I want to spend my life
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mending broken people.
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I want to spend my life
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removing pain.
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Lord, let my words
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heal a heart that hurts.
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people...
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people.
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Hello and we
welcome you to 3ABN Today.
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I'm Shelley Quinn and
as you saw in the open
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I'm sitting here all by myself.
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But not for long. I'm
actually just introducing
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a program that you're
going to find very inspiring
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and instructive,
and hosting the program
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will be our
Director of Discipleship
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Pastor James Rafferty.
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And his guest is
Pastor Steve Wohlberg
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who is the speaker/director
for White Horse Media.
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Now if you know
anything about Steve Wohlberg
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he is a prolific writer.
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He's written over 30 books.
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And he's here today
to talk about his book
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Six six six: The
666 Beast Identified.
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Boy, I tell you: when
you look even at the news
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we hear people
talking about 666.
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It's only
mentioned once in the Bible.
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Let me read that to you.
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And it comes in
Revelation - I'll find it -
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chapter 15, and
here's what the Bible says.
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"Then I saw another sign
in heaven great and marvelous:
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seven angels having
the seven last plagues. "
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Gettin' serious!
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"For in them the wrath
of God is mingled with fire,
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and those who have the
victory over the beast... "
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That's where I want to be.
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"and over his image
and over his mark... "
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Victory over the beast,
his image, and his mark:
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"and over the
number of his name.
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And the number of
that name is 666. "
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What is this mysterious 666?
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Well stay tuned for
Pastor James Rafferty
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and for Steve Wohlberg.
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Right now we're going
to first, go to a song
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with one my favorite
singers: Pastor Wintley Phipps.
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He's going to be singing
in that booming bass voice
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of his. He has sung
for over five presidents
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and this man is
just really special.
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His song today is so
apropos for this topic.
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It is Coming Again.
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So after Pastor Phipps
we'll go on with the interview.
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Why stand ye gazing there
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up into the sky?
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Be not discouraged
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for we have brought good news.
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This same Jesus
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who we do magnify
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soon He will come again
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for all to glorify.
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He is coming again!
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He is coming
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again.
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Son of the Father
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He is coming again.
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On Calvary He
claimed my destiny.
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Lord, I humble myself
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to Thee.
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Lord, I want to see Your face.
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Just help me be strong.
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I know You will return;
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I know it won't be long.
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He is coming again!
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He is coming
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again.
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Son of the Father
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He is coming again.
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On Calvary
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He claimed my destiny.
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Lord, I humble myself
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to Thee.
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Lift up the trumpet
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and loud let it ring:
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Jesus is coming again!
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Cheer up, ye pilgrims...
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be joyful and sing:
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Jesus is coming again!
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Coming again,
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coming again,
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Jesus is coming again!
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Coming again,
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coming again,
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Jesus
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is coming
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again!
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Amen and Amen!
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Powerful powerful message
there from Bro. Wintley Phipps.
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I love that message and I
love that messenger of music.
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So, Steve, we are in the con-
text of the book of Revelation
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talking about the number 666.
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Of course, all of it
centers around the second coming
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of Jesus Christ. And
we recognize that Jesus
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is the center of
the book of Revelation.
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Really it is the
Revelation of Jesus Christ,
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one that is from Him and of Him.
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And in that book we
have this counterfeit system
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that comes in and
seeks to undermine
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and put itself in
the place of Jesus Christ
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and it's
identified with a number.
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Now this number is a pretty
well-known number, isn't it?
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There's no
question about that, James.
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I think the most
famous or infamous number
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in all of history: 666.
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People think about it. When
Apple Computer first released
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its first computer
and put it on the market
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the price was $666.66. OK!
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And people you know
kind of... It raised eyebrows
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and people thought
maybe this was a sign
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that computers are bad.
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And people see
666 on subway walls.
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It's in movies...
apocalyptic movies.
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People wonder if it's
going to be something to do with
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the barcode or Social Security.
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And the list just goes on and
on. But it's a very well-known
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number but few
people have any clue
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what it's really all about.
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Yeah. I remember
when I was a young man
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you know partying and
all that kind of stuff
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I knew about the number 666.
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I'd watched a
movie about it: The Omen.
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And it was embedded in
the skull of a little kid.
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But is this where it comes from?
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Where is this
number in the Bible?
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That's really what we want
to start out with, don't we?
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Yes, we do. And
the primary place
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that it is is in
the book of Revelation.
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OK. It's mentioned once in
I Kings chapter 10 verse 14
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in connection to the
amount of gold that Solomon had.
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But the main verse that
most people are familiar with
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or at least those
who have studied the Bile
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is in the book of
Revelation chapter 13 verse 18.
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And let me just
read that to you:
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Verse 18 says: "Here is wisdom:
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let him that has understanding
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let him count the
number of the beast
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for it is the number of a man
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and his number is six hundred
three score or 60 and 6. " OK.
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Which comes out to 666.
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So here is the mother
text: Revelation 13:18.
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So what does that mean?
I mean when I think about
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666, OK you
mentioned a Bible verse.
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And of course the book
of Revelation is built on
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the rest of the Bible.
That's where all of the
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information in
Revelation comes from.
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It's a distillation if you
will of the rest of Scripture.
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We could say that all the
books of the Bible begin and end
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in the book of
Revelation, right?
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But when we think
about this particular verse
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666 in relationship to this man
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which is connected to a beast...
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and we'll get into
all of that... how do we?
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What does? What is
Revelation actually saying?
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Because you
mentioned the Apple computer.
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$666 was the
price of this computer.
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And I've heard stories of people
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who... well, I'll just
give you my own example.
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You know, when I
was purchasing something
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at one time the number
actually of the dollar amount
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of my purchase
actually came out to $666.
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And the person
looked at me kind of like
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"Oh-oh. " And I
thought, of course,
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by that time I understood
this is a Biblical number
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but I thought: "Ah,
you know, no big deal. "
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But people kind of
maybe freak out a little bit
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when they think
about three sixes in a row.
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Three sixes in a row:
is that the point here?
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What is the
Bible actually saying?
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Yeah, and you know,
James, this is such a big topic
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and we only have
so much time today.
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We could really do a
10-part series on this.
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And I've packed so much
infor- mation into the 666 book:
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The 666 Beast Identified.
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So I'm just going
to kind of distill
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a lot of
information in a short time. OK.
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I've got 10 facts about 666
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that we can glean from
the book of Revelation.
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And my conviction is in
order for us to get on the
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right track on this
topic to avoid speculation
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and all kinds of
different theories
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is to put all of these
different points together.
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And I'll just read
them to you really quickly.
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Great! Ten facts
about this number.
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Number 1: It's in the Bible.
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Number 2: We need
wisdom to understand it.
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Which implies that
we CAN have wisdom.
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Number 3: We have to do
some counting and calculation.
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It says "Let him that has under-
standing count the number. "
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Number 4 is it's
the number of the beast
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and we have to look at the
whole context of Revelation 13
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to identify
that beast correctly.
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OK. Number 5: Also
it's the number of a man.
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That's what it says.
It's the number of the beast
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and the number of a man.
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And the number is 666
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which is point 6. Many people
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are looking for
three sixes in a row.
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A 6 followed by another
6 followed by another 6.
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But the text actually says:
"Six hundred sixty and six"
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which is a little
bit different. Oh yeah.
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And we'll get to
that a little bit more.
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Point number 7: It's
also the number of his name.
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It says that in verse 17.
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The number of the
name... a specific name.
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Number 8: A name in
the book of Revelation is
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often used
synonymously with a title.
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Jesus in Revelation 19
comes down on the white horse
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and it says in verse 16
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"He has a name written,
and the name is King of kings
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and Lord of lords. " OK.
And in verse 13 it also says
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"His name is the Word of God. "
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So His personal name is Jesus
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but in Revelation
name is also synonymous
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with title. OK.
