I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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If you're part of our family,
you probably already know that,
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but if you're just joining us,
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I'd like to encourage you
to stay tuned to this program.
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We have a very
exciting guest today.
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I have a comradery
with him to some degree
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because he's from Trinidad.
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And if you're from Trinidad,
you must watch the program.
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We're not giving out
buss up shut to roti,
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but there's gonna be
something even better than that
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and that you need to
really stay tuned for.
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Very exciting life,
evangelism, traveling,
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souls being brought to the
Lord through this man's life.
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And before I go to the music,
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let me just take a brief
moment to introduce President,
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CEO of Train Them
2 Fish, George Lee.
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Good to have you
here. Good to be here.
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Yes, how the weather?
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The weather's good, man. Okay.
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It's a little
Trinidad vernacular.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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So good to have you
here today on our program.
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Now we're gonna talk about
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what the Lord has
been doing in your life,
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in a beautiful way.
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I'm excited about what we've...
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What we see is gonna
be coming to this program
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and I wanna encourage
our viewers and listeners
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to stay tuned for
a very informative
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and exciting
transformative program
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about missions and conversion,
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but before we do that we
have some very good music.
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Our good friend Jaime Jorge is
gonna be getting the stage set
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as he plays
"Standing on the promises."
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Thank you,
Jaime, always inspiring.
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Standing on the promises,
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and that is what
our guest has done.
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And he continues to do.
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President and CEO
of Train Them 2 Fish.
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Brother George Lee,
good to have you here again.
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Good to be here.
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And as I mentioned at
the beginning of the program,
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we have an affinity, Trinidad.
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Yes.
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You know the lady that raised me
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was from Port of
Spain and you are from?
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From San Juan and
Antilles, Martinique.
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Okay, yes.
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And all the West
Indians are saying yes.
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You know how
that is, you see. Yes.
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West Indian thing is,
it's about such a pride.
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Yeah, the comradery. Identity.
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Comradery. Good to
have you here today.
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It's good to be here.
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Talk about your
conversion briefly
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because you're part
of an amazing ministry.
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You've traveled and
you've seen lives transformed
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and the Lord has
opened many doors for you,
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but let's just take us back
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to your conversion and
entering into evangelism.
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When I was younger in Trinidad,
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I wanted to become a priest.
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A priest? Yeah.
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Like a Catholic priest?
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I was a strong Catholic,
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my family is,
they are Catholics.
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I am the only one that
is Seventh-day Adventist.
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And when I was younger,
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my desire was to become a priest
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and even as I got
old and I got married,
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my children, they were
altar boys in the Bronx.
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And I was happy
because now I'm married,
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I can't be a priest anymore.
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Okay. So...
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I said no,
they're serving the Lord
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and everything like that,
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but my wife who was a
former Seventh-day Adventist.
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We got married
in a Catholic Church
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and she used to go to
the church with the...
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We used to go to
the church every Sunday,
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and the boys used
to be on the altar.
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And she said to me,
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she don't like the way
the priest is preaching.
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It's not dynamic, so
it wasn't reaching her.
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So she started to go
back to the Adventist Church.
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And I took her there
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and she came
back crying one day.
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I knew she was
gonna get to me for this.
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Okay.
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And she decided
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she was gonna go
back to the church
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and I said to her, you know,
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the children
were born Catholics.
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They grew up in
the Catholic Church
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and then, you know,
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why are you taking them
to the Adventist Church.
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And she decided
to take them anyway
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and they came
back and I realized,
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they were learning the Bible.
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They were learning Bible text.
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They were going
to a Catholic school.
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And one of the nun
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was saying
something about the Bible,
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my son said, that
is not in the Bible.
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And he came and
he told me about it.
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The next week she
said something again,
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and he told her
that is not in the Bible.
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So she called me,
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I was working
for Bank of America
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at the time, my office.
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I also worked for Bank
of America in New York.
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Yeah. Okay.
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And she said,
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"Where is your son
getting these teachings?"
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I said, "From the Bible,
he's getting Bible studies."
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And she asked me, "Where?"
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And I said, "From the
Seventh-day Adventist Church."
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So she said,
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"Are they the defender
of the Adventist faith?"
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I said, "No, they're
getting from the Bible."
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Right.
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You know, the third
time something happened
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and the nun
slapped him in his face.
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And my wife had
just got baptized.
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And she was gonna go down there
and took it out with the...
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To square away.
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She said, oh,
dear, she hit my son,
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you know, and
every alerts afterwards
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what was happening that
the children being converted.
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And I was still
a strong Catholic,
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and I decided after I saw that.
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One day, one Sabbath
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I went to pick up
my wife at the church.
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And my daughter who
was about eight years old
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and she after her Bible studies,
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she told Sister Naznine,
"I want to get baptized."
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And she said, "You cannot,
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your father is a strong Catholic
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and he has to approve."
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And after I saw
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where the Lord was
taking the children,
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the Holy Spirit
was working, I said,
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"I had to make a change myself."
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So I decided to get baptized,
and we both got baptized.
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The same time my daughter and I,
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and as I was
coming out of the water.
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In the pool, I heard a
voice from heaven said,
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"This is where
I want you to be."
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Wow.
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And from that time on,
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you know, my
desire was to do ministry,
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to do pastoral evangelism.
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Wow.
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And the Lord has
brought me to that.
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Praise God. What
an effective story?
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You know, the way the
Lord works is amazing.
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It is amazing.
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And I want to reiterate,
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it's not against
any particular person...
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No.
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But when the Lord's word
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begins to be
unfolded, you can't ignore it.
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No.
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That's the beautiful
thing about the Word of God.
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I had to make that
decision and my family thought,
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you know, I was crazy to
leave the Catholic Church.
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And I said, "No, the
truth has been spoken.
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I cannot deny what
the Bible teaches."
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That's right.
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You know, so I had to tell...
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I said to myself, "Lord,
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this is something
You've put into me."
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That's right. You
know, I cannot deny it.
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So when I made that decision
and got baptized, you know.
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At first I had
problems with the family
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and then the Lord
worked things out afterwards,
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you know, so...
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So from there on,
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I went to Oakwood
theology and everything
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and while I was there, I
got involved in mission work.
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Okay.
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Mission work, and I,
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the first time I
went into Guyana,
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and we were deep
into the Rupununi area.
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I went with NAPS, Dr. Paul.
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Yes, NAPS. And we were there.
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And that really showed me
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what the Lord can do and
how He can use me to do it.
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And NAPS is the
National Association
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for those
Prevention of Starvation,
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just for those who may
not know what that means.
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Yes, yes. Yeah.
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And that was, that was one
of the most important thing
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that happened in my life.
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And then I was
working with Dr. Baker.
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And he had gone to India.
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And I had a friend
named Guru, Gurunatham.
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He taught, and
he was from India.
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And I went to him and I heard
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Dr. Baker said to me,
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"You know, I
cannot go to India."
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He wants me to
go with him, Guru.
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I went to Guru
and said, you know,
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"I can go to India with you."
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So he said, "Okay."
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I got the money.
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Everything ready.
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I went to his office, I said,
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"Okay, I got
everything ready. Let's go."
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He said, "I cannot go.
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My wife and I got
transferred to Loma Linda."
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To Loma Linda? Loma Linda.
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Wow.
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And I said, "But I
don't know the language.
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I don't know where I'm going.
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How can I go to India
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and I don't know, I
can't speak the language."
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So he said, "Don't worry.
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I will show you what to do."
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So he showed me a
map of the airport.
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We had to go out there,
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couldn't speak the language,
People were getting in a bus.
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I was in Mumbai, from Mumbai
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I had to take a bus that
goes to a domestic airport.
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So I can fly from
Mumbai to Hyderabad.
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Okay, I've been to Hyderabad.
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So I'm there and everyone
is just pushing to get their
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luggage into this
bus to go to the airport.
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And I'm there standing
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and I'm, then I
had a dollar in my hand
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and I knew at that time,
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that one US was worth 50 rupees
and that's a lot of money.
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So I took the dollar and I
showed it and the guy took it
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and he took my suitcase
and made sure he stuck it
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in the back of the bus so,
and then went into the bus.
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And now I'm into Hyderabad.
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I met the person and he took me,
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five hours we had to take a...
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Bajaj, those
three... Yes, three wheels.
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Yes, three wheeled
vehicles, and we went...
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For five hours? No, it
took me to the bus stop.
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Okay.
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And then we took this bus,
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it took five
hours to go down to...
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Okay, I got you.
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Go down to a
place called Khamam.
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And from there, I stayed there
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and that's when I did my
first evangelistic meeting.
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Everything there, I
saw the need of the people.
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I was in the hotel and left.
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I moved from the hotel,
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and I went into
his parent's home,
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called Ammapalem,
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and we were there and
I preached from there.
