As you're well aware,
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we're living in
unprecedented times.
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Join us now for
Today special program.
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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I'm Shelley Quinn.
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I'm JD Quinn.
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And we're so glad
that you're joining us.
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Romans 10:15, Paul says, "How
beautiful are the feet of those
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who preach the good
news, those," he says,
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"who bring glad
tidings of good things."
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And we have a couple here
today that have beautiful feet.
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Amen. Amen.
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And we want to go ahead
and introduce them right now.
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Joining us all
the way from Indonesia
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are Ramon Tengkano, did
I say that right, Ramon?
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Yes. Okay, good.
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You are the
director of Jesus For Asia,
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Indonesia Satellite and Health.
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Yes, I am. That's a mouthful.
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And then your
lovely wife, Shandy.
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Shandy, we are so
glad you're the co-director
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for Jesus For Asia,
Indonesia Satellite and Health.
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And we are just we
want to welcome you.
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This is their
first time to 3ABN.
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And I'm just going to say this.
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They are native Indonesian.
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English is not
their first language,
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but they're
doing a wonderful job.
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So we're very pleased
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and have an
exciting interview of what,
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how God took them
from a life of materialism
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into a life of service.
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Amen.
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How God changed their hearts,
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and restored their marriage
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and gave their life true purpose
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and filled the void
that was in their heart.
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They have an exciting testimony
and an exciting ministry.
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Why don't we, we
have special music.
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With our special
music, we love our music.
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And we have Paulo
Torres and he's a violinist
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and we're going to
be holy, holy, holy.
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That's just
absolutely amazing to me
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how you can take an instrument
and make it sound that good.
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Someday you're
going to get to do that
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when you get to heaven.
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Oh, I hope so. I hope so.
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Well, if you are
joining us just a little late,
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our special guests
are Ramon and Shandy.
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Let me say this again, Tengkano.
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And they are from Indonesia.
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And they've got the
most exciting testimony
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of what Jesus has
done in their lives.
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So let us start with that.
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Ramon, would you tell us
about your growing up years?
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Did you grow up
in a Christian home?
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Well, yeah, I grew
up in a Christian home
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with a Christian culture.
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You know, did all the
Christian young people would do.
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Was that a
Seventh-day Adventist?
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Yes, it was.
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Okay. I was a
third generation...
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I'm a third
generation Adventist.
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Okay.
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But you know, it was nothing
but just a routine with me.
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Sure.
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And I think I was in early 20
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something I kind
of left the church.
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Okay.
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My body would go
to church sometimes,
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but never in my heart.
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I understood I had the grasp,
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understanding what it
really meant to be Christian.
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Yeah.
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So I was just
pursuing everything else
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that the world is going after.
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So you know, my daddy told me,
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yeah, Jesus is coming but you
know, go make your money, son,
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that kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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So I went to
college, I did everything.
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It was the only thing I
was after is just money,
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how to get rich,
how to get everything
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because I thought money
was gonna solve everything.
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Money was gonna make me happy.
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And I had a successful business.
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And then I was,
I remember going...
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Very successful business.
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Yeah.
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You know, I have to
just say one thing, Ramon.
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It's very rare
that someone says,
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we had all the money we needed
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or all the money we wanted.
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But that is a comment that
Ramon made is we had it all.
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And so you really
were very successful.
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Yeah.
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Well, there's a
higher mountain behind higher
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than the tallest
mountains in a way.
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Yeah.
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But I think to me,
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I was
successful in my own terms.
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I remember just finishing
college there as a young man,
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challenging me.
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Who's gonna get the first
million dollar in the bank?
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Yeah.
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All right, let's race to
the first million dollar.
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That kind of drove
me for many, many years
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because I didn't like this guy.
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I had to prove him that
I'm going to get there first
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before he did.
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So actually, I
did yeah, I was 28,
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I looked at my bank account.
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I had all houses, I had
cars everything paid for
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and then I few
millions in my bank,
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I'm gonna, oh, I'm
gonna call this guy.
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Yeah.
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Just to prove that I'm winning.
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Amen.
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What was going on in your heart?
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But you know, the
Bible says whatever is born
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by the flesh is flesh,
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whatever is born by
the spirit of spirit.
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If you're comfortable in flesh,
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you're not comfortable in spirit
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because the two are always
opposing each other, right?
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I think at that
level, that kind of lie.
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I think many Christians, you
know, if you're happy in flesh,
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you're searching in spirit,
you're starving in spirit.
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I think I was the kind of person
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that wanted to do
something about it,
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even though not many people
are willing to do anything
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about it.
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Because they know by
Christian definition,
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by Bible definition,
this is all temporary.
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This is all going
to go at some point.
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I thought to myself, I
might as well start practicing
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to do this voluntarily.
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I didn't know what that meant.
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I was just searching the
Lord, I went back to the books.
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At the time I was,
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we were already married
like five years, I think.
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But my wife didn't
buy it in the beginning,
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even though we got
married in Christian family.
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Shandy grew up
with a Muslim father.
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But I told her, you
know, in the back of my mind,
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I know something we
have to do something
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because we're Christians,
we believe in the Bible.
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We believe in Jesus.
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We believe in the prophecy.
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We believe all these
things are all temporary
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and then she said
hmm, she didn't buy it.
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You found me, we
met in the dark world,
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now you want to
bring me to something
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that is
completely foreign to me.
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I'm not going there with you.
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Yes.
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Because I was...
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How did you grow
up? Tell us about that?
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Because you know, I was,
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I grown up in a
non-godly family.
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Okay.
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And then my parents
always teach me that,
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you know, the
one that the world,
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you know, if you
want to have happiness,
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you know, you
better have a lot of money.
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So you know,
from, you know, his,
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I'm grown up with
that kind of value.
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So I chasing money,
I chasing everything,
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you know, because that
is already put in my mind.
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And then here we are,
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my husband's wants
to be a missionary.
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And then he said, He tell like,
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"Shandy, life is not like that."
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I was like, "No way."
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You know the life.
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Now let me ask you.
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Did you already have, you've
been married five years to him?
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Yes.
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You have three children.
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How many had been born then?
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I think we had two at the time.
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Two at the time, okay.
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One, I had the
epiphany, I think we had two.
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Okay.
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And then I was, I tell
him like, it's impossible.
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I cannot follow you.
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If you want to be a
servant of the Lord,
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I cannot follow
you because I know...
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Go by yourself.
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If you want to be a
servant of the Lord,
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that the Lord will do
everything this can facilitate,
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facilitate that, I have comfort,
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because I have,
I have my own set.
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I have my own assistant.
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I have my own hairstylist,
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I have everything
that woman's want.
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I have everything I just sit,
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and then you
know, I just like...
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Everything is
done. Everything is done.
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And I cannot
imagine I need to be a sir,
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I need to be a wife
that working with the Lord.
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I was like, no, no, no, no.
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You choose a wrong person.
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I said, and I'm like, "No,
we need to go to that life."
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I was like, "It's impossible."
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I said, "God gave us this
marriage, right, didn't He?
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I said I like impossible,
because I know that you raise,
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you've been raised
in this kind of method.
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But me, I'm so different.
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And I don't know why
God wants me and you to be,
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you know, to be together.
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But if you choose
this kind of life,
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I think I cannot go with you.
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I think we just end this life.
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Because you know, we
just end this marriage.
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Because I just tell him,
it's impossible women like me
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to be the wife of
the servant, you know.
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And then I need to, I already...
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You knew you'd
have to be a servant
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if you're the wife
of a servant, right?
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Yeah.
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I was like, no, no, no,
because I've been exposed
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when I become a Seventh-day
Adventist and a Christian,
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and then I go to church,
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I see all of the
servant of the Lord,
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I was like, wow, look
at the way they dress.
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Look at the way they live.
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And that is so really far
from what I'm understanding,
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you know.
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So that's why when
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he get that kind of idea,
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and I'm the one
like, no, it's just not me.
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Okay, so let me just
pause here for a second.
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So you guys, married five years,
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you're getting the idea.
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You want to go into mission.
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You're studying, you are.
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God is converting your heart,
is becoming real and personal.
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Now you are up
against your wife saying,
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"No way, Jose."
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So what...
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I mean, it's one
thing to understand
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what God did for you.
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It's one thing to
really let it be personal.
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But how did,
what, how did you know
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you wanted to go
into mission work?
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Why, it wasn't
finding out something new.
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I think it's rediscovering
what God had already given us,
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you know, we're born with this,
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with the Holy
Spirit teaching us,
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redirecting us.
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So if we go wrong direction,
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so it was just like one
of those turning points,
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people ask me turning points,
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I bet there's turning
points everyday in our lives.
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Absolutely.
