As you're well aware,
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we're living in
unprecedented times.
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Join us now for
Today special program.
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain Lord,
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Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome to
another 3ABN Today program.
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I'm Jason
Bradley, and I'm so glad
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that you've decided to join us.
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We're going to be
covering a very important topic.
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It's a heavy one.
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We're going to be talking
about clergy sexual abuse.
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And here to discuss that
is the Hope of Survivors,
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a wonderful ministry,
and we have Jackie Jeldwyn.
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Yes. Yes.
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Now, tell me a
little bit about that name
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because that's your
ministry name, correct?
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It is.
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I chose to use the ministry name
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because that helps
me be able to open up
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more to my clients
to serve them better.
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And yet at the same time,
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it protects
innocent family members
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from having to endure
more humiliation and shame.
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I just want to share everything
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that may be of
help to my clients.
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Got you. And tell
me your role briefly?
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I serve as the team leader
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for the pastors' wives division.
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And we seek to support
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the pastors'
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wives when their husbands
have surrendered to sin.
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We'll talk more about that. Yes.
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We're going to, definitely,
dive deeper into that.
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And sitting right next to
you, we have Martin Weber.
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And tell me a little
bit about what you do
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with The Hope of Survivors?
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Well, for the past 14
years, I've been a volunteer.
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I'd been a law
enforcement chaplain.
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And one of my colleagues,
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I had to report
him for sexual abuse
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of a person he
was called to serve.
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That was tough, unfortunately,
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in the mercy of God at the time.
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My doctor supervisor
had gotten her own doctorate
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at Princeton University,
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working with victims
of religious sexual abuse.
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And so I was able to
get help from her in dealing
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with this
real-life issue in the field.
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And then several years later,
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I was giving a
report of some of this.
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And Steve and Samantha,
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our founders of
the Hope of Survivors,
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asked me to join the team.
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Yes.
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And so for a while
I was board chairman,
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and as our
founders have retired,
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they asked me to serve
as a president and chairman
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of the organization,
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working with this
wonderful team here.
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Amen.
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And Shyleene Rosado-Rosero.
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Rosado-Rosero. Yes. Did
I pronounce that properly?
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All right, tell me a
little bit about what you do
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with The Hope of Survivors?
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Well, actually, I came across
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with the Hope of
Survivors here in 3ABN
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when I met
Samantha and Steve Nelson.
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The interesting thing was that
my English was very limited.
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And for Samantha,
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her Spanish was
poor from high school.
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So we believe that
God direct our meeting
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and we can understand
each other at that time.
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The Hope of Survivors
gave me the opportunity
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to work as a volunteer in 2008
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for the present in
the Latino division,
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La Esperanza de
los Sobrevivientes.
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And I have the
opportunity to work with victims
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to support them, their spouse,
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and also to educate
leaders and church members.
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Wow. So it sounds
like you've been busy.
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Yes.
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Yes, and sitting next to
you, we have your husband,
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Carlos Rosero.
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It's great to
have you here, Carlos.
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Thank you, likewise.
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I'm the new member of the
team now that Steve and Samantha
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decided to
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retire.
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I'm working on
the treasure area,
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and technology too.
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So those two areas
are going to be my role
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in The Hope of Survivors.
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Nice and a very
important role it is.
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I too want to add.
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He said that he's new in
the ministry but since 2008,
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I have his support and his help
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in the La Esperanza
de los Sobrevivientes
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and in The Hope of Survivors.
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Yes, that's correct. Praise God.
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Yes, yes.
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My stress level went down 50%
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after he took the
role of our technologies.
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It's amazing. He spends
time on the phone with me
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and gets me all
straightened out with that
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and great with the...
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as a treasurer as well.
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So what a blessing
to work with this team?
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Absolutely, I was
just going to say that.
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It's a tremendous blessing.
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And before we dive deeper,
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we are going to be
blessed in song by Hope Vasquez.
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And she's singing a
song entitled Blessings.
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We pray for blessing
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We pray for peace
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Comfort for family Protection
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While we sleep
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We pray for healing
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Prosperity
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We pray for Your mighty hand
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To ease our suffering
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And all the while
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You hear each spoken need
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Yet love is way too much
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To give us lesser things
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'Cause what if your
blessings Come through raindrops
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What if Your
healing comes through tears
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What if a
thousand sleepless nights
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Are what it takes
to know You're near
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And what if trials of this life
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Are Your mercies
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In disguise
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We pray for wisdom
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Your voice to hear
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We cry in anger
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when we cannot feel You near
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We doubt Your goodness
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We doubt Your love
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As if every
promise from Your Word
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Is not enough
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And all the while
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You hear each desperate plea
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And long as we have faith
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To believe
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'Cause what if your
blessings Come through raindrops
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What if Your
healing comes through tears
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What if a
thousand sleepless nights
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Are what it takes
to know You're near
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And what if trials of
this life Are Your mercies
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In disguise
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When friends betray us
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When darkness seems to win
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We know that pain
reminds this heart
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That this is not
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This is not our
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Home
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It's not our
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Home
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'Cause what if your
blessings Come through raindrops
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What if Your
healing comes through tears
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What if a
thousand sleepless nights
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Are what it takes
to know You're near
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And what if my
greatest disappointments
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Or the aching of this life
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Is the revealing
of a greater thirst
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This world can't satisfy
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And what if trials of this life
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The rain, the
storms, the hardest nights
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Are your mercies
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In disguise
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What a beautiful song,
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and so many
things to be thankful
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for God's many blessings.
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I want to dive
into this heavy topic.
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And I guess my first question
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would be why do some pastors
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become sexual predators?
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Most pastors have
never intended to do
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that such a thing.
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Now, there are sociopaths
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that are evil at heart.
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And they use the work of God
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to fleece the
sheep in this evil way,
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and there are
some in their category.
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But most guys,
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they want to be
faithful husbands
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and faithful to their calling
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but then they get busy.
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And some children come along
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and things get a little stressed
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and they meet someone
in their congregation,
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who might comfort some counsel.
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And there's a bond,
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perhaps, formed there
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and which is fine so far.
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But Steve and Samantha
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recommend that I
always practice that.
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I don't do counseling with...
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I don't think
pastors do counseling.
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It's one thing to have
an initial conversation,
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problem gets identified.
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When I was out in Roseville,
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California we had a licensed
counselor come every Wednesday,
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for a minimum fee of $25.