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And it was amazing,
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because I saw how the people
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were really
interested into the gospel.
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So many things happened
there on that first visit.
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I went there, and I never
took any medication with me.
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That's unusual for
anyone... It was. I was.
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Because, you know, in India you
could get sick, just like that.
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I was so excited to go
and do the work over there.
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That when I went there, no
medication, nothing at all.
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I ate all over the place.
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Unbelievable.
And nothing happened.
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You didn't get
sick? I did not get sick.
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I got sick in India.
So I know what you mean.
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And you know
growing up in Trinidad,
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you eat all these
different types of food.
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Right.
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Pepper was one of
the things that I loved.
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So in India, I got no problems.
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Right. Because it's very spicy.
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Very spicy and...
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Pepper is a natural antibiotic,
I think, it heals anything.
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So I was there
and the Lord blessed
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because we were in one village.
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And from there we had to
walk, go and do the work,
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but the Lord blessed,
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and after preaching for 10 days,
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the Lord blessed
with 150 baptisms.
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Praise God.
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And that was in
India? That was in India.
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What about in Zimbabwe?
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Years afterwards, I
went to, after India,
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I was in India for six years.
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And from there, I left
and I went to Zimbabwe,
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but first I was in... Rwanda.
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Wow, tough area. Yeah.
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I was in Rwanda, from
Rwanda the Lord blessed me,
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had a group that,
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the Lord blessed and
2200 people were baptized
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for the group.
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And with Share Him, we
went there with Share Him.
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And then the next
year, we went to Zimbabwe.
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And in Zimbabwe,
where the Lord blessed,
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was almost close about 600
to 800 people got baptized.
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And the group there had
a concern about the Congo
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because at that time, the Congo,
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so many things were
happening in the Congo.
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It was so volatile
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that the United
States government,
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the French
government, the Canadian,
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the British government
said on their website,
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if you go to the
Congo and these places,
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you're going on your own,
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and we can't get you out
if anything happened to you.
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So in, in
Zimbabwe, Marion Roberts,
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who was talking and
she was there with us,
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and said she has a
concern about the Congo,
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nobody has been
down to Congo yet.
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Then we said, okay,
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let's see what's
happening in the Congo.
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So, Pastor David Tobias,
who was the head of the group,
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with the Share Him group,
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said, okay, he's
going to do some work.
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He did the footwork.
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He went into the Congo,
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he spoke with
the president there
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in Lubumbashi
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and found out he would
be happy for us to come.
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So he sent a
letter out to us saying
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that place is still problematic,
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and if you want to go
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realize that
you're going on your own.
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Well, in fact, you're
really not on your own,
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the blessing of the Lord,
now you had secret service.
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Of course, yes, yes.
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You know, we knew
the Lord was in charge
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with this program.
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So we decided, yes, we wanna go.
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So we ended up in Lubumbashi.
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And in Lubumbashi,
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we did
evangelistic meeting there.
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I was in a church
called the Triana Church,
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which was the
largest church in that area,
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like a Cathedral type and the...
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One of the elders of
the church came to me,
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we were staying in
the Union compound.
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And he came to me
and he said, "Pastor Lee,
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this is the first time
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an evangelistic meeting
has been held since 1927."
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That's a long time.
That was a long time.
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And they were so
happy we were there
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that the Lord came.
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And this is in the Congo?
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Yes, in the Congo. Yeah. Okay.
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You were able to also establish
your headquarters there?
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Yeah.
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Well, while we
were in Lubumbashi,
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we got a phone
call from Bukavu, right,
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saying that they
want us to come to Bukavu
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to do an evangelistic meeting.
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So we set it up.
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And we had three
groups when we did that.
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One group when I was in
Goma, I headed a group in Goma.
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There was
another group in Bukavu,
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and there was
another group in Kisangani.
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Okay, yeah, I've
heard of that place.
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Yeah, Kisangani.
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And Kisangani, you
have to fly into that area.
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There's over a
million people there.
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Wow. Yeah.
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And no kind of
land transportation.
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Maybe there is
something now but at that time,
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it was very hard to
get in there by vehicle.
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And that's where the genesis
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for Train Them 2
Fish was started.
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Talk about that? Yeah.
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The genesis started in
Bukavu when we were there.
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And we did,
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part of the
mission trip we were doing,
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evangelism and medical work,
the right arm of the gospel.
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And while we were there
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doing so much of
the medical work,
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we saw people needing the Lord,
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people needing medical work.
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And the church in,
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the Adventist Church wasn't
that popular in that area.
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It's only about 2%.
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Wow, very low.
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And we decided that no,
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we need to have
an organization here.
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So we passed on Gusser
and the rest of the group,
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we had the first
board meeting in Bukavu,
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and that is where
Train Them 2 Fish started.
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Okay.
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And we came to United States,
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we got all the
legal papers going,
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you know and...
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Get the 501c3.
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501c3, we made sure
everything was done right.
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And from there,
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we started doing the work,
started getting the funding.
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We got the
funding for the pastors,
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then we started
training those in the Congo
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who wanted to do the work
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so I had to give
them Bible studies.
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We didn't have a
school at that time,
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but then we raised money
and we bought a piece of land
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and we built the compound.
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Okay, which is
where the headquarters is?
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Where the headquarters is.
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Describe this picture
here about the headquarters?
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Yes, this is the
headquarters we built.
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And the first where
the trees and the sign is,
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that is where the
training center is.
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Okay.
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And we train
them for three months,
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and after the three
months we send them out.
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And they go and
preach in different areas
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wherever they came from.
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Then we also needed to...
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And this is all on the
Congo? All in the Congo, yeah.
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And they started
going to different areas.
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We started
needing funding for them
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because they have to
take care of themselves,
00:21:04.46\00:21:06.80
so we raise money and
they were given a stipend,
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$95 a month.
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Wow.
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And they go out
to different places
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and they started working,
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the Lord started doing
things, people getting baptized.
00:21:18.91\00:21:22.08
We had to, in Bukavu,
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we had to rent churches
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because for
churches on the Sabbath
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because we had so
many people coming in
00:21:30.82\00:21:33.49
that we had to do that,
00:21:33.56\00:21:35.19
and then when we
got the piece of land,
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you know, and we
started building.
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The Lord just started helping us
00:21:40.93\00:21:43.97
because we
started using the land
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for agriculture
also to fundraising.
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But you also had
some expansion coming in
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because you not only
established the headquarters
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but you also started putting
new dormitories in there.
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Yes, yes.
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We have now,
00:21:55.94\00:21:57.28
we raised money and
we started this dormitory
00:21:57.35\00:21:58.68
that was built,
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and that's a boy's
dormitory for the men.
00:22:00.32\00:22:04.29
We're working on
the women's dormitory
00:22:04.32\00:22:06.29
the next thing.
00:22:06.32\00:22:07.66
So you have this
dormitory there now?
00:22:07.69\00:22:09.02
And now and
they're coming there,
00:22:09.06\00:22:11.96
and they stay then they
move to the other building
00:22:11.99\00:22:13.90
where they're being
taught for three months
00:22:13.93\00:22:16.13
and then they are sent out
to do the work of evangelism.
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Wow. And the Lord
has been blessing.
00:22:19.83\00:22:22.47
What's the capacity
of the dormitory about?
00:22:22.50\00:22:24.41
The dormitory can hold about...
00:22:24.44\00:22:26.98
Well, the first class
was about 50 students,
00:22:27.01\00:22:29.68
so we have beds with
bunks different area so they...
00:22:29.71\00:22:33.08
It can hold about 50 people.
00:22:33.11\00:22:37.09
Okay.
00:22:37.12\00:22:38.45
So then getting another
one too for women's dormitory.
00:22:38.49\00:22:40.39
For women's dormitory.
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It's still on the...
It's still on the work.
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Okay, good, that's
an issue of fundraising.
00:22:43.19\00:22:45.16
Fundraising also.
00:22:45.19\00:22:46.53
We need money for that also,
00:22:46.56\00:22:47.90
and then we want
to build a clinic
00:22:47.93\00:22:49.46
because the
work that we're doing
00:22:49.50\00:22:51.77
with the clinic
is very important.
00:22:51.80\00:22:54.17
Because the people
that comes to the clinic,
00:22:54.24\00:22:57.21
they get to hear about Jesus.
00:22:57.24\00:22:59.07
Right.
00:22:59.11\00:23:00.48
They get to know
about the gospel.
00:23:00.51\00:23:01.84
But they have medical needs?
00:23:01.88\00:23:03.21
And they have
medical needs also.
00:23:03.24\00:23:04.58
So they give
their lives to the Lord
00:23:04.61\00:23:05.95
when we do that,
00:23:05.98\00:23:07.32
and the Lord has
really been blessing.
