I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome
once again to 3ABN Today,
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the mending
broken people network,
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and we thank you so
much for your support,
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your love, your prayers,
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and your
financial support of 3ABN.
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I'm Shelley Quinn. I'm JD Quinn.
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And we're glad that
you are joining us today.
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We have an incredible testimony.
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Amen.
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We've got two pastor's kids
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on the set with us.
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But we're gonna
double that before the end.
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Let me read to you
a real quick scripture
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and this has a
lot to do with today,
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Proverbs 16:6 says...
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Excuse me, Proverbs 22:6 says,
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"Train up a child in
the way he should go,
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and when he is old he
will not depart from it."
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We are going to see
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how two people were
trained up in Christian homes
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and how now they're
training up their children
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because this is a
mission oriented family.
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Let me introduce
our special guest.
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First, papa's son.
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I know that you are not
for most of 3ABN viewers,
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anybody that has children,
your face is very familiar
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because Pastor Christian Martin,
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you are with the Living Hope
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Seventh-day
Adventist community church
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in Haymarket, Virginia.
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That's right. That's right.
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But you are also
the host of Bible Buzz.
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Bible Buzz.
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That's right, B-I-B-L-E. Yeah.
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On the 3ABN Kids Camp. Yes.
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We had such fun,
didn't we? Oh, we had a blast.
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It was incredible.
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We want to thank
you for that. Thank you.
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And then your lovely
wife Heidi is with you.
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Heidi, you are a
licensed social worker, correct?
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Yes, I am. And I'm
so happy to be here.
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Oh, we're happy
to have you here.
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We're going to kind
of postpone the music
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that we normally
show at the front,
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end of the program
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because we're gonna
bring their children on
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in just a moment that will,
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while the music's going,
we can get them miked up,
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but let's just kind of jump in.
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Christian, tell us
about growing up as a PK,
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a pastor's kid.
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Sure.
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Well, Shelley, JD,
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I'm a fifth generation
Seventh-day Adventist,
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fifth generation.
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In fact, going
back five generations,
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my family were among the first
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converts to Adventism
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in the continent
of South America.
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Wow. So it's a
rich family history.
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Yeah.
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But as a fifth generation
Seventh-day Adventist,
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I did come to a
place where I realized,
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you know, I had
to take ownership
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of my faith.
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It wasn't...
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In other words you can be
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a fifth generation
Seventh-day Adventist
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and not be a Christian.
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Yes, yes.
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You've got to
have that one on one.
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You know, it's my dad's
faith, it's my grandpa's faith,
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it's my family's faith.
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But, the reason I'm saying this
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is because it's such
a key point to emphasize
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because, you know,
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when I was a student
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at Southern
Adventist University,
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that's when I had my
"conversion experience."
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I cried out to heaven,
and I said, "God convict me."
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Because I began to
ask myself, who am I
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and why do I
believe what I believe.
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Right. And God
answered my prayers.
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So that was the
beginning of my journey.
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And, but yes, I do
come from a rich background.
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My dad was a
pastor for 30 some years
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all my life
growing up at home...
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And this was Argentina?
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I was born in Argentina. Okay.
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And my dad began
his pastoral ministry
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at a young age.
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I was born into a pastor's home.
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But when I was eight months old,
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my parents took a
call to the mission field.
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So they went to Central America.
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And they were in El
Salvador and Honduras
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for about five
years, five years.
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And so my
upbringing at an early age
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was in a mission
context, mission field.
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And then we moved to
Texas, the country of taxes.
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Amen.
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Right, JD? Exactly.
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Very well put.
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But I was about six
years old and we actually fled,
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literally fled
to Central America
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'cause of the Civil
War during that time.
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Yes.
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It was dangerous to
continue living there.
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And so my
parents moved us to Texas
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and my dad
continued as a pastor,
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and I continued as a
PK or a pastor's kid.
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So that was my upbringing.
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So my question is
when you were in Andrews,
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were you already
studying religion?
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I mean, so basically,
you went through the motions.
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You had the culture around you.
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Shelley, you're precisely right.
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Okay.
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'Cause get this.
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I actually sensed,
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God works in
mysterious ways, doesn't He?
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Yes, He does.
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God, I sensed a
calling to ministry, okay,
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when I was in high school.
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So prior to going to Southern,
I actually sensed the calling.
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I wanted to go
into pastoral ministry.
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Yes.
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But yet when I
arrived on campus,
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the circumstances were so
that it led me to question,
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you know, do I...
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Have I taken
ownership of my faith?
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I was still under
my parents' identity,
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you know?
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Yes, yes.
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And I believe it was God's doing
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because in order to, you
know, He called me, okay,
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but He shaped me and molded me
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and refined me,
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and took me
through that experience
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to be able to be fully prepared,
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you know, to
enter into ministry.
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You know, the thought
that just occurred to me
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is how He called Saul.
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And here Saul is, I mean,
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anything but a
born again Christian.
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So the calling came first,
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but then God reached your heart,
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and you actually
became a Christian.
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And I just want
to say this at home,
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when we go out,
we travel all over,
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we've met people
who've been in the church
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30 years, 40 years,
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and they never really
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yielded control of
their life to the Lord.
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They never understood
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what it meant to be
filled with the Holy Spirit
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and they've been
never been born again.
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So that's
something that we all need
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to make sure that we're not.
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It's not just a cultural
thing that you go to church.
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Yeah.
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So now, Heidi, your
father was an evangelist.
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Tell us about growing up
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in a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian home?
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Well, it was such
a privilege for me
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to be raised as a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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And I'm so blessed to have
had that experience as well.
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And just learning to have
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a personal relationship with God
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for me is so crucial
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to it not being
your parent's religion,
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to it not being
someone else's thing.
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It becomes personal
when Jesus becomes yours.
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Amen.
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And so a couple of things
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that really made
an impact in my life
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growing up as a pastor's kid,
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one when I was 12 years old,
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I had the privilege to start
going door-to-door canvassing.
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And the neat thing is
that I continued doing that
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all the way till I
was almost 20 years old.
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So every summer, I
spent knocking on doors
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and what a blessing it was
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to be able to
reach people's hearts.
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But in the end, you know,
it really reaches your heart.
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Yes.
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When you're out there
battling, you know, praying...
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Because you have
to be very dependent
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upon the Lord, huh.
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Yeah.
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And then another thing
that was very crucial for me
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was being able to go to
Romania for the first time
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when I was 16.
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And to experience
another part of the world,
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doing evangelism,
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working with people
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in a country very
different from my own,
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and then being
able to go there again
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when I was 18 and
do the same thing.
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Your experience with God
grows, your faith increases
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when you are out
beyond your comfort zone.
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And those things
really did that for me.
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So how old were you when you,
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when Christ became real to
you and became your Savior?
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I would say that
through those experiences
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I was growing.
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Okay.
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But then we had a
Bible study group at Andrews
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that really kind of
cemented everything for me.
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When I was about 19 years old,
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things just really
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went to a whole new
level for me with Jesus.
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Now were you all in the
Andrews at the same time?
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I was at Andrews
for master's program
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at the seminary,
theological seminary.
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It was during that
time that I met Heidi
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'cause I took a call
to the Michigan Conference
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as Seventh-day Adventist,
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as a pastor when I
graduated from Southern.
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So I did meet Heidi in Michigan.
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And when I met her,
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she was involved in
ministry at Andrews.
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Benton Harbor
Street Ministries was
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and is a ministry
that till this very day
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is one of the strongest,
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most active
ministries on campus at Andrews.
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And by the grace of God,
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Heidi was very instrumental
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in founding that ministry.
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Back in 1995 when
I went to Andrews,
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Sabbath afternoons were just,
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I couldn't figure out
what people were doing.
