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00:02 we're living in unprecedented times. 00:05 Join us now for Today special program. 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Mending broken people 00:23 I want to spend my life 00:29 Removing pain 00:34 Lord, let my words 00:39 Heal a heart that hurts 00:44 I want to spend my life 00:50 Mending broken people 00:55 I want to spend my life 01:00 Mending broken people 01:15 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:18 I'm Shelley Quinn. 01:20 I'm JD Quinn. 01:21 And we're so glad that you're joining us. 01:23 Romans 10:15, Paul says, "How beautiful are the feet of those 01:28 who preach the good news, those," he says, 01:32 "who bring glad tidings of good things." 01:36 And we have a couple here today that have beautiful feet. 01:41 Amen. Amen. 01:42 And we want to go ahead and introduce them right now. 01:46 Joining us all the way from Indonesia 01:50 are Ramon Tengkano, did I say that right, Ramon? 01:54 Yes. Okay, good. 01:55 You are the director of Jesus For Asia, 01:59 Indonesia Satellite and Health. 02:03 Yes, I am. That's a mouthful. 02:06 And then your lovely wife, Shandy. 02:08 Shandy, we are so glad you're the co-director 02:11 for Jesus For Asia, Indonesia Satellite and Health. 02:16 And we are just we want to welcome you. 02:19 This is their first time to 3ABN. 02:23 And I'm just going to say this. 02:25 They are native Indonesian. 02:27 English is not their first language, 02:29 but they're doing a wonderful job. 02:31 So we're very pleased 02:33 and have an exciting interview of what, 02:38 how God took them from a life of materialism 02:43 into a life of service. 02:45 Amen. 02:46 How God changed their hearts, 02:50 and restored their marriage 02:53 and gave their life true purpose 02:56 and filled the void that was in their heart. 02:59 They have an exciting testimony and an exciting ministry. 03:05 Why don't we, we have special music. 03:07 With our special music, we love our music. 03:10 And we have Paulo Torres and he's a violinist 03:14 and we're going to be holy, holy, holy. 06:20 That's just absolutely amazing to me 06:22 how you can take an instrument and make it sound that good. 06:25 Someday you're going to get to do that 06:26 when you get to heaven. 06:28 Oh, I hope so. I hope so. 06:29 Well, if you are joining us just a little late, 06:31 our special guests are Ramon and Shandy. 06:35 Let me say this again, Tengkano. 06:38 And they are from Indonesia. 06:40 And they've got the most exciting testimony 06:43 of what Jesus has done in their lives. 06:45 So let us start with that. 06:48 Ramon, would you tell us about your growing up years? 06:53 Did you grow up in a Christian home? 06:55 Well, yeah, I grew up in a Christian home 06:58 with a Christian culture. 07:00 You know, did all the Christian young people would do. 07:06 Was that a Seventh-day Adventist? 07:07 Yes, it was. 07:09 Okay. I was a third generation... 07:10 I'm a third generation Adventist. 07:11 Okay. 07:13 But you know, it was nothing but just a routine with me. 07:17 Sure. 07:18 And I think I was in early 20 07:20 something I kind of left the church. 07:22 Okay. 07:23 My body would go to church sometimes, 07:25 but never in my heart. 07:28 I understood I had the grasp, 07:31 understanding what it really meant to be Christian. 07:33 Yeah. 07:34 So I was just pursuing everything else 07:36 that the world is going after. 07:38 So you know, my daddy told me, 07:40 yeah, Jesus is coming but you know, go make your money, son, 07:43 that kind of thing. 07:44 Yeah. 07:45 So I went to college, I did everything. 07:47 It was the only thing I was after is just money, 07:48 how to get rich, how to get everything 07:50 because I thought money was gonna solve everything. 07:52 Money was gonna make me happy. 07:55 And I had a successful business. 07:58 And then I was, I remember going... 08:00 Very successful business. 08:01 Yeah. 08:03 You know, I have to just say one thing, Ramon. 08:05 It's very rare that someone says, 08:08 we had all the money we needed 08:10 or all the money we wanted. 08:11 But that is a comment that Ramon made is we had it all. 08:16 And so you really were very successful. 08:19 Yeah. 08:20 Well, there's a higher mountain behind higher 08:25 than the tallest mountains in a way. 08:27 Yeah. 08:28 But I think to me, 08:29 I was successful in my own terms. 08:32 I remember just finishing college there as a young man, 08:35 challenging me. 08:36 Who's gonna get the first million dollar in the bank? 08:38 Yeah. 08:40 All right, let's race to the first million dollar. 08:42 That kind of drove me for many, many years 08:45 because I didn't like this guy. 08:46 I had to prove him that I'm going to get there first 08:48 before he did. 08:50 So actually, I did yeah, I was 28, 08:52 I looked at my bank account. 08:54 I had all houses, I had cars everything paid for 08:56 and then I few millions in my bank, 08:58 I'm gonna, oh, I'm gonna call this guy. 09:00 Yeah. 09:01 Just to prove that I'm winning. 09:02 Amen. 09:04 What was going on in your heart? 09:06 But you know, the Bible says whatever is born 09:08 by the flesh is flesh, 09:09 whatever is born by the spirit of spirit. 09:11 If you're comfortable in flesh, 09:13 you're not comfortable in spirit 09:15 because the two are always opposing each other, right? 09:17 I think at that level, that kind of lie. 09:20 I think many Christians, you know, if you're happy in flesh, 09:24 you're searching in spirit, you're starving in spirit. 09:28 I think I was the kind of person 09:30 that wanted to do something about it, 09:32 even though not many people are willing to do anything 09:35 about it. 09:36 Because they know by Christian definition, 09:38 by Bible definition, this is all temporary. 09:41 This is all going to go at some point. 09:43 I thought to myself, I might as well start practicing 09:46 to do this voluntarily. 09:49 I didn't know what that meant. 09:50 I was just searching the Lord, I went back to the books. 09:53 At the time I was, 09:54 we were already married like five years, I think. 