00:23:07.35\00:23:10.09
And sometimes when I go there,
I help with the medical work,
00:23:10.12\00:23:15.42
I help with the dental work,
00:23:15.46\00:23:16.83
I assist the doctor
with the dental work,
00:23:16.86\00:23:20.50
holding the flashlight
and all the other things.
00:23:20.53\00:23:22.06
Okay, so you're
getting involved.
00:23:22.10\00:23:23.47
I'm getting involved.
00:23:23.50\00:23:24.83
Function of
respect but hands on.
00:23:24.87\00:23:26.20
Yes, hands on, yes.
00:23:26.23\00:23:27.57
So you know,
00:23:27.60\00:23:28.94
you see all these things
are happening and you know,
00:23:28.97\00:23:31.21
Lord, these people
don't have any money.
00:23:31.24\00:23:34.84
They live on
about a dollar a day.
00:23:34.88\00:23:39.68
There is no medical,
00:23:39.71\00:23:41.55
essential medical
health system in the country.
00:23:41.58\00:23:45.32
When you're rich, you
can take care of yourself.
00:23:45.35\00:23:47.76
If you're poor,
00:23:47.79\00:23:49.16
you buy the
medicine on the street
00:23:49.19\00:23:51.29
whatever is available
00:23:51.33\00:23:53.26
because you cannot
afford to go to the doctor.
00:23:53.29\00:23:56.16
And the quality of the medicine
could be, maybe not good.
00:23:56.20\00:23:58.13
Yes, we don't know
where it's coming from.
00:23:58.17\00:23:59.50
That's right.
00:23:59.53\00:24:00.87
So there was one time,
00:24:00.94\00:24:02.27
I was there in
Bukavu and this...
00:24:02.30\00:24:05.17
When we were
doing the medical work,
00:24:05.21\00:24:07.18
this woman brought in
her son, her daughter.
00:24:07.21\00:24:11.45
Her head had scales,
00:24:11.48\00:24:12.81
all kinds of things on her head,
00:24:12.85\00:24:14.22
she had no hair,
00:24:14.25\00:24:15.85
and I had to
take up with my driver
00:24:15.88\00:24:19.25
to the hospital to
pay for her treatment,
00:24:19.29\00:24:24.36
for her consultation
and for the medicine $7.
00:24:24.39\00:24:28.30
Wow, that's it?
00:24:28.33\00:24:29.73
Seven dollars to
take care of her needs.
00:24:29.76\00:24:32.20
It is something I used to see
00:24:32.23\00:24:34.04
that these people
don't have the wherewithal.
00:24:34.07\00:24:36.74
The basic things.
00:24:36.81\00:24:38.14
The basic things to
take care of themselves.
00:24:38.17\00:24:39.51
Let's talk about
some of the graduates too
00:24:39.54\00:24:40.88
because you talk about training,
00:24:40.91\00:24:43.45
the dormitories
those who were staying
00:24:43.48\00:24:44.88
at the compound,
00:24:44.91\00:24:46.25
and then they
also have graduates,
00:24:46.28\00:24:47.78
people preparing
to go on the field.
00:24:47.82\00:24:49.32
Here's a picture of
some of the graduates.
00:24:49.35\00:24:50.92
After we train them, of
course, they get a certificate
00:24:50.99\00:24:55.36
stating that
they've done the work
00:24:55.39\00:24:58.09
and then we send
them out to do the work,
00:24:58.13\00:25:00.50
to go and preach
in different areas.
00:25:00.53\00:25:02.16
We get the funding
00:25:02.20\00:25:03.97
and we give them
the stipend every month.
00:25:04.00\00:25:06.94
So that has to come
in on the monthly basis
00:25:06.97\00:25:10.01
to keep them going.
00:25:10.04\00:25:11.37
Keep them going. Yeah.
00:25:11.41\00:25:12.74
But the gospel
commission has come and go.
00:25:12.77\00:25:15.41
That's right.
00:25:15.44\00:25:16.78
And these people
are from the Congo?
00:25:16.85\00:25:18.18
From the Congo.
00:25:18.21\00:25:19.55
So they understand the language,
00:25:19.58\00:25:20.92
they understand the dialect,
00:25:20.95\00:25:22.28
they understand the
people the way they function.
00:25:22.32\00:25:23.65
So they're able to communicate
better than you and I,
00:25:23.69\00:25:25.45
how to reach this people
00:25:25.49\00:25:26.86
at the level of
their own understanding.
00:25:26.89\00:25:28.22
That's right.
That's a beautiful thing.
00:25:28.26\00:25:29.59
And they give their lives
to the Lord, they get baptized,
00:25:29.62\00:25:33.60
you know and while that...
00:25:33.63\00:25:35.93
When we have like a group
sometimes, there are even,
00:25:35.96\00:25:39.57
we don't have churches anyway.
00:25:39.60\00:25:41.84
So sometimes, the
church is kept under a tree.
00:25:41.87\00:25:45.84
And also, we have
to find the funding,
00:25:45.87\00:25:50.15
to build the churches.
00:25:50.18\00:25:51.51
You might want to
connect with Maranatha,
00:25:51.55\00:25:52.88
they do some
amazing things right there.
00:25:52.91\00:25:54.25
I did.
00:25:54.32\00:25:55.65
I spoke with the president
00:25:55.68\00:25:57.02
and I asked him because
00:25:57.05\00:25:58.39
one of the persons
at the Oakwood Church
00:25:58.42\00:26:00.59
was donating 1500
to build the church.
00:26:00.66\00:26:04.26
And I spoke with the
president, and I said to him,
00:26:04.33\00:26:07.20
"We need some
churches in the Congo."
00:26:07.23\00:26:10.07
When he said,
00:26:10.10\00:26:11.43
"You cannot ship one church,
00:26:11.47\00:26:13.34
it has to be multiple churches."
00:26:13.37\00:26:14.70
Multiple churches, that's right.
00:26:14.74\00:26:16.07
So that's what
we're looking for.
00:26:16.10\00:26:17.44
We're looking for
someone to donate many churches
00:26:17.51\00:26:21.04
so we can start building
these churches in this year.
00:26:21.08\00:26:23.24
And the amazing
thing about it is
00:26:23.28\00:26:24.95
the people are coming in,
00:26:24.98\00:26:26.31
they just need a
place to worship.
00:26:26.35\00:26:27.68
Yes, yes.
00:26:27.72\00:26:29.05
We were in places of Africa
00:26:29.08\00:26:30.42
where people did
literally worship under a tree,
00:26:30.49\00:26:31.85
and that tree was the sanctuary,
00:26:31.89\00:26:33.29
and it's amazing what
we have here in America
00:26:33.36\00:26:35.19
and these developed countries,
00:26:35.22\00:26:36.93
and the reason is
people don't go to church,
00:26:36.96\00:26:38.89
but you go to these countries
that they don't have a church,
00:26:38.93\00:26:41.36
people are there.
00:26:41.40\00:26:42.73
It doesn't matter
whether it's raining or don't.
00:26:42.76\00:26:44.10
It is a big event
for them. That's right.
00:26:44.17\00:26:45.90
And when you come to
church, they are happy.
00:26:45.93\00:26:47.74
That's right.
00:26:47.77\00:26:49.10
They're singing,
they praise the Lord.
00:26:49.14\00:26:50.51
In Maranatha,
we have volunteered
00:26:50.54\00:26:52.41
to go and build the church.
00:26:52.44\00:26:53.78
That's right.
00:26:53.81\00:26:55.14
In the Congo, they
built the church themselves.
00:26:55.18\00:26:56.51
Look at that.
00:26:56.54\00:26:57.88
That's right because
the people offer the church.
00:26:57.91\00:26:59.38
Talk about the Bibles
00:26:59.41\00:27:00.75
'cause that's a very
important need to evangelism.
00:27:00.82\00:27:03.39
We have a lot of
donations that are coming in
00:27:03.42\00:27:05.39
and there was a truck
00:27:05.42\00:27:07.36
that we sent a
lot of Bibles for.
00:27:07.39\00:27:09.89
Wow.
00:27:09.92\00:27:11.26
And we have used those Bibles
00:27:11.29\00:27:12.63
to those who
were getting baptized.
00:27:12.66\00:27:14.30
These are in the
language of the people?
00:27:14.33\00:27:15.66
Yes, it's in French
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.70
because French
is the language...
00:27:17.73\00:27:19.60
Predominant. Yeah.
00:27:19.63\00:27:20.97
Engle is one of the
language on the west side,
00:27:21.00\00:27:24.31
Swahili is the
language on the east side,
00:27:24.34\00:27:26.51
but there are about
129 different dialects.
00:27:26.54\00:27:29.38
So I wanna pause again.
00:27:29.41\00:27:30.75
Talk about the
facts that you're talking
00:27:30.78\00:27:32.41
about dormitory
of the needs there,
00:27:32.45\00:27:36.08
the need to send
more evangelists out,
00:27:36.12\00:27:38.85
male and female,
00:27:38.89\00:27:40.26
and then the Bibles
to communicate the gospel
00:27:40.29\00:27:41.62
in the language of the people?
