches
00:23:55.56\00:23:57.63
for example, you see all
of young people, young adults,
00:23:57.67\00:24:01.20
maybe they have a good job,
maybe they have a good business
00:24:01.24\00:24:04.11
but they feel in their hearts
that they need to do something
00:24:04.14\00:24:06.88
special for God. How do I
do that? I have the desire.
00:24:06.91\00:24:14.22
Oh yes. If you come to
00:24:14.25\00:24:15.58
this program you're going to
know how to do the budget, how
00:24:15.62\00:24:17.55
to develop a strategic plan. You
are going to know how to work
00:24:17.59\00:24:21.39
with different people, how to
reach out to foundations and so
00:24:21.42\00:24:25.89
on. That way you'll be able
to make a difference in that
00:24:25.93\00:24:29.83
community. When you look you see
there are young people without
00:24:29.86\00:24:33.34
a job like you know the prophet
Samuel in the old time when he
00:24:33.37\00:24:37.04
saw so many young people were
wrong. He m said I'm going to
00:24:37.07\00:24:39.67
open the school of the prophets.
That was social innovation. You
00:24:39.71\00:24:43.24
look at Dorcas, you look around
the community, see people in
00:24:43.28\00:24:46.88
need. I'm going to give
them clothes. Clothing. That was
00:24:46.92\00:24:51.19
social innovation. Same thing
here. We see a lot of issues
00:24:51.22\00:24:55.99
from the environment, from
young people looking for jobs,
00:24:56.02\00:25:00.00
from people facing all kinds
of issues. If you find a way to
00:25:00.03\00:25:06.57
know how to develop a plan,
so that it's not only an idea
00:25:06.60\00:25:10.71
or desire but how to make it
reality and that's how we see a
00:25:10.74\00:25:15.61
miracle when God sent us Dr.
Sung Kwon. Because when he took
00:25:15.64\00:25:21.25
the NAD community services
20 years ago, maybe you can tell
00:25:21.28\00:25:24.55
about that. It was your mission
that you were going to make it
00:25:24.59\00:25:27.46
something
different. Tell us about that.
00:25:27.49\00:25:29.96
God has blessed us tremendously
over 20 years of the journey.
00:25:29.99\00:25:33.63
Adventist Community Services
was more of the church based
00:25:33.66\00:25:38.20
ministry. We are known as the
Dorcas Society and we had about
00:25:38.23\00:25:43.74
125 centers throughout the North
American Division. But after 20
00:25:43.77\00:25:48.41
years we were able to expand 125
centers to over 1400 ACS centers
00:25:48.44\00:25:56.32
(wow) throughout the North
American Division and we had
00:25:56.35\00:26:00.16
only two mission of focus,
disaster response and inner city
00:26:00.19\00:26:04.13
but we have expanded the scope
of service over seven different
00:26:04.16\00:26:08.80
ministries including urban
ministry, older adult ministry
00:26:08.83\00:26:13.60
tutoring and mentoring and the
youth emergency services so that
00:26:13.64\00:26:20.08
we...it's no more of the church
based ministry but community
00:26:20.11\00:26:23.65
based ministry. And our ACS
ministry became actually ACS
00:26:23.68\00:26:29.12
International in 2010 and
other divisions have adopted ACS
00:26:29.15\00:26:34.79
ministry as domestic
program, how to reach out to the
00:26:34.82\00:26:39.56
community. And they all
felt the true success in
00:26:39.59\00:26:44.13
my humble opinion
00:26:44.17\00:26:45.50
as Ellen G. White said in
Ministry of Healing p. 143
00:26:45.53\00:26:48.80
To me, that is a journey. It's
developing a relationship as you
00:27:11.69\00:27:17.27
mingle with the people. You earn
your trust as you serve people
00:27:17.30\00:27:22.30
their need, holistic need,
physically, mentally, socially
00:27:22.34\00:27:26.51
and spiritually. You will earn
the privilege to share the good
00:27:26.54\00:27:30.55
news of salvation that you have.
