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Program Code: TDY190103A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, and welcome to another program 01:11 from your family at 3ABN. 01:13 My name is John Dinzey and I will be with you 01:15 during this hour, 01:17 this hour of blessing because we have a program 01:20 that has good news that we'd like to share with you 01:23 and for that, I would like to introduce the guests 01:26 that we have for today. 01:27 I'm talking about Pastor Hernell Hernandez. 01:30 Welcome. 01:31 It's a pleasure to see you again. 01:32 Pastor Hernell, you are COO 01:35 of International Children's Relief Fund. 01:38 It is correct. 01:39 Welcome. 01:40 Thank you so much. 01:42 And next to you, we have Pedro Arce, 01:45 Arce in Spanish Arce. 01:47 Yes, sir. Welcome. 01:49 You are secretary 01:50 of International Children's Relief Fund. 01:51 Yes, sir. 01:53 Thank you for being here. 01:54 Thank you for having us. 01:56 Well, they have some good news to share with you 01:57 about International Children's Relief Fund, 02:00 but also news about Cuba 02:03 that you are going to want to listen to. 02:05 As a matter of fact, 02:07 I will tell you right now that it'll be good for you 02:09 to get something to write with 02:10 because you're going to wanna write, 02:12 maybe note on the program, 02:13 and the information they're going to share 02:15 because this is wonderful news. 02:20 Well, before we continue, 02:21 we like to go to the Lord in prayer, 02:22 and we'd like to pray 02:24 and we'd like to let you know once again 02:26 that 3ABN has a prayer partner, 02:30 prayer warriors sometimes they are called. 02:33 And we have prayer partners practically all over the world, 02:36 in almost every country in the world. 02:38 And, this is a volunteer ministry 02:41 that people participate in with 3ABN, 02:45 you can sign up by going to the 3ABN website 02:48 and 3ABN will send you some prayer requests, 02:51 we're not going to send you 02:52 all the prayer requests we received 02:54 because you will be overwhelmed. 02:55 But we'll send you some of the prayer request. 02:58 And people are hoping and expecting 03:01 that you'll pray with them. 03:02 So we encourage you to go through the 3ABN website 03:05 and learn how you can become a prayer partner. 03:08 And it will be 03:09 a wonderful opportunity from ministry. 03:11 You will be blessed and so will the people 03:12 that are expecting a prayer. 03:14 So at this time, 03:15 we'd like to go to the Lord in prayer 03:16 so He will bless this program and everyone listening to us. 03:18 Let's pray. 03:21 Our loving heavenly Father, 03:22 we are grateful to You for Your blessings. 03:25 We are thankful 03:27 because You have given us another day of life. 03:30 We bring before You, Lord, 03:32 the needs of Your children that are listening to us, 03:35 wherever they may be. 03:37 We know that You are the all-powerful mighty God. 03:41 And that You are all wise, all knowing. 03:44 And heavenly Father, 03:45 we pray that You would consider every request, 03:48 whether we consider them small or great. 03:51 We ask that You will each one give personal attention to. 03:57 And, Lord, You know what is best for us. 03:59 Therefore we ask for those that are asking for strength, 04:03 for healing, for financial relief, 04:06 for help in their marriage, 04:07 for help as well to reach their loved ones, 04:11 they have been separated from You, Lord. 04:14 We ask that You will do what is best 04:17 in each and every situation. 04:20 Lord, there are people that are even 04:22 just suffering pain, physical pain, emotional pain, 04:27 we pray that You will minister to each one. 04:29 And, Lord, we also ask for Your Holy Spirit 04:32 to guide the words that we share 04:34 so that Your children will be encouraged and blessed. 04:38 And that they will also see 04:39 that You are doing great and mighty things. 04:42 We ask You for these blessings in the Holy 04:44 and blessed name of Jesus. 04:47 Amen. 04:50 Well, we are happy to have Pastor Hernell Hernandez. 04:55 And we like to know a little bit about 04:57 International Children's Relief Fund, 05:00 and so we're launching that question now right to you. 05:03 What is International Children's Relief Fund? 05:08 Okay. 05:09 International Children's Relief Fund 05:12 is a non-profit organization based in Tucson, Arizona. 05:19 And they are looking for helping people 05:22 in its several programs. 05:25 But the major 05:27 is support the Seventh-day Adventist mission 05:30 around the world. 05:32 So this is practically what ICRF doing. 05:37 And now the name seems to imply children 05:39 but apparently based on what you said, 05:42 it's an umbrella for ministry in different aspects. 05:46 Share a little bit more about that? 05:49 Children's, we're all children's of God 05:53 and under that umbrella, we also cover health, 05:58 evangelism, schooling, 06:01 special with young children age, 06:05 as far as the BBS program as we have found before. 06:09 And health message through clinics, massage 06:15 and other implementations of equipment and techniques 06:19 that people are needing 06:22 to release their suffering and pain. 06:26 And this is part mainly of what we cover 06:29 with International Children's Fund release. 