As you're well aware,
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we're living in
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Join us now for
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people.
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Hello and welcome
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to another
edition of 3ABN Today.
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We are so excited
that you are joining us.
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We have a
powerful, powerful hour
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in which we're going
to open the Word of God
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and we're gonna dive
deep into a Bible topic
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that little misconstrued
in some people's minds
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but we're gonna set
the record clear today.
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Again, we thank
you for your love,
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your prayers and support,
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to take time to
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because it is our mission
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to take the Gospel to the world
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and undiluted
three angels' messages,
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and we praise the Lord for that.
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Before we go any further though,
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before we dive
deep into our topic,
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I want to...
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I want to introduce
this powerful panel.
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I've got a
couple of gentlemen here
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that are gonna join
me Brother John Lomacang,
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Pastor John Lomacang, my pastor.
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It's a blessing to have
you, brother, with us today.
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Good to be here. I'm
excited about the topic.
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I'm fired up.
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Amen. Fired...
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There's a reason why
he said he's fired up.
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We're gonna introduce
that in just a moment.
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And, of course,
Pastor Kenny Shelton,
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it's always a
blessing to have you, brother.
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It's always good to be here.
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And it is a hot topic.
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It is.
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Well, he's fired up.
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It's a hot topic.
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If you haven't
figured out by now,
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we are talking about hellfire.
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In fact, the official
title of this study today
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is Hellfire
Extinguishing the Myths.
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That's right, and we have a
couple of firemen right here.
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And we're gonna have probably
a very heated discussion
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on this topic today
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because it is a
very relevant topic
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for our time.
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If you are a Christian
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and you know
what the Bible teaches
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on this topic,
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then you know that
regardless of what you believe,
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you know that the
Bible speaks about hellfire
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and the
destruction of the wicked.
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And so we're gonna
do a study on this today
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to see what the Bible
teaches about hellfire,
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and then toward
the closing moments
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of our study this evening,
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we're going to
address some of the myths
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and we're gonna...
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we're gonna set the record
straight, aren't we, brothers?
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Yeah. That's right.
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We're gonna let the
Bible speak for itself
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and allow the
Word of God to tell us
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how to believe and
what we should believe
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on this important
subject of hellfire.
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So before we go any
further, Brother Kenny Shelton,
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I'm gonna kick it to you.
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If you would open
us in a Word of Prayer
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that'd be a blessing.
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Absolutely.
Let's pray, shall we?
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Loving Father in
heaven, truly is a privilege
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that we can gather
together to study Your word,
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what a blessing,
what a privilege it is
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but we realize we
cannot do anything
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without the power
of Thy Holy Spirit.
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We ask You to come
into our each of our hearts,
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each of our lives,
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illuminate these
beautiful truths,
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that we may be able to
share them with others.
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Thank You, Lord,
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for what You're
going to do today.
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Clearness of
mind, clearness of heart
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as we stand before Thee
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may now we ask that
the word would be anointed
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in a very special way.
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In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen. Praise the Lord.
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I assume gentlemen,
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you have your
fire suits ready and on
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and ready to go as we
dive into this topic Hellfire,
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and we're gonna
Extinguish the Myths.
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I want to start by bringing up
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a little bit of a
quote from an interview
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that was given
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toward the
beginning of this year.
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So this is referenced
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actually from back
in January of 2020.
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And this quote
that I'm about to read
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comes from an interview
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of someone who was
interviewing Aaron Rodgers.
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And you may not know
who Aaron Rodgers is,
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but he is
currently the quarterback
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for the Green Bay Packers.
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And this caught my attention
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as we were
preparing for this topic.
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I thought that
it really helped...
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it's gonna help us set
the tone really nicely.
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And notice what he says,
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in the midst of this
particular interview,
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Aaron Rodgers was being asked
about his Christian experience,
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being raised as a Christian.
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And, of course, now
today, unfortunately,
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he is no longer a Christian,
he does not believe in God.
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In fact, to quote
him, he says that it's...
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that he can't really resonate
with Christianity anymore.
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And one of the reasons why,
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well, this is what he says
in the interview, and I quote,
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he says, "I don't know
how you can believe in a God
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who wants to condemn
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most of the
planet to a fiery hell."
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Rogers continued,
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"What type of loving,
sensitive, omnipresent,
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omnipotent being
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wants to condemn
his beautiful creation
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to a fiery hell at
the end of all of this?"
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Wow!
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And unfortunately, you know,
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there are so many
people in the world today
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that have that same
thought, Brother Kenny.
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Absolutely.
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Pastor, you
probably ran into many people
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who you've
witness to over the years,
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who simply struggle
with their belief in God.
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And even if they
believe in a God,
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you'll hear people say,
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you know, "Even if
I did believe a God,
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why would I want to serve
a God who finds pleasure,"
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okay, I'm gonna use that word
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because we're gonna
bring up a text a little bit
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that's gonna
completely dismantle this
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but "who finds pleasure
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in seeing people roast and toast
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in a fiery hell
for all eternity?"
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just to put it very plainly.
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And so we're
gonna get into this.
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I wanna start by asking first
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before we get into
all of the logistics,
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what is the purpose of hellfire?
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We know that
hellfire is a real thing.
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It is a real event
that will take place
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but what is the
purpose of hellfire?
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Why does God need to
kindle the fires of hell?
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Let's go to Matthew 25:41.
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Okay.
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Matthew 25:41 is a
good place to start.
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I'm glad you
began with that question
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because a lot of people wonder,
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"Man, what is
the purpose of hell?"
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This passage
answers two questions
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and I want to just...
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I've seen this
passage in a beautiful way.
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Matthew 25:41.
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And it says,
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"Then He will also say
to those on the left hand,
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'Depart from me,
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you who are cursed
into the everlasting fire
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prepared for the
devil and his angels.'"
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Okay.
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So hell is prepared for
the devil and his angels.
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Yes. A number of things happen.
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A number of passages
or a number of points
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are brought out in this passage.
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Right. Absolutely.
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That we'll
answer in just a moment.
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So I'm gonna let that word,
that phrase, everlasting fire,
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hang out there a little bit.
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Right, right.
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So people might get
a clear understanding.
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Bottom line is,
hell is not prepared
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for those who the Lord loves.
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Right. Right.
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It's not prepared
for those who he created.
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It's not prepared
for the children of God.
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Yes.
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It was just for the
devil and his angels.
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That's right.
That's a beautiful point.
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So hell was never
intended to be for people.
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No.
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It was never intended
to destroy his creation.
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But
unfortunately, Brother Kenny...
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Mm-hmm. You know,
that is the reality.
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You wanna chime in on it? It is.
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Well, you know,
the reality of it,
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this subject, if misunderstood,
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has caused more
people to turn off from God.
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Right.
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To leave, they say at
the church to leave Christ
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because they don't have
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a proper
understanding of the word.
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And because...
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there's a lot in
print, and as you brought out,
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the quarterback
here making his statement
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I looked up something I
thought very interesting,
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I just love to share,
take couple of minutes,
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but just share that with you
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because these
things are out there.
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Oh, yeah.
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And because they're out there,
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people are reading
them and they believe them
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because they don't
know what the Bible is,
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you know, that
what man's written down,
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that's what they
believe rather than the Bible.
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Absolutely.
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And this is a
description of a bed of fire.
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Now this may not be
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for the young
people's ears and eyes.
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So mom and dad
need to pay attention,
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you know, if you
don't want to hear that,
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but we need to hear it
because this stuff's out there.
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That's why I think that
we're doing this program,
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because it's
essential that we understand
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because God's
character is being challenged.
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Absolutely. Amen.
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So I know we'll
talk more about that.
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This actually comes from
"Tracks of Spiritual Reading"
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by Jay Furness.
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It's a Catholic
publishing house,
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1882.
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Okay. Notice what it says.
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Excuse me, page 15.
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"A centralized..."
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so he gives a description here
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trying to scare people
into the church, I assume.
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Hmm.
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"A centralized chain down
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on a bed of
red-hot blazing fire.
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When a man sick of fever
is lying on even a soft bed,
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it's pleasant
sometimes to turn around.
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If the sick man
lies on the same side
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for a long time
the skin comes off.
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The flesh gets raw.
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How will it be when the..."
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notice this, "the
body has been laying
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on the same side
on the scorching,
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broiling fire
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for hundreds of
millions of years?"
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Wow.
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"Now, look at that body
lying on the bed of fire.
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All the body is
salted with fire.
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The fire burns
through every bone
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and every muscle.
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Every nerve is trembling
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and quivering with
all the sharp fire.
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The fine," notice this,
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"the fire rages
inside the skull.
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It shoots out through the eyes,
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it drops out through the ears.
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It roars in the throat.
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So will mortal
sinner be punished."
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And this thought here,
this to me brings again,
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I know that's kind of
gross if you think about it,
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but this was
published not just for adults,
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this was published
for the young people.
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Mm-hmm. Wow.
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This comes from
the editor's notes.
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Notice this, on this
and the other publication
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on this subject, it says,
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by William Meagher,
he was the vicar general.
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So we have an idea
where it comes from,
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right from Dublin,
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12/14/1855,
considering just what I read,
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if you will
notice, he says this,
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"I have carefully read
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over the little
volume for children,
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and have found nothing
whatsoever in it contrary
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to the doctrine
of the holy faith.
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But on the
contrary, a great deal,
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to charm and to instruct,
to edify our youthful classes,
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for whose benefit
it has been written.
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That's just, I mean,
to me, that's heavy duty,
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for the benefit.
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Absolutely, and it's
statements like that,
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that sometimes
where Christians, I think,
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do more harm to
the character of God
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and to the Gospel message...
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Sure. That's right.
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Than anyone. There you go.
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You know, when
you were reading that
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another thing came to my mind.
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I was thinking of
a particular message
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delivered by the famous
Congregationalist Anthony,
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excuse me, I almost
said Anthony Hopkins,
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not Anthony
Hopkins, Samuel Hopkins.
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This comes from around
the end of the 18th century.
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Notice what he said mid sermon.
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He was preaching
a sermon on this,
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and I heard
these type of sermons
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growing up all the time,
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just what you had mentioned.
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Yeah, wow.
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And this is what he said
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mid sermon in
reference to hellfire
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and how we the
saint should relate to it
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and how God relates to
this "hellfire" message.
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He said, in his sermon, he said,
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"The smoke of their
torment shall ascend up forever
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in the sight of the
blessed before their eyes,
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this display of
divine character and glory
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will be in favor of the redeemed
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and most entertaining."
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Oh, my.
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And he goes on to say,
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"And the highest
pleasure to those who love God,"
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did you catch that?