And that is exactly what this
00:27:30.58\00:27:35.38
program is about, how to serve
people through the life on life
00:27:35.42\00:27:43.59
evangelism.
00:27:43.63\00:27:44.96
Amen. People don't care what you
know until they know how much
00:27:44.99\00:27:47.20
you care. Right?
00:27:47.23\00:27:48.56
Exactly. I mean, Aristotle said
we have to have logos, which is
00:27:48.60\00:27:53.67
head, faith but the logos, have
faith must be connected to your
00:27:53.70\00:27:58.31
pathos, heart faith, and their
heart faith must be connected
00:27:58.34\00:28:01.74
to our ethos, our life. So our
Christianity has to be not only
00:28:01.78\00:28:06.98
conceptual framework that we
talk about and discuss and study
00:28:07.02\00:28:10.39
but has to be tangible,
recognizable, visible expression
00:28:10.42\00:28:14.92
of God's Kingdom on
earth in our neighbors. (Amen)
00:28:14.96\00:28:19.39
I want to ask you a question
Sung. Where did Jesus learn to
00:28:19.59\00:28:26.33
do just what you read? Namely to
mingle among people, watch what
00:28:26.37\00:28:34.34
was happening, knowing what they
needed. I mean we say needs, but
00:28:34.38\00:28:40.62
how did He know. And sometimes
I have the impression that we
00:28:40.65\00:28:45.12
forget that it took Him 30 years
of actually living among people
00:28:45.15\00:28:49.36
becoming an observer, becoming
known as somebody that was
00:28:49.39\00:28:53.86
always willing to lend a helping
hand and when He was in His
00:28:53.90\00:28:59.87
public ministry, whoa, it was
like a bomb exploding in mercy
00:28:59.90\00:29:06.47
and love. But He learned it and
the social innovation program
00:29:06.51\00:29:11.65
yes we want these things to
happen but I think one thing
00:29:11.68\00:29:16.95
that we really need to emphasize
there's a lot of things to learn
00:29:16.99\00:29:20.26
How do you read a community?
How do you learn where in the
00:29:20.29\00:29:26.49
community the leaders are that
you can approach, that you can
00:29:26.53\00:29:29.96
talk to that are concerned
about things in the community.
00:29:30.00\00:29:34.07
All those things. I mean one
of the blessings for us is that
00:29:34.10\00:29:39.31
here we have a man who for the
last 28 years has done just that
00:29:39.34\00:29:44.65
And he will be the main teacher
in this program to share some of
00:29:44.68\00:29:50.02
these things that are so
necessary for us, for all the
00:29:50.05\00:29:54.12
people that have good ideas and
they want to do something. Well
00:29:54.16\00:29:58.49
how do you get there? We need
people who have the knowledge
00:29:58.53\00:30:03.03
how to do this. And what
fascinates me so about the
00:30:03.06\00:30:08.34
possibility of this program is
you hear so often people talking
00:30:08.37\00:30:14.34
about the intractable problems
of our time you know. Climate
00:30:14.38\00:30:20.22
change. Have you ever seen
in the ocean these islands of
00:30:20.25\00:30:25.52
plastic. (Yes) Well you realize
that you can do something with
00:30:25.55\00:30:29.22
this plastic that you can
actually, sell and there is an
00:30:29.26\00:30:34.10
organization that is doing just
that. They are making blankets
00:30:34.13\00:30:36.60
out of this. And somebody else
I just talked to wants to use it
00:30:36.63\00:30:41.24
as petrol for a big, big project
and I guarantee you when that
00:30:41.27\00:30:47.04
project will come on the scene
you will have it here in the
00:30:47.08\00:30:50.91
program. I am not
allowed to talk about it.
00:30:50.95\00:30:53.42
That's what social innovation is
all about. It's about surprising
00:30:53.45\00:30:59.02
people with God-given solutions
to problems that we thought we
00:30:59.05\00:31:03.12
could not solve.