00:27:41.66\00:27:43.43
So these are things that
do need continuous funding.
00:27:43.46\00:27:45.59
Yes, they do.
00:27:45.63\00:27:47.00
I'm gonna talk about
that a little later on
00:27:47.03\00:27:48.36
in the program.
00:27:48.40\00:27:49.73
But evangelism is
often an outdoor thing.
00:27:49.76\00:27:51.57
Yeah. Let's talk about?
00:27:51.60\00:27:53.23
Well, depending on the
air because we have volunteers
00:27:53.27\00:27:57.71
who come to do the
evangelistic work with us.
00:27:57.74\00:28:00.38
So what Pastor Ongasa will
do is go to the different areas
00:28:00.41\00:28:04.75
and find out
where the needs are.
00:28:04.78\00:28:07.62
And sometimes, it
will be done in the church,
00:28:07.65\00:28:10.59
it be done in the open area.
00:28:10.62\00:28:12.39
This is outdoor evangelism.
This is outdoor evangelism.
00:28:12.42\00:28:14.72
Wow. Right.
00:28:14.76\00:28:16.09
And, so all these...
00:28:16.12\00:28:17.46
Under the canopy of heaven.
00:28:17.53\00:28:18.86
Under the canopy of heaven
where the angels are watching.
00:28:18.89\00:28:21.06
That's right. Wow,
what an amazing thing.
00:28:21.10\00:28:22.83
And the people are
giving their lives to the Lord,
00:28:22.86\00:28:25.53
so a lot of things
are happening there
00:28:25.57\00:28:27.67
and we are excited about it
00:28:27.70\00:28:30.41
because so far we have started
close to about 70 churches.
00:28:30.44\00:28:34.98
Not 70 yet but about
68, 69 churches so far.
00:28:35.01\00:28:37.68
Okay.
00:28:37.71\00:28:39.05
You know the amazing thing about
00:28:39.08\00:28:40.42
what you just talked
about is evangelism happens not,
00:28:40.45\00:28:44.62
and I wanna make this point,
00:28:44.65\00:28:45.99
not because of what we
have as far as physical plant,
00:28:46.02\00:28:49.79
but the desire in
the heart of the people.
00:28:49.82\00:28:52.29
It's amazing when we
go around the country,
00:28:52.33\00:28:54.36
actually around the world,
00:28:54.40\00:28:56.03
people are willing not
to sit on a comfortable pew,
00:28:56.06\00:28:58.87
but they're willing
to sit on the ground,
00:28:58.90\00:29:00.64
or they'll stand if they need to
00:29:00.67\00:29:02.70
just to hear the Word of God.
00:29:02.74\00:29:04.47
That's what
continually drives you
00:29:04.51\00:29:06.88
to continue to be
involved in evangelism.
00:29:06.91\00:29:08.24
It does, because I see
the interest in the people,
00:29:08.28\00:29:11.08
I see the desire to
know about the gospel,
00:29:11.11\00:29:14.12
and as we go to
different places,
00:29:14.15\00:29:16.25
you know, we see opposition.
00:29:16.28\00:29:18.69
One time,
00:29:18.72\00:29:20.06
there was a bunch of
witches got together.
00:29:20.09\00:29:24.76
And they decided,
00:29:24.79\00:29:26.13
they're gonna cast a
spell on one of the preachers.
00:29:26.16\00:29:29.13
So they drew straws,
and one woman was selected.
00:29:29.16\00:29:33.54
She walked 15 miles
to come to the meeting.
00:29:33.57\00:29:37.21
And when the meeting
started, she sat at the back.
00:29:37.24\00:29:40.38
And when the meeting
started, she fell asleep.
00:29:40.41\00:29:43.75
When the meeting finished,
00:29:43.78\00:29:45.35
she woke up and she
walked 15 miles home.
00:29:45.38\00:29:49.52
The next night she came
back, she walked 15 miles again,
00:29:49.55\00:29:53.02
sat at the back and
when the meeting started,
00:29:53.05\00:29:55.19
she fell asleep again.
00:29:55.22\00:29:57.06
So she had to
walk on 15 miles again.
00:29:57.13\00:30:01.40
The next night she
came with an effigy and...
00:30:01.43\00:30:04.73
With the what?
00:30:04.77\00:30:06.74
Image of...
00:30:06.77\00:30:08.10
Okay, like the image.
00:30:08.14\00:30:10.01
And she went in,
00:30:10.04\00:30:13.14
the announcement was made
for the appeal for baptism.
00:30:13.17\00:30:15.61
People were going for baptism,
and she followed the group,
00:30:15.64\00:30:18.41
and she had the
image walking behind them.
00:30:18.45\00:30:20.92
Intending to use it.
00:30:20.95\00:30:22.28
Intending to use
it 'cause of spell.
00:30:22.32\00:30:23.69
And when she
reached in front of the,
00:30:23.72\00:30:26.96
approach the preacher,
00:30:26.99\00:30:29.62
she saw a ring of
fire around the preacher.
00:30:29.66\00:30:32.93
Wow.
00:30:32.96\00:30:34.30
She was the only one who saw it.
00:30:34.33\00:30:37.07
She had the thing in her hand.
00:30:37.10\00:30:38.43
She put her face to
the ground, and she said,
00:30:38.47\00:30:40.94
"Jesus is too
powerful for Satan.
00:30:40.97\00:30:42.64
I must serve this Lord."
00:30:42.67\00:30:44.37
Wow.
00:30:44.41\00:30:45.74
She gave her life to
the Lord, she got baptized,
00:30:45.77\00:30:49.04
and it was in television
that the witch got baptized.
00:30:49.08\00:30:51.48
Praise the Lord.
00:30:51.51\00:30:52.85
It was on the
newspaper, a witch got baptized.
00:30:52.88\00:30:54.58
Well, that just made
the hair on my arm raise.
00:30:54.62\00:30:56.79
But the Lord has been blessing
00:30:56.82\00:31:00.46
and I mean, I can tell you
stories of another young man
00:31:00.49\00:31:04.39
who was selling liquor, alcohol,
00:31:04.43\00:31:07.30
and he passed by the meeting,
00:31:07.33\00:31:09.53
and sat down and got
interested in meeting.
00:31:09.56\00:31:12.40
His father had a distillery
that was making liquor
00:31:12.43\00:31:15.27
and he was the one
running selling the liquor.
00:31:15.30\00:31:17.31
Yes.
00:31:17.34\00:31:18.67
So after coming for few nights,
00:31:18.71\00:31:20.51
he went to his father
and he told his father
00:31:20.58\00:31:21.94
you know, he
wanted to get baptized.
00:31:21.98\00:31:23.35
Father said to him,
"If you get baptized,
00:31:23.38\00:31:25.85
I'm gonna put you out."
00:31:25.88\00:31:29.58
He decided to get baptized.
00:31:29.62\00:31:30.99
He went home and
the father said to him,
00:31:31.02\00:31:33.86
"Did you get baptized?"
00:31:33.89\00:31:35.22
He said, "Yes."
00:31:35.26\00:31:36.76
The father beat him,
00:31:36.83\00:31:39.09
took all the clothes out of him,
00:31:39.13\00:31:41.46
sent him into the street
naked, about 13, 14 years old.
00:31:41.50\00:31:46.60
The church got
together and adopted him,
00:31:46.63\00:31:49.50
buy clothes for him
and took care of him.
00:31:49.54\00:31:51.87
So some of the
things that are happening
00:31:51.91\00:31:53.31
and always you see...
00:31:53.38\00:31:54.71
Disowning of family members.
00:31:54.74\00:31:56.08
Of family members, yes.
00:31:56.11\00:31:57.45
So it's true in the Bible
when the Bible says, you know,
00:31:57.48\00:31:59.21
father against
children, son against mother,
00:31:59.25\00:32:01.82
you know all these
interfamily conflicts,
00:32:01.85\00:32:06.35
the gospel and that's where
the gospel becomes a sword.
00:32:06.39\00:32:08.96
Yes.
00:32:08.99\00:32:10.33
Doesn't always bring peace. No.
00:32:10.36\00:32:12.23
It's amazing how in America
00:32:12.26\00:32:13.60
we want the
peaceful side of the gospel.
00:32:13.63\00:32:15.40
We ask questions,
00:32:15.43\00:32:16.77
what do I have to
give up when in fact,
00:32:16.80\00:32:18.13
people are willing to give up
life, family, limb, clothing...
00:32:18.17\00:32:20.74
I have seen it.
00:32:20.77\00:32:22.10
You've seen it? I have seen it.