06:31 Okay, well, you not only have 06:34 a mission of reaching local people, 06:37 but people beyond the United States 06:39 because it's international. 06:42 Can you share a little bit about 06:43 what countries you have been focusing on, 06:45 let's say in the last five to ten years? 06:48 Yes, we have the opportunity to serve the Lord 06:54 through the Chaplaincy Service. 06:56 This is another branch for International Children 06:59 and a few years ago, 07:03 we have traveled to Panama, to Costa Rica. 07:09 And coming to my mind about one person 07:14 who accepts the Seventh-day Adventist message, 07:19 General Manuel and Tony Onirigua. 07:22 It is a very interesting character 07:26 because he was a government, you know, 07:29 in charge of the government of Panama. 07:31 And he was in jail in order, you know, to receive justice. 07:35 So, at the time when I was in Panama, 07:39 I asking about him. 07:41 So I pray the Lord. 07:42 I said, Lord, if you give me the opportunity, 07:44 we can give it some support, 07:46 some hope and, you know, visit Manuel. 07:50 It is hard because, you know political issues. 07:54 So we used to send ICRF as our chaplain 07:58 and the Lord opened the door and we spent several visit, 08:04 you know, to Manuel and I think you was with me, 08:11 at the end for that, he's visiting him in the prison 08:15 and finally in the last date of him, 08:20 I remember a... 08:22 I talked with him. 08:24 I said, Manuel, 08:26 you need to make a reflection not because I told you, 08:30 because by inspiration of the Spirit of God. 08:33 So when you think it's appropriate, 08:36 you need to present, asking for a pardon. 08:39 A pardon, you know. Pardon? 08:40 A pardon, correct. 08:41 And I remember, I receive a note from you. 08:45 Hernell, I think the Lord has answered 08:49 because He made a wonder statement 08:51 and say it three times, I ask Him the... 08:54 You know, pardon in order to receive 08:56 the blessing from God 08:58 so what's amazing using ICRF as our chaplain, 09:02 you know, working in the jails in Panama. 09:06 Yes, I remember that you had visited him several times 09:09 and then mentioned to me the opportunity to go see him 09:14 and it was an interesting visit. 09:17 They've never been to visit somebody of such stature 09:23 as you want to say and anyway, 09:26 he, I was glad to see that when we went to see him, 09:31 there was a Bible open and he had a desk and so I said, 09:36 well, praise the Lord, you know, 09:38 the Bible is not far from sight. 09:40 And so, it was good to see that. 09:42 So he passed away, I understand, 09:45 I don't know how long ago, 09:46 but I understand he passed away 09:47 and it was good that we see evidence 09:50 that he started to follow the Lord. 09:53 Praise the Lord for that. 09:54 Amen. Yes. 09:55 We have a song that we like to share. 09:57 There's more that you will want to know 09:59 about International Children's Relief Fund, 10:02 and the exciting things that are happening in Cuba 10:06 for the preaching of the gospel, 10:07 so we want to encourage you to stay tuned. 10:10 But at this moment, we like for you to enjoy 10:14 the blessing of a song that we're gonna share with you 10:17 by Paulo Torres 10:20 and he will be instrumental violin 10:24 and the title of the song is "The Love of God." 15:43 Amen. Praise the Lord. 15:45 Amen. 15:46 Well, the love of God 15:47 and this is a wonderful rendition, 15:49 instrumental rendition of a song 15:52 that expresses the love of God. 15:55 I mean, you cannot compare the love of God 15:57 to anything upon the earth. 15:59 The closest thing they say is a mother's love, 16:01 but it goes far beyond of mother's love. 16:04 Praise the Lord. 16:06 We want to encourage you to pray 16:09 for the ministry in song the 3ABN has 16:12 because this also is evangelism. 16:15 And talking about evangelism, 16:17 you know, 3ABN has had a desire to see 16:20 the fulfillment of the gospel preached all over the world 16:24 because in Matthew 24:14, it says, 16:26 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached 16:28 "in all the world for a witness unto all nations, 16:32 and then the end shall come." 16:34 And as we talk about a place called Cuba, 16:37 I know many people have interest in Cuba 16:40 and wonder what's going on there 16:42 because communism for many, many years had control 16:45 and how is the gospel advancing in Cuba. 16:48 We've heard reports from time to time about Cuba. 16:52 In 2001, 3ABN participated with the Spanish 16:55 La Voz de La Esperanza which is, 16:57 many of you know 16:59 the Voice of Prophecy in English. 17:00 We have a Spanish equivalent called La Voz de La Esperanza 17:03 and 3ABN in 2001, 17:05 early 2001 went with them 17:08 and recorded an evangelistic campaign. 17:11 And that was called "Cuba, Jesus loves you" 17:16 with Pastor Alexander Bullion. 17:18 A magnificent wonderful opportunity 17:20 to preach the gospel there. 17:21 But, there are some things going on recently 17:24 that we'd like for you to hear about 17:26 because this is an eyebrow raising 17:29 and things that you say, "Well, praise the Lord." 17:31 So we want you to listen carefully 17:33 to what's going on. 17:34 Pastor Hernell, tell us about what's going on in Cuba 17:37 in the preaching of the gospel? 