09:59 But my wife didn't buy it in the beginning, 10:02 even though we got married in Christian family. 10:05 Shandy grew up with a Muslim father. 10:08 But I told her, you know, in the back of my mind, 10:12 I know something we have to do something 10:13 because we're Christians, we believe in the Bible. 10:15 We believe in Jesus. 10:17 We believe in the prophecy. 10:19 We believe all these things are all temporary 10:20 and then she said hmm, she didn't buy it. 10:24 You found me, we met in the dark world, 10:26 now you want to bring me to something 10:27 that is completely foreign to me. 10:29 I'm not going there with you. 10:31 Yes. 10:32 Because I was... 10:34 How did you grow up? Tell us about that? 10:35 Because you know, I was, 10:38 I grown up in a non-godly family. 10:41 Okay. 10:42 And then my parents always teach me that, 10:45 you know, the one that the world, 10:47 you know, if you want to have happiness, 10:49 you know, you better have a lot of money. 10:51 So you know, from, you know, his, 10:54 I'm grown up with that kind of value. 10:58 So I chasing money, I chasing everything, 11:00 you know, because that is already put in my mind. 11:04 And then here we are, 11:05 my husband's wants to be a missionary. 11:07 And then he said, He tell like, 11:09 "Shandy, life is not like that." 11:11 I was like, "No way." 11:13 You know the life. 11:14 Now let me ask you. 11:16 Did you already have, you've been married five years to him? 11:17 Yes. 11:19 You have three children. 11:20 How many had been born then? 11:21 I think we had two at the time. 11:23 Two at the time, okay. 11:24 One, I had the epiphany, I think we had two. 11:25 Okay. 11:28 And then I was, I tell him like, it's impossible. 11:31 I cannot follow you. 11:33 If you want to be a servant of the Lord, 11:36 I cannot follow you because I know... 11:37 Go by yourself. 11:39 If you want to be a servant of the Lord, 11:41 that the Lord will do everything this can facilitate, 11:45 facilitate that, I have comfort, 11:47 because I have, I have my own set. 11:49 I have my own assistant. 11:51 I have my own hairstylist, 11:53 I have everything that woman's want. 11:56 I have everything I just sit, 11:57 and then you know, I just like... 11:59 Everything is done. Everything is done. 12:00 And I cannot imagine I need to be a sir, 12:03 I need to be a wife that working with the Lord. 12:06 I was like, no, no, no, no. 12:08 You choose a wrong person. 12:09 I said, and I'm like, "No, we need to go to that life." 12:14 I was like, "It's impossible." 12:15 I said, "God gave us this marriage, right, didn't He? 12:17 I said I like impossible, because I know that you raise, 12:21 you've been raised in this kind of method. 12:24 But me, I'm so different. 12:26 And I don't know why God wants me and you to be, 12:29 you know, to be together. 12:31 But if you choose this kind of life, 12:34 I think I cannot go with you. 12:36 I think we just end this life. 12:38 Because you know, we just end this marriage. 12:40 Because I just tell him, it's impossible women like me 12:45 to be the wife of the servant, you know. 12:48 And then I need to, I already... 12:50 You knew you'd have to be a servant 12:52 if you're the wife of a servant, right? 12:53 Yeah. 12:54 I was like, no, no, no, because I've been exposed 12:57 when I become a Seventh-day Adventist and a Christian, 13:01 and then I go to church, 13:03 I see all of the servant of the Lord, 13:05 I was like, wow, look at the way they dress. 13:08 Look at the way they live. 13:10 And that is so really far from what I'm understanding, 13:14 you know. 13:15 So that's why when 13:17 he get that kind of idea, 13:22 and I'm the one like, no, it's just not me. 13:24 Okay, so let me just pause here for a second. 13:27 So you guys, married five years, 13:31 you're getting the idea. 13:32 You want to go into mission. 13:34 You're studying, you are. 13:37 God is converting your heart, is becoming real and personal. 13:42 Now you are up against your wife saying, 13:45 "No way, Jose." 13:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13:48 So what... 13:50 I mean, it's one thing to understand 13:53 what God did for you. 13:55 It's one thing to really let it be personal. 13:59 But how did, what, how did you know 14:01 you wanted to go into mission work? 14:03 Why, it wasn't finding out something new. 14:06 I think it's rediscovering what God had already given us, 14:09 you know, we're born with this, 14:11 with the Holy Spirit teaching us, 14:14 redirecting us. 14:15 So if we go wrong direction, 14:17 so it was just like one of those turning points, 14:21 people ask me turning points, 14:22 I bet there's turning points everyday in our lives. 14:25 Absolutely. 14:26 It's whether you want to open your ears or not, 14:28 you know, your heart. 14:29 So I knew at the time, I think it was, 14:33 I was 34 already, 14:35 you know, and I knew it was a time to get serious, 14:39 whatever consequences. 14:41 But then oftentimes we think like, 14:43 okay, we got to make your family, 14:45 drag your family but I think it's so I knew 14:48 that it was going to involve me changing to become the person 14:52 that she could have confidence in. 14:55 I wasn't that kind of person, you know? 14:57 Okay. 14:58 So the challenge is actually me, right? 15:00 Other than just me forcing her. 15:01 So I think for the next two or three years, 15:03 I push myself to become somebody that, 15:05 you know, Lord helped me to become somebody that 15:07 she can be inspired by, you know. 15:11 So you learn to surrender control to the Lord 15:14 and let Him take over. 15:16 You knew that this would be a witness to your wife. 15:19 That's right. 15:20 Yes. 15:22 So how did God get your attention 15:25 when you knew that you prayed a big prayer, 15:28 I want you to just talk about that? 15:30 Because Ramon, Ramon doesn't know that I always pray 15:35 that there is something emptiness inside my heart, 15:38 you know also, because I know exactly, 15:42 I get to the point that this kind of money, 15:46 this comfort, but I missing something. 