I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life.
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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But if you're
part of our family,
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you already know that.
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Welcome back if you are
a part of the 3ABN family.
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But if this is your first time,
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I'd like to encourage you
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to tune in, lock in this network
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because we do believe
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that this network
is of divine origin,
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and we are called to
do the will of the Lord
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getting others
ready for the soon return
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of our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ.
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Thank you for tuning in today.
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We have a very exciting program.
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If you like music,
this program is for you.
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Music is more than just
notes and words on a page,
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but music is able to
touch parts of our lives
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and times of our lives
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when other things just
may not be able to penetrate.
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And so today, we
are going to introduce
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three very
well-informed musicians,
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ministers of music and
people that love the Lord,
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and I know that you
are going to be encouraged
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by this program.
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But thank you for your prayers
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and your financial
support of 3ABN Network
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as we continue
going and growing,
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getting ready for
the coming of the Lord.
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But as you know, we
always... It's amazing.
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We are introducing
a music program today
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with a music.
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And one of my good
friends Jaime Jorge
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is going to prime the
set or as I would say,
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get our hearts ready
for this exciting program
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as he plays the
song "Holy Holy Holy."
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Thank you so much, Jaime.
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You know, Jaime is at
one with his instrument,
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and he's not just playing a song
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but he's
communicating an experience
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that he has with the Lord.
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Thank you so much for
laying that foundation.
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And now the time has
come to meet our guests.
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I'll begin with the gentleman
to my right, David Schmidt.
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Since you're so close,
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I'll extend my
hand and welcome you.
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Good to have you here,
David. Nice to be here.
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Yes.
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When I saw you this
morning in our worship
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that we have here
at 3ABN, I thought,
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"Wow, these guys
are all dressed alike.
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They must be here
for a specific reason."
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And then I noticed
the medallion there,
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The Oregon
Adventist Men's Chorus.
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And for our
viewers and listeners,
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we'd like to welcome you,
thank you for coming to 3ABN.
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But in a nutshell,
we'll come back to you.
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Tell us who you are
I already told them.
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What do you do right now,
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I know that you're
probably not full time in music,
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but if you are, let us know.
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No, I'm retired.
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I was been a pastor
in Oregon Conference
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for a number of years.
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Okay.
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And now, I am a
full-time grandparent.
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That's all. Okay.
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The best occupation.
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Fantastic. You bet.
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You know, somebody once said
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if I knew that
grandkids would be so much fun,
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I'd had them first.
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But we're glad to
have you here, David.
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Yeah, it's good to be with you.
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And, Ben,
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good to have you
here, Ben Purvis.
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Thank you.
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Tell us what you do right
now and where you're from.
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I'm a high school music teacher.
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Okay.
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And I live in Caldwell, Idaho.
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Okay.
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And have a fun time hitching up
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with the men's
chorus every few weeks.
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Okay.
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I've been to
Caldwell a number of times
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when I was in
the Heritage Singers.
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Beautiful...
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Beautiful city. Yes.
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And a little bit of mountains
around it, but very nice.
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Good to have you here today.
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Thank you.
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And, Paul Dragulin.
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Am I saying that correctly?
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Dragulin? Yeah.
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Okay, good to
have you here, Paul.
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And give us a
little bit about you.
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Tell us where you're from
and what you do right now?
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Well, I'm from Portland, Oregon.
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And right now, I am
an assistant caregiver
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at my parent's
adult foster care home...
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Okay.
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Helping out with
developmentally disabled adults
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that we take care of.
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Okay. Yeah.
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But I found out something
about you a moment ago.
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Tell us a little bit
about your academic background.
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I have a
doctorate in astrophysics.
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Wow!
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It's something that I
give God all the glory for
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because I was not
going to get that on my own.
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Okay, astrophysics.
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Wow! That's...
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You got to really concentrate.
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That's in the area of
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I wouldn't turn the program
into an astrophysics program,
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but just give our
viewers and listeners,
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what's a nutshell, astrophysics?
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If you could just put
that in layman's terms,
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what do you study?
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What does it focus on?
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Stuff in space,
stars, galaxies, planets.
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Okay.
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The universe as a whole
and how it all works together.
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Well, I would say on that
note, I'm an amateur astronomer.
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So amateur that I use my
iPad to look at the heavens.
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We're glad to
have you here also.
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And we got to talk about
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the Oregon
Adventist Men's Chorus.
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And, David, I'll start with you.
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Just kind of give us...
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I know, you just
mentioned you've been a pastor,
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and I did know that,
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but how long have
you been in ministry?
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Well, a long time ago,
that's why I'm retired.
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But when I was in the academy,
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I was in a quartet
with my two brothers
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and a fellow named Buz Starrett.
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Yes.
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And then at PSC, Buz started
a student led men's chorus.
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And years later
when I was a pastor,
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I was also in
the music committee
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for our camp meeting in Oregon.
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Okay.
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And we had begun a men's
group in my church in Salem
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about 20 guys,
we decided to sing
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for an Easter program
one Sabbath, one year,
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probably 1993 I
think it was there about.
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And that went really well.
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People seem to appreciate it.
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So I thought "Well, let's
see if we can do some more."
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And being on the music committee
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for a camp meeting, I thought
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"Why don't we
get a group together
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and let's sing
them for camp meeting."
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So I told my
friends, fellow pastors,
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and they put ads in a bulletin.
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So in camp
meeting in Oregon in 1994,
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we had 112 men show up to sing,
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a great experience with that.
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We thought "Well, let's
do a program of our own."
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So the next spring,
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our next summer at camp meeting,
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no, next spring,
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we had our first
festival of praise
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for the Oregon
Adventist Men's Chorus.
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Okay.
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We've been doing that
for the next 25 years.
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Wow!
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You know, we thought we'd
do it three or four years,
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we'd be all done, but
the Lord had other ideas,
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so it's been quite
a ride we've been on.
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And so then this started
while you were in pastoring?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So that...
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You know, it's
amazing as you talk about
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God had other plans.
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Yep.
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Lot of times, the
things we do recreationally
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tend to become the
longevity of our ministry
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because when I
asked the question,
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how long have
you been in ministry,
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you're still in ministry.
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Yeah.
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Because pastors
although they retire,
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they really never retire.
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Still doing it.
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You know, we never get retired.
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Well, in my
church we had a person
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come from
California I think, and joined,
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His name is Lou Wildman.
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So he's the
co-founder of the chorus.
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He thought it was
all done directing,
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he had been directing
choirs over the years.
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But again, Lord
plugged him in a new way
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and used him for
a number of years,
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the first 20
years of our existence
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as a chorus.
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Now was all your
ministry in the Oregon area?
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Yes. Okay. Wow!
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That's unusual. You
stayed... Were you...
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Okay, now this is
the $1,000 question.
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Were you born in Oregon?
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No.
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We were
transplanted in California.
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Okay, all right.
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So you're West
Coast. West Coast.
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We like California too.
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We'll let you come to Oregon,
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or should I say it
the other way around?
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'Cause I enjoy
California. It was...
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I lived in
California for about 18 years,
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enjoyed it very well.
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The West Coast is a
beautiful place to live.
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Okay, back here
in Illinois, it's...
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Flying in I couldn't
believe all the trees blow us,
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it seemed like Oregon,
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there are so many
trees looking down.
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It's beautiful. Very nice.
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Yeah, the Midwest is nice.
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We are in that...
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You know, when the seasons
come and go in the Midwest...
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You can tell the change.