17:39 And what you have been doing there 17:40 and tell us how the Lord has been working 17:43 and opening doors 17:44 because this is just marvelous news. 17:48 It is amazing 17:51 about how the Lord change the situation 17:56 and you said, but how can be possible? 17:58 So for almost 60 years of religion restriction, 18:03 now the government said, 18:06 "Yes, we want to consider your proposal." 18:12 Twenty years ago, I start to visiting Cuba, 18:17 and with the same propose. 18:21 But... 18:23 With the same... 18:24 Propose. Purpose. 18:26 Yeah, purpose, yeah. 18:28 Okay, And I receive a very welcome, 18:32 you know, from the government agencies, 18:37 but I remember one time, 18:42 I have a 45 minutes with the same question, 18:46 and I would like to answer. 18:50 And I think I answer appropriately. 18:53 Their question was this particular individual 18:56 from the government asked to me. 18:58 And at the end... 19:02 And the question was simple. 19:03 He said, how can be possible? 19:06 You have this particular license 19:09 from the US government when we haven embargo? 19:13 And I said to, well, 19:15 I apply and the government given the license for. 19:19 And I say, yeah, yeah, 19:20 but if it's something else 19:22 who give it to you they'll answer. 19:25 So once again it's 45 minutes with the same question. 19:29 And I said finally, Okay, 19:31 I want to tell you another truth, 19:33 I start with telling the truth for to begin with. 19:37 But I want to tell you who give me this license. 19:42 And I see these guys, you know, 19:44 pay more attention what they have before. 19:47 And I said, "When I give you the name, 19:52 you're going to believe me. 19:56 And it will be hard for you because you are a communist. 20:02 The person who gave me that is God. 20:05 The Lord give me this license for 20:07 and do you trust me? 20:09 And do you believe me?" 20:10 And the guy said, Yes, I believe you, 20:13 but I have sown lagoons. 20:16 So, you know... 20:18 So let me see if I understand you. 20:21 You kind of picked up the story somewhere in the middle 20:24 because you have been given a license 20:27 by the US government to be able to bring things into Cuba. 20:31 It is correct. 20:32 Even though there is an embargo. 20:34 It is correct. 20:35 You are able to bring things into Cuba 20:37 to further the preaching of the gospel and to... 20:39 Yes, it is correct. 20:41 We was in partnership with the former 20:45 Seventh-day Adventist hospitals in Florida. 20:48 So we feed, we help hospitals in Cuba. 20:52 Okay. 20:53 And so they know us, 20:55 they know the Seventh-day Adventist 20:56 is a good people, trying to helping them. 20:59 Now that's very interesting because you're saying 21:03 that somebody from the Cuban government 21:05 had for 45 minutes kept wondering 21:10 or asking you who, how did you do this? 21:12 How is it possible? 21:14 And so finally the best answer you could give him 21:17 is God did it through different means. 21:20 Exactly. 21:21 Because if I mentioned I talk with this people, 21:25 it's a regular procedure, but not for them. 21:29 Now this license or this permission 21:31 or authorization that you have from the US government, 21:34 how long does this last? 21:38 The permission was for a temporary couple of years 21:42 and some amount of money and have to inform them 21:46 every time when I travel to Cuba. 21:48 I have to follow some regulations. 21:50 Okay. Okay. 21:52 I cannot be in hotels, I cannot... 21:55 So I respect all the rules. 21:58 But in this particular case, 22:01 he tried to asking me 22:02 for some particular information, 22:06 it is not appropriate I answer. 22:10 And in order to get more implication, right? 22:14 So when I answer that, he said, 22:18 "O Pastor Hernell, 22:20 I know what kind of people you are 22:21 a Seventh-day Adventists and the final question 22:25 what I'm asking you if we're about, 22:27 and he mentioned some names. 22:30 Do you know these people? 22:31 Do you know because they are not in the same 22:34 like at the Seventh-day Adventist? 22:36 They do counter revolution and so. 22:38 So when I saw that, I waited until he finished. 22:42 I said, "Sir with all your respect, 22:46 or my respect, I wanna tell you, 22:49 you owe me an apologize." 22:52 And the guy's surprised. 22:53 "How can be possible?" 22:55 Yeah, I said because I am not working 22:58 for the CIA or FBI 23:01 and even the Cuban, you know... 23:05 Political system. 23:07 Political agent. 23:08 I don't do that. 23:09 I am a Seventh-day Adventist, 23:12 the reason why I live in the United States 23:15 is because I consider... 23:19 It's more much better if I go out my country. 23:23 But now, once again 23:26 I think in my relation over here is finished. 23:29 So, the guy tried to apologize once again and once again, 23:33 but I returned to United States, 23:36 I've been contact with the license, 23:39 you know, I said, they recommend, 23:41 "Hernell, I don't think it's appropriate. 23:43 You return with the problem in Cuba." 23:45 So from there, 23:47 past 20 years until a couple of years ago, 23:50 I was visiting Cuba 23:52 with the same purpose, helping them. 23:54 Okay. Now I understand a little better. 23:56 So you said this happened 20 years ago? 23:58 It's correct. 