So: King of kings
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and Lord of lords
is really a title.
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Point number 9:
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we must overcome
this number whatever it is
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because it says that
in Revelation 15 verse 2.
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And Number 10 is
that Revelation 13
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connects us with Daniel 7
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and we have to study
Daniel 7 and Revelation 13
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together in order to
correctly identify the beast:
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the real beast and its man.
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So that's just 10 quick facts.
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And when people speculate
and come up with all kinds
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of different
interpretations like could it be
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Apple Computer you
have to compare that theory
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with all 10 of
those Bible points.
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And really those
10 points point us
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in the right direction so
we don't go on rabbit trails.
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And all the information that
you're sharing right now Steve
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is in the book, right? In
the book that you are providing.
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Yes. In the book that you
have written, and basically
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we're distilling
down all the information
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that has been
historically searched out
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concerning this number,
this man, and this beast
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in Revelation 13.
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That's right. OK. Exactly.
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And we can test all
theories by those ten points.
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If they don't line up
with every one of those points,
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we know that it's just myth-
ology & fanciful speculation.
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And of course, you know and
I know, and this is what 3ABN
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is all about as well as what
White Horse Media is all about
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and your ministry is
we don't want to go off
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in speculative directions.
We want to teach people
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what the Bible says.
Amen! And that's really
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the big issue. And there's one
more point I want to mention.
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When you look at
Revelation 13 as you mentioned
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earlier or alluded to
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Revelation is a battle between
the beast and the Lamb. Um-hmm.
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And so the beast and its
man and its number is all
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a counterfeit
working of the devil
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to lead people
away from Jesus Christ.
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Amen! And that's really
the heart of the matter.
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We're not just here to
expose the beast and the man
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and the number... we're
here to lift up Jesus Christ -
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Amen! who is the
Truth? And I love that, Steve,
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because when you look
at Revelation chapter 13
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the very center of
this book directs us to
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the Lamb that was slain from
the foundation of the world.
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And so those who are listen-
ing - our viewing audience -
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we really need to remember
that Revelation chapter 13
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is not really
focusing on the beast.
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It's identifying the beast
- definitely - and giving us
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the characteristics,
but the whole point of
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Revelation chapter 13
is to direct us back to
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the Lamb that was slain from
the foundation of the world.
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And you have that emphasis
in Revelation chapter 13
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because really that is
the direction of Scripture
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and the direction of
the book of Revelation.
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There's just this aside that
we have in many of the chapters
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that warns us about the
counterfeit or the undermining
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by the dragon, by the devil
of the work of Jesus Christ
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that has been laid from
the foundation of the world
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for our salvation. So
let's get right into it, Steve.
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How can we...
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how can we identify the beast?
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You've got the mark of the
beast, the number of the beast.
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And that's the big...
Right. And that's one of the...
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the big issues
at the very get-go.
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We need to identify the
beast, and in order to do that
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we need to look at the
whole chapter of Revelation 13.
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OK. Because the beast is
described. Many different clues
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are there... characteristics.
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The dragon gives him his power,
his seat, and great authority.
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He rules for a
certain amount of time.
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He has a mouth
speaking great things.
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He makes war on the saints.
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And when you look at Rev. 13
and look at the characteristics
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of that beast the
same characteristics
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are referred to
in Daniel chapter 7.
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Those two chapters go together
just like a lock and a key.
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Um-hmm. Just like two
people. Like me and my wife
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and you and your wife.
They fit together perfectly.
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And so when you look at Daniel 7
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you find four beasts.
You see a lion, a bear,
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a leopard and a
dragon-like beast.
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And Daniel 7:23 tells us
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that the fourth beast is the
fourth kingdom upon the earth.
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So those four
beasts represent nations.
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And most people who
have studied this know
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that those four beasts
represent Babylon, Persia,
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Greece, and Rome.
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The rise and fall of
these great nations in history.
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And then the fourth beast
- the dragon-like creature -
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he has 10 horns and
then a little horn comes up.
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And that little horn has a
mouth speaking great things.
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It make war on the saints.
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It changes God's law.
It does various things.
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And Protestants in
the 1500's and 1600's
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during the height
of the Reformation...
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There's no secret to
this; you can Google this
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and all the facts
are there in history.
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They looked at
Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome.
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They looked at the 10 horns
as the breakdown of the Roman
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Empire, and they saw that
little horn that came right out
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of the Roman
Empire in western Europe
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and it had a mouth speaking
great things, it made war
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on the saints, and
they unanimously understood
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that to be a symbol of
the papal power. Um-hmm.
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It's not a reference to
Roman Catholic people per se
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but to the system of Catholicism
centered in the pope.
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And that's what happened.
The Roman church grew up
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out of the Roman Empire.
It grew up among the 10 horns.
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It grew up right there in Italy.
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And when you compare
those verses with Revelation
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it says in Revelation 13:2
that the dragon - which was
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the fourth beast of Daniel 7-
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he would give to this
beast his power and his seat
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and great authority. Um-hmm.
And that's what happened.
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The rule of the Caesars
went down when Rome collapsed
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and the rule of
the popes rose up.
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And the dragon
of the Roman Empire
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gave its seat of
government in Italy
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and its power and its authority
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to the beast which was the
Roman Catholic church system.
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And if you look at
history, the Catholic system
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is really centered
in one man... in a man.
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Um-hmm. And that
man is called the pope.
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And that man has
become shockingly today
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the most influential religious
leader and politician really
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on planet earth. And
he's really... Historically
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he's really like a Caesar/pope.
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He continues the
authority of the Roman Empire.
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And it's interesting:
even Pope Francis has a Twitter
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handle which is pontifex.
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And pontifex,
really Pontimus Maximus,
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goes back to the
titles of the Caesars.
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And they've
inherited those titles. Um-hmm.
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And so the Protestant Reformers
when they tried to get people
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back to the Bible and
away from the traditions of men
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and the church opposed them
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they put all these pieces
together and began to really
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study prophecy and
they finally realized
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Wow! that the pope
is the representative
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of the system that
the book of Revelation
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identifies as the beast.
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And this may be
shocking to many people
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but if you Google it
that's what Luther believed
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who started the Lutheran church.
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John Wesley, who
founded the Methodist church,
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Charles Spurgeon, the
great Baptist pastor in London,
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and this was just the
dominant view of Protestantism.
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And as they... as the
Reformation continued on
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finally they
knew who the beast was
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and then they zeroed in on
the end of Revelation chapter 13
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and they started
pondering this verse that says:
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"Here is wisdom: let
him who has understanding
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count the number of the beast
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for it is the number of a man
and his number is six hundred
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three score and six. "
And eventually in the 1600's
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the application of this verse
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to the papal power and to
the pope and to a specific
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name of the pope it surfaced
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and then it
became the dominant view
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within the Protestant world
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more than any other
interpretation that's ever seen
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the light of day. You
know it's really interesting,
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isn't it, Steve, because
like I was raised Catholic
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and I remember
my mother saying...
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When people asked her if
she was Catholic she would say:
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"I am Roman Catholic. "
00:22:07.76\00:22:09.92
Right? 'Cause
there are Catholics
00:22:10.13\00:22:11.96
but Roman Catholic
connects you specifically
00:22:12.16\00:22:15.50
to the see of Rome, to
the papacy, to the pontiff.
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Roman Catholic is what my mom
used to tell people that we were
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and I was proud of it.
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And I remember, you know,
as you look at your history
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you talk about these
Reformers like Martin Luther
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and Zwingli and Hus and Jerome.
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All of them were Catholic, & the
evidence was so overwhelming -
00:22:31.38\00:22:35.72
the Biblical evidence -
that when they discovered this
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evidence they
didn't want to in any way
00:22:38.32\00:22:40.99
sever from the church
or start a new organization
00:22:41.19\00:22:44.39
or even be
critical of the church
00:22:44.59\00:22:45.93
in tearing it down in any way.