00:31:03.16\00:31:04.49
Amen, amen. As I mentioned
our program will focus on social
00:31:04.53\00:31:08.66
entrepreneurship, advocacy and
services Social entrepreneurship
00:31:08.70\00:31:13.07
is designed not only to develop
a vegetarian cafe or like earned
00:31:13.10\00:31:21.64
income ministry but let's say
there is a community food desert
00:31:21.68\00:31:25.65
known as a food desert. There's
no grocery store. So we as
00:31:25.68\00:31:29.28
social entrepreneurs will engage
with the community so the local
00:31:29.32\00:31:33.92
people will be empowered how
to establish their own grocery
00:31:33.96\00:31:38.56
store. They own and operate and
able to sustain locally. So this
00:31:38.59\00:31:44.53
is another way as I said before
not church to but church with.
00:31:44.57\00:31:47.97
And then social advocacy, we say
we need to become voice for the
00:31:48.00\00:31:54.34
voiceless. We need to become
defender of people who cannot
00:31:54.38\00:31:57.91
defend themselves. Yes there
is a place and time for that but
00:31:57.95\00:32:01.38
why not? We empower people to
have their own voice. If people
00:32:01.42\00:32:08.42
cannot hear them maybe we need
to create a microphone and hand
00:32:08.46\00:32:11.39
it over to them so that people
can hear them. That's advocacy
00:32:11.43\00:32:15.80
And then social service. It's
not just giving fish which is
00:32:15.83\00:32:21.40
important relief yes
teaching how to fish. Individual
00:32:21.44\00:32:25.57
development, absolutely, but
what if there's no fish in the
00:32:25.61\00:32:29.41
river? What if there's no fish
in the lake? Then we have to
00:32:29.44\00:32:34.18
work with, you know, fishing
industry, environmentalists,
00:32:34.22\00:32:37.32
trying to figure out why there's
no fish. So not only teaching
00:32:37.35\00:32:42.72
people how to fish but
make sure everyone has access to
00:32:42.76\00:32:46.90
their resource. That's the
social services we're trying to
00:32:46.93\00:32:50.57
expand.
00:32:50.60\00:32:51.93
Amen. You know I just wanted to
real quickly...we're talking the
00:32:51.97\00:32:59.64
new master's program, Leadership
in Social Innovation. And I just
00:32:59.67\00:33:03.65
wanted to read some of the
topics that it includes: It's
00:33:03.68\00:33:07.58
Introduction to
Social Innovation, Creating a
00:33:07.62\00:33:12.05
Collective Impact, I like
that. Ministry of Reconciliation
00:33:12.09\00:33:16.86
through Social Innovation,
Leading Social Innovation.
00:33:16.89\00:33:21.50
Budgeting, Fundraising,
and Grantsmanship, Strategic
00:33:21.53\00:33:30.57
Marketing Management. Diversity,
Culture and Leadership,
00:33:30.61\00:33:35.81
Creativity and Innovative
Workshop, and Creative Critical
00:33:35.84\00:33:41.72
Thinking and Problem-Solving.
So you don't have to be in
00:33:41.75\00:33:49.26
ministry to be in ministry. What
I'm saying is you may be...you
00:33:49.29\00:33:55.23
may own a business. You may be
a doctor, you could be someone
00:33:55.26\00:34:00.74
This is an online program isn't
it (Yes it is) you can go online
00:34:00.77\00:34:04.44
online. I mean, how exciting.
There's so many ideas that are
00:34:04.47\00:34:10.41
stillborn. God gives somebody an
idea and they go, Oh yeah that's
00:34:10.45\00:34:15.08
a great idea. I don't know how
to do it. And they don't follow
00:34:15.12\00:34:18.39
it through. But this is the
kind of training that's been
00:34:18.42\00:34:22.36
lacking.