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It's whether you want
to open your ears or not,
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you know, your heart.
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So I knew at the
time, I think it was,
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I was 34 already,
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you know, and I knew it
was a time to get serious,
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whatever consequences.
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But then
oftentimes we think like,
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okay, we got to
make your family,
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drag your family but
I think it's so I knew
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that it was going to involve
me changing to become the person
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that she could
have confidence in.
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I wasn't that kind
of person, you know?
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Okay.
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So the challenge
is actually me, right?
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Other than just me forcing her.
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So I think for the
next two or three years,
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I push myself to
become somebody that,
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you know, Lord helped
me to become somebody that
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she can be
inspired by, you know.
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So you learn to
surrender control to the Lord
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and let Him take over.
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You knew that this would
be a witness to your wife.
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That's right.
00:15:19.48\00:15:20.82
Yes.
00:15:20.85\00:15:22.18
So how did God
get your attention
00:15:22.22\00:15:24.99
when you knew that
you prayed a big prayer,
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I want you to
just talk about that?
00:15:28.59\00:15:30.23
Because Ramon, Ramon
doesn't know that I always pray
00:15:30.26\00:15:35.23
that there is something
emptiness inside my heart,
00:15:35.26\00:15:37.97
you know also,
because I know exactly,
00:15:38.00\00:15:42.50
I get to the point
that this kind of money,
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this comfort, but
I missing something.
00:15:46.61\00:15:49.78
I know, there's, I don't know,
00:15:49.81\00:15:51.25
I've been keep on
searching like, what is it?
00:15:51.28\00:15:54.78
Because, you know,
my parents teach me
00:15:54.82\00:15:56.28
that money can
buy you happiness,
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I have money, I have
everything that other people,
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you know, that didn't have.
00:16:02.89\00:16:05.33
But yet, I still feel empty.
00:16:05.36\00:16:09.26
And then inside
my heart, I was like,
00:16:09.30\00:16:10.97
you know, talking,
talking, what is this,
00:16:11.00\00:16:13.40
you know, why like this?
00:16:13.44\00:16:15.80
And then I said, like, hey,
I know that you are, you are,
00:16:15.84\00:16:19.77
I know, people call
you that You are the Lord.
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Can you help me?
00:16:23.48\00:16:24.81
Amen.
00:16:24.85\00:16:26.18
I guess I don't
know what's going on.
00:16:26.21\00:16:27.72
And then, from that moment,
you know, he bring my husband,
00:16:27.75\00:16:31.95
you know, I can see, I
can see books through him.
00:16:31.99\00:16:36.19
You know, because, you know,
00:16:36.22\00:16:37.56
he's the one
who always pushed me
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that he bring all of the,
the famous nor the famous...
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Speakers.
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Speakers to teach
me about the end time.
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I was like, no, that's not me.
00:16:49.80\00:16:51.61
To teach me anything, I
was like, yes, that is not me.
00:16:51.64\00:16:55.94
But you know, God bring
him and I can clear see that.
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Because your husband's life
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became a book
of what God can do.
00:17:02.32\00:17:05.12
So you went
somewhere out in the country,
00:17:05.15\00:17:07.72
and you were got to
be among your people.
00:17:07.76\00:17:10.16
And you made a bold prayer.
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Tell us about that?
00:17:12.73\00:17:14.26
And then there's some,
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there's some even named
FaithCamp came in Jakarta.
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By Jesus For Asia.
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By Jesus For Asia.
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And then, I'm sorry, maybe
I just let little bit a say
00:17:23.34\00:17:26.57
about the brand, I'm
wearing the expensive brand,
00:17:26.61\00:17:29.58
you know, bag,
diamond, and I have jewelry.
00:17:29.61\00:17:32.51
I have my assistant, you
know, do everything for me,
00:17:32.55\00:17:35.38
I was sitting at the
back, I just want to listen...
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In this camp meeting.
00:17:38.29\00:17:39.62
In this camp meeting.
00:17:39.65\00:17:40.99
I just give us, give
them the signal that,
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you know, I don't like
this kind of camp meeting,
00:17:43.66\00:17:46.59
but I don't.
00:17:46.63\00:17:47.96
But you know, because
of my mother-in-law said
00:17:48.00\00:17:49.90
you need to go there.
00:17:49.93\00:17:51.27
I just want to
make sure that, okay,
00:17:51.30\00:17:53.17
I just go here
just because of her.
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And then the story after story,
00:17:55.74\00:17:59.84
all of the story is
really get me into the thought.
00:17:59.87\00:18:04.01
I was like, wow.
00:18:04.05\00:18:06.01
And then I see
all of the speaker,
00:18:06.05\00:18:07.68
you know, the
missionary speaker,
00:18:07.72\00:18:09.45
and then I start crying.
00:18:09.48\00:18:11.55
And then I start, I start
asking like Lord, look at them.
00:18:11.59\00:18:14.79
I see from the
bottom to the head.
00:18:14.82\00:18:17.59
There's nothing that,
there's nothing expensive
00:18:17.63\00:18:20.43
what they wear.
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Look at me.
00:18:21.83\00:18:23.16
I have everything.
00:18:23.20\00:18:24.73
But why they have the
happiness in their face.
00:18:24.77\00:18:28.47
Lord, this is not fair, I said,
00:18:28.50\00:18:31.87
how You love them
more than You love me,
00:18:31.91\00:18:34.48
I said inside my heart.
00:18:34.51\00:18:35.84
Why?
00:18:35.88\00:18:37.21
Because Lord, how You
give them that kind of story,
00:18:37.25\00:18:39.55
but you never give
me that kind of story.
00:18:39.58\00:18:42.92
And I'm crying and I'm
crying and I said Lord,
00:18:42.95\00:18:46.15
I want that story at any cost.
00:18:46.19\00:18:48.59
That means what?
00:18:48.62\00:18:49.96
If you need to have
everything this comfort,
00:18:49.99\00:18:53.56
and I need to replace...
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Take it.
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Take it and then
you give me that story.
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I am so ready at that moment.
00:18:58.80\00:19:00.97
I was like I am sorry
that I want to give everything
00:19:01.00\00:19:04.47
and then three or
three months after that,
00:19:04.51\00:19:08.68
he bring me to mission, I
call that mission honeymoon.
00:19:08.71\00:19:13.52
We went to the smaller...
00:19:13.55\00:19:15.95
We went to Papua the mountain,
00:19:15.98\00:19:18.52
the jungle of Papua.
00:19:18.55\00:19:20.42
And I was like
that is mind blowing
00:19:20.46\00:19:22.79
because I never
see this kind of world,
00:19:22.82\00:19:27.23
you know, but I thank God
00:19:27.26\00:19:28.66
because God gives you
opportunity to see the needs.
00:19:28.70\00:19:31.93
I'm crying because this
is people come from the bush.
00:19:31.97\00:19:35.07
I was like wow, how
do you enjoy your life?
00:19:35.10\00:19:38.57
Look at them, you
know with that clothes,
00:19:38.61\00:19:40.48
you know
everything I was like, wow.
00:19:40.51\00:19:42.51
And then from
that when I see them,
00:19:42.54\00:19:45.15
I feel that I'm very
useless as a human being.
00:19:45.18\00:19:48.28
I was like, wow, I
use everything the money
00:19:48.32\00:19:50.89
that He give it to
me for my own self.
00:19:50.92\00:19:53.96
And then I have the opportunity
seven hours to walk with them,
00:19:53.99\00:19:57.26
you know through that jungle.
00:19:57.29\00:20:00.30
And when I walked
seven hours with them,
00:20:00.33\00:20:02.96
I'm looking, you
know, I look Flashback.
00:20:03.00\00:20:06.20
You know, I look at them.
00:20:06.23\00:20:08.40
No, they seem so happy.
00:20:08.44\00:20:10.71
And then I go to
that mountain to the hill.
00:20:10.74\00:20:14.51
And I prayed to
Lord here, I was crying.
00:20:14.54\00:20:16.85
I was like,
Lord, wow, thank you,
00:20:16.88\00:20:19.21
you know, because I never see
this kind of, you know, life.
00:20:19.25\00:20:24.49
And I say, Lord, if
I go back to Jakarta,
00:20:24.52\00:20:27.19
which is to my city.
00:20:27.22\00:20:28.56
I know, person like me is
going to be so hard to find you.
00:20:28.59\00:20:32.99
But you know, please remember
that I really, really willing
00:20:33.03\00:20:36.23
to be Your servant.
00:20:36.26\00:20:37.60
Amen.
00:20:37.63\00:20:38.97
I don't know how
and I don't know when.
00:20:39.00\00:20:40.37
But, Lord, if I go to Jakarta,
please give me opportunity
00:20:40.40\00:20:45.17
to serve my
people and my country.