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You get those four
seasons. You get a lot...
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Are you in the
rainy part of Oregon?
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That's the part.
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Okay, where you
don't have to worry
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about things getting brown.
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No, maybe in the
summer, but not much.
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You can send some of
that water to California.
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Unfortunately, we do.
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Well, Pastor Schmidt,
good to have you here.
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Now, Ben,
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give us a little bit
more about your background.
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You live in Oregon
right now but you're from...
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Oh, do you live in Caldwell?
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I live in Caldwell, yes.
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How far is that from Oregon?
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Well, it's about
a six-hour drive.
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Okay.
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And a little
over an hour flight.
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Well, give us some
of your background.
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What got you involved in the...
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In the men's chorus? Yeah.
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Well, I was
actually teaching there
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in the Caldwell
area number of years ago,
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and the men's
chorus was scheduled
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to come and
perform on a huge weekend
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at the school.
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And I was terribly busy
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with my own
groups and stretched out,
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and I didn't want
this men's chorus to come.
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And they kept calling me
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while I was in the
middle of doing everything else,
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and really get, at
many points irritating me.
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And I was already
ready for them to leave
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before they got there even.
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But then, when
they actually got there
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and started
that first rehearsal,
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I had told some
of the young guys
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in my select choir
that they needed to come
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to the rehearsal as
well and sing with the choir.
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So if I had to be there,
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they needed to
be there too, okay?
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So makes it together.
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Yeah, not just leave me hanging
out there by myself, you know.
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We were partway
through that first song,
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and one of my
students turned around
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and just went, "Wow!"
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And they were hooked,
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just the whole
concept of men together,
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singing the praises
of God and enjoying it
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and doing it with enthusiasm,
and energy, and excitement,
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and singing from their
heart, and it was just...
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It opened up a
whole new world to them.
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In fact, the young
man that turned around
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and said wow to
me came from a home
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where his father
had left years before
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and his mother
struggled her hardest
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as a single mother, you know,
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and he just
coming into that group
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and the men just
mentored those guys
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and just bonded with him,
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and it was just a
fantastic spiritual
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and emotional
experience for all of us.
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And I was about...
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So you know, you
knew from that moment,
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this is what I want to do.
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Yeah. So then we started...
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I started taking
guys over to rehearsals
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as often as we could.
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And we ended up actually,
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some of my students and
I traveling to South Africa
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with the men's chorus
a number of years ago.
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Okay. Well, that's good.
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So you have been with
them for about how long now?
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You know, I don't...
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That was quite a while ago,
and then I moved to Arizona.
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So I was out for a few years.
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Okay.
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You know, it was interesting
what you said about Arizona
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'cause you live
in Caldwell, Idaho.
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And I said, "How would you leave
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such beautiful
weather in Arizona?"
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And what was
your response to that?
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Well, it was
not difficult for me
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to leave the
beautiful weather in Arizona.
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Okay.
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I like the four
seasons, I like the coolness,
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it's wonderful to
wake up in the morning
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and put on a
jacket to take a walk.
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That's true. I love that.
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That's not very common
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except at high, high
altitudes at Arizona.
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Yes, yes, that's
right. That's true.
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So it was not
difficult for me to move back.
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And when the seasons change,
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there is something
that we can appreciate
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about the difference.
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Definitely.
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Find a jacket,
putting a jacket on,
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just feeling that
little nip in the air.
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But so at Caldwell,
you get those four seasons.
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Yes. That's a good thing.
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But now children, family?
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I have two daughters
and two grandchildren.
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Okay.
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And...
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So you two are
enjoying being the grandfather?
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Yes. Yes. Okay.
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Except they're in Texas
so they're a long ways away.
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Okay. But that's good.
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And you've been in the group...
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You guys travel
and sing together.
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But then let me ask a question,
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about how many people are
in the Oregon Men's Chorus?
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Oh, it depends what the
event is we're preparing for.
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Our festivals usually
have 70 or 80 singers.
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Our mission trips
usually have more like 30 or 40,
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plus those in the
country that we're going to.
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But generally, 50-ish is
a good size of our group,
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50 to 60 will be in
our festivals, yeah.
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Okay, 'cause we go to a
church that only sees 125,
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you don't take 100 guys.
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And the
platforms can't accommodate
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if you're a large group.
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That's true. So you...
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Depending on the arrangement,
like the occasion you do that.
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And, Paul, let me come to Paul.
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Paul would be...
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I say this with total
respect to the two of you,
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the younger of the
three of you today.
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Just barely.
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Barely younger.
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Paul, tell us
about your background.
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I know we found out about
your astrophysicist background,
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and I could
identify with you as a layman
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on the basis of understanding
in the beauty of the heavens.
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Sure.
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But tell us how
did you get exposed
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to the Oregon Men's Chorus...
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Adventists Men's Chorus?
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Well, I was privileged to go
to Portland Adventist Academy,
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they're in Portland.
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And I joined the
corral, and I love to sing.
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And when I got out of there,
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music remained
an interest of mine,
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got involved in church choirs.
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And then I ended up joining
a smaller men's singing group
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called His Praise,
which I'm still a part.
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And back then,
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when the OAMC
had their festivals,
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they'd have like
kind of breakout groups
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where they'd invite
individual smaller groups
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to come up and sing, and
His Praise was one of them.
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And so as a
member of His Praise,
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I ended up being
part of the OAMC that way
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and really my involvement
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with the OAMC
started before then
00:18:02.38\00:18:03.98
when I was just a
listener in the audience.
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I heard a couple of festivals.
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Long time ago, I
helped video one of them.
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And I could remember back then
00:18:14.52\00:18:16.83
that there was something
more than music going on.
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I could sense this
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that this
brotherhood and camaraderie
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just coming off of
the men off the platform,
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and you could
sense that as a listener.
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I don't remember much
of what they're saying
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but I remember that feeling.
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And when I finally
joined the men's chorus,
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it became obvious
to me what that was.
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It was came from the brotherhood
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that was within the group.
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Okay.
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How we support each
other, and pray together,
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and confide in each other,
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and that has been
very important for me.
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Okay.
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So the Oregon
Men's Chorus, David,
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is not just a music group,
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give us some
more dimensions of...
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Well, one of our goals
is to mentor young men.
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When Ben brought men
from the academy where he was,
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it was something we aimed to do.
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We have a Milo Academy in Oregon
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that we have a
relationship with,
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and every year,
we encourage students
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to come up the guys.
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So that is one of our goals.
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And again, not just
have them sing with us
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and lower our average age,
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which certainly they do,
00:19:21.76\00:19:23.22
we want them to know
that the church needs them,
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that they have something
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to contribute to the Lord's work
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even before they
finish their schooling.
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So that's been important to us.
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Okay.
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And then in the group itself,
00:19:32.83\00:19:34.24
not only do we try to
do ministry when we sing,
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but as we
rehearse, the music grips us
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before we sing it
outside to anybody else.
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Okay.
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There are
several songs we've done
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that number of us have talked.
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As we're learning the music,
we can hardly sing the music
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because it's
moving us emotionally.
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Then it has been mentioned,
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we have our worship
times during rehearsals,
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and share prayer requests,
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get together by groups
of three or four and pray,
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there's a great deal of
fellowship that goes on.
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You know, guys
don't usually go off
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or retreat like women may do.
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So this has become our
form of men's ministry.
00:20:04.27\00:20:07.17
Okay.
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We've had guys
share their testimony
00:20:08.60\00:20:09.94
with their group.