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People could
spend an hour with him
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and talk through their issues,
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which helped me free to be
a law enforcement chaplain.
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And also
protected my relationship
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with congregants
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from being going into areas
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where it shouldn't be.
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So in other words,
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you established an
extra set of boundaries?
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Yes, sure.
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So I mean, a person
doesn't have to be evil
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just in normal
relation to their attractions.
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But there's
something about in church,
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we open our hearts, we worship,
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we talk about
our deepest feelings.
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And that's a wonderful thing,
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to be honest to God
and honest with each other
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but there's also
vulnerability inherent in that.
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Now, three churches that
I've pastored my predecessors
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had been abusers,
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clergy sexual abusers,
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three of the 11
churches where I pastored.
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And so the first couple of times
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I was young in my 20s.
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I didn't really know what to do.
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I wasn't aware of it
and just tried my best
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to work with the
people I knew had been hurt.
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And the third time...
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that's when my supervisor,
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who had done her own work,
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she was able to mentor me.
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And it was very different then,
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and I was able to help hold
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the perpetrating
pastor accountable.
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And how did you go about holding
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the perpetrating
pastor accountable?
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Well, the women
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who had been
wronged by this man,
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I asked if they
would be interested
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in meeting together
with their husbands and me.
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Yes.
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And so we talked for an
hour or two and I said...
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First, I apologized on behalf
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of the profession of ministry
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that they had to
suffer like this.
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I mean, it
wasn't their fault and,
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because the clergy pastor
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is always responsible
if something goes wrong,
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just like in a school
or any kind of workplace
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or medical practice.
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First, do no harm is
when I worked in hospital
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as a chaplain,
the Hippocratic Oath.
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And so in the ministry,
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first do no harm before
you think about preaching,
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before you think about visiting,
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discipling, first do no harm.
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And so I explained
how this pastor got off
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to a good start but obviously,
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we're having this
meeting because he became
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a predator.
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There wasn't necessarily
a moment where he say,
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"I'm going to be a predator."
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It just you're
slipped in, you know?
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And so, I said, "So
you've suffered wrongly.
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What can I do as
your present pastor
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that you might find helpful?"
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So he said, "Well,
we'd love to confront him."
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And so I invited him.
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He was at somewhere else
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at a different part of
the country and he came.
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And I said, "This
is going to be rough.
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These women and their
husbands are going to be real."
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And they spoke out their
pain and they confronted him
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and he listened.
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Wow. And tears were shed.
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I experienced them
as being sincere tears.
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I don't think this man
was in any way sociopathic.
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He just allowed himself
to slip into sin and forgot
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who he was and who he wasn't.
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He was their
shepherd not their lover.
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And so there, actually,
was quite a bit of healing
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out of that.
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But this situation is
so rare as to be almost...
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usually the perpetrator
will so busy defending himself.
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He'll never show up.
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And I was going to
bring that out that,
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you know, it is interesting
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that he did take
the step of showing up
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in front of their
husbands, in front of...
00:17:49.83\00:17:52.10
like that.
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That was a huge step in
that reconciliation process
00:17:53.50\00:17:58.01
so that's good that some
healings able to take place.
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I think it's also
important to point out
00:18:02.98\00:18:04.71
that he wasn't just
like, inherently evil,
00:18:04.75\00:18:08.28
or he didn't just say, "Oh,
I'm going to be a predator,"
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because that shows that
people can slip into that.
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Yes. All right.
00:18:14.49\00:18:15.99
So let's talk about
how pastoral predators
00:18:16.02\00:18:19.46
groom their victims?
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It's an insidious process.
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First, they
might say to a person
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that they find
themselves attracted to say,
00:18:32.31\00:18:36.98
"You seem to
really love the Lord.
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And I experienced you
as a person that has talent
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and the church
would so much be able
00:18:43.89\00:18:47.12
to use your talent in ministry.
00:18:47.16\00:18:51.89
I have a limited
amount of time set aside
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to disciple members directly.
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Would you be interested in that?
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We can meet in
my office and talk
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and then we could go out
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and visit people together."
00:19:05.24\00:19:07.84
And so the first time...
00:19:07.88\00:19:13.25
I'm just speaking,
00:19:13.28\00:19:14.68
and this is not a particular
experience but just general.
00:19:14.72\00:19:18.39
A
generalization, yes. Yes, okay.
00:19:18.42\00:19:19.79
So the first time
and driving back so,
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"How did you think about that?"
00:19:23.99\00:19:25.33
And of course, her
heart is full of joy
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because she's
been able to minister
00:19:27.43\00:19:29.36
and she's honored to
do it with the pastor,
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the second time, "Oh
hey, let's stop at Starbucks
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and debrief a little bit."
00:19:35.70\00:19:38.31
The third time, "Oh,
you know, I forgot my Bible.
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It's at the house."
00:19:42.98\00:19:45.28
And so they
wind up at his house,
00:19:45.31\00:19:48.88
"Oh, would you like to come in?"
00:19:48.92\00:19:50.39
And this is the type
00:19:50.42\00:19:52.55
of gradual incremental evil
00:19:52.59\00:19:58.49
that comes in.
00:19:58.53\00:20:00.23
Now, for a pastor
to be that strategic,
00:20:00.26\00:20:04.37
this is beyond the
phase of anyone just kind of,
00:20:04.40\00:20:08.17
just slipping into this thing.
00:20:08.20\00:20:10.04
They're evil at that point.
00:20:10.07\00:20:14.44
But if they have talent,
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and they know how to speak
00:20:19.21\00:20:21.85
and tell stories and but...
00:20:21.88\00:20:25.82
So there's some
manipulation that occurs? Yes.
00:20:25.85\00:20:28.99
Now, again, a person
could be entirely innocent.
00:20:29.02\00:20:32.23
I remember one time for me.
00:20:36.73\00:20:38.93
My daughter
invited a friend over,
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my wife cooked a nice meal
00:20:41.64\00:20:43.37
and afterward our
cats were frolicking
00:20:43.41\00:20:45.31
so we were just
joking about the cats.
00:20:45.34\00:20:48.38
And I was talking about a book
00:20:48.41\00:20:50.25
I wanted to write about
a cat Louis that we had.
00:20:50.28\00:20:52.75
Louis goes to Maui,
00:20:52.78\00:20:54.12
spiritual
lessons for cat lovers.
