As you're well aware,
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we're living in
unprecedented times.
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Join us now for
Today special program.
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome
once again to 3ABN Today.
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We are so glad
that you're joining us
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that you're taking this time.
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And I think today's
going to be a unique program.
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We have a very special guest,
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I'll go ahead and
introduce him just by name
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and then we'll
come to that moment.
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But Pastor John Bradshaw,
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who is the President of It
Is Written is with us today.
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We're gonna do
something different.
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We like to kind of
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shake things up
every now and then.
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We're just going to
have a personal chat today,
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get to know him a little better.
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He is so well
known around the world
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for his work for the Lord.
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I just thought
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there's so many
people new to 3ABN,
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who may not know his
fascinating personal story.
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And we're gonna come
to that in just a moment.
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I wanted to share with you
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before we do one of
my favorite scriptures,
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and it's found in
2 Corinthians 5:21.
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I'll read it from
the New King James.
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The Bible says, "For He made Him
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who knew no sin,
to be sin for us,
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that we might become
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the righteousness of
God in Christ Jesus."
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And this is something that
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I think we're
gonna touch on today
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because as John and I,
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we haven't seen each
other for a couple of years,
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as we sat, we're just talking.
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We were both expressing
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how righteousness by faith
is something we were seeking.
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So help me
welcome our special guest,
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Pastor John Bradshaw.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's great to see
you. This is gonna be fun.
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I appreciate the
chance to catch up,
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and we can talk about the Bible
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and talk about righteousness
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by faith and talk
about a special book
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in addition to the Bible.
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I think we're
gonna have a good time.
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I believe this is
going to be a wonderful time.
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Now you like music? I do.
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And I know that
you're at home like music,
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so we have a
special song for you
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by Scott Michael Bennett.
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And he's going to sing
How Deep is the Father's Love.
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How deep the
Father's love for us
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How vast beyond all measure
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That He should give His only Son
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To make a wretch His treasure
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How great the
pain of searing loss
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The Father turns His face away
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As wounds which
mar the Chosen One
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Bring many sons to glory
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Behold the Lamb upon that cross
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My sin upon His shoulders
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Ashamed, I hear my mocking voice
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Call out among the scoffers
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It was my sin
that held Him there
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Until it was accomplished
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His dying breath
has brought me life
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I know that it is finished
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I will not boast in anything
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No gifts, no power, no wisdom
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But I will boast in Jesus Christ
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His death and resurrection
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Why should I
gain from His reward
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I cannot give an answer
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But this I know
with all my heart
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His wounds have paid my ransom
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Why should I
gain from His reward
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I cannot give an answer
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But this I know
with all my heart
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His wounds have paid my ransom
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But this I know
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With all my heart
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His wounds have paid my ransom
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Thank you, Scott.
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He always ministers to my soul
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when he is singing
and I understand that
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Scott is a
personal friend of yours.
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Yeah, close friend.
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He's a wonderful guy, you know,
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with Scott, what you see
is Scott, it's always him.
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And when he
ministers it's not a facade.
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It's not a show. This is it.
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He got into music ministry
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because he was called by
God to minister through music
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and he loves to reach
the heart and lift up Jesus.
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He's a fabulous
guy and lovely family.
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Good man. Amen.
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And I can echo those
words about you, John Bradshaw.
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You know, so
many people will say,
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oh, he's my favorite speaker.
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But we know that God called you
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to your position as
President of It Is Written.
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But more than that, you
were a seeker of the truth.
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I'm a seeker of truth.
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Let's before we
get into your history,
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your personal history.
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Tell us a little bit
about how the family is doing
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and what how It
Is Written is doing?
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Oh, great and great.
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You know, my wife right now
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was training
for a half marathon.
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Bless her.
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I told her you run
a marathon one day.
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Oh, no, no, I never.
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It was just about a week ago,
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she said, you know,
I'm starting to wonder
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if I should run a marathon.
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So she's doing great.
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I think today, she
went on her 10 mile run
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in preparation for the 13.1.
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And I'm only running
a couple of miles a day.
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So I'm feeling,
I'm feeling lazy.
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Kids are great both at
college both doing well.
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Yeah, they're
wonderful human beings.
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I like being around them just
because they're great people.
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God has blessed Melissa
and I with two fantastic kids.
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Well, then two fantastic kids
who are in love with the Lord.
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And that's the best
thing about it, you know?
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Yes.
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Is that you know that
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they're
connecting with God daily.
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They're taking their
personal devotional time daily.
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Worry may be the wrong word,
but it may be the right word,
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all parents tend to
worry about their kids.
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I've never met a young adult
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who walked away from the church
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or walked away
from faith in Jesus,
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who was having a
daily personal devotional
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experience.
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So with our children, you know,
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we don't take
anything for granted
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and we don't take any credit.
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But it's exciting to me to
see my children first thing
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they do is they
spend time with God.
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They're reading the Bible.
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Faith is real to them.
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They're in church,
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they love to go
to church and yeah,
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it's great, I just...
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My prayer is they
continue to be an influence
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and leaders in the
church on some level, you know,
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not just they're making
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up the numbers or warming a pew.
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Well, and I think we
give all the glory to God,
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but I think that that
you and your wife can be,
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some credit can
be reflected on you
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because you taught your children
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to have a
relationship with the Lord.
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They taught him
about the love of the Lord.
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And I always say,
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and I hold to these rules
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without relationship
result in rebellion.
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If you're
bringing your children up,
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just to do this, don't do this
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and they don't understand
why God has regulations,
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why He has set out
boundaries to protect them
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and giving them an
abundant life here,
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and life ever after.
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Then your kids are
probably gonna rebel,
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but obviously yours know.
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If they're smart, they'll rebel.
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If you've raised kids
just on rules, rules, rules,
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if they've got any
brains, they'll rebel,
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because they will figure it out.
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If they're honest
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they'll figure out that
there's no future in that.
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Who is this God?
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You mean, He
wants blind obeisance,
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some blind obedience and this,
there's nothing in it for me.
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The one thing about
a relationship with God
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is that God says everywhere,
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there's something in it for you.
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Amen.
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Yeah, I don't mean
just in a selfish way.
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No.
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God says, I want this
for you because Israel,
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you'll be the head not the tail,
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I'm going to lead
you to a land that flows
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with milk and honey,
it's kind of the same today.
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And I don't mean, the
prosperity sort of thing.
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I mean, God
says, you won't perish,
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you'll have everlasting life.
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God says, I want you to be rich,
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His gold tried in the fire.
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You understand what I mean? Yes.
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All of the things that God
adds to our lives are additions
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and not subtraction.
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So if you teach
young people along the way,
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even when they say, why can't I?
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Why do they and not we?
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What about this?
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Take those questions
head on, and simply explain,
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this is God's plan.
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God loves you,
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it's gonna work
out best God's way.
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Kids aren't thick, you
know, they'll understand that
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if you reach their hearts,
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many kids are
going to get, you know,
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speed bumps along the way.
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It's okay, it's growing pains.
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You know, okay,
hear me with grace here.
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These are the sorts
of things that happen.
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But if you will endeavor
to connect a child's mind
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with the mind of God,
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the heart with the heart of God,
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let them see Jesus, you know,
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even after a hard day,
they'll have the opportunity
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to sit back and go,
yeah, God's way is good.
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And God loves me.
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And God wants the best for me.
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I had a man come to
an evangelistic series
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in California years ago.
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And he'd been gone
from the church for decades.
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So he'd been raised in
the church but he would,
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he would tell me
that, oh, as a kid,
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I'd play with my little toy cars
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in the dirt on Sabbath,
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and my dad would belt me for it.
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You know, we may agree,
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maybe that's not the
very perfect this thing,
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someone may say, I'm
not getting into that.
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But the question is,
how do you deal with that?
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And how do you let your kids
see God in the midst of that.
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That young boy playing
with, that wasn't the point,
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what the boy needed
was to see Jesus some,
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no matter what he's doing,
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to see Jesus and to
know that his dad loved God.
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So I would
encourage parents everywhere,
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just love your kids
and point them to Jesus,
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pray for them, pray with
them, read the Bible with them.
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Don't criticize the
church, don't criticize God,
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be positive, it's
pretty hard for a kid
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to go off the
rails not impossible.
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Not impossible.
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But it's a lot harder for
a child to go off the rails
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if you provide that kind
of supportive environment.
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And you're clearing the
track for them as if it were.
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So how did you grow up,
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you grew up in a Christian
home but did you know the truth?
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I was raised
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in a Roman
Catholic family by a man
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who was a thoroughly good man.
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And I mean that
in the worldly sense,
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you know, a mother
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who was not of any
religious profession.
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She tolerated my
dad's Catholicism,
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and I think he tried to
impress Catholicism on her
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and she wasn't
buying and that was that.
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So they live very
separate religious lives.