00:20:45.21\00:20:47.84
Please give me Indonesia.
00:20:47.88\00:20:50.55
That's the
prayer I want to hear.
00:20:50.58\00:20:52.35
I was like, Lord, I don't know.
00:20:52.38\00:20:55.32
But yeah, when I go
back to Jakarta, and then,
00:20:55.35\00:20:59.02
you know, story after
story, and here we are,
00:20:59.05\00:21:01.42
have the satellite the
first broadcasting satellite
00:21:01.46\00:21:04.39
in the Muslim population.
00:21:04.43\00:21:06.43
You know, we give
hope, God give them,
00:21:06.46\00:21:09.36
God give us hope
to serve our people.
00:21:09.40\00:21:11.77
And then I just
only that God, give her,
00:21:11.80\00:21:14.04
give Indonesia
hope to see the message,
00:21:14.07\00:21:17.77
the message that brought me in.
00:21:17.81\00:21:21.44
So the arena of your life
just expanded tremendously
00:21:21.48\00:21:25.31
because you're my
people, your people.
00:21:25.35\00:21:28.58
Yes.
00:21:28.62\00:21:29.95
Wow.
00:21:29.98\00:21:31.32
So now, you know, I
think of John Carter,
00:21:31.35\00:21:35.42
when he prayed,
Lord, give me Russia
00:21:35.46\00:21:37.43
and He opened
the doors, you prayed
00:21:37.46\00:21:39.66
the same kind of and that
is an out of the box prayer.
00:21:39.69\00:21:43.63
That saying, God, I know all
things are possible with You.
00:21:43.67\00:21:47.80
So you pray that and
God is opening the doors.
00:21:47.84\00:21:50.44
Amen.
00:21:50.47\00:21:51.81
Tell us for
people who don't know,
00:21:51.84\00:21:54.51
Indonesia is the
largest Muslim population
00:21:54.54\00:21:59.91
in the world.
00:21:59.95\00:22:01.58
Where is Indonesia?
00:22:01.62\00:22:03.32
And tell us a
little bit about it?
00:22:03.35\00:22:05.25
It's in Southeast Asia.
00:22:05.29\00:22:06.65
Okay.
00:22:06.69\00:22:08.02
It's around the equator.
00:22:08.06\00:22:09.39
All right.
00:22:09.42\00:22:10.76
So we're right around there
by Malaysia and Philippines,
00:22:10.79\00:22:12.89
just south of them.
00:22:12.93\00:22:14.36
And then but north of Australia.
00:22:14.40\00:22:16.16
North of Australia, okay.
00:22:16.20\00:22:17.53
Yes.
00:22:17.57\00:22:18.90
I think, did you
bring a video that we can...
00:22:18.93\00:22:20.27
Yes.
00:22:20.30\00:22:21.64
Yes, let's look at that video
00:22:21.67\00:22:23.00
because this
will give you an idea
00:22:23.04\00:22:25.34
if you don't know
what Indonesia is like.
00:22:25.37\00:22:29.31
Here is video.
00:22:29.34\00:22:30.75
Well, I know that
equator means hot.
00:22:30.78\00:22:33.52
Yeah.
00:22:33.55\00:22:35.98
And here's Indonesia.
00:22:36.02\00:22:38.95
Right there, the size of
Indonesia is about America,
00:22:38.99\00:22:42.66
the continent from
Washington State to Maine.
00:22:42.69\00:22:46.09
Okay.
00:22:46.13\00:22:47.46
Of 17,000 islands, 17,500.
00:22:47.50\00:22:51.13
Eight.
00:22:51.17\00:22:52.50
Yeah, 508.
00:22:52.53\00:22:53.87
And there's 700
something language dialects.
00:22:53.90\00:22:58.27
And, but 90%, I think
85 at least are Muslims.
00:22:58.31\00:23:03.98
And it's not easy
to just open up books
00:23:04.01\00:23:06.92
and teach gospel to
Muslim because they,
00:23:06.95\00:23:10.39
they have their
own system of belief,
00:23:10.42\00:23:12.29
which is completely different
one that in what we believe.
00:23:12.32\00:23:16.16
So we try to package the gospel
in practical terms and like,
00:23:16.19\00:23:20.76
you know, marriage, education,
even history, prophecy,
00:23:20.80\00:23:25.90
because there are
some similarities.
00:23:25.93\00:23:29.07
But yeah, with the satellite,
we're getting telephone calls
00:23:29.10\00:23:31.81
from places we
haven't even heard.
00:23:31.84\00:23:33.48
That's amazing.
00:23:33.51\00:23:34.84
Yeah.
00:23:34.88\00:23:36.21
So there's so many stories,
00:23:36.24\00:23:37.58
people are
coming into the church,
00:23:37.61\00:23:38.95
people are asking
for books, for lessons,
00:23:38.98\00:23:40.85
people asking
for nurses, doctors,
00:23:40.88\00:23:45.05
and teachers,
all kinds of request.
00:23:45.09\00:23:47.66
We cannot
satisfy them all, but...
00:23:47.69\00:23:49.46
Did you start with
the satellite ministry
00:23:49.49\00:23:51.43
or did you...
00:23:51.46\00:23:52.79
Give us the starting
point of how did it start?
00:23:52.83\00:23:55.46
Yeah, it was
that one camp meeting
00:23:55.50\00:23:58.33
that we had in 2011.
00:23:58.37\00:24:00.14
A challenge was made.
00:24:00.17\00:24:01.64
Indonesian, it's a
television broadcast
00:24:01.67\00:24:03.77
of the three angels' messages.
00:24:03.81\00:24:05.27
Wow.
00:24:05.31\00:24:06.71
So who's willing to do it?
00:24:06.74\00:24:08.14
Well, how many
people raise your hands?
00:24:08.18\00:24:10.55
Who's willing to pay for it?
00:24:10.58\00:24:11.91
While the other
hand, like it is the...
00:24:11.95\00:24:15.88
But, you know, it
took a long process,
00:24:15.92\00:24:17.99
you know, just we
ended up to be the one
00:24:18.02\00:24:21.82
that's here all along
from day one until now.
00:24:21.86\00:24:24.53
Wow.
00:24:24.56\00:24:25.89
Praise God.
00:24:25.93\00:24:27.26
And yeah...
00:24:27.30\00:24:28.63
It's been over 10 years.
00:24:28.66\00:24:30.00
Ten years and six
months, yeah to be exact.
00:24:30.03\00:24:31.63
So you've got all
of these dialects,
00:24:31.67\00:24:34.20
but there is one main
dialect, that's Bahasa.
00:24:34.24\00:24:37.87
Indonesian.
00:24:37.91\00:24:39.24
Yeah, Bahasa Indonesia.
00:24:39.27\00:24:40.61
Now, so where do you get
your programming and tell us
00:24:40.64\00:24:44.98
about you have to, if
it isn't produced in house
00:24:45.01\00:24:48.58
then you have to translate?
00:24:48.62\00:24:50.12
We try to produce
as much as we can,
00:24:50.15\00:24:52.12
but it's impossible.
00:24:52.15\00:24:53.49
We're just broadcasting,
00:24:53.52\00:24:54.86
we're uplinking the
videos to the satellite,
00:24:54.89\00:24:58.03
and then it gets
rebroadcast in the footprint
00:24:58.06\00:25:01.33
that is, that
covers all over Indonesia.
00:25:01.36\00:25:04.10
It's as big as
America, the continent.
00:25:04.13\00:25:06.43
So it's like
feeding an elephant,
00:25:06.47\00:25:09.40
they're always hungry seemingly.
00:25:09.44\00:25:12.17
We invite different ministries,
of course, to produce videos,
00:25:12.21\00:25:16.68
you know, and we
broadcast what they produce.
00:25:16.71\00:25:20.72
We take from America also, we
get permission to rebroadcast,
00:25:20.75\00:25:24.35
we write them email, and
then we have the permission we,
00:25:24.39\00:25:27.19
but we have to
subtitle or voice over,
00:25:27.22\00:25:30.06
there's a lot of work.
00:25:30.09\00:25:31.43
One hour of talk usually takes
like 12 to 15 hours to produce.
00:25:31.46\00:25:35.80
So we need workers
resources to accomplish this.
00:25:35.83\00:25:41.50
That's the
magnitude of the task,
00:25:41.54\00:25:43.44
it's just unbelievable.
00:25:43.47\00:25:44.81
The barrier is not
just only the subtitle,
00:25:44.84\00:25:47.91
but Indonesia is just
not common with reading.
00:25:47.94\00:25:51.68
So that's why they just
like to have the voice over
00:25:51.71\00:25:54.78
'cause they just sit
there and listening, right?