00:20:54.15\00:20:56.48
And so my daughter's friend
00:20:56.52\00:21:00.39
was very...
00:21:00.42\00:21:02.62
She was laughing and laughing
and so I told more stories.
00:21:02.66\00:21:06.06
And it was just really...
00:21:06.09\00:21:08.46
a great social
experience on the surface
00:21:11.97\00:21:14.24
until there was a card
00:21:14.27\00:21:17.71
on my desk in the office
00:21:17.74\00:21:20.41
that invited me into
an inappropriate type
00:21:20.44\00:21:25.58
of situation, very cleverly,
00:21:25.61\00:21:29.95
but you know...
00:21:29.98\00:21:31.45
So I brought it
home and showed my wife,
00:21:31.49\00:21:32.99
showed to Darlene and she's,
00:21:33.02\00:21:35.59
"How could you be that way?"
00:21:35.62\00:21:37.16
And I said, "Actually,
00:21:37.19\00:21:40.16
I should have not
been so jovial there.
00:21:40.20\00:21:44.43
She connected with that,
00:21:44.47\00:21:46.07
and I knew she
thought it was funny."
00:21:46.10\00:21:48.20
And I don't have the luxury
00:21:48.24\00:21:52.57
of just being another person.
00:21:52.61\00:21:55.21
I'm the pastor. I
have to tone myself down.
00:21:55.24\00:21:58.31
I have to hold myself back.
00:21:58.35\00:22:00.38
So in my mind, I was
just having fun with the cats,
00:22:00.42\00:22:02.85
my daughter and
my wife was there.
00:22:02.88\00:22:04.45
And I had to basically
educate my wife that "Hey,
00:22:04.49\00:22:09.56
you were there and
you didn't even see...
00:22:09.59\00:22:13.70
I didn't intend...
00:22:13.73\00:22:15.36
You would have caught it
00:22:15.40\00:22:18.63
but this person was vulnerable."
00:22:18.67\00:22:22.04
And so, in that particular case,
00:22:22.07\00:22:26.61
we're able, my wife
and I contacted her,
00:22:26.64\00:22:32.25
the person, the young lady,
00:22:32.28\00:22:34.12
and asked if we
could go with her mother
00:22:34.15\00:22:36.99
to see a counselor.
00:22:37.02\00:22:38.35
The four of us, my wife,
myself, she and her mother,
00:22:38.39\00:22:41.32
and we did, a
licensed counselor.
00:22:41.36\00:22:42.82
Nice.
00:22:42.86\00:22:44.19
And there was a
beautiful resolution
00:22:44.23\00:22:48.20
of that situation that really...
00:22:48.23\00:22:53.07
But that's exactly
the type of situation
00:22:53.10\00:22:56.44
that a pastor that means well.
00:22:56.47\00:22:59.31
And I can say it, I meant well.
00:22:59.34\00:23:03.04
Pastor doesn't
have the privilege
00:23:03.08\00:23:05.35
of just hanging...
00:23:05.38\00:23:08.75
You just can't be
hanging out with people.
00:23:08.78\00:23:10.69
We're always on duty.
00:23:10.72\00:23:12.85
We're never off duty.
00:23:12.89\00:23:14.49
Yes, 24/7.
00:23:14.52\00:23:16.19
You know it's good
that you saw the signs.
00:23:16.22\00:23:18.86
You noticed the
signs at the early stages,
00:23:18.89\00:23:22.30
and you took a
shift in direction,
00:23:22.33\00:23:24.50
you know, to rectify
the situation, right?
00:23:24.53\00:23:29.07
I know with this
particular type of thing
00:23:29.10\00:23:33.58
there's a lot of
collateral damage that occurs.
00:23:33.61\00:23:36.64
And so, Jackie, I want
to talk to you for a moment
00:23:36.68\00:23:39.55
and find out your role
00:23:39.58\00:23:42.08
because you're the
wife support services.
00:23:42.12\00:23:45.69
You're part of that team,
00:23:45.72\00:23:47.72
so tell us a
little bit about that?
00:23:47.76\00:23:50.23
Well, maybe we could
have at the beginning
00:23:50.26\00:23:54.13
our graphic that just
gives a real quick summary
00:23:54.16\00:23:58.70
of what our Pastors' Wives
00:23:58.73\00:24:01.30
Division seeks to...
00:24:01.34\00:24:04.54
Yes.
00:24:04.57\00:24:06.78
The way it seeks to serve.
00:24:06.81\00:24:09.71
You see, we have here someone
00:24:09.74\00:24:14.05
that you admire
00:24:14.08\00:24:19.02
is devastated by
her pastor husband's
00:24:19.05\00:24:23.86
surrender to sin
00:24:23.89\00:24:26.63
and we're here to help.
00:24:26.66\00:24:29.86
That's it in a nutshell.
00:24:29.90\00:24:32.80
And to take from where Martin
00:24:32.83\00:24:38.31
so eloquently spoke,
00:24:38.34\00:24:41.18
the Pastors' Wives Division
00:24:41.21\00:24:45.98
gets a call
from a pastor's wife,
00:24:46.01\00:24:50.29
who has discovered
her husband's situation.
00:24:50.32\00:24:55.52
The reality, often
it is a total shock.
00:24:55.56\00:25:00.80
The pastor who
surrenders to sin,
00:25:00.83\00:25:04.03
his whole persona is
caught up in his image
00:25:04.07\00:25:08.50
of spirituality,
00:25:08.54\00:25:10.77
and shepherdship
00:25:10.81\00:25:12.91
and so often his
wife is clueless.
00:25:12.94\00:25:17.11
If his wife does have any idea,
00:25:17.15\00:25:20.42
usually, he has
couched this situation
00:25:20.45\00:25:26.22
whatever it may be,
00:25:26.25\00:25:27.92
with deflection and
blame of someone else.
00:25:27.96\00:25:32.19
From her perspective,
00:25:32.23\00:25:35.76
the pastors' wives that call us
00:25:35.80\00:25:39.23
really deeply care
about their calling
00:25:39.27\00:25:44.77
to be a pastors'
00:25:44.81\00:25:47.08
wives. Sometimes they are led
00:25:47.11\00:25:51.28
in their human feelings
00:25:51.31\00:25:54.92
to enabling
00:25:54.95\00:25:58.22
because they see
well what can happen
00:25:58.25\00:26:02.99
to their husband's livelihood,
00:26:03.02\00:26:06.36
what can happen to themselves.