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The highest pleasure
to those who love God
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and we wonder why so many people
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are turned off by Christianity
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by some of the things
that we teach and say,
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and, in fact, he goes on to say,
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"Should the eternal torment
and the fires be extinguished?
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It would be in a
great measure," put...
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"it would be in great measure,
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put an end to the
happiness and glory
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of the blessing."
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Hmm.
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And these are some of
the thoughts and ideas
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that people have about hellfire.
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And, gentlemen, I can tell you
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being on the road out
there for the many years
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preaching and
teaching the gospel
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doing evangelistic series,
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it's amazing to me
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that when you go to teach
the truth about hellfire...
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That's right.
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How many people
get upset for the fact
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that you're
taking away their health,
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their belief of hellfire
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that it goes on
forever and ever,
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and that, you know,
wicked people are burning
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for ceaseless ages.
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But, Pastor, you
may have something
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that you wanna add to this
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but I want to
eventually open up the question
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which is, are there
people burning in hell today?
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Well, we'll answer
the question with a no
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and then we'll
show you a scripture.
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Sure. Simply in
Matthew Chapter 13.
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Let's go to
Matthew Chapter 13. Okay.
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You know, those
pictures that you drew
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and I'm familiar
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with the minister of the gospel
of the Free Thought in America,
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it was a minister
known by Robert Ingersoll.
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He's about talked
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about how his son
became an atheist.
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He didn't like God,
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didn't want to have
anything to do with God,
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because of his
father's description of hell.
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And what you talked
about and what you pointed out,
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there was a time
that people believed that,
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in order for people to be saved,
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we've got to scare
them into the kingdom.
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But that's contrary
to the character of God,
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contrary to God's character.
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We'll look at
Matthew Chapter 13.
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And in this parable of
the weed and the tares,
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the tares are
explained in verse 39, 40.
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I'll just go ahead
and bring this out.
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"The enemy who sowed them..."
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talking about the tares,
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"is the devil.
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The harvest is
the end of the age
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or the end of the world.
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And the reapers are the angels."
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Verse 40,
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"Therefore, as
the tares are gathered
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and burned in the fire,
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so it will be at
the end of this age
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or at the end of the world.
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That's right.
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So no one is in
hell burning now,
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like no one is in heaven.
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Not too long ago we
did a topic on death
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and what the
Bible says about death.
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No one, there's a day coming
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when the judgment of
one fate or the other
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as John 5:28, 29 brings out.
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Let's look at that real quickly.
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John 5:28, 29.
That's a good scripture.
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Because it shows
the chronology of this.
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The fire that
Matthew just talked about
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will be at the end of the world.
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Right.
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Do you have that...
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John 5:28, 29, the Bible says,
and this is Jesus speaking,
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"Do not marvel at this
for the hour is coming,
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in which all who
are in the graves
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will hear his
voice and come forth,
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those who have done good
to the resurrection of life,
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and those who have done evil
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to the
resurrection of condemnation."
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That's right.
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So you have two resurrections,
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the resurrection of life
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and the
resurrection of condemnation.
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The
resurrection of condemnation,
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is that judgment,
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is that judgment
of the fires of hell.
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And that's not happening now.
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That's gonna happen
at the end of the world.
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Okay.
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We're gonna talk about
that in just more detail
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as we go into the program.
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So that kind of answers
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kind of two of our
questions here and that is,
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are there people
burning in hell today?
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Pastor, you confirmed
according to Christ's parable
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likening hellfire
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and the
destruction of the wicked
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to those tares at the end.
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No, there aren't any
people burning in hell today.
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And it also answers the question
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of when will
hellfire take place.
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Because many people
think it's happening right now,
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as he brought up beautifully,
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hellfire is at
the end of the world
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or at the end of the age.
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And we'll get into that
in just a little bit more.
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Pastor Kenny, do
you have anything
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you wanna add to that?
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Well, you know,
there's a passage in the first,
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I think it's 1 Peter 4:17.
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And we use it for
other things sometime,
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but I think it's a
interesting thought
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because you talk
about the judgment.
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And when this is
going to take place he said,
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"For the time has come
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that judgment must begin
at the house of God for..."
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notice it,
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"what shall the end be of them
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that obey not
the gospel of God."
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With the word,
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what is what is
gonna be the end of it?
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And when does this take place?
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So I think this is
part of our discussion
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that we're having here.
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And the other part, I think
was when we were talking about
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what's the purpose of hellfire.
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We could say what the purpose,
there's maybe three or four,
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a lot more than that maybe.
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That is to get rid
of the enemy, right?
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That's right. Get
rid of sin and sinners.
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Sure. Absolutely.
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Ain't right?
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That's it. Get rid of sin.
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And the world can be
purified and certainly,
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and we need to
be that in this life
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to be ready for
the coming of Jesus.
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Absolutely.
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You know, there may be
someone at home right now
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that's saying, okay,
00:16:29.22\00:16:30.55
you're saying that hellfire
is at the end of the world.
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You're saying
there's no one in hell today.
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So then, well, what
about those wicked people
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that have died
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all the
ceaseless ages, from past?
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And a couple of
scriptures that came to mind.
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I want to start
Job Chapter 21 here.
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Job 21:29.
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And we're also gonna read
on to verse 30, and 32 here,
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so Job Chapter 21,
beginning in verse 29.
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He's asking a question here.
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He says, "Have
you asked them..."
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and this I think is
from the King James Version
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says, "Have you asked them
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to go by the way
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and do you not
know their tokens?"
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And then he speaks
about the wicked he says,
00:16:59.65\00:17:01.82
"That the wicked
is..." and here's the word,
00:17:01.85\00:17:04.09
"reserved to the
day of destruction.
00:17:04.12\00:17:06.89
I think I've brought
this out in a previous program
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before that hellfire
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as we're gonna see
there's many references
00:17:11.43\00:17:13.29
that just as we have the
day of the Lord, you know,
00:17:13.33\00:17:15.93
we know that
Jesus is coming back,
00:17:15.96\00:17:17.37
and in His Second Coming,
00:17:17.40\00:17:18.73
it's all gonna
happen in one single day.
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There's also the
day of destruction.
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It says that the
wicked will be reserved
00:17:22.84\00:17:24.71
to the day of destruction.
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Hellfire will
happen in one single day
00:17:26.31\00:17:28.91
at the end of the world.
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But then notice, speaking
of where are those wicked,
00:17:30.35\00:17:32.18
we know that
they're reserved right now.
00:17:32.21\00:17:33.75
But where are
they being reserved?
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It says they
shall be brought forth
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to the day of
wrath, there it is again,
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but then notice
verse 32, of Job 21,
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it says, "Yet
shall he be brought
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to the grave and
shall remain in the tomb."
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That's right.
00:17:44.69\00:17:46.03
So that confirms that there's
just like even the righteous
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who have went to
sleep in the Lord,
00:17:48.83\00:17:51.07
they are in the grave
sleeping until Jesus returns,
00:17:51.10\00:17:54.97
or in this case, the wicked
00:17:55.00\00:17:56.74
obviously until
this day of wrath,
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which we'll see
in just a little bit
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where that's going to be.
00:18:00.51\00:18:01.84
Even 2 Peter 2:9
says the same thing
00:18:01.88\00:18:04.45
that "The Lord knows
how to deliver the godly
00:18:04.48\00:18:06.35
out of
temptations and to reserve, "
00:18:06.38\00:18:08.62
there it is again, "the
unjust into the day of judgment
00:18:08.65\00:18:12.02
to be punished."
00:18:12.05\00:18:13.69
So they're simply
just sleeping in the grave
00:18:13.76\00:18:16.62
until Jesus comes back.
00:18:16.66\00:18:18.53
So I want to ask the question,
00:18:18.56\00:18:21.53
how long will people
burn in the lake of fire?
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So we know that it's
at the end of the age,
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okay, we're gonna
talk about that timeframe
00:18:27.14\00:18:28.67
in just a moment.
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But most people believe pastors
00:18:30.11\00:18:32.64
that hellfire is
gonna be for long, long,
00:18:32.67\00:18:36.28
you know,
infinite amount of time
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where people are gonna be...
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their souls are
gonna be burning.
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And, you know, I
was taught growing up
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that the devil is down
there with his pitchfork,
00:18:43.39\00:18:45.22
you know, making sure
00:18:45.25\00:18:46.59
that everyone's
being evenly roasted
00:18:46.62\00:18:48.22
and toasted on all sides,
00:18:48.26\00:18:49.76
horrible image, horrible image.
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But how long will people
burn in the lake of fire?
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Well, let's start
with Revelation 22:12.
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is the first place to begin
00:18:57.40\00:19:01.20
and as is the case,
00:19:01.24\00:19:04.64
God is a just God.
00:19:04.67\00:19:06.21
Mm-hmm.
00:19:06.24\00:19:07.58
When you go to court,
00:19:07.61\00:19:08.94
do you think that the
person with a speeding ticket
00:19:08.98\00:19:11.38
is gonna get the same sentence
as a person who's a murderer?
00:19:11.41\00:19:15.58
No. Right.
00:19:15.62\00:19:17.22
Because why,
00:19:17.29\00:19:18.62
the punishment
has to fit the crimes.
00:19:18.65\00:19:20.96
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:19:20.99\00:19:22.32
The punishment fits the crime.
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Revelation 22:12 says,
00:19:23.76\00:19:25.46
"And behold, I
am coming quickly,
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and my reward is with me to give
00:19:27.60\00:19:29.60
to everyone
according to his work,
00:19:29.63\00:19:32.20
or according as
his work shall be."
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Mm-hmm.
00:19:33.64\00:19:34.97
So according to the
crime the punishment will be.
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There will be varying
degrees of punishment,
00:19:39.64\00:19:42.38
but the one thing
we can be assured of,
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now let's go to Romans 6:23.
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Okay.
00:19:46.31\00:19:47.65
We can be sure
that they're gonna be
00:19:47.68\00:19:49.02
varying degrees,
00:19:49.05\00:19:50.59
but Romans 6:23
makes it very, very clear
00:19:50.62\00:19:53.46
what the end
result is going to be.
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"I know by heart the
wages of sin is death."
00:19:56.12\00:19:58.46
That's right.
00:19:58.49\00:19:59.83
"But the gift of
God is eternal life
00:19:59.86\00:20:01.20
in Christ Jesus our Lord."
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The wages of sin is death.
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Then now go to Revelation 20:6.
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Okay.
00:20:07.17\00:20:08.50
Okay, because we
have to link them
00:20:08.54\00:20:09.87
all together.
00:20:09.90\00:20:11.24
That's right. That's
right. Revelation 20:6.