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There was nobody doing anything.
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Yeah. Lot of lay ministries...
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It seemed like
everyone was sleeping.
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And, you know,
it was one Sabbath,
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Pastor Dwight preached a sermon
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and he said, "We
must come to the place
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where what
breaks the heart of God,
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breaks our hearts too."
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And then he started
talking about Benton Harbor.
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And a friend
and I were listening
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and we looked at
each other and said,
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"We got to go down there.
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We got to get down
there." And so we wrapped.
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So it was kind of a dark county,
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the church wasn't there?
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It was...
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There were
churches, but it was the...
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Low income.
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Low income, poor
area of Benton Harbor.
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And we grabbed
four other friends,
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jumped in our car,
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and started driving down
there, praying at every corner.
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And we landed up
on a street, Broadway
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had a lot of boarded up houses,
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very poverty stricken,
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and we just broke
up into groups of two.
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And we started
knocking on the doors
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and saying, "Is there anything
we can pray with you for?"
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And these people were just like,
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"You came to pray with me?"
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And they just started
opening up their hearts
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and telling us,
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"Please, please, we
need, we need help."
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And the next Sabbath,
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Pastor Dwight
found out about it.
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There were 12 people,
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the week after
that there were 60.
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Praise the Lord.
That gave me chills.
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And then it just
grew, grew, grew,
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and when I was there at Andrews,
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I had the privilege
of leading that ministry.
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For a year we had different
leadership teams every year,
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but when I was leading it,
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we had two buses
full of kids going down.
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There were 200 people
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that were showing up down there.
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We were doing health ministry,
we were doing Bible studies,
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we were doing kids
ministry, we had just, I mean,
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it was the Sabbath afternoon
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there was huge things happening.
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Now there's a thriving church.
And now there's a church. Yeah.
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That is amazing.
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Now, let me ask you
because just as Christian knew
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that the call of the Lord
was on his heart for ministry,
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when did you know that
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God was calling you to minister?
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I don't know if I can
pinpoint a specific moment.
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I just knew that I wanted
to be involved in ministry.
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I knew that I loved ministry.
I loved working with people.
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I started out thinking
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I was going to
be a religion major.
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But then I thought, no,
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I don't really
want to be a pastor.
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I don't want to be a teacher,
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but I want to be
involved with ministry,
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I want to be
involved with helping people.
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And that's where I believe
the Lord opened up the door
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for me to go into social work.
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And I'm a licensed
clinical social worker today.
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And it's such a
beautiful ministry
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to be able to pull all
of that into helping people
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and being part
of people's lives.
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And so I can't
specifically say when,
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but all these different
ministry opportunities grew me
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from starting
when I was very young
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and all the way through
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the privilege of being able
to be involved in the church
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at a young age,
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knowing that there
was a place for me.
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Amen. I think that's huge.
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Amen. Amen.
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Yeah.
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You know, and I love
to see the big picture
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that God had in mind, you know,
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as Heidi was
sensing a call to ministry,
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here I was a college student
about to graduate from Southern
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and I get a call to Michigan.
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Yes.
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And when I went up to
Michigan, I was a single guy.
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You know, I was
unmarried and, you know,
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and I see the big
picture, you know,
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and I see God
just beginning to...
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He was weaving in that time.
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Yes, He is starting
to do something special.
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So he's bringing or
she's down to Argentina,
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your home, birth of your place,
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birth of your
place, place of your birth.
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Yeah.
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So now you all show
up at the same event
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and somebody is telling you,
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"Hey, this young pastor
that's where he was born."
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He is from
Argentina, you should meet him.
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And they are telling you,
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"Hey, this gal just
got back from Argentina."
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Tell us about how
God brought you together?
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Well, it was at Campus Apple,
it's a summer camp in Michigan.
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And I was at a pastor's retreat.
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And Heidi was
the program director
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for the summer camp.
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And so it was
our summer retreat.
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And while at Campus Apple,
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you know, people
spoke to me about this girl
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and, you know,
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people spoke to
Heidi about this guy
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and so we
eventually just found ourselves
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having conversation,
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which would continue,
continue, continue, continue,
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and continue.
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In fact, I was a youth pastor
in Battle Creek at that time
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and Heidi was living at Andrews.
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Yeah.
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And I found every reason
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to take my youth
group to Andrews.
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Come on, youth, we
got a project at Andrews.
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We got something going to
do at outreach at Andrews.
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We were doing a
full evangelistic series
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in the theater in
downtown Benton Harbor.
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Praise the Lord.
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And Christian says,
"Hey, I got a drama team.
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Would you guys need a drama?"
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I said, "Well, yeah, why not?"
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You know, I was finding every...
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He brought the team.
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Opportunity to just
come alongside Heidi
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and find ourselves in action,
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you know, in ministry and
that happened quite a bit.
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And the more it happened,
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the more we fell in
love with each other.
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Amen.
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And, you know,
and what's unique,
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Shelley and JD, is that,
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here is a pastor's kid
myself, here's a pastor's kid.
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Okay, and we find
one another, okay?
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Both with the sense of
calling to pastoral ministry.
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Yeah, that's amazing.
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And I wish I could
do a world global survey
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of how many PKs
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which because
the sad fact is that
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many of them check out.
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You know, when, you know,
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when you grew up
in a pastor's home,
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unfortunately, oftentimes,
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you know, there is...
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Well, you are
under a microscope.
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You have people in the church
who are being very judgmental.
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For sure.
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They hold you to
a higher standard.
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I mean, I've seen it happen.
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The challenge is real
and, but by the grace of God,
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here we have both
of us coming together.
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And if that wasn't enough,
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we both now sense a
calling into pastoral ministry
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as two PKs together as one
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now going into
pastoral ministry.
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But one thing I want to
add to that is that I think
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when pastoral
families do ministry together
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it makes a huge
difference for their children.
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They're part of
the family ministry,
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they're not just in a side.
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Can I... I'm gonna add to yours.
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You've added to his,
let me add another here
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is I believe
with all of my heart
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it's when every
family ministers together
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because we often tell people
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if you're having
trouble with your teenager,
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take them on a missionary trip.
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Get them, you know,
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it's, our focus is
in this day and age,
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it seems like kids
are me, me, me and...
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, iPad, iPhone,
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but you get them where they...
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If we involve
children in ministry,
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we'll keep them in the church.
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Yeah.
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You know, and I can be
so thankful, so thankful
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that described my
dad's relationship with me
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as a pastor, you know,
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he was a pastor
but my dad, you know.
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Yeah.
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And what he did was,
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just to give you
a couple examples.
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He was a pastor evangelist,
you know, in the church.
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And so he did full message,
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you know, 20 some night,
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you know, series often.
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And as a 9, 10, 11, 12-year-old,
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I have this memory, vivid memory
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where I was the one
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who controlled the
carousel projector.
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That was the equipment that was,
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you know, prime, you know,
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and but the way we did it was
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he would preach
and night after night.
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And as he preached,
he would snap his finger,
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you know, and
that snap was my cue
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behind that projector
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to advance to the next slide.
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Yeah.
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You know, and can you
imagine as a young kid,
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what a privilege.
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But not just a
privilege but I was all in,
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I was fully engaged
in what was happening.
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And I must have gone through
dozens of evangelistic series,
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you know, paying full
attention because, you know,
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I'm the one in charge
of advancing the slide.
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So no doubt that
made an impact in my life.
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And we would go on visitations.
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My dad would visit
homes, take me with him.
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He would be with the
parents in the living room
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and I was out with,
00:20:14.74\00:20:16.54
you know, the kids in the
yard or playing in the room.
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And on our way home,
00:20:20.98\00:20:22.88
my dad would have a
conversation with me
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and says, "Oh, tell
me how the boys doing
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or how the kids doing?"