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My dad very involved
with this church, my mother,
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actually quite involved
with the church on some levels,
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but no religious practice.
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And so we were raised to
go to the Catholic Church,
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when I say
separate religious lives,
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otherwise, they were as happy
as everybody else, you know?
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And as my earliest
memories of being in that church
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with the
crucifix above the altar,
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and the Stations of the Cross,
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and the wooden pews
without any cushions on them,
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and the wooden
kneelers and the nuns
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and the old priests
who we were fortunate,
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we didn't have
any, anything scandalous
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or anything to
be critical about.
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We had good
priests as far as they go.
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So I was raised up
in that mill, you know,
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it was Catholicism.
00:14:23.36\00:14:24.89
It was heaven or
hell, or purgatory or limbo
00:14:24.93\00:14:27.66
for I think that
moved away from that now,
00:14:27.70\00:14:30.53
confession, the sacraments,
your first holy confession,
00:14:30.57\00:14:33.44
the first
communion, confirmation,
00:14:33.47\00:14:35.57
all of that altar
boy for many years,
00:14:35.60\00:14:37.94
happy to be in my
church, proud of my church.
00:14:37.97\00:14:41.11
Then I started to ask
some questions, you know,
00:14:41.14\00:14:42.78
because not everything added up,
00:14:42.81\00:14:45.81
didn't all stack up.
00:14:45.85\00:14:47.38
I'd ask some questions.
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I'd be serving as an
altar boy at a funeral.
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And in the church,
00:14:52.72\00:14:54.29
we are just
celebratory even in our tears
00:14:54.32\00:14:56.69
because Mr. Smith is in
heaven in the presence of God
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and he's praising God
today we can be comforted.
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Thirty five or 40 minutes later,
00:15:03.90\00:15:05.57
we're at the cemetery lowering
00:15:05.60\00:15:07.34
Mr. Smith into the
heart of the earth.
00:15:07.37\00:15:10.37
And the same priest now says,
00:15:10.41\00:15:13.11
we commit our dear
brother to the grave
00:15:13.14\00:15:16.11
where he will
wait to meet the Lord
00:15:16.14\00:15:20.52
when Jesus comes back.
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Whoa, hold on, how can
he be in two places at once?
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And you can perform
00:15:25.99\00:15:27.32
all kinds of
theological gymnastics
00:15:27.36\00:15:29.12
to try to make those
00:15:29.16\00:15:30.49
two perpendicular
lines meet head to head.
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They don't.
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And questions like that.
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And I looked at
those questions and said,
00:15:40.97\00:15:42.47
there's got to be
an answer somewhere.
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So how did God, I mean,
00:15:45.11\00:15:48.51
what kind of a kid
were you as a teenager?
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When did you really
start seeking the truth?
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Seeking answers
to those questions?
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We all had questions.
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I can remember
when I was 12 years old,
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that my best friend
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who was a strong
churchgoer, and she said,
00:16:02.42\00:16:05.56
"Have you ever thought,
what if God's not real?"
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And I said, "No."
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It was like, oh,
blasphemy, you know?
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Oh, yeah.
00:16:12.53\00:16:13.87
But there were a
series of questions
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that I had as well.
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But how old were you
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when God was starting
to get your attention?
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Tell you a fascinating
story, about 9 or 10 years old,
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I'd gone to confession
and confession, you know,
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you're absolved.
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The priest would say, back then,
00:16:32.89\00:16:35.36
we were in English,
but our priests would still
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have some Latin
phrases Ego tabs over,
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I absolve you,
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you're absolved of
your sins during confession.
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And now, the weight of the world
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is rolled off me,
I'm cleaned before God.
00:16:47.30\00:16:49.14
But I knew that by
the time I got home,
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I would have
sinned again, I knew it.
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If you had a brother,
like my next oldest brother,
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you'd have sinned
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before you got
home too, you know.
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So I remember walking,
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our church was
right on the main highway,
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the main highway
through the country.
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And this is in New Zealand?
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Now they bypassed our town.
00:17:10.26\00:17:12.29
But back then every
vehicle traveling north to south
00:17:12.33\00:17:15.06
went right past our front door,
00:17:15.10\00:17:16.67
and right past the
front door of the church,
00:17:16.70\00:17:18.40
and I thought to
myself, I'll never be clean.
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I'll never be good
enough to go to heaven.
00:17:21.70\00:17:23.61
Never.
00:17:23.64\00:17:24.97
And I looked at
these big trucks,
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the semis going past.
00:17:26.47\00:17:27.81
And as I stood
between the sidewalk
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and the road on the grass strip,
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I thought to myself,
maybe one of those big trucks
00:17:34.72\00:17:37.62
could run off the road
and run me over and kill me.
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Wow.
00:17:40.32\00:17:41.66
And then I'm
good, then I'll be...
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Then I'll go to heaven. Wow.
00:17:44.93\00:17:46.93
I thought,
well, as I stood there
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for a minute or so,
00:17:48.33\00:17:49.66
I realized these vehicles
don't just run off the road.
00:17:49.70\00:17:53.23
So I'm hoping against hope here,
00:17:53.27\00:17:54.94
I thought, what if
I were to throw myself
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under one of these
vehicles as it came by?
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Just dive right under there
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probably wouldn't feel much.
00:18:02.11\00:18:03.75
And I'd be dead.
00:18:03.78\00:18:05.18
Clean, no sin, and
I could go to heaven.
00:18:05.21\00:18:08.78
And I thought I couldn't do that
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because that
would be a sin, I think.
00:18:11.09\00:18:12.99
And my mother and
father might be sad, so.
00:18:13.02\00:18:17.33
So I don't want to say I
was contemplating suicide.
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No.
00:18:21.03\00:18:22.36
But I was walking
through the steps,
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I was weighing up the pros
and cons of killing myself.
00:18:24.80\00:18:29.27
To figure out how
to become righteous?
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Yeah.
00:18:30.67\00:18:32.01
So I could be good
enough to go to him
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because I just been forgiven.
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Yeah. Soul was clean.
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So if I die now, it's all good.
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So it was about then, Shelley,
I was asking these questions,
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because I was very
sensitive to the voice of God,
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even though you know,
what kind of kid were you?
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Well, better be careful.
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Even though I don't think
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I was chosen from
among the good angels.
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I was very sensitive to
God and I wanted to be saved
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and I wanted to live for God
00:18:57.80\00:18:59.23
and I wanted to go to heaven.
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Tell you a funny
thing that helped me.
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I know in our churches,
we don't have crucifixes
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and I feel someone
is going to mishear me.
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So please don't mishear me.
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Something that spoke to me,
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in a crucifix above
the altar in our church,
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kind of an almost life sized
00:19:16.35\00:19:18.09
portrayal of Jesus on the cross,
00:19:18.12\00:19:20.46
a couple of dots
of blood on each hand,
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a few drops of blood down.
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And so it was a
pretty sanitized crucifixion,
00:19:24.53\00:19:26.80
you know?
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But I would see that
every time I was in church,
00:19:28.66\00:19:31.03
and I would know, God loves you.
00:19:31.07\00:19:34.00
Jesus died for you.
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God loves you.
00:19:35.90\00:19:37.34
Jesus died for you.
00:19:37.37\00:19:38.71
Whenever I saw
that Jesus on the cross,
00:19:38.74\00:19:41.51
it reminded me that
the Savior died for me.
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You know, I wasn't picking
up too much good theology
00:19:45.55\00:19:48.52
there in the
Roman Catholic Church.
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But there was some
pretty good theology
00:19:50.29\00:19:51.62
taught to me by an
inanimate crucifix.
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Again, I'm not
endorsing crucifixes.
00:19:55.36\00:19:57.99
But as a kid I
knew God loved me.
00:19:58.03\00:20:00.23
I knew that, I
just couldn't figure out
00:20:00.26\00:20:01.86
how I could be good
enough to go to heaven.
00:20:01.90\00:20:03.70
You know, that resonates with me
00:20:03.73\00:20:06.50
because a little
slightly different.
00:20:06.53\00:20:09.64
I was taught I had to be perfect
00:20:09.67\00:20:12.01
to be loved by the Father.
00:20:12.04\00:20:13.48
I knew Jesus loved me.
00:20:13.51\00:20:15.58
But I was taught even
Jesus was going to spew me
00:20:15.61\00:20:20.28
out of His mouth if I
was less than perfect,
00:20:20.32\00:20:22.75
if I was ever
lukewarm, and I will,
00:20:22.78\00:20:25.42
I had performer
mentality deluxe,
00:20:25.45\00:20:29.42
I was always
00:20:29.46\00:20:30.89
the little angel
teacher's pet straight
00:20:30.93\00:20:34.73
A students Sunday
school teacher growing up,
00:20:34.76\00:20:37.47
I did everything right.