24:00 This happened 20 years ago. 24:01 Now do you still have the license 24:03 to bring things into Cuba to further the gospel? 24:07 Okay. 24:08 Now up here International Children's Relief Fund. 24:12 So with the experience of what I had before 24:14 with the government of Cuba, 24:15 I incorporate ICRF as a CEO in Tennessee. 24:21 So I now develop 24:23 this new concept and once again, 24:26 in one of my visits, one of this guy come to me. 24:31 Not the same guy, another? 24:32 No, no, no. I said... 24:34 Another guy? 24:35 Another new guy and more charm, 24:39 more friendly, of course, total different. 24:44 And in one of the interview, he said, Pastor Hernell, 24:49 how do you think Cuba as a religious liberty? 24:53 And I said, well, I wanted to tell you the truth. 24:59 I live in 1988, 1980 because I... 25:05 You left Cuba in 1980? 25:07 Yeah, in 1980. Okay. 25:09 And Andreso was the first in my family moved to US 25:15 so his family reunion. 25:16 But the second one is more important. 25:19 I lost the opportunity to be a doctor 25:24 because the government don't allowed to me 25:27 to go to school in Cuba. 25:32 And no opportunity because Saturday 25:34 you have to go, even now. 25:35 Even now. 25:37 Yeah, you have to attend... 25:38 In school, in universities, you have to... 25:40 You have to attend a... 25:41 Sabbath school on Saturdays. 25:42 On Saturday. 25:44 So I said but my surprise is I come in 25:46 and I see hundreds of Seventh-day Adventist, 25:49 doctors, professionals, and is something strange. 25:53 Yes. 25:55 Yes, they say yes, yes of course. 25:57 Now, you don't have to hide your belief, 26:01 even if you want to be 26:03 a member of the communist party. 26:05 I respect you, I made the government respect. 26:07 I say, "Wow, it's good news for me because I don't know," 26:11 I answered to him. 26:12 This is very, very interesting and I know some stories 26:15 about some pastors, 26:16 they had very difficult times in Cuba 26:20 because they were pastors. 26:22 But now, you're saying 26:23 that there's been a change in Cuba 26:26 where it's not as dangerous, can I say that way? 26:29 It's correct. 26:30 Dangerous to say that you're a Christian. 26:33 And so now it seems like tension is lower 26:38 perhaps in this area and you're not marginalized 26:43 as much as before 26:44 or there may be still some left I guess. 26:47 But opportunities are open now for Christians to do things. 26:52 Well, really... 26:54 I know some Christians though, 26:56 I know some Seventh-day Adventists 26:57 that have gone to jail 26:59 because of their beliefs in Cuba. 27:01 It is correct. Yes. 27:02 Well, I was one of them. 27:03 You were one of them? 27:05 Exactly, I was one of them. 27:06 But now he said, 27:08 "Tell me what is your appreciation 27:10 about Christian or religious liberty?" 27:14 So I answer him that way. 27:15 But, the very interesting point what I want to make emphasize 27:19 is a this guy told me, 27:22 "Hernell, 27:27 we have a several individual religious like you 27:31 but are not Adventists." 27:33 And he mentioned the denomination, 27:35 who do counter revolution activities 27:38 in Cuba right now. 27:39 Okay. 27:41 You know, so people's looking like Christian, 27:43 but they are not because I believe 27:46 that real Christian is not involved in politics. 27:51 Okay. You have to be careful. 27:53 Political movement. 27:54 Exactly. 27:56 So at the time 27:57 when he has start preparing the approach, 28:02 I am thinking 20 years back, right? 28:05 When the guy told me, 28:07 "Hey, what do you think about this guys and..." 28:10 But the guy 20 years ago 28:11 was trying to get your cooperation 28:14 to do things for the Cuban government. 28:16 It is correct. 28:17 This is what I smell at the time 28:20 when he approached and questioned. 28:22 Twenty years ago, but now recently... 28:24 Yes, I have this interview with him, 28:27 he asked me this question and I'm suspicious again. 28:31 Oh, they're coming from the same 45 minutes 28:34 with another question. 28:35 So he show me, 28:37 he said the Seventh-day Adventist 28:40 is not involved 28:41 in counter revolution activities over here, 28:43 but in some religion, 28:45 yes and he mentioned the name of the religion 28:47 and that do you know something about it 28:49 and I said, "Ah. 28:50 Let me tell you something. 28:52 Twenty years ago and I refreshed the memory 28:54 what's happened, and I don't want to answer. 28:59 If you're going that direction, please, 29:01 I think we are finished this conversation. 29:04 And the guy said, "No, no, not at all. 29:07 It is only to see 29:10 what is your observational look at it. 29:13 How you can observe, 29:15 what observation you can bring in order 29:17 the Cuban government can say yes, 29:21 we have a religious liberty?" 29:24 I said, "Well," and, Dinzey, 29:28 it is the time where the Lord give me a surprise. 29:34 Because it's nothing is coming in my mind to answer. 29:39 And I don't think about the answer 29:42 in order to give it to him, what he's asking for. 29:45 So the point is, I said, really? 29:49 Do you want to know what you can do? 29:52 Yes. 29:54 Give opportunity to have a television station. 29:58 Not for Seventh-day Adventist, for everyone. 30:01 And people can see 30:03 something different beside politics. 