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And he brought me
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into a context
of caring for people
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and connecting with
people at an early age.
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But like you said, Shelley,
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he definitely
involved us firsthand,
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you know, into
his pastoral ministry.
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So were you the
only child or...?
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I have a sister.
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Her name's Melissa,
00:20:49.98\00:20:51.31
and school
teacher, school counselor.
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And also, you know,
involved in ministry
00:20:54.35\00:20:58.32
with her kids and her husband.
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Amen. Praise God.
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So how long did it
take for the two of you
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to know this is it,
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this is God's
will for our lives?
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I think that was pretty fast.
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We dated about three months.
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Oh, my goodness.
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We got engaged
within five months
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and we were married.
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A full year, about a
year. Just about a year, yeah.
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So we married a year later.
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Well. Yeah.
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Praise the Lord. Yeah.
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Obviously, it was right.
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We were 24 when we got married.
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Yeah, May 27, 2001.
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And it's been,
we're gonna celebrate,
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you know, 19 years come May.
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Yeah. Praise the Lord.
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So now talk to us.
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We're gonna
bring the children out
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in just a few minutes,
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but talk to us about
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how you, what
was modeled for you
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is what you're
doing in your family,
00:21:52.21\00:21:53.84
because you
believe very strongly
00:21:53.88\00:21:56.41
that children
need to be brought up
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and introduced to
ministry early on.
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And as I said, and
I know I've said this,
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I don't mean to
say it ad nauseam,
00:22:04.35\00:22:05.95
but we were on
our way back from GYC.
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And we had a young
lady in the back seat
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that she had expect her
00:22:11.19\00:22:13.29
why I didn't show
up at the airport.
00:22:13.33\00:22:15.16
So she's literally stuffed
in on top of luggage in the bag
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'cause the car was full.
00:22:19.77\00:22:21.50
But I asked her, I
looked over my shoulder
00:22:21.54\00:22:23.57
and I just said,
00:22:23.61\00:22:25.14
"How do we keep young
people in the church?"
00:22:25.17\00:22:27.04
She was maybe 19.
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And, boy, she just
said it like this no blink,
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no, didn't take a breath.
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She just said,
"Give us a challenge.
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Give us something to do.
00:22:36.08\00:22:37.45
That will keep
us in the church."
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And I think sometimes
00:22:39.69\00:22:41.66
we have this
tendency to put kids,
00:22:41.69\00:22:44.89
you know, kind
of over on the shelf
00:22:44.93\00:22:46.39
or you sit here and
be sweet, and be good,
00:22:46.43\00:22:48.96
and we don't realize
00:22:49.00\00:22:50.93
that we're making
church boring for them.
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So how did God help you
00:22:52.50\00:22:56.47
what you saw modeled,
00:22:56.50\00:22:58.24
you are putting into
practice in your family?
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Well, you know,
before it's demonstrated
00:23:01.34\00:23:05.95
or before there's
evidence of that in the church
00:23:05.98\00:23:09.45
it has to begin in the home.
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If it's not
happening in the home...
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That's good.
00:23:14.66\00:23:15.99
You're not gonna
see it at the church.
00:23:16.02\00:23:17.59
However, if it's not
happening in the home
00:23:17.63\00:23:21.03
because of the nature
of being a pastor's family,
00:23:21.06\00:23:26.23
you got to put up a front,
00:23:26.27\00:23:27.60
you got to look
good, you got to look,
00:23:27.64\00:23:29.54
like you have it
all together, you see.
00:23:29.57\00:23:32.04
But that's the reason why
there's so many challenges
00:23:32.07\00:23:35.31
in pastoral
families because, you know,
00:23:35.34\00:23:38.88
it's not happening in
the home as it should.
00:23:38.91\00:23:41.35
And then when we
arrive to church,
00:23:41.38\00:23:42.88
we have to look our best.
00:23:42.92\00:23:44.69
And so that level of
some degree of hypocrisy
00:23:44.72\00:23:48.36
is what causes a
lot of the problems
00:23:48.39\00:23:51.63
and challenges.
00:23:51.66\00:23:52.99
So again, my point is that
it needs to happen in the home.
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Whether you're
pastor's family or you're not?
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Absolutely.
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That's my context,
00:24:00.57\00:24:01.90
but it applies to every context.
00:24:01.94\00:24:03.47
Amen.
00:24:03.51\00:24:04.84
And so, Heidi and I
are committed as parents
00:24:04.87\00:24:08.41
to prioritize time with Jesus,
00:24:08.44\00:24:13.08
and not only as a family,
00:24:13.11\00:24:15.32
but as individual, personal,
you know personal devotions.
00:24:15.35\00:24:19.42
Heidi, maybe you can talk about
00:24:19.45\00:24:22.29
how we, you know,
encourage Elijah, Moriah
00:24:22.32\00:24:24.59
to develop that
personal relationship.
00:24:24.63\00:24:26.83
Well, we've been...
00:24:26.86\00:24:28.73
From a very young age,
00:24:28.76\00:24:30.27
even when they were two, three,
00:24:30.30\00:24:34.07
you know, kids wake up early,
00:24:34.10\00:24:35.44
you might be trying
to have your devotional
00:24:35.47\00:24:37.67
and there they're
distracting you playing,
00:24:37.71\00:24:40.71
trying to get your attention.
00:24:40.74\00:24:42.64
So one way that my mom
did with my sister and I
00:24:42.68\00:24:46.61
was to just get us each a Bible
00:24:46.65\00:24:48.88
and have us start
underlining the word God.
00:24:48.92\00:24:52.62
While she was
having her worship,
00:24:52.65\00:24:54.19
then we can each
have our own Bible
00:24:54.22\00:24:57.19
and we can start that way.
00:24:57.23\00:24:58.76
Or the name of
Jesus in the Gospel.
00:24:58.79\00:25:00.20
Or Jesus. Yeah.
00:25:00.23\00:25:01.56
And so that's how we
started with our kids too.
00:25:01.60\00:25:04.10
This is a great idea, you know,
00:25:04.13\00:25:05.97
and Elijah and
Moriah started that way.
00:25:06.00\00:25:08.40
And now they have, you know,
00:25:08.44\00:25:10.97
their Sabbath School lesson
00:25:11.01\00:25:12.94
right by their
bed with their Bible.
00:25:12.97\00:25:15.04
And we encourage
them every morning.
00:25:15.08\00:25:17.61
This is what we do first,
before we do anything else,
00:25:17.65\00:25:21.18
the most important thing
00:25:21.22\00:25:23.99
is to start the day with God.
00:25:24.02\00:25:26.92
Matthew 6:33. Yeah.
00:25:26.96\00:25:29.52
"Seek him first, He
adds everything He has to."
00:25:29.56\00:25:31.56
That's right. Amen.
00:25:31.59\00:25:32.93
So they have...
00:25:32.96\00:25:35.03
By God's grace and
our family isn't perfect,
00:25:35.06\00:25:38.23
but by God's grace we've
been developing the habit
00:25:38.27\00:25:41.50
at a very early and young age
00:25:41.54\00:25:44.04
of starting their own
personal walk with God.
00:25:44.07\00:25:47.28
Amen. Yeah.
00:25:47.31\00:25:49.31
Because when you have
that personal walk with God,
00:25:49.34\00:25:53.05
you know, you're
prepared to face any crisis
00:25:53.08\00:25:56.48
that comes
unexpectedly at times.
00:25:56.52\00:25:59.32
You know, how life is, you know?
00:25:59.35\00:26:01.76
And as it did in our life,
00:26:01.79\00:26:04.23
you know, living in Oregon,
00:26:04.26\00:26:06.90
there was a crisis that
00:26:06.93\00:26:10.03
that I experienced in my life.