00:20:37.50\00:20:39.27
Never disobeyed my mother.
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I was one of those.
00:20:41.94\00:20:43.54
But when I got off to college,
00:20:43.57\00:20:45.17
everybody was calling me
00:20:45.21\00:20:46.54
miss goody two shoes,
they called me Pollyanna.
00:20:46.57\00:20:49.04
And I finally had
00:20:49.08\00:20:51.85
this reckoning with God,
00:20:51.88\00:20:57.12
because I had tried so
hard to be perfect all my life.
00:20:57.15\00:21:01.22
And I knew I wasn't.
00:21:01.26\00:21:03.06
And everybody kept telling me,
00:21:03.09\00:21:04.43
they love me
because I was perfect.
00:21:04.46\00:21:05.99
And that makes you
feel absolutely insecure.
00:21:06.03\00:21:09.76
So what happened?
00:21:09.80\00:21:11.33
I finally looked at the Lord.
00:21:11.37\00:21:13.34
And the thing that
wasn't making any sense to me
00:21:13.37\00:21:16.24
is if you are love,
00:21:16.27\00:21:17.94
how could You burn
someone with unceasing torture?
00:21:17.97\00:21:21.98
Yeah.
00:21:22.01\00:21:23.35
And I just finally
said, hey, I can't please you.
00:21:23.38\00:21:25.95
I may as well quit trying,
00:21:25.98\00:21:28.08
and I walked away from the Lord.
00:21:28.12\00:21:29.65
And what you did
00:21:29.68\00:21:31.02
was the intellectually
honest thing to do.
00:21:31.05\00:21:32.85
Yeah.
00:21:32.89\00:21:34.62
Frankly, more
people ought to do that.
00:21:34.66\00:21:37.23
And here's what I mean.
00:21:37.26\00:21:39.16
Could get me in
trouble, couldn't it?
00:21:39.19\00:21:40.70
Here's what I mean.
00:21:40.73\00:21:42.06
When you realize
you're not good enough,
00:21:42.10\00:21:46.07
and you can't be
good enough for God,
00:21:46.10\00:21:49.30
for salvation
to earn God's love.
00:21:49.34\00:21:51.97
And then you realize
there's no other way,
00:21:52.01\00:21:54.38
if you don't know the truth,
00:21:54.41\00:21:57.18
the honest thing
to do is to leave,
00:21:57.21\00:22:00.45
is to walk away from God.
00:22:00.48\00:22:01.82
That's the intellectually
honest thing to do.
00:22:01.85\00:22:04.15
You look at your
Christian experience,
00:22:04.19\00:22:05.79
and you say, this doesn't work.
00:22:05.82\00:22:07.86
You're not telling a lie.
00:22:07.89\00:22:09.52
That's the truth that
if you haven't been taught
00:22:09.56\00:22:14.00
the Bible truth about grace,
00:22:14.03\00:22:16.40
and righteousness by faith,
00:22:16.43\00:22:19.50
that's what
makes the difference.
00:22:19.53\00:22:22.27
And then this hope,
00:22:22.30\00:22:23.84
then the burden of
your heart rolls away,
00:22:23.87\00:22:26.17
then like
Christian pilgrim's progress,
00:22:26.21\00:22:28.44
you can take that big weight off
00:22:28.48\00:22:29.91
and lay it down at Jesus' feet.
00:22:29.94\00:22:32.65
Imagine trying to be good enough
00:22:32.68\00:22:35.12
to go to heaven.
00:22:35.15\00:22:36.48
No one can. No one can.
00:22:36.52\00:22:39.15
I tried for 50 years.
00:22:39.19\00:22:41.56
You see, a man came to
Jesus one day and said,
00:22:41.59\00:22:44.29
Good Master.
00:22:44.33\00:22:45.66
Jesus said, hold up.
00:22:45.69\00:22:47.03
Why are you calling me good?
00:22:47.06\00:22:48.40
There's only one that's
good and that's the Father.
00:22:48.43\00:22:51.03
So if you're trying to be
good, you're trying to be God.
00:22:51.07\00:22:55.34
No, you don't
wanna mishear this.
00:22:55.37\00:22:56.71
Oh, I understood this.
00:22:56.74\00:22:58.07
Don't wanna
mishear this and say,
00:22:58.11\00:22:59.44
well, let's throw our hands
up in the air and walk away.
00:22:59.47\00:23:01.28
The key here is to figure out
00:23:01.31\00:23:03.71
how to connect with
the righteousness of God
00:23:03.75\00:23:06.85
and to receive that as your own.
00:23:06.88\00:23:08.22
How do you do that?
00:23:08.25\00:23:09.58
Because until
you understand that,
00:23:09.62\00:23:11.25
you're rather dismissive,
00:23:11.29\00:23:12.82
and you're playing church,
00:23:12.85\00:23:15.19
in which case, you're miserable.
00:23:15.22\00:23:17.13
Or you're miserable,
00:23:17.16\00:23:18.49
because you're never going to be
00:23:18.53\00:23:19.86
good enough.
00:23:19.89\00:23:21.23
Thank God, we don't
have to be good enough.
00:23:21.26\00:23:23.47
We can claim Christ as our own.
00:23:23.50\00:23:26.27
He is good enough.
00:23:26.30\00:23:28.00
And then He works in our lives
to grow us, to sanctify us,
00:23:28.04\00:23:32.01
to prepare us more and more
00:23:32.04\00:23:33.68
and yet more for
everlasting life.
00:23:33.71\00:23:35.38
Amen.
00:23:35.41\00:23:36.75
So I know, I'm going to
reserve I wanna hear your story.
00:23:36.78\00:23:40.95
But I know how
God got my attention.
00:23:40.98\00:23:42.95
How did he get yours?
00:23:42.98\00:23:45.52
I tried everything I
could to be good enough,
00:23:45.55\00:23:48.16
at the same
time as going through
00:23:48.19\00:23:50.23
some growing
pains, career, in my life,
00:23:50.26\00:23:55.76
I was drifting
further away from God,
00:23:55.80\00:23:57.80
knew I shouldn't,
00:23:57.83\00:23:59.17
I knew that
meant not good things.
00:23:59.20\00:24:01.40
There was no way in the world
00:24:01.44\00:24:02.77
I could find a
meaningful experience.
00:24:02.80\00:24:04.31
In my own church experience,
I wasn't finding meaning.
00:24:04.34\00:24:09.14
Now, as a
teenager, a group of us
00:24:09.18\00:24:11.15
from our Catholic Church,
00:24:11.18\00:24:12.51
we would visit
the Anglican Church
00:24:12.55\00:24:14.98
and the Pentecostal
Church and these other churches,
00:24:15.02\00:24:17.55
typically on Sunday evenings,
00:24:17.59\00:24:19.25
and we'd go to their
prayer and praise times,
00:24:19.29\00:24:21.52
and we'd go to their services.
00:24:21.56\00:24:23.12
Well, that was meaningful,
00:24:23.16\00:24:25.13
but I was looking for
truth because I had a church
00:24:25.16\00:24:29.16
where I figured
the truth wasn't.
00:24:29.20\00:24:31.07
The dead people can't
be in two places at once.
00:24:31.10\00:24:33.74
God cannot burn people
forever and ever and ever.
00:24:33.77\00:24:37.14
Let's just be honest.
00:24:37.17\00:24:39.34
You shouldn't
pray to dead saints.
00:24:39.37\00:24:43.11
Let's just have a
reality check here.
00:24:43.14\00:24:46.38
Talk to God, even a
child understands that.
00:24:46.41\00:24:49.75
So I wanted to find
answers that made sense.
00:24:49.78\00:24:53.76
I wanted to find an experience
00:24:53.79\00:24:56.12
that was meaningful and answers
00:24:56.16\00:24:58.86
that made sense.
00:24:58.89\00:25:00.23
So I found some experiences
that were kind of meaningful,
00:25:00.26\00:25:02.96
but never found the
answers that made sense.
00:25:03.00\00:25:04.93
And what ultimately happened
00:25:04.97\00:25:07.04
was I have a brother
00:25:07.07\00:25:08.40
who sent me a copy of
The Great Controversy.
00:25:08.44\00:25:12.31
He gave it to me once,
00:25:12.34\00:25:13.68
he gave it to me again,
00:25:13.71\00:25:15.04
by now I was
living in London, England.
00:25:15.08\00:25:17.65
And I wrote to him, and I said,
00:25:17.68\00:25:20.88
that book you gave me,
00:25:20.92\00:25:22.25
I'm really searching
00:25:22.28\00:25:23.62
where do you
think I could buy it?
00:25:23.65\00:25:25.89
And he sent me a third copy that
00:25:25.92\00:25:28.42
coincided with me walking out
00:25:28.46\00:25:30.26
of the Catholic
Church in Ireland,
00:25:30.29\00:25:31.99
and saying to God out loud
00:25:32.03\00:25:33.80
as I looked up
into the overcast,
00:25:33.83\00:25:36.16
Irish sky, I'm never
going back to church again,
00:25:36.20\00:25:39.17
until you show me the truth.