00:25:54.82\00:25:57.49
Because when we put the
subtitle like our viewers,
00:25:57.52\00:26:00.99
you know, they just like that,
00:26:01.02\00:26:02.36
you know, that's
too fast and too small.
00:26:02.39\00:26:05.13
And for us it's
very, like a double job.
00:26:05.16\00:26:08.66
We have something we
need to, you know, replace out
00:26:08.70\00:26:11.87
or redo the program
everything to anything.
00:26:11.90\00:26:14.94
And then yeah,
the subtitle is...
00:26:14.97\00:26:18.51
Right now we
produce about, let's say,
00:26:18.54\00:26:21.68
15 to 20% of the
programs in house.
00:26:21.71\00:26:24.05
Okay.
00:26:24.08\00:26:25.41
But we keep it
really, really simple.
00:26:25.45\00:26:27.68
We take a book, and we
read and just repackage it
00:26:27.72\00:26:31.29
in just layman terms.
00:26:31.32\00:26:33.89
Amen.
00:26:33.92\00:26:35.26
If you would like,
yeah, in the language
00:26:35.29\00:26:37.23
that they understand
the practicality of it.
00:26:37.26\00:26:40.33
And...
00:26:40.36\00:26:41.70
But you are Indonesian so
but if the majority are Muslim,
00:26:41.73\00:26:46.94
how do they
accept you as Christians?
00:26:46.97\00:26:51.17
Well, honestly, because
it's a Christian television,
00:26:51.21\00:26:54.41
we cannot cater 100%,
for them to be accepting
00:26:54.44\00:26:58.08
what they see on television.
00:26:58.11\00:26:59.75
It's just, we, when
they see on television,
00:26:59.78\00:27:04.65
within just a few
seconds or a few minutes,
00:27:04.69\00:27:06.76
they will know
oh, it's Christian.
00:27:06.79\00:27:09.49
Anything that has
to do with Christian,
00:27:09.52\00:27:10.86
I think it comes from the west,
00:27:10.89\00:27:12.23
they think that
belongs to the Christians.
00:27:12.26\00:27:14.86
We don't want to have
anything to do with it.
00:27:14.90\00:27:17.20
But there are some Muslims
who are really, really desiring
00:27:17.23\00:27:20.64
to seek something,
you know, they sit down,
00:27:20.67\00:27:23.64
and then they will learn, but
it's usually the serious ones
00:27:23.67\00:27:27.78
that are really
requesting for further studies.
00:27:27.81\00:27:30.38
And we do have this,
you know, there's young man,
00:27:30.41\00:27:33.01
29 years old,
he lived in a house
00:27:33.05\00:27:35.72
that has a television
on it, and then he calls in
00:27:35.75\00:27:38.75
and, and then he
starts asking for books,
00:27:38.79\00:27:40.76
you know, we do send them books.
00:27:40.79\00:27:42.39
He asked for a
Bible, I send him Bibles.
00:27:42.42\00:27:43.93
What do I read?
00:27:43.96\00:27:45.43
It's a good question.
00:27:45.46\00:27:46.80
Tell him read
Matthew 5, 6, and 7.
00:27:46.83\00:27:49.40
He reads Matthew 5, 6 and 7.
00:27:49.43\00:27:51.40
Such a noble lesson I read
from this, Matthew 5, 6 and 7.
00:27:51.43\00:27:56.40
This is actually
speaking to my kalbu,
00:27:56.44\00:27:58.21
kalbu is like my spirit.
00:27:58.24\00:28:00.68
So with him, we have to
keep it really, really simple.
00:28:00.71\00:28:03.31
Sure.
00:28:03.35\00:28:04.68
Yeah, we have people like that.
00:28:04.71\00:28:06.05
Yeah.
00:28:06.08\00:28:07.42
But now your title
is Jesus for Indonesia
00:28:07.45\00:28:11.95
Satellite and Health.
00:28:11.99\00:28:13.76
Yes.
00:28:13.79\00:28:15.12
So is the health message
a big part of your ministry?
00:28:15.16\00:28:19.86
Yeah, it's the opening
words to the gospel, right,
00:28:19.89\00:28:22.00
as we believe in.
00:28:22.03\00:28:23.37
And we live in the village,
00:28:23.40\00:28:25.93
we took a step to
live in the countryside
00:28:25.97\00:28:28.37
and the sort of the field is.
00:28:28.40\00:28:29.74
Where are you
located? Where is this?
00:28:29.77\00:28:31.11
We are about two hours south
of the capital city of Jakarta.
00:28:31.14\00:28:33.27
Okay.
00:28:33.31\00:28:34.64
But we're up in the
mountains, so it's cooler.
00:28:34.68\00:28:37.41
And then the villagers
around us there, they're poor,
00:28:37.45\00:28:41.72
they need like a practical
gospel to be given to them
00:28:41.75\00:28:44.95
in terms of like, you
know, service that we do.
00:28:44.99\00:28:46.55
Amen.
00:28:46.59\00:28:47.92
So we set up a clinic.
00:28:47.96\00:28:49.29
We do charities,
we invite friends
00:28:49.32\00:28:51.73
who are wanting to
do charities with them.
00:28:51.76\00:28:54.46
And the clinic I
became the dentist for them.
00:28:54.50\00:28:57.17
I'm not a dentist,
but they got no choice.
00:28:57.20\00:29:00.00
But you had a dentist that
came and got trained you, right?
00:29:00.04\00:29:03.77
Yeah.
00:29:03.81\00:29:05.14
In the beginning there's like
few dentists that took turns
00:29:05.17\00:29:07.34
and then I got trained
myself to become a dentist
00:29:07.38\00:29:11.35
when American dentist
came to Indonesia and had me
00:29:11.38\00:29:14.58
just with my
hands work on the teeth
00:29:14.62\00:29:16.72
when he did
extractions, fillings,
00:29:16.75\00:29:19.75
scaling, just basic stuff.
00:29:19.79\00:29:21.46
Maybe like a
little bit about Indonesia
00:29:21.49\00:29:23.29
that Indonesia is a
Muslim, big Muslim country.
00:29:23.32\00:29:26.43
And then it's just not
easy for us to give them books
00:29:26.46\00:29:29.53
pray for them because
you know, the idea of,
00:29:29.56\00:29:32.27
the idea when they see
us is like this your blood
00:29:32.30\00:29:35.30
is ticket for
me to go to heaven.
00:29:35.34\00:29:37.21
So you know you cannot
teach, you cannot teach us
00:29:37.24\00:29:40.08
because my
father side is a Muslim
00:29:40.11\00:29:42.04
so you know, I let a bit...
00:29:42.08\00:29:43.41
Dad's still a Muslim.
00:29:43.45\00:29:44.78
Yeah, dad's still a Muslims
so I little bit understand,
00:29:44.81\00:29:46.61
you know about why they
think about the Christian.
00:29:46.65\00:29:49.75
And then, so for
us with the viewers
00:29:49.78\00:29:52.72
with this kind
of a health message,
00:29:52.75\00:29:56.86
we with the viewers, we...
00:29:56.89\00:30:01.86
Viewer is like our family.
00:30:01.90\00:30:03.40
Yes, we treat
them as families, yeah.
00:30:03.43\00:30:04.93
We treat them
it's like a family.
00:30:04.97\00:30:06.53
Because, you know, they're
very hard to understand that,
00:30:06.57\00:30:09.60
the books and everything,
they always call us, like,
00:30:09.64\00:30:11.84
can you go here and we
just visit their place,
00:30:11.87\00:30:14.11
we just stay in their house,
00:30:14.14\00:30:16.08
sleep with them
a couple of days,
00:30:16.11\00:30:17.61
you know, like, because for us,
00:30:17.65\00:30:20.02
we become the
books for them, you know?
00:30:20.05\00:30:22.42
Just as God use your husband's
life as a book for you.
00:30:22.45\00:30:26.05
Exactly.
00:30:26.09\00:30:27.42
And then this health
message also is become like
00:30:27.46\00:30:29.16
the opening door
for us in our villages,
00:30:29.19\00:30:32.46
because the
villages is, is all Muslim.
00:30:32.49\00:30:35.53
It's just only me and
my husband is a Christian,
00:30:35.56\00:30:38.53
and then how they
love us, you know, like,
00:30:38.57\00:30:40.77
through this
come health message,
00:30:40.80\00:30:42.54
you know, we give
them everything's free,
00:30:42.57\00:30:44.37
we serve them,
00:30:44.41\00:30:45.74
and then we already in
their place is already 11 years.
00:30:45.77\00:30:51.11
So with this
Muslim, we cannot just
00:30:51.15\00:30:54.12
only have a short
time, we have to give them
00:30:54.15\00:30:57.49
a long time for
them to understand.