00:20:09.97\00:20:11.31
We have one of our members
00:20:11.34\00:20:12.67
just come out of a gay lifestyle
00:20:12.71\00:20:14.04
and shared that with us.
00:20:14.08\00:20:15.41
Another member who has come
from drugs and substance abuse,
00:20:15.44\00:20:18.48
and he shared
his journey with us
00:20:18.51\00:20:20.02
and his struggles with that.
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And guys relate to that
00:20:21.55\00:20:22.88
if they haven't
been through that,
00:20:22.92\00:20:24.29
they still relate
to struggle and growth
00:20:24.32\00:20:25.65
and the Lord's
work in their lives.
00:20:25.69\00:20:27.96
So that ministry
among and within ourselves
00:20:27.99\00:20:30.33
is a very important part
of what we try to accomplish,
00:20:30.36\00:20:33.06
we try to formulate
00:20:33.09\00:20:35.73
our rehearsals
and events with that
00:20:35.76\00:20:37.47
as a key component of that.
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That's interesting
that you pointed out.
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And as a pastor, you
see that on a broader scale.
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Are you primarily
one of the organizers
00:20:46.14\00:20:48.21
of lot of the events
00:20:48.24\00:20:49.68
when it comes to the
mentoring or does it...
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How does it happen?
Let's use an example.
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Well, we try, like
I said in rehearsal,
00:20:54.42\00:20:57.39
Ben wants to get
the most obviously
00:20:57.42\00:20:59.02
that he can on rehearsal time,
00:20:59.05\00:21:00.96
but we set aside not
less than half an hour
00:21:00.99\00:21:03.26
for a little devotional talk,
00:21:03.29\00:21:05.06
sharing a prayer requests,
00:21:05.09\00:21:06.46
getting together
not as a whole group,
00:21:06.49\00:21:08.03
but as I say, three or
four and praying together.
00:21:08.06\00:21:11.00
And it gives guys opportunity
00:21:11.03\00:21:12.37
to share with a
smaller group of people
00:21:12.40\00:21:13.84
what's going on in their
lives, what their needs are.
00:21:13.87\00:21:16.60
And that's been very
important to all of us.
00:21:16.64\00:21:18.51
Okay. So these are...
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There are victories here
that are being won as you...
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Yes.
00:21:21.81\00:21:23.14
In other words,
as you're ministering
00:21:23.18\00:21:24.51
to other people,
exposing them to Christ
00:21:24.55\00:21:26.55
and the Christ of the music,
and the Christ of the song,
00:21:26.58\00:21:29.28
the victories in the
lyrics as you pointed out,
00:21:29.32\00:21:32.22
that sometimes
the lyrics move you
00:21:32.25\00:21:34.96
before it moves anybody else.
00:21:34.99\00:21:36.49
Absolutely.
00:21:36.52\00:21:37.86
And there's a little thing there
00:21:37.89\00:21:39.23
if it doesn't do
anything for you,
00:21:39.26\00:21:40.60
how can you
communicate it to anyone else.
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Amen. Have you
had that experience?
00:21:42.00\00:21:43.37
Oh, I have.
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One of the most
overwhelming experiences
00:21:45.53\00:21:47.24
was on the trip to South Africa,
00:21:47.27\00:21:48.70
standing there
with all those men,
00:21:48.74\00:21:51.17
black, white,
there were Romanians,
00:21:51.21\00:21:54.08
there was a whole...
00:21:54.11\00:21:56.28
Just a plethora of races. Yes.
00:21:56.31\00:21:57.98
And standing
there and we're singing
00:21:58.01\00:22:01.58
"I Then Shall Live."
00:22:01.62\00:22:02.95
Oh, wow!
00:22:02.98\00:22:04.32
And that phrase,
00:22:04.35\00:22:07.56
it still brings
emotion into my life.
00:22:07.59\00:22:10.13
That phrase, "I then shall live
as one that's been forgiven."
00:22:10.16\00:22:15.80
And I just had to quit singing
00:22:15.83\00:22:17.17
because all these men
together were singing this.
00:22:17.20\00:22:21.70
And it was just overwhelming
00:22:21.74\00:22:23.27
and tears started
for me in my eyes,
00:22:23.30\00:22:24.74
and I just could
not continue to see
00:22:24.77\00:22:26.44
because it's like, "Yes,
Lord, I want to live that way."
00:22:26.47\00:22:30.95
And that's why I'm here,
00:22:30.98\00:22:32.35
it's 'cause I want
to share with others
00:22:32.38\00:22:34.25
that they can also live
as one that's been forgiven.
00:22:34.32\00:22:37.39
And so the music...
00:22:37.42\00:22:39.35
As conductor, I
intentionally choose music
00:22:39.39\00:22:43.43
that will reach
the hearts of people.
00:22:43.46\00:22:44.93
We are not a
chorus to entertain,
00:22:44.96\00:22:47.90
we are a chorus
to sing a message.
00:22:47.93\00:22:50.57
That's right.
00:22:50.60\00:22:51.93
And if we just
want to entertain,
00:22:51.97\00:22:56.40
God wouldn't be
keeping us together this long
00:22:56.44\00:22:58.24
I don't believe.
00:22:58.27\00:22:59.61
That's a very important point.
00:22:59.64\00:23:00.98
I'm going to come to
Paul in just a moment here,
00:23:01.01\00:23:03.75
but you make a
very interesting point.
00:23:03.78\00:23:05.11
I know that song
"I Then Shall Live."
00:23:05.15\00:23:07.12
Matter of fact, I was
doing a marriage retreat,
00:23:07.15\00:23:09.22
and at the end of that weekend,
00:23:09.25\00:23:11.45
that was the
song that was chosen.
00:23:11.49\00:23:13.99
And it's
just... It has such a...
00:23:14.06\00:23:17.36
It's a strong message
in each of the verses.
00:23:17.43\00:23:20.20
Yes.
00:23:20.23\00:23:21.56
So then it builds
to this crescendo,
00:23:21.60\00:23:22.93
and I could hear it,
now in my head I'm hearing,
00:23:22.96\00:23:25.50
you know, hundred voices of men.
00:23:25.53\00:23:27.24
And because it has, you know,
the Gaither Vocal Band does it,
00:23:27.27\00:23:30.41
and they sound
like they really stack
00:23:30.44\00:23:32.54
'cause it sounds like
more than just for God.
00:23:32.57\00:23:33.98
Right, right.
00:23:34.01\00:23:35.34
But when you hear
that really resonating...
00:23:35.38\00:23:37.71
Yes.
00:23:37.75\00:23:40.42
And then it takes it up, boy,
00:23:40.45\00:23:41.78
I could tell you that,
that'll be emotionally moving
00:23:41.82\00:23:44.22
because it's a message
in the first and foremost.
00:23:44.29\00:23:46.02
Right.
00:23:46.05\00:23:47.39
It's not just, we
want you to live that way
00:23:47.46\00:23:48.92
but we're saying
that in order for us
00:23:48.96\00:23:51.06
to be a blessing to you,
we have to live that way also.
00:23:51.09\00:23:52.93
Yes, amen.
00:23:52.96\00:23:54.30
That's interesting.
00:23:54.33\00:23:55.66
So the music is moving you
00:23:55.70\00:23:57.57
as you're
preparing to move others.
00:23:57.60\00:23:59.47
So you're going
forth in the armor.
00:23:59.50\00:24:01.60
And if you notice in scripture,
00:24:01.64\00:24:02.97
and I know
you've seen this before,
00:24:03.00\00:24:05.34
in many of the
instances of the Israelites,
00:24:05.37\00:24:08.04
they go into battle singing.