30:06 You can see something to care about people himself, 30:10 take care about the family. 30:11 Take care about a belief what you show me. 30:14 So I think it is the opportunity 30:17 for the government to do that. 30:18 So you asked the government to give the opportunity 30:21 to have a Christian television channel in Cuba? 30:24 Correct. Okay. 30:26 Now let me ask you another question 30:27 related to this and maybe either Pedro or you can answer. 30:33 What is the current situation for television? 30:38 You go to some countries and all the frequencies 30:40 are taken with different channels. 30:43 How is Cuba? 30:45 How many channels do they have on the air? 30:47 Can anyone get a television license? 30:50 Or is it only the government that can have a television? 30:54 The government controls the television system, 30:59 the internet, the nets... 31:04 The nets? The nets. 31:05 So they do have only two channels on Cuba. 31:09 But right now... 31:10 Nationwide only? 31:11 Yes, national wide all two channels. 31:13 But now, with the internet opening in Cuba, 31:18 they have access now 31:20 to a lot of other different programs 31:22 that are not provided by those two channels. 31:27 So now they have the opportunity 31:29 to select different package of movies, 31:35 different things, nature, health, 31:37 different topics that they want. 31:39 And they were... 31:41 But only on those two TV channels. 31:43 No. 31:45 This is totally different. Totally different. 31:46 They pluck the... 31:48 They buy like a memory... 31:49 A memory? 31:50 RAM that will have all the programs 31:53 that you would choose for a whole month. 31:56 It's like a cable 31:58 so we can understand and in that, 32:01 we'll have all that you want choose on the month 32:04 and they have access to that too. 32:06 In addition to the two TV stations 32:09 that they have there. 32:10 So it's not that you are, 32:13 people turn on their TV and they can get more channels. 32:16 They can only get two channels. 32:17 Exactly. 32:19 Pastor Hernell is saying we want another channel 32:21 that will be three channels 32:23 on the air that people can access to. 32:25 Now these are free television channels? 32:27 Yes. Correct. 32:28 You want to get a third free television channel. 32:30 Correct. 32:31 But you're talking about something else 32:33 that I'm familiar with, 32:34 and that is that the people in the streets 32:36 sell TV programs, movies, soap operas, comedies whatever. 32:41 Correct. 32:43 And they're selling them on memories 32:44 that people can put into their computer 32:46 and then be able to see these television things. 32:49 Of course. Yes. 32:51 All of these programs have to be authorized. 32:55 Authorized by the government. 32:57 It is nobody can go over there with, 32:59 well I want to show this and people can buy 33:02 in the corner of the house. 33:03 No, no, no, no. 33:05 They supervise everything 33:07 because the origin of this particular program 33:10 has to be authorized for the government. 33:12 Okay. 33:13 So at a time when I said that to this guy 33:16 and he said quickly, Pastor Hernandez, 33:20 I would like to help you but I cannot. 33:23 He said, "You can guide me." 33:27 And... 33:29 Now this is interesting. 33:31 An interesting response 33:32 because I would like to help you he said. 33:35 Now this is a communist leader in the government? 33:38 Correct. That's very interesting. 33:40 How did he go? What did he say? 33:41 Well, after couple of visits, 33:48 we take it maybe a year, 33:51 I receive a connection 33:53 with some particular level of the government. 33:57 And one of them suggest, you have to write a letter. 33:59 Okay. 34:01 And I said, "Well, a letter, very well." 34:03 Yes, yes. 34:05 So I tried to include the Seventh-day Adventist, 34:08 you know, to make the letter. 34:11 And for some wise advice and reasons, 34:17 we don't do 34:19 with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 34:20 So I have to write the letter of president 34:24 of the International Children. 34:26 So we sent this letter to the president of Cuba. 34:30 Can you explain the reason why it is wise 34:33 not to include the Seventh-day Adventist Church 34:35 in the letter to the government of Cuba? 34:38 In this that you're trying 34:40 to do together a television channel? 34:42 It is very wise not to because if we did that, 34:46 that way, then they will pinpoint 34:49 the Adventist Church 34:52 for any single fault 34:54 that they may see or think that it would be. 34:58 So by not putting the name of Seventh-day Adventist but... 35:05 In the proposal. 35:06 In the proposal but doing it 35:08 with the Seventh-day Adventist Church 35:10 is gonna be an obvious. 35:12 It shows that this is who I am, 35:14 but I'm not showing you my face. 35:16 Okay, so you are saying... 35:18 I have a couple of few questions. 35:21 When you presented this idea, 35:25 somebody in the Seventh-day Adventist Church leadership 35:29 advised you not to include 35:31 the name of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 35:32 is that correct? 35:34 Because in Cuba you have the Cuban union 35:36 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 35:38 and it has some conferences. 35:40 What was their view on this idea of not putting 35:43 the name of the church in the proposal? 