00:26:06.39\00:26:09.90
They will typically,
00:26:09.93\00:26:12.87
reality is they're going
to experience a lot of shame,
00:26:12.90\00:26:16.81
a lot of humiliation if
they do the right thing.
00:26:16.84\00:26:21.48
And that right
thing is making sure
00:26:21.51\00:26:25.01
that the reality is reported
00:26:25.05\00:26:29.72
to their husbands' superiors.
00:26:29.75\00:26:32.99
And in most cases,
00:26:33.02\00:26:34.62
there's an element of sexual sin
00:26:34.66\00:26:37.09
that's involved
that doesn't have to be.
00:26:37.13\00:26:39.43
There was a church
pastor when I was a teenager,
00:26:42.63\00:26:45.23
who ended up in
prison for running drugs
00:26:45.27\00:26:47.90
across the Texas Mexico border,
00:26:47.94\00:26:52.37
so it doesn't have
to be a sexual issue.
00:26:52.41\00:26:55.94
Yeah. Let me ask
you this question.
00:26:55.98\00:26:58.28
Should she go
through her husband first
00:26:58.31\00:27:01.02
and talk to her husband and say,
00:27:01.05\00:27:02.55
"You're going in
the wrong direction
00:27:02.58\00:27:05.15
and I do not
support what you're doing?"
00:27:05.19\00:27:07.79
Should she address him first?
00:27:07.82\00:27:10.33
What are your thoughts?
00:27:10.36\00:27:12.26
Often,
00:27:12.29\00:27:13.80
but I would put
an exception there.
00:27:13.83\00:27:18.13
She needs to look
carefully at the situation,
00:27:18.17\00:27:22.00
especially in these areas
00:27:22.04\00:27:24.87
when there is
infidelity going on.
00:27:24.91\00:27:30.25
There's often domestic abuse
00:27:30.28\00:27:33.75
in the pastor's marriage.
00:27:33.78\00:27:37.09
So if she is not confident
00:27:37.12\00:27:41.72
that she will be
physically safe in doing so,
00:27:41.76\00:27:45.49
she should take
the necessary steps
00:27:45.53\00:27:48.00
to protect her safety
00:27:48.03\00:27:51.77
and then get supporters with her
00:27:51.80\00:27:55.67
before he is confronted.
00:27:55.70\00:27:57.31
Got you.
00:27:57.34\00:27:58.67
So that would
always be an element. Yes.
00:27:58.71\00:28:01.48
What do you think is
one of the entering wedges
00:28:01.51\00:28:06.55
with this type of situation?
00:28:06.58\00:28:07.95
Do you think that, you know,
00:28:07.98\00:28:09.32
maybe they've
slipped into pornography,
00:28:09.35\00:28:11.65
or what do you think about?
00:28:11.69\00:28:13.86
Well, that's an
interesting question
00:28:13.89\00:28:16.22
because in my experience,
00:28:16.26\00:28:18.76
there is no greater connection
00:28:18.79\00:28:24.63
between the main mission
of The Hope of Survivors,
00:28:24.67\00:28:29.57
which is to support
victims of clergy sexual abuse,
00:28:29.60\00:28:34.54
and our Pastors' Wives Division,
00:28:34.58\00:28:36.75
which is to help
the pastor's wife
00:28:36.78\00:28:40.05
when her husband
has fallen into sin.
00:28:40.08\00:28:43.32
There's no greater
connection than porn.
00:28:43.35\00:28:46.15
Porn using pastors,
they are so frankly,
00:28:46.19\00:28:50.39
so many porn
using pastors out there.
00:28:50.43\00:28:55.43
And just like Martin
00:28:55.46\00:28:57.80
so eloquently stated,
00:28:57.83\00:29:01.57
they don't necessarily start out
00:29:01.60\00:29:05.01
even using porn.
00:29:05.04\00:29:07.48
They don't necessarily
start out as domestic abusers.
00:29:07.51\00:29:12.05
They don't necessarily
start out as predatory pastors.
00:29:12.08\00:29:17.15
But porn is so mentally
00:29:17.19\00:29:21.56
and emotionally
and spiritually searing
00:29:21.59\00:29:25.59
and destructive
00:29:25.63\00:29:28.33
that it turns a user,
00:29:28.36\00:29:31.70
whether male or female,
00:29:31.73\00:29:34.04
it turns them into
a different person.
00:29:34.07\00:29:39.44
It just turns them inside out.
00:29:39.47\00:29:43.45
So it's almost like
someone who's drinking alcohol,
00:29:43.48\00:29:47.02
and how their
brain chemistry changes.
00:29:47.05\00:29:50.35
Absolutely, Jason.
00:29:50.39\00:29:52.35
It can take a person
of formerly of integrity
00:29:52.39\00:29:56.29
and turn them
into a habitual liar.
00:29:56.32\00:29:59.23
Yeah.
00:29:59.26\00:30:00.60
And pseudo-repentance
is a big issue with porn.
00:30:00.63\00:30:04.87
It's so easy to
hide and cover up.
00:30:04.90\00:30:09.24
Yeah. That's a huge issue.
00:30:09.27\00:30:13.41
I want to come to you
and talk about operations.
00:30:13.44\00:30:17.65
What services do you provide?
00:30:17.68\00:30:20.15
Well, The Hope of
Survivors provides emotional
00:30:20.18\00:30:23.42
and spiritual
support by email and phone,
00:30:23.45\00:30:28.16
and it's completely free.
00:30:28.19\00:30:30.49
Oh, wow. That's beautiful.
00:30:30.53\00:30:31.99
It's nonprofit,
correct? It's nonprofit.
00:30:32.03\00:30:34.76
And we operate
here in United States
00:30:34.80\00:30:37.57
but also in Canada,
Australia and South Africa.
00:30:37.60\00:30:42.17
Wow.
00:30:42.20\00:30:43.54
So this is a huge operation
with a lot of moving parts.
00:30:43.57\00:30:46.31
Yes.
00:30:46.34\00:30:47.68
And I want to
mention that South Africa,
00:30:47.71\00:30:50.08
they set up to help
all kinds of victims
00:30:50.11\00:30:54.32
for different types of abuse.
00:30:54.35\00:30:56.42
Okay, so like domestic violence
and things of that nature?
00:30:56.45\00:30:59.99
Exactly. Wow!