00:26:10.07\00:26:13.03
It was an accident.
00:26:13.07\00:26:14.64
It was actually an injury
00:26:14.67\00:26:17.94
that I had back in 2000...
00:26:17.97\00:26:20.81
2015. 2015.
00:26:20.84\00:26:23.61
Let me share a
little bit about that
00:26:23.65\00:26:24.98
because, you
know, it comes into play
00:26:25.01\00:26:28.58
when you consider that
00:26:28.62\00:26:30.12
it's a relationship with
Jesus that will prepare you
00:26:30.15\00:26:32.92
to face anything
that comes to you in life.
00:26:32.95\00:26:36.96
And so I was at home,
it was Father's Day, JD,
00:26:36.99\00:26:40.76
it was Father's Day in 2015.
00:26:40.80\00:26:44.07
And in fact, that
afternoon we were planning
00:26:44.10\00:26:47.24
to have a Father's Day
picnic with the church,
00:26:47.27\00:26:51.21
you know, so we
had afternoon plans,
00:26:51.24\00:26:53.11
but that morning
00:26:53.14\00:26:54.74
I decided what
to do a manly job.
00:26:54.78\00:26:58.75
Oh, boy.
00:26:58.78\00:27:00.12
I borrowed a tractor,
00:27:02.85\00:27:05.19
you know, a tractor
and with a front loader.
00:27:05.22\00:27:09.12
And I was gonna do
some yard work, you know.
00:27:09.16\00:27:12.93
And so I went
outside early in the day,
00:27:12.96\00:27:16.77
I started moving dirt
around in the tractor.
00:27:16.80\00:27:20.87
One point I've loaded,
you know, good amount of dirt
00:27:20.90\00:27:24.31
and was trying
to move the tractor
00:27:24.34\00:27:26.34
when I decided
that I needed to get off
00:27:26.37\00:27:29.98
to grab something in the garage,
00:27:30.01\00:27:31.48
and so I stopped the machine,
00:27:31.51\00:27:34.08
I turned it off
pulled out the key, okay,
00:27:34.12\00:27:37.02
and jumped off.
00:27:37.05\00:27:38.49
However,
00:27:38.52\00:27:39.85
I left the front loader high.
00:27:39.89\00:27:44.79
And that's you never do that.
00:27:44.83\00:27:47.56
You don't do that. Yeah.
00:27:47.60\00:27:49.03
So, but, of course, you
know, I'm a pastor, you know,
00:27:49.06\00:27:53.74
my comfort zone is the podium,
00:27:53.77\00:27:56.24
you know, it's not
the tractor, you know.
00:27:56.27\00:27:59.07
So as I'm going to the garage,
00:27:59.11\00:28:00.88
I hear a sound that
I didn't want to hear
00:28:00.91\00:28:05.35
because I turned
00:28:05.38\00:28:06.72
and sure enough the
tractor was rolling.
00:28:06.75\00:28:09.28
It was rolling
towards a drop off.
00:28:09.32\00:28:12.22
It was like about,
00:28:12.25\00:28:13.59
I would say about 10 feet or so.
00:28:13.62\00:28:15.29
Yeah, it was a
ravine. Ravine, it was ravine.
00:28:15.32\00:28:16.69
A borrowed tractor.
00:28:16.73\00:28:18.06
Yeah, a borrowed tractor.
It was a borrowed tractor.
00:28:18.09\00:28:20.06
And so I see it rolling
slowly towards this ravine.
00:28:20.10\00:28:24.40
First thought in my mind is
"Oh, no, I can't let that drop.
00:28:24.43\00:28:29.07
It's borrowed."
00:28:29.10\00:28:30.54
So I ran... So what did I do?
00:28:30.57\00:28:32.41
I decided to run
as quickly as I could,
00:28:32.44\00:28:35.28
and I jumped on as it's moving.
00:28:35.31\00:28:38.05
Okay, now it's
trying to incline forward
00:28:38.08\00:28:41.65
towards the
bottom of this ravine.
00:28:41.68\00:28:44.09
And I'm trying to find a
way to stop it but I can't.
00:28:44.12\00:28:47.06
It's like, what in the
world there's no brake pedal.
00:28:47.09\00:28:50.39
I was looking for a brake pedal,
00:28:50.43\00:28:52.09
but there wasn't any.
00:28:52.13\00:28:53.46
It was, you know,
one of these tractors
00:28:53.50\00:28:55.03
that have its own
different ways of operating,
00:28:55.06\00:28:57.23
so I was like, "Oh, no,
I can't stop this machine,
00:28:57.27\00:29:00.87
I better get out."
00:29:00.90\00:29:02.60
So I jumped off, but as I did
00:29:02.64\00:29:05.64
and the things are
a tilting forward now.
00:29:05.67\00:29:07.34
As I say jump off,
00:29:07.38\00:29:08.94
the gears on my left side
of the seat caught my clothes,
00:29:08.98\00:29:14.35
and it literally flipped me
00:29:14.38\00:29:16.48
completely upside down
00:29:16.52\00:29:17.85
head first, head down, legs up.
00:29:17.89\00:29:20.66
And when that happened,
00:29:20.69\00:29:22.02
I landed hard on my head.
00:29:22.06\00:29:26.80
It didn't knock me out.
00:29:26.83\00:29:28.30
I was still
conscious as I rolled down
00:29:28.33\00:29:30.67
to the bottom of the ravine.
00:29:30.70\00:29:33.30
Almost at the same time,
the tractor falls towards me
00:29:33.34\00:29:37.17
and literally lands
00:29:37.21\00:29:38.54
within an arm's
reach of my body.
00:29:38.57\00:29:41.84
And...
00:29:41.88\00:29:43.21
Well, your angel
was working overtime?
00:29:43.24\00:29:44.58
But as I was laying
there on the ground, Shelley,
00:29:44.61\00:29:47.95
I try to get up, but I
can't, I can't, you know.
00:29:47.98\00:29:51.39
Oh, no.
00:29:51.42\00:29:52.75
I figured that it
was because of the impact
00:29:52.79\00:29:55.32
but little did I realized
00:29:55.36\00:29:56.69
that I had
broken my C2 vertebrae.
00:29:56.73\00:30:01.03
I literally
fractured it in two places.
00:30:01.06\00:30:04.87
The EMT showed up on
the scene within minutes.
00:30:04.90\00:30:08.37
I have a picture
I'd like to share
00:30:08.40\00:30:10.51
of how I was just
laying on the ground,
00:30:10.54\00:30:13.74
EMTs were God sent
00:30:13.78\00:30:15.34
because each one of
them did a magnificent job
00:30:15.38\00:30:19.35
in stabilizing me, making sure
00:30:19.38\00:30:21.45
that I didn't do
unnecessary moves.
00:30:21.48\00:30:24.35
And they took
me to the hospital,
00:30:24.39\00:30:26.39
they took x-rays
00:30:26.42\00:30:29.09
and they told me that not
only had I broken my wrist,
00:30:29.12\00:30:33.50
and required
surgery to repair it,
00:30:33.53\00:30:37.43
but I had fractured my C2 and...
00:30:37.47\00:30:41.07
Ooh, that doesn't look good.
00:30:41.10\00:30:42.44
And there you can
see in the picture
00:30:42.47\00:30:43.81
a very, very
clear break of my C2.
00:30:43.84\00:30:46.74
I was within millimeters
of entering my spinal cord
00:30:46.78\00:30:50.88
but because it
was a stable fracture,
00:30:50.91\00:30:54.12
which means that
the precise angle
00:30:54.15\00:30:56.82
of the break, okay,
00:30:56.85\00:30:58.42
did not caused
the fractured bone
00:30:58.45\00:31:01.52
to tear into my spinal cord,
00:31:01.56\00:31:03.19
which is the very most
common cause of paralysis
00:31:03.22\00:31:07.16
with that kind of injury.