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Their idea was to
bring reformation to identify
00:22:48.60\00:22:51.63
because in their minds a
lot of the popes were immoral
00:22:51.83\00:22:55.07
and there were a lot of problems
that needed to be taken care of
00:22:55.27\00:22:57.17
in the church and they were
wanting to take care of those
00:22:57.37\00:22:59.57
problems. BUT,
in time, of course,
00:22:59.77\00:23:02.11
we know Biblically that they
had to pull themselves away.
00:23:02.31\00:23:05.25
They had to
protest; they had to stand up
00:23:05.45\00:23:07.28
against the immorality; against
the departure from truth;
00:23:07.48\00:23:10.79
against this Roman
system that is a continuation
00:23:10.99\00:23:14.42
like you said of the
history of pagan Rome
00:23:14.62\00:23:17.53
which followed Greece
which followed Medo-Persia
00:23:17.73\00:23:20.20
which followed Babylon.
All of it laid out perfectly
00:23:20.40\00:23:22.80
for us in the books
of Daniel and Revelation.
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In fact, recently
started a class on Daniel
00:23:25.80\00:23:28.50
and asked the students
or said to the students:
00:23:28.70\00:23:31.64
"You know, it'd be really nice
00:23:31.84\00:23:33.17
if studying Daniel chapter
11 " You know, that's the fourth
00:23:33.21\00:23:37.38
repeat and enlarge of Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome...
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I said to the students:
"It'd be really nice if we had
00:23:40.32\00:23:42.72
a Daniel chapter 13 you
know because Daniel stops
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in chapter 12. And you
get to the end of Daniel 11
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you've got the king of the
north and the king of the south
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and a lot of controver...
00:23:51.39\00:23:52.73
you know misunderstanding
or different views on that.
00:23:52.89\00:23:55.40
And I said: "It'd be nice
if we had a Daniel chapter 13
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that had another
outline of Babylon, Medo-Persia,
00:23:59.27\00:24:02.27
Greece, and Rome. " And
they're all looking at me
00:24:02.47\00:24:03.81
and I said: "But we have
a REVELATION chapter 13. "
00:24:03.87\00:24:06.41
And just to highlight
what you mentioned here:
00:24:06.61\00:24:08.61
Revelation chapter 13
and verse 1: "I stood upon
00:24:08.81\00:24:12.41
the sand of the
sea and I saw a beast
00:24:12.61\00:24:14.62
rise up out of the sea
having 7 heads and 10 horns
00:24:14.82\00:24:17.72
and upon his horns 10 crowns
00:24:17.92\00:24:19.75
and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy.
00:24:19.95\00:24:21.89
And the beast which I saw was
like unto a leopard" - Greece -
00:24:22.09\00:24:25.29
"His feet were as the
feet of a bear" - Medo-Persia -
00:24:26.09\00:24:28.60
"and his mouth as the
mouth of a lion" - Babylon -
00:24:28.90\00:24:32.60
"and the dragon gave
him his seat and power
00:24:32.80\00:24:35.54
and great authority. "
00:24:35.74\00:24:37.37
So you have the 4 kingdoms there
just like in the book of Daniel.
00:24:37.57\00:24:40.68
We have a Revelation
13, a Daniel 13 if you will.
00:24:40.88\00:24:44.38
A connection
between the two books.
00:24:44.58\00:24:46.41
And then Revelation 13 goes
on to bring us more history,
00:24:46.61\00:24:49.88
more prophetic history,
taking us all the way down
00:24:50.09\00:24:52.35
to the second
coming of Jesus Christ.
00:24:52.55\00:24:54.02
That's right... exactly James.
00:24:54.92\00:24:56.76
And the last verse of Rev.
13 hits the nail on the head
00:24:56.96\00:25:01.30
and says: "Here is wisdom.
00:25:01.80\00:25:03.80
let him that has understanding
00:25:04.00\00:25:05.33
let him count the
number of the beast
00:25:05.53\00:25:07.10
for it is the number of a man. "
00:25:07.30\00:25:09.87
A man... and his number is 666.
00:25:10.07\00:25:12.67
In The 666 Beast
Identified on page 62
00:25:13.07\00:25:16.81
it zeroes in on one
particular German scholar -
00:25:17.01\00:25:22.38
a Protestant scholar
- named Andreas Helwig.
00:25:22.58\00:25:25.19
And he first proposed
00:25:25.39\00:25:27.56
after he had
studied this carefully
00:25:27.76\00:25:29.69
in the year 1600
00:25:31.16\00:25:32.73
that there was a title
that belonged to the popes
00:25:32.93\00:25:36.33
specifically that
calculated out to 666.
00:25:36.53\00:25:40.27
And then in 1612, he expanded
his documentation on this.
00:25:40.67\00:25:45.94
And in the year 1630
he came out with a 91-page
00:25:46.14\00:25:49.54
document - hmm - and
this was the title of it:
00:25:49.74\00:25:52.61
I'm going to read it to you:
00:25:52.81\00:25:54.15
It was in Latin and
here it is in English:
00:25:54.25\00:25:57.25
The Roman antichrist
revealed by his own name
00:25:57.92\00:26:01.69
and against the glory
and the authority of our Lord
00:26:01.89\00:26:04.79
Jesus Christ, the
supreme and only High Priest
00:26:04.99\00:26:08.06
of the church. This
vaunted by Vicarius Filii Dei
00:26:08.26\00:26:12.17
which is a Latin
title which means
00:26:12.37\00:26:14.14
Vicarius means the vicar
00:26:14.30\00:26:16.30
and then going on the
Filii means the vicar of the Son
00:26:17.44\00:26:21.04
and Dei means God. So
this title - this Latin
00:26:21.24\00:26:23.95
title for the
pope Vicarius Filii Dei
00:26:24.15\00:26:26.01
means that the pope is
the Vicar of the Son of God.
00:26:26.21\00:26:28.28
He is the representative
of the Son of God on earth.
00:26:28.48\00:26:30.89
And Helwig said: "This
vaunted Vicarius Filii Dei
00:26:31.39\00:26:34.19
claims for himself and
imposes upon the entire world. "
00:26:34.52\00:26:37.69
It's quite a long
title but in that title
00:26:37.89\00:26:40.76
he put these three
words: Vicarius Filii Dei
00:26:40.96\00:26:44.43
which is the Latin
title for the pope...
00:26:44.63\00:26:47.10
one of the most
infamous titles in history.
00:26:47.30\00:26:50.21
And then he calculated out.
If you add up the Roman numeral
00:26:50.41\00:26:55.31
values of Vicarius and
then Filii and then Dei
00:26:55.51\00:26:59.35
when you add up the numbers
00:26:59.55\00:27:02.12
it calculates out to six
hundred sixty-six exactly.
00:27:02.52\00:27:08.22
And Helwig was the
first one that we know of
00:27:08.42\00:27:11.89
that proposed this
interpre- tation of this verse.
00:27:12.09\00:27:16.20
And in the last 15-20 years
some Internet archaeologists
00:27:16.40\00:27:20.64
have gone into the
libraries of Europe
00:27:20.84\00:27:22.57
and they have
found original copies
00:27:22.77\00:27:25.84
of Helwig's book and his tract.
00:27:26.04\00:27:28.84
And eventually
this interpretation
00:27:29.04\00:27:31.48
it grew in power
within Protestantism
00:27:31.68\00:27:36.58
until you get to the
late 1700's and early 1800's
00:27:36.79\00:27:40.76
it became interdenominationally
the dominant interpretation
00:27:40.96\00:27:46.46
of Revelation 13 verse 18
00:27:46.66\00:27:48.76
that had ever been published
in the history of Christianity.
00:27:49.26\00:27:54.97
And that's very significant.
00:27:55.17\00:27:56.50
And I've done a
lot of research on this
00:27:56.57\00:27:58.17
and the research is
inside The 666 Beast Identified.