00:31:00.02\00:31:02.92
So yes, so you
guys stay pretty busy.
00:31:02.96\00:31:05.39
Carlos, you're involved
in the technical aspect.
00:31:05.43\00:31:09.10
Yes, I do.
00:31:09.13\00:31:10.47
Actually, I met the ministry
00:31:10.50\00:31:12.93
while I was working
here in 3ABN as part
00:31:12.97\00:31:16.30
of the engineering team IT.
00:31:16.34\00:31:19.74
I'm part of the IT staff.
00:31:19.77\00:31:23.31
I met Steve and Samantha,
00:31:23.35\00:31:24.91
and I started
knowing about the ministry.
00:31:24.95\00:31:29.72
And my wife being a
counselor at that time,
00:31:29.75\00:31:34.92
she needed to do some hours
00:31:34.96\00:31:37.63
so that's how
Shyleene got involved.
00:31:37.66\00:31:41.03
And at first,
00:31:41.06\00:31:47.00
to me it was a
little questionable
00:31:47.04\00:31:51.37
the type of ministry.
00:31:51.41\00:31:55.08
I was born in the church.
00:31:55.11\00:31:58.38
I'm third generation Adventist.
00:31:58.41\00:32:02.22
And to me, it was very shocking.
00:32:02.25\00:32:05.05
I was in denial
00:32:05.09\00:32:08.12
that doesn't
happen in our church.
00:32:08.16\00:32:11.03
And after
00:32:11.06\00:32:14.53
time pass,
00:32:14.56\00:32:17.27
I started hearing situations
00:32:17.30\00:32:21.07
where it changed my mind.
00:32:21.10\00:32:23.14
I learned why is abuse
are not just an affair.
00:32:23.17\00:32:27.08
Why is an imbalance?
00:32:27.11\00:32:31.65
Why we can say...
00:32:31.68\00:32:34.42
it's not just a relationship
00:32:37.42\00:32:41.09
that I had with someone
00:32:41.12\00:32:43.22
because THE
Pastor has an authority.
00:32:43.26\00:32:48.36
And it changed my perspective
00:32:48.40\00:32:50.07
how I view The
Hope of Survivors,
00:32:50.10\00:32:53.80
and now I'm fully
committed to that.
00:32:53.84\00:32:58.04
And that's how
I'm using my skills,
00:32:58.07\00:33:02.44
my technical skills.
00:33:02.48\00:33:04.48
I use, just
helping on their website.
00:33:04.51\00:33:08.02
By the way, the website
has a very good information
00:33:08.05\00:33:12.25
and is our entry point
to contact the ministry.
00:33:12.29\00:33:17.29
So they can see phone numbers,
00:33:17.33\00:33:20.70
email, they can access
00:33:20.73\00:33:23.63
and then they can see
all of the information
00:33:23.67\00:33:26.87
that we provide to them.
00:33:26.90\00:33:29.27
And the website
has been updating
00:33:29.30\00:33:32.77
with fresh
information every time,
00:33:32.81\00:33:36.54
and that's part of my role.
00:33:36.58\00:33:38.31
I will be updating
also, implementing new stuff.
00:33:38.35\00:33:42.25
We have new project
00:33:42.28\00:33:44.65
that we want to do add.
00:33:44.69\00:33:48.89
We've started talking about
00:33:48.92\00:33:51.59
creating a new one right,
00:33:51.63\00:33:56.03
the virtual academy?
00:33:56.06\00:33:58.07
Oh, nice.
00:33:58.10\00:33:59.43
Yes, and that would
be one of the services
00:33:59.47\00:34:01.30
that we want to provide.
00:34:01.34\00:34:03.37
Nice.
00:34:03.41\00:34:04.74
And we like
00:34:04.77\00:34:09.34
to seek more funds
00:34:09.38\00:34:13.72
to get that done.
00:34:13.75\00:34:16.55
And I have a graph
that if we can show,
00:34:16.58\00:34:21.82
it shows our projects that
we have come up for this year.
00:34:21.86\00:34:27.40
If you can see that,
that pie chart is divided
00:34:27.43\00:34:31.93
in four categories.
00:34:31.97\00:34:36.47
We have conferences,
00:34:36.50\00:34:38.31
that's where we want
to spend our resources,
00:34:38.34\00:34:42.91
and also the
Virtual Learning Academy
00:34:42.94\00:34:45.28
that's something brand
new that we want to develop.
00:34:45.31\00:34:48.55
And also, we have the website
00:34:48.58\00:34:50.89
and all of that technology
area as another category,
00:34:50.92\00:34:55.46
and the social media.
00:34:55.49\00:34:57.16
Nowadays, social
media is very important.
00:34:57.19\00:34:59.46
Yes.
00:34:59.49\00:35:00.83
And on the graph, we saw
that we have some percentages.
00:35:00.86\00:35:04.97
That's how much we have funded,
00:35:05.00\00:35:09.17
how much money we have funded.
00:35:09.20\00:35:11.34
But it's not saying
00:35:11.37\00:35:15.44
what is the amount
00:35:15.48\00:35:18.48
or the allotment for that.
00:35:18.51\00:35:21.98
And it's very important
00:35:22.02\00:35:24.69
that we can get assistance.
00:35:24.72\00:35:29.66
Yes, absolutely to
get those things going
00:35:29.69\00:35:32.59
because this is a
very important work.
00:35:32.63\00:35:35.13
I want to
transition a little bit
00:35:35.16\00:35:37.20
back to the pastors
00:35:37.23\00:35:40.00
and what should they do
00:35:40.04\00:35:43.27
when they find themselves
sexually attracted to a member?
00:35:43.30\00:35:46.98
Pastors just need to have
00:35:47.01\00:35:51.01
to suffer awareness in honesty
00:35:51.05\00:35:54.22
to come to their senses
00:35:54.25\00:35:57.75
and first confess to God.
00:35:57.79\00:36:00.39
"Search me, O
God, and know my heart.
00:36:00.42\00:36:01.92
See if there be
any wicked way in me,
00:36:01.96\00:36:04.06
lead me to the
way of everlasting."
00:36:04.09\00:36:06.26
And then having an
accountability partner,
00:36:06.29\00:36:08.60
maybe in their Local
Ministerial Association,
00:36:08.63\00:36:11.83
whereby the two of them
can go together and say,
00:36:11.87\00:36:14.94
"Hey, hold me accountable.