15:49 I know, there's, I don't know, 15:51 I've been keep on searching like, what is it? 15:54 Because, you know, my parents teach me 15:56 that money can buy you happiness, 15:58 I have money, I have everything that other people, 16:02 you know, that didn't have. 16:05 But yet, I still feel empty. 16:09 And then inside my heart, I was like, 16:11 you know, talking, talking, what is this, 16:13 you know, why like this? 16:15 And then I said, like, hey, I know that you are, you are, 16:19 I know, people call you that You are the Lord. 16:23 Can you help me? 16:24 Amen. 16:26 I guess I don't know what's going on. 16:27 And then, from that moment, you know, he bring my husband, 16:31 you know, I can see, I can see books through him. 16:36 You know, because, you know, 16:37 he's the one who always pushed me 16:39 that he bring all of the, the famous nor the famous... 16:43 Speakers. 16:46 Speakers to teach me about the end time. 16:49 I was like, no, that's not me. 16:51 To teach me anything, I was like, yes, that is not me. 16:55 But you know, God bring him and I can clear see that. 17:00 Because your husband's life 17:02 became a book of what God can do. 17:05 So you went somewhere out in the country, 17:07 and you were got to be among your people. 17:10 And you made a bold prayer. 17:12 Tell us about that? 17:14 And then there's some, 17:16 there's some even named FaithCamp came in Jakarta. 17:20 By Jesus For Asia. 17:21 By Jesus For Asia. 17:23 And then, I'm sorry, maybe I just let little bit a say 17:26 about the brand, I'm wearing the expensive brand, 17:29 you know, bag, diamond, and I have jewelry. 17:32 I have my assistant, you know, do everything for me, 17:35 I was sitting at the back, I just want to listen... 17:38 In this camp meeting. 17:39 In this camp meeting. 17:41 I just give us, give them the signal that, 17:43 you know, I don't like this kind of camp meeting, 17:46 but I don't. 17:48 But you know, because of my mother-in-law said 17:49 you need to go there. 17:51 I just want to make sure that, okay, 17:53 I just go here just because of her. 17:55 And then the story after story, 17:59 all of the story is really get me into the thought. 18:04 I was like, wow. 18:06 And then I see all of the speaker, 18:07 you know, the missionary speaker, 18:09 and then I start crying. 18:11 And then I start, I start asking like Lord, look at them. 18:14 I see from the bottom to the head. 18:17 There's nothing that, there's nothing expensive 18:20 what they wear. 18:21 Look at me. 18:23 I have everything. 18:24 But why they have the happiness in their face. 18:28 Lord, this is not fair, I said, 18:31 how You love them more than You love me, 18:34 I said inside my heart. 18:35 Why? 18:37 Because Lord, how You give them that kind of story, 18:39 but you never give me that kind of story. 18:42 And I'm crying and I'm crying and I said Lord, 18:46 I want that story at any cost. 18:48 That means what? 18:49 If you need to have everything this comfort, 18:53 and I need to replace... 18:55 Take it. 18:56 Take it and then you give me that story. 18:58 I am so ready at that moment. 19:01 I was like I am sorry that I want to give everything 19:04 and then three or three months after that, 19:08 he bring me to mission, I call that mission honeymoon. 19:13 We went to the smaller... 19:15 We went to Papua the mountain, 19:18 the jungle of Papua. 19:20 And I was like that is mind blowing 19:22 because I never see this kind of world, 19:27 you know, but I thank God 19:28 because God gives you opportunity to see the needs. 19:31 I'm crying because this is people come from the bush. 19:35 I was like wow, how do you enjoy your life? 19:38 Look at them, you know with that clothes, 19:40 you know everything I was like, wow. 19:42 And then from that when I see them, 19:45 I feel that I'm very useless as a human being. 19:48 I was like, wow, I use everything the money 19:50 that He give it to me for my own self. 19:53 And then I have the opportunity seven hours to walk with them, 19:57 you know through that jungle. 20:00 And when I walked seven hours with them, 20:03 I'm looking, you know, I look Flashback. 20:06 You know, I look at them. 20:08 No, they seem so happy. 20:10 And then I go to that mountain to the hill. 20:14 And I prayed to Lord here, I was crying. 20:16 I was like, Lord, wow, thank you, 20:19 you know, because I never see this kind of, you know, life. 20:24 And I say, Lord, if I go back to Jakarta, 20:27 which is to my city. 20:28 I know, person like me is going to be so hard to find you. 20:33 But you know, please remember that I really, really willing 20:36 to be Your servant. 20:37 Amen. 20:39 I don't know how and I don't know when. 20:40 But, Lord, if I go to Jakarta, please give me opportunity 20:45 to serve my people and my country. 20:47 Please give me Indonesia. 20:50 That's the prayer I want to hear. 20:52 I was like, Lord, I don't know. 20:55 But yeah, when I go back to Jakarta, and then, 20:59 you know, story after story, and here we are, 21:01 have the satellite the first broadcasting satellite 21:04 in the Muslim population. 21:06 You know, we give hope, God give them, 21:09 God give us hope to serve our people. 21:11 And then I just only that God, give her, 21:14 give Indonesia hope to see the message, 21:17 the message that brought me in. 21:21 So the arena of your life just expanded tremendously 21:25 because you're my people, your people. 21:28 Yes. 21:29 Wow. 21:31 So now, you know, I think of John Carter, 21:35 when he prayed, Lord, give me Russia 21:37 and He opened the doors, you prayed 21:39 the same kind of and that is an out of the box prayer. 21:43 That saying, God, I know all things are possible with You. 21:47 So you pray that and God is opening the doors. 21:50 Amen. 21:51 Tell us for people who don't know, 21:54 Indonesia is the largest Muslim population 21:59 in the world. 22:01 Where is Indonesia? 22:03 And tell us a little bit about it? 22:05 It's in Southeast Asia. 22:06 Okay. 22:08 It's around the equator. 22:09 All right. 