00:34:22.39\00:34:23.86
Can I give you an example of
a social innovation. (Sure) You
00:34:23.89\00:34:26.26
ever heard of this place called
3ABN. (Laughter) You know you go
00:34:26.29\00:34:29.86
back to the story of Danny,
right? You know, this was God's
00:34:29.90\00:34:33.27
idea. It wasn't Danny's idea.
It was God's idea and God said I
00:34:33.30\00:34:37.37
need someone who's faithful.
I need someone who's going to
00:34:37.41\00:34:41.71
listen to me and not look at the
surroundings around them and go
00:34:41.74\00:34:47.48
Oh, this is just impossible.
I can't do it. He wasn't looking
00:34:47.52\00:34:49.95
for that. He was looking for
someone who would say Okay, I'll
00:34:49.98\00:34:53.62
go. How many latent
ideas are out there.
00:34:53.66\00:34:57.43
Someone with a high school
education, someone with no money
00:34:57.46\00:35:01.70
They didn't have two nickels to
rub together. God tells him to
00:35:01.73\00:35:07.90
build a television station that
will reach the world with the
00:35:07.94\00:35:11.57
undiluted three angels' truth
to counteract the counterfeit.
00:35:11.61\00:35:16.24
And you know what, he goes, All
right God. And you know what his
00:35:16.28\00:35:20.45
deal was? As long as I don't
have to beg for money. And God
00:35:20.48\00:35:23.82
just started bringing it in like
he did with you. It is amazing.
00:35:23.85\00:35:28.29
So if somebody wants to get
involved, how do they go about
00:35:28.32\00:35:34.33
getting involved?
00:35:34.36\00:35:36.80
Well, ma'am, the easiest way
is to just send us an email at
00:35:36.83\00:35:41.00
leader@andrews.edu And
I think we've got that on
00:35:41.04\00:35:44.94
the screen leader@andrews. edu
00:35:44.97\00:35:49.58
or to call the phone
number (269) 471-6580
00:35:49.61\00:35:55.78
(269) 471-6580 Now
we're going to put all of
00:35:55.82\00:36:04.83
of this up for you at the end.
But who are you looking for to
00:36:04.86\00:36:10.60
who are you trying to reach?
Who are you trying to motivate
00:36:10.63\00:36:15.64
through this program?
00:36:15.67\00:36:18.31
Well the first person that we
have in mind is a young person
00:36:18.34\00:36:25.78
that has already given
their heart to the Lord and is
00:36:25.81\00:36:31.15
wondering Lord where do you want
me to go? I want to be yours
00:36:31.19\00:36:36.42
but where Lord? This program
is a broad program. It does not
00:36:36.46\00:36:43.16
block you into any specific
ministry but it teaches you how
00:36:43.20\00:36:47.80
to see the world with new eyes
and then how to figure out how
00:36:47.84\00:36:52.31
to find solutions. So it's
a great exploratory type of
00:36:52.34\00:36:57.35
program. But beyond that anybody
that has ever looked up to
00:36:57.38\00:37:01.98
heaven and said, Lord is this
all there is to life? I'm going
00:37:02.02\00:37:06.89
to work every day or I'm running
my business. Thank you, you have
00:37:06.92\00:37:10.63
blessed me but is there more?
00:37:10.66\00:37:13.70
And if you really want to be
a world changer this program is
00:37:13.73\00:37:21.37
for you. (Amen) We will give
you a lot of tools that are very
00:37:21.40\00:37:27.18
practical and we invite you to
be one of those that will call
00:37:27.21\00:37:31.58
us and we'll have a conversation
and we'll help you figure it out
00:37:31.61\00:37:34.72
with God. (Go ahead)
00:37:34.75\00:37:37.79
Just wanting to add that several
are saying that I'm not a leader
00:37:37.82\00:37:41.39
It's because they haven't been
trained to be a leader, right?