00:36:14.97\00:36:17.14
Come ask me how I'm doing,"
00:36:17.17\00:36:19.04
and have that going on.
00:36:19.07\00:36:21.14
And it relieves a
wife a burden of having
00:36:21.18\00:36:25.51
to be suspicious if
she knows her husband
00:36:25.55\00:36:29.58
is in an accountability
association and get counseling,
00:36:29.62\00:36:33.25
licensed
professional counseling.
00:36:33.29\00:36:35.82
And also, not to think
00:36:35.86\00:36:40.13
that scolding themselves
is the way out of this.
00:36:40.16\00:36:44.23
Grace, sin shall not
have dominion over you
00:36:44.27\00:36:47.00
because you're not
under law but under grace.
00:36:47.04\00:36:49.60
And it's a sense of God's love.
00:36:49.64\00:36:52.44
And, "Oh, God, how could
I do that when You love me?
00:36:52.47\00:36:58.08
I need to love You.
00:36:58.11\00:36:59.45
And I need to love Your people.
00:36:59.48\00:37:00.82
Jesus, You said, feed the sheep.
00:37:00.85\00:37:02.18
You've called me
to be a shepherd,
00:37:02.22\00:37:03.89
not a wolf in sheep's clothing."
00:37:03.92\00:37:05.45
So just that fundamental
honesty and accountability.
00:37:05.49\00:37:08.66
Absolutely.
00:37:08.69\00:37:10.26
How does the
congregation unwittingly enable
00:37:10.29\00:37:14.06
pastoral predators?
00:37:14.10\00:37:15.43
Congregations
always tend to be bipolar,
00:37:15.46\00:37:17.40
either making a
hero out of their pastor.
00:37:17.43\00:37:22.37
They love the way he
brings the word week after week,
00:37:22.40\00:37:25.31
you know,
00:37:25.34\00:37:27.11
and so there's this
hero status going on.
00:37:27.14\00:37:32.98
On the other
hand, congregations can,
00:37:33.01\00:37:36.08
they can beat
up on their pastor,
00:37:36.12\00:37:37.45
go to the other extreme.
00:37:37.49\00:37:39.19
And he feel so isolated
00:37:39.22\00:37:41.52
that he might resort
to this or try to find
00:37:41.56\00:37:45.49
some solace in some relationship
00:37:45.53\00:37:48.00
within the
congregation, so, yeah.
00:37:48.03\00:37:51.33
Got you, and how can you help
00:37:51.37\00:37:53.77
a victim of CSA?
00:37:53.80\00:37:58.57
Good question. All right.
00:37:58.61\00:38:01.44
Actually, our ministry,
00:38:01.48\00:38:02.98
The Hope of
Survivors have a program called
00:38:03.01\00:38:06.45
Hope and Healing Conference.
00:38:06.48\00:38:08.18
Nice.
00:38:08.22\00:38:09.55
And the purpose
of this conference
00:38:09.58\00:38:11.32
is to provide support
and help to the victim
00:38:11.35\00:38:15.52
that have been abused
by a member of the clergy
00:38:15.56\00:38:20.30
at any denomination.
00:38:20.33\00:38:21.93
So we provide this
service around the world
00:38:21.96\00:38:26.20
and any domination, like I said.
00:38:26.23\00:38:28.20
And we cover topic like,
00:38:28.24\00:38:33.17
why is this abuse?
00:38:33.21\00:38:35.01
Like Carlos said
about the imbalance,
00:38:35.04\00:38:38.21
why is this an imbalance?
00:38:38.25\00:38:40.52
And what else do we
cover in this conference?
00:38:40.55\00:38:44.89
Well, several of the speakers,
00:38:44.92\00:38:48.22
typically at The Hope
and Healing Conferences
00:38:48.26\00:38:50.63
share their stories.
00:38:50.66\00:38:52.49
And that's part of
what makes the experience
00:38:52.53\00:38:56.63
so powerful
00:38:56.67\00:38:58.30
because the attendees
are hearing previous victims
00:38:58.33\00:39:03.61
share their stories.
00:39:03.64\00:39:04.97
And those stories
are unbelievably similar
00:39:05.01\00:39:09.18
and so that is such a
powerful experience for victims.
00:39:09.21\00:39:14.15
It really helps lift that
burden of shame and disgrace.
00:39:14.18\00:39:18.19
And I have a role as
the pastor to explain
00:39:18.22\00:39:21.22
the grooming process,
00:39:21.26\00:39:22.86
to look them in
the eyes and say,
00:39:22.89\00:39:24.23
"This was not your fault
00:39:24.26\00:39:25.93
if the pastor had been
doing his job properly, never...
00:39:25.96\00:39:29.30
you wouldn't be sitting there.
00:39:29.33\00:39:31.00
No matter what
your attractions may be
00:39:31.03\00:39:33.94
or I've been to him or whatever.
00:39:33.97\00:39:36.81
He needs to keep it kosher,
00:39:36.84\00:39:38.21
that relationship
kosher just like in business,
00:39:38.24\00:39:41.31
in educational
and medical fields,
00:39:41.34\00:39:43.51
same way in the
church all the more
00:39:43.55\00:39:45.75
so because we have a
Holy God that we serve."
00:39:45.78\00:39:50.15
Amen.
00:39:50.19\00:39:51.52
Another topic that we
address is how to start over
00:39:51.55\00:39:55.29
because a lot of a
victim don't know when,
00:39:55.32\00:39:58.66
where and how the church
00:39:58.69\00:40:03.70
can respond is very important.
00:40:03.73\00:40:06.43
And sometimes, most of the time
00:40:06.47\00:40:09.14
church victimized the
person that is really a victim.
00:40:09.17\00:40:14.38
And, yes, so...
00:40:14.41\00:40:18.35
So how can they support
00:40:18.38\00:40:22.48
the victims in that particular
instance, the congregation?
00:40:22.52\00:40:26.72
One thing that comes to my mind
00:40:26.76\00:40:28.92
that I've seen failed happen
00:40:28.96\00:40:32.93
most often is the church
00:40:32.96\00:40:38.77
needs to do a thorough
00:40:38.80\00:40:42.10
and transparent investigation
00:40:42.14\00:40:45.51
so that the
perpetrator's actions
00:40:45.54\00:40:51.15
can be
documented and dealt with.