00:27:58.37\00:28:01.78
And I'm absolutely
convinced that this title
00:28:01.98\00:28:05.21
fits every single
one of those ten facts
00:28:05.41\00:28:09.72
that are there in
the book of Revelation
00:28:09.92\00:28:12.55
like no other interpretation.
00:28:12.75\00:28:15.16
And it's interesting. You
know, some people say: "Well,
00:28:15.36\00:28:17.53
how can you take a Latin title
00:28:17.73\00:28:19.93
and apply this to
the book of Revelation? "
00:28:20.13\00:28:23.16
Because Revelation, of
course was written in Greek.
00:28:23.37\00:28:25.27
But it's very interesting,
James. In John chapter 19
00:28:25.47\00:28:28.14
when Jesus was
crucified in verses 18 to 20
00:28:28.34\00:28:31.57
Pontius Pilate put a
title above His head.
00:28:31.77\00:28:35.68
It was some kind of a
wooden... piece of wood.
00:28:35.88\00:28:39.31
And he wrote on it a title
00:28:39.51\00:28:41.48
and the title was:
This is Jesus of Nazareth,
00:28:41.68\00:28:44.79
the King of the
Jews was the title. Hmm.
00:28:44.99\00:28:46.79
And the Bible says
it was written in Hebrew
00:28:46.99\00:28:49.49
and Greek and Latin.
00:28:49.69\00:28:51.03
So Latin was right there.
00:28:51.39\00:28:52.73
Because Hebrew was the language
of the Old Testament; Right.
00:28:52.89\00:28:55.86
Greek is the
language of the New Testament;
00:28:56.06\00:28:57.50
and Latin was the
language of Rome. Um-hmm!
00:28:57.70\00:29:00.67
And that Latin
language became the language
00:29:00.87\00:29:03.81
of the Roman Catholic church.
00:29:04.01\00:29:05.34
That's why for years
their masses were said in Latin.
00:29:05.37\00:29:07.58
So Latin is really the
Roman language. Um-hmm.
00:29:07.78\00:29:12.05
And when you take that
Latin title Vicarius Filii Dei
00:29:12.25\00:29:15.98
which was a title for the
pope... And there's a lot of
00:29:16.18\00:29:18.65
documentation
behind this as well...
00:29:18.85\00:29:20.56
and you calculate it
out - you count it out -
00:29:20.76\00:29:23.09
as the Scripture says:
"Count it out; calculate it out"
00:29:23.29\00:29:26.29
it comes out to exactly
six hundred sixty and six.
00:29:26.49\00:29:31.47
Now Steve, I've...
By the way, I remember
00:29:31.67\00:29:34.50
going to church and
having the church in Latin
00:29:34.70\00:29:37.34
and I couldn't understand
anything that was going on.
00:29:37.54\00:29:39.17
So I can totally relate to this
00:29:39.37\00:29:41.11
but a lot of people
have said and I've heard this
00:29:41.31\00:29:44.91
you know over time and
it gave me a little bit of a
00:29:45.11\00:29:47.82
stir because I thought
about all of the information
00:29:48.02\00:29:51.75
you've just shared,
what you put in the book.
00:29:51.95\00:29:53.32
But people have said: "Well
that name, that calculating of
00:29:53.52\00:29:57.73
that number can apply to
a lot of different people.
00:29:57.93\00:30:00.60
A lot of different titles. "
00:30:00.80\00:30:02.86
People have applied it to...
I remember hearing it applied
00:30:03.06\00:30:05.87
to Ronald Wilson
Reagan. You know six six six.
00:30:06.07\00:30:10.24
Even Ellen Gould
White. Six... you know.
00:30:10.64\00:30:14.04
So how? Just open
that up for us a little bit
00:30:14.24\00:30:17.45
and explain how
you see the difference.
00:30:17.65\00:30:19.51
Sure. And my book goes through
00:30:20.55\00:30:22.38
nine different false
interpretations - OK - of 666
00:30:22.58\00:30:27.09
and that's one of
them. One of the ideas is
00:30:27.29\00:30:28.79
well that name or
number of if you take different
00:30:28.99\00:30:32.13
people's names like
Ronald... There's six letters
00:30:32.33\00:30:34.56
in Ronald. Wilson,
there's 6. Reagan, there's 6.
00:30:34.76\00:30:37.27
That maybe it's him
and they just kind of
00:30:37.47\00:30:39.73
dismiss the whole
idea because you can apply
00:30:39.93\00:30:43.51
you know 666 to a
number of different names.
00:30:43.71\00:30:47.08
But the fact is... And
that's why we started out with
00:30:47.28\00:30:49.21
those 10 facts in Revelation...
00:30:49.41\00:30:51.15
10 facts about the number...
00:30:51.35\00:30:54.02
is that Ronald
Reagan - if he's the guy
00:30:54.22\00:30:58.02
if he's the 666 man -
00:30:58.22\00:30:59.62
he has to fit all the
other facts of Revelation 13.
00:31:00.46\00:31:06.39
He has to fit ten facts.
00:31:06.59\00:31:08.23
He has to come out
of the Roman Empire.
00:31:08.43\00:31:10.27
You know, he has to have a
mouth speaking great things.
00:31:10.47\00:31:12.73
Make war on the saints.
00:31:12.93\00:31:14.27
He has to follow in the history
of the breakout of the Roman
00:31:14.30\00:31:17.77
Empire and all of the other
pieces need to fit together.
00:31:17.97\00:31:21.28
And they don't.
Um-hmm. And some people say:
00:31:21.48\00:31:23.38
"Well, it's Nero. " But he
doesn't fit all those facts.
00:31:23.58\00:31:26.15
And all the different
interpretations of 666-
00:31:26.35\00:31:28.58
all those alternative views
- they don't fit the facts.
00:31:28.78\00:31:32.15
There's only
one... only one beast
00:31:32.35\00:31:35.19
that fits all the
facts and only one name.
00:31:35.39\00:31:38.03
There's only one man
- which is the pope -
00:31:38.23\00:31:39.83
and there's only one
name - Vicarius Filii Dei -
00:31:40.03\00:31:42.40
that when you break
it down adds up to 666.
00:31:42.60\00:31:45.23
And so my book deals with
all these swirling issues.
00:31:45.43\00:31:47.90
If people go on the
Internet today and Google
00:31:48.10\00:31:49.94
Vicarius Filii Dei 666,
00:31:50.14\00:31:52.54
they're going to find
all kinds of different views.
00:31:52.74\00:31:54.68
And the Roman church has
certainly countered this.
00:31:54.88\00:31:57.41
They say: "Well, Protestants
say that Vicarius Filii Dei is
00:31:57.61\00:32:00.58
on the mitre of the pope or
a papal tiara but we've never
00:32:00.78\00:32:04.22
found that tiara" so
they dismiss it that way.
00:32:04.42\00:32:06.42
Some people say: "Well
it's impossible to understand
00:32:06.62\00:32:09.69
it anyway... it's
all speculation. "
00:32:09.89\00:32:11.26
But the text
says: "Here is wisdom.
00:32:11.46\00:32:13.03
Let him that has understanding
count this number. "
00:32:13.23\00:32:15.10
So we CAN understand it.
00:32:15.30\00:32:16.63
And again, you have to
apply all the ten facts.
00:32:16.67\00:32:19.10
And when you really look at
any different alternative theory
00:32:19.30\00:32:22.97
and if you apply the Biblical
facts of those ten points
00:32:23.17\00:32:27.51
there's only one
interpretation, James,
00:32:27.71\00:32:31.11
that fits all the facts.
00:32:31.31\00:32:33.42
And this one interpretation
used to be the dominant
00:32:33.62\00:32:37.32
interpretation of
the Protestant world.
00:32:37.52\00:32:39.25
And it's been lost sight
of, but my book resurrects it!