00:20:11.27\00:20:13.98
And this is what the Bible says,
00:20:14.01\00:20:17.05
it says, "Blessed and holy is he
00:20:17.08\00:20:19.78
who has part in
the first resurrection
00:20:19.81\00:20:23.42
over such the
second death has no power."
00:20:23.49\00:20:27.36
The second death is
the judgment of the wicked.
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And look at the very last verse,
00:20:31.53\00:20:32.99
Revelation 20:15,
00:20:33.03\00:20:35.70
verse 14, and 15.
00:20:35.73\00:20:37.57
It says, "Then
death and the grave
00:20:37.60\00:20:39.90
or death and hell or Hades
00:20:39.93\00:20:42.27
were cast into
the lake of fire."
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This is the second death,
00:20:44.37\00:20:46.21
and anyone not found
written in the Book of Life
00:20:46.24\00:20:48.48
was cast into the lake of fire.
00:20:48.51\00:20:50.85
So this is the second death,
00:20:50.88\00:20:52.55
but notice, it's
the second death.
00:20:52.58\00:20:54.68
So here's the key.
00:20:54.72\00:20:56.25
Death, death.
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The first death is as
long as they're in the grave.
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Right.
00:21:00.96\00:21:02.29
The second death is as
long as they're in the fire,
00:21:02.32\00:21:04.93
and the fire is not...
00:21:04.96\00:21:07.53
the fire has
eternal consequences.
00:21:07.60\00:21:10.57
There you go.
Now let's go to Jude.
00:21:10.60\00:21:12.30
Yeah.
00:21:12.33\00:21:13.67
Jude.
00:21:13.74\00:21:15.07
And I'm gonna throw
it back to Pastor Kenny
00:21:15.10\00:21:16.50
because I know there
are some passages here.
00:21:16.54\00:21:18.71
Jude is only one
chapter and verse seven.
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Look at the
eternal aspects of it.
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Because remember,
00:21:24.98\00:21:26.31
the only ones that
receive eternal life
00:21:26.35\00:21:27.68
are the righteous,
00:21:27.72\00:21:29.05
you have to be
able to live forever,
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to be able to burn forever.
00:21:30.49\00:21:31.82
Yes.
00:21:31.85\00:21:33.19
And I know that
people are thinking,
00:21:33.22\00:21:34.56
well, what about the soul?
00:21:34.59\00:21:35.92
We'll get to
that in Matthew 10:28.
00:21:35.96\00:21:37.29
Here it is.
00:21:37.33\00:21:38.66
Jude only one
chapter, verse seven,
00:21:38.69\00:21:40.53
"As Sodom and Gomorrah
and the cities around them
00:21:40.60\00:21:42.93
in are similar manner to these,
00:21:42.96\00:21:45.90
having given themselves
over to sexual immorality,
00:21:45.93\00:21:50.51
and gone after strange flesh
00:21:50.54\00:21:53.78
are set forth as an example,
00:21:53.81\00:21:56.88
suffering the
vengeance," of what?
00:21:56.95\00:22:00.22
All right. "Eternal fire."
00:22:00.25\00:22:02.82
Notice, the fire has
eternal consequences.
00:22:02.85\00:22:05.72
Yes. Right.
00:22:05.75\00:22:07.09
Not the process.
00:22:07.16\00:22:08.59
Because, I mean, think about
it how long would it take for me
00:22:08.62\00:22:10.63
to burn this booklet?
00:22:10.66\00:22:11.99
Yeah. Right.
00:22:12.03\00:22:13.40
How long would it take
for me to burn my house?
00:22:13.43\00:22:14.76
Well, this book
was not gonna burn
00:22:14.80\00:22:16.13
as long as the house.
00:22:16.16\00:22:17.50
That's right.
00:22:17.53\00:22:18.87
And the house is not
gonna burn as long as a forest.
00:22:18.90\00:22:20.27
And the forest is not gonna burn
00:22:20.34\00:22:21.67
as long as a pitch of tar.
00:22:21.70\00:22:23.24
Yes, yeah.
00:22:23.27\00:22:24.61
Each has a
different context. Right.
00:22:24.64\00:22:26.21
But when there's
no more tar left,
00:22:26.24\00:22:28.91
fire is gonna go out.
00:22:28.94\00:22:30.78
But the results
will be permanent.
00:22:30.85\00:22:32.48
Pastor Kenny.
00:22:32.51\00:22:33.85
Well, I'm just
thinking along that
00:22:33.92\00:22:35.25
because your
question was asked how long,
00:22:35.28\00:22:36.82
you know, how long will it be?
00:22:36.89\00:22:38.22
Well, get you
very clearly. Right.
00:22:38.25\00:22:40.69
Bible says
according to Romans 2:6,
00:22:40.76\00:22:42.46
according to our deeds,
00:22:42.49\00:22:44.13
I think this word...
00:22:44.16\00:22:45.49
Yeah, according to our
deeds in Luke 12:47, 48,
00:22:45.53\00:22:48.73
talking about there it says,
00:22:48.76\00:22:50.10
"The servant who
knew his master's
00:22:50.17\00:22:51.60
will did not," what?
00:22:51.63\00:22:52.97
"Do according to his
will shall be beaten with, "
00:22:53.00\00:22:54.44
how many?
00:22:54.47\00:22:55.80
"Many strives, but
he who did not know
00:22:55.84\00:22:58.04
yet committed things
00:22:58.07\00:22:59.41
deserving of strives
shall be beaten with few."
00:22:59.44\00:23:02.71
So, again, the simple
answer to the question will be
00:23:02.74\00:23:05.48
Pastor John covered it well,
00:23:05.51\00:23:06.85
the simple answer would be
00:23:06.92\00:23:08.25
how long does people
burn in the lake of fire?
00:23:08.28\00:23:10.59
The Bible doesn't
give an exact time.
00:23:10.62\00:23:12.65
But it says,
according to our deeds,
00:23:12.69\00:23:15.16
would that not be
according to our lifestyle,
00:23:15.19\00:23:17.76
choices that we
make, what we do,
00:23:17.79\00:23:20.20
or maybe left undone
00:23:20.23\00:23:21.96
in this life that
we'll be judged by.
00:23:22.00\00:23:24.27
And to me, it just makes...
00:23:24.30\00:23:25.63
To me, it makes a lot of sense,
00:23:25.67\00:23:27.64
you think about how just
00:23:27.67\00:23:29.00
and good and
merciful that God is
00:23:29.04\00:23:31.21
that he knows
all of these things?
00:23:31.24\00:23:33.38
Right. Right?
00:23:33.41\00:23:34.74
No one's gonna get a
raw deal in the judgment.
00:23:34.78\00:23:37.55
Everyone will be judged
according to their deeds,
00:23:37.58\00:23:39.38
and God has them all down.
00:23:39.41\00:23:40.92
So we won't be
able to blame anybody,
00:23:40.95\00:23:42.68
but maybe our self
is the end results.
00:23:42.72\00:23:44.99
So I like that question.
00:23:45.02\00:23:46.39
And I can see the
goodness and mercy of God
00:23:46.42\00:23:49.29
just coming out
00:23:49.32\00:23:50.73
through this
passage of scripture.
00:23:50.76\00:23:52.43
And for anyone to say today
00:23:52.46\00:23:55.56
and people said this to
me and I'm sure to you too,
00:23:55.60\00:23:57.87
"Seventh-day Adventists
don't believe in a hellfire."
00:23:57.90\00:24:00.64
They say...
00:24:00.67\00:24:02.00
And what do we say?
00:24:02.04\00:24:03.37
We believe in a
hotter one than you do.
00:24:03.41\00:24:04.74
Hotter.
00:24:04.77\00:24:06.11
Hotter hell than anybody
00:24:06.14\00:24:07.48
because we believe
it's gonna burn things up.
00:24:07.51\00:24:08.84
As a matter of fact,
00:24:08.88\00:24:10.21
and not only do we believe that,
00:24:10.25\00:24:11.58
but that's what the Bible says.
00:24:11.61\00:24:12.95
That's it.
00:24:12.98\00:24:14.32
That where we're
about to go to, you know.
00:24:14.35\00:24:15.68
They're not gonna burn forever.
00:24:15.72\00:24:17.05
We've established that,
00:24:17.09\00:24:18.42
it's gonna
happen in a single day.
00:24:18.45\00:24:19.79
Yes.
00:24:19.82\00:24:21.16
But on this single day,
00:24:21.19\00:24:22.52
what's going to
happen to these wicked?
00:24:22.56\00:24:24.23
What is hellfire
gonna do to them?
00:24:24.26\00:24:26.90
Maybe let's jump
into Malachi Chapter four.
00:24:26.93\00:24:29.03
Pastor Kenny, why
don't you take us there,
00:24:29.06\00:24:30.87
Malachi Chapter
four and then, Pastor,
00:24:30.90\00:24:33.00
let me have
00:24:33.03\00:24:34.37
a couple of your
scriptures as well.
00:24:34.40\00:24:35.74
Let me...
00:24:35.77\00:24:37.11
In respect, change
the chronology of that.
00:24:37.14\00:24:38.54
Okay.
00:24:38.57\00:24:39.91
First, let's
address the question
00:24:39.94\00:24:41.28
that a lot of people
00:24:41.31\00:24:42.64
probably tapping on the
screen of the television.
00:24:42.68\00:24:44.51
What about this text?
00:24:44.55\00:24:47.25
What about that text? Right.
00:24:47.32\00:24:48.65
Because in
Revelation as you go on there,
00:24:48.68\00:24:50.29
and you go to Malachi,
00:24:50.32\00:24:51.65
so I'm gonna read
this in Revelation.
00:24:51.69\00:24:53.02
And then when
you go to Malachi 4,
00:24:53.05\00:24:54.39
it's gonna go ahead
and put this in context.
00:24:54.42\00:24:55.76
All right.
00:24:55.79\00:24:57.13
Revelation 14:11.
00:24:57.16\00:24:59.29
It says and, verse 10, actually,
00:24:59.33\00:25:02.00
"He, himself, "
00:25:02.03\00:25:03.37
speaking about
those who received
00:25:03.40\00:25:04.73
the mark of the beast,
00:25:04.77\00:25:06.10
"shall also drink of the
wine of the wrath of God,
00:25:06.13\00:25:07.47
which is poured
out full strength
00:25:07.54\00:25:08.87
into the cup of His indignation.
00:25:08.90\00:25:10.41
And he shall be tormented..."
00:25:10.44\00:25:11.91
Come on now.