00:40:51.18\00:40:53.78
And that helps validate
the victim's experience.
00:40:53.82\00:40:58.65
So often the investigations,
which take place,
00:40:58.69\00:41:03.43
are really more
00:41:03.46\00:41:04.79
how can we sweep
this under the rug.
00:41:04.83\00:41:08.53
Covered up.
00:41:08.56\00:41:11.30
What would you say
are some of the challenges
00:41:11.33\00:41:14.00
that you all
face in being a part
00:41:14.04\00:41:18.14
of this ministry?
00:41:18.17\00:41:21.04
I'd say resources.
00:41:21.08\00:41:24.11
Yes, we need
resources in every area,
00:41:24.15\00:41:28.42
financially, personnel,
00:41:28.45\00:41:32.69
like volunteers to help us.
00:41:32.72\00:41:35.49
And also, the
main one is a prayer.
00:41:35.52\00:41:40.40
So we want everyone
to pray for our ministry
00:41:40.43\00:41:45.47
and for pastors,
00:41:45.50\00:41:47.84
their ministerial area,
00:41:47.87\00:41:52.77
so they cannot fall
00:41:52.81\00:41:54.14
into this devastated situation.
00:41:54.18\00:41:58.21
For sure.
00:41:58.25\00:41:59.58
I believe that if
we educate ourselves
00:41:59.61\00:42:04.12
we can prevent it,
so a lot of education,
00:42:04.15\00:42:08.29
and as like Carlos
said, we need resources.
00:42:08.32\00:42:12.36
So educate our church,
00:42:12.39\00:42:14.26
our leader help to prevent
00:42:14.30\00:42:19.23
this type of abuse.
00:42:19.27\00:42:22.50
Shyleene, she
supervises as our CEO.
00:42:22.54\00:42:26.27
She supervises a team
of wonderful volunteers,
00:42:26.31\00:42:29.01
recently added a
licensed social worker,
00:42:29.04\00:42:31.41
and an attorney
who will, without cost,
00:42:31.45\00:42:36.22
counsel victims
because you can be sure
00:42:36.25\00:42:39.09
that the predators
have access to attorneys
00:42:39.12\00:42:42.12
and enabling church
organizations certainly do.
00:42:42.16\00:42:46.13
And so we come to the side
00:42:46.16\00:42:48.90
of these devastated victims
00:42:48.93\00:42:51.97
and their families and help them
00:42:52.00\00:42:57.14
get the help they need.
00:42:57.17\00:42:59.01
There is one,
00:42:59.04\00:43:00.38
something in the
National News situation.
00:43:00.41\00:43:04.61
We offered to help the victims
00:43:04.65\00:43:08.92
to be there for them
00:43:08.95\00:43:10.29
and just be what they needed
00:43:10.32\00:43:15.02
in this situation, and it
takes a lot have resources
00:43:15.06\00:43:19.53
for some of these.
00:43:19.56\00:43:20.96
And they are
devastated financially
00:43:21.00\00:43:23.13
as well as every other way
00:43:23.16\00:43:24.50
so we really appreciate
funding that comes in.
00:43:24.53\00:43:28.50
Absolutely.
00:43:28.54\00:43:29.87
And we do need volunteers
to the Pastors' Wives Division.
00:43:29.90\00:43:33.54
It's a tall order
for a pastor's wife,
00:43:33.58\00:43:39.08
a former pastor's wife to
00:43:39.11\00:43:41.48
urge someone
00:43:41.52\00:43:45.65
to be a shepherdess
00:43:45.69\00:43:48.02
and being exercise that courage
00:43:48.06\00:43:51.53
to do what they need
to do in this situation,
00:43:51.56\00:43:55.90
and of course
offer support in an area
00:43:55.93\00:43:58.67
that we have
experienced our own pain.
00:43:58.70\00:44:03.91
How have you seen the
faith of the victims impacted
00:44:03.94\00:44:09.31
as a real of what took place?
00:44:09.34\00:44:12.58
In this Hope and
Healing Conferences,
00:44:12.61\00:44:15.82
there's a point
where it's almost a switch
00:44:15.85\00:44:18.62
gets flipped in their hearts
00:44:18.65\00:44:20.69
from being
understood for the first time.
00:44:20.72\00:44:26.16
I'm not crazy. I'm not evil.
00:44:26.19\00:44:29.03
I intended well and
he indeed was to blame
00:44:29.06\00:44:32.43
without trying to send them
00:44:32.47\00:44:36.60
into hell just to be...
00:44:36.64\00:44:39.71
If he had been doing his job,
00:44:39.74\00:44:41.18
I would not be
sitting in this room.
00:44:41.21\00:44:43.21
And a wonderful thing is
we invite the husbands too,
00:44:43.24\00:44:47.75
who couldn't
understand why did their wife...
00:44:47.78\00:44:50.09
Why did my wife get
sucked into this thing?
00:44:50.12\00:44:53.52
And they need to
hear from a clergy,
00:44:53.56\00:44:58.39
it was not her fault.
00:44:58.43\00:45:01.86
So I'm sure that there
are a lot of testimonies.
00:45:01.90\00:45:04.23
What are some
testimonies that you can share
00:45:04.27\00:45:06.40
while protecting the
privacy of the individuals?
00:45:06.43\00:45:10.34
There's this scripture
Psalm 30 where God said that...
00:45:10.37\00:45:13.98
David said, "He turned
my mourning into dancing."
00:45:14.01\00:45:18.28
To see the sadness,
the sorrow, the oppression,
00:45:18.31\00:45:22.25
the isolation.
00:45:22.28\00:45:23.79
To see the hope,
the hope of survivors,
00:45:23.82\00:45:26.52
their hope spring
up in their lives.
00:45:26.55\00:45:29.29
To see the joy,
00:45:29.32\00:45:31.59
to see them post on
their Facebook pages,
00:45:31.63\00:45:35.26
just they're back in life.
00:45:35.30\00:45:37.17
They are happy in Jesus again.
00:45:37.20\00:45:42.60
Healing through Christ, yes.
00:45:42.64\00:45:45.04
Also, there we work
00:45:45.07\00:45:47.01
with non-Christian
denominations as well.
00:45:47.04\00:45:50.11
There was a Buddhist
lady I was speaking to,
00:45:50.15\00:45:54.38
who had been
molested by the clergy.