00:31:07.20\00:31:08.56
Yeah.
00:31:08.60\00:31:09.93
I was among 3% of people
00:31:09.96\00:31:12.30
that actually
sustained this kind of injury
00:31:12.33\00:31:15.77
that walk away
without any paralysis.
00:31:15.80\00:31:18.54
Oh, glory to God. I'm among 3%.
00:31:18.57\00:31:20.78
And for the next several months,
00:31:23.78\00:31:29.38
just the thought of
what could have been,
00:31:29.42\00:31:32.99
and just the
sense of God's grace
00:31:33.02\00:31:36.76
would overwhelm me with emotion.
00:31:36.79\00:31:38.76
You know, when my
wife would come to me
00:31:38.79\00:31:41.70
and hold my
hand, just like this,
00:31:41.73\00:31:44.40
I would cry like a baby
because I could feel her,
00:31:44.43\00:31:48.00
you know, I was not paralyzed.
00:31:48.04\00:31:49.37
Absolutely.
00:31:49.40\00:31:50.74
When my boy and my girl
would kiss me on the cheek
00:31:50.77\00:31:52.11
'cause I had a neck brace
00:31:52.14\00:31:54.94
and a neck brace
that I wore for how long?
00:31:54.98\00:31:58.45
Eight weeks. About eight weeks.
00:31:58.48\00:32:01.55
And, but God gave me
the ability to just know
00:32:01.58\00:32:06.22
that I was safe
and secure in His arms.
00:32:06.25\00:32:09.89
And that gave
me a sense of peace
00:32:09.92\00:32:11.69
and comfort to know
that I was gonna be okay.
00:32:11.73\00:32:14.16
Amen.
00:32:14.20\00:32:15.66
But that was quite an
experience in our life
00:32:15.70\00:32:18.17
because it could have
been an absolute game changer.
00:32:18.20\00:32:21.20
I mean it would have
dramatically changed our lives.
00:32:21.24\00:32:24.87
Totally.
00:32:24.91\00:32:26.31
But since that day,
by the grace of God,
00:32:26.34\00:32:29.24
we had the opportunity
00:32:29.28\00:32:32.78
to go on overseas mission trips.
00:32:32.81\00:32:35.45
Now whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...
00:32:35.48\00:32:37.75
You didn't have to have surgery?
00:32:37.79\00:32:39.32
Oh, yeah.
00:32:39.35\00:32:40.69
I mean, the doctor
came to me and he said,
00:32:40.72\00:32:44.96
"After further review,
00:32:44.99\00:32:49.46
we are concluding that
00:32:49.50\00:32:51.07
because of the stable fracture,
00:32:51.10\00:32:53.94
the fracture of the bones
00:32:53.97\00:32:55.60
are actually in position to heal
00:32:55.64\00:32:59.74
with non
necessitating neck surgery
00:32:59.77\00:33:02.34
by stabilizing that your neck
00:33:02.38\00:33:06.15
with a neck brace 24/7.
00:33:06.18\00:33:07.92
You can't take it out,
00:33:07.95\00:33:09.28
you're gonna
have to let it heal.
00:33:09.32\00:33:12.49
You should be fine.
00:33:12.52\00:33:14.76
And by the God's grace I was.
00:33:14.79\00:33:17.73
And even today
00:33:17.76\00:33:19.29
I can honestly say
that there are no...
00:33:19.33\00:33:23.20
I don't have any...
00:33:23.23\00:33:24.57
Residual effects.
00:33:24.60\00:33:25.93
No, none, not at all.
00:33:25.97\00:33:27.40
I've ran a couple of
marathons since that injury.
00:33:27.44\00:33:29.90
Praise the
Lord. That is amazing.
00:33:29.94\00:33:32.74
So let me just
double check this.
00:33:32.77\00:33:35.94
What would your
advice be to the viewers
00:33:35.98\00:33:38.98
or those who are listening?
00:33:39.01\00:33:40.65
If they see a
tractor rolling down the hill
00:33:40.68\00:33:43.55
should they jump
on and try to stop it?
00:33:43.59\00:33:45.82
Let it go. Let it go.
00:33:45.85\00:33:50.06
It's, you know, it's a
popular phrase nowadays,
00:33:50.09\00:33:53.40
but I've taken that
to very personal now,
00:33:53.43\00:33:55.86
just let it go.
00:33:55.90\00:33:57.40
In fact, get this that tractor
00:33:57.43\00:34:01.20
did not have any
anything wrong with it.
00:34:01.24\00:34:04.04
It was pulled out of the ravine
and still runs till this day,
00:34:04.07\00:34:07.61
Not even a
dent. Not even a dent.
00:34:07.64\00:34:09.98
Is that not amazing?
00:34:10.01\00:34:12.18
How amazing that
it missed you too
00:34:12.21\00:34:14.35
an arm's length away.
00:34:14.38\00:34:15.85
So many, so many
things could have happened.
00:34:15.88\00:34:17.82
So, you know, you...
00:34:17.85\00:34:19.69
But you were manly
there for a few minutes.
00:34:19.72\00:34:21.72
That's right.
00:34:21.76\00:34:24.79
And then thankful
the rest of your life.
00:34:24.83\00:34:26.49
That's right. That's right.
00:34:26.53\00:34:28.76
When did you begin,
00:34:28.80\00:34:30.27
when we first
heard about Christian,
00:34:30.30\00:34:32.60
I heard we were
looking for some host
00:34:32.63\00:34:34.90
for our 3ABN Kids Camp.
00:34:34.94\00:34:37.81
And we knew we
wanted to do Bible Buzz
00:34:37.84\00:34:40.11
and I needed somebody energetic.
00:34:40.14\00:34:42.41
And someone said, "Do
you know Christian Martin?
00:34:42.44\00:34:47.18
He works with the ASI,
00:34:47.22\00:34:49.68
that's the
Adventist Laymen Services,
00:34:49.72\00:34:54.09
whatever it is, the
industries Industries.
00:34:54.12\00:34:56.59
And so that you
work with the youth there
00:34:56.62\00:34:59.76
and so I checked you
out and everybody's going,
00:34:59.79\00:35:02.93
"This is the man."
00:35:02.96\00:35:04.30
So tell us when
did you begin working
00:35:04.33\00:35:06.60
with the youth at ASI?
00:35:06.63\00:35:08.60
Yes.
00:35:08.64\00:35:09.97
I've been doing
the ASI Junior program,
00:35:10.01\00:35:13.07
doing division
program, now for how many years?
00:35:13.11\00:35:15.71
It's been four years.
00:35:15.74\00:35:17.08
It's been four
years, four years.
00:35:17.11\00:35:18.68
And it was a privilege
00:35:18.71\00:35:20.42
and an invitation
it was given to me.
00:35:20.45\00:35:22.58
But it spoke to my heart
00:35:22.62\00:35:26.69
because I've always had a love
00:35:26.72\00:35:29.16
for youth ministry.
00:35:29.19\00:35:30.69
I started
ministry as a youth pastor
00:35:30.73\00:35:33.26
at Battle Creek
Tabernacle, in fact.
00:35:33.29\00:35:35.36
And so youth ministry
has always been my joy.
00:35:35.40\00:35:37.97
I was a youth pastor
00:35:38.00\00:35:39.47
in Grants Pass
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:35:39.50\00:35:41.40
there in Southern Oregon,
00:35:41.44\00:35:42.77
so youth ministry has
always been a favorite,
00:35:42.80\00:35:45.37
one of my favorite things.
00:35:45.41\00:35:47.14
So being with
ASI has been a joy,
00:35:47.18\00:35:49.34
a privilege to be
able to interact with kids
00:35:49.38\00:35:52.35
from across the
country and around the world.