00:25:11.94\00:25:13.27
"With fire and brimstone
00:25:13.31\00:25:14.91
in the presence
of the holy angels
00:25:14.94\00:25:16.61
and in the
presence of the Lamb."
00:25:16.64\00:25:17.98
Right.
00:25:18.01\00:25:19.35
And verse 11,
00:25:19.38\00:25:20.72
"And the smoke of their torment,
00:25:20.75\00:25:22.08
ascends forever and ever,
00:25:22.12\00:25:25.25
and they have no
rest day or night,
00:25:25.29\00:25:27.66
who worship the
beast and his image,
00:25:27.69\00:25:29.49
and whoever receives
the mark of his name."
00:25:29.52\00:25:32.06
Some people say,
now handle that one.
00:25:32.09\00:25:35.46
Okay, I just made the point.
00:25:35.50\00:25:36.87
I made the point a moment ago
00:25:36.90\00:25:38.23
and Pastor Kenny
is gonna confirm it.
00:25:38.27\00:25:39.60
Right.
00:25:39.63\00:25:40.97
They'll be burning as long
as there's something to burn,
00:25:41.00\00:25:42.80
but no one that's not righteous
00:25:42.84\00:25:45.64
has anything eternal about them.
00:25:45.67\00:25:47.64
And I'll confirm this
after you read Malachi.
00:25:47.68\00:25:50.05
You're going to
Malachi now, right?
00:25:50.08\00:25:51.41
Malachi 4:1, 3.
00:25:51.45\00:25:54.32
Malachi 4:1, 3 says,
"For, behold, the day cometh,
00:25:54.35\00:25:58.39
that shall burn as an
oven, and all the proud, yea,
00:25:58.42\00:26:02.36
and all that do
wickedly, shall be stubble.
00:26:02.39\00:26:06.73
And the day that
cometh shall burn them up,
00:26:06.80\00:26:09.13
saith the Lord of hosts,
00:26:09.16\00:26:10.60
that it shall leave them
neither root nor branch."
00:26:10.67\00:26:13.44
Mm-hmm. Now let's go to 3.
00:26:13.47\00:26:15.50
"And ye shall
tread down the wicked,
00:26:15.54\00:26:17.34
for they shall be ashes
under the soles of your feet
00:26:17.41\00:26:20.18
in the day that I shall do this,
00:26:20.21\00:26:22.01
saith the Lord."
00:26:22.04\00:26:23.38
Several quick
words you just look at,
00:26:23.45\00:26:24.78
behold the day cometh
that shall burn as an oven.
00:26:24.81\00:26:26.82
Right. We're
talking about a hot oven.
00:26:26.85\00:26:28.18
One single day.
00:26:28.22\00:26:29.55
One single day and all the proud
00:26:29.58\00:26:30.92
and all do
wickedly is going to be,
00:26:30.99\00:26:32.32
notice, there's a
word there, stubble.
00:26:32.35\00:26:33.69
Right.
00:26:33.72\00:26:35.06
You can look that
up, that's nothing left,
00:26:35.09\00:26:36.42
all the goods
are gone, it's gone,
00:26:36.46\00:26:37.79
it's gonna be reduced
to ashes it's said here,
00:26:37.83\00:26:39.16
"The day cometh
will burn them up."
00:26:39.19\00:26:40.53
That means
completely annihilated,
00:26:40.56\00:26:42.10
burned up means, destroyed.
00:26:42.13\00:26:43.57
There's nothing left to
burn as you brought out here.
00:26:43.60\00:26:46.74
That's when hellfire goes out.
00:26:46.77\00:26:48.24
And there's a little
passage we'll get into
00:26:48.27\00:26:49.60
as we go through there.
00:26:49.64\00:26:51.27
You shall tread down,
who's that talking about,
00:26:51.31\00:26:53.21
"Ye shall tread
down the wicked"?
00:26:53.24\00:26:55.88
Who's gonna be
left? The righteous.
00:26:55.91\00:26:57.75
Righteous are the
only ones to be left,
00:26:57.78\00:26:59.11
the righteous will
tread on the ashes.
00:26:59.15\00:27:00.52
Right?
00:27:00.55\00:27:01.88
It's not gonna go on and
on and burning, you know,
00:27:01.92\00:27:04.09
because you talk about hellfire,
00:27:04.12\00:27:05.62
if it's going on even right now
00:27:05.65\00:27:07.19
and that's some
things I know we all throw in
00:27:07.26\00:27:08.86
as we go here and
get deeper into it.
00:27:08.89\00:27:11.09
If hellfire is
going, about right now
00:27:11.13\00:27:14.00
then it's gonna go
00:27:14.03\00:27:15.36
throughout all
eternity right now,
00:27:15.40\00:27:16.87
it's very interesting
that there's no place
00:27:16.90\00:27:19.87
that seemed
like in the universe,
00:27:19.90\00:27:21.74
that there's gonna be
a hellfire that's burning
00:27:21.77\00:27:23.91
and burning and
burning and burning.
00:27:23.94\00:27:25.67
We would all be aware of it.
00:27:25.71\00:27:27.11
Right. Yeah.
00:27:27.18\00:27:28.51
Yeah. And 2 Peter...
00:27:28.54\00:27:29.88
Uh-oh!
00:27:29.91\00:27:31.25
I'm gonna dive there, 2 Peter,
look at 2 Peter Chapter 3,
00:27:31.28\00:27:33.62
look at verse 11, and
then we're gonna go ahead
00:27:33.65\00:27:35.45
and confirm it really clearly.
00:27:35.48\00:27:36.92
Okay.
00:27:36.99\00:27:38.32
2 Peter 3? I'll
start actually...
00:27:38.35\00:27:39.69
2 Peter 3:10 and 11. Okay.
00:27:39.72\00:27:41.49
It says, "But
the day of the Lord
00:27:41.52\00:27:43.02
will come as a
thief in the night
00:27:43.06\00:27:44.96
in which the
heavens will pass away
00:27:44.99\00:27:46.59
with a great noise,
00:27:46.63\00:27:48.43
and the elements
will melt with, "
00:27:48.46\00:27:50.10
the elements will melt...
00:27:50.17\00:27:51.50
Thank you.
00:27:51.53\00:27:52.87
"With fervent heat." Yes.
00:27:52.90\00:27:54.24
"The earth also,
00:27:54.27\00:27:55.90
and the works that
are in it," will be what?
00:27:55.94\00:27:59.71
"Burned up." Right.
00:27:59.74\00:28:01.58
And so burned up
is, what you just read.
00:28:01.61\00:28:05.11
Verse 11.
00:28:05.15\00:28:06.48
"Therefore,
since all these things
00:28:06.51\00:28:07.85
will be dissolved..."
00:28:07.88\00:28:09.22
Right.
00:28:09.25\00:28:10.59
"What manner of
person ought you to be
00:28:10.62\00:28:11.99
in all holy
conduct and godliness.
00:28:12.02\00:28:15.29
Looking for and hastening
the coming of the day of God,
00:28:15.32\00:28:18.53
because of which the
heavens will be dissolved
00:28:18.56\00:28:22.46
being on fire
00:28:22.50\00:28:23.87
and the elements will
melt with fervent heat."
00:28:23.90\00:28:26.30
Okay. So who's
gonna be on the earth?
00:28:26.33\00:28:27.67
Nevertheless, we,
according to His promise,
00:28:27.70\00:28:30.61
look for a new heaven,
00:28:30.64\00:28:32.14
new heavens and a new earth
in which righteousness dwells.
00:28:32.17\00:28:35.58
Right. Not the wicked.
00:28:35.61\00:28:37.05
So there's no
place where they'll be...
00:28:37.08\00:28:38.41
So I'm gonna pitch
forward a challenge here
00:28:38.45\00:28:39.91
because there's gonna be
someone watching this who says,
00:28:39.95\00:28:42.25
"Okay, Pastor, yeah,
00:28:42.28\00:28:44.59
you said that we
don't burn forever
00:28:44.62\00:28:45.95
in the sense that we
burn up but that's our bodies.
00:28:45.99\00:28:48.29
Our souls are gonna get
burned for forever and ever."
00:28:48.32\00:28:51.99
So I want to talk
about the soul aspect
00:28:52.03\00:28:54.00
and also how do we...
00:28:54.03\00:28:55.36
Is there any evidence
biblically that we can say,
00:28:55.40\00:28:57.47
okay, forever...
00:28:57.50\00:28:58.83
what does it mean
scripturally to burn forever.
00:28:58.87\00:29:02.07
So let's jump
into that a little bit.
00:29:02.10\00:29:03.44
Let's talk about the soul aspect
00:29:03.51\00:29:04.84
and burning forever.
00:29:04.87\00:29:06.21
What does the
Bible mean by that?
00:29:06.24\00:29:07.58
Well, here's a soul aspect,
00:29:07.61\00:29:08.94
I'm gonna throw it
back to Pastor Kenny.
00:29:08.98\00:29:10.31
Matthew 10:28 is the gavel.
00:29:10.35\00:29:14.75
It is the gavel of the fact
that the soul is not eternal.
00:29:14.78\00:29:19.02
It's the gavel.
00:29:19.05\00:29:20.39
In Ezekiel 18:4, Pastor Kenny,
maybe you want to bring...
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you probably already have it.
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But look what the Bible says,
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and this is the words of Jesus
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talking about
you got to understand
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who to fear.
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It says, "And do not
fear those who kill the body
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but cannot kill the soul."
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The word there, soul talks...
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is the Greek word that
means the whole person.
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That means his thinking,
his life record, his breathing,
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all the things that contributed
to that person's existence.
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So it's not some translucent,
ghostly apparition in us.
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No.
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But lot of people
stop right there and say,
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"See, the soul is eternal."
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But if you read
the rest of the text,
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it shows you the soul is not.
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Yes.
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"But rather fear
Him," that is God,
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"who is able to destroy
both, soul and body in hell."
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And the word there,
Gehenna is the lake of fire.
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Right.
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He's able to
destroy the soul in hell.
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So the soul is not
eternal, Ezekiel 18:4,
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"The soul that
sinneth, it shall die."
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So this whole theory ideology
came out of Neoplatonism,
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that's where the Catholics
brought these teachings
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about purgatorial limbo,
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and they use that
to seduce people to,
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you know, pay money
during the Dark Ages,
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for something
that really didn't have
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any support in the Bible.
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Absolutely.
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Pastor Kenny, you
wanna add to that?
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So what I get out of
that, what He's talking about,
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here the soul then,
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talking about here
as three different,
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I jot down three
different meanings of it.
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The living being with the...
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which is Genesis 2:7,
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with the mind in the
book of Psalms 1:39, 40,
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and just what life.