00:32:22.14\00:32:23.47
When I was in India,
00:32:23.51\00:32:24.84
we had a fight
started in the tent
00:32:24.87\00:32:29.14
because the husband did not want
00:32:29.18\00:32:31.91
his wife to be baptized.
00:32:31.95\00:32:33.28
But she got baptized anyway.
00:32:33.31\00:32:35.02
Wow, willing to say,
00:32:35.05\00:32:36.89
I'm choosing the Lord
over you in spite of the fight.
00:32:36.92\00:32:39.29
Yes.
00:32:39.32\00:32:40.66
And even in the
Congo there's a young man,
00:32:40.69\00:32:44.03
his wife when she got baptized,
00:32:44.06\00:32:47.10
and he came in while
baptism was going on,
00:32:47.13\00:32:50.17
beat his wife among
everyone and sent her home.
00:32:50.20\00:32:53.03
And told her you're
not getting baptized
00:32:53.07\00:32:54.87
but while when we left,
00:32:54.90\00:32:57.31
we got an email afterwards
saying that she got baptized.
00:32:57.34\00:33:01.58
When the Holy
Spirit touches you...
00:33:01.61\00:33:03.21
Let me tell you something.
00:33:03.24\00:33:05.65
Nothing that man
can do to prevent
00:33:05.68\00:33:07.42
the power of the Spirit of God.
00:33:07.45\00:33:08.85
That was an amazing testimony
00:33:08.88\00:33:10.22
about the witch who
saw the ring of fire.
00:33:10.29\00:33:11.62
Yes.
00:33:11.65\00:33:12.99
But let's go back to
that picture of the lady
00:33:13.02\00:33:14.36
being baptized.
00:33:14.39\00:33:15.72
Is that the 87 year
old that being baptized?
00:33:15.76\00:33:17.56
Yes. What's the story here?
00:33:17.63\00:33:19.26
Her name is Fideli.
00:33:19.29\00:33:21.76
She came from a
village and, of course,
00:33:21.80\00:33:24.67
with the work we're doing,
00:33:24.70\00:33:26.84
we go to different areas
and we keep health messages.
00:33:26.87\00:33:30.61
But while we're
doing the health messages
00:33:30.64\00:33:32.11
in the morning, we do
preaching in the morning,
00:33:32.14\00:33:34.94
do Bible study, and
then in the afternoon
00:33:34.98\00:33:37.15
we do the health messages.
00:33:37.18\00:33:39.25
Yes.
00:33:39.28\00:33:40.62
She came in,
while the first thing is
00:33:40.65\00:33:42.65
someone told her years ago
about this man called Jesus.
00:33:42.68\00:33:47.89
She heard about
Jesus and she said,
00:33:47.92\00:33:49.36
Jesus just goes
around with His disciples
00:33:49.39\00:33:52.46
and they go from
village to village
00:33:52.49\00:33:53.90
and they heal people.
00:33:53.93\00:33:55.93
And she heard
about it years ago.
00:33:55.96\00:33:58.43
So one day her
daughter came home
00:33:58.47\00:34:00.44
with the advertising we had
00:34:00.47\00:34:02.47
about the medical
work we're gonna do
00:34:02.50\00:34:04.77
and she said,
she tell her mother
00:34:04.81\00:34:08.18
they're doing a health
message and it's gonna be here,
00:34:08.21\00:34:11.31
and the mother ask
her, "Do they preach?
00:34:11.35\00:34:13.62
Do they pray?"
00:34:13.65\00:34:16.89
And she said, "Yes."
00:34:16.92\00:34:18.25
So she tells,
"She's gonna come."
00:34:18.29\00:34:20.46
She came, she was
treated the first day,
00:34:20.49\00:34:22.59
and she listened to the messages
00:34:22.62\00:34:25.66
and every day she came,
she listen to the messages.
00:34:25.69\00:34:29.00
So one day she
said to the person
00:34:29.03\00:34:31.70
who was giving the
Bible studies, said,
00:34:31.73\00:34:35.30
"I want to see Jesus."
00:34:35.34\00:34:38.11
And he said to her,
00:34:38.14\00:34:39.47
"Jesus is not
here, He's in heaven.
00:34:39.51\00:34:41.64
And He's coming back to
take His children with Him.
00:34:41.68\00:34:44.88
And there would
be no more death,
00:34:44.91\00:34:46.25
no more
sickness, no more disease."
00:34:46.28\00:34:47.72
Right.
00:34:47.75\00:34:49.08
And she said,
00:34:49.12\00:34:50.49
"That's the
Jesus I want to know."
00:34:50.52\00:34:51.85
Wow.
00:34:51.89\00:34:54.06
While we were
doing that program,
00:34:54.09\00:34:57.03
18 people got baptized.
00:34:57.06\00:34:58.49
She was one of
them who got baptized.
00:34:58.53\00:35:00.80
Amen.
00:35:00.83\00:35:02.16
She was so weak she
could not go into the water
00:35:02.20\00:35:04.60
so we have to
pick her up bodily,
00:35:04.63\00:35:06.87
and put her into the water.
00:35:06.94\00:35:09.70
She got baptized
00:35:09.74\00:35:11.34
two weeks
afterwards, she was gone.
00:35:11.37\00:35:14.34
She died.
00:35:14.38\00:35:15.71
Wow.
00:35:15.74\00:35:17.08
Gave her life to the Lord...
00:35:17.15\00:35:18.48
Before the doors
close. Just in time.
00:35:18.51\00:35:19.85
Praise God.
00:35:19.88\00:35:21.22
That's why missions
are so vitally important,
00:35:21.25\00:35:22.68
because there are
people, you know, Luke 19:10,
00:35:22.72\00:35:25.02
"The Son of man is come to seek
00:35:25.05\00:35:26.52
and to save
that which was lost."
00:35:26.55\00:35:28.16
That's the
mission of the evangelists
00:35:28.19\00:35:29.59
to seek those who are lost.
00:35:29.62\00:35:30.96
Yes.
00:35:30.99\00:35:32.33
But in these
developed countries,
00:35:32.36\00:35:33.70
many people don't think
00:35:33.73\00:35:35.06
because of all the
things that we have around us,
00:35:35.10\00:35:36.43
the accoutrements of life,
00:35:36.46\00:35:37.80
we don't think of
ourselves as loss.
00:35:37.83\00:35:39.17
We think of
ourselves as comfortable,
00:35:39.20\00:35:40.54
and well provided from,
00:35:40.57\00:35:42.10
well taken care of
and financially stable,
00:35:42.14\00:35:44.57
when the fact what
the condition of our lives
00:35:44.61\00:35:46.78
is really what
evangelism is all about.
00:35:46.81\00:35:48.94
But you're not only
involved in the medical side,
00:35:48.98\00:35:51.28
you know the headquarters,
the dormitory, the graduates,
00:35:51.31\00:35:54.02
but there's some needs.
00:35:54.05\00:35:55.45
Talk about the glasses
00:35:55.48\00:35:56.82
because that's something
that you have the need of.
00:35:56.89\00:35:58.72
Yeah, the glasses
are very important
00:35:58.75\00:36:00.56
because a lot of them,
when they take glasses,
00:36:00.59\00:36:03.09
even the pastors in
the church, they can't see.
00:36:03.12\00:36:06.16
And when we give
them the glasses,
00:36:06.19\00:36:07.53
they are so happy
00:36:07.60\00:36:09.00
because now they
can read the fine lines
00:36:09.03\00:36:12.30
that they could not read before.
00:36:12.33\00:36:13.67
How do you get the glasses?
00:36:13.74\00:36:15.07
We have donations. Okay.
00:36:15.10\00:36:16.44
We have people who
donate a lot of glasses.
00:36:16.47\00:36:18.84
We get 300, 400, 500
glasses and we go over there
00:36:18.87\00:36:22.28
and we have
despite of the ministry,
00:36:22.31\00:36:24.25
when we're doing
the medical work, we
00:36:24.28\00:36:25.88
have one area for
glasses and everyone comes in,
00:36:25.91\00:36:28.95
and we test their eyes
to see if they can read,
00:36:28.98\00:36:32.32
and which one is good.
00:36:32.35\00:36:33.69
Sometimes if it's too strong,
you know, they get headache.
00:36:33.76\00:36:35.32
Right.
00:36:35.36\00:36:36.73
If you get an headache,
you know, you can't use it.
00:36:36.76\00:36:38.46
That's worse.
00:36:38.49\00:36:39.93
We find one for them
00:36:40.00\00:36:41.33
that is they're
comfortable with.
00:36:41.36\00:36:44.43
And that happened but
what happened on this time,
00:36:44.47\00:36:48.07
there was a president,
00:36:48.10\00:36:50.64
the General of
the Army in the Congo.
00:36:50.71\00:36:54.98
He told his wife, his family,
00:36:55.01\00:36:58.28
"I don't like
these churches and them.
00:36:58.31\00:37:01.02
They don't do anything for me.