00:24:08.08\00:24:09.54
Yeah.
00:24:09.58\00:24:11.18
It's a precursor,
00:24:11.21\00:24:12.55
and then they come
out of the battles,
00:24:12.58\00:24:13.92
the songs of victory.
00:24:13.95\00:24:15.65
So have you seen that
aspect of your ministry?
00:24:15.68\00:24:20.16
Well, as they said,
00:24:20.19\00:24:21.52
we hear
testimonies from other guys.
00:24:21.56\00:24:23.43
So we know guys among
us, as well as ourselves,
00:24:23.46\00:24:26.39
are singing from
their own experience
00:24:26.43\00:24:28.00
and the gratitude they
feel for what the Lord has done.
00:24:28.03\00:24:31.60
Our earlier ministry to Ukraine,
00:24:31.63\00:24:33.20
they told us about
lives changed, 85 baptisms.
00:24:33.23\00:24:36.10
I mean to have any
part in that at all,
00:24:36.14\00:24:38.37
it's just amazing opportunity.
00:24:38.41\00:24:40.68
Wow!
00:24:40.71\00:24:42.04
Praise God.
00:24:42.08\00:24:44.68
Paul, in this group,
00:24:44.71\00:24:49.65
being the single guy,
00:24:49.68\00:24:52.65
how do you find this
group ministering to you?
00:24:52.69\00:24:56.46
I know both of these gentlemen
are married, grandchildren.
00:24:56.49\00:25:00.93
But as a single man,
00:25:00.96\00:25:02.33
how does the ministry of
this group impact your life?
00:25:02.36\00:25:06.37
Well, it gives me a
sobering look at marriage
00:25:06.40\00:25:09.77
when I hear other
people's stories and...
00:25:09.80\00:25:13.98
Now in a good way,
00:25:14.01\00:25:15.34
it helps me to take it seriously
00:25:15.38\00:25:16.75
and look forward to...
00:25:16.78\00:25:18.11
You know, these
guys are looking back
00:25:18.15\00:25:19.48
on ups and downs
00:25:19.51\00:25:21.22
in their lives
and their marriages.
00:25:21.25\00:25:23.89
It encourages me to,
00:25:23.92\00:25:25.69
"Okay, when it's
in God's will for me
00:25:25.72\00:25:29.62
to go down that road,
00:25:29.66\00:25:30.99
I'll maybe learn
some of these lessons."
00:25:31.03\00:25:34.86
Well, that's true.
00:25:34.90\00:25:36.23
And I hope you
both are good witness
00:25:36.26\00:25:37.63
to him in that respect
00:25:37.67\00:25:39.00
because it
sounds a little ominous,
00:25:39.03\00:25:40.64
he thinks that marriage is
an ominous experience, like,
00:25:40.67\00:25:43.34
"Do I have to do this?"
00:25:43.41\00:25:44.74
But...
00:25:44.77\00:25:46.11
It's the best thing
that happened to me.
00:25:46.14\00:25:47.48
Exactly.
00:25:47.51\00:25:48.84
And I must say, after
many years of marriage,
00:25:48.88\00:25:50.38
praise the Lord, I
wouldn't be who I am today
00:25:50.45\00:25:53.05
if I didn't
have the wife I have.
00:25:53.08\00:25:54.95
I know and there are many of you
00:25:54.98\00:25:56.45
that share the same experience.
00:25:56.48\00:25:58.72
But now the music
wise because how...
00:25:58.75\00:26:01.79
Are you all...
00:26:01.82\00:26:03.16
Let me just ask
this other question.
00:26:03.19\00:26:04.63
How many of you go
to the same church?
00:26:04.66\00:26:07.83
Paul and I do.
00:26:07.86\00:26:09.20
Okay, you and Paul do.
00:26:09.23\00:26:10.67
So then you have an opportunity
to minister at your church
00:26:10.70\00:26:13.74
on a more
continuous basis in music.
00:26:13.77\00:26:17.44
Do you sing locally?
00:26:17.51\00:26:20.21
Yeah.
00:26:20.28\00:26:21.64
His Praise is a
more local group,
00:26:21.68\00:26:23.35
that smaller
group I'm a part of.
00:26:23.38\00:26:27.42
I'm involved in a music group,
our praise team at the church,
00:26:27.45\00:26:31.52
at Sunnyside church.
00:26:31.55\00:26:32.89
So yeah,
00:26:32.92\00:26:34.26
I love to take
music wherever I go.
00:26:34.29\00:26:35.99
Okay.
00:26:36.02\00:26:37.53
And, David, at that local level,
00:26:37.56\00:26:39.16
he mentioned the
group His Praise,
00:26:39.19\00:26:41.00
is that a quartet or...
00:26:41.03\00:26:42.90
No, it's a men's chorus
00:26:42.93\00:26:44.27
based in Vancouver
and Portland area, yeah.
00:26:44.30\00:26:48.07
You brought a
video with you today.
00:26:48.10\00:26:50.11
Tell me what this video is about
00:26:50.14\00:26:52.04
before we let our audience...
00:26:52.07\00:26:54.01
The one I think is
probably about our ministry
00:26:54.08\00:26:56.34
in Romania in 2009,
it's made from that.
00:26:56.38\00:26:59.31
Okay.
00:26:59.35\00:27:00.72
Introduce the
people there whatnot.
00:27:00.75\00:27:02.38
And if I'm
understanding correctly,
00:27:02.42\00:27:03.79
your background is Romanian.
00:27:03.82\00:27:05.32
Yeah, it is.
00:27:05.35\00:27:06.69
Well, okay.
00:27:06.76\00:27:08.09
So let's take a look at
this, and then we'll go back
00:27:08.12\00:27:09.46
and make some
comments on the other side.
00:27:09.49\00:27:11.03
Thank you so
much for that video.
00:30:05.17\00:30:06.53
I want to just kind of
recap what we just saw, David.
00:30:06.57\00:30:12.27
Obviously, it was
in a foreign language.
00:30:12.31\00:30:14.11
But I know our viewers
00:30:14.18\00:30:15.51
were able to
follow the caption below.
00:30:15.54\00:30:17.88
Tell us about that
trip that you were on.
00:30:17.91\00:30:20.15
That came from our
trip to Ukraine in 2017.
00:30:20.22\00:30:23.59
And the one speaking was
the president of the union
00:30:23.62\00:30:25.85
of that portion of Ukraine.
00:30:25.89\00:30:29.36
Since we don't
solicit mission trips,
00:30:29.39\00:30:31.63
we would be fine
singing in Oregon,
00:30:31.66\00:30:34.03
in the United States.
00:30:34.10\00:30:35.73
But we've gotten
requests from Romania,
00:30:35.76\00:30:37.90
twice for South
Africa, and then for Ukraine.
00:30:37.93\00:30:42.10
So when we get an invitation,
00:30:42.14\00:30:43.91
we accept that assuming
it's coming from the Lord,
00:30:43.94\00:30:46.88
they don't have any reason
to bring us over on their own.
00:30:46.91\00:30:49.74
So we get as much information
and details as we can.
00:30:49.78\00:30:53.72
In Ukraine, we had
a terrific team there
00:30:53.75\00:30:56.35
doing the logistics
and making the plans
00:30:56.38\00:30:57.99
of exactly where we would go.