00:32:40.06\00:32:43.22
OK. This is growing, and
we've gotta understand this
00:32:43.43\00:32:46.33
because 666 identifies
00:32:46.53\00:32:49.60
the power that is
going to deceive the world
00:32:49.80\00:32:52.20
and the man that is
at the head of this.
00:32:52.40\00:32:55.20
OK. So we've just got a
little bit of time left.
00:32:55.40\00:32:57.91
We've got about
15-20 minutes left.
00:32:58.11\00:33:00.31
You just brought up something,
Steve, that kind of is...
00:33:01.18\00:33:03.65
is significant to me.
00:33:03.85\00:33:05.18
When you came out with
this book I got a copy of it
00:33:05.31\00:33:08.18
right away. I wanted to
look through it, go over it
00:33:08.38\00:33:10.19
because within our church
00:33:10.59\00:33:14.39
there were scholars...
and I'm talking about people
00:33:14.59\00:33:17.53
that have lots of
letters behind their names...
00:33:17.73\00:33:20.20
who made the claim
that we made a mistake
00:33:20.40\00:33:23.63
about this historically.
Even in some of the best books
00:33:23.83\00:33:26.40
that were written
and are recommended
00:33:26.60\00:33:28.40
to this day saying that
this name was written on
00:33:28.60\00:33:32.77
the mitre of the pope's crown
00:33:32.97\00:33:35.08
you know there was some
question mark about that.
00:33:35.28\00:33:38.38
And I remember reading
these scholarly reports
00:33:38.78\00:33:42.08
and thinking in my
mind: "Oh, wow! We've actually
00:33:42.28\00:33:45.69
maybe misunderstood this
or misrepresented this. "
00:33:45.89\00:33:47.96
How would you respond
to that kind of a claim?
00:33:48.16\00:33:50.89
Yeah. In The
666 Beast Identified
00:33:51.73\00:33:54.53
I go into that whole
controversy about the mitre.
00:33:54.73\00:33:57.40
It's true that there
were some eye-witness accounts
00:33:57.60\00:34:00.40
in the 1800's
that claim to have seen
00:34:00.60\00:34:03.00
Vicarius Filii Dei
on the papal tiara.
00:34:03.20\00:34:06.04
OK. And this become...
There was quite a discussion
00:34:06.24\00:34:08.81
about this, but we've
never actually been able to find
00:34:09.01\00:34:14.08
a tiara that has
that. So the Catholic church
00:34:14.28\00:34:16.45
has responded and said
the whole idea is bogus
00:34:16.65\00:34:20.29
because "no mitre no
crown... we've never found it. "
00:34:20.49\00:34:23.02
OK. And some people
even within our own church
00:34:23.22\00:34:25.96
have looked at that and said:
00:34:26.16\00:34:27.50
"We don't really have
a leg to stand on because
00:34:27.66\00:34:29.56
we used to say
it was on the mitre
00:34:29.76\00:34:31.27
and we've never found a
mitre so therefore the whole
00:34:31.47\00:34:33.47
interpretation just
goes out the window. "
00:34:33.67\00:34:35.70
But that's not true.
00:34:35.90\00:34:37.47
The fact is that
whether it ever was on a mitre
00:34:37.67\00:34:40.74
or a tiara
that's really irrelevant
00:34:40.94\00:34:43.35
because the text doesn't say it
has to be on the papal headgear.
00:34:43.55\00:34:47.78
The text just says it
has to fit all the Biblical
00:34:47.98\00:34:50.79
characteristics and it does.
00:34:50.99\00:34:52.62
Now another wind of doctrine
even within our own church
00:34:52.82\00:34:56.22
is that 666 really...
You have the number six,
00:34:56.42\00:35:00.46
another six, another six.
00:35:00.66\00:35:02.00
Adam was made on the 6th day.
00:35:02.20\00:35:03.97
Six is the number of man.
00:35:04.17\00:35:05.70
So triple 6's really means like
00:35:05.90\00:35:08.34
the ultimate
rebellion or imperfection
00:35:08.54\00:35:12.04
or humanity. It
doesn't apply to the pope.
00:35:12.24\00:35:14.48
It's just sort of a symbolic
number of the imperfection
00:35:14.68\00:35:17.48
of man. But that's a false view
00:35:17.68\00:35:19.65
because it assumes that
the number 6 is a bad number
00:35:19.85\00:35:23.12
which it isn't. On
the 6th day of creation
00:35:23.32\00:35:26.32
God said it was "very good. "
00:35:26.52\00:35:27.92
And in Revelation
chapter 4 you have
00:35:28.12\00:35:30.13
these living
creatures that have six wings.
00:35:30.33\00:35:32.33
And so... you know
and they're holy beings.
00:35:32.53\00:35:34.63
So the idea that 6 is
inherently a problematic number
00:35:34.83\00:35:38.60
is just numeral fiction.
00:35:38.80\00:35:41.70
It's not Biblical at all.
00:35:42.10\00:35:44.87
And not only that
but the text doesn't say
00:35:45.07\00:35:47.64
six six six. The text says
00:35:47.84\00:35:51.38
"six hundred sixty and six"
00:35:51.58\00:35:55.58
and that you have to calculate
it to get to that number.
00:35:55.78\00:35:59.05
So Helwig's interpretation
which like I said became
00:35:59.25\00:36:02.09
the dominant view of
Protestantism for a long time
00:36:02.29\00:36:05.39
this really does
fit. And my conviction is
00:36:05.59\00:36:08.76
as we get closer to
the end of Revelation 13
00:36:08.96\00:36:11.43
where we're getting
closer to the time of the mark,
00:36:11.63\00:36:13.60
we're losing our
freedoms, the world is heading
00:36:13.80\00:36:17.31
rapidly toward the final crisis
00:36:17.51\00:36:19.54
God wants us to get
down to those final verses
00:36:19.74\00:36:22.78
and not only understand the mark
00:36:22.98\00:36:25.28
but also the beast and the
name and the number of its name.
00:36:25.48\00:36:28.98
And we need to know
this, and before we're done
00:36:29.18\00:36:31.99
we need to also talk about
the spiritual meaning to us
00:36:32.19\00:36:35.72
which is really to
me the biggest issue.
00:36:35.92\00:36:38.86
I think that is the
biggest issue, Steve,
00:36:39.06\00:36:40.40
but I really appreciate
the clarification on the mitre
00:36:40.53\00:36:43.33
and a little bit
of the history here
00:36:43.73\00:36:45.07
because I think that Satan
is coming in and he's trying
00:36:45.17\00:36:48.14
to dismantle the
foundation of truth
00:36:48.34\00:36:51.84
and the identifying marks that
we have to remind our viewers
00:36:52.04\00:36:54.78
that God has put in His Word.
So God has written Revelation
00:36:54.98\00:36:58.31
chapter 13 and God has pro-
nounced a blessing on this Book:
00:36:58.51\00:37:01.42
"Blessed are those that
read and hear and keep the words
00:37:01.62\00:37:04.39
that are written therein.
" So it's really significant
00:37:04.59\00:37:06.69
I think that we remind ourselves
00:37:06.89\00:37:08.82
that these words are written by
00:37:09.02\00:37:10.86
a God who cares for
us; a God who loves us;
00:37:11.06\00:37:13.16
a God who does not
want us to be deceived.
00:37:13.46\00:37:15.36
You know, in Matthew 24
Jesus warns several times
00:37:15.56\00:37:18.73
about deception...
especially before His coming
00:37:18.93\00:37:21.74
or before His
return for His church.
00:37:21.94\00:37:24.47
And we need to recognize
that deception is in the air
00:37:24.67\00:37:28.08
we breathe. Today of
course we might call it
00:37:28.28\00:37:30.01
misinformation,
right? Or fake news.
00:37:30.21\00:37:33.01
But there's a lot of
deception taking place, Steve.
00:37:33.21\00:37:35.35
But yes, let's move to that.