00:25:39.20\00:25:40.54
Oh, yes.
00:25:40.57\00:25:42.07
And God likes us
kind of challenges.
00:25:42.10\00:25:44.47
You pray a prayer like
that, you better buckle up.
00:25:44.51\00:25:46.17
Amen.
00:25:46.21\00:25:47.54
'Cause God will
show you the truth.
00:25:47.58\00:25:48.91
Amen. Yeah, so
that's what happened.
00:25:48.94\00:25:50.65
I read that book and
that was, it is over.
00:25:50.68\00:25:53.01
All right.
00:25:53.05\00:25:54.38
So how old were you
when you became a...
00:25:54.42\00:25:57.85
I mean, obviously,
you got into the Bible,
00:25:57.89\00:26:00.36
you weren't encouraged
00:26:00.39\00:26:01.89
to read the
Bible much where you?
00:26:01.92\00:26:03.53
See, I grew up in a
New Testament Church.
00:26:03.56\00:26:06.80
Oh, boy, I bet I'd read
the New Testament 200 times.
00:26:06.83\00:26:10.07
But without the understanding
of the Old Testament
00:26:10.10\00:26:12.70
which we just
simply didn't read,
00:26:12.73\00:26:15.14
there was so much
that went over my head.
00:26:15.17\00:26:19.01
But when God finally
really got my attention,
00:26:19.04\00:26:24.18
and I knew He was calling
me to full time ministry,
00:26:24.21\00:26:26.58
he said, come sit at My feet,
00:26:26.61\00:26:27.95
forget what you think,
you know, I will teach you.
00:26:27.98\00:26:30.45
And you know,
where He started me?
00:26:30.49\00:26:32.42
On a study of the sanctuary.
00:26:32.45\00:26:35.99
It was incredible,
because He taught me,
00:26:36.02\00:26:41.30
I had just gotten
Bible software as well.
00:26:41.33\00:26:44.10
So I could look up
the Greek and Hebrew.
00:26:44.13\00:26:46.70
And I learned that
the Ten Commandments
00:26:46.74\00:26:48.67
hadn't been nailed to the cross.
00:26:48.70\00:26:51.07
And, boy, I'll tell you
that was a complete about face.
00:26:51.11\00:26:55.11
But I was seeking
what you were seeking was,
00:26:55.14\00:27:01.05
I wanted to be righteous.
00:27:01.08\00:27:03.59
And I thought I
never could be holy
00:27:03.62\00:27:05.85
as your heavenly Father is holy.
00:27:05.89\00:27:07.69
But let me give you this
00:27:07.72\00:27:09.06
because God really
use this scripture.
00:27:09.09\00:27:12.26
It's Hebrews 11:7, It
says, "By faith Noah,"
00:27:12.29\00:27:17.20
from the Old Testament, Noah,
00:27:17.23\00:27:19.47
"being divinely warned
of things not yet seen,
00:27:19.50\00:27:22.44
moved with godly fear,
00:27:22.47\00:27:23.87
he prepared the ark
00:27:23.91\00:27:25.24
for the saving of his household,
00:27:25.27\00:27:27.01
by which he condemned the world
00:27:27.04\00:27:29.04
and became heir
of the righteousness
00:27:29.08\00:27:34.48
which is according to faith."
00:27:34.52\00:27:35.92
Whoa!
00:27:35.95\00:27:37.29
That was an eye-opener,
00:27:37.32\00:27:38.65
because suddenly
I started looking
00:27:38.69\00:27:40.92
through the Old Testament
00:27:40.96\00:27:43.53
for this whole idea of
righteousness by faith.
00:27:43.56\00:27:45.29
That's right.
00:27:45.33\00:27:46.66
Found out it began, you know,
00:27:46.70\00:27:48.13
with Noah and then
Abraham in this covenant
00:27:48.16\00:27:51.07
that just keeps unfolding.
00:27:51.10\00:27:52.77
It was life changing, but
it was coming to the Word.
00:27:52.80\00:27:56.00
That's right.
00:27:56.04\00:27:57.37
So you became a minister,
00:27:57.41\00:27:58.74
give us a little fast track
00:27:58.77\00:28:00.38
of how you came
into the ministry?
00:28:00.41\00:28:02.18
Yeah, funny thing,
my background was radio.
00:28:02.21\00:28:04.81
So I was used to
talking for a living.
00:28:04.85\00:28:08.32
As a kid, you
know, you have this,
00:28:08.35\00:28:10.99
this idea that
maybe you'd be a priest.
00:28:11.02\00:28:13.89
I entertain that idea for about,
00:28:13.92\00:28:18.03
I was about 10,
5, 5 or 10 seconds,
00:28:18.06\00:28:23.16
I entertained that idea.
00:28:23.20\00:28:26.40
And I kind of wished I could,
00:28:26.43\00:28:28.90
but I knew I was never
gonna be one of them guy.
00:28:28.94\00:28:30.27
Yeah.
00:28:30.31\00:28:31.64
No way, for a
variety of reasons.
00:28:31.67\00:28:34.58
So I wondered
about ministries as a kid
00:28:34.61\00:28:36.98
and then when I became a
Bible believing Christian,
00:28:37.01\00:28:42.25
and I became a
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:28:42.28\00:28:44.29
and what I do with
the rest of my life,
00:28:44.32\00:28:45.72
I applied to law school.
00:28:45.75\00:28:47.09
They said, come
on, come to law school,
00:28:47.12\00:28:48.46
I thought I could do that.
00:28:48.49\00:28:49.82
But God had other
plans and while traveling,
00:28:52.86\00:28:56.90
I just kind of
fell into ministry.
00:28:56.93\00:28:59.50
You know, I just
fell into ministry.
00:28:59.53\00:29:01.77
I attended a training program.
00:29:01.80\00:29:04.27
They said, would you
like to be an evangelist?
00:29:04.31\00:29:05.97
I said, oh, what?
00:29:06.01\00:29:07.34
This is a providential,
00:29:07.38\00:29:08.71
step by step directed by
God and fall into ministry.
00:29:08.74\00:29:12.38
Oh, yeah. Be a what?
00:29:12.41\00:29:14.48
But I didn't wanna say yes,
00:29:14.52\00:29:18.05
because who do I think I am?
00:29:18.09\00:29:20.12
But I didn't wanna say no,
because that would seem rude.
00:29:20.16\00:29:22.89
So I thought,
well, if I can help,
00:29:22.92\00:29:27.13
and conducting evangelistic
00:29:27.16\00:29:28.66
series in a
little town in Kentucky,
00:29:28.70\00:29:30.27
and was like,
00:29:30.30\00:29:31.73
that God really
poured out His blessing,
00:29:31.77\00:29:33.67
and somebody evidently
thought maybe this young man
00:29:33.70\00:29:36.07
has a future here.
00:29:36.10\00:29:37.61
I was married
shortly after, and my wife
00:29:37.64\00:29:39.87
and I went on the
road and full time,
00:29:39.91\00:29:42.01
evangelistic ministry
and we segued from that
00:29:42.04\00:29:44.78
into pastoral
ministry, we were so blessed,
00:29:44.81\00:29:47.45
wonderful churches.
00:29:47.48\00:29:49.15
Then I was happily
minding my own business one day
00:29:49.18\00:29:51.72
in a wonderful church
filled with fantastic people.
00:29:51.75\00:29:54.96
We loved it.
00:29:54.99\00:29:56.32
And I got a phone call.
00:29:56.36\00:29:57.69
Would you be interested
in joining It Is Written?
00:29:57.73\00:30:02.30
Well, what do you think?
00:30:02.33\00:30:05.13
And both my boss,
my conference president
00:30:05.17\00:30:08.47
and our head elder both
said, we think you should do it.
00:30:08.50\00:30:11.84
Yeah.
00:30:11.87\00:30:13.21
I hadn't even been
at the church very long.
00:30:13.24\00:30:14.98
It was such a good church.
00:30:15.01\00:30:16.38
And they said, "We
hate to see you go,
00:30:16.41\00:30:18.78
but we think this is you."
00:30:18.81\00:30:20.82
And with the exception
of one lady in the church,
00:30:20.85\00:30:24.39
basically everybody
said, "You need to go do this."
00:30:24.42\00:30:27.86
Praise God.
00:30:27.89\00:30:29.22
And you know, God has blessed
00:30:29.26\00:30:30.59
in such an incredible way.
00:30:30.63\00:30:32.03
How long have you
been president now?
00:30:32.06\00:30:33.90
For almost 11 years, you know?
00:30:33.93\00:30:35.36
Eleven years
doesn't seem possible.