00:35:52.38\00:35:54.78
And we've had a great program.
00:35:54.82\00:35:58.85
And we're gonna
give you the opportunity
00:35:58.89\00:36:00.56
to stretch it because he's...
00:36:00.59\00:36:03.19
Christian Pastor Martin is
going to be doing a program
00:36:03.22\00:36:07.30
for us next year
that we hope to record
00:36:07.33\00:36:09.73
and this will be age group
we're targeting is 14 to 18.
00:36:09.76\00:36:14.04
It's gonna be high school.
00:36:14.07\00:36:16.30
You know, we tend to
develop a lot of good programs,
00:36:16.34\00:36:19.64
very good
programs for a younger age.
00:36:19.67\00:36:21.74
Yes.
00:36:21.78\00:36:23.11
But we're sensing the
need to address topics,
00:36:23.14\00:36:26.82
subjects that are very relevant
00:36:26.85\00:36:29.85
for the high school mentality,
00:36:29.88\00:36:32.85
high school age, you know,
00:36:32.89\00:36:34.59
and we're excited
about the potential for that.
00:36:34.62\00:36:37.49
Now tell us a little
of what you are doing
00:36:37.53\00:36:40.93
at the Living Hope Seventh-day
Adventist Community Church now.
00:36:40.96\00:36:44.53
You work
alongside with Mark Finley,
00:36:44.57\00:36:48.30
another well-known name,
00:36:48.34\00:36:49.67
well-known evangelist
00:36:49.70\00:36:51.04
in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:36:51.07\00:36:52.41
What are you doing there?
00:36:52.44\00:36:54.81
Are you a part of the
school, what's going on?
00:36:54.84\00:36:57.08
Okay.
00:36:57.11\00:36:58.45
The Living Hope Seventh-day
Adventist Community Church
00:36:58.48\00:37:01.18
is a very unique context
00:37:01.22\00:37:04.29
if only because it's
both a school of evangelism
00:37:04.32\00:37:09.36
and a local congregation.
00:37:09.39\00:37:12.26
And what...
00:37:12.29\00:37:15.33
It is the school of evangelism
is led by Elder Mark Finley
00:37:15.36\00:37:20.57
as well as Elder Chris Holland,
00:37:20.60\00:37:23.14
who serves there as
well as his associate
00:37:23.17\00:37:25.41
and together
they run this school.
00:37:25.44\00:37:28.24
The school is to
train not only pastors
00:37:28.28\00:37:32.58
and pastors do come
00:37:32.61\00:37:33.95
from various conferences
for one of the courses
00:37:33.98\00:37:36.52
that's held throughout the year,
00:37:36.55\00:37:39.22
but also lay
people come to be trained
00:37:39.25\00:37:41.22
on how to do evangelism,
00:37:41.26\00:37:42.86
how to develop an
evangelistic mindset
00:37:42.89\00:37:47.86
and culture in the
local congregation.
00:37:47.90\00:37:49.76
Very, very
wonderful courses and sessions
00:37:49.80\00:37:53.77
and, but we're
also a congregation.
00:37:53.80\00:37:56.40
And so I have the privilege
of being the lead pastor
00:37:56.44\00:37:59.17
of the Living Hope
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:37:59.21\00:38:02.21
But what that
means is that as a school
00:38:02.24\00:38:04.78
and as a church,
we partner together.
00:38:04.81\00:38:08.72
While the school teaches,
you know, the principles
00:38:08.75\00:38:12.25
and concepts of evangelism,
00:38:12.29\00:38:14.62
we as a church seek to
implement those principles
00:38:14.66\00:38:19.33
and put them to practice.
00:38:19.36\00:38:20.93
Wonderful.
00:38:20.96\00:38:22.30
And, of course, we have a
wonderful working partnership
00:38:22.33\00:38:26.53
as the school provides,
00:38:26.57\00:38:28.54
allowed the training not
only to our congregation,
00:38:28.57\00:38:32.47
but to churches, you
know, all over the place.
00:38:32.51\00:38:36.75
And so what we do is
00:38:36.78\00:38:39.81
we have embraced the concept
00:38:39.85\00:38:43.72
of having a cycle of evangelism.
00:38:43.75\00:38:45.92
Evangelism cycle
operating within the church.
00:38:45.95\00:38:49.32
Praise God.
00:38:49.36\00:38:50.69
Evangelism is
not just some event
00:38:50.73\00:38:52.06
that's gonna happen
this fall or next spring,
00:38:52.09\00:38:53.73
but it's a way of life,
00:38:53.76\00:38:56.56
which includes
preparing the soil,
00:38:56.60\00:38:59.80
you know, planting the seed,
00:38:59.83\00:39:02.10
cultivating,
harvesting, and preserving.
00:39:02.14\00:39:05.91
Amen.
00:39:05.94\00:39:07.28
It's a five cycles of evangelism
00:39:07.31\00:39:10.55
and it's exciting for me
as a pastor to be able to,
00:39:10.58\00:39:15.08
one of my joys in ministry
00:39:15.12\00:39:17.82
is to motivate congregations,
00:39:17.85\00:39:22.89
families, individuals
00:39:22.92\00:39:24.63
to see themselves
00:39:24.66\00:39:26.86
as evangelists, ministers
00:39:26.90\00:39:29.70
that have a
calling to finish the work
00:39:29.73\00:39:31.87
that God has given us to do.
00:39:31.90\00:39:33.67
And so that's exciting
00:39:33.70\00:39:36.14
and it's happening
in our local church.
00:39:36.17\00:39:37.51
Amen.
00:39:37.54\00:39:38.87
What we probably need to do
00:39:38.91\00:39:40.58
since we want to
get the kids out here,
00:39:40.61\00:39:42.41
why don't we go and
have a special music
00:39:42.44\00:39:44.25
by Tammy Chance.
00:39:44.28\00:39:45.61
Yes.
00:39:45.65\00:39:46.98
And it is
"Because Of Who You Are."
00:39:47.02\00:39:48.98
You know, we love Sister Tammy.
00:39:49.02\00:39:50.79
She has such a
beautiful voice. Amen.
00:39:50.82\00:39:52.82
You spoke the words
00:40:03.77\00:40:05.83
And all the
worlds Came into order
00:40:05.87\00:40:10.61
You raised Your hands
00:40:10.64\00:40:12.31
And planets
filled The empty skies
00:40:12.34\00:40:17.95
You placed the woman And the man
00:40:17.98\00:40:21.38
Inside the garden
00:40:21.42\00:40:24.52
And though they fell
00:40:24.55\00:40:26.76
They found
compassion In Your eyes
00:40:26.79\00:40:31.63
Oh, Lord I stand amazed
00:40:31.66\00:40:35.96
at the wonder of it all
00:40:36.00\00:40:39.33
Yet a greater wonder
brings me To my knees
00:40:39.37\00:40:45.77
Lord, I praise You
Because of who You are
00:40:45.81\00:40:52.61
Not for all the mighty deeds
00:40:52.65\00:40:55.85
That You have done
00:40:55.88\00:40:59.65
Lord, I worship You
00:40:59.69\00:41:02.96
Because of who You are
00:41:02.99\00:41:06.43
It's all the reason That
I need to voice my praise
00:41:06.46\00:41:12.20
Because of who You are
00:41:12.23\00:41:17.77
One holy night
00:41:20.81\00:41:22.44
You sent Your
promise From a virgin
00:41:22.48\00:41:27.45
And promise grew
00:41:27.48\00:41:29.12
till He
revealed to us Your heart
00:41:29.15\00:41:34.89
Enduring love displayed
Throughout Your Crucifixion
00:41:34.92\00:41:41.56
And through Your death You
tore the darken grave apart
00:41:41.60\00:41:48.54
Oh, Lord I stand amazed
00:41:48.57\00:41:52.91
At the wonder of it all
00:41:52.94\00:41:56.31
Yet a greater wonder
Brings me To my knees
00:41:56.34\00:42:02.62
Lord, I praise You
00:42:02.65\00:42:05.92
Because of who You are
00:42:05.95\00:42:09.42
Not for all the mighty
deeds That You have done
00:42:09.46\00:42:16.26
Lord, I worship you
00:42:16.30\00:42:19.57
Because of who You are
00:42:19.60\00:42:23.10
You're all the reason
That I need to voice my praise
00:42:23.14\00:42:29.98
Lord, I praise You
00:42:30.01\00:42:33.31
Because of who You are
00:42:33.35\00:42:36.85
Not for all the mighty deeds
00:42:36.89\00:42:40.19
That You have done
00:42:40.22\00:42:43.73
Lord, I worship You
00:42:43.76\00:42:47.10
Because of who You are
00:42:47.13\00:42:50.50
You're all the reason
That I need to voice my praise
00:42:50.53\00:42:56.54
Because of who You are
00:42:56.57\00:43:03.24
Because of who You are
00:43:03.28\00:43:07.42
Because of who You are
00:43:10.42\00:43:17.46
We absolutely love Tammy Chance.