35:45 What did they say? 35:46 Okay. 35:47 Right now, we are in the process 35:50 to do it what we are doing. 35:52 So it is a fine line 35:57 we can express some information. 36:01 Not because it's have a problem in information 36:04 but we have to be careful what we say, right? 36:08 So I approach to the president, 36:12 the pastor president in the Cuban union. 36:15 And after advice of other pastor, 36:18 they recommend we do, 36:22 I do for International Children Fund. 36:25 International Children's Fund. 36:26 So this is the letter head 36:28 and this is the idea and the concept. 36:30 So the Seventh-day Adventist Church 36:32 can participate but not necessary with the name 36:35 but what program and things like that. 36:37 Exactly. 36:38 Now a question. 36:41 Can 3ABN 36:42 provide programming 36:44 for the memory that you give to people, 36:50 3ABN can participate this way. 36:52 Is that correct? 36:54 Yes. 36:55 You remember pastor when we visited... 36:56 I'm asking because I know. 36:58 You remember we visit Cuba. 37:00 And we in the very beginning, 37:03 was wise where the Lord use us 37:06 and represent several programs, different programs. 37:09 And I think it past a few years 37:12 in order to receive the answer from the Almighty. 37:16 And now they saw this program 37:18 so when I make the letter 37:20 to the president and they answered. 37:26 And the president that rule the institution. 37:29 The president of? 37:31 Of the Cuba. 37:32 The actual president of Cuba. 37:34 The president of the country of Cuba. 37:35 That's correct. Okay. 37:36 Of course through the channels is as religious 37:40 so he answered to me with a letter of authorization. 37:46 And one of the paragraph saying Chaplain Hernandez, 37:52 if you have the opportunity to bring us a program structure 37:57 and he mentioned music, he mentioned family, 38:01 he mentioned religious 38:02 so he's saying they are the only 38:04 because they are good programs. 38:06 So they aren't looking all their programs. 38:08 They are looking for 3ABN 38:09 because this is examples we bring before. 38:12 Now, I'm gonna give a little background to this 38:16 because 3ABN several years ago, I personally took, 38:21 Pastor Hernell, 38:22 I don't know where you were at that time 38:24 but about five to six years ago maybe, 38:27 I took some DVD's of our 3ABN programming, 38:31 Spanish 3ABN programming to the union 38:35 because we received some donations and we heard 38:38 that the churches have DVD players and TV's 38:42 and the university 38:43 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 38:44 had the possibility of making copies 38:48 so that the copies they made can go 38:52 to the different churches and groups. 38:54 So we took a good sample of some of the programming 38:57 of our five to six years ago. 38:59 Now you are referring to something we did 39:01 about three years ago. 39:03 Pastor Hernell and I went. 39:05 This time the samples of our programs were not taken 39:10 to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 39:11 they were taken to the Cuban government. 39:14 That's correct. 39:15 Marriage seminars, 39:16 health programs and drug prevention programs 39:20 of the 3ABN Latino has. 39:22 And we took that and you share that 39:23 with the Cuban government. 39:25 Of course. 39:26 And then they looked this stuff over. 39:27 They looked at this over and they decided 39:30 that they want some more of this, 39:31 they want some more programs. 39:33 It is correct. 39:34 So now, the answer of my proposal 39:39 was give me the opportunity 39:41 to have a studio, television studio. 39:44 We want to do this and this. 39:46 So... In Cuba? 39:47 A television studio in Cuba? 39:48 In Cuba, of course. 39:50 He said, well I have a paper, 39:55 a contract with them saying 39:58 anything what you want to broadcast 40:01 through the network. 40:04 The network what Pedro mentioned, 40:06 you know, passed to us. 40:08 So we need to see what you select, 40:13 we want to see, we have, we signed that and we release. 40:17 And you can do it. 40:19 Okay. 40:20 It is not like a... 40:21 I want to do whatever I... 40:23 No, no. 40:24 And it is... 40:26 It's on legal implications. 40:27 So I have to be right with them. 40:30 So I said well, we have a several TV station, 40:35 Christian television station 40:37 include Adventist and non-Adventist. 40:39 Right. 40:40 Do you think they are welcome? 40:42 All of them? 40:43 But the rule for now it is a... 40:44 You have to show me the programs. 40:47 And they want some edit teams such as put some kind of, 40:52 we can call "commercials," 40:54 but it's not appropriate before Cuba. 40:57 I mean they said, 40:58 let me put some advertisings 41:00 in order to keep the city cleanse, 41:03 you know, don't drop garbage, 41:04 pick it up so that's kind of announcement 41:08 we can do at beginning, 41:10 of the end of each program of week one two. 41:13 Now this is the Cuban government saying 41:16 they would like to put the announcements 41:19 in the beginning or the end, and in between programs. 41:22 Exactly. 41:23 About keeping the city clean, 41:25 keeping water safe and all these type of things. 41:29 You're saying are they political? 41:30 No. No political? 41:32 No, this is one of my proposal. 