22:10 So we're right around there by Malaysia and Philippines, 22:12 just south of them. 22:14 And then but north of Australia. 22:16 North of Australia, okay. 22:17 Yes. 22:18 I think, did you bring a video that we can... 22:20 Yes. 22:21 Yes, let's look at that video 22:23 because this will give you an idea 22:25 if you don't know what Indonesia is like. 22:29 Here is video. 22:30 Well, I know that equator means hot. 22:33 Yeah. 22:36 And here's Indonesia. 22:38 Right there, the size of Indonesia is about America, 22:42 the continent from Washington State to Maine. 22:46 Okay. 22:47 Of 17,000 islands, 17,500. 22:51 Eight. 22:52 Yeah, 508. 22:53 And there's 700 something language dialects. 22:58 And, but 90%, I think 85 at least are Muslims. 23:04 And it's not easy to just open up books 23:06 and teach gospel to Muslim because they, 23:10 they have their own system of belief, 23:12 which is completely different one that in what we believe. 23:16 So we try to package the gospel in practical terms and like, 23:20 you know, marriage, education, even history, prophecy, 23:25 because there are some similarities. 23:29 But yeah, with the satellite, we're getting telephone calls 23:31 from places we haven't even heard. 23:33 That's amazing. 23:34 Yeah. 23:36 So there's so many stories, 23:37 people are coming into the church, 23:38 people are asking for books, for lessons, 23:40 people asking for nurses, doctors, 23:45 and teachers, all kinds of request. 23:47 We cannot satisfy them all, but... 23:49 Did you start with the satellite ministry 23:51 or did you... 23:52 Give us the starting point of how did it start? 23:55 Yeah, it was that one camp meeting 23:58 that we had in 2011. 24:00 A challenge was made. 24:01 Indonesian, it's a television broadcast 24:03 of the three angels' messages. 24:05 Wow. 24:06 So who's willing to do it? 24:08 Well, how many people raise your hands? 24:10 Who's willing to pay for it? 24:11 While the other hand, like it is the... 24:15 But, you know, it took a long process, 24:18 you know, just we ended up to be the one 24:21 that's here all along from day one until now. 24:24 Wow. 24:25 Praise God. 24:27 And yeah... 24:28 It's been over 10 years. 24:30 Ten years and six months, yeah to be exact. 24:31 So you've got all of these dialects, 24:34 but there is one main dialect, that's Bahasa. 24:37 Indonesian. 24:39 Yeah, Bahasa Indonesia. 24:40 Now, so where do you get your programming and tell us 24:45 about you have to, if it isn't produced in house 24:48 then you have to translate? 24:50 We try to produce as much as we can, 24:52 but it's impossible. 24:53 We're just broadcasting, 24:54 we're uplinking the videos to the satellite, 24:58 and then it gets rebroadcast in the footprint 25:01 that is, that covers all over Indonesia. 25:04 It's as big as America, the continent. 25:06 So it's like feeding an elephant, 25:09 they're always hungry seemingly. 25:12 We invite different ministries, of course, to produce videos, 25:16 you know, and we broadcast what they produce. 25:20 We take from America also, we get permission to rebroadcast, 25:24 we write them email, and then we have the permission we, 25:27 but we have to subtitle or voice over, 25:30 there's a lot of work. 25:31 One hour of talk usually takes like 12 to 15 hours to produce. 25:35 So we need workers resources to accomplish this. 25:41 That's the magnitude of the task, 25:43 it's just unbelievable. 25:44 The barrier is not just only the subtitle, 25:47 but Indonesia is just not common with reading. 25:51 So that's why they just like to have the voice over 25:54 'cause they just sit there and listening, right? 25:57 Because when we put the subtitle like our viewers, 26:01 you know, they just like that, 26:02 you know, that's too fast and too small. 26:05 And for us it's very, like a double job. 26:08 We have something we need to, you know, replace out 26:11 or redo the program everything to anything. 26:14 And then yeah, the subtitle is... 26:18 Right now we produce about, let's say, 26:21 15 to 20% of the programs in house. 26:24 Okay. 26:25 But we keep it really, really simple. 26:27 We take a book, and we read and just repackage it 26:31 in just layman terms. 26:33 Amen. 26:35 If you would like, yeah, in the language 26:37 that they understand the practicality of it. 26:40 And... 26:41 But you are Indonesian so but if the majority are Muslim, 26:46 how do they accept you as Christians? 26:51 Well, honestly, because it's a Christian television, 26:54 we cannot cater 100%, for them to be accepting 26:58 what they see on television. 26:59 It's just, we, when they see on television, 27:04 within just a few seconds or a few minutes, 27:06 they will know oh, it's Christian. 27:09 Anything that has to do with Christian, 27:10 I think it comes from the west, 27:12 they think that belongs to the Christians. 27:14 We don't want to have anything to do with it. 27:17 But there are some Muslims who are really, really desiring 27:20 to seek something, you know, they sit down, 27:23 and then they will learn, but it's usually the serious ones 27:27 that are really requesting for further studies. 27:30 And we do have this, you know, there's young man, 27:33 29 years old, he lived in a house 27:35 that has a television on it, and then he calls in 27:38 and, and then he starts asking for books, 27:40 you know, we do send them books. 27:42 He asked for a Bible, I send him Bibles. 27:43 What do I read? 27:45 It's a good question. 27:46 Tell him read Matthew 5, 6, and 7. 27:49 He reads Matthew 5, 6 and 7. 27:51 Such a noble lesson I read from this, Matthew 5, 6 and 7. 27:56 This is actually speaking to my kalbu, 27:58 kalbu is like my spirit. 28:00 So with him, we have to keep it really, really simple. 28:03 Sure. 28:04 Yeah, we have people like that. 28:06 Yeah. 28:07 But now your title is Jesus for Indonesia 28:11 Satellite and Health. 28:13 Yes. 28:15 So is the health message a big part of your ministry? 