00:30:58.02\00:30:59.49
We send an advanced team over
00:30:59.52\00:31:01.09
to help select
venues and whatnot.
00:31:01.12\00:31:04.03
But when that
begins to solidify,
00:31:04.06\00:31:06.13
then we see the Lord's hand
putting the pieces together.
00:31:06.16\00:31:09.53
And if we get a
serious invitation like that,
00:31:09.56\00:31:11.47
if it's enough in the
future where we can plan,
00:31:11.50\00:31:13.64
provide forth, and
we try to do those.
00:31:13.67\00:31:17.01
How many guys
went over with you?
00:31:17.04\00:31:18.77
Twenty-nine was
all from our chorus.
00:31:18.81\00:31:22.04
But then we were
joined by 50 men in Ukraine,
00:31:22.08\00:31:24.41
another 10 or so from Romania.
00:31:24.45\00:31:26.48
Okay.
00:31:26.51\00:31:27.85
So we had a chorus of 75
or 80 something like that,
00:31:27.88\00:31:30.39
plus an orchestra.
00:31:30.42\00:31:31.75
Now that must be interesting
00:31:31.79\00:31:33.12
because what happens
is you're taking those
00:31:33.15\00:31:34.49
who speak English and
those who speak Romanian.
00:31:34.52\00:31:38.46
Well, and their music is...
00:31:38.49\00:31:39.93
Ben could tell you more,
00:31:40.00\00:31:41.33
their music is very different
from ours, plus the language.
00:31:41.36\00:31:44.60
So we take their
language, put it into phonetics
00:31:44.63\00:31:47.64
and write the
phonetics in our language
00:31:47.67\00:31:49.07
so we actually can
sing in Ukrainian sort of.
00:31:49.10\00:31:51.11
Okay.
00:31:51.14\00:31:52.47
They take our English songs,
00:31:52.51\00:31:53.98
put it into
phonetics for Ukrainian,
00:31:54.01\00:31:55.64
so we're singing...
00:31:55.68\00:31:57.15
We sing probably
three or four in Ukrainian
00:31:57.18\00:31:59.25
and the rest they have to
learn to do it in English.
00:31:59.28\00:32:01.92
So it's a
wonderful mixture that we do.
00:32:01.95\00:32:04.19
So this is not the Bible,
00:32:04.22\00:32:05.55
but you guys
were singing in tone.
00:32:05.59\00:32:06.99
Yes. Yeah.
00:32:07.06\00:32:08.39
And the Holy
Spirit is helping them
00:32:08.42\00:32:10.53
with our English and
helping us with their Ukrainian.
00:32:10.56\00:32:13.13
It's a great, great experience.
00:32:13.16\00:32:14.56
Ben, as a director tell
us about that experience.
00:32:14.60\00:32:16.70
It was pretty impressive
to pull in to these towns
00:32:16.77\00:32:19.33
with three huge buses
00:32:19.37\00:32:21.37
and, you know, all of that.
00:32:21.40\00:32:25.37
It was an incredible experience
to many in the orchestra
00:32:25.41\00:32:30.25
were not even Christians,
00:32:30.28\00:32:32.31
but they were hired to play.
00:32:32.35\00:32:33.72
And of course, you know,
00:32:33.75\00:32:35.08
you do whatever gig you can find
00:32:35.12\00:32:36.45
as an instrumentalist, you know.
00:32:36.48\00:32:37.99
And so they were hired to travel
00:32:38.02\00:32:39.79
and do this tour with us.
00:32:39.82\00:32:41.52
And the interaction and bonding
between them and the chorus,
00:32:41.56\00:32:47.23
all of that was
incredible to see.
00:32:47.30\00:32:51.07
The challenge I faced was
00:32:51.10\00:32:53.64
every instruction
I gave to the chorus
00:32:53.67\00:32:56.37
had to be translated twice.
00:32:56.40\00:32:58.91
So it had to be
translated into Romania
00:32:58.94\00:33:00.38
and had to be
translated into Ukrainian.
00:33:00.41\00:33:02.28
So that obviously took
more time and patience.
00:33:02.31\00:33:07.45
But to me, the
greatest experience
00:33:07.52\00:33:09.42
was in one of the towns,
00:33:09.45\00:33:11.52
and I don't
remember the name of it.
00:33:11.55\00:33:14.56
The mayor of the town
did not want us to come.
00:33:14.59\00:33:16.52
Mariupol'. Okay.
00:33:16.56\00:33:18.49
What was the town? Mariupol'.
00:33:18.53\00:33:20.03
Mariupol'.
00:33:20.10\00:33:21.43
And she did not want us to come,
00:33:21.46\00:33:22.80
and so she had not shut us down
00:33:22.83\00:33:24.33
but in front of
the concert venue,
00:33:24.37\00:33:26.74
she had staged a festival day
00:33:26.77\00:33:30.34
with a very well
known Ukrainian pop star
00:33:30.41\00:33:34.34
to do a concert
00:33:34.38\00:33:35.94
at the same time our
concert was supposed to be done.
00:33:35.98\00:33:38.78
And her stage was set up
00:33:38.81\00:33:40.32
right at the
front of the building
00:33:40.35\00:33:42.28
where the people would come in.
00:33:42.32\00:33:43.69
Unbelievable.
00:33:43.72\00:33:45.05
And yet the
workings of the Lord,
00:33:45.09\00:33:49.39
we had to turn people away,
00:33:49.42\00:33:51.23
it was standing room only,
00:33:51.26\00:33:52.59
and we had to turn people away,
00:33:52.63\00:33:54.53
even while the rock
concert was going on outside
00:33:54.56\00:33:56.80
or the pop concert
was going on outside.
00:33:56.87\00:33:58.53
Wow.
00:33:58.57\00:33:59.90
And it was really an
incredible experience
00:33:59.93\00:34:03.10
to see the Lord
work in such a mighty way
00:34:03.14\00:34:06.04
and people to...
00:34:06.07\00:34:07.51
Many of them
introduced to Christianity
00:34:07.58\00:34:11.55
through our concerts.
00:34:11.58\00:34:13.05
I was only...
00:34:13.08\00:34:14.42
I'm thinking about that,
00:34:14.45\00:34:15.78
and I remember the
phrase in the Bible,
00:34:15.82\00:34:17.19
the Apostle Paul says,
00:34:17.22\00:34:18.55
"You can do
nothing against the truth
00:34:18.59\00:34:20.26
only for the truth."
00:34:20.29\00:34:21.62
Yes.
00:34:21.66\00:34:22.99
So when the Lord
establishes something...
00:34:23.02\00:34:24.36
She actually gave
you guys free advertised.
00:34:24.39\00:34:25.76
That's right. That's right.
00:34:25.79\00:34:27.33
She set up a venue
right in front of the building
00:34:27.40\00:34:29.70
and the people...
00:34:29.73\00:34:31.07
There are probably
some people that came,
00:34:31.10\00:34:33.34
"You know, let's
go over here instead"
00:34:33.37\00:34:35.17
and you have that outside crowd.
00:34:35.20\00:34:37.97
Paul, tell us about that
00:34:38.01\00:34:39.34
because this is
now your language.
00:34:39.37\00:34:42.54
Close, I'm Romanian,
and that was in Ukraine.
00:34:42.58\00:34:45.18
Okay.
00:34:45.21\00:34:46.55
And the language is
like completely different.
00:34:46.58\00:34:48.05
Okay.
00:34:48.08\00:34:49.75
However, that experience
was very special to me.
00:34:49.78\00:34:52.35
I was completely naive.