00:43:30.37\00:43:32.51
Bless her heart.
She's got such a pure voice.
00:43:32.54\00:43:35.34
And a pure
heart. She is precious.
00:43:35.38\00:43:37.48
Well, we've gone from two PKs,
00:43:37.51\00:43:40.55
preacher's kids to
four PKs on the set with us
00:43:40.58\00:43:44.85
because we have
Moriah and Elijah Martin,
00:43:44.89\00:43:48.76
who have joined us.
00:43:48.79\00:43:50.19
Papa, why don't you
kind of introduce your babies
00:43:50.23\00:43:53.73
and tell us about them?
00:43:53.76\00:43:55.10
Absolutely.
00:43:55.13\00:43:56.46
Well, our firstborn
son, his name is Elijah.
00:43:56.50\00:43:59.17
Amen.
00:43:59.20\00:44:00.54
And he recently turned 12,
00:44:00.57\00:44:03.07
and his younger
sister Moriah is 9.
00:44:03.10\00:44:07.14
She's gonna soon be 10.
00:44:07.18\00:44:08.94
And so we have
our two young ones
00:44:08.98\00:44:12.01
and they are the greatest
joy in our life right now.
00:44:12.05\00:44:15.82
Praise God.
00:44:15.85\00:44:17.42
Praise God. We're glad.
00:44:17.45\00:44:18.85
Did you get to watch
the rest of the program
00:44:18.89\00:44:21.12
that mommy and daddy were on?
00:44:21.16\00:44:22.49
Yeah? Yeah.
00:44:22.52\00:44:23.86
Okay, so are you
nervous about being on TV?
00:44:23.89\00:44:26.73
No. Good.
00:44:26.76\00:44:28.10
I know you are not, Elijah,
00:44:28.13\00:44:29.73
'cause you are on
all the 3ABN Kids Camp.
00:44:29.76\00:44:33.67
So you practice what you preach.
00:44:33.70\00:44:36.77
I mean, when you're sitting
here talking about the family
00:44:36.81\00:44:38.94
that ministers
together, stays together.
00:44:38.97\00:44:41.48
You guys started very young,
00:44:41.51\00:44:44.05
taking the children
along on mission trips.
00:44:44.08\00:44:46.31
Tell us about it? Yes.
00:44:46.35\00:44:48.35
Well, in 2016 as one
of our best examples,
00:44:48.38\00:44:52.55
I was given the invitation,
the privilege to speak
00:44:52.59\00:44:56.79
at a youth
event in South Africa.
00:44:56.83\00:44:59.06
Oh, boy.
00:44:59.09\00:45:00.43
In Dundee, South Africa,
it's an annual youth event
00:45:00.46\00:45:04.73
that happens in
December is called Youth Fest
00:45:04.77\00:45:07.97
and is produced by the
Abundant Life Ministry.
00:45:08.00\00:45:11.94
And...
00:45:11.97\00:45:13.31
December there
is their hot time.
00:45:13.34\00:45:14.84
Oh, it's warm, it's beautiful.
00:45:14.88\00:45:19.21
And so I was invited
00:45:19.25\00:45:22.78
and, of course, I
got super excited about,
00:45:22.82\00:45:25.62
you know, going to
South Africa, you know?
00:45:25.65\00:45:27.42
And...
00:45:27.46\00:45:28.79
And then I heard
about it and I said,
00:45:28.82\00:45:30.16
"You are not going alone."
00:45:30.19\00:45:31.53
Amen. Amen.
00:45:31.56\00:45:32.89
And my first response was,
"I don't want to, let's do it.
00:45:32.93\00:45:37.33
Let's go as a family."
00:45:37.37\00:45:39.13
Yeah.
00:45:39.17\00:45:41.50
And then initially we thought,
00:45:41.54\00:45:43.41
well, could
Elijah and Moriah come
00:45:43.44\00:45:46.01
and the more we
thought about it,
00:45:46.04\00:45:47.38
the more we concluded
that they had to come.
00:45:47.41\00:45:50.51
We had to do this as a family.
00:45:50.55\00:45:52.68
Amen.
00:45:52.71\00:45:54.05
And so Elijah and Moriah
came with us to South Africa.
00:45:54.08\00:45:56.48
And, but it was not
00:45:56.52\00:45:58.39
their first mission trip though.
00:45:58.42\00:46:00.12
In fact, we went to Nicaragua
with the young adult Maranatha
00:46:00.16\00:46:04.56
Mission trip.
00:46:04.59\00:46:05.93
I was the
evangelism outreach coordinator
00:46:05.96\00:46:07.93
for this group.
00:46:07.96\00:46:09.30
And we took our
kids and they were ages.
00:46:09.33\00:46:12.37
You remember how old you were?
00:46:12.40\00:46:13.74
Two. Elijah?
00:46:13.77\00:46:15.10
Four. Wow!
00:46:15.14\00:46:16.47
Two and four.
00:46:16.50\00:46:17.84
Wow. And...
00:46:17.87\00:46:19.21
So I bet you can tell
us all about daddy sermons.
00:46:19.24\00:46:23.38
Elijah, what do you like?
00:46:23.41\00:46:24.88
I know you've been
back to South Africa
00:46:24.91\00:46:27.22
now a couple of times.
00:46:27.25\00:46:28.58
What do you like about
going on a mission trip?
00:46:28.62\00:46:32.72
I like visiting the people,
and like seeing how they live,
00:46:32.75\00:46:37.53
and meeting them
just through lifestyle.
00:46:37.56\00:46:42.46
And you like animals too?
00:46:42.50\00:46:43.90
Yeah, and I like
seeing the different animals.
00:46:43.93\00:46:46.63
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:46.67\00:46:48.34
Yeah. And how about you, Moriah?
00:46:48.37\00:46:51.57
We had the privilege
to meet other friends
00:46:51.61\00:46:55.31
and to see animals and, yeah.
00:46:55.34\00:46:57.58
Do you stay in
touch with any of the kids
00:46:57.61\00:47:00.08
that you meet?
00:47:00.12\00:47:01.45
Have you had an opportunity
to be a pen pal with anybody?
00:47:01.48\00:47:04.75
Not yet? Okay, yeah.
00:47:07.76\00:47:09.69
She hasn't done that.
00:47:09.72\00:47:11.06
But I will say that it
was really a big joy for them
00:47:11.09\00:47:13.66
to see their friends again
00:47:13.70\00:47:15.76
when we went back
this past December,
00:47:15.80\00:47:18.40
what did they do for you?