28:19 Yeah, it's the opening words to the gospel, right, 28:22 as we believe in. 28:23 And we live in the village, 28:25 we took a step to live in the countryside 28:28 and the sort of the field is. 28:29 Where are you located? Where is this? 28:31 We are about two hours south of the capital city of Jakarta. 28:33 Okay. 28:34 But we're up in the mountains, so it's cooler. 28:37 And then the villagers around us there, they're poor, 28:41 they need like a practical gospel to be given to them 28:44 in terms of like, you know, service that we do. 28:46 Amen. 28:47 So we set up a clinic. 28:49 We do charities, we invite friends 28:51 who are wanting to do charities with them. 28:54 And the clinic I became the dentist for them. 28:57 I'm not a dentist, but they got no choice. 29:00 But you had a dentist that came and got trained you, right? 29:03 Yeah. 29:05 In the beginning there's like few dentists that took turns 29:07 and then I got trained myself to become a dentist 29:11 when American dentist came to Indonesia and had me 29:14 just with my hands work on the teeth 29:16 when he did extractions, fillings, 29:19 scaling, just basic stuff. 29:21 Maybe like a little bit about Indonesia 29:23 that Indonesia is a Muslim, big Muslim country. 29:26 And then it's just not easy for us to give them books 29:29 pray for them because you know, the idea of, 29:32 the idea when they see us is like this your blood 29:35 is ticket for me to go to heaven. 29:37 So you know you cannot teach, you cannot teach us 29:40 because my father side is a Muslim 29:42 so you know, I let a bit... 29:43 Dad's still a Muslim. 29:44 Yeah, dad's still a Muslims so I little bit understand, 29:46 you know about why they think about the Christian. 29:49 And then, so for us with the viewers 29:52 with this kind of a health message, 29:56 we with the viewers, we... 30:01 Viewer is like our family. 30:03 Yes, we treat them as families, yeah. 30:04 We treat them it's like a family. 30:06 Because, you know, they're very hard to understand that, 30:09 the books and everything, they always call us, like, 30:11 can you go here and we just visit their place, 30:14 we just stay in their house, 30:16 sleep with them a couple of days, 30:17 you know, like, because for us, 30:20 we become the books for them, you know? 30:22 Just as God use your husband's life as a book for you. 30:26 Exactly. 30:27 And then this health message also is become like 30:29 the opening door for us in our villages, 30:32 because the villages is, is all Muslim. 30:35 It's just only me and my husband is a Christian, 30:38 and then how they love us, you know, like, 30:40 through this come health message, 30:42 you know, we give them everything's free, 30:44 we serve them, 30:45 and then we already in their place is already 11 years. 30:51 So with this Muslim, we cannot just 30:54 only have a short time, we have to give them 30:57 a long time for them to understand. 30:59 Because if we just give them a short time, 31:02 you know, they know exactly you want to be my friend 31:06 that you want to Christianize us, 31:08 you know, they need to understand that no, 31:10 we don't want to Christianize you, 31:13 but we here to give you a different side of life, 31:16 you know that is God. 31:18 We want to give you Jesus. 31:19 You know, we just want to give you Jesus, 31:22 we just want to give you the love of Jesus, 31:24 the compassion of Jesus. 31:26 So, through this 11 years, they see that, wow, 31:30 this family is our family. 31:32 Now they believe on us. 31:33 Amen. 31:35 We are no threats. 31:36 Yes, we're not threats. 31:38 Praise God. 31:39 Now your three children are how old? 31:40 They're 19, 16 and 12. 31:42 And they're very involved in this ministry. 31:45 Tell us about it? 31:47 Well, they grew up in the countryside, 31:48 they grew up in the mission in their life. 31:52 And with the villagers, they grew up seeing the kids there. 31:57 They understand the need that they need to be taken away 32:00 from smoking and drugs and be given, 32:03 like a lifestyle that is healthy and with the purpose, 32:07 because they have no money. 32:08 So that side you know, I would say for some reason 32:10 it surprises me smoking and drugs in a Muslim country, 32:14 but it is there as well. 32:15 Oh, yeah, smoking is big. 32:16 Really. 32:18 Drinking not so much they don't drink, 32:21 but, yeah, they like their cigarettes. 32:24 When you see them when they're 12, 13 they start smoking. 32:28 And then when we see this, we probably, we can understand 32:31 that they have like no other means of getting themselves 32:35 busy with, so they just hang out, 32:37 they make troubles, you know? 32:40 So my children, my two boys, they started running, 32:44 you know, they become runners, 32:46 kind of like semiprofessionally also. 32:49 They're runners with mission, 32:52 they want to introduce the healthy lifestyle that we have. 32:55 And, of course, they are also challenged, 32:56 whether the diet that we choose is able to be used 32:59 for extreme regimes of sport. 33:02 So what they desire is to scout this young talents 33:05 from the village and give them, introduce them, 33:07 you know, there's a good life, 33:09 you know, if you live a healthy life, 33:11 if you want to become athletes, let's become athletes. 33:13 Let me train you, let us train you. 33:15 So when you said that lifestyle 33:17 there you are vegetarian plant-based. 33:20 Yes, plant-based, yeah. 33:22 And so the people there are like... 33:24 Yeah, the skeptics, of course. 33:26 There's skeptics, whether you could be an athlete, 33:28 you know what I mean. 33:29 Yeah, but they have proven themselves that... 33:31 Because with the Muslim, they are very structured, right, 33:34 you know, they have a fast thing, like, once in the year. 33:36 Yes. 33:37 For a month, yeah. 33:39 Yeah, for a month. 33:40 And then when they see our lifestyle for them, 33:43 Wow, that is your fasting, you know, you're not like us, 33:46 we just have one month for every year, 33:49 but you, you are every day. 33:52 So, they call us santri. 33:54 Santri is a devout Muslim. 33:57 So look at your choices. 33:59 So that's why you know, kids needs to be, you know, exposed. 