00:30:35.40\00:30:37.20
No, it doesn't, time's going by.
00:30:37.23\00:30:38.87
But what I
appreciate about the gift that
00:30:38.90\00:30:40.87
God has given you is,
00:30:40.90\00:30:43.47
you have a
special way of delivering.
00:30:43.51\00:30:45.64
If you've watched Pastor John
00:30:45.67\00:30:47.94
has a special way
of delivering truths
00:30:47.98\00:30:51.41
that seem difficult that
00:30:51.45\00:30:53.01
some people make them difficult.
00:30:53.05\00:30:54.55
You make them simple,
00:30:54.58\00:30:56.32
and you do it in
a humble attitude
00:30:56.35\00:30:59.92
and manner.
00:30:59.95\00:31:01.29
I think part of that is part
of that's my radio background.
00:31:01.32\00:31:03.59
Okay.
00:31:03.63\00:31:04.96
When all you have is words,
00:31:04.99\00:31:06.53
and you need
people to understand you,
00:31:06.56\00:31:09.20
you got to break
concepts down to a place
00:31:09.23\00:31:11.63
where it's
digestible, and people get it.
00:31:11.67\00:31:13.30
Yeah.
00:31:13.34\00:31:14.67
Part of it is my own background.
00:31:14.70\00:31:16.10
I don't need.
00:31:16.14\00:31:18.34
I need the truth,
00:31:18.37\00:31:19.71
and I need to be
able to understand it.
00:31:19.74\00:31:21.08
Yes.
00:31:21.11\00:31:22.44
Another part of it too, perhaps,
00:31:22.48\00:31:23.81
is my cultural upbringing.
00:31:23.85\00:31:27.05
Look, I know sometimes
00:31:27.08\00:31:28.42
it makes you
look good to use words
00:31:28.45\00:31:30.29
that are this long
and theological concepts
00:31:30.32\00:31:33.22
that Jesus didn't say anything
about feeding the giraffes.
00:31:33.25\00:31:37.89
He said, feed My sheep.
00:31:37.93\00:31:39.33
Amen. And so
let's feed the sheep.
00:31:39.36\00:31:42.50
Another thing that I've learned,
00:31:42.53\00:31:45.07
and I'm not against
theology or theologians,
00:31:45.10\00:31:47.00
you understand that?
00:31:47.04\00:31:49.50
And I say this carefully.
00:31:49.54\00:31:51.87
What I've learned
that, the longer, Shelley,
00:31:51.91\00:31:53.68
the longer I'm in
ministry, the longer I'm around,
00:31:53.71\00:31:56.58
the more I realize
that people need less
00:31:56.61\00:32:00.12
of the chiastic structure
of the Book of Revelation.
00:32:00.15\00:32:03.55
Exactly.
00:32:03.59\00:32:04.92
And more of the
assurance of their salvation.
00:32:04.95\00:32:07.56
Yes. How can I
have peace with God?
00:32:07.59\00:32:09.39
Yes.
00:32:09.42\00:32:10.76
Yesterday, I
spoke with a dear lady
00:32:10.79\00:32:14.70
who's been in the
church all her life.
00:32:14.73\00:32:17.30
She didn't have
too many years left,
00:32:17.33\00:32:19.13
she really doesn't.
00:32:19.17\00:32:20.67
And she said,
00:32:20.70\00:32:22.77
I'm not sure I'm right with God.
00:32:22.80\00:32:24.47
Yes.
00:32:24.51\00:32:25.84
But, of course,
she's right with God.
00:32:25.87\00:32:27.51
But she's in that place now that
00:32:27.54\00:32:28.88
she's wrestling because of this,
00:32:28.91\00:32:30.25
and that that's going on
in the background in her life.
00:32:30.28\00:32:32.98
Now, I don't
mean to oversimplify,
00:32:33.01\00:32:35.12
of course, there's
a time for discussions
00:32:35.15\00:32:37.22
about A, B and C,
00:32:37.25\00:32:40.32
alpha, beta,
00:32:40.36\00:32:41.72
gamma and delta, you know,
00:32:41.76\00:32:43.43
sure there, that
that's appropriate.
00:32:43.46\00:32:45.66
We are where we are today,
because theologians, you know,
00:32:45.69\00:32:48.86
got their hard hats on,
00:32:48.90\00:32:50.30
and they and they
picks their pick axes
00:32:50.33\00:32:52.90
and chiseled away
at the in the quarry
00:32:52.93\00:32:56.10
of the Word of God,
00:32:56.14\00:32:57.47
and they found these
wonderful gems for us.
00:32:57.51\00:32:59.21
Thank God for that.
00:32:59.24\00:33:00.74
But when I teach,
00:33:00.78\00:33:02.68
when I share when
we produce TV programs,
00:33:02.71\00:33:05.01
we just want to
get the message across.
00:33:05.05\00:33:06.38
Amen.
00:33:06.41\00:33:07.75
Want people to
understand this, want something
00:33:07.78\00:33:09.12
that's going to
be life changing.
00:33:09.15\00:33:10.49
What's the salvation issue?
00:33:10.52\00:33:11.85
Yeah, I once
needed, my life changed.
00:33:11.89\00:33:14.26
And so I wanted to
share the Word of God
00:33:14.29\00:33:16.16
in such a way that
00:33:16.19\00:33:17.53
if they get
whatever they can reduce it
00:33:17.56\00:33:19.49
down to is going to have a life
altering impact in the life.
00:33:19.53\00:33:22.66
You know, let me back up
00:33:22.70\00:33:24.50
because I want to say one thing
about the chiastic structure.
00:33:24.53\00:33:29.44
That's the X shape of it,
00:33:29.47\00:33:32.21
how you get into
words like recapitulation.
00:33:32.24\00:33:35.84
And we talk about the
hermeneutical principles
00:33:35.88\00:33:39.01
by which, that just means
00:33:39.05\00:33:40.68
the method of interpretation.
00:33:40.72\00:33:42.72
What I will say, as God,
00:33:42.75\00:33:46.86
when God told me to forget
00:33:46.89\00:33:48.32
what I thought I knew and come,
00:33:48.36\00:33:50.29
sit at His feet,
He would teach me.
00:33:50.33\00:33:52.89
He taught me the truth
about the Ten Commandments,
00:33:52.93\00:33:56.33
the truth about the Sabbath.
00:33:56.36\00:33:58.63
I was so excited the
first Sabbath I celebrated.
00:33:58.67\00:34:01.50
This was two years
00:34:01.54\00:34:02.87
before I knew
anything about Adventism.
00:34:02.90\00:34:05.97
He taught me the truth
of the state of the dead,
00:34:06.01\00:34:08.14
the truth about hell,
00:34:08.18\00:34:09.51
as I'm studying in
the Greek, in the Hebrew,
00:34:09.54\00:34:12.01
and I realized, oh, you know,
00:34:12.05\00:34:14.78
hell is a place
where people burn up.
00:34:14.82\00:34:17.29
I mean, we're gonna
walk on their ashes.
00:34:17.32\00:34:20.06
But there was one
thing I was begging for.
00:34:20.09\00:34:23.69
And what I didn't understand
was prophecy, Revelation.
00:34:23.73\00:34:29.66
I was taught not
to read Revelation.
00:34:29.70\00:34:33.50
And yet I peek and it'd say,
00:34:33.54\00:34:35.44
blessed is the one
who hears these words.
00:34:35.47\00:34:37.11
That's right.
00:34:37.14\00:34:38.47
Blessed, you know,
00:34:38.51\00:34:39.84
and I'd think I'm
missing a blessing.
00:34:39.87\00:34:41.21
And I'd get started in it.
00:34:41.24\00:34:43.24
Oh, John, I was so lost.
00:34:43.28\00:34:45.41
I could not
understand the symbols.
00:34:45.45\00:34:47.25
I bought every, every book
00:34:47.28\00:34:52.22
that there was out there on
prophecy, and they were all.
00:34:52.25\00:34:56.36
There's three ways of
interpreting prophecy,
00:34:56.39\00:35:02.40
what Adventist our
method is historicist.
00:35:02.43\00:35:06.67
And that means we believe that
00:35:06.70\00:35:09.00
prophecy is
history written in advance.
00:35:09.04\00:35:12.07
And that basically,
when history happens,
00:35:12.11\00:35:15.08
it's going to
reveal the prophecy,
00:35:15.11\00:35:17.15
I mean, it's going to show us
00:35:17.18\00:35:18.51
for certain this is what it is.
00:35:18.55\00:35:20.28
We believe that
there's an unfolding to it.
00:35:20.32\00:35:24.55
But that was popular
during the Reformation.
00:35:24.59\00:35:28.12
It was, yes, it was.