00:37:01.05\00:37:03.12
They come, they take the money
and all these other things,
00:37:03.15\00:37:06.35
But nothing is being done
00:37:06.39\00:37:08.76
for the people that get
all the money for themselves
00:37:08.79\00:37:11.96
and they do
nothing for the people."
00:37:11.99\00:37:13.33
He said to his family,
00:37:13.40\00:37:15.13
"Don't go to none
of these churches."
00:37:15.16\00:37:16.60
So they never went.
00:37:16.67\00:37:18.07
But one day his wife went
to Kinshasa to do something,
00:37:18.10\00:37:22.17
shopping or something.
00:37:22.20\00:37:23.54
She passed where we
were doing some medical work.
00:37:23.61\00:37:26.68
And she went there, and
when she went back home,
00:37:26.71\00:37:29.81
she came back
with a pair of glasses.
00:37:29.84\00:37:32.05
So the husband
looked at her and said,
00:37:32.08\00:37:33.85
"Where did you get that?"
00:37:33.92\00:37:36.05
She said, "There is
a medical work going on
00:37:36.08\00:37:39.35
and when I get my eyes tested,
00:37:39.39\00:37:42.89
and I got a pair of
glass and I can see.
00:37:42.92\00:37:44.59
So the General said,
"Those are expensive glasses.
00:37:44.63\00:37:48.60
How could you get
such an expensive glass?"
00:37:48.63\00:37:50.47
She said, "Well, it was free."
00:37:50.50\00:37:52.93
He said, "I don't believe it."
00:37:52.97\00:37:54.30
So he told his daughter, right.
00:37:54.34\00:37:57.11
with the bodyguard to
go down there and see.
00:37:57.14\00:38:01.44
He said, "I don't
believe the wife."
00:38:01.48\00:38:04.58
So the daughter went down there
00:38:04.61\00:38:06.55
and came back
with a pair of glasses
00:38:06.58\00:38:07.92
because she had
problems, she also.
00:38:07.95\00:38:10.42
So he looked at her and he said,
00:38:10.49\00:38:13.25
"These are expensive glasses."
00:38:13.29\00:38:15.89
The daughter
told him it was free.
00:38:15.92\00:38:18.26
So he said...
00:38:18.29\00:38:19.63
The wife said to him,
"Why don't you go yourself,"
00:38:19.66\00:38:22.23
you know, or send the general,
00:38:22.26\00:38:25.63
not general but send a major
00:38:25.67\00:38:27.64
or colonel to go
as representative.
00:38:27.67\00:38:29.77
He said, "No, I'm
going to go myself."
00:38:29.80\00:38:32.24
So he went down there,
and he saw what was happening.
00:38:32.27\00:38:37.68
And he said, "I
want to see the leader."
00:38:37.71\00:38:39.05
So he saw Pastor Ongasa.
00:38:39.08\00:38:40.62
And he said...
00:38:40.65\00:38:43.08
"Why are you
giving these things out?"
00:38:43.12\00:38:44.79
He said, "We work on
an organization as this."
00:38:44.82\00:38:48.72
He said, "We were a church."
00:38:48.76\00:38:50.13
He said, "What kind of church?"
00:38:50.16\00:38:51.49
He said, "We are
Seventh-day Adventist Church."
00:38:51.53\00:38:53.40
He said, the General said,
"I never heard of this church."
00:38:53.43\00:38:56.60
He said well,
Adventist means that
00:38:56.67\00:38:58.73
we're looking for the
Second Coming of Jesus
00:38:58.77\00:39:01.07
and the seventh day means that
we worship on the seventh day
00:39:01.10\00:39:04.04
according to
what the Bible says.
00:39:04.11\00:39:06.47
So the General said,
00:39:06.51\00:39:09.11
"I want you to come and
give me some Bible studies..
00:39:09.14\00:39:11.38
Praise the Lord, okay.
00:39:11.41\00:39:13.42
So Pastor Ongasa could not do it
00:39:13.45\00:39:15.38
so he sent another
person, Bible worker,
00:39:15.42\00:39:18.45
to go to the place.
00:39:18.49\00:39:19.85
And the Bible worker came back.
00:39:19.89\00:39:21.22
He said,
00:39:21.26\00:39:22.66
"The amount of
security clearance
00:39:22.69\00:39:24.66
he had to go through."
00:39:24.69\00:39:26.03
I could imagine. He was right.
00:39:26.06\00:39:27.40
To get to this General.
00:39:27.43\00:39:29.23
And now this General,
desiring Bible studies.
00:39:29.26\00:39:33.37
Praise the Lord.
00:39:33.44\00:39:35.24
This is the...
00:39:35.27\00:39:36.60
This is one of the areas
00:39:36.64\00:39:37.97
where we're
giving the Bible studies.
00:39:38.01\00:39:39.34
Wow.
00:39:39.37\00:39:40.81
Is that the General?
00:39:40.88\00:39:42.41
I think that is the General.
00:39:42.44\00:39:43.78
I think that's on
to the left. Yeah.
00:39:43.85\00:39:45.81
With the Bible workers, yes.
00:39:45.85\00:39:47.22
Wow. Yeah.
00:39:47.25\00:39:48.58
It's amazing how God works.
00:39:48.62\00:39:49.95
These are hoops
00:39:49.98\00:39:51.32
that could not
be have been moved
00:39:51.35\00:39:53.49
by just your authority
00:39:53.56\00:39:54.89
or you just desiring
to go to the General.
00:39:54.92\00:39:56.83
You wouldn't get there alive.
00:39:56.86\00:39:58.19
Could not get there.
00:39:58.23\00:39:59.66
The medical work.
00:39:59.69\00:40:01.03
The medical work, that's why.
00:40:01.06\00:40:02.73
Because you couldn't got in
there with the gospel first.
00:40:02.76\00:40:05.07
First, no.
00:40:05.10\00:40:06.43
He had to see the gospel in us.
He had to see the gospel in us.
00:40:06.47\00:40:07.80
That's important.
00:40:07.84\00:40:09.17
People need to understand
00:40:09.20\00:40:10.54
that the gospel is not just
something that's Bible based,
00:40:10.61\00:40:14.08
but it's
functional it is in the lives.
00:40:14.11\00:40:16.64
Talk about blood testing?
00:40:16.68\00:40:18.35
Blood testing, well,
that's one of the things we do
00:40:18.38\00:40:20.32
in the medical field
when we go out there.
00:40:20.35\00:40:23.15
We have different branches,
we have different tables,
00:40:23.18\00:40:25.59
one for blood testing.
00:40:25.62\00:40:27.06
We test them there
and then we have a clinic.
00:40:27.09\00:40:33.06
We get donations from medical,
00:40:33.09\00:40:35.73
different medicines
00:40:35.76\00:40:37.17
and whatever their needs
are after the doctor sees them,
00:40:37.20\00:40:40.74
they go to the clinic,
00:40:40.77\00:40:42.10
the doctor writes
out a prescription
00:40:42.14\00:40:44.21
and whatever we have there,
00:40:44.24\00:40:45.57
we give it to them
so they can be helped.
00:40:45.61\00:40:48.71
So this picture
about sponsored services,
00:40:48.74\00:40:50.75
you could tell us what this is
00:40:50.78\00:40:52.11
because there are more services,
00:40:52.15\00:40:53.48
you have the blood
testing, you also have the...
00:40:53.52\00:40:55.85
Well, what we do here is
00:40:55.88\00:40:58.39
that when the
children are really sick
00:40:58.42\00:41:01.86
and their parents cannot afford
to send them to the hospital,
00:41:01.89\00:41:05.43
we pay for the operation.
00:41:05.46\00:41:10.37
We pay the doctor to take
care of them to make sure.
00:41:10.40\00:41:12.60
This little girl
here, her eye was swollen.
00:41:12.63\00:41:17.61
She had an infection
in the eye, the right eye.
00:41:17.64\00:41:19.91
It was so big, we
couldn't show the picture.
00:41:19.94\00:41:22.31
And after the
operation and everything,
00:41:22.34\00:41:26.48
the eye, they put
a patch on the eye
00:41:26.51\00:41:27.98
and she able to remove it
00:41:28.02\00:41:29.98
because it was one of
the biggest I've seen.
00:41:30.02\00:41:33.79
There are so many
diseases over there.
00:41:33.86\00:41:35.46
There are some
pictures I cannot even show
00:41:35.49\00:41:39.53
because people will cry
when they see these things.
00:41:39.56\00:41:41.83
There was one boy,
00:41:41.86\00:41:43.40
whose eye, the white of his eye,
00:41:43.47\00:41:45.27
the pink of his
eye, whole thing was out.
00:41:45.30\00:41:48.40
His brain
hemorrhage was swollen...
00:41:48.44\00:41:51.87
Pushing the eye out.