00:37:35.75\00:37:37.09
I think that's the
primary reason why we're having
00:37:37.22\00:37:39.22
this whole program
is really to move to
00:37:39.42\00:37:41.82
you know: what does
this mean to me personally?
00:37:42.02\00:37:43.76
Is this all just a bunch
of history and symbolism?
00:37:43.96\00:37:47.03
Or does it have a personal
application to me in my own
00:37:47.23\00:37:49.86
heart and experience?
00:37:50.07\00:37:51.40
Right. Well, one thing
it means to us personally
00:37:52.17\00:37:54.47
is the whole world
really is looking to one man
00:37:54.67\00:38:00.44
as the dominant religious
authority on this planet
00:38:00.64\00:38:03.81
which is the man who's
dressed in white all the time
00:38:04.01\00:38:06.51
and who the politicians
and the media are looking to
00:38:06.72\00:38:10.02
to give guidance
in world affairs.
00:38:10.22\00:38:13.02
And we need to
recognize that that man
00:38:13.42\00:38:16.06
is really the 666 man
according to the Bible
00:38:16.26\00:38:19.13
and he's not a reliable guide.
00:38:19.33\00:38:21.23
Now the second point
has to do with what it means
00:38:21.43\00:38:24.30
in my heart. In
Revelation 15 verse 2
00:38:24.50\00:38:28.40
John says: "I saw as
it were a sea of glass
00:38:28.80\00:38:31.77
mingled with fire, and
them that had gotten the victory
00:38:31.97\00:38:34.34
over the beast
and over his image
00:38:34.54\00:38:36.58
and over his mark and
over the number of his name
00:38:36.78\00:38:39.85
standing on the sea of
glass having the harps of God. "
00:38:40.05\00:38:42.68
So this verse tells us that
God's going to have a people
00:38:43.08\00:38:45.92
who get the victory
over the beast, the image,
00:38:46.12\00:38:49.19
the mark, and the
number of his name.
00:38:49.39\00:38:51.23
And as I thought about
this, James, I prayed about this
00:38:51.63\00:38:53.83
and I've searched into this
00:38:54.03\00:38:55.36
I've concluded
that the beast itself
00:38:55.56\00:38:59.43
and the man and the name
00:38:59.63\00:39:01.97
and the interpretation of 666
00:39:02.17\00:39:04.87
really points to a person
who claims to be the voice
00:39:05.07\00:39:08.81
of God in the earth.
00:39:09.01\00:39:10.71
He claims to be the
ruler not only of the church
00:39:10.91\00:39:15.85
but of the state. OK.
He has TREMENDOUS power.
00:39:16.05\00:39:18.75
And in II Thessalonians 2:4
00:39:18.95\00:39:21.66
it describes this power as
being a "self-exalting power. "
00:39:21.86\00:39:26.29
It says he will "oppose
and he will exalt himself
00:39:27.06\00:39:29.86
above all that is called
God or that is worshiped. "
00:39:30.07\00:39:33.44
And if you really study this out
00:39:33.64\00:39:35.10
the principle of self-exaltation
00:39:35.30\00:39:38.61
is just immersed and interwoven
00:39:38.81\00:39:42.94
with the whole
history of the papal power
00:39:43.14\00:39:46.75
and this man claiming to
really be the voice of God
00:39:46.95\00:39:50.52
upon the earth.
00:39:50.72\00:39:52.05
And that
principle of self-exaltation
00:39:52.09\00:39:54.52
is not just a papal problem.
00:39:54.72\00:39:58.43
It's a problem that
really goes back to the devil
00:39:58.63\00:40:01.63
who exalted himself in
heaven and wanted to be...
00:40:01.83\00:40:04.40
be his own God.
00:40:04.60\00:40:05.93
And when Adam and Eve sinned
00:40:05.97\00:40:07.30
it's a problem that has
infected humanity. Um-hmm.
00:40:07.44\00:40:12.01
You know, it's infected Babylon.
00:40:12.21\00:40:14.61
It infected the Pharisees.
00:40:14.81\00:40:16.48
It infects Laodicea.
00:40:16.68\00:40:18.21
It has infected
people all throughout history
00:40:18.41\00:40:21.25
and it's something
that sad to say has infected
00:40:21.45\00:40:25.45
you know me and you. We
all have a fallen nature
00:40:25.65\00:40:28.76
that is prone
to self-exaltation.
00:40:28.96\00:40:32.39
And that's where
the scripture that says
00:40:32.59\00:40:35.70
"Humble yourself in
the sight of the Lord
00:40:35.90\00:40:38.47
and He will lift you up. "
00:40:38.67\00:40:40.00
And Jesus said in
Matthew 11 verse 29...
00:40:40.10\00:40:43.51
28 and 29 He said: "Come to Me
00:40:43.74\00:40:45.91
all you who are
weary and burdened
00:40:46.11\00:40:47.78
and I will give you
rest. Take My yoke upon you
00:40:47.98\00:40:49.98
and learn from Me for I am meek
00:40:50.18\00:40:52.81
and I am lowly in heart
00:40:53.01\00:40:54.95
and you will find
rest to your souls. "
00:40:55.15\00:40:56.95
And I've concluded that
in order to get the victory
00:40:57.15\00:40:59.42
over the beast, the image,
the mark, and the # of its name
00:40:59.62\00:41:02.12
which is symbolized by that
individual who claims to really
00:41:02.32\00:41:07.10
practically be God on earth
00:41:07.30\00:41:08.63
who is called "His
Holiness, " "the Holy Father, "
00:41:08.83\00:41:11.33
things like this which
are titles that should NEVER
00:41:11.53\00:41:13.70
apply to any mortal man
00:41:13.90\00:41:15.70
then we ourselves need to
get the victory over that same
00:41:15.90\00:41:20.51
principle of
self-exaltation and pride.
00:41:20.71\00:41:24.25
Um-hmm. And we need to humble
ourselves and focus on Jesus
00:41:24.45\00:41:27.35
because He's the Lamb who
is meek and lowly in heart.
00:41:27.55\00:41:31.25
And the battle, James, is
between the beast and the Lamb,
00:41:31.45\00:41:34.12
between pride and humility.
00:41:34.32\00:41:36.52
And we need to be purified
from that self-exaltation
00:41:36.73\00:41:41.66
which is so natural
to all of us - um-hmm -
00:41:41.86\00:41:46.10
and become Like Jesus through
His grace and through His power.
00:41:46.30\00:41:50.27
And that's really what
it means to me and to you.
00:41:50.67\00:41:54.34
Amen; Amen! So,
friends, we need to recognize
00:41:54.54\00:41:58.28
that what God is doing
in Revelation chapter 13
00:41:58.48\00:42:01.58
is He's pointing us to the
Lamb in contrast to humanity.
00:42:01.78\00:42:06.19
Because really the beast
is a composite of the whole
00:42:06.59\00:42:08.99
human race. It's a
composite of who we are.
00:42:09.19\00:42:11.13
And the reason why the
world "wonders after the beast"
00:42:11.53\00:42:13.76
is because the beast is
revealing the very principles
00:42:13.96\00:42:16.93
that we are imbibing
ourselves individually.
00:42:17.13\00:42:20.27
One of the ways that I see
us imbibing this principle more
00:42:20.47\00:42:22.87
than any other in these
last days is through media.
00:42:23.07\00:42:26.14
You know: through
Facebook; through Twitter;
00:42:26.34\00:42:28.21
through Instagram
where the focus is very much
00:42:28.41\00:42:31.01
on ourselves. We get
our little hits, you know.
00:42:31.21\00:42:33.38
Our little likes, and we
just get consumed in all of that
00:42:33.58\00:42:37.95
in order for us to feel
better maybe about ourselves.
00:42:38.15\00:42:41.56
And the more likes we
get the more followers we get
00:42:41.76\00:42:44.43
you know as if we were
to have people following us.