00:45:54.42\00:45:59.85
And I explained grace,
00:45:59.89\00:46:02.62
and she just burst out in tears,
00:46:02.66\00:46:05.53
just right there on the phone
and just burst out in tears.
00:46:05.56\00:46:08.73
And so just
their burden of relief,
00:46:08.76\00:46:14.14
the burden gone
and relief coming in
00:46:14.17\00:46:17.01
as their mourning turned
into dancing of the Spirit
00:46:17.04\00:46:20.08
as it were.
00:46:20.11\00:46:21.44
Yes.
00:46:21.48\00:46:22.81
Now, I remember
testimony that Carlos have
00:46:22.84\00:46:27.28
when we actually started
moving on corporation, Texas.
00:46:27.32\00:46:32.69
And Carlos was in
the post office...
00:46:32.72\00:46:36.93
Yeah, I was picking up
00:46:36.96\00:46:39.89
all of the boxes that arrived.
00:46:39.93\00:46:42.86
And it was big amount of boxes
00:46:42.90\00:46:46.63
so they made me move my vehicle
00:46:46.67\00:46:50.34
to the back while all
of the trucks come in.
00:46:50.37\00:46:52.41
Wow!
00:46:52.44\00:46:53.78
So the lady was
helping me and she said,
00:46:53.81\00:46:57.11
"What are you selling?"
00:46:57.15\00:46:58.51
And I said, "Well,
we are not selling.
00:46:58.55\00:47:01.28
We are not an online business.
00:47:01.32\00:47:05.19
This is our ministry,
00:47:05.22\00:47:07.06
our organization that is
relocating from California,
00:47:07.09\00:47:12.59
Wyoming to here, to Texas."
00:47:12.63\00:47:16.26
And she started getting
quiet, "And what is about?"
00:47:16.30\00:47:20.87
I said, "Well, we
deal with helping victims
00:47:20.90\00:47:24.84
being abused by the clergy."
00:47:24.87\00:47:28.48
And she got quiet.
00:47:28.51\00:47:29.84
She started handing me
more boxes and she said,
00:47:29.88\00:47:34.65
"Well, I want to say thank you
00:47:34.68\00:47:37.49
because you're doing a good job
00:47:37.52\00:47:41.36
or good deed, and
this is so needed.
00:47:41.39\00:47:44.66
I'm here in Texas
because I was abused."
00:47:44.69\00:47:48.70
And she moved
from a different state.
00:47:48.73\00:47:53.13
And so this is very...
00:47:53.17\00:47:57.97
I'll say it, the Holy Spirit
00:47:58.01\00:48:01.71
for divine intervention here.
00:48:01.74\00:48:04.91
One of the boxes was opened
00:48:04.95\00:48:07.55
and I just saw a
brochure and a book,
00:48:07.58\00:48:12.59
the book that Samantha
wrote so I gave it to her.
00:48:12.62\00:48:17.69
And she was very thankful.
00:48:17.73\00:48:22.06
And we didn't exchange
numbers or anything like that
00:48:22.10\00:48:26.67
but I just left
all of the information
00:48:26.70\00:48:29.00
on the book and on the pamphlet,
00:48:29.04\00:48:30.81
and the Lord will do His job.
00:48:30.84\00:48:33.31
But to me, it was interesting.
00:48:33.34\00:48:38.61
It was amazing
that I just met someone
00:48:38.65\00:48:43.08
where I was not expecting
00:48:43.12\00:48:45.39
that suffer from clergy abuse.
00:48:45.42\00:48:49.52
That was divine providence.
00:48:49.56\00:48:51.06
I want to leave
with my testimony.
00:48:51.09\00:48:55.10
And Luke 22:27 said,
00:48:55.13\00:48:58.77
"But I am among
you as one who serve."
00:48:58.80\00:49:02.80
For me, I want to
follow Jesus' example.
00:49:02.84\00:49:07.38
And I want to serve Him
00:49:07.41\00:49:09.48
every day with my
family, with my neighbors
00:49:09.51\00:49:13.01
and also through
The Hope of Survivors.
00:49:13.05\00:49:16.28
And I just want to
say that we don't know
00:49:16.32\00:49:21.66
where the victims
are but wherever you are,
00:49:21.69\00:49:26.29
The Hope of Survivors is
here to support emotionally
00:49:26.33\00:49:29.73
and spiritually.
00:49:29.76\00:49:31.10
Amen. It's my
testimony every time.
00:49:31.13\00:49:34.67
I just wake up, I
want to serve God,
00:49:34.70\00:49:37.84
and The Hope of Survivors
gave me this opportunity.
00:49:37.87\00:49:40.88
Yes, we are respectfully
here for our clients.
00:49:40.91\00:49:45.61
Yes, yes.
00:49:45.65\00:49:48.55
I want to just,
kind of, recap the needs
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because in a little while,
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we're going to go
to the address role
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and show how people can help
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some of these wonderful projects
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that you have going on.
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But let's just recap
the needs a little bit.
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Carlos said a prayer
partner for the organization,
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the directors, the volunteers,
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and the victims also.
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Yes.
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We need a lot of victim support,
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like Jackie said,
and the wife ministry,
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and the Wives' Division
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and also with the Home Ministry,
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like the director of marketing
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to find some fundraising.
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What else, translation? Yes.
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Help with translation
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because our website
have different language.
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So if they click we
have in Portuguese...
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Yeah, several languages.
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There are long list of
languages on there, yes.
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So we like to...
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If you have experience
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or you have a
skill on technology,
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just approach to us.
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And also the funds,
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with the funds we can
achieve a lot of things,
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projects that we have.
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We continue having conferences
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that we like to
continue attending,
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and we do transparency
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and
accountability on the managing
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of our donations.
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And that's so crucial.
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You know that being transparent,
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being open with the funds
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and showing that
you're being good stewards
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that is very important.
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Well, we're going
to take a quick break.
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We want you to know
how you can get in touch,
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how you can support
this wonderful ministry,
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and we'll be right back.
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If you would like to
contact or know more about
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The Hope of Survivors,
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you can do so in
the following ways.
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You can write to them at 4245,
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Redbird Lane East,
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Burleson, Texas 76028-7951.
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You can call
them at 866-260-8958.
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That's 866-260-8958.
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You can visit their website
at thehopeofsurvivors.org
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That's thehopeofsurvivors.org
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or send them an email
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at help@thehopeofsurvivors.org
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That's help@
thehopeofsurvivors.org
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