41:34 I said, "I don't want to be involved 41:37 or manipulate in political issues. 41:40 Not at all." 41:41 Not at all, okay. 41:42 So it is by writing. 41:44 You're being clear to our viewers 41:46 about what is happening here. 41:49 It is correct. 41:51 And that is why we were advised not to use 41:55 the Seventh-day Adventist because the government 41:58 if they give us that opportunity, 42:01 then they have to give the same opportunity 42:03 to all the other church's denominations 42:05 and they will want to prevent that. 42:08 So in this way, 42:10 we are welcome also all their denominations 42:15 but on their own supervision so, yes, 42:18 it is a Seventh-day Adventist Church 42:19 who's going to be running the TV station, 42:24 but not under the name of Seventh-day Adventist. 42:27 That's how we have to work in order to be accomplished 42:31 with the rules and regulations of that country has. 42:34 And be free of any political issue. 42:39 I understand based on prior conversations 42:42 because 3ABN, 42:43 we've tried to go in there with, 42:45 trying to get a frequency to get on the air. 42:49 I understand that the Cuban government 42:50 is not prepared to give a TV license, 42:55 a TV channel to any religious denomination, 43:01 specifically, or to any particular church. 43:05 They are more open to the idea of having a television channel 43:08 where different religious groups 43:10 can put on their programming. 43:12 Now, part of the proposal, 43:15 I understand that you presented to the council of churches 43:19 that they have there is that 43:21 from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, 43:25 all of that time 43:26 is for Seventh-day Adventist programming. 43:28 Is that correct? 43:29 Yeah. 43:31 We make a proposal saying if we put one channel, 43:34 we want to divide time, 43:37 in order to give opportunity to all the religious 43:38 but please give it to us the chance to from Saturday, 43:42 a Friday night to Saturday use for Seventh-day Adventist. 43:47 This particular question, they don't answer. 43:50 They said, give it to us, 43:53 programs such as 3ABN give it to me 43:56 and we're going to put in our official channel. 44:00 Okay, the broadcasting in the regular 44:03 two channels or service. 44:04 This is what they intend to do with this but beside that, 44:09 I saw the big opportunity, why? 44:13 Because sometimes because the economic situation, 44:17 one tower in Oriente or any province falling down 44:22 because he reckoned or whatever. 44:24 They don't fix it. 44:26 So this region doesn't have access 44:28 to their regular television. 44:29 But now the network they create it, okay. 44:34 It is a little bit complicated to explain, but it's simple. 44:39 In every corner of any community, 44:42 you get somebody who receive they call it the package. 44:47 So where they receive a secular... 44:49 The television package. 44:50 Exactly. 44:52 So now, they authorize us. 44:54 To have a religious package. 44:55 Truly and we are the only ones. 44:58 Okay. 44:59 We are the first one and the Seventh-day Adventist 45:02 under the umbrella of ICRF has this opportunity. 45:06 So now we can develop, 45:09 you know, or introduce any channel, 45:11 any program from 3ABN, any program from... 45:15 Hope Channel. 45:16 Any program from Hope Channel, anyone's. 45:19 So it is the opportunity where the Lord opened. 45:22 So let me see if I understand this right 45:23 and perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong, 45:26 there are really three opportunities. 45:29 Opportunity number one is the package. 45:31 That is available in the corner, 45:33 people can buy this and you're selling this 45:35 or you giving this away the package, 45:38 people that want the programming in the corner 45:40 in the USB memory? 45:42 Yeah. 45:44 That is why the people have access. 45:45 We don't sell it. 45:47 You don't sell it? No, no, we don't sell it. 45:48 We put it in the system. 45:50 You put in the system? 45:51 In the system and somebody go to visit every province 45:55 and every province go on to the municipals. 45:58 Municipalities, communities. 46:00 Exactly and now at the end, in every four blocks, 46:04 you can found somebody. 46:05 Somebody that is making this available. 46:07 For a couple of pesos. 46:09 Couple of Cuban pesos. 46:10 Okay. 46:12 So that's opportunity number one. 46:13 Opportunity number two 46:14 is that the Cuban government has said 46:17 they want some of the program, 46:18 they want the programming that 3ABN has, 46:21 health programs, 46:22 marriage programs that promote good values. 46:25 Yes. 46:26 You're not ready for religious programming yet 46:28 because we're talking about the two nationwide TV channels 46:32 that the government puts programming on. 46:33 Correct. 46:35 Of course they have to look at it first 46:36 before they put it on the air. 46:38 But this is opportunity number two. 46:40 Number two, okay. 46:42 Opportunity number three is a television channel 46:45 that they are in the process of authorization. 46:50 What is the process? 46:52 Okay, let me say... 46:56 Well, you have the studio as well. 46:57 They've given you permission, that's opportunity number four, 47:01 to have a TV studio in Cuba. 47:04 I think you talked once about two TV studios in Cuba. 47:07 But anyway, TV studio in Cuba 47:09 to produce programs also in Cuba. 47:11 Correct. 