34:02 So the Muslim kids also you know, 34:04 see this kind of structure come from us. 34:08 I became, I was curious you know, how to fix my life 34:11 because, you know, I was a heavy smoker too. 34:13 I was a drinker, my wife, she was suicidal 34:17 when it comes to drugs and cigarettes and drinking. 34:22 So, along the way when we tried to fix ourselves, 34:25 I was curious about this nutrition thing. 34:27 So I took on nutrition courses. 34:30 I wanted to become nutritionist and then from there, 34:33 we learn some knowledge we have new start, 34:36 you know, and then we got called 34:40 by different groups of people to start sharing 34:43 the concept of new start, like their mind blown. 34:45 Wow, they're so smart. 34:48 And then one community after another, 34:51 it led us back to the society 34:54 where we want once belonged, you know. 34:56 This is like years after we left them, 34:58 you know, I kind of vowed not to wanna associate 35:01 myself with them anymore 35:02 because I want to have a mission life, 35:04 but Lord actually reminded me 35:07 you have a social responsibility. 35:08 Those are your friends, they are unreached in different way, 35:12 you know, there's people from the high level of society, 35:14 nobody wants to... 35:16 Yeah. 35:17 Well, some Christians like to hang out with them, 35:19 because we think they are going to support our, 35:22 you know, financially but no, the Lord reminded me of like, 35:26 there's so many souls to be reached there. 35:29 So with these talks of nutrition 35:32 and encouraging people to live a healthy life, 35:34 we're actually brought to them once again, 35:38 you know, because they want to become healthy. 35:41 And then we started running with them, 35:43 we started exercising and cycling with them. 35:45 And then Shandy was asked to be asked to be a leader 35:49 in the cycling community that that's comprised of people 35:53 from our previous life. 35:54 And then this time around, okay, 35:56 it's good to see you all again here. 35:57 Well, where you been all these years? 35:59 Wow. 36:00 We become missionaries. 36:02 But okay, so let's cycle with us. 36:03 We're cycling and then through cycling, 36:05 we're reconnecting, you know, friendships. 36:07 Amen. 36:08 And then they're seeing the values that we had 36:10 all these years missing from their lives, 36:12 and then they were like, wow. 36:14 It's interesting your choices, 36:15 you know, you're living in the countryside, 36:17 you're living a healthy life, 36:18 you know, how you educate your children, your mission. 36:20 They call it the life of service, humanitarian, 36:25 you know, so spend marriage, look at you, 36:30 your marriage restored, and you look at many of them, 36:33 marriage is falling apart, they have no relationship. 36:36 So those are the values that we introduced to them 36:39 this time around. 36:40 Yes. 36:41 So we bring them to our lives, to the countryside, 36:45 we also want to have kind of like center of influence. 36:48 Yes, you know, like through this pandemic 2020, right? 36:53 Now, they just like say, like this. 36:56 Now, we know why you choose this kind of life. 36:59 There is something that you know that we don't know, 37:03 because we're just curious, they said, 37:05 you know, you are very modern person. 37:08 We know who you are, 37:10 and then they just like why we want you to lead us 37:13 because we need to be lead with like people like you, 37:16 your choices. 37:17 But you know how you educate your kids about you know, 37:22 your house in the countryside, 37:24 everything you know about the humanitarian... 37:25 Mission life. 37:27 A mission life and then through this pandemic, 37:28 they just like, "Wow, you are so ready with this crisis." 37:33 I was like, "What ready? I'm not ready with anything." 37:35 "No, you are so ready. 37:37 Now we know why you choose this life, 37:40 because you know, 37:41 there is something gonna happen." 37:44 There's a wisdom that you have. 37:45 This is not Christian. 37:47 They said, "There's a wisdom that you have, 37:50 you know, like, your gut telling you to do something 37:53 because you know, your gut knows exactly 37:55 what's gonna happen in this world." 37:56 I was like, wow. 37:58 And then now they just like, they're asking books. 38:00 They're asking, like, what should we do? 38:01 Praise the Lord. 38:03 Enlightenment. 38:04 They're just like Shandy. 38:05 If something happened in the news, they call us. 38:07 Do you know what's going to happen? 38:08 Do you see the news, can... 38:10 And then sometimes they just like, make it fun. 38:13 They just like if something happened 38:14 with Shandy because they are. 38:16 They are cycling, right? 38:17 If something happened in us in the city, 38:19 we know exactly where to go. 38:20 We just take our bikes, we just go run away 38:22 in the mountain with Shandy, because Shandy and Ramon, 38:25 they can take care of us. 38:26 I was like, wow. 38:28 Yeah. 38:29 It sounds like somebody else probably about 12-15 years ago. 38:32 Yes. 38:34 You know? 38:35 And so, but the Lord has that way. 38:39 I was watching a program a little bit earlier talking 38:42 about His providential power. 38:45 And proverbs means being able to future 38:49 see something being providential. 38:53 And so you just don't know what our responsibility 38:57 is to keep on keeping on. 39:00 And then and things just fall into place, like who would have 39:03 ever thought that you'd make changes? 39:05 That's right. 39:07 But yet, here you are. 39:08 And now you're a role model, a role model. 39:11 And so this is gonna be what's gonna be interesting 39:15 five years from now, sit down here and say, 39:18 hey, what's the update? 39:20 You'll never guess. 39:22 Yeah. 39:23 Absolutely. 39:24 We now have friends who frequently come visit us 39:27 and several are actually adopting our life choices, 39:32 buying lots of land in the countryside and start growing, 39:37 simplifying their life choices, 39:39 simplifying their children education, 39:42 going back to the home based education, 39:44 practicality of education. 