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We see life here, 1 Samuel 18:1
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refers to the eternal
life in that aspect of it,
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and those who make heaven...
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notice, if you're gonna make it,
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no one can take
it away from you.
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You know, Bible talks about,
if we're in the hand of God,
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right, no man can take you out.
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We can get out if we want
to, but no man can take us out.
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So in this, I see
that God is telling us,
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it meant, I think, was forever.
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Yeah.
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We're talking
about forever here.
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It's used a lot
of times in scripture
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and you will have more to
say about that in just a moment.
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But many times, but when you do,
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you can read
passages of scripture,
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that forever in
the English, right,
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language does not mean
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what it does in the
Greek or the Hebrew.
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Right.
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You know, in the
sense, and then "forever"
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it depends on what
you're talking about.
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If you're talking about
heaven and angels and God,
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it's one thing,
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you're talking about
human being life in here,
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it has a
different meaning on here.
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For instance, you
know, in Jonah 2:6,
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"Forever, man..." what?
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How many days? Three.
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Three days. Right.
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He said he's forever
in the belly of the whale.
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Yes. That's a
good point. That was...
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Forever was three days.
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So we look at the
context right of it
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and look at the
meaning of the word
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and what is talking about here.
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"As long as they live...
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What was 1 Samuel
talking about there?
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Right?
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You serve in the courts forever.
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Forever.
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And did he,
forever, is he still there?
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No.
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But it was long as he...
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as long as he
lived, just like here,
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we stay as long as we live,
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as long as we have
life and breath and so on.
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But that time is
coming, you know, the wicked,
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it's gonna be snuffed.
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That's right. That's right. Yes.
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And we almost forgot earlier.
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Sodom and Gomorrah was
burned with eternal fire.
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Thank you. That's right.
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Well, let's ask the
question. There you go.
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Could anybody ask the question?
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Is Sodom and
Gomorrah still burning?
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Right. No.
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And that's what...
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Just to add what
you're saying there,
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the scripture actually
says unquenchable fire.
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Right.
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So somebody would
take that literal and say,
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unquenchable fire
never can be put out,
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but you're
making the point that...
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That's right.
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Man cannot quench it. Right.
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But when God
accomplishes the purpose
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for which he ordained the fire,
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there's nothing
that'll be left out
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because Pastor
Kenny, and Pastor Ryan,
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you can't get past the
fact that the Bible says,
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"They shall be ashes
under the soles of our feet."
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That's right. I know, right.
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And when you go to Psalm 37,
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look at Psalm 37
real quick, we notice...
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Psalm 37, Psalm
makes it very, very clear.
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Yes. Psalm 37.
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And look at verse 20.
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Twenty. Okay.
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Psalm 37:20.
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Yeah, Psalm 37:20 says,
"But the wicked shall perish,
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and the enemies of the Lord
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like the splendor of the meadows
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shall vanish into smoke,
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they shall vanish away."
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Okay.
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And then also, Psalm
37, I believe is verse 10.
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Okay, Psalm 37:10 says,
"For yet a little while,
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and the wicked shall be no more
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indeed, you will look
carefully for his place,
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but it shall be no more."
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That actually goes along
with Obadiah Chapter one,
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which referring
to the wicked says
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they will be as
though they had now been.
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Now read verse nine.
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Oh, verse nine,
the same chapter, okay.
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It says, "For
evildoers shall be cut off
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but those who wait on the Lord,
they shall inherit the earth."
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Okay, watch this now.
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This is powerful, who
is gonna inherit the earth?
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Those who wait on
the Lord... That's right.
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The meek shall inherit the earth
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not the weak, the humble.
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Right.
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Those who rely on the
Lord will inherit the earth,
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which means,
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if the evildoers
are gonna be cut off,
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how are they gonna be cut off?
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In the fire their
smoke is gonna go up.
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And as John has
shown this conflagration
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in the Book of Revelation,
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remember he's
looking at this envision.
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How do you think that
picture presents itself,
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John has not envisioned
until all the fire goes out.
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He sees a smoke of their torment
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just ascending up,
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"This is amazing,"
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he's seeing the world on fire.
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He's writing down what he sees,
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and it looks like it's
forever and ever and ever.
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He's shown that last
judgment, everything on fire.
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But Peter adding to that says,
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"Yeah, John, but
it's gonna be dissolved."
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Yes.
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And then, "Yes, John..."
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Malachi says, "Yes, John,
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but it's gonna be ashes."
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Right.
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So put the whole
picture together.
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Don't just create a
doctrine on one verse.
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Absolutely.
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And if the wicked live
forever, even in hellfire,
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what would that mean?
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Would that mean
they're immortal?
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Right.
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John 3:16. Yeah, yeah.
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Immortal there.
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Yeah, and the Bible
says that, only what?
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"Only God, in 1
Timothy, was it 6:15?
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"Only God has
immortality." Right.
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So I think, I like this
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that we have to weigh all
these things in scripture,
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and that's why we
do line upon line,
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precept upon precept
here little and there little.
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Therefore we
understand the truth instead,
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like many have
come to you and you,
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different ones to me and say,
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"It says everlasting.
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It says, you know,
everlasting punishment, "
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and so on and so
forth, instead of punishing.
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So these words we
have to look at here
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that make a big difference.
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Well, yeah, you just
referenced one right there.
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Matthew 25:41 and 46.
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I've had this people
ask me about this one.
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You know, "Ryan, you say
that it all comes to an end.
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But the scripture
that Jesus says there
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in Matthew 25:41 and 46,
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the wicked will be cast
into everlasting fire, "
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everlasting, and, of course,
00:35:45.84\00:35:47.18
"everlasting punishment, "
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and you made a good point there.
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There's a difference
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between
everlasting punishment...
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Come on.
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And everlasting punishing, okay.
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And I would just want
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to bring this out really quickly
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before we dive
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into a couple of
other texts here.
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Everlasting, again,
00:36:01.12\00:36:02.46
everlasting punishment
and everlasting punishing
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are drastically different.
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Everlasting punishing
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communicates a sense
of continuance, right?
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Yes.
00:36:09.26\00:36:10.60
But everlasting
punishment can mean
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a definite period of time,
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like forever,
forever in the Bible
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can mean a
definite period of time
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until it's served its purpose.
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And I just made
a little note here.
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The result...
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Because a lot of people
say, "Wait a second, hold on.
00:36:21.48\00:36:23.11
You're saying that
hellfire is not forever
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in the sense that
heaven is forever, right?"
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Because, you know, we
believe that literally,
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forever the righteous
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will be with
Christ for all eternity.
00:36:33.59\00:36:36.86
And so there are some
texts that seem to say
00:36:36.93\00:36:39.53
that hellfire is for
all eternity unquenchable,
00:36:39.56\00:36:43.77
everlasting, everlasting fire,
00:36:43.80\00:36:45.77
everlasting punishment forever,
00:36:45.80\00:36:47.97
the smoke of their
torment ascendeth up forever,
00:36:48.00\00:36:50.71
day and night.
00:36:50.74\00:36:52.07
And so they read these
texts, they say, "Wait a second.
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It's the same for
both, heaven and hell.
00:36:54.01\00:36:55.81
It's forever in eternal."
00:36:55.84\00:36:57.35
But what we
have to understand is
00:36:57.38\00:36:58.71
it's not the act
in and of itself,
00:36:58.75\00:37:00.32
but rather notice,
00:37:00.35\00:37:01.68
the results...
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That's right.
00:37:03.08\00:37:04.42
Of redemption and
judgment will be everlasting.
00:37:04.45\00:37:07.56
Let me say that again,
00:37:07.59\00:37:08.92
the results of both
redemption and judgment
00:37:08.96\00:37:12.16
will be everlasting.
00:37:12.19\00:37:13.53
So because I am
reading the results of my...
00:37:13.60\00:37:16.33
of Christ's
righteousness in my life
00:37:16.36\00:37:18.80
gives me the
gift of eternal life,
00:37:18.83\00:37:20.67
which is never ending,
00:37:20.74\00:37:22.07
that's the result of
that the redemptive life.
00:37:22.10\00:37:25.21
However, the judgment aspect,
00:37:25.24\00:37:27.81
it's until it
serves its purpose.
00:37:27.84\00:37:30.05
Okay? Right.
00:37:30.08\00:37:31.41
So it's not this never-ending
00:37:31.45\00:37:32.78
ongoing forever and
ever and ever and ever,
00:37:32.81\00:37:35.22
and so forth and so on.
00:37:35.25\00:37:36.58
So that being said,
00:37:36.62\00:37:38.09
let's jump into
something else here
00:37:38.12\00:37:39.45
that I think is
valuable and important.
00:37:39.49\00:37:41.39
In fact, we may even take
00:37:41.42\00:37:42.76
the remaining new
few minutes we have here
00:37:42.79\00:37:44.56
until our closing break,
00:37:44.59\00:37:45.96
to pick apart
00:37:45.99\00:37:47.33
probably one of
the biggest stories
00:37:47.40\00:37:49.66
that was often
tossed to me and said,
00:37:49.70\00:37:52.40
"Ryan, I hear what
you're saying about hell.
00:37:52.43\00:37:54.97
I hear what you're
saying that, you know,
00:37:55.00\00:37:56.71
everyone burns up in a day
00:37:56.74\00:37:58.11
and that it's at
the end of the world.
00:37:58.14\00:37:59.91
But, hey, what about the story
of the rich man and Lazarus?"
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Luke Chapter 16.
00:38:03.48\00:38:05.51
Let's go there.
00:38:05.55\00:38:06.92
And I'm gonna toss it
to you fellas to see how...
00:38:06.95\00:38:09.35
Let's read through this
00:38:09.38\00:38:10.89
and determine
what is this parable,
00:38:10.92\00:38:13.15
and I want to emphasize that,
00:38:13.19\00:38:14.59
what is this
parable saying to us
00:38:14.62\00:38:16.29
in Luke 16 about the
rich men and Lazarus?
00:38:16.32\00:38:17.89
Okay, turn it, let's start
walking through it together.
00:38:17.93\00:38:19.53
Mm-hmm.
00:38:19.56\00:38:20.90
Because this is important. Yeah.
00:38:20.93\00:38:22.26
And you hit the
nail on the head,
00:38:22.30\00:38:24.33
as you mentioned it.
00:38:24.37\00:38:25.70
The parable of the
rich man and Lazarus,
00:38:25.73\00:38:27.84
which you have to keep in mind
is what Jesus is talking to,
00:38:27.87\00:38:32.01
is the end result of
those who have the Gospel,
00:38:32.04\00:38:37.91
but refused to share the Gospel
00:38:37.95\00:38:39.91
because he brings out
certain characters in here
00:38:39.95\00:38:42.15
that are just when we look
00:38:42.18\00:38:43.62
throughout the entire
passages of the Bible,
00:38:43.69\00:38:45.79
we begin to see all
these characters are clear.