00:35:28.16\00:35:29.49
Then suddenly the
Counter Reformation
00:35:29.52\00:35:31.59
came from two Jesuit priests,
00:35:31.63\00:35:34.16
one came up
00:35:34.20\00:35:35.53
with the
preterist view of Revelation
00:35:35.56\00:35:37.57
that this is all
happened in the past,
00:35:37.60\00:35:39.53
don't need to worry about it.
00:35:39.57\00:35:40.90
One was a futurist view
00:35:40.94\00:35:42.60
where they lopped off a week
from the Daniel time prophecy.
00:35:42.64\00:35:46.88
And they put a lot
of things in the future.
00:35:46.91\00:35:49.31
All of that to say
this, I was so confused.
00:35:49.34\00:35:52.98
Oh, you would be,
that's what you can.
00:35:53.01\00:35:54.35
I was so confused.
00:35:54.38\00:35:55.72
And I thought,
Lord, who do I believe?
00:35:55.75\00:35:57.89
And at that time, here,
00:35:57.92\00:36:00.66
I'm out teaching
salvation by grace,
00:36:00.69\00:36:03.49
obedience by grace through faith
00:36:03.53\00:36:05.83
is God works in us to will
and to do is good pleasure.
00:36:05.86\00:36:09.33
But I turned on
3ABN caught my attention,
00:36:09.36\00:36:12.70
and I found out
by watching 3ABN,
00:36:12.73\00:36:16.37
that out of the 404
verses in Revelation,
00:36:16.40\00:36:19.77
what 278 plus are straight
00:36:19.81\00:36:23.35
from the Old Testament
00:36:23.38\00:36:24.71
and it's the Old Testament,
00:36:24.75\00:36:26.51
that's the key
to all the symbols,
00:36:26.55\00:36:28.48
Daniel unlocks Revelation,
00:36:28.52\00:36:30.92
and I know how
important you believe
00:36:30.95\00:36:32.89
the Three Angels' Messages are.
00:36:32.92\00:36:34.82
Tell us just what are
the Three Angels' Message?
00:36:34.86\00:36:37.76
Why do we need
to know them today?
00:36:37.79\00:36:39.83
Listen, the
Three Angels' Messages
00:36:39.86\00:36:41.56
are really, really
justification by faith,
00:36:41.60\00:36:44.53
but we'll back up from there.
00:36:44.57\00:36:46.74
When you get into the
heart of the Book of Revelation,
00:36:46.77\00:36:49.80
Revelation Chapter 14,
00:36:49.84\00:36:52.17
"I heard I saw another angel fly
00:36:52.21\00:36:54.24
in the midst of heaven
having the everlasting gospel."
00:36:54.28\00:36:56.38
So one thing we don't
want to forget is that
00:36:56.41\00:36:58.81
the Three Angels'
Messages are the gospel.
00:36:58.85\00:37:00.98
Amen. See, it's
not a kind of gospel.
00:37:01.02\00:37:04.19
It's not an end time gospel.
00:37:04.22\00:37:05.62
It's not a special gospel.
00:37:05.65\00:37:08.02
It's the gospel,
the everlasting gospel.
00:37:08.06\00:37:10.39
So we need to keep
that front and center,
00:37:10.43\00:37:11.99
that's very important.
00:37:12.03\00:37:13.36
And then to flesh that out.
00:37:13.40\00:37:16.20
John gets into
some specifics with us,
00:37:16.23\00:37:18.50
at least the angel
gets into some specifics,
00:37:18.53\00:37:20.64
John wrote them down, "Fear God,
00:37:20.67\00:37:22.87
give glory to Him,
00:37:22.90\00:37:24.24
the hour of His
judgment has come."
00:37:24.27\00:37:25.61
So the gospel in the
context of earth's last days,
00:37:25.64\00:37:28.94
the judgment hour in
which we're living now,
00:37:28.98\00:37:31.71
worship Him who
made heaven and earth,
00:37:31.75\00:37:33.68
that was what you learned,
00:37:33.72\00:37:35.05
keep the commandments of God.
00:37:35.08\00:37:36.55
We are preparing now
to stand in the presence
00:37:36.58\00:37:39.52
of a holy God
without a mediator.
00:37:39.55\00:37:41.86
Don't talk about that too much.
00:37:41.89\00:37:43.22
We're getting already.
00:37:43.26\00:37:44.59
Yeah, but that's
after the latter rain,
00:37:44.63\00:37:46.09
so in the sealing.
00:37:46.13\00:37:47.46
That's right.
00:37:47.50\00:37:48.96
We're getting
ready now to live through
00:37:49.00\00:37:50.67
the very last days
of this earth's history
00:37:50.70\00:37:52.97
and to be a demonstration
of the power of God
00:37:53.00\00:37:54.87
in the lives of individuals.
00:37:54.90\00:37:56.60
First angel's
message so is part of that,
00:37:56.64\00:37:58.67
remember the
Sabbath day to keep it holy.
00:37:58.71\00:38:00.74
That's to worship Him
who made heaven and earth,
00:38:00.78\00:38:03.51
and the seas and
the fountains of waters.
00:38:03.55\00:38:05.35
See one of those
quotes from the Old Testament
00:38:05.38\00:38:07.55
that you mentioned a moment ago.
00:38:07.58\00:38:08.92
Yes.
00:38:08.95\00:38:10.29
Second angel's
message, Babylon has fallen,
00:38:10.32\00:38:12.72
get out of religious confusion,
00:38:12.75\00:38:14.76
get out of
theological falsehood,
00:38:14.79\00:38:18.16
false teaching.
00:38:18.19\00:38:20.00
Third angel's message,
00:38:20.03\00:38:21.36
don't worship the beast
00:38:21.40\00:38:22.83
or receive the mark of
the beast if you do it.
00:38:22.86\00:38:25.87
You've crossed
the point of no return
00:38:25.90\00:38:28.50
and we understand what
that mark of the beast is.
00:38:28.54\00:38:31.17
And in that what
God is calling us to,
00:38:31.21\00:38:32.54
God doesn't call us...
00:38:32.57\00:38:33.91
Yeah.
00:38:33.94\00:38:35.28
Let's some people think
00:38:35.31\00:38:36.64
the mark of the
beast is the vaccination.
00:38:36.68\00:38:39.18
So explain, the
mark of the beast
00:38:39.21\00:38:41.08
is all about worship
and choosing to follow God
00:38:41.12\00:38:44.39
or choosing to follow Satan.
00:38:44.42\00:38:46.59
It bears repeating, I'll
say this and then leap on.
00:38:46.62\00:38:50.66
No one should be
talking about a vaccine
00:38:50.69\00:38:52.76
and the mark of the beast.
00:38:52.79\00:38:54.73
It's, I know people do.
00:38:54.76\00:38:57.07
I was talking this morning,
00:38:57.10\00:38:58.60
a lady spoke to my
colleague and said,
00:38:58.63\00:39:01.24
my friends are telling me
I've got the mark of the beast.
00:39:01.27\00:39:03.77
This is madness.
00:39:03.81\00:39:07.08
So we'll go on from there.
00:39:07.11\00:39:09.44
The mark of the beast, you know,
00:39:09.48\00:39:12.01
several hundred years ago,
00:39:12.05\00:39:13.92
brilliant people
who studied the Bible
00:39:13.95\00:39:15.68
came to the
conclusion that that beast,
00:39:15.72\00:39:18.22
beast is simply a
kingdom or a nation.
00:39:18.25\00:39:19.59
Yes.
00:39:19.62\00:39:20.96
So it's the mark of the kingdom.
00:39:20.99\00:39:22.32
Yes.
00:39:22.36\00:39:23.69
What's the
kingdom with the mark?
00:39:23.73\00:39:26.43
Well, if you were to ask
Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli.
00:39:26.46\00:39:30.57
John Huss, if you're to
ask John Wycliffe, the Bible,
00:39:30.60\00:39:34.44
translator, even
John Wesley, John Knox,
00:39:34.47\00:39:38.31
John is a good
name for a reformer.
00:39:38.34\00:39:40.38
They were all part of
the Protestant Reformation,
00:39:40.41\00:39:43.75
bringing the church
back to the true Word of God.
00:39:43.78\00:39:47.18
They would all tell you that
00:39:47.22\00:39:49.42
that nation being
spoken of was the papacy
00:39:49.45\00:39:51.75
of the Roman Catholic Church.
00:39:51.79\00:39:53.12
Yes.
00:39:53.15\00:39:54.49
Now today, if what
you know of Catholicism
00:39:54.52\00:39:56.26
is Catholic Social
Services and that kind priests
00:39:56.29\00:39:58.83
that you see at the
post office from time to time
00:39:58.86\00:40:00.86
and a wonderful
school and a hospital.
00:40:00.90\00:40:03.26
You might look at that and say,
00:40:03.30\00:40:04.63
Oh, that
doesn't sound very fair.