47:12 Answer to first question is... 47:17 When they give it to me 47:21 by writing the official authorization, 47:25 we receive some instruction verbally. 47:28 Okay. Okay. 47:30 So the observation is 47:33 they're going to see how work the... 47:38 The other opportunities. Exactly. 47:40 Even our behavior. 47:42 Okay. Okay. 47:44 Let me see how you run in this news activities 47:49 really is going through the package, 47:52 you know, the network package. 47:53 So Hernell, be patient so we're going to consider. 47:58 So I understood. 48:00 So what we believe but... 48:01 Okay. 48:03 Because of time, I'm going to see if I summarize 48:04 some of this because I understand. 48:07 Now the Cuban government 48:09 is still very cautious about this. 48:10 Correct. 48:12 Therefore, they wanna see 48:13 what you do with the other opportunities. 48:15 Opportunity one, with the package. 48:18 Opportunity two, with the television programs 48:20 they're gonna put on the two TV stations 48:21 that are national wide. 48:23 And opportunity three, this studio, 48:26 they wanna see what you do first 48:28 before they approve the channel, 48:31 what will be the third channel, 48:33 that will be a religious channel 48:34 to reach all of Cuba. 48:35 Okay. Exactly. 48:37 Okay, now we're ready. 48:38 I don't know if you wanna share something else 48:40 before I ask you this question. 48:41 Well, when we saw the hand of God 48:47 making this significant change. 48:51 Yes. 48:52 And don't coming for us. 48:53 Right. 48:55 Coming from them. 48:57 I see the hand of God. 48:59 It is not normal. 49:01 It is not the regular way what human do. 49:04 Yes. 49:05 We follow religious policy. 49:07 I don't say despite. 49:09 But in this particular say, 49:11 the Lord don't use religious policy 49:15 in order to go access through. 49:17 Even traditional methods. 49:20 Well let me see, let's pray for someone go... 49:24 No, no, no. 49:26 It's something coming from them in a way I said, 49:28 I don't expect to answer. 49:31 This guy what he asked me for when I said give it 49:35 the opportunity to get a television. 49:37 So now the challenge, 49:39 Pastor Dinzey, is raising the funds. 49:45 Okay, that was my question. 49:47 We have two minutes. 49:48 We need to know what are the needs, 49:50 immediate needs and long term needs 49:52 to make all this happen? 49:54 What are the needs that you have? 49:57 I know you have to put a studio together actually, 50:00 we have a picture. 50:01 Are you ready for picture? 50:02 Yes. Okay. 50:04 Now what is this that we're looking at here? 50:05 Okay, this is a facility belong to the property, 50:08 it belong to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in CamagA 50:11 Quey. Okay. 50:12 In the bottom, they have the first day care, 50:15 this is another miracle that... 50:17 Children's day care. 50:18 Children day care. 50:19 Okay. 50:21 So we intend to build On the second level? 50:22 On the second level. 50:24 For the studio? 50:25 For the studio. 50:27 So it is one of the issues. 50:29 I talked to the government, well, 50:30 we have the intention to build, but it is hard to found a nail. 50:36 A nail? 50:37 When you have a nail, you need a hammer. 50:39 And when you have the block, you don't have cement. 50:41 So in a funny way and I say no, no, no. 50:44 It is okay. 50:45 It's because they blocked, of course. 50:47 They're going to... 50:48 The embargo. 50:51 So I said, I need... 50:52 How you can help me? 50:54 And we receive, 50:55 we already have the permission to export 50:58 from Home Depo all the materials, 51:00 in order to go to Cuba and build that. 51:03 Okay, so you have permission from the US government... 51:05 Correct. 51:07 To bring all the building materials 51:09 you need into Cuba to put the studio together? 51:12 Correct. Okay, this is one need. 51:13 How much money is needed for it? 51:15 Well in the internet, we make a some... 51:19 You have 30 seconds to tell me. 51:21 Yeah, yeah, I don't remember the amount but... 51:23 The amount, several thousand dollars. 51:26 Several thousand dollars. From 30,000-50,000. 51:27 And the information is in the website. 51:31 So you have other needs to make the other things happen, 51:33 the package you have, you need computers, 51:36 you need things like that. 51:37 We're gonna have to ask you some more questions 51:40 after we have our news break, we have a news break, 51:42 and then we're coming back. 51:44 We have some final moments with them 51:46 and then we'll return for great news. 51:52 God has been using non-traditional methods 51:54 to show His power in Cuba 51:56 and the results have been extraordinary. 51:58 Now the Cuban government is authorized 52:00 International Children's Relief Fund 52:03 to build a television studio to prepare Christian programs 52:06 to be broadcast in that country. 52:08 If you like to support this project, 52:10 visit their website ICRFInc.org. 52:16 That's ICRFInc.org. 52:19 You can call them at (260) 615-6065. 52:25 You can also write to them 52:26 at International Children's Relief Fund, 52:28 9612, Dayton Pike, Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee 37379. |
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