00:38:45.82\00:38:48.06
So now let's go ahead
and start with verse 19.
00:38:48.09\00:38:50.13
We'll read through it.
00:38:50.16\00:38:51.49
I'll just do as
quickly as I can.
00:38:51.53\00:38:53.73
"There was a certain rich man
00:38:53.80\00:38:55.76
who was clothed in
purple and fine linen
00:38:55.80\00:38:58.70
and fared
sumptuously every day."
00:38:58.73\00:39:01.04
Purple and fine linen,
00:39:01.07\00:39:02.54
that's the
description you find clearly,
00:39:02.57\00:39:04.74
these are colors
that are identified
00:39:04.77\00:39:06.21
with the priestly robes...
00:39:06.24\00:39:07.58
Yeah. That the
Jewish leaders wore.
00:39:07.61\00:39:09.18
Yeah, sure.
00:39:09.21\00:39:10.55
"But there was a
certain beggar named Lazarus,
00:39:10.58\00:39:11.91
full of sores who
was laid at his table."
00:39:11.95\00:39:14.32
There is no record of a
man existing that way at all.
00:39:14.35\00:39:16.72
Lazarus was not a beggar.
00:39:16.79\00:39:18.12
And he didn't have
sores, the actual Lazarus.
00:39:18.15\00:39:20.59
So right away, we find
in the parabolic sense,
00:39:20.66\00:39:23.36
this has to be a parable,
00:39:23.43\00:39:24.99
because there was
no man named Lazarus
00:39:25.03\00:39:27.03
that had sores like that.
00:39:27.10\00:39:28.90
The Lazarus the
Bible talked about
00:39:28.93\00:39:30.37
was the brother
of Mary and Martha.
00:39:30.40\00:39:32.93
And when this was
given, he hadn't even died.
00:39:32.97\00:39:34.90
And I want to interject here,
00:39:34.94\00:39:36.84
establishing
that it's a parable,
00:39:36.91\00:39:38.31
because I've
had many people say,
00:39:38.34\00:39:39.67
no, this is not a
parable, this is a real story.
00:39:39.71\00:39:42.08
But you can notice
right off the front,
00:39:42.11\00:39:43.45
notice first 19, "There
was a certain rich man."
00:39:43.48\00:39:45.48
Right. Well...
00:39:45.51\00:39:46.85
Jesus would often
use that type of language
00:39:46.92\00:39:48.32
when he was
speaking of a parable.
00:39:48.35\00:39:49.98
You can get proof of
this in the previous Chapter,
00:39:50.02\00:39:51.92
verse 15, Chapter
15 of Luke, verse 11.
00:39:51.95\00:39:55.06
Notice how when he starts
the parable of the lost son,
00:39:55.09\00:39:57.06
what does he say?
00:39:57.13\00:39:58.46
"A certain man had
two sons." There you go.
00:39:58.49\00:40:00.43
So there's the
evidence of the fact
00:40:00.50\00:40:01.83
that this is a
parable, it's not a real story.
00:40:01.86\00:40:03.20
Amen. Continue, brother.
00:40:03.23\00:40:04.57
And the verse 1 of
Chapter 16, he says also,
00:40:04.60\00:40:06.87
that he also
said to his disciples,
00:40:06.94\00:40:08.27
that there was a
certain rich man...
00:40:08.30\00:40:09.64
Right.
00:40:09.67\00:40:11.01
Who had a steward,
00:40:11.04\00:40:12.37
and an accusation
was brought to him.
00:40:12.41\00:40:14.98
So he's using
these parabolic language.
00:40:15.01\00:40:17.05
He pulls,
00:40:17.08\00:40:18.41
"There was a
certain city I went to,
00:40:18.45\00:40:19.88
you know, Shangri La."
00:40:19.91\00:40:21.52
And we know
there's no such thing
00:40:21.55\00:40:22.88
but when you try to
communicate a lesson,
00:40:22.92\00:40:24.49
so let's go
quickly to the imagery.
00:40:24.52\00:40:26.32
And he says, "Desiring..."
Verse 21 of chapter 16,
00:40:26.35\00:40:29.36
"to be fed with the crumbs
00:40:29.39\00:40:30.73
which fell from
the rich man's table.
00:40:30.76\00:40:32.79
Moreover, the dogs
came and licked his sores."
00:40:32.83\00:40:36.03
All the language
that's being used here,
00:40:36.06\00:40:38.27
when the word dog,
00:40:38.30\00:40:39.63
the rich man that had the bread,
00:40:39.67\00:40:41.70
what do you get when
you have a loaf of bread?
00:40:41.74\00:40:43.07
You get crumbs.
00:40:43.10\00:40:44.44
What's the bread
00:40:44.47\00:40:45.81
that Jesus is
talking about here?
00:40:45.84\00:40:47.18
He made that very
clear in John 5:39.
00:40:47.21\00:40:49.71
Right.
00:40:49.74\00:40:51.08
You search the scriptures
00:40:51.11\00:40:52.58
and then you think
you have eternal life,
00:40:52.61\00:40:54.12
but these, they're tested by me.
00:40:54.15\00:40:55.48
Right.
00:40:55.52\00:40:56.85
They had the whole
loaf but they missed Jesus,
00:40:56.89\00:40:59.32
he was standing right there.
00:40:59.35\00:41:00.69
That's right. And
he says, there was...
00:41:00.76\00:41:02.09
He had...
00:41:02.12\00:41:03.46
"There were crumbs
falling from his table..."
00:41:03.49\00:41:04.83
Mercy.
00:41:04.86\00:41:06.19
"But he ignored the
needs of the people."
00:41:06.23\00:41:07.56
Let's go on further.
00:41:07.60\00:41:08.93
So it was in verse 22,
that, "The beggar died,
00:41:08.96\00:41:10.30
and was carried by the
angels to Abraham's bosom.
00:41:10.33\00:41:13.00
And the rich man
also died and was buried."
00:41:13.03\00:41:14.80
Now let's once again
look at the imagery here.
00:41:14.84\00:41:17.87
Is Abraham's bosom the cemetery?
00:41:17.91\00:41:19.57
No.
00:41:19.61\00:41:20.98
Why is Abraham mentioned
00:41:21.01\00:41:22.34
because the Jews
always looked at Abraham
00:41:22.38\00:41:24.18
as the person that gave them
the advantage of being saved.
00:41:24.25\00:41:26.05
Right.
00:41:26.08\00:41:27.42
They even said to Jesus,
are you as all as Abraham?
00:41:27.45\00:41:29.98
He was their key
patriarch. Mercy.
00:41:30.02\00:41:31.35
He said, "Before
Abraham was, I am."
00:41:31.39\00:41:33.76
And let me give you a
chance to read some of that,
00:41:33.79\00:41:35.29
go ahead, Ryan, verse 23.
00:41:35.32\00:41:36.83
Sure, so verse 23 here says,
00:41:36.86\00:41:39.39
"And being in torment, "
so he's died, he's buried now,
00:41:39.43\00:41:42.43
"And being in
torments and Hades..."
00:41:42.46\00:41:44.27
It's the lake of
fire. Yeah, okay.
00:41:44.30\00:41:45.80
"He lifted up his eyes
and saw Abraham far off
00:41:45.83\00:41:48.87
and Lazarus in his bosom.
00:41:48.90\00:41:51.84
Then he cried and said,"
00:41:51.87\00:41:53.21
I'm just gonna read through this
00:41:53.24\00:41:54.58
and I'm gonna pitch to you guys
00:41:54.61\00:41:55.94
to come back and pick this over.
00:41:55.98\00:41:57.35
It says, "Then
he cried and said,
00:41:57.38\00:41:58.71
'Father
Abraham, have mercy on me
00:41:58.75\00:42:00.08
and send Lazarus
00:42:00.12\00:42:01.45
that he may dip
the tip of his finger
00:42:01.48\00:42:02.82
in water and cool my tongue,
00:42:02.85\00:42:04.39
for I am
tormented in this flame.'
00:42:04.42\00:42:06.25
But Abraham said, 'Son,
00:42:06.29\00:42:07.66
remember that in your lifetime
you receive your good things,
00:42:07.69\00:42:10.63
and likewise
Lazarus evil things,
00:42:10.66\00:42:12.66
but now he is comforted.
00:42:12.69\00:42:14.50
And you are tormented.'"
00:42:14.53\00:42:16.26
Verse 26.
00:42:16.30\00:42:17.63
"'And besides all
this, between us and you,
00:42:17.67\00:42:19.07
there is a great goal fixed
00:42:19.10\00:42:20.44
so that those who
want to pass from here
00:42:20.47\00:42:23.81
to you cannot
00:42:23.84\00:42:25.17
nor can those
from their pass to us.'
00:42:25.21\00:42:27.71
Then he said, 'I beg
you, therefore, Father,
00:42:27.74\00:42:29.64
that you would send
him to my father's house
00:42:29.68\00:42:32.28
for I have five brothers,
00:42:32.31\00:42:34.25
that he may testify to them,
00:42:34.32\00:42:36.89
lest they come to
this place of torment.'
00:42:36.92\00:42:39.65
Abraham said to him,
00:42:39.69\00:42:41.02
they have Moses
and the prophets,
00:42:41.06\00:42:42.39
let them hear him or hear them.
00:42:42.42\00:42:44.69
And he said,
'No, Father Abraham,
00:42:44.73\00:42:46.33
but if one goes
from them from the dead,
00:42:46.36\00:42:50.47
they will repent.'"
00:42:50.50\00:42:51.83
And then the last verse here,
00:42:51.87\00:42:53.20
"But he said to them,
00:42:53.23\00:42:54.57
'If they do not hear
from Moses and the prophets,
00:42:54.60\00:42:55.94
neither will they be persuaded,
00:42:55.97\00:42:57.61
though one rise from the dead.'"
00:42:57.64\00:42:59.31
That's right.
00:42:59.34\00:43:00.68
So, Brother Kenny,
00:43:00.71\00:43:02.04
let's go through
this a little bit here
00:43:02.08\00:43:03.45
and let's pick it apart.
00:43:03.48\00:43:04.81
I'll let you guys kind
of play some ping pong here
00:43:04.85\00:43:06.31
on picking this apart.
00:43:06.35\00:43:08.32
What about this parable
tells us it's a parable.