00:37:41.42\00:37:45.39
Okay they do. But you know few
people are born leaders but all
00:37:45.43\00:37:50.37
of us we can learn and develop
and grow to become effective
00:37:50.40\00:37:55.97
leaders. (Amen) And that's one
of the things that we have been
00:37:56.00\00:37:58.34
doing in the leadership
department to prepare men and
00:37:58.37\00:38:00.94
women to be strong and effective
leaders and there is something
00:38:00.98\00:38:04.08
unique about the way we develop
leaders right? You want to say
00:38:04.11\00:38:06.41
something about that?
00:38:06.45\00:38:07.78
Well yeah, the leadership
program at Andrews, and Erich
00:38:07.82\00:38:10.19
alluded to this earlier,
the leadership program uses an
00:38:10.22\00:38:14.62
approach that's well deeply
experiential. So there's five
00:38:14.66\00:38:22.23
key areas inside of the
leadership program. So of course
00:38:22.26\00:38:25.80
there's content right, you know
there's books and reading books
00:38:25.83\00:38:29.04
and articles and those sorts
of things, but at the same time
00:38:29.07\00:38:32.67
every time you come up with
a new idea in the leadership
00:38:32.71\00:38:35.98
program, you get this idea, you
get engaged with it, the next
00:38:36.01\00:38:39.75
thing you do is you put it into
practice. So in the leadership
00:38:39.78\00:38:43.95
program part of
the implementation part
00:38:43.99\00:38:46.86
is key, crucial. So you have the
ideas, you come up with this new
00:38:46.89\00:38:50.83
idea, you put it into practice
and then to tie those together
00:38:50.86\00:38:55.26
we use reflection which is
really a prayer. Like this is a
00:38:55.30\00:39:00.97
way for God to show you what's
new about the idea, how does
00:39:01.00\00:39:05.67
that idea fit into your other
ideas and how does that idea
00:39:05.71\00:39:09.54
help change your practice and
then how does this practice help
00:39:09.58\00:39:13.58
really influence how you think
about that idea? And you know
00:39:13.62\00:39:17.99
too often we have academics
that are only focused on ideas.
00:39:18.02\00:39:23.06
I mean I don't want to get
too big into criticizing higher
00:39:23.09\00:39:26.13
education because I'm kind
of in that. At the same time we
00:39:26.16\00:39:28.46
have people who are only
practitioners and they don't
00:39:28.50\00:39:32.07
want new ideas, right? This is
where the marriage of these two
00:39:32.10\00:39:36.60
has to happen. New ideas need
to be put into practice and when
00:39:36.64\00:39:41.48
you put them into
practice you learn new ideas.
00:39:41.51\00:39:44.51
Sounds like following Jesus.
00:39:44.55\00:39:47.88
I'm not done yet. It is, it is
right? And this is thinkers and
00:39:47.92\00:39:51.25
doers right? So then this
web that ties them together one
00:39:51.29\00:39:57.69
piece of that is a reflection
where you reflect on the ideas
00:39:57.73\00:40:02.13
you think about it, you think
about your practice, how did
00:40:02.16\00:40:04.27
that go, how do I do it better?
And then the second piece of
00:40:04.30\00:40:08.00
this web is small groups, small
community, um larger community
00:40:08.04\00:40:13.91
working with a variety
of professors, eight, nine
00:40:13.94\00:40:17.31
professors in our department
to work with each with different
00:40:17.35\00:40:20.98
approaches and a variety of
perspectives that really help to
00:40:21.02\00:40:27.49
fill it out that community. And
then when you join the program
00:40:27.52\00:40:30.99
you get into a small group
of people who are like minded,
00:40:31.03\00:40:34.30
interested in that same ministry
learning those same things and
00:40:34.33\00:40:38.50
putting it together in that
small group. And so you have
00:40:38.53\00:40:41.97
reflection happening in
the small group, you have ideas
00:40:42.00\00:40:44.37
happening in the small group,
you have practice happening in
00:40:44.41\00:40:47.21
the small group and these
pieces, these four components
00:40:47.24\00:40:52.61
work together to be filled and
built on the basis of the Holy
00:40:52.65\00:40:57.62
Spirit. When God is involved
with the new ideas then you find
00:40:57.65\00:41:02.96
truth. When you put them into
practice you see love in action.