00:40:04.67\00:40:06.90
But look beyond,
look beyond that.
00:40:06.94\00:40:09.10
Really look to the
heart of this thing and say,
00:40:09.14\00:40:11.07
what is it we're
dealing with here?
00:40:11.11\00:40:12.97
You're dealing with a system
00:40:13.01\00:40:15.08
that has
substituted truth for error,
00:40:15.11\00:40:19.28
or error for truth.
00:40:19.31\00:40:20.65
They've switched to a system
00:40:20.68\00:40:22.65
that has changed
the commandments of God
00:40:22.68\00:40:24.65
and doesn't blush
when you ask him about it.
00:40:24.69\00:40:26.86
A system that will tell
you to pray to the dead,
00:40:26.89\00:40:29.02
rather than go to Jesus.
00:40:29.06\00:40:30.39
A system that says salvation
00:40:30.43\00:40:31.76
is found in the
Roman Catholic Church.
00:40:31.79\00:40:35.23
I mean, really very,
very powerful system.
00:40:35.26\00:40:39.33
I don't need to
be mean or unkind.
00:40:39.37\00:40:41.80
But as you look into the
Bible, this nation, this kingdom
00:40:41.84\00:40:45.84
can only be the papacy of
the Roman Catholic Church.
00:40:45.87\00:40:48.88
They have a mark, a
mark of their authority,
00:40:48.91\00:40:51.31
and you and I
could take half an hour
00:40:51.35\00:40:53.92
or an hour or two
hours to talk about
00:40:53.95\00:40:56.25
how we arrive at that.
00:40:56.28\00:40:57.62
But the shorthand is the mark,
00:40:57.65\00:41:00.19
the sign of the authority
of the Roman Catholic Church.
00:41:00.22\00:41:03.69
Which they say themselves.
00:41:03.73\00:41:05.39
They claim, they changed
00:41:05.43\00:41:08.26
the commandments
of God, therefore,
00:41:08.30\00:41:11.43
that's the sign that
00:41:11.47\00:41:12.80
we have
authority in Christianity,
00:41:12.83\00:41:16.20
and in the world, and
Christians agree with them
00:41:16.24\00:41:19.37
by accepting their mark
and following along with that.
00:41:19.41\00:41:23.04
Why else would you
be following a man made
00:41:23.08\00:41:26.98
version of the Ten Commandments?
00:41:27.02\00:41:29.75
Yes.
00:41:29.78\00:41:31.12
And if we believe that
00:41:31.15\00:41:32.49
love is the
fulfilling of the law,
00:41:32.52\00:41:33.86
we wanna be sure
that we get this right,
00:41:33.89\00:41:35.46
because we want to love God
00:41:35.49\00:41:37.23
and demonstrate
that love in our lives.
00:41:37.26\00:41:39.76
It's important.
00:41:39.79\00:41:41.90
So those Three Angels'
Messages help us to see
00:41:41.93\00:41:44.10
the last day issue
and drive us to Jesus.
00:41:44.13\00:41:48.00
We don't learn this,
00:41:48.04\00:41:49.60
so that we can take
rocks and throw them at people
00:41:49.64\00:41:50.97
who don't believe like us.
00:41:51.01\00:41:52.34
No.
00:41:52.37\00:41:53.71
We don't learn this so that
00:41:53.74\00:41:55.08
we can be rebels
in a time of crisis.
00:41:55.11\00:41:56.75
We learn this, so that
00:41:56.78\00:41:58.48
bearing the truth in our hearts,
00:41:58.51\00:42:01.22
we can live for
Christ, run to Christ,
00:42:01.25\00:42:04.65
and then share
Jesus with others,
00:42:04.69\00:42:06.65
pointing them to the
light and away from the dark.
00:42:06.69\00:42:09.96
I have to say, you
brought a tool with you today.
00:42:09.99\00:42:14.76
And this is a
book by Austin Cooke,
00:42:14.80\00:42:18.63
a fellow Kiwi from down under
00:42:18.67\00:42:20.70
and you knew him personally.
00:42:20.74\00:42:22.07
Yes, I do.
00:42:22.10\00:42:23.44
And he has written a book
00:42:23.47\00:42:24.94
Enduring Vision:
Revelation Revealed
00:42:24.97\00:42:27.88
or this is a
compilation of his work.
00:42:27.91\00:42:29.94
Kind of it. Yeah.
00:42:29.98\00:42:31.38
When I wore a
younger man's clothes,
00:42:31.41\00:42:33.35
and I lived this far
00:42:33.38\00:42:37.99
from Elder Cooke, Pastor Cooke.
00:42:38.02\00:42:40.36
A number of us young people
00:42:40.39\00:42:41.99
would go to his
home on a Sunday evening,
00:42:42.02\00:42:44.03
he'd hold court,
my words, not his.
00:42:44.06\00:42:46.73
He'd sit in his chair,
00:42:46.76\00:42:48.10
and we would sit in
the semi circle around him.
00:42:48.13\00:42:50.07
And we'd study the
Book of Revelation.
00:42:50.10\00:42:52.63
And he'd have these,
00:42:52.67\00:42:54.04
they weren't
pamphlets exactly booklets,
00:42:54.07\00:42:56.50
multicolored, a
green one and a blue one
00:42:56.54\00:42:59.01
and a red one and a white one.
00:42:59.04\00:43:01.94
And those notes formed the basis
00:43:01.98\00:43:05.51
of this book an Enduring Vision.
00:43:05.55\00:43:08.38
We set with rapt
attention, as he taught us
00:43:08.42\00:43:12.75
about this Christ
of the Revelation,
00:43:12.79\00:43:15.36
and had us dig into
the Book of Revelation
00:43:15.39\00:43:17.86
and made the book come alive.
00:43:17.89\00:43:20.13
And so I was
really happy to see.
00:43:20.16\00:43:23.03
Pastor Cooke has
passed away since,
00:43:23.06\00:43:25.23
but so happy to see this
00:43:25.27\00:43:26.60
book exists now,
really those notes.
00:43:26.63\00:43:29.70
Pastor Cooke was a
division evangelist.
00:43:29.74\00:43:32.81
He was a warhorse.
00:43:32.84\00:43:34.64
He would travel and preach,
00:43:34.68\00:43:36.41
and travel and preach
and raise up churches,
00:43:36.44\00:43:38.88
and baptize people
00:43:38.91\00:43:40.28
and boldly
proclaim the Word of God.
00:43:40.32\00:43:42.55
He was, you know,
00:43:42.58\00:43:43.92
from that
earlier generation that
00:43:43.95\00:43:45.29
they were
fearless and visionary.
00:43:45.32\00:43:49.42
So I love the book.
00:43:49.46\00:43:51.03
You know, what I don't
want anyone to think is that
00:43:51.06\00:43:53.53
any book about Revelation.
00:43:53.56\00:43:56.33
We're gonna, this is called
a verse by verse exposition.
00:43:56.36\00:44:01.84
You could call it a commentary.
00:44:01.87\00:44:03.51
It's a commentary.
00:44:03.54\00:44:04.87
I don't think anybody should say
00:44:04.91\00:44:06.24
that any commentary written
by an uninspired human being
00:44:06.27\00:44:09.54
is perfect in every way.
00:44:09.58\00:44:13.05
But this one is pretty good.
00:44:13.08\00:44:14.62
It's really very good.
00:44:14.65\00:44:17.22
What oozes out of this
book is Pastor Cooke's passion
00:44:17.25\00:44:21.86
for God and his
passion for the Bible.
00:44:21.89\00:44:25.86
For Him, the Bible
is not a dead letter.
00:44:25.89\00:44:29.00
Amen.
00:44:29.03\00:44:30.37
Is not something
that's up for grabs.
00:44:30.40\00:44:32.53
You don't vote about it.
00:44:32.57\00:44:34.77
It's not subject to
skepticism and doubt.
00:44:34.80\00:44:38.34
You don't start from a position
of doubt with the Bible,
00:44:38.37\00:44:40.14
but from a
position of certainty.
00:44:40.18\00:44:42.78
It represents God's
best intentions towards you.
00:44:42.81\00:44:46.92
And so when he wrote this book,
00:44:46.95\00:44:48.85
you don't read it and say,
00:44:48.88\00:44:50.55
he doesn't seem convinced,
00:44:50.59\00:44:51.92
you don't read it and come away
00:44:51.95\00:44:53.29
saying, No, I'm not certain,
00:44:53.32\00:44:55.82
you read it and
say God is great.
00:44:55.86\00:44:57.79
Jesus is my Savior,
the Bible is everything,
00:44:57.83\00:45:00.43
the Word of God is sure.
00:45:00.46\00:45:02.10
It's inspired
and inspiring work.
00:45:02.13\00:45:04.33
You know, unfortunately,
00:45:04.37\00:45:05.70
I have to tell
you something funny.