00:30:57.52\00:30:59.79
Because if we just
give them a short time,
00:30:59.82\00:31:02.49
you know, they know
exactly you want to be my friend
00:31:02.52\00:31:06.13
that you want
to Christianize us,
00:31:06.16\00:31:08.13
you know, they need
to understand that no,
00:31:08.16\00:31:10.47
we don't want to
Christianize you,
00:31:10.50\00:31:13.13
but we here to give you
a different side of life,
00:31:13.17\00:31:16.77
you know that is God.
00:31:16.81\00:31:18.14
We want to give you Jesus.
00:31:18.17\00:31:19.51
You know, we just
want to give you Jesus,
00:31:19.54\00:31:22.01
we just want to give
you the love of Jesus,
00:31:22.04\00:31:24.45
the compassion of Jesus.
00:31:24.48\00:31:26.28
So, through this 11
years, they see that, wow,
00:31:26.31\00:31:30.79
this family is our family.
00:31:30.82\00:31:32.55
Now they believe on us.
00:31:32.59\00:31:33.92
Amen.
00:31:33.96\00:31:35.29
We are no threats.
00:31:35.32\00:31:36.66
Yes, we're not threats.
00:31:36.69\00:31:38.03
Praise God.
00:31:38.06\00:31:39.39
Now your three
children are how old?
00:31:39.43\00:31:40.76
They're 19, 16 and 12.
00:31:40.80\00:31:42.63
And they're very
involved in this ministry.
00:31:42.66\00:31:45.77
Tell us about it?
00:31:45.80\00:31:47.27
Well, they grew up
in the countryside,
00:31:47.30\00:31:48.67
they grew up in the
mission in their life.
00:31:48.70\00:31:52.27
And with the villagers, they
grew up seeing the kids there.
00:31:52.31\00:31:57.45
They understand the need
that they need to be taken away
00:31:57.48\00:32:00.52
from smoking and
drugs and be given,
00:32:00.55\00:32:03.52
like a lifestyle that is
healthy and with the purpose,
00:32:03.55\00:32:07.16
because they have no money.
00:32:07.19\00:32:08.52
So that side you know, I
would say for some reason
00:32:08.56\00:32:10.59
it surprises me smoking
and drugs in a Muslim country,
00:32:10.63\00:32:14.13
but it is there as well.
00:32:14.16\00:32:15.50
Oh, yeah, smoking is big.
00:32:15.53\00:32:16.87
Really.
00:32:16.90\00:32:18.23
Drinking not so
much they don't drink,
00:32:18.27\00:32:21.30
but, yeah, they
like their cigarettes.
00:32:21.34\00:32:24.64
When you see them when they're
12, 13 they start smoking.
00:32:24.67\00:32:28.58
And then when we see this,
we probably, we can understand
00:32:28.61\00:32:31.95
that they have like no other
means of getting themselves
00:32:31.98\00:32:35.85
busy with, so
they just hang out,
00:32:35.88\00:32:37.65
they make troubles, you know?
00:32:37.69\00:32:40.19
So my children, my two
boys, they started running,
00:32:40.22\00:32:44.09
you know, they become runners,
00:32:44.13\00:32:46.46
kind of like
semiprofessionally also.
00:32:46.49\00:32:49.60
They're runners with mission,
00:32:49.63\00:32:51.97
they want to introduce the
healthy lifestyle that we have.
00:32:52.00\00:32:55.04
And, of course,
they are also challenged,
00:32:55.07\00:32:56.94
whether the diet that we
choose is able to be used
00:32:56.97\00:32:59.67
for extreme regimes of sport.
00:32:59.71\00:33:02.28
So what they desire is
to scout this young talents
00:33:02.31\00:33:05.08
from the village and
give them, introduce them,
00:33:05.11\00:33:07.88
you know, there's a good life,
00:33:07.92\00:33:09.68
you know, if you
live a healthy life,
00:33:09.72\00:33:11.12
if you want to become
athletes, let's become athletes.
00:33:11.15\00:33:13.46
Let me train
you, let us train you.
00:33:13.49\00:33:15.76
So when you said that lifestyle
00:33:15.79\00:33:17.56
there you are
vegetarian plant-based.
00:33:17.59\00:33:20.86
Yes, plant-based, yeah.
00:33:20.90\00:33:22.23
And so the
people there are like...
00:33:22.26\00:33:24.93
Yeah, the skeptics, of course.
00:33:24.97\00:33:26.30
There's skeptics,
whether you could be an athlete,
00:33:26.33\00:33:28.50
you know what I mean.
00:33:28.54\00:33:29.87
Yeah, but they have
proven themselves that...
00:33:29.90\00:33:31.24
Because with the Muslim,
they are very structured, right,
00:33:31.27\00:33:34.14
you know, they have a fast
thing, like, once in the year.
00:33:34.18\00:33:36.28
Yes.
00:33:36.31\00:33:37.65
For a month, yeah.
00:33:37.68\00:33:39.01
Yeah, for a month.
00:33:39.05\00:33:40.38
And then when they see
our lifestyle for them,
00:33:40.42\00:33:43.18
Wow, that is your fasting,
you know, you're not like us,
00:33:43.22\00:33:46.96
we just have one
month for every year,
00:33:46.99\00:33:49.69
but you, you are every day.
00:33:49.72\00:33:52.29
So, they call us santri.
00:33:52.33\00:33:53.96
Santri is a devout Muslim.
00:33:54.00\00:33:57.77
So look at your choices.
00:33:57.80\00:33:59.13
So that's why you know, kids
needs to be, you know, exposed.
00:33:59.17\00:34:02.60
So the Muslim
kids also you know,
00:34:02.64\00:34:04.91
see this kind of
structure come from us.
00:34:04.94\00:34:08.41
I became, I was curious
you know, how to fix my life
00:34:08.44\00:34:11.71
because, you know, I
was a heavy smoker too.
00:34:11.75\00:34:13.82
I was a drinker, my
wife, she was suicidal
00:34:13.85\00:34:17.95
when it comes to drugs
and cigarettes and drinking.
00:34:17.99\00:34:22.02
So, along the way when
we tried to fix ourselves,
00:34:22.06\00:34:25.66
I was curious about
this nutrition thing.
00:34:25.69\00:34:27.50
So I took on nutrition courses.
00:34:27.53\00:34:30.23
I wanted to become nutritionist
and then from there,
00:34:30.27\00:34:33.60
we learn some
knowledge we have new start,
00:34:33.64\00:34:36.84
you know, and then we got called
00:34:36.87\00:34:40.28
by different groups of
people to start sharing
00:34:40.31\00:34:43.38
the concept of new
start, like their mind blown.
00:34:43.41\00:34:45.71
Wow, they're so smart.
00:34:45.75\00:34:48.58
And then one
community after another,
00:34:48.62\00:34:51.25
it led us back to the society
00:34:51.29\00:34:54.16
where we want once
belonged, you know.
00:34:54.19\00:34:56.32
This is like years
after we left them,
00:34:56.36\00:34:58.39
you know, I kind of
vowed not to wanna associate
00:34:58.43\00:35:01.03
myself with them anymore
00:35:01.06\00:35:02.40
because I want to
have a mission life,
00:35:02.43\00:35:04.60
but Lord actually reminded me
00:35:04.63\00:35:07.17
you have a
social responsibility.
00:35:07.20\00:35:08.54
Those are your friends, they
are unreached in different way,
00:35:08.57\00:35:12.14
you know, there's people
from the high level of society,
00:35:12.17\00:35:14.81
nobody wants to...
00:35:14.84\00:35:16.18
Yeah.
00:35:16.21\00:35:17.55
Well, some Christians
like to hang out with them,
00:35:17.58\00:35:19.38
because we think they
are going to support our,
00:35:19.41\00:35:22.28
you know, financially but no,
the Lord reminded me of like,
00:35:22.32\00:35:26.59
there's so many
souls to be reached there.
00:35:26.62\00:35:29.32
So with these talks of nutrition
00:35:29.36\00:35:32.46
and encouraging people
to live a healthy life,
00:35:32.49\00:35:34.13
we're actually
brought to them once again,
00:35:34.16\00:35:38.03
you know, because they
want to become healthy.
00:35:38.07\00:35:41.84
And then we
started running with them,
00:35:41.87\00:35:43.41
we started exercising
and cycling with them.
00:35:43.44\00:35:45.74
And then Shandy was asked
to be asked to be a leader
00:35:45.77\00:35:49.94
in the cycling community
that that's comprised of people
00:35:49.98\00:35:53.11
from our previous life.
00:35:53.15\00:35:54.88
And then this time around, okay,
00:35:54.92\00:35:56.32
it's good to see
you all again here.