00:41:51.91\00:41:53.24
Pushed the eye out
00:41:53.27\00:41:54.61
and he could not
see, he was blind.
00:41:54.64\00:41:56.21
And I mean...
00:41:56.24\00:41:57.95
And these are things in America
or in developed countries
00:41:57.98\00:42:00.62
at the inception of these
diseases that could be handled.
00:42:00.65\00:42:03.89
It could be handled.
00:42:03.92\00:42:05.25
But it was so far gone
00:42:05.29\00:42:06.62
that young man is
probably dead by now.
00:42:06.65\00:42:09.02
He was only about nine years.
00:42:09.06\00:42:10.73
His mother had to
take him on her back
00:42:10.76\00:42:14.66
and cover his face with a shawl
00:42:14.70\00:42:17.50
or something like
so no one can see it.
00:42:17.57\00:42:19.80
And when she opened it up,
it was like a horror movie.
00:42:19.83\00:42:23.41
Right. Because such a...
00:42:23.44\00:42:24.81
It was a shock,
yes. The deformity.
00:42:24.84\00:42:27.88
Wow. But then you have a clinic.
00:42:27.91\00:42:29.44
You talked about the
clinic that sponsored.
00:42:29.48\00:42:32.88
That's one of our future plans.
00:42:32.91\00:42:35.08
We want to build a clinic also,
00:42:35.12\00:42:36.92
so we need
sponsoring for that also.
00:42:36.99\00:42:39.72
And then getting around... Yeah.
00:42:39.75\00:42:43.09
This is also the part of
the medical work we're doing.
00:42:43.12\00:42:45.49
Okay. Yeah.
00:42:45.53\00:42:46.90
When we have the clinic,
00:42:46.93\00:42:48.26
this is where some
of them are treated,
00:42:48.30\00:42:50.07
we got different posts
00:42:50.10\00:42:51.43
and different
positions depending on the need.
00:42:51.47\00:42:53.74
Throughout your centers.
Yes, throughout our centers.
00:42:53.77\00:42:55.40
Wherever you needs are,
00:42:55.44\00:42:57.44
you're sent there to be treated.
00:42:57.51\00:43:00.08
Okay. Yeah.
00:43:00.11\00:43:01.44
And what about,
00:43:01.48\00:43:02.81
you talk about
government trucks,
00:43:02.84\00:43:04.18
talk about that for a moment?
00:43:04.21\00:43:05.55
Oh, when those, the
medical, the government,
00:43:05.58\00:43:08.15
so what we're doing so much
00:43:08.18\00:43:10.49
that they lent us
those medical trucks.
00:43:10.52\00:43:12.85
Amen.
00:43:12.89\00:43:14.26
And they are like
practically ours now
00:43:14.29\00:43:15.99
because whenever we want it,
00:43:16.02\00:43:17.89
whenever we need
them, the government said,
00:43:17.93\00:43:20.70
take it because the needs
of the people are so great.
00:43:20.73\00:43:25.13
And we have doctors
who come in and volunteer
00:43:25.17\00:43:27.94
to do the work that
is needed in these areas.
00:43:27.97\00:43:31.24
And while that is being done,
evangelism's being done also.
00:43:31.27\00:43:35.51
So that is why so far
00:43:35.54\00:43:36.88
we have about 69, 68 churches
started throughout the country.
00:43:36.95\00:43:41.52
Where there was
none. Where there was none.
00:43:41.55\00:43:43.79
And all in the arm of
the medical evangelism.
00:43:43.82\00:43:46.22
On medical evangelism.
00:43:46.25\00:43:47.59
That's huge.
00:43:47.66\00:43:48.99
That's amazing.
00:43:49.02\00:43:50.93
That's God driven.
00:43:50.96\00:43:52.29
Yes, yes.
00:43:52.33\00:43:53.70
And one of the things we
do also at Train Them 2 Fish
00:43:53.73\00:43:56.90
is that we find out
the needs of the people.
00:43:56.97\00:44:00.14
They don't have any
money, they cannot make a living
00:44:00.17\00:44:03.41
so what we do is we
train them to do something
00:44:03.44\00:44:05.34
and what we're doing,
00:44:05.37\00:44:06.71
one of the things that
we're teaching them how to sew.
00:44:06.78\00:44:09.48
Okay.
00:44:09.51\00:44:10.85
So we buy machines,
teach them how to sew,
00:44:10.88\00:44:14.62
give them the
machines, buy the material,
00:44:14.65\00:44:17.95
and let them go
out and do the work
00:44:17.99\00:44:19.85
and can provide
living for themselves.
00:44:19.89\00:44:23.19
Right, provide an
income. Yeah, income.
00:44:23.22\00:44:25.26
You know, it's amazing.
00:44:25.29\00:44:26.63
We think of the generation
00:44:26.70\00:44:28.03
which we live is a very capable,
00:44:28.06\00:44:29.56
very well stocked generation.
00:44:29.60\00:44:31.40
But there are parts of the world
00:44:31.43\00:44:33.54
where the basic
necessities of life are missing.
00:44:33.57\00:44:36.84
And in the Republic of
Congo, that's in fact...
00:44:36.91\00:44:41.51
It is a dire need.
00:44:41.54\00:44:42.88
A dire need. Yes, yes.
00:44:42.91\00:44:44.25
And you know what's amazing.
00:44:44.28\00:44:45.61
We talk about
where you are before.
00:44:45.65\00:44:47.42
I'm sitting here amazed
00:44:47.45\00:44:48.78
because the Lord picked
you, the Lord chose you.
00:44:48.82\00:44:52.25
I can never believe at just
a little person from Trinidad,
00:44:52.29\00:44:57.33
the Lord can send
me all over the world.
00:44:57.36\00:45:00.10
I've been to three
continents already.
00:45:00.13\00:45:02.40
Okay.
00:45:02.43\00:45:03.77
You know, and I said, Lord
00:45:03.80\00:45:06.87
I used to teach
martial arts before
00:45:06.94\00:45:09.14
and I said, Lord, you know,
I used to be proud of myself
00:45:09.17\00:45:12.37
because I was physically
fit and I was into my own pride.
00:45:12.41\00:45:17.71
I said, Lord, you know,
00:45:17.75\00:45:19.11
now I gotta keep this
body fit to do your work.
00:45:19.15\00:45:21.38
That's right.
00:45:21.42\00:45:22.75
So that's what I'm doing.
00:45:22.78\00:45:24.12
And so, what are
some of your needs,
00:45:24.19\00:45:25.52
what are some of the
future plans that you have
00:45:25.55\00:45:27.36
that people that are watching
this program or listening to it
00:45:27.39\00:45:30.53
can also participate
in, because you are a 501c3?
00:45:30.56\00:45:33.73
Yes, we are planning to go
00:45:33.80\00:45:35.63
to the different
French speaking countries.
00:45:35.66\00:45:37.47
Okay.
00:45:37.50\00:45:38.83
We are in Gabon,
00:45:38.87\00:45:40.20
we want to go to
Congo-Brazzaville
00:45:40.24\00:45:43.27
which is the smaller country,
00:45:43.30\00:45:45.21
and we have some
students coming from there,
00:45:45.24\00:45:48.21
that's gonna be taught,
00:45:48.24\00:45:50.58
until they can go
back in internal area.
00:45:50.65\00:45:52.71
We have Central Africa,
00:45:52.75\00:45:54.12
we're working on also
on these different areas.
00:45:54.15\00:45:56.38
And we need the
funding for these places.
00:45:56.42\00:46:00.56
We need the
funding for the churches
00:46:00.59\00:46:01.92
to build the churches.
00:46:01.96\00:46:03.29
We need the
funding for the Bibles
00:46:03.32\00:46:05.46
and we even got funding for...
00:46:05.49\00:46:07.83
We're working with AWR
also, Adventist World Radio.
00:46:07.86\00:46:11.10
And we got a funding
for a license in Togo.
00:46:11.13\00:46:16.44
Okay, to put a broadcast?
To put a broadcast over there.
00:46:16.47\00:46:19.01
So all these things are needed
and some of the young people,
00:46:19.04\00:46:24.08
we need to
provide jobs for them.
00:46:24.15\00:46:26.92
And one of the things
we saw is that there was no
00:46:26.95\00:46:30.89
whole wheat
bread in the country.
00:46:30.92\00:46:34.36
So we were thinking of
00:46:34.39\00:46:36.56
and also we're trying to
start a brick-making factory.
00:46:36.59\00:46:41.23
Okay.
00:46:41.26\00:46:42.60
You can buy their equipment
and sell the bricks to people
00:46:42.63\00:46:46.30
who wants and even use it
to build our own churches.
00:46:46.33\00:46:50.04
Now what about one day church?
00:46:50.11\00:46:52.07
One day churches, well,
00:46:52.11\00:46:54.11
this church is built
in about a day and a half.