00:34:52.39\00:34:54.42
I was just walking
in the line with guys.
00:34:54.46\00:34:56.62
"Oh, look, a concert.
00:34:56.66\00:34:57.99
Oh, look, guys are
in military uniform."
00:34:58.03\00:35:00.30
"Okay, let's just do our thing."
00:35:00.33\00:35:02.63
We showed up, did our
thing, came out, I was hungry,
00:35:02.66\00:35:05.90
let's go home,
sitting on the bus.
00:35:05.93\00:35:08.04
And here our
organizer gets up on the bus,
00:35:08.07\00:35:10.81
you know, the local man
there who was helping us.
00:35:10.84\00:35:14.34
Absolutely ecstatic, you know,
00:35:14.38\00:35:16.51
spattering stuff out we
couldn't understand him,
00:35:16.54\00:35:18.65
somebody translated.
00:35:18.68\00:35:20.72
Basically, he was saying
00:35:20.75\00:35:22.08
that he was told
there was no chance
00:35:22.12\00:35:24.95
he could have any
success in this town
00:35:24.99\00:35:28.09
and that he has
just seen a miracle
00:35:28.12\00:35:29.49
with his own eyes.
00:35:29.52\00:35:31.89
The neat thing about
that, apparently, in Ukraine,
00:35:31.93\00:35:35.46
the Orthodox
Church is very strong
00:35:35.50\00:35:37.37
and if you're not orthodox,
00:35:37.40\00:35:38.73
they picture you
as hardly Christian,
00:35:38.77\00:35:40.64
whether you're
Adventist, or Baptist,
00:35:40.67\00:35:42.00
or Lutheran, or whatever.
00:35:42.04\00:35:43.74
And they said when
we got back, the tour,
00:35:43.81\00:35:47.18
the Lord used
another way to raise
00:35:47.21\00:35:48.54
not only the public perception
of Seventh-day Adventists,
00:35:48.58\00:35:50.98
but also Christianity in general
00:35:51.01\00:35:53.11
which was a neat thing.
00:35:53.15\00:35:54.48
We had no way of working
out, but the Lord worked it out.
00:35:54.52\00:35:57.69
It's just smoother way
to improve the perception
00:35:57.72\00:36:00.16
of the public of
Christianity in general,
00:36:00.19\00:36:02.66
you didn't have to be orthodox
for them to think well of you.
00:36:02.69\00:36:05.96
And that's
amazing because we know
00:36:05.99\00:36:07.73
in the Eastern Bloc nations,
00:36:07.76\00:36:09.63
you know, the Orthodox Church,
00:36:09.66\00:36:11.60
whether it's Russian
Orthodox or whatever nation
00:36:11.63\00:36:15.40
that orthodox
faith is established in,
00:36:15.44\00:36:17.41
it's a bulwark, you know,
00:36:17.44\00:36:19.17
you're coming in
a wall in reality,
00:36:19.21\00:36:22.44
and they protect their territory
00:36:22.48\00:36:25.28
very, very well
not wanting anybody.
00:36:25.31\00:36:28.28
And give us some
more insight into that
00:36:28.32\00:36:30.19
because I'm making reference
00:36:30.22\00:36:31.69
to something that's
part of your experience.
00:36:31.72\00:36:35.26
I was born in the United States.
00:36:35.29\00:36:37.33
Okay.
00:36:37.36\00:36:38.69
So I've only heard stories.
00:36:38.73\00:36:40.60
But the bigotry
can be very strong.
00:36:40.63\00:36:44.97
I heard a story...
00:36:48.54\00:36:50.31
A pastor I met in Florida
00:36:50.34\00:36:52.31
came from that part of the world
00:36:52.34\00:36:53.68
that he said he was working
00:36:53.71\00:36:55.24
in an area where
the local priest,
00:36:55.28\00:36:58.51
orthodox priest
told his parishioners,
00:36:58.55\00:37:01.85
it's okay for you to
throw rocks at this pastor,
00:37:01.88\00:37:04.35
this Adventist pastor.
00:37:04.39\00:37:08.32
Not saying they're all
like that of course but...
00:37:08.36\00:37:09.92
Right.
00:37:09.96\00:37:11.33
Now that's just a level
of some of what they face.
00:37:11.36\00:37:13.19
Yeah.
00:37:13.23\00:37:14.56
Wow, wow.
00:37:14.60\00:37:15.93
But then you went
over there singing
00:37:15.96\00:37:17.30
in practically
three different languages,
00:37:17.37\00:37:20.64
in fact, English and...
00:37:20.67\00:37:23.04
Ukrainian.
00:37:23.07\00:37:24.41
Ukrainian and...
00:37:24.44\00:37:25.77
Didn't we do one
song in Romanian?
00:37:25.81\00:37:28.68
I don't know.
00:37:28.71\00:37:30.05
No, I don't think
we did on this trip.
00:37:30.08\00:37:31.41
But at least in two languages,
00:37:31.45\00:37:32.98
they're learning your language,
you're learning their language.
00:37:33.01\00:37:35.15
But it's interesting.
00:37:35.18\00:37:36.52
One of the reasons I think
that the Lord puts us together
00:37:36.55\00:37:38.42
in particularly in Ukraine,
00:37:38.45\00:37:41.26
they view us of
course as rich Americans.
00:37:41.29\00:37:43.86
They have no idea
00:37:43.93\00:37:45.26
how hard our guys
work to raise money.
00:37:45.29\00:37:47.40
A lot of our guys don't go
00:37:47.43\00:37:48.76
'cause they simply
can't raise the funds.
00:37:48.80\00:37:50.57
But over the
years, we've had people
00:37:50.60\00:37:52.43
travel several hundred miles
00:37:52.47\00:37:53.84
and bring back a
trailer full of boxes of apples,
00:37:53.87\00:37:56.50
sell apples to raise money.
00:37:56.54\00:37:59.07
People sold motorcycles,
00:37:59.11\00:38:00.61
they've contacted
their relatives and say,
00:38:00.68\00:38:02.01
"When my birthday
and Christmas comes,
00:38:02.04\00:38:03.58
please give me a present
of cash instead of a gift."
00:38:03.65\00:38:06.95
And they work very
hard to raise the money.
00:38:07.02\00:38:09.65
We have one, what I
would call major donor,
00:38:09.68\00:38:12.42
but the rest of the guys
do their very hardest work.
00:38:12.45\00:38:15.12
But our American
dollar goes farther
00:38:15.16\00:38:18.56
in some of those countries.
00:38:18.59\00:38:19.93
In Ukraine, the trip
wouldn't have happened
00:38:20.00\00:38:22.36
if we hadn't been able to go
00:38:22.40\00:38:24.17
because we funded the
transportation, the buses,
00:38:24.20\00:38:28.00
the food, the
lodging, and the orchestra.
00:38:28.04\00:38:31.27
And not that it's easy for
us either because it isn't.
00:38:31.31\00:38:33.91
But still the Lord used
American contributions and all
00:38:33.98\00:38:37.45
so that the tour could happen.
00:38:37.48\00:38:39.31
I think I mentioned there
were 85 baptisms out of that
00:38:39.35\00:38:42.05
because our tour was in cities
00:38:42.08\00:38:44.62
that would follow
with Bible studies
00:38:44.65\00:38:46.62
and evangelistic meetings
00:38:46.65\00:38:47.99
to try and raise
an interest for that
00:38:48.02\00:38:49.36
which the Lord used it to do.