39:47 And now we're seeing them, that's why we invite them 39:49 to come to our place and we want to make our place like, 39:52 you know, a home for them. 39:54 You know, we have to be willing to make investment in time. 39:58 I've been telling people especially Christians, 40:00 we have to lend our ears sometimes 40:01 more than we lend our mouth. 40:03 We like to teach before we listen to their problem, 40:06 that we're teaching the wrong things 40:07 that they're not getting through them, you know? 40:10 When we sit down, we invest time, we'll sit down, 40:13 we're cycling three times a week, 40:14 we cycle one hour each time, 40:16 but we could sit down two three hours talking, 40:20 they call it copyright, for us non copyright, but we write. 40:25 We meet two, three times, we develop strong relationships, 40:28 and we introduce them the values that we have. 40:30 And then they were like, wow, 40:32 I think this is going to be the solution 40:33 why I see your family solid. 40:35 Now tell us more. 40:37 And then yeah, if we're asking for wisdom from the Lord, 40:40 if it's time to give books, then we give books. 40:43 They understand in the spirit, also, 40:45 something is about to happen in this world. 40:47 They're expecting like, the arrival 40:50 or the Imam Mahdi at some point in the future. 40:53 That's where we come in to introduce a little bit 40:55 about prophecy of who we are, who Jesus is. 40:58 I think that everybody is asking the same question. 41:01 Something's going on. 41:02 Yeah. 41:04 And we just need to, mean, you're saying, 41:06 to me, you're a visionary. 41:08 You had an ability to look forward 41:09 and you're walking the talk. 41:11 Yeah. 41:12 Praise the Lord. 41:14 And with your influence, a center of influence, wow, 41:16 you know, this is beginning to take shape. 41:18 It's exciting. 41:19 Yeah. 41:21 And I know, I know that it takes a lot to keep 41:24 all of a lot of juggling going on. 41:27 Yeah. 41:28 So tell us more the ministry, you've got all of this, 41:32 the voiceovers, the subtitles, 41:35 you're trying to produce your own programs. 41:39 How large is your team? 41:41 What do you need? 41:42 What? 41:43 I know some of you are watching this program right now 41:47 and you may know, Bahasa. 41:49 You may be able to volunteer. 41:52 Can you use people if they're not in Indonesia? 41:55 Can you still use someone? 41:57 Or do they need to be there? 41:58 Tell us what you need? 42:00 Yeah, for to be involved directly with the world, 42:02 you have to be able to speak our language. 42:05 Otherwise, you cannot produce anything, you know. 42:08 And yeah, we have translators, 42:11 those people who speak the language living here, 42:13 they can start translating videos 42:15 that are given copyrights to, to broadcast. 42:19 But they don't have to move to Indonesia. 42:21 They can do it right here. 42:22 They can do it here. 42:23 Okay. 42:25 So we do that, we invite them, 42:26 but to get involved with the center of influence 42:28 to teach them, to coach them. 42:29 Yeah, they have to know a little bit of language. 42:32 But you know, some people ask, like, oh, 42:35 what kind of missionary that you need, 42:36 if we have the center of influence, 42:38 we need a runner missionary. 42:40 Yeah. 42:41 We need a cycling missionary. 42:43 Because we do and who do that with them, 42:45 you know, because so that's why we want to open like, 42:48 because they like to go to our place. 42:50 They just like, they call this is like heaven on earth, 42:52 they say it like. 42:53 We like to spend time with you guys. 42:55 So that's why I call people if you want to work 42:57 in the mission field, you can be a runner, 43:00 you can be a cyclist, you can be anything. 43:03 Anything that God wants. 43:04 Yeah, we have like hiking programs, you have like a, 43:06 there's a waterfall close to us there is, 43:08 we can take them to walk into nature, can spend a day or two. 43:12 And then we give them lecture on health. 43:14 And then lecture on like, 43:16 you know, emotions and power of minds 43:18 and things like that, we have so many materials. 43:21 And then when you have people like I mean, 43:24 maybe you have a friend that knew you before, 43:27 when you were a high maintenance woman, 43:30 let's say it that way. 43:32 And they look at you now. 43:35 But they see the joy on your face. 43:37 I mean, you both just, you radiate the love of Jesus. 43:41 So when you're introducing them, whether you're cycling, 43:45 or you're bringing them to your home, 43:47 and they see the peace, they see the joy. 43:50 Have you had anybody just ask you about Jesus 43:53 or what's going on? 43:55 Yeah, there's a lot of people ask about Jesus 43:57 through us, you know? 43:59 So that's why we want to open the center of influence, 44:02 because we want them to stay in our house. 44:05 And then because what they did is what they just sit down 44:08 in our house, they see the activity inside our house. 44:12 They asking, did you know exactly 44:14 why we want to open the center of influence? 44:16 Because they do want to ask us. 44:19 Can you open center of influence for us? Can we... 44:22 Place for us to stay for a few days. 44:23 Can we stay here, bring our kids, bring our family, 44:26 you know, to spend time with you... 44:29 Have my kids staying with your kids. 44:30 And then not just only that they're the one... 44:33 There is a lot of people following me 44:35 and then, you know, like, call me, 44:38 I even don't know them, but they heard the story 44:41 about me and my husband through the other person. 44:43 They just like wow, and then this is a lot of Muslim people. 44:47 They just like, well, are really amazed what you did 44:50 you know, but and then especially we know who are you 44:53 before you know, you are very high maintenance person. 44:56 But now you know you have a compassion to serve people, 45:00 especially my people that they said, you guess 45:03 you know, that is a Muslim people. 