00:46:54.18\00:46:59.38
And it's not
really from Maranatha,
00:46:59.41\00:47:04.42
these people
wanted the church so badly
00:47:04.45\00:47:06.89
that we bought the material,
00:47:06.96\00:47:09.16
and they
themselves put the church up.
00:47:09.19\00:47:10.73
Wow and they did it in one day?
00:47:10.76\00:47:13.19
In one day.
00:47:13.23\00:47:14.56
And then if we look at the roof,
00:47:14.60\00:47:15.93
you can see,
there is no galvanax.
00:47:15.96\00:47:17.80
They put a tarpaulin,
00:47:17.83\00:47:20.64
you know, and on
the side of the church,
00:47:20.67\00:47:22.77
they're gonna put a
tarp also or a sheeting to,
00:47:22.80\00:47:27.74
you know, which
can block everything
00:47:27.78\00:47:29.24
and could be inclusive.
00:47:29.28\00:47:30.65
Like elements
and other. Yes, yeah.
00:47:30.68\00:47:32.01
That's amazing.
00:47:32.05\00:47:33.38
Here we are blessed in America
00:47:33.42\00:47:35.32
and I say America
because that's where we are,
00:47:35.35\00:47:38.75
but many parts of the world
00:47:38.79\00:47:40.76
are blessed with
very capable facilities
00:47:40.79\00:47:44.43
have the great medical parks,
00:47:44.46\00:47:46.59
but the way that
God is impressed you
00:47:46.63\00:47:49.23
and Train Them 2 Fish,
00:47:49.26\00:47:51.53
how many people are involved
in Train Them 2 Fish with you?
00:47:51.57\00:47:55.00
Well, we have...
00:47:55.04\00:47:59.04
a lot of people coming
00:47:59.07\00:48:00.91
from different areas
and different organizations.
00:48:00.98\00:48:02.41
Lot of volunteers?
Yeah, lot of volunteers.
00:48:02.44\00:48:04.71
We have the Bible workers
really started the volunteer
00:48:04.75\00:48:09.72
but then we realized the
need to take care of themselves,
00:48:09.75\00:48:14.26
so we had to give them a stipend
00:48:14.29\00:48:16.22
so they can live and can
go out and spread the gospel
00:48:16.26\00:48:18.83
and that's how the
churches are developing.
00:48:18.86\00:48:21.40
So how much time do
you spend over in Congo?
00:48:21.43\00:48:25.17
Usually about three weeks.
00:48:25.20\00:48:26.53
I am planning to go there again
to see how things are going,
00:48:26.57\00:48:31.04
see what we're doing.
00:48:31.07\00:48:32.41
I'm looking at the...
00:48:32.44\00:48:34.48
I was in Tanzania this year,
00:48:34.51\00:48:37.18
and I saw the need for...
00:48:37.25\00:48:41.05
those who are getting baptized,
00:48:41.08\00:48:42.95
they don't have
any living at all.
00:48:42.98\00:48:46.86
So I'm looking to see if
we can get a sponsor to buy
00:48:46.89\00:48:49.42
some of the Bajaj,
00:48:49.46\00:48:51.29
the three wheel
tuk tuk they call that.
00:48:51.33\00:48:54.86
What is some like
that cost generally?
00:48:54.90\00:48:57.17
It costs 1,300.
00:48:57.20\00:48:59.87
I'm buying them
wholesale in China.
00:48:59.90\00:49:02.27
Okay.
00:49:02.30\00:49:03.64
If I can get them
wholesale in China,
00:49:03.71\00:49:05.14
to 1300 for one.
00:49:05.17\00:49:07.88
In the Congo if
you're going to buy,
00:49:07.91\00:49:09.68
it's about $3000-$4000 for one.
00:49:09.71\00:49:11.75
Wow.
00:49:11.78\00:49:13.11
So I have already contacted
the company that makes them
00:49:13.15\00:49:17.29
and they contacted me,
00:49:17.32\00:49:18.95
they can ship it
in about six at a time
00:49:18.99\00:49:23.36
and they will take it
and send it to the Congo
00:49:23.43\00:49:25.46
and the
government is gonna help us
00:49:25.49\00:49:27.40
with the
licenses and everything.
00:49:27.43\00:49:30.10
And what we're
planning to do is that,
00:49:30.17\00:49:32.50
once we get those,
00:49:32.53\00:49:34.24
those who are gonna be using it,
00:49:34.27\00:49:36.37
they're gonna
give us back money,
00:49:36.40\00:49:38.34
they gradually pay us for it.
00:49:38.37\00:49:40.58
So at the end, it
could become theirs,
00:49:40.61\00:49:43.55
and the money they're giving us,
00:49:43.58\00:49:44.91
we can go and buy more.
00:49:44.95\00:49:46.28
Okay, I like it.
00:49:46.31\00:49:47.65
So while you're
providing the need,
00:49:47.68\00:49:49.92
the need is
being also reimbursed
00:49:49.95\00:49:52.62
so that the money that
00:49:52.65\00:49:54.16
can go on and
take another projects.
00:49:54.19\00:49:55.52
And continue, yes, yes.
00:49:55.56\00:49:57.03
So that is one of
the plans we wanna have.
00:49:57.06\00:49:59.83
And so when you think about
00:49:59.86\00:50:01.93
where you were
and where you are,
00:50:01.96\00:50:05.17
how do you handle that?
00:50:05.20\00:50:07.47
I can only say God...
00:50:07.54\00:50:11.11
As a matter of fact,
00:50:11.14\00:50:12.54
you know, I know
the Lord is with me
00:50:12.57\00:50:14.91
because He spoke to me twice.
00:50:14.94\00:50:18.18
I was with NAPS when Katrina
00:50:18.21\00:50:20.45
happened in couple of years ago,
00:50:20.52\00:50:23.89
and we were on the beach
00:50:23.92\00:50:26.25
and we were moving one
of the trucks we brought,
00:50:26.29\00:50:30.86
they know those of U-Haul,
00:50:30.93\00:50:32.86
that you pull,
you wanna think so.
00:50:32.89\00:50:35.80
Trailers. Trailers.
00:50:35.83\00:50:37.17
So we wanted to hitch it
00:50:37.20\00:50:40.67
and three or four
the guys lifted up
00:50:40.74\00:50:43.64
and they dropped it
00:50:43.71\00:50:45.04
and I tried by myself to lift it
00:50:45.07\00:50:48.74
and I end up tearing my back.
00:50:48.78\00:50:52.28
The lumbar area,
my muscles were torn,
00:50:52.31\00:50:55.85
I was sleeping on
the beach in a tent
00:50:55.88\00:51:00.36
and I was in excruciating pain.
00:51:00.39\00:51:03.22
And I said, "Lord, you know,
the devil's trying to kill me?"
00:51:03.26\00:51:05.76
Because I'm
trying to do your work
00:51:05.79\00:51:07.13
and here I am
with all this pain,
00:51:07.20\00:51:09.13
You need to help me, Lord.
00:51:09.16\00:51:10.67
Right.
00:51:10.70\00:51:12.03
So I heard a
voice in the dark said,
00:51:12.07\00:51:14.70
"I love you, I love you."
00:51:14.74\00:51:17.87
Two weeks afterwards,
it was another hurricane
00:51:17.91\00:51:20.51
that came to the country.
00:51:20.58\00:51:22.18
And I went with my friend,
00:51:22.21\00:51:24.61
who was in that
area, in the bay area.
00:51:24.65\00:51:27.32
To help him, I had a chainsaw
in my hand, and I was...
00:51:27.35\00:51:31.25
Before that, I
could hardly move.
00:51:31.29\00:51:34.76
I did not even
realize the pain was gone.
00:51:34.79\00:51:36.73
The pain was gone.
00:51:36.76\00:51:38.09
Pain was gone and
it never came back.
00:51:38.13\00:51:40.80
Wow.
00:51:40.83\00:51:42.16
Well, you know,
Brother George Lee,
00:51:42.20\00:51:43.57
I know I want the people to
be able to get in touch with you
00:51:43.60\00:51:45.70
because the things
we talked about that,
00:51:45.73\00:51:47.14
that needs to be sponsored.
00:51:47.17\00:51:48.77
This is the
information that you need
00:51:48.80\00:51:50.97
to get in touch
with Train Them 2 Fish,
00:51:51.01\00:51:54.18
and President
and CEO, George Lee
00:51:54.21\00:51:56.51
will be very appreciative.
00:51:56.54\00:51:58.38
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00:52:02.48\00:52:04.85
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00:52:04.89\00:52:07.36
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00:52:07.39\00:52:09.32
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00:52:09.36\00:52:11.86
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00:52:11.89\00:52:14.23
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00:52:14.30\00:52:15.63
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00:52:15.66\00:52:17.00
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00:52:26.88\00:52:31.41
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00:52:31.45\00:52:35.22
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