00:41:02.99\00:41:05.96
And this prayerful attitude of
reflection and the social church
00:41:05.99\00:41:12.17
body like...It's a program like
none other. As you know I have
00:41:12.20\00:41:17.97
read the book Education several
times. It's one of my favorites.
00:41:18.01\00:41:21.54
This program more than any other
I've been involved with, I've
00:41:21.58\00:41:27.05
been involved with a lot of
programs, has these components
00:41:27.08\00:41:30.85
working as like this engine and
they're firing on each cylinder
00:41:30.89\00:41:36.22
and they're working to motivate
and strengthen and quite
00:41:36.26\00:41:39.56
literally we have people saying
this program has changed my life
00:41:39.59\00:41:45.00
and I don't mean just my
leadership. It has changed my
00:41:45.03\00:41:48.70
leadership but when I go
home I'm a different person.
00:41:48.74\00:41:52.37
(Praise God) and I really
believe you know these four
00:41:52.41\00:41:57.28
components are essential but if
it's not built on truth in love
00:41:57.31\00:42:03.69
from scripture and the ministry
of the Holy Spirit in our lives
00:42:03.72\00:42:07.56
these components are bare,
they're built on sand rather
00:42:07.59\00:42:12.69
than rock. And so we need the
components and I'm a big fan,
00:42:12.73\00:42:18.93
I'm a big fan. I'm just like...
they don't pay me extra, I am
00:42:18.97\00:42:24.77
just a big fan of the leadership
program, lots of different...
00:42:24.81\00:42:28.34
and to have this new
social innovation is just...it's
00:42:28.38\00:42:32.81
another component of
making this very, very complete.
00:42:32.85\00:42:35.78
I know we want to get to some
scripture but I just want to say
00:42:35.82\00:42:39.05
one thing. I would see in my
mind anyway besides the young
00:42:39.09\00:42:44.46
people who are looking
for a direction or if you're a
00:42:44.49\00:42:49.16
business owner, but I'm thinking
about every pastor, elders, I'm
00:42:49.20\00:42:54.10
thinking about people in the
conference who are like you were
00:42:54.14\00:42:59.91
saying, Erich. Here God
had called you. You got your
00:42:59.94\00:43:02.38
theology degree. You're
preaching, you're teaching,
00:43:02.41\00:43:06.98
but it's like, Lord how do
I reach these people on their
00:43:07.02\00:43:10.79
level which is what Jesus always
did first. That's what He did.
00:43:10.82\00:43:17.63
I'm going to turn it
over to you Sung Kwon.
00:43:17.66\00:43:20.80
Well I tell you I believe
that we are disciples first then
00:43:20.83\00:43:25.67
teacher. Disciple first then
a carpenter or professor or a
00:43:25.70\00:43:29.64
conference president, whichever.
So we are called to follow Jesus
00:43:29.67\00:43:35.64
Christ to fulfill His redemptive
work on earth and he has said
00:43:35.68\00:43:41.85
clearly, Luke chapter 4 verses
18 and 19. When you look at the
00:43:41.88\00:43:49.02
whole Bible text, The Spirit,
I think we will have a screen up
00:43:49.06\00:43:54.60
but you can actually...let me
read that for you just for now.
00:43:54.63\00:43:58.43
and then the verse 19
he continues talking about
00:44:21.62\00:44:26.56
fulfilling the year of the
Lord's favor which is a Jubilee.