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We need to follow the
Lamb and there's the contrast.
00:42:48.03\00:42:50.90
In fact, it's really
interesting, isn't it Steve?
00:42:51.10\00:42:53.34
that in Revelation
chapter 14 you have the antidote
00:42:53.54\00:42:56.30
if you will to the beast power.
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And the antidote to the beast
power in Revelation chapter 14
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and verse 4 says:
00:43:02.71\00:43:04.38
"These are they which
are not defiled with women
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for they are virgins.
These are they which follow
00:43:07.45\00:43:09.72
the Lamb
whithersoever He goeth. "
00:43:09.92\00:43:12.69
And I don't want to
speak negatively about Facebook
00:43:13.32\00:43:17.69
or Twitter. A lot of
people use those accounts
00:43:17.89\00:43:20.53
you know to witness and to
share and to stay connected.
00:43:20.73\00:43:25.37
And Paul even says
in I Corinthians 11
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"Be ye followers - even
as I also - of Christ. "
00:43:28.10\00:43:30.81
And if we're following Christ
00:43:31.01\00:43:32.74
praise the Lord that
we can lead other people.
00:43:32.94\00:43:34.74
You know, use those
platforms to lead other people
00:43:34.94\00:43:37.31
to follow Christ. But many
times Satan comes in through
00:43:37.51\00:43:40.05
the back door you know
as he has done so many times
00:43:40.25\00:43:43.55
with God's people and is
doing in these last days.
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And he undermines that motiva-
tion to direct people to Jesus.
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You know, we think
about Daniel for example.
00:43:51.96\00:43:53.86
You remember when he first
was brought in before the king
00:43:54.06\00:43:57.57
because he was going to die
with the rest of the wise men
00:43:57.77\00:43:59.20
of Babylon. And
King Nebuchadnezzar
00:43:59.47\00:44:01.90
had that dream that
he couldn't remember.
00:44:02.30\00:44:04.34
And Daniel was asking Arioch,
00:44:04.54\00:44:08.44
the king's guard:
"What's 'troubling the king? "
00:44:08.64\00:44:10.31
And he went in to
inquire of the king
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if he could be given time.
He went back to his friends.
00:44:13.55\00:44:15.25
They prayed together, and
as they prayed God gave him
00:44:15.45\00:44:17.55
an answer. And
Daniel goes back in
00:44:17.75\00:44:19.75
and Arioch says:
"I found the man! "
00:44:19.95\00:44:21.42
Nebuchadnezzar
says: "Are you the one? "
00:44:21.62\00:44:23.99
"Can you answer this dream? "
00:44:24.19\00:44:25.59
And Daniel says:
"None of your wise men,
00:44:25.79\00:44:27.76
your soothsayers,
none of your astrologers
00:44:27.96\00:44:29.56
can answer this but
there is a God in heaven. "
00:44:29.76\00:44:31.13
He complete obscures himself.
00:44:31.33\00:44:33.64
He gives all the
glory to God. That's right!
00:44:33.84\00:44:35.54
And that's really the principle
we're talking about here.
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That's right
exactly. And the big metal man
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finally gets hit with a rock
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and the man crumbles. Um-hmm.
00:44:43.38\00:44:45.25
And there's a message there:
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"Man and self-exaltation
is going to go down -
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um-hmm - and the Rock of Ages
is going to endure forever. "
00:44:52.15\00:44:55.72
The rock represents
Jesus Christ and His kingdom.
00:44:55.92\00:44:58.19
And Jesus said we must
"fall on the Rock & be broken. "
00:44:58.39\00:45:01.10
Our self. You know,
you could say "selfies. "
00:45:01.30\00:45:06.03
I think it's funny or
instructive that the word
00:45:06.23\00:45:10.17
"selfie" - that's our problem
00:45:10.37\00:45:12.41
is we're selfies...
we're too self-exalting
00:45:12.61\00:45:15.54
and we need to learn
humility from Jesus Christ.
00:45:15.74\00:45:17.88
And I want to make
it clear that my book
00:45:18.08\00:45:19.65
The 666 Beast Identified
is not an attack on Catholics
00:45:19.85\00:45:22.98
'cause we all have this problem.
00:45:23.18\00:45:25.22
But it does identify the
real beast and the real man
00:45:25.42\00:45:27.86
that we need to
not be led astray by
00:45:28.06\00:45:29.96
and it points us all - ALL
of us - Catholics, Protestants,
00:45:30.16\00:45:33.23
Jews, everybody - to
Jesus Christ our Savior.
00:45:33.43\00:45:36.06
Amen! I think one of the
things you mentioned just now,
00:45:36.26\00:45:38.43
Steve: you know we
all have this "I" problem.
00:45:38.63\00:45:40.50
You know, we have our
iPhone; we have our iPad;
00:45:40.70\00:45:42.90
and we have our
iMac... all of it.
00:45:43.10\00:45:45.37
It's just so prominent we
don't even think about it.
00:45:45.57\00:45:48.24
But the "I" problem is
right here in the Bible.
00:45:48.64\00:45:51.51
Isaiah chapter 14
verses 12 through 14
00:45:51.71\00:45:54.55
where this first
issue is identified
00:45:54.95\00:45:57.95
in the heart of
Satan and his desire.
00:45:58.15\00:46:01.09
Let's just read those verses.
His desire in chapter 12:
00:46:01.29\00:46:04.79
"How art thou fallen
from heaven, O Lucifer,
00:46:04.99\00:46:06.76
son of the morning?
How art thou cut down
00:46:06.96\00:46:09.36
to the ground which
did weaken the nations? "
00:46:09.56\00:46:10.97
Right? "For thou has
said in thine heart... "
00:46:11.13\00:46:13.44
So it wasn't necessarily
out loud, but in his heart
00:46:13.64\00:46:15.54
he said: "I will
ascend to the heavens.
00:46:15.74\00:46:18.07
I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God.
00:46:18.27\00:46:20.41
I will sit on the
mount of the congregation
00:46:20.61\00:46:22.44
in the sides of the
north. I will ascend above
00:46:22.64\00:46:24.55
the heights of the clouds. I
will be like the Most High. "
00:46:24.75\00:46:27.92
So he had an "I"
problem; we have a self-problem.
00:46:28.65\00:46:31.09
We inherited that from Satan -
that's right - as we obeyed him,
00:46:31.29\00:46:35.02
as we followed him
we've inherited that from him.
00:46:35.22\00:46:38.16
And the problem with
this of course, is that
00:46:38.36\00:46:41.00
these verses are actually
a mischaracterization of God.
00:46:41.20\00:46:44.37
You know, God is not One
that wants to exalt Himself.
00:46:44.57\00:46:47.67
God is One that humbles Himself.
00:46:47.87\00:46:50.11
And I think about that in the
manifestation of Jesus Christ
00:46:50.31\00:46:53.31
who came. Being
equal with God didn't
00:46:53.51\00:46:56.48
think it a thing to be grasped
onto to be equal with God.
00:46:56.68\00:46:59.01
But humbled
Himself; became a man.
00:46:59.21\00:47:00.92
Took the form of a servant
and died the death of the cross
00:47:01.12\00:47:05.05
that we might be saved.
00:47:05.25\00:47:06.59
And when we get to
heaven we are actually there
00:47:06.65\00:47:09.12
by faith in Jesus Christ
and His righteousness alone.
00:47:09.32\00:47:11.83
We're going to sit at that great
marriage supper of the Lamb
00:47:12.03\00:47:14.60
and who's going to serve us?
00:47:14.80\00:47:16.13
Jesus Christ is going to serve
us. It's going to be Jesus! Yes!
00:47:16.16\00:47:18.97
And that's the character of God.
00:47:19.33\00:47:20.97
The character of God
is a character of service.