45:05 Seems to me like it's quite obvious 45:06 that you have purpose in your life 45:09 or perhaps before something else was controlling you, 45:12 you know, you were just trying to get through the day. 45:15 But now you have a reason to get up in the morning. 45:18 People are calling, let's go cycling. 45:21 Yeah, yeah. 45:22 I'm tired. But you get up and you go cycling. 45:24 Yeah. 45:26 Let me ask this question without being too personal. 45:29 I hope if I can frame it in my mind. 45:31 You spend a lot of money starting this ministry 45:35 and getting the satellite, 45:37 getting everything ready for that. 45:39 How much does it cost you to broadcast per hour? 45:44 I mean, when you go up to the satellite, 45:46 what, do you need funding 45:51 to help with the broadcast? 45:53 Because I know you've spent a good deal of money already. 45:56 Yeah. 45:57 Our broadcast costs for us to broadcast 46:01 while the satellite for us to be in the satellite 46:03 and running the ministry right now the level where we are, 46:07 we'd like to grow, of course, you know? 46:09 We like to invest in better equipment and better staffing, 46:13 you know? 46:15 But right now, it's $7,000 for us to run 46:18 the whole ministry only to broadcast. 46:22 And then that's, that's not a lot. 46:23 We started with like $15,000. 46:25 And then we got it down to $7,000, just because of the, 46:28 you know, the different technology. 46:30 That $7,000 of what? 46:32 That's for us to be on the satellite 24/7 days. 46:34 That's per month? 46:36 Yeah, per month. 46:37 Okay. 46:39 Yeah, it's because so we're not commercial television. 46:43 So we reduce the bandwidth of the broadcast, 46:49 so it doesn't cost that much. 46:50 So we're broadcasting at the minimum level, 46:52 minimum production level, but our television viewers 46:55 in Indonesia are not like American television viewers, 46:57 you know, they have less demand 46:59 and like qualities and whatever. 47:01 So, yea, right now, we're no. 47:04 So you have a vision of, you want to expand, 47:07 you want to open a center of influence, 47:10 you want to expand the coverage. 47:15 When you think of where you were, 47:19 where you are now. 47:22 Would you ever go back? 47:25 No. 47:26 No? 47:28 I don't know. 47:29 You know, for me, I have opportunity to work with God, 47:31 that is something that I cannot imagine in my life 47:34 that God wants to use a person like me. 47:38 If I can turn back the time, 47:40 I don't want to go back to that kind of life 47:42 before because now I'm living with the life 47:45 that the money cannot buy. 47:47 Before I'm living with the life that money, 47:49 money said the money can buy happiness. 47:52 But you know, I was there. 47:55 And I know, no, the money cannot buy happiness. 47:58 So you know, God find people like me to serve Him. 48:02 Now very have a full confidence 48:05 that does only God can give you the real happiness. 48:07 Amen. 48:09 And you're reaching into your ministry. 48:12 And I do know because I've got several friends 48:15 who are ministering in the Muslim nations 48:17 in our countries. 48:19 And Muslims are very, culturally they are very, 48:24 they appreciate hospitality. 48:28 They won't trust somebody that just comes in 48:31 and you can't be a hit and run evangelist 48:34 in a Muslim nation, which you are reaching, 48:38 because you're on satellite places that the doors 48:42 would never get open to you without the television. 48:46 That's just amazing. 48:47 I think, I think that Ramon hit it on the head, 48:51 you've got to think long term here. 48:53 Yes. 48:54 And that's what you're saying. 48:55 I mean, eventually, 48:59 the more mature the tree gets, 49:02 the more fruit it normally produces. 49:05 So as time goes by, 49:07 you're going to continue to produce more fruit. 49:10 Praise the Lord. 49:12 I'm sitting here thinking, wow, 49:13 you've got your friends that can afford it. 49:15 They want to buy this land out here and everything. 49:18 So that's, boy, what an asset that is. 49:21 Maybe we can cooperate with each other. 49:23 Or maybe we can start cycling here at point A, 49:27 because you're over here at point B and that's a, 49:30 that's a, that would be a goal to go to. 49:32 So I mean, I just, mean, we do believe 49:36 that we're living in the last days, we do believe, 49:38 you know, in the Spirit of Prophecy, 49:40 we do believe that the latter rain's going to fall. 49:43 So I mean, y'all just need to be prepared. 49:46 But today $7,000 a month. 49:49 I used to have a real good friend, 49:51 or he still a good friend, you know, he was in oil business, 49:54 mortgage was $10,000 a month. 49:56 Oil dropped nearly to nothing. 49:59 He still pays $10,000 a month. 50:02 And I remember he says, 50:03 JD I didn't know 30 days could go by so fast. 50:07 That's a hungry elephant. 50:09 And you know, it would be nice. 50:11 It would be nice to have some people that would help you, 50:15 you know. 50:16 All right. 50:18 So what we want to do, because I know 50:19 that you have invested almost all of your funds already 50:23 in the ministry and or have. 50:26 And what we want to do is give those of you at home, 50:31 you're probably familiar with Jesus For Asia, 50:34 Jon and Natalie Wood. 50:36 It's a beautiful ministry. 50:38 But when you think of Indonesia, 50:40 which is so hard to reach, 50:42 because it has to be in their language, 50:46 and you're reaching out to Muslims. 50:48 If you would like to be a missionary, 50:53 if you would like to join them, or maybe do some translation, 50:58 or just support this work. 51:00 Here's the address role on how you can get in touch 51:04 with Ramon and Shandy. 51:07 If you would like to contact 51:09 or know more about Jesus For Asia, 51:11 you can write to them at PO Box 1221 51:14 Collegedale, Tennessee 37315. 51:18 You can also call them at (423) 413-7321. 51:24 That's (423) 413-7321. 51:29 You can also email them at info@jesus4asia.org 51:33 That's info@jesus4asia.org 51:37 or visit their website at jesus4asia.org/indonesia 51:42 That's jesus4asia.org/indonesia |
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