00:35:56.35\00:35:57.89
Well, where you
been all these years?
00:35:57.92\00:35:59.55
Wow.
00:35:59.59\00:36:00.92
We become missionaries.
00:36:00.96\00:36:02.29
But okay, so
let's cycle with us.
00:36:02.32\00:36:03.66
We're cycling and
then through cycling,
00:36:03.69\00:36:05.33
we're reconnecting,
you know, friendships.
00:36:05.36\00:36:07.43
Amen.
00:36:07.46\00:36:08.80
And then they're
seeing the values that we had
00:36:08.83\00:36:10.33
all these years
missing from their lives,
00:36:10.37\00:36:12.60
and then they were like, wow.
00:36:12.63\00:36:14.34
It's interesting your choices,
00:36:14.37\00:36:15.70
you know, you're
living in the countryside,
00:36:15.74\00:36:17.07
you're living a healthy life,
00:36:17.11\00:36:18.44
you know, how you educate
your children, your mission.
00:36:18.47\00:36:20.88
They call it the life
of service, humanitarian,
00:36:20.91\00:36:25.01
you know, so spend
marriage, look at you,
00:36:25.05\00:36:30.02
your marriage restored,
and you look at many of them,
00:36:30.05\00:36:33.49
marriage is falling apart,
they have no relationship.
00:36:33.52\00:36:36.86
So those are the values
that we introduced to them
00:36:36.89\00:36:39.19
this time around.
00:36:39.23\00:36:40.56
Yes.
00:36:40.60\00:36:41.93
So we bring them to our
lives, to the countryside,
00:36:41.96\00:36:45.07
we also want to have kind
of like center of influence.
00:36:45.10\00:36:48.74
Yes, you know, like through
this pandemic 2020, right?
00:36:48.77\00:36:53.64
Now, they just
like say, like this.
00:36:53.68\00:36:56.41
Now, we know why you
choose this kind of life.
00:36:56.44\00:36:59.61
There is something that
you know that we don't know,
00:36:59.65\00:37:03.28
because we're just
curious, they said,
00:37:03.32\00:37:05.29
you know, you are
very modern person.
00:37:05.32\00:37:08.09
We know who you are,
00:37:08.12\00:37:10.79
and then they just like
why we want you to lead us
00:37:10.83\00:37:13.80
because we need to be
lead with like people like you,
00:37:13.83\00:37:16.33
your choices.
00:37:16.36\00:37:17.70
But you know how you educate
your kids about you know,
00:37:17.73\00:37:22.04
your house in the countryside,
00:37:22.07\00:37:24.11
everything you know
about the humanitarian...
00:37:24.14\00:37:25.51
Mission life.
00:37:25.54\00:37:27.11
A mission life and
then through this pandemic,
00:37:27.14\00:37:28.78
they just like, "Wow, you
are so ready with this crisis."
00:37:28.81\00:37:33.18
I was like, "What ready?
I'm not ready with anything."
00:37:33.21\00:37:35.72
"No, you are so ready.
00:37:35.75\00:37:37.45
Now we know why
you choose this life,
00:37:37.49\00:37:40.16
because you know,
00:37:40.19\00:37:41.52
there is
something gonna happen."
00:37:41.56\00:37:44.06
There's a wisdom that you have.
00:37:44.09\00:37:45.79
This is not Christian.
00:37:45.83\00:37:47.26
They said, "There's
a wisdom that you have,
00:37:47.30\00:37:50.07
you know, like, your gut
telling you to do something
00:37:50.10\00:37:53.27
because you know,
your gut knows exactly
00:37:53.30\00:37:55.57
what's gonna
happen in this world."
00:37:55.60\00:37:56.94
I was like, wow.
00:37:56.97\00:37:58.31
And then now they just
like, they're asking books.
00:37:58.34\00:38:00.38
They're asking,
like, what should we do?
00:38:00.41\00:38:01.74
Praise the Lord.
00:38:01.78\00:38:03.11
Enlightenment.
00:38:03.14\00:38:04.48
They're just like Shandy.
00:38:04.51\00:38:05.85
If something happened
in the news, they call us.
00:38:05.88\00:38:07.22
Do you know
what's going to happen?
00:38:07.25\00:38:08.62
Do you see the news, can...
00:38:08.65\00:38:10.52
And then sometimes
they just like, make it fun.
00:38:10.55\00:38:13.19
They just like if
something happened
00:38:13.22\00:38:14.56
with Shandy because they are.
00:38:14.59\00:38:15.99
They are cycling, right?
00:38:16.02\00:38:17.36
If something
happened in us in the city,
00:38:17.39\00:38:19.46
we know exactly where to go.
00:38:19.49\00:38:20.83
We just take our
bikes, we just go run away
00:38:20.86\00:38:22.90
in the mountain with Shandy,
because Shandy and Ramon,
00:38:22.93\00:38:25.43
they can take care of us.
00:38:25.47\00:38:26.80
I was like, wow.
00:38:26.84\00:38:28.17
Yeah.
00:38:28.20\00:38:29.54
It sounds like somebody else
probably about 12-15 years ago.
00:38:29.57\00:38:32.81
Yes.
00:38:32.84\00:38:34.18
You know?
00:38:34.21\00:38:35.54
And so, but the
Lord has that way.
00:38:35.58\00:38:39.68
I was watching a program
a little bit earlier talking
00:38:39.71\00:38:42.15
about His providential power.
00:38:42.18\00:38:45.39
And proverbs means
being able to future
00:38:45.42\00:38:49.46
see something
being providential.
00:38:49.49\00:38:53.73
And so you just don't
know what our responsibility
00:38:53.76\00:38:57.70
is to keep on keeping on.
00:38:57.73\00:39:00.24
And then and things just fall
into place, like who would have
00:39:00.27\00:39:03.81
ever thought that
you'd make changes?
00:39:03.84\00:39:05.87
That's right.
00:39:05.91\00:39:07.51
But yet, here you are.
00:39:07.54\00:39:08.88
And now you're a
role model, a role model.
00:39:08.91\00:39:11.78
And so this is gonna be
what's gonna be interesting
00:39:11.81\00:39:15.65
five years from now,
sit down here and say,
00:39:15.68\00:39:18.75
hey, what's the update?
00:39:18.79\00:39:20.49
You'll never guess.
00:39:20.52\00:39:21.99
Yeah.
00:39:22.02\00:39:23.36
Absolutely.
00:39:23.39\00:39:24.73
We now have friends who
frequently come visit us
00:39:24.76\00:39:27.70
and several are actually
adopting our life choices,
00:39:27.73\00:39:32.57
buying lots of land in the
countryside and start growing,
00:39:32.60\00:39:37.17
simplifying their life choices,
00:39:37.21\00:39:39.71
simplifying their
children education,
00:39:39.74\00:39:41.98
going back to the
home based education,
00:39:42.01\00:39:44.25
practicality of education.
00:39:44.28\00:39:47.38
And now we're seeing
them, that's why we invite them
00:39:47.42\00:39:49.58
to come to our place and we
want to make our place like,
00:39:49.62\00:39:52.49
you know, a home for them.
00:39:52.52\00:39:54.59
You know, we have to be willing
to make investment in time.
00:39:54.62\00:39:58.63
I've been telling
people especially Christians,
00:39:58.66\00:40:00.53
we have to lend
our ears sometimes
00:40:00.56\00:40:01.90
more than we lend our mouth.
00:40:01.93\00:40:03.80
We like to teach before
we listen to their problem,
00:40:03.83\00:40:06.57
that we're
teaching the wrong things
00:40:06.60\00:40:07.94
that they're not
getting through them, you know?
00:40:07.97\00:40:10.91
When we sit down, we
invest time, we'll sit down,
00:40:10.94\00:40:13.27
we're cycling
three times a week,
00:40:13.31\00:40:14.84
we cycle one hour each time,
00:40:14.88\00:40:16.85
but we could sit down
two three hours talking,
00:40:16.88\00:40:20.22
they call it copyright, for
us non copyright, but we write.
00:40:20.25\00:40:25.65
We meet two, three times, we
develop strong relationships,
00:40:25.69\00:40:28.12
and we introduce them
the values that we have.
00:40:28.16\00:40:30.59
And then they were like, wow,
00:40:30.63\00:40:32.19
I think this is
going to be the solution
00:40:32.23\00:40:33.83
why I see your family solid.
00:40:33.86\00:40:35.93
Now tell us more.
00:40:35.96\00:40:37.63
And then yeah, if we're
asking for wisdom from the Lord,
00:40:37.67\00:40:40.34
if it's time to give
books, then we give books.
00:40:40.37\00:40:43.44
They understand
in the spirit, also,
00:40:43.47\00:40:45.91
something is about
to happen in this world.