00:47:21.17\00:47:23.30
And we think about... The
other day I was thinking about
00:47:23.51\00:47:27.08
Christianity, friends,
and I was thinking about how
00:47:27.28\00:47:28.88
we view Christianity. And
many times we view Christianity
00:47:29.08\00:47:31.81
as something that we
get. We get eternal life;
00:47:32.01\00:47:34.62
we get blessings; and
God's going to give us this
00:47:34.82\00:47:36.38
and God's going to give
us that and God's going to do
00:47:36.58\00:47:37.92
this and God's
going to do that for us
00:47:38.09\00:47:40.16
and that's really not the pic-
ture that we find in the Bible.
00:47:40.36\00:47:42.66
In the Bible we find a
picture of Christianity
00:47:42.86\00:47:45.73
that's a picture of
service, of giving, of humility,
00:47:45.93\00:47:48.93
of other centeredness.
00:47:49.13\00:47:50.83
And that's the way we were
made; that's the image in which
00:47:51.03\00:47:53.03
we were created. And
it's when we are restored
00:47:53.23\00:47:56.30
to that image that we
find our greatest joy.
00:47:56.50\00:47:58.34
Our greatest joy is
in serving and giving.
00:47:58.54\00:48:01.14
Our greatest joy is
in humbling ourselves
00:48:01.34\00:48:03.88
and being like our
Master Jesus Christ.
00:48:04.08\00:48:06.01
And this spirit in
Revelation chapter 13 is exactly
00:48:06.21\00:48:09.55
the opposite. And so the
way out of this, friends,
00:48:09.75\00:48:12.22
is to follow the Lamb. That's
the only option that we have.
00:48:12.42\00:48:14.86
We can't pull ourselves
out of this by our bootstraps.
00:48:15.06\00:48:17.69
We have to have
our focus on Jesus
00:48:17.89\00:48:20.46
and He'll lead us out of this.
00:48:20.66\00:48:22.00
Because who can discern
the heart? You know, who can
00:48:22.10\00:48:24.07
know the depth of the heart?
It's wicked above all things
00:48:24.27\00:48:27.50
and desperately...
00:48:27.70\00:48:29.04
So... But Jesus does know
our hearts and He's the One that
00:48:29.07\00:48:32.74
can lead us out
of this deception
00:48:32.94\00:48:35.61
which is not just a
worldwide deception.
00:48:35.81\00:48:37.71
It's also a
self-deception, you know?
00:48:37.91\00:48:39.51
We deceive ourselves...
the Laodicean church:
00:48:39.71\00:48:41.45
completely
deceived. We deceive ourselves
00:48:41.65\00:48:43.69
and lead us away from the
name, the mark, and the image,
00:48:43.89\00:48:47.99
the number of the beast.
00:48:48.19\00:48:49.69
So Steve, what else?
Is there anything else
00:48:50.09\00:48:51.86
you'd like to say in
closing as we wrap this up?
00:48:52.06\00:48:54.36
Any other thoughts
that come to your mind
00:48:54.56\00:48:56.30
other than the fact that
I'd like to encourage everyone
00:48:56.50\00:48:58.63
to get a copy of this book
00:48:58.83\00:49:00.17
for sure and be
familiar with this history.
00:49:00.30\00:49:03.04
Yeah, I think you've
done a great job, James,
00:49:04.31\00:49:06.98
in summarizing that whole issue.
00:49:07.18\00:49:08.51
That the issue of the
beast, the image, the mark,
00:49:08.64\00:49:10.58
the number: the bigger issue
swirling through those issues
00:49:10.78\00:49:15.15
is the ultimate
issue of God's character
00:49:15.35\00:49:16.99
and love and service
versus self-exaltation.
00:49:17.19\00:49:20.16
Amen. To me,
it's very interesting
00:49:20.36\00:49:22.09
in the last verse of
Revelation chapter 13 verse 18.
00:49:22.29\00:49:25.69
Says: "Here is wisdom:
00:49:25.89\00:49:27.53
let him that has understanding
count the number of the beast
00:49:27.73\00:49:30.47
for it is the number of a man
00:49:30.67\00:49:32.57
and his number is six
hundred-three score and six. "
00:49:32.77\00:49:35.47
And then the next verse says:
00:49:35.67\00:49:37.61
"I looked, and lo, a
Lamb stood on Mount Zion
00:49:37.81\00:49:40.98
and with Him 144,000
00:49:41.14\00:49:43.65
having His Father's
name" which is God's character
00:49:43.75\00:49:47.15
"written in their foreheads. "
00:49:47.35\00:49:49.35
So you have the
contrast right there
00:49:49.55\00:49:51.39
between the beast and the Lamb.
00:49:51.59\00:49:53.86
Between the beast/man
and the humility of Christ
00:49:54.06\00:49:56.96
and the people that are
following Him all the way.
00:49:57.16\00:50:00.23
And we all want to be...
Hopefully we want to be part of
00:50:00.43\00:50:03.06
the Lamb followers and
not the beast followers.
00:50:03.26\00:50:07.04
And these are Biblical issues;
they're in the Word of God.
00:50:07.24\00:50:10.11
The Lord wants us
to understand them,
00:50:10.31\00:50:12.61
to have wisdom about them,
00:50:12.81\00:50:14.98
to understand what's
happening in this world
00:50:15.18\00:50:17.55
when the world is wondering
after this man in white
00:50:17.75\00:50:20.88
that they think is
the voice of God on earth.
00:50:21.08\00:50:23.52
We need to know he's
not the voice of God.
00:50:23.72\00:50:26.52
We need to listen to the
voice of Jesus... Jesus Christ
00:50:26.72\00:50:31.76
and the Word of
God, and stick with Him
00:50:31.96\00:50:34.70
humbly and closely -
um-hmm - and trusting
00:50:34.90\00:50:39.40
that Jesus is
going to bring us through
00:50:39.60\00:50:41.94
and get us out of
here and into glory.
00:50:42.14\00:50:44.47
And develop His character
of service like you said.
00:50:44.67\00:50:48.08
Of other centeredness. Um-hmm.
00:50:48.28\00:50:50.05
That's what the
Bible's all about. Amen!
00:50:50.25\00:50:53.55
And there's nothing
greater than the Lamb
00:50:53.75\00:50:55.52
who sacrificed
Himself for you and for me.
00:50:55.72\00:50:58.75
Amen. Praise the Lord, James.
00:50:58.95\00:51:00.32
Glad that we could do
this even though I'm not there
00:51:00.52\00:51:03.19
with you. You're over
there at 3ABN and I'm in Idaho.
00:51:03.39\00:51:06.29
God can still use
what we're doing together
00:51:06.49\00:51:09.46
to glorify His name and
advance His truth. Um-hmm!
00:51:09.66\00:51:12.80
Yeah, I've always appreciated
that about you, Steve.
00:51:13.00\00:51:15.20
I've always appreciated
that about the emphasis
00:51:15.40\00:51:17.64
of your ministry. And that is
that it's not just an emphasis
00:51:17.84\00:51:21.28
on history and prophecy;
it's not just an emphasis
00:51:21.48\00:51:23.65
on the truths that
we've been looking at here
00:51:23.85\00:51:26.48
but it's also an emphasis on
practical Christian experience.
00:51:26.68\00:51:29.62
I really think that's important
00:51:30.02\00:51:32.22
for those of you
who are listening in.
00:51:32.42\00:51:34.22
We need to... As we
decipher all of this
00:51:34.42\00:51:36.76
we need to remember that
this is about our relationship
00:51:36.96\00:51:39.23
with Jesus Christ.
00:51:39.43\00:51:40.76
It's not just
about our head knowledge;
00:51:40.80\00:51:42.13
it's about a heart experience
that God wants us to have
00:51:42.20\00:51:44.40
with Him. Anyway, we have
just about run out of time.
00:51:44.60\00:51:47.90
We want to encourage you
to get ahold of this book.
00:51:48.10\00:51:49.70
Don't go away...
we'll be right back.
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