00:45:05.73\00:45:07.27
In all transparency,
00:45:07.30\00:45:08.64
someone else was going
to do today's interview
00:45:08.67\00:45:11.94
and so they had to go
out of town and they said,
00:45:11.97\00:45:14.91
Shelley would you like to.
00:45:14.94\00:45:16.28
I said, oh, what a
privilege this would be.
00:45:16.31\00:45:18.28
So this will give you the book.
00:45:18.31\00:45:20.22
And I got this book yesterday,
00:45:20.25\00:45:21.75
and I thought I was gonna
read it before you got here?
00:45:21.78\00:45:25.25
Well, it's only
730 some odd pages.
00:45:25.29\00:45:27.92
Oh.
00:45:27.96\00:45:29.29
So I opened the book,
00:45:29.32\00:45:31.13
Ryan Day who is
going to do the interview
00:45:31.16\00:45:33.40
said this is one of
his favorite commentaries
00:45:33.43\00:45:36.03
and please
understand what you're saying
00:45:36.06\00:45:38.67
there is like when
we get to the sixth,
00:45:38.70\00:45:42.20
or the fifth trumpet,
00:45:42.24\00:45:43.94
there are this is by
the historicist method,
00:45:43.97\00:45:47.94
it is one of the accepted
00:45:47.98\00:45:50.78
interpretations on the trumpets,
00:45:50.81\00:45:52.91
but there's different
00:45:52.95\00:45:54.28
interpretations on that area.
00:45:54.32\00:45:56.28
The main thing I
like about this is,
00:45:56.32\00:45:59.49
you feel the love of God.
00:45:59.52\00:46:02.42
When I just opened it up,
00:46:02.46\00:46:03.83
it was page 227, 226,
00:46:03.86\00:46:09.73
it was talking
about the sealing message,
00:46:09.76\00:46:12.57
the seal of the Holy Spirit,
00:46:12.60\00:46:15.07
the seal of the law,
00:46:15.10\00:46:16.67
which we find the
seal in the Sabbath,
00:46:16.71\00:46:19.34
and the seal of redemption.
00:46:19.37\00:46:23.04
And he goes through
00:46:23.08\00:46:24.41
and he makes you
stop and think and pull,
00:46:24.45\00:46:27.72
he pulls all these
Bible verses together.
00:46:27.75\00:46:30.05
So it really
was quite beautiful.
00:46:30.09\00:46:32.85
It really points you
to salvation in Christ,
00:46:32.89\00:46:35.62
as revealed in the
Book of Revelation.
00:46:35.66\00:46:37.43
Righteousness by faith.
00:46:37.46\00:46:38.79
That's right, not a
collection of facts.
00:46:38.83\00:46:40.60
It's not a collection
of dry historical data.
00:46:40.63\00:46:43.10
This is the book.
00:46:43.13\00:46:44.53
The Book of
Revelation begins by telling us
00:46:44.57\00:46:47.77
it's the
revelation of Jesus Christ.
00:46:47.80\00:46:49.90
And Pastor Cooke's book
really reinforces that idea.
00:46:49.94\00:46:53.44
It's deep.
00:46:53.48\00:46:54.81
It's theologically
deep, it's historically rich.
00:46:54.84\00:47:00.42
So you know, you read this,
00:47:00.45\00:47:01.92
and it makes the book,
00:47:01.95\00:47:03.28
one of the things I like about
00:47:03.32\00:47:04.65
is it makes the Book of
Revelation very accessible.
00:47:04.69\00:47:06.99
It demystifies the book.
00:47:07.02\00:47:08.89
And I...
00:47:08.92\00:47:10.56
The few portions that I've read,
00:47:10.59\00:47:12.96
his writing style is engaging.
00:47:12.99\00:47:15.73
I don't feel like I have
a theologian preaching me.
00:47:15.76\00:47:18.40
That's right. That's right.
00:47:18.43\00:47:19.77
It's something that I
look forward to reading.
00:47:19.80\00:47:21.80
Yeah.
00:47:21.84\00:47:23.17
This is written
by man whose life
00:47:23.20\00:47:25.44
was given to communicating
the principles of the Bible.
00:47:25.47\00:47:29.08
His life was given
to communicating Christ.
00:47:29.11\00:47:32.21
You know, as an evangelist,
00:47:32.25\00:47:33.82
if the audience doesn't get it,
00:47:33.85\00:47:36.28
if it doesn't sink in,
00:47:36.32\00:47:37.89
if it's not making sense,
00:47:37.92\00:47:39.45
if it's not resonating,
00:47:39.49\00:47:40.89
it will be a bit
of a waste of time,
00:47:40.92\00:47:42.39
and he wrote like
that understanding.
00:47:42.42\00:47:43.96
I got a message
00:47:43.99\00:47:45.33
that I want my
readers to understand.
00:47:45.36\00:47:46.90
So it's accessible like that.
00:47:46.93\00:47:48.43
It's an exciting
book to read. It is.
00:47:48.46\00:47:50.27
Yeah. So how do
people get this book?
00:47:50.30\00:47:52.87
Well, numerous ways.
00:47:52.90\00:47:54.30
I think maybe the easiest
way would be to contact us
00:47:54.34\00:47:56.97
at It Is Written
because we sell it,
00:47:57.01\00:47:59.27
I know it's
sold in other places,
00:47:59.31\00:48:00.68
but I honestly
don't know, all of them,
00:48:00.71\00:48:02.81
or maybe even some of them.
00:48:02.84\00:48:04.65
But if somebody is
looking for that web address,
00:48:04.68\00:48:07.65
ItIsWritten.shop
00:48:07.68\00:48:09.02
That'd be easy, ItIsWritten.shop
00:48:09.05\00:48:11.22
You spell that
out instead of IIW,
00:48:11.25\00:48:13.76
do you spell it out,
ItIsWritten.shop Yep.
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Or just visit our
website, ItIsWritten.com
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Call us on the phone,
email us however you want to,
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however you want.
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It's certainly worth
reading worth looking at.
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Now, you mentioned the trumpets.
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Yeah, it's true.
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You've got to keep in mind
when Pastor Cooke was younger,
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you know, there was a view
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of the trumpets
floating around that probably
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isn't generally accepted today.
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If you know that,
you'll read that and say,
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okay, that was the view then.
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But I really want to
stay with where we are today.
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Elsewhere in the book, though,
you're going to be just fine.
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And I think it's okay,
we don't read a commentary
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because we believe that
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every last thing in
there was voiced by God.
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We want the writer to
do his or her very best.
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And thankfully,
where you might say,
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you know, I think
we've moved on from that.
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It's not an area where you say,
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oh, my salvation is at jeopardy,
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or we're denying
a fundamental belief
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of the church,
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or we are getting away
from one of the essentials.
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This is interpreting
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some of the less clear aspects
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of the trumpets,
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and I'm able to look at that
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with a little grace insert.
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I know where he's coming from.
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Yes. And it was
the popular view.
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What I do like, is you feel
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the evangelist's
heart in his writing
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because it is going to give you
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a lot of fullness to the message
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because he is so
solid on the word.
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And he's bringing it together.
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It's kind of like he's weaving
together a fabric of love
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with all of these
various scriptures
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in the areas, which I've read,
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it's really been interesting.
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This seal is also a
guarantee of inheritance.
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The seal of the spirit is sure
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as I say one day we
will inherit the kingdom.
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I mean, this is an
evangelist's heart,
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a pastor's heart.
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And he's saying, you know,
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you can be as
excited about this messages
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I am because it's
gonna change your life.
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It's gonna...
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Christ is gonna be
revealed in your heart.
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He gets into, of
course, Revelation Chapter 13,
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you're gonna be dealing
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with the subject
of the Antichrist.
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Yes.
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It's very clear, historically,
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well supported,
well fleshed out.
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Revelation 12.
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Immediately before that,
we talk about the remnant.
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There's no prevaricating,
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no obfuscating, boom,
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he hits it head on
and unapologetically,
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this is what we believe,
this is what the Bible teaches.
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I love that. Amen and amen.
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It's him all the way.
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And we just have to say
we love you, Brother John.
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We are just so
glad that you came in.
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And this has been
a little bit unusual.
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Just sit and chat.
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We had no idea
where we were going to go.
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But I will say,
we're gonna come back
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for a closing comment,
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but I want to say
this before I forget it.
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You know, sometimes
people grow up and they said,
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well, I wasn't taught
that when I was a kid.
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Get into the Word of
God. Let God teach you.
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God wants you to know the truth.
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He's trying to
reveal Himself to you.
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You're a seeker.
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I was a seeker.
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And, boy, I'll tell
you when you seek Him
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with all your heart,
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He guarantees He's
gonna be found by you.
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Well, don't go away.
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We're going to news break
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and we'll be right
back for closing thought
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with John Bradshaw.
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