00:44:26.59\00:44:30.50
So when you look at God's
mission or engagement work you
00:44:30.53\00:44:34.84
can actually conceptualize in
three major components. First,
00:44:34.87\00:44:39.24
He came to proclaim the good
news of salvation and He came to
00:44:39.27\00:44:43.14
demonstrate God's merciful,
graceful love. And then He came
00:44:43.18\00:44:48.98
to fulfill that Jubilee in the
year of the Lord's favor. This
00:44:49.02\00:44:55.29
is I call in a restorative
justice, reconnecting people
00:44:55.32\00:44:59.36
with God, reconnecting
people with their families and
00:44:59.39\00:45:02.93
neighbors and communities. So
through this social innovation
00:45:02.96\00:45:07.24
degree program, we want to equip
Christians to do just that,
00:45:07.27\00:45:11.94
God's work. In a way, we
are focusing on God's mission of
00:45:11.97\00:45:16.11
work. We will be a relevant
church in our communities and
00:45:16.14\00:45:19.65
wherever we are.
00:45:19.68\00:45:21.02
And like I said at the beginning
too many of us, we get together
00:45:21.05\00:45:24.79
for church and it becomes more
like a social club. Just, you
00:45:24.82\00:45:30.53
know you're studying what the
Jewish people did. I mean God
00:45:30.56\00:45:33.63
called them to share and they
didn't. They kind of huddled in
00:45:33.66\00:45:39.37
and stayed to themselves and
if we don't learn Jesus' method
00:45:39.40\00:45:45.27
of going out and reaching people
The right arm of the gospel we
00:45:45.31\00:45:50.48
talk about is the ministry
of healing. But that's not just
00:45:50.51\00:45:53.98
physical healing. We've got to
reach people where their need is
00:45:54.02\00:45:59.49
and then once they see us. Dr.
Oh help me honey, Brian Schwartz
00:45:59.52\00:46:08.76
was here the other day and
he was saying that he was at a
00:46:08.80\00:46:15.00
ministry where they had the
tents up and free dentistry,
00:46:15.04\00:46:18.14
free doctors and all this. What
is it and he said, what is it
00:46:18.17\00:46:22.68
(Pathway to Health)
Pathway to Health. Thank you.
00:46:22.71\00:46:24.81
Anyway he said this man
00:46:24.85\00:46:26.88
came in and he said, you don't
get paid to do this? He said no.
00:46:26.92\00:46:31.59
He said, You're church doesn't
pay you. No. He said, The city's
00:46:31.62\00:46:35.99
not paying you. And he said No.
And the guy said, Why do you do
00:46:36.02\00:46:40.13
this? And he said, Because
God loves people and you know
00:46:40.16\00:46:44.43
what the man said
00:46:44.47\00:46:46.33
to him, I don't know what church
you belong to but I want to join
00:46:46.37\00:46:51.61
it. When we show God's love
and we demonstrate love is meant
00:46:51.64\00:46:58.01
to be demonstrated.
It's love in action.
00:46:58.05\00:47:02.48
Yeah, I tell you this is...
everybody has a story of COVID
00:47:02.52\00:47:08.09
right? You've been through this
and so COVID happened and the
00:47:08.12\00:47:11.73
churches closed and so there I
am sitting with my wife and the
00:47:11.76\00:47:17.43
computer screen and my son and
we're watching. And I'm thinking
00:47:17.47\00:47:21.97
myself and this happens again
and it's months. So of all the
00:47:22.00\00:47:28.78
important things that happen
inside of the church experience
00:47:28.81\00:47:35.38
like what's the most crucial?
And I think what we did, I just
00:47:35.42\00:47:41.86
kept seeing you know we're doing
sermons and it's good. I mean
00:47:41.89\00:47:46.70
it's good. It's new ideas. Right
It's new ideas. Where's the
00:47:46.73\00:47:50.33
practice. Where's the practice
of these new ideas. And the
00:47:50.37\00:47:54.87
churches are created not for us
right? I mean yes, yes they are
00:47:54.90\00:48:01.14
but we are created as part of
this discipleship right through
00:48:01.18\00:48:06.61
to bless.
00:48:06.65\00:48:08.08
Well the pastors but fivefold
ministry as you go through it
00:48:08.12\00:48:11.09
they are to equip the saints
to go out and do the work.
00:48:11.12\00:48:14.42
The ministry, yeah.
00:48:14.46\00:48:15.79
Yeah we're to minister.