00:40:45.94\00:40:47.81
They're
expecting like, the arrival
00:40:47.84\00:40:50.71
or the Imam Mahdi at
some point in the future.
00:40:50.75\00:40:53.45
That's where we come in
to introduce a little bit
00:40:53.48\00:40:55.32
about prophecy of
who we are, who Jesus is.
00:40:55.35\00:40:58.29
I think that everybody
is asking the same question.
00:40:58.32\00:41:01.52
Something's going on.
00:41:01.56\00:41:02.89
Yeah.
00:41:02.92\00:41:04.26
And we just need
to, mean, you're saying,
00:41:04.29\00:41:06.43
to me, you're a visionary.
00:41:06.46\00:41:07.96
You had an
ability to look forward
00:41:08.00\00:41:09.86
and you're walking the talk.
00:41:09.90\00:41:11.57
Yeah.
00:41:11.60\00:41:12.93
Praise the Lord.
00:41:12.97\00:41:14.30
And with your influence,
a center of influence, wow,
00:41:14.34\00:41:16.04
you know, this is
beginning to take shape.
00:41:16.07\00:41:18.41
It's exciting.
00:41:18.44\00:41:19.77
Yeah.
00:41:19.81\00:41:21.14
And I know, I know
that it takes a lot to keep
00:41:21.18\00:41:24.61
all of a lot of
juggling going on.
00:41:24.65\00:41:27.32
Yeah.
00:41:27.35\00:41:28.68
So tell us more the ministry,
you've got all of this,
00:41:28.72\00:41:32.69
the voiceovers, the subtitles,
00:41:32.72\00:41:35.36
you're trying to
produce your own programs.
00:41:35.39\00:41:39.46
How large is your team?
00:41:39.49\00:41:40.96
What do you need?
00:41:41.00\00:41:42.33
What?
00:41:42.36\00:41:43.70
I know some of you are
watching this program right now
00:41:43.73\00:41:47.24
and you may know, Bahasa.
00:41:47.27\00:41:49.64
You may be able to volunteer.
00:41:49.67\00:41:52.07
Can you use people if
they're not in Indonesia?
00:41:52.11\00:41:55.01
Can you still use someone?
00:41:55.04\00:41:57.25
Or do they need to be there?
00:41:57.28\00:41:58.61
Tell us what you need?
00:41:58.65\00:42:00.05
Yeah, for to be involved
directly with the world,
00:42:00.08\00:42:02.82
you have to be able
to speak our language.
00:42:02.85\00:42:05.39
Otherwise, you cannot
produce anything, you know.
00:42:05.42\00:42:08.12
And yeah, we have translators,
00:42:08.16\00:42:11.06
those people who speak
the language living here,
00:42:11.09\00:42:13.60
they can start
translating videos
00:42:13.63\00:42:15.23
that are given
copyrights to, to broadcast.
00:42:15.26\00:42:19.07
But they don't have
to move to Indonesia.
00:42:19.10\00:42:21.10
They can do it right here.
00:42:21.14\00:42:22.47
They can do it here.
00:42:22.50\00:42:23.84
Okay.
00:42:23.87\00:42:25.21
So we do that, we invite them,
00:42:25.24\00:42:26.57
but to get involved
with the center of influence
00:42:26.61\00:42:28.24
to teach them, to coach them.
00:42:28.28\00:42:29.68
Yeah, they have to know
a little bit of language.
00:42:29.71\00:42:32.31
But you know, some
people ask, like, oh,
00:42:32.35\00:42:35.25
what kind of
missionary that you need,
00:42:35.28\00:42:36.82
if we have the
center of influence,
00:42:36.85\00:42:38.89
we need a runner missionary.
00:42:38.92\00:42:40.26
Yeah.
00:42:40.29\00:42:41.62
We need a cycling missionary.
00:42:41.66\00:42:42.99
Because we do and
who do that with them,
00:42:43.02\00:42:45.33
you know, because so
that's why we want to open like,
00:42:45.36\00:42:48.00
because they like
to go to our place.
00:42:48.03\00:42:50.27
They just like, they call
this is like heaven on earth,
00:42:50.30\00:42:52.57
they say it like.
00:42:52.60\00:42:53.94
We like to spend
time with you guys.
00:42:53.97\00:42:55.44
So that's why I call
people if you want to work
00:42:55.47\00:42:57.87
in the mission
field, you can be a runner,
00:42:57.91\00:43:00.21
you can be a
cyclist, you can be anything.
00:43:00.24\00:43:03.55
Anything that God wants.
00:43:03.58\00:43:04.91
Yeah, we have like hiking
programs, you have like a,
00:43:04.95\00:43:06.58
there's a waterfall
close to us there is,
00:43:06.61\00:43:08.85
we can take them to walk into
nature, can spend a day or two.
00:43:08.88\00:43:12.89
And then we give
them lecture on health.
00:43:12.92\00:43:14.72
And then lecture on like,
00:43:14.76\00:43:16.09
you know,
emotions and power of minds
00:43:16.12\00:43:18.49
and things like that,
we have so many materials.
00:43:18.53\00:43:20.96
And then when you
have people like I mean,
00:43:21.00\00:43:24.73
maybe you have a
friend that knew you before,
00:43:24.77\00:43:27.50
when you were a
high maintenance woman,
00:43:27.54\00:43:30.27
let's say it that way.
00:43:30.31\00:43:32.64
And they look at you now.
00:43:32.67\00:43:35.28
But they see the
joy on your face.
00:43:35.31\00:43:37.68
I mean, you both just,
you radiate the love of Jesus.
00:43:37.71\00:43:41.85
So when you're introducing
them, whether you're cycling,
00:43:41.88\00:43:45.79
or you're
bringing them to your home,
00:43:45.82\00:43:47.36
and they see the
peace, they see the joy.
00:43:47.39\00:43:50.03
Have you had anybody
just ask you about Jesus
00:43:50.06\00:43:53.26
or what's going on?
00:43:53.29\00:43:54.96
Yeah, there's a lot
of people ask about Jesus
00:43:55.00\00:43:57.77
through us, you know?
00:43:57.80\00:43:59.13
So that's why we want to
open the center of influence,
00:43:59.17\00:44:02.00
because we want them
to stay in our house.
00:44:02.04\00:44:05.31
And then because what they
did is what they just sit down
00:44:05.34\00:44:08.21
in our house, they see
the activity inside our house.
00:44:08.24\00:44:12.18
They asking,
did you know exactly
00:44:12.21\00:44:14.68
why we want to open
the center of influence?
00:44:14.72\00:44:16.95
Because they do want to ask us.
00:44:16.99\00:44:19.15
Can you open center of
influence for us? Can we...
00:44:19.19\00:44:22.09
Place for us to
stay for a few days.
00:44:22.12\00:44:23.46
Can we stay here, bring
our kids, bring our family,
00:44:23.49\00:44:26.73
you know, to
spend time with you...
00:44:26.76\00:44:29.00
Have my kids
staying with your kids.
00:44:29.03\00:44:30.37
And then not just only
that they're the one...
00:44:30.40\00:44:33.64
There is a lot of
people following me
00:44:33.67\00:44:35.90
and then, you
know, like, call me,
00:44:35.94\00:44:38.17
I even don't know them,
but they heard the story
00:44:38.21\00:44:41.64
about me and my husband
through the other person.
00:44:41.68\00:44:43.85
They just like wow, and then
this is a lot of Muslim people.
00:44:43.88\00:44:47.72
They just like, well, are
really amazed what you did
00:44:47.75\00:44:50.39
you know, but and then
especially we know who are you
00:44:50.42\00:44:53.39
before you know, you are
very high maintenance person.
00:44:53.42\00:44:56.83
But now you know you have
a compassion to serve people,
00:44:56.86\00:45:00.73
especially my people
that they said, you guess
00:45:00.76\00:45:03.43
you know, that
is a Muslim people.
00:45:03.47\00:45:05.13
Seems to me like
it's quite obvious
00:45:05.17\00:45:06.90
that you have
purpose in your life
00:45:06.94\00:45:09.04
or perhaps before something
else was controlling you,
00:45:09.07\00:45:12.71
you know, you were just
trying to get through the day.
00:45:12.74\00:45:15.58
But now you have a
reason to get up in the morning.
00:45:15.61\00:45:18.91
People are
calling, let's go cycling.
00:45:18.95\00:45:21.28
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:21.32\00:45:22.65
I'm tired. But you
get up and you go cycling.
00:45:22.68\00:45:24.85
Yeah.
00:45:24.89\00:45:26.22
Let me ask this question
without being too personal.
00:45:26.25\00:45:29.16
I hope if I can
frame it in my mind.