00:43:08.35\00:43:10.89
And what does it
make very clear to us
00:43:10.92\00:43:13.05
that this is not
a realistic story
00:43:13.09\00:43:14.56
that Jesus is telling.
00:43:14.59\00:43:15.92
I'll chime in
after you, Pastor Kenny.
00:43:15.96\00:43:17.33
Go ahead.
00:43:17.36\00:43:18.69
There's like one point
you talked about and said,
00:43:18.73\00:43:20.06
Abraham's bosom is not heaven.
00:43:20.10\00:43:21.43
Right. That's for sure.
00:43:21.46\00:43:22.80
Hebrews 11 talks about that,
but I heard once a guy say,
00:43:22.83\00:43:26.30
"Well, if
Abraham's bosom is heaven,
00:43:26.33\00:43:28.34
then he has a big bosom."
00:43:28.37\00:43:29.70
Right. Right.
00:43:29.74\00:43:31.07
You know like, I mean,
that just can't possibly be
00:43:31.11\00:43:33.38
even just to the
thinking individual,
00:43:33.41\00:43:35.28
right, with common sense.
00:43:35.31\00:43:36.75
One other thing, people in hell
00:43:36.78\00:43:38.11
can't talk to those in
heaven, what does that mean?
00:43:38.15\00:43:39.81
People that are
dead, people who aren't.
00:43:39.85\00:43:41.55
There's no
communication between the two.
00:43:41.58\00:43:44.12
So therefore, to me, it's
just, you ask questions...
00:43:44.19\00:43:46.42
And not only that there's
no consciousness in death.
00:43:46.45\00:43:48.29
Right.
00:43:48.32\00:43:49.66
That's another thing. Yeah.
00:43:49.69\00:43:51.03
That's beautiful.
The dead are where?
00:43:51.06\00:43:52.39
The Bible said
the dead are where?
00:43:52.43\00:43:53.80
They're in their
graves, they're sleeping.
00:43:53.83\00:43:55.16
And Job 17 talk about
here and John 5 talks about,
00:43:55.20\00:43:58.03
you know, what happens.
00:43:58.07\00:43:59.40
So we know there can't be.
00:43:59.43\00:44:00.77
So all of a sudden if
I come across something
00:44:00.84\00:44:02.17
when I'm reading
scripture like that, and I say,
00:44:02.20\00:44:03.91
"Wait a minute, that doesn't gel
00:44:03.94\00:44:05.34
with some other
passage of scripture
00:44:05.37\00:44:06.78
I've read before.
00:44:06.81\00:44:08.44
Consistently, I've read
00:44:08.48\00:44:09.81
about what happens when you die.
00:44:09.84\00:44:11.18
Right.
00:44:11.21\00:44:12.55
Here this seems like,
one point seems to be like,
00:44:12.58\00:44:14.68
oh, people just take one point
00:44:14.72\00:44:16.05
and they leave
the weight of evidence
00:44:16.08\00:44:17.49
way over here.
00:44:17.52\00:44:18.85
I mean, you can have
pounds of it over here.
00:44:18.89\00:44:20.26
You can have an ounce here
and sometime we take an ounce.
00:44:20.29\00:44:21.89
Right.
00:44:21.92\00:44:23.26
But one of the things, to
me, if I believe that God,
00:44:23.29\00:44:27.20
like many people
believe what God is
00:44:27.23\00:44:29.10
and what He does and so on,
00:44:29.13\00:44:30.47
I'm not sure I
could love in the way
00:44:30.50\00:44:31.83
that I need to love Him.
00:44:31.87\00:44:33.20
Right.
00:44:33.23\00:44:34.57
Absolutely. Can you?
00:44:34.60\00:44:35.94
No. Yeah, I don't think so.
00:44:35.97\00:44:37.31
Because there's
something about that,
00:44:37.34\00:44:38.67
that doesn't gel
in the scripture.
00:44:38.71\00:44:40.08
Right. Absolutely.
00:44:40.11\00:44:41.44
Yeah, makes sense.
00:44:41.48\00:44:42.81
The other thing
that He brings out
00:44:42.84\00:44:44.18
in verse 24, He says,
00:44:44.21\00:44:45.55
"Have mercy on me,
00:44:45.58\00:44:46.92
send Lazarus
00:44:46.95\00:44:48.28
that he may dip
his finger in the water
00:44:48.32\00:44:49.65
and cool my tongue."
00:44:49.68\00:44:51.02
I just so happened
to have water here.
00:44:51.05\00:44:52.39
Well...
00:44:52.42\00:44:53.76
Now I've been
talking a mile a minute.
00:44:53.79\00:44:55.46
I just want you to
put that camera on me.
00:44:55.49\00:44:57.33
Let's just here this
example very quickly.
00:44:57.36\00:44:59.23
My finger's clean
but it's my own finger.
00:44:59.26\00:45:01.46
Now watch this.
I'm not in hellfire.
00:45:01.50\00:45:04.70
Dipped my finger,
now I'm not in hellfire.
00:45:04.73\00:45:09.50
Do you think that I
just said I had enough water?
00:45:09.54\00:45:12.47
No. No.
00:45:12.51\00:45:13.88
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:45:13.91\00:45:15.24
Because most people's
traditional belief of hellfire
00:45:15.28\00:45:18.75
is that they're
engrossed in these flames.
00:45:18.78\00:45:20.85
They're being tormented.
00:45:20.92\00:45:22.25
How can anyone...
00:45:22.28\00:45:24.92
Here's another point
that I've always noticed,
00:45:24.95\00:45:26.42
how can anyone carry on
an intelligent conversation
00:45:26.45\00:45:28.69
while being, you know,
just swallowed in flames?
00:45:28.72\00:45:31.26
Yeah.
00:45:31.29\00:45:32.63
But here's the
point I want to illustrate
00:45:32.66\00:45:34.03
and they turned the camera
away when I started drinking
00:45:34.10\00:45:35.73
because that's
naturally what they do.
00:45:35.76\00:45:37.57
But I wanna illustrate
that for a particular purpose
00:45:37.60\00:45:39.37
because if you're thirsty...
00:45:39.40\00:45:42.64
Right?
00:45:42.67\00:45:44.01
You need water.
But now watch this.
00:45:44.04\00:45:45.37
My finger is a...
00:45:45.41\00:45:46.78
There's a dip of water
on the tip of my finger.
00:45:46.81\00:45:50.15
I'm trying to
get across the fires.
00:45:50.18\00:45:52.18
It just
evaporated, but try it again,
00:45:52.21\00:45:53.62
it just evaporated.
00:45:53.65\00:45:54.98
Not only that, verse
26, besides all this,
00:45:55.02\00:45:58.22
there's a gulf
between you and me
00:45:58.25\00:46:00.79
that we cannot pass.
00:46:00.86\00:46:02.99
We cannot help the dead
and the dead can't help us.
00:46:03.02\00:46:06.29
Why?
00:46:06.33\00:46:07.66
Because they're both dead.
00:46:07.70\00:46:09.30
You don't get
immediately carted after death
00:46:09.33\00:46:12.40
into any place
of Abraham's bosom.
00:46:12.43\00:46:14.77
They all go to the grave.
00:46:14.80\00:46:16.17
And in this whole
aspect of it here,
00:46:16.20\00:46:18.27
and the five brothers,
00:46:18.31\00:46:19.64
that's another point of it
00:46:19.67\00:46:21.01
and there's is so
much language here,
00:46:21.04\00:46:22.38
but the other
point I want to bring out
00:46:22.41\00:46:23.75
is the dogs.
00:46:23.78\00:46:25.11
The dogs will always call...
00:46:25.15\00:46:26.48
the Samaritans will
always call the dogs.
00:46:26.51\00:46:28.35
Right.
00:46:28.38\00:46:29.72
You know, let
me give an example.
00:46:29.75\00:46:31.09
Matthew 15:26.
00:46:31.12\00:46:32.45
"It is not good to
take the children's bread
00:46:32.49\00:46:34.99
and throw it to the little dogs.
00:46:35.02\00:46:36.49
Mercy.
00:46:36.52\00:46:37.86
"Jesus said,
even the little dogs
00:46:37.89\00:46:39.46
eat the crumbs,
00:46:39.49\00:46:40.93
which fall from
their master's table."
00:46:40.96\00:46:43.77
Notice the same language.
00:46:43.80\00:46:45.37
Even the dogs eat crumbs
00:46:45.40\00:46:47.24
that fall from
their master's table.
00:46:47.27\00:46:49.70
So dogs eating
crumbs, the same language,
00:46:49.74\00:46:51.71
the same picturesque language,
00:46:51.74\00:46:53.58
that whenever the
Samaritans around,
00:46:53.61\00:46:55.61
they said,
"Don't throw your pearls
00:46:55.64\00:46:57.25
to the swine."
00:46:57.28\00:46:58.61
They looked at the
Samaritans as dogs.
00:46:58.65\00:47:00.42
That's why in the parable,
the one they call the dog,
00:47:00.45\00:47:04.75
the "Samaritans,"
00:47:04.79\00:47:06.96
were the ones that
saw after the needs
00:47:06.99\00:47:10.03
of those who were hungry, naked.
00:47:10.06\00:47:11.93
That's what
00:47:11.96\00:47:13.29
the whole
Matthew 13 is all about.
00:47:13.33\00:47:15.26
When was I hungry and naked
00:47:15.30\00:47:16.67
and when was I in that condition
00:47:16.70\00:47:18.30
and you helped me out?
00:47:18.33\00:47:19.70
So that's the issue here.
00:47:19.73\00:47:21.07
The Jews were so
stuck on their religious...
00:47:21.10\00:47:23.04
Right.
00:47:23.07\00:47:25.31
I'm trying to use a good word.
00:47:25.34\00:47:27.08
They were so
spiritually constipated.
00:47:27.11\00:47:28.74
Right.
00:47:28.78\00:47:30.15
Well... That...
00:47:30.18\00:47:31.88
No, they were so
full of themselves.
00:47:31.91\00:47:33.25
Yes. I got it.
00:47:33.28\00:47:34.62
They had everything right.
00:47:34.65\00:47:35.98
But they did not
love people. That's right.
00:47:36.02\00:47:37.49
You have to be careful
00:47:37.52\00:47:38.85
when you think
you have it all right,
00:47:38.89\00:47:40.22
and you ignore
the needs of people.
00:47:40.26\00:47:41.59
That's what this
parable is about.
00:47:41.62\00:47:42.99
That's why it says, verse 24,
00:47:43.02\00:47:44.86
"I have five brothers
that they may testify to them
00:47:44.89\00:47:47.66
lest they also come to
this place of torment."