00:48:15.82\00:48:17.16
And the churches need to be
about this ministry. So in my
00:48:17.19\00:48:20.20
mind I was thinking, something's
got to change. Something's got
00:48:20.23\00:48:23.00
to change. It's like, it's
like I didn't want to go back to
00:48:23.03\00:48:26.03
church the way it was before.
It's like I wanted something
00:48:26.07\00:48:31.61
different and more and like I
have...like I don't want to fall
00:48:31.64\00:48:37.75
back into that trap of just the
social club. You know, well the
00:48:37.78\00:48:41.72
people, it was great, it's
fantastic. It's like there was
00:48:41.75\00:48:44.59
something inside of me saying
if I go back then maybe I'll
00:48:44.62\00:48:48.26
fall back into that and I
don't want to because it's so
00:48:48.29\00:48:52.16
comfortable and I
needed to be uncomfortable.
00:48:52.19\00:48:55.70
A. W. Tozer, you probably know
that author, he has a famous
00:48:55.73\00:48:59.73
quote, you've probably heard
it several times. He says, in
00:48:59.77\00:49:03.84
today's church if the Holy
Spirit were withdrawn from the
00:49:03.87\00:49:07.68
church 95 percent of what we're
doing would go on an no one
00:49:07.71\00:49:10.28
would notice the difference. But
in contrast he says, in the New
00:49:10.31\00:49:15.15
Testament church had the Holy
Spirit been withdrawn 95 percent
00:49:15.18\00:49:20.86
of what they were doing would
have stopped and everybody would
00:49:20.89\00:49:25.96
have known the difference.
00:49:25.99\00:49:27.40
In fact, someone told me that
church begins at the end of a
00:49:27.43\00:49:33.27
worship service.
00:49:33.30\00:49:34.64
Ooo, that's good. I like that.
00:49:34.67\00:49:36.37
The people over the three years
of the pandemic contacted me
00:49:36.40\00:49:42.21
saying what do we do? How can we
do ministry? Church is closed.
00:49:42.24\00:49:45.85
So I said, well due to the
pandemic church might be closed
00:49:45.88\00:49:49.22
but mission of our Lord Jesus
Christ never closed. You can
00:49:49.25\00:49:54.39
serve as you go about, as you go
to the grocery store, as you go
00:49:54.42\00:49:58.49
to the bank, as you go to the
school, as you go to the work.
00:49:58.53\00:50:01.56
We serve, that's why God called
us. He said I came not to be
00:50:01.60\00:50:06.84
served but to serve. So we
are called by God, saved by God,
00:50:06.87\00:50:12.07
commended by God to serve God
and God's people anywhere and
00:50:12.11\00:50:18.31
any time and that ministry does
not stop because of the pandemic
00:50:18.35\00:50:22.68
Amen. Okay so what we're going
to do. We're going to have to
00:50:22.72\00:50:26.45
wind this up. I want to give
you...We'll be back in just a
00:50:26.49\00:50:30.09
second for a closing thought but
I want to give you a way to get
00:50:30.13\00:50:33.70
in touch, that's my Texas coming
out, gettin' hold of but Andrews
00:50:33.73\00:50:40.27
University has this new masters
program, Leadership, and Social
00:50:40.30\00:50:46.54
Innovation and it is a 16-hour
credit on-line program so here's
00:50:46.57\00:50:52.61
how you can get in touch with
these wonderful men and become
00:50:52.65\00:50:59.02
a part of it:
00:50:59.05\00:51:00.39
If you would like to contact
or know more about Andrews
00:51:00.42\00:51:04.76
University Leadership Department
you can write to them at Andrews
00:51:04.79\00:51:09.00
University, Berrien Springs,
MI You can also call them at
00:51:09.03\00:51:13.40
(269) 471-6580
00:51:13.44\00:51:24.78
You can also visit the
website at andrews.edu/go/LeadSI
00:51:24.81\00:51:32.55
You can also email
them at leader@andrews.edu
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