00:45:29.19\00:45:31.83
You spend a lot of
money starting this ministry
00:45:31.86\00:45:35.53
and getting the satellite,
00:45:35.56\00:45:37.20
getting
everything ready for that.
00:45:37.23\00:45:39.03
How much does it cost
you to broadcast per hour?
00:45:39.07\00:45:44.67
I mean, when you go
up to the satellite,
00:45:44.71\00:45:46.57
what, do you need funding
00:45:46.61\00:45:51.68
to help with the broadcast?
00:45:51.71\00:45:53.52
Because I know you've spent
a good deal of money already.
00:45:53.55\00:45:55.98
Yeah.
00:45:56.02\00:45:57.35
Our broadcast
costs for us to broadcast
00:45:57.39\00:46:01.16
while the satellite for
us to be in the satellite
00:46:01.19\00:46:03.86
and running the ministry right
now the level where we are,
00:46:03.89\00:46:07.00
we'd like to grow,
of course, you know?
00:46:07.03\00:46:09.10
We like to invest in better
equipment and better staffing,
00:46:09.13\00:46:13.27
you know?
00:46:13.30\00:46:15.34
But right now, it's
$7,000 for us to run
00:46:15.37\00:46:18.77
the whole
ministry only to broadcast.
00:46:18.81\00:46:22.14
And then that's,
that's not a lot.
00:46:22.18\00:46:23.51
We started with like $15,000.
00:46:23.55\00:46:25.45
And then we got it down to
$7,000, just because of the,
00:46:25.48\00:46:28.02
you know, the
different technology.
00:46:28.05\00:46:30.09
That $7,000 of what?
00:46:30.12\00:46:32.39
That's for us to be on
the satellite 24/7 days.
00:46:32.42\00:46:34.96
That's per month?
00:46:34.99\00:46:36.32
Yeah, per month.
00:46:36.36\00:46:37.69
Okay.
00:46:37.73\00:46:39.06
Yeah, it's because so
we're not commercial television.
00:46:39.09\00:46:43.37
So we reduce the
bandwidth of the broadcast,
00:46:43.40\00:46:49.04
so it doesn't cost that much.
00:46:49.07\00:46:50.74
So we're broadcasting
at the minimum level,
00:46:50.77\00:46:52.84
minimum production level,
but our television viewers
00:46:52.87\00:46:55.88
in Indonesia are not like
American television viewers,
00:46:55.91\00:46:57.91
you know, they have less demand
00:46:57.95\00:46:59.41
and like qualities and whatever.
00:46:59.45\00:47:01.02
So, yea, right now, we're no.
00:47:01.05\00:47:04.79
So you have a vision
of, you want to expand,
00:47:04.82\00:47:07.72
you want to open a
center of influence,
00:47:07.76\00:47:10.03
you want to expand the coverage.
00:47:10.06\00:47:12.79
When you think
of where you were,
00:47:15.83\00:47:19.90
where you are now.
00:47:19.93\00:47:22.80
Would you ever go back?
00:47:22.84\00:47:25.27
No.
00:47:25.31\00:47:26.64
No?
00:47:26.68\00:47:28.01
I don't know.
00:47:28.04\00:47:29.38
You know, for me, I have
opportunity to work with God,
00:47:29.41\00:47:31.95
that is something that I
cannot imagine in my life
00:47:31.98\00:47:34.45
that God wants to
use a person like me.
00:47:34.48\00:47:38.05
If I can turn back the time,
00:47:38.09\00:47:40.12
I don't want to go
back to that kind of life
00:47:40.16\00:47:42.39
before because now
I'm living with the life
00:47:42.42\00:47:45.59
that the money cannot buy.
00:47:45.63\00:47:47.20
Before I'm living
with the life that money,
00:47:47.23\00:47:49.70
money said the
money can buy happiness.
00:47:49.73\00:47:52.77
But you know, I was there.
00:47:52.80\00:47:55.30
And I know, no, the
money cannot buy happiness.
00:47:55.34\00:47:58.27
So you know, God find
people like me to serve Him.
00:47:58.31\00:48:02.18
Now very have a full confidence
00:48:02.21\00:48:04.98
that does only God can
give you the real happiness.
00:48:05.01\00:48:07.65
Amen.
00:48:07.68\00:48:09.02
And you're
reaching into your ministry.
00:48:09.05\00:48:12.69
And I do know because
I've got several friends
00:48:12.72\00:48:15.22
who are ministering
in the Muslim nations
00:48:15.26\00:48:17.56
in our countries.
00:48:17.59\00:48:19.29
And Muslims are very,
culturally they are very,
00:48:19.33\00:48:24.93
they appreciate hospitality.
00:48:24.97\00:48:28.27
They won't trust
somebody that just comes in
00:48:28.30\00:48:30.97
and you can't be a
hit and run evangelist
00:48:31.01\00:48:34.34
in a Muslim nation,
which you are reaching,
00:48:34.38\00:48:37.98
because you're on
satellite places that the doors
00:48:38.01\00:48:42.65
would never get open to
you without the television.
00:48:42.68\00:48:46.15
That's just amazing.
00:48:46.19\00:48:47.69
I think, I think that
Ramon hit it on the head,
00:48:47.72\00:48:51.33
you've got to
think long term here.
00:48:51.36\00:48:53.19
Yes.
00:48:53.23\00:48:54.56
And that's what you're saying.
00:48:54.60\00:48:55.93
I mean, eventually,
00:48:55.96\00:48:59.57
the more mature the tree gets,
00:48:59.60\00:49:02.14
the more fruit it
normally produces.
00:49:02.17\00:49:05.27
So as time goes by,
00:49:05.31\00:49:07.71
you're going to
continue to produce more fruit.
00:49:07.74\00:49:10.81
Praise the Lord.
00:49:10.85\00:49:12.18
I'm sitting here thinking, wow,
00:49:12.21\00:49:13.55
you've got your
friends that can afford it.
00:49:13.58\00:49:15.82
They want to buy this
land out here and everything.
00:49:15.85\00:49:18.42
So that's, boy,
what an asset that is.
00:49:18.45\00:49:21.12
Maybe we can
cooperate with each other.
00:49:21.16\00:49:23.59
Or maybe we can start
cycling here at point A,
00:49:23.63\00:49:27.43
because you're over
here at point B and that's a,
00:49:27.46\00:49:30.20
that's a, that
would be a goal to go to.
00:49:30.23\00:49:32.03
So I mean, I just,
mean, we do believe
00:49:32.07\00:49:36.30
that we're living in the
last days, we do believe,
00:49:36.34\00:49:38.91
you know, in the
Spirit of Prophecy,
00:49:38.94\00:49:40.61
we do believe that the
latter rain's going to fall.
00:49:40.64\00:49:43.21
So I mean, y'all
just need to be prepared.
00:49:43.24\00:49:46.72
But today $7,000 a month.
00:49:46.75\00:49:49.92
I used to have a
real good friend,
00:49:49.95\00:49:51.55
or he still a good friend, you
know, he was in oil business,
00:49:51.59\00:49:54.69
mortgage was $10,000 a month.
00:49:54.72\00:49:56.96
Oil dropped nearly to nothing.
00:49:56.99\00:49:59.26
He still pays $10,000 a month.
00:49:59.29\00:50:01.96
And I remember he says,
00:50:02.00\00:50:03.47
JD I didn't know 30
days could go by so fast.
00:50:03.50\00:50:07.24
That's a hungry elephant.
00:50:07.27\00:50:09.17
And you know, it would be nice.
00:50:09.20\00:50:11.67
It would be nice to have
some people that would help you,
00:50:11.71\00:50:15.28
you know.
00:50:15.31\00:50:16.64
All right.
00:50:16.68\00:50:18.01
So what we want
to do, because I know
00:50:18.05\00:50:19.81
that you have invested
almost all of your funds already
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in the ministry and or have.
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And what we want to do is
give those of you at home,
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you're probably
familiar with Jesus For Asia,
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Jon and Natalie Wood.
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It's a beautiful ministry.
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But when you think of Indonesia,
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which is so hard to reach,
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because it has to
be in their language,
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and you're
reaching out to Muslims.
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If you would like
to be a missionary,
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if you would like to join them,
or maybe do some translation,
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or just support this work.
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Here's the address role
on how you can get in touch
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with Ramon and Shandy.
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If you would like to contact
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or know more
about Jesus For Asia,
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you can write to
them at PO Box 1221
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Collegedale, Tennessee 37315.
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You can also call
them at (423) 413-7321.
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That's (423) 413-7321.
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You can also email
them at info@jesus4asia.org
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That's info@jesus4asia.org
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or visit their website
at jesus4asia.org/indonesia
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That's jesus4asia.org/indonesia
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