00:47:47.70\00:47:49.66
What five brothers do they have?
00:47:49.70\00:47:51.90
The first five
Books of the Bible.
00:47:51.93\00:47:53.67
That's right. The Pentateuch.
00:47:53.74\00:47:55.37
Penta meaning five,
00:47:55.40\00:47:57.31
I can't get help
from those five books.
00:47:57.34\00:47:59.11
Well, you better warn
those who are putting their hope
00:47:59.14\00:48:01.14
in those five books
unless they also come here.
00:48:01.18\00:48:03.21
Right.
00:48:03.24\00:48:04.58
And lastly, they have
Moses and the prophets.
00:48:04.61\00:48:07.82
That's the Old Testament.
00:48:07.85\00:48:10.12
They got all this stuff
and they ended up in hell.
00:48:10.19\00:48:11.65
Yeah.
00:48:11.69\00:48:13.02
What's amazing, you know,
00:48:13.05\00:48:14.39
I just have to unpack
this just for a moment,
00:48:14.42\00:48:15.96
because this is
a powerful point.
00:48:15.99\00:48:18.09
You know, I have
preached this message,
00:48:18.13\00:48:20.20
because I used to
believe in the opposite of this.
00:48:20.23\00:48:22.66
I used to...
00:48:22.70\00:48:24.07
I grew up
believing and was taught
00:48:24.10\00:48:25.90
that when a person dies,
00:48:25.93\00:48:27.64
they're gonna find
themselves immediately
00:48:27.67\00:48:29.17
in one of two places,
00:48:29.20\00:48:30.54
either the
presence of God forever,
00:48:30.61\00:48:32.21
or an eternal
tormenting hellfire,
00:48:32.24\00:48:34.68
right?
00:48:34.71\00:48:36.04
And I was taught,
you know, and again,
00:48:36.08\00:48:37.65
you mentioned I think earlier,
00:48:37.68\00:48:39.21
and I think even
Pastor Kenny referenced this,
00:48:39.25\00:48:41.45
that people
often use this message
00:48:41.48\00:48:43.18
to try to scare
people into the faith.
00:48:43.22\00:48:45.95
You know, I
remember standing and hearing
00:48:45.99\00:48:47.36
the preachers preach
from behind the pulpit.
00:48:47.39\00:48:49.02
"If you don't do
this, and you don't do this,
00:48:49.06\00:48:51.39
you're gonna burn in
hell forever," you know.
00:48:51.43\00:48:53.93
And the people went, amen, amen.
00:48:54.00\00:48:55.33
And it was...
00:48:55.36\00:48:56.70
That's a message that
brings about a decision
00:48:56.73\00:48:59.03
based on fear.
00:48:59.07\00:49:00.44
But we know the Bible,
00:49:00.47\00:49:01.80
the God of the Bible
00:49:01.84\00:49:03.17
doesn't want you
serving him out of fear.
00:49:03.20\00:49:04.54
That's right.
00:49:04.57\00:49:05.91
He wants you to choose to
serve Him because of love.
00:49:05.94\00:49:09.14
And, you know, when I listen,
even this particular parable,
00:49:09.18\00:49:11.75
just something
baffles me about this.
00:49:11.78\00:49:13.11
I'm gonna read it
and make my point here.
00:49:13.15\00:49:14.52
It says here.
00:49:14.55\00:49:15.88
Look at the latter
few verses 29 and 30 here.
00:49:15.92\00:49:18.95
Abraham says to him,
00:49:18.99\00:49:20.56
they have Moses
and the prophets,
00:49:20.59\00:49:22.29
let them hear them.
00:49:22.32\00:49:23.66
Now in this case,
we can generally say
00:49:23.73\00:49:25.09
what Abraham is
saying to this man
00:49:25.13\00:49:27.40
who is ultimately
gonna burn in hell,
00:49:27.43\00:49:30.07
he's saying to him, look,
they have the Word of God,
00:49:30.10\00:49:34.07
just as you
have the Word of God,
00:49:34.14\00:49:35.74
but you
rejected the Word of God.
00:49:35.77\00:49:37.71
Now they have the Word of God,
00:49:37.74\00:49:39.44
they need to have a
relationship with the Lord,
00:49:39.47\00:49:42.11
based on the Word of God
00:49:42.14\00:49:43.48
so that they don't
come to the same place
00:49:43.55\00:49:44.88
that you come to.
00:49:44.91\00:49:46.25
And I've noticed the
response of this rich man,
00:49:46.28\00:49:48.92
even in these engrossing flames,
00:49:48.95\00:49:51.55
notice what he says here,
00:49:51.59\00:49:52.92
"And he said, no."
00:49:52.95\00:49:54.59
Wow! I just wanna pause there.
00:49:54.62\00:49:57.36
And it breaks my heart.
00:49:57.43\00:49:58.76
You know, I've
been in this situation
00:49:58.79\00:50:00.13
many times
00:50:00.16\00:50:01.50
when you're preaching the truth,
00:50:01.53\00:50:02.86
you're giving them
an abundance of evidence
00:50:02.90\00:50:04.37
from the Word of God.
00:50:04.40\00:50:05.73
You're trying to break
00:50:05.77\00:50:07.14
open the bread of life
with them, Brother Kenny.
00:50:07.17\00:50:08.50
Yeah.
00:50:08.54\00:50:09.87
You're trying to
share from the Word of God
00:50:09.90\00:50:11.24
and the heart of the
Lord with them from the Word,
00:50:11.27\00:50:12.61
and what is their response?
00:50:12.64\00:50:13.98
"No, I would
rather keep believing
00:50:14.01\00:50:15.34
what I want to believe."
00:50:15.38\00:50:16.71
That's essentially the
mindset that we're seeing here.
00:50:16.75\00:50:19.15
He's saying,
"No, Father Abraham,
00:50:19.18\00:50:21.12
but if one goes from the..."
00:50:21.15\00:50:22.52
In other words, I
don't need the Word.
00:50:22.55\00:50:24.32
Give me a sign in a wonder.
00:50:24.35\00:50:26.62
Give me a miracle.
00:50:26.65\00:50:28.32
And here's what's interesting.
00:50:28.36\00:50:29.69
And he said, "No,
00:50:29.72\00:50:31.06
but even if one
goes from the dead,
00:50:31.09\00:50:32.99
they will still not repent."
00:50:33.03\00:50:34.63
And we know that a few days
00:50:34.66\00:50:36.00
after Jesus would
have told this parable,
00:50:36.03\00:50:37.90
what did Jesus do
00:50:37.93\00:50:39.57
just that He resurrected
a real man named Lazarus.
00:50:39.60\00:50:42.84
Lazarus presents himself
00:50:42.87\00:50:44.47
to the same
Pharisees in the temple,
00:50:44.51\00:50:47.31
having been dead for four
days and did they believe?
00:50:47.38\00:50:49.74
They went to kill Jesus, yes.
00:50:49.78\00:50:51.11
The Bible says
they wouldn't want...
00:50:51.15\00:50:52.48
they plotted to
kill Jesus and Lazarus.
00:50:52.51\00:50:55.18
They said, "He's
got to die." Yes.
00:50:55.22\00:50:57.32
The point of this
we're making here is that
00:50:57.39\00:50:59.09
it's very, very
powerfully important,
00:50:59.12\00:51:01.06
my friends,
00:51:01.09\00:51:02.42
that when the Word of God
comes and the truth comes,
00:51:02.46\00:51:04.59
that you allow that
truth to convert your soul now,
00:51:04.63\00:51:08.20
not later when it's too late.
00:51:08.23\00:51:09.96
Allow the Word of God
00:51:10.00\00:51:11.33
to penetrate
your heart and mind.
00:51:11.37\00:51:13.17
Brother Kenny,
Pastor, Brother Kenny,
00:51:13.20\00:51:16.00
we have about a
minute left before our break.
00:51:16.04\00:51:18.31
Do you have
something you wanna add
00:51:18.34\00:51:19.67
to anything we've said
so far about this parable?
00:51:19.71\00:51:21.24
You know what, I'm
thankful that's here...
00:51:21.28\00:51:22.98
I think it's just so clear,
00:51:23.01\00:51:24.35
it's clear cut you can
tell it's a parable right there
00:51:24.38\00:51:26.35
just by going down
what everybody did here.
00:51:26.38\00:51:28.35
And just look at
those points right there.
00:51:28.38\00:51:30.22
Just good common sense,
Bible study, looking at it,
00:51:30.29\00:51:32.89
you can find it is a
parable and you just rule it out
00:51:32.92\00:51:35.69
as somebody's
trying to say it's truth.
00:51:35.72\00:51:37.53
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:51:37.56\00:51:38.89
And the nutshell of
this is simple message,
00:51:38.93\00:51:42.06
how you live, be not
deceived, God is not mocked.
00:51:42.10\00:51:46.84
Whatever man's sows
that shall he also reap.
00:51:46.87\00:51:50.51
They sowed gluttony,
they did not share the Word.
00:51:50.54\00:51:53.38
And Acts Chapter 13 says
in verse 46, the latter part,
00:51:53.41\00:51:57.05
"And since you judge yourselves
unworthy of everlasting life,
00:51:57.08\00:52:01.45
we turn to the Gentiles."
00:52:01.48\00:52:02.82
Mercy.
00:52:02.85\00:52:04.19
That's the ultimate
rejection of the Jews
00:52:04.22\00:52:05.75
that just didn't wanna
have anything to do with Jesus.
00:52:05.79\00:52:08.29
You don't want it?
00:52:08.32\00:52:09.66
We'll turn it to Gentiles,
the ones you call dogs,
00:52:09.69\00:52:12.43
received it and they were glad.
00:52:12.46\00:52:13.80
Amen. Amen.
00:52:13.83\00:52:15.16
Thank you, Pastor, so much.
00:52:15.20\00:52:16.53
Hey, we have just a
few seconds left here.
00:52:16.56\00:52:18.40
We're gonna take a
break in just a moment.
00:52:18.43\00:52:20.24
But, you know,
God is a God of love.
00:52:20.27\00:52:22.14
And when we come
back from this break
00:52:22.17\00:52:23.51
that we're about to take,
00:52:23.54\00:52:24.87
we're gonna take
a couple of minutes,
00:52:24.91\00:52:26.24
our closing minutes
to unpack God's attitude
00:52:26.27\00:52:28.41
towards the
destruction of the wicked.
00:52:28.44\00:52:30.75
We want to know how
does God feel about this,
00:52:30.78\00:52:32.95
so don't go anywhere.
00:52:32.98\00:52:34.32
We'll be right back. Amen.
00:52:34.35\00:52:35.68