00:47:18.43\00:47:20.50
Do you remember?
00:47:20.54\00:47:22.30
They had a
birthday party for her.
00:47:22.34\00:47:23.67
Oh, how special.
00:47:23.71\00:47:25.04
The day we got there,
00:47:25.07\00:47:27.11
it was Moriah's birthday.
00:47:27.14\00:47:28.81
And they said,
"Don't tell Moriah,
00:47:28.84\00:47:30.21
don't tell Moriah."
00:47:30.25\00:47:31.58
And they had a
birthday party planned,
00:47:31.61\00:47:34.25
which was so special.
00:47:34.28\00:47:36.28
And so the
friendships continued.
00:47:36.32\00:47:39.09
Yes.
00:47:39.12\00:47:40.46
And the good news,
00:47:40.49\00:47:41.82
General Conference is
coming up this next year,
00:47:41.86\00:47:43.63
people from all around the world
00:47:43.66\00:47:44.99
is gonna be coming.
00:47:45.03\00:47:46.36
So maybe some of them will come
00:47:46.39\00:47:47.90
and you can see
each other there.
00:47:47.93\00:47:49.26
Yes, yes.
00:47:49.30\00:47:50.63
In fact, we saw some of them
00:47:50.67\00:47:52.00
at the Oshkosh
Pathfinder Camporee
00:47:52.03\00:47:53.97
this last August, we had a club,
00:47:54.00\00:47:57.74
a group from South Africa.
00:47:57.77\00:47:59.67
And some of our
friends were there
00:47:59.71\00:48:01.78
and we were able
to see each other.
00:48:01.81\00:48:04.85
We did go back to
South Africa in 2018.
00:48:04.88\00:48:08.05
And once again as a
family and so we truly believe
00:48:08.08\00:48:12.45
in doing ministry together.
00:48:12.49\00:48:15.39
That's the heart of the
matter, together, together.
00:48:15.42\00:48:19.19
The family that,
that serves together that,
00:48:19.23\00:48:24.20
you know, works
for the Lord together,
00:48:24.23\00:48:26.84
will stay together for eternity.
00:48:26.87\00:48:28.94
And you learn that
certainly growing up yourself.
00:48:28.97\00:48:31.77
Yeah.
00:48:31.81\00:48:33.14
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:48:33.17\00:48:35.68
You know 'cause I
know firsthand that wow,
00:48:35.71\00:48:38.81
what my parents did to me
00:48:38.85\00:48:41.38
has changed my
life for the better.
00:48:41.42\00:48:44.15
You know, I know
that by the grace of God,
00:48:44.19\00:48:47.56
I'm so thankful for my parents.
00:48:47.59\00:48:49.49
Amen.
00:48:49.52\00:48:50.86
And I saw what they did.
00:48:50.89\00:48:52.23
And that it was modeled for
you at home so that it wasn't...
00:48:52.26\00:48:54.00
And it was modeled for me.
00:48:54.03\00:48:55.40
It wasn't something
that there was no hypocrisy.
00:48:55.43\00:48:58.37
I have talked with pastor's kids
00:48:58.40\00:49:00.77
if they're not involved,
00:49:00.80\00:49:02.20
sometimes they can begin
to have a total disconnect.
00:49:02.24\00:49:05.11
And not just pastor's kids,
00:49:05.14\00:49:06.51
but people can have a disconnect
00:49:06.54\00:49:09.38
if God isn't part
of their daily life
00:49:09.41\00:49:13.45
and if they're not involved.
00:49:13.48\00:49:15.22
That's right. That's right.
00:49:15.25\00:49:16.72
So, Elijah and Moriah,
00:49:16.75\00:49:18.62
they are not a stranger
to the life of the church.
00:49:18.65\00:49:23.99
We involve them in
Pathfinders. Praise the Lord.
00:49:24.03\00:49:26.33
They're active
in Sabbath School.
00:49:26.36\00:49:28.80
Elijah and Moriah have sang
00:49:28.83\00:49:31.37
for special music
together at church.
00:49:31.40\00:49:34.17
They have done
scripture reading.
00:49:34.20\00:49:37.94
So we find so many
different ways for them
00:49:37.97\00:49:40.88
to be very hard, the very thick,
00:49:40.91\00:49:43.21
you know, ministry.
00:49:43.24\00:49:44.58
Yes.
00:49:44.61\00:49:45.95
Do we have a couple
pictures we could run through
00:49:45.98\00:49:47.32
real quick?
00:49:47.35\00:49:48.68
Yes, yes.
00:49:48.72\00:49:50.05
Our experience
there was so special.
00:49:50.09\00:49:51.42
Here we have the camp
00:49:51.45\00:49:53.76
where we
conducted our youth fest.
00:49:53.79\00:49:56.32
It's a Bush Camp.
00:49:56.36\00:49:57.89
And so it was a very
fun location to be at.
00:49:57.93\00:50:01.63
Beautiful setting.
00:50:01.66\00:50:03.20
Of course, being in
Africa, we went to safari,
00:50:03.23\00:50:07.64
we went, you know,
we went on a safari.
00:50:07.67\00:50:09.77
Yeah.
00:50:09.80\00:50:11.14
A photo with safari
and you should say yes.
00:50:11.17\00:50:13.17
And it was so exciting
to be able to see, you know,
00:50:13.21\00:50:16.38
the different
animals that Elijah
00:50:16.41\00:50:17.75
and Moriah both enjoy so much.
00:50:17.78\00:50:19.61
Yeah. Oh, boy!
00:50:19.65\00:50:20.98
We went to the lions, lion camp.
00:50:21.02\00:50:23.82
And we had...
00:50:23.85\00:50:25.55
Is there no..
There's no barrier there?
00:50:25.59\00:50:27.19
No, that's just us.
00:50:27.22\00:50:28.56
We were able to be right there,
00:50:28.59\00:50:30.49
cuddle with them,
wrestle with them and...
00:50:30.53\00:50:32.26
Wow.
00:50:32.29\00:50:33.63
And pose for a
picture. Look at that.
00:50:33.66\00:50:35.00
Wow. Praise Him.
00:50:35.03\00:50:36.70
It reminds me of Revelation
00:50:36.73\00:50:38.70
and the lion and the
lamb are going to be together.
00:50:38.73\00:50:40.47
Yes, yes.
00:50:40.50\00:50:41.84
Well, that's just wonderful.
00:50:41.87\00:50:43.97
We are going to...
00:50:44.01\00:50:45.91
We've enjoyed this so
much just hearing how.
00:50:45.94\00:50:49.88
And, you know, we all
fell in love with Elijah
00:50:49.91\00:50:52.81
at the 3ABN
Kids Camp and Moriah,
00:50:52.85\00:50:55.25
I hope that when we do
our next 3ABN Kids Camp,
00:50:55.28\00:50:59.19
you can come as well
because we miss having you.
00:50:59.22\00:51:03.76
But it's wonderful
00:51:03.79\00:51:05.96
to see how involving God
00:51:05.99\00:51:09.53
in your
children's lives, you know,
00:51:09.56\00:51:11.87
train up a child in
the way they should go.
00:51:11.90\00:51:13.84
You are both trained up,
00:51:13.87\00:51:15.74
not just to know about Jesus,
00:51:15.77\00:51:19.47
but to know Him
and to serve Him.
00:51:19.51\00:51:21.88
And the service makes
00:51:21.91\00:51:23.24
all the difference in the world.
00:51:23.28\00:51:24.61
Amen.
00:51:24.65\00:51:25.98
We've got to take a quick
break to go to a news break,
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but we're gonna come
back in just a minute,
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and we'll have a closing thought
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from the Martin family.
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