00:38:49.39\00:38:51.36
So 85 baptisms just financially,
00:38:51.39\00:38:56.70
you know, the tour
wouldn't have happened
00:38:56.77\00:38:58.33
without the Lord
using us to go over there.
00:38:58.37\00:39:00.67
Wow.
00:39:00.74\00:39:02.07
So we scrimped and
saved like anybody would
00:39:02.10\00:39:03.51
but at least
they're wonderful results
00:39:03.54\00:39:04.91
that the Lord
makes out of that effort.
00:39:04.94\00:39:06.98
Was it on one of
these trips that the song
00:39:07.01\00:39:08.94
"I Then Shall Live" was born?
00:39:08.98\00:39:12.15
Oh, it was sung in
Romania I think first...
00:39:12.18\00:39:14.72
I don't know that we
did that in Ukraine but...
00:39:14.75\00:39:16.69
We didn't do it in Ukraine,
we did it in South Africa.
00:39:16.72\00:39:18.62
In South Africa? Yeah.
00:39:18.65\00:39:20.06
And that's an amazing experience
00:39:20.09\00:39:21.79
that I want to be able to
share with our viewing audience.
00:39:21.82\00:39:25.03
"I Then Shall Live"
00:39:25.06\00:39:26.39
we talked about it
earlier in the program,
00:39:26.43\00:39:28.56
but we're going
to roll a video here
00:39:28.60\00:39:30.47
to let you see the
power in that song,
00:39:30.50\00:39:33.84
a song that talks about
not only the commitments
00:39:33.87\00:39:36.47
that we have as
individuals to the gospel
00:39:36.50\00:39:38.54
to representing Christ,
00:39:38.57\00:39:40.61
but what we're
also trying to activate
00:39:40.68\00:39:42.28
in the lives of those
00:39:42.31\00:39:43.95
who are listening
to the message in song.
00:39:43.98\00:39:46.48
Amen. Sit back and enjoy.
00:39:46.51\00:39:48.05
Were you blessed by that song?
00:45:55.82\00:45:57.62
Can you say amen? Amen.
00:45:57.65\00:45:58.99
Amen. "I Then Shall Live."
00:45:59.02\00:46:01.26
When I first heard that
song a number of years ago,
00:46:01.29\00:46:04.03
I sang it as a solo
at a spiritual retreat.
00:46:04.06\00:46:08.03
My wife and I did a
couple retreat for a weekend,
00:46:08.06\00:46:10.77
I was invited by
another conference to do that.
00:46:10.80\00:46:13.54
But then to hear it
with how many voices?
00:46:13.57\00:46:16.27
Probably 100 in there.
00:46:16.30\00:46:17.64
Okay.
00:46:17.67\00:46:19.01
To sing, and
you're singing there,
00:46:19.04\00:46:20.58
I think you
suggested or described
00:46:20.61\00:46:23.21
how when you heard
that song a while ago,
00:46:23.24\00:46:25.98
it just paused you as
the director to realize
00:46:26.01\00:46:29.25
that this is not only a
song that was being sung
00:46:29.28\00:46:31.12
but your own experience.
00:46:31.15\00:46:33.09
Right.
00:46:33.12\00:46:34.46
Now, David, what I want to talk
00:46:34.49\00:46:35.82
about in our time remaining is
00:46:35.86\00:46:38.09
you alluded to the fact
that you do mission trips,
00:46:38.13\00:46:40.53
but only as the
Lord opens the doors,
00:46:40.60\00:46:43.47
and secondly, only as
the funds are available.
00:46:43.50\00:46:47.04
Let's talk about
these mission trips
00:46:47.07\00:46:50.81
and how important it is
00:46:50.84\00:46:52.61
as you look to the
projects coming up.
00:46:52.64\00:46:54.08
What's down the road?
00:46:54.11\00:46:55.74
Well, the next
one, we have it planned,
00:46:55.78\00:46:57.81
Lord has opened the way
for us to return to Ukraine.
00:46:57.85\00:46:59.75
Okay.
00:46:59.78\00:47:01.12
When we went before in 2017,
00:47:01.15\00:47:02.55
it was the eastern part,
very close to the conflict area
00:47:02.58\00:47:05.52
that was still going on.
00:47:05.55\00:47:07.19
This next time in June of 2020,
00:47:07.26\00:47:10.43
it will be to the
western part of Ukraine,
00:47:10.46\00:47:12.49
they've asked us to go back.
00:47:12.53\00:47:14.30
We have not
been eager to do that
00:47:14.33\00:47:15.83
in a sense of the
stresses of fundraising.
00:47:15.86\00:47:18.40
Now each of these
trips costs each participant
00:47:18.43\00:47:20.84
approximately $3,500.
00:47:20.87\00:47:22.40
Wow!
00:47:22.44\00:47:23.81
So it's not like their way
is paid to get away and go,
00:47:23.84\00:47:25.17
they lose time from
work, time from their families,
00:47:25.21\00:47:27.61
it's quite a commitment.
00:47:27.64\00:47:29.71
So like as I said,
they sell some things,
00:47:29.74\00:47:31.95
they try to save up,
00:47:31.98\00:47:36.15
we go because Lord convicts us
00:47:36.18\00:47:37.89
that He wants us to
go, and it's amazing.
00:47:37.92\00:47:40.26
I could tell you
00:47:40.29\00:47:41.62
how He stretches
the funds that we take,
00:47:41.66\00:47:42.99
and we bring back some
that we thought we would use.
00:47:43.02\00:47:45.16
It's just amazing what He does.
00:47:45.19\00:47:47.43
But there is address
on the screen that...
00:47:47.50\00:47:51.33
We'll give that at
the end of the program.
00:47:51.37\00:47:53.00
You can go to our website,
there's a donate button,
00:47:53.03\00:47:55.64
there's a post office box,
00:47:55.67\00:47:57.01
they can use an
old-fashioned envelope
00:47:57.04\00:47:58.41
and that sort of thing
00:47:58.44\00:47:59.77
if the Lord
wills them to do that.
00:47:59.81\00:48:01.28
I know your
viewers have supported
00:48:01.31\00:48:02.71
a lot of different ministries,
00:48:02.74\00:48:04.08
we're not the only one
on the face of the Earth.
00:48:04.15\00:48:06.41
But where the
Lord asks us to go,
00:48:06.45\00:48:07.85
we do our very best to go.
00:48:07.88\00:48:09.28
I personally would be happy
00:48:09.32\00:48:10.69
if we did have
another mission trip.
00:48:10.72\00:48:12.05
We're traveling
with 90 or 100 people,
00:48:12.09\00:48:14.26
it's quite an expense.
00:48:14.29\00:48:15.96
It is exhausting. Exhausting.
00:48:15.99\00:48:17.93
But when you come back,
you have stories to tell
00:48:17.96\00:48:20.00
that resonate for
many, many new lives.
00:48:20.03\00:48:21.36
And then you
see the Lord working
00:48:21.40\00:48:23.13
in ways you know
maybe normally observe.
00:48:23.16\00:48:25.40
That's right.
00:48:25.43\00:48:26.77
When we were in South Africa,
00:48:26.84\00:48:28.17
one of the
African men mentioned,
00:48:28.20\00:48:29.90
he said "I thought I
was in the wrong church
00:48:29.94\00:48:32.01
because when I
participate in music,
00:48:32.04\00:48:33.71
I get very emotional."
00:48:33.78\00:48:35.11
He said, "Look around
00:48:35.14\00:48:36.48
and my wife, brother, and sister
00:48:36.51\00:48:37.85
didn't seem to touch them.
00:48:37.88\00:48:39.21
But then you guys come over
00:48:39.25\00:48:40.58
and you're
crying just like I am,
00:48:40.62\00:48:41.95
and reaching for
your tissue just like...
00:48:41.98\00:48:43.32
Maybe in the
right place after all.
00:48:43.35\00:48:44.69
Wow!
00:48:44.72\00:48:46.05
So just the Lord
has done in our lives
00:48:46.09\00:48:47.42
and other lives
where He's taken us
00:48:47.46\00:48:48.79
some really,
really important things
00:48:48.82\00:48:50.16
that we observed,
00:48:50.19\00:48:51.53
and it's fun to
be a part of that.
00:48:51.56\00:48:53.40
And if the Lord moves people
to support that by prayer,
00:48:53.43\00:48:55.96
certainly even
more than financially,
00:48:56.00\00:48:58.00
it's very, very important.
00:48:58.03\00:48:59.37
And tell us about
people that are interested
00:48:59.40\00:49:02.34
'cause they may be individuals
00:49:02.37\00:49:04.01
that are living in the
Boise, Idaho, Oregon area,
00:49:04.04\00:49:07.78
California, or may, say,
00:49:07.81\00:49:09.54
I don't live anywhere near that,
00:49:09.58\00:49:10.95
but I am interested in coming
00:49:10.98\00:49:13.18
and being a part
of a group like this.
00:49:13.21\00:49:14.55
How do they do that?
00:49:14.58\00:49:15.92
They can contact
us through our website
00:49:15.95\00:49:17.29
or the mailing
address, it's there.
00:49:17.32\00:49:18.72
We send...
00:49:18.75\00:49:20.09
We make a rehearsal CD
every year of the music
00:49:20.16\00:49:22.02
that we're going to be doing.
00:49:22.06\00:49:23.43
We can send them
that rehearsal CD by link,
00:49:23.46\00:49:26.16
by computer, we
send them the music
00:49:26.19\00:49:27.93
and they can practice at home.
00:49:27.96\00:49:29.66
They really only need
to come to what six or...
00:49:29.70\00:49:31.87
No, how many?
00:49:31.90\00:49:33.94
Well, as many of the
rehearsals as they can
00:49:33.97\00:49:36.27
unless they're really,
00:49:36.30\00:49:38.57
you know, trained in
an experience singers.
00:49:38.61\00:49:41.58
Right.
00:49:41.61\00:49:42.94
Do you have to be
able to read music
00:49:42.98\00:49:44.31
to be a part of this group?
00:49:44.35\00:49:45.68
No, you don't.
00:49:45.71\00:49:47.05
You don't even
have to be able to sing.
00:49:47.12\00:49:48.45
Okay.
00:49:48.48\00:49:49.82
Well, that's not what I heard.
00:49:49.85\00:49:51.19
This is open to
anyone who wants to join.
00:49:51.22\00:49:53.86
Okay. Yes.
00:49:53.89\00:49:55.76
Because the
ministry is not just singing.
00:49:55.79\00:49:58.73
Right.
00:49:58.76\00:50:00.10
They will find out that
if you do your very best,
00:50:00.13\00:50:02.10
the Lord will bless
that, and that's enough.
00:50:02.13\00:50:03.97
He takes that and
just expands on it,
00:50:04.00\00:50:06.17
you know, He expands
it and makes it beautiful.
00:50:06.20\00:50:08.97
What are you thinking, Paul?
00:50:09.00\00:50:10.34
I'm looking at you
over there smiling.
00:50:10.41\00:50:12.34
Well, God has
helped us out a lot.
00:50:12.37\00:50:16.64
We have joked two times,
00:50:16.68\00:50:18.01
you have to be
able to fog a mirror.
00:50:18.05\00:50:19.41
And if you can fog a mirror,
the Lord can do the rest.
00:50:19.45\00:50:21.38
Yes.
00:50:21.42\00:50:22.75
If you can fog a
mirror. You have some CDs.
00:50:22.78\00:50:25.42
Now, they're not
available on your website,
00:50:25.45\00:50:26.96
but talk about some
of the CDs that you have.
00:50:26.99\00:50:28.82
Well, most of our CDs
were done some time ago.
00:50:28.86\00:50:31.73
But we can probably find one,
00:50:31.76\00:50:33.29
and we have a few we
could send out to people
00:50:33.33\00:50:35.13
or give them other ways to hear.
00:50:35.16\00:50:36.80
Okay.
00:50:36.87\00:50:38.37
We probably will
be making new ones
00:50:38.40\00:50:40.04
of live
performances in the future.
00:50:40.07\00:50:42.00
Okay.
00:50:42.04\00:50:43.41
And I think that if
you go to their website,
00:50:43.44\00:50:45.21
which we'll give you that
information in just a minute,
00:50:45.24\00:50:47.58
you'll find that there's a way
00:50:47.61\00:50:48.94
to get in touch
with this ministry,
00:50:48.98\00:50:50.85
the Oregon
Adventist Men's Chorus.
00:50:50.88\00:50:53.31
David, being a former pastor,
00:50:53.35\00:50:55.58
you're never not
a pastor by the way,
00:50:55.62\00:50:57.19
I just want you to know that.
00:50:57.22\00:50:58.55
When you go on the road,
00:50:58.59\00:50:59.92
I know many men
are looking to you,
00:50:59.95\00:51:01.29
"Pastor Schmidt, what do we do?"
00:51:01.32\00:51:03.36
And you have that
great responsibility.
00:51:03.43\00:51:06.03
And then our chorus...
00:51:06.06\00:51:08.66
Let me not use the wrong term.
00:51:08.70\00:51:10.20
Conductor. Conductor.
00:51:10.27\00:51:12.40
And you teach music? Yes.
00:51:12.43\00:51:13.77
Okay.
00:51:13.84\00:51:15.17
And then whenever you
are out on the planes,
00:51:15.20\00:51:18.51
where there's no lights.
00:51:18.54\00:51:22.21
Paul, the
astrophysicist kicks in.
00:51:22.24\00:51:24.41
Yeah.
00:51:24.45\00:51:25.78
And says the
heavens declare the glory.
00:51:25.81\00:51:27.15
Amen. That's right.
00:51:27.22\00:51:28.55
Then the
firmament shows handiwork.
00:51:28.58\00:51:30.89
We're going to
give you the information
00:51:30.92\00:51:32.25
that you need to get in touch
00:51:32.29\00:51:33.66
with the Oregon
Adventist Men's Chorus,
00:51:33.69\00:51:35.79
and here it is, and
after this address roll,
00:51:35.82\00:51:38.69
we'll come back with
a few closing thoughts
00:51:38.73\00:51:41.33
following our newsbreak.
00:51:41.36\00:51:45.70
If you would like to
support the outreach ministry
00:51:45.73\00:51:48.34
of the Oregon Adventist
Men's Choir around the world,
00:51:48.37\00:51:51.54
you can visit their website
00:51:51.57\00:51:53.48
OAMCMinistry.org.
00:51:53.51\00:51:57.68
That's OAMCMinistry.org.
00:51:57.71\00:52:02.85
Or write down at PO Box 216,
00:52:02.88\00:52:06.59
Gladstone, Oregon, 97027.
00:52:06.62\00:52:11.33
Post Office Box 216,
00:52:11.36\00:52:13.93
Gladstone, Oregon, 97027.
00:52:14.00\00:52:17.83