I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hi, and welcome to
another 3ABN Today program.
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I'm Jason Bradley,
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and today we're
going to be talking about
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Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries.
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And I'm excited to
jump in that topic,
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but before I introduce my guest,
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I wanna share a
scripture with you
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and it comes from
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Matthew 25:34-40, it says,
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"Then the king will say
to those on His right hand,
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'Come, you blessed of My Father,
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inherit the
kingdom prepared for you
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from the
foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry
and you gave Me food,
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I was thirty and
you gave Me drink,
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I was a stranger
and you took Me in,
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I was naked and you clothed Me,
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I was sick and you visited Me,
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I was in prison
and you came to Me.'
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Then the righteous
will answer Him saying,
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'Lord, when did we see
You hungry and feed You,
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or thirsty and gave You drink?
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When did we see You a
stranger and take You in,
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or naked and clothe You?
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Or when did we see You sick
or in prison and come to You?'
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And the King will
answer and say to them,
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'Assuredly I say to
you, in as much you did it
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to one of the least
of these my brethren,
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you did it to Me.'
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" I'm so excited to be
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talking about prison ministries,
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and here with me to discuss
this topic is Larry Barker
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and he is the Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries'
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regional director
in South Carolina.
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And Bill Morgan,
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he is the Carolina Conference
Prison Ministries volunteer.
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Welcome to 3ABN Today.
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I can't reach over there to you,
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but it's great to
have you guys here.
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Thank you. Thank
you, I appreciate it.
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No problem.
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And I want to...
I would like to...
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One thing that like to do is,
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is find out
about your background
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and your story, and you know,
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why you are so
passionate about the ministry?
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But before we
jump into all of that,
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I want to go to our
song, we gonna be blessed
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in song by Tammy
Chance who's singing
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"Because of Who You Are."
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You spoke the
words and all the worlds
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came into order
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You raised Your hands
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And planets
filled the empty skies
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You placed the woman and
the man inside the garden
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And though they fell
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They found
compassion in Your eyes
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Oh, Lord, I stand
amazed at the wonder of it all
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Yet a greater wonder
brings me to my knees
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Lord, I praise you
because of who You are
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Not for all the mighty
deeds that You have done
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Lord I worship You
because of who You are
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You're all the reason
that I need to voice my praise
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Because of who You are
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One holy night
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You sent your
promise from a virgin
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And promise grew till he
revealed to us your heart
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Enduring love displayed
throughout Your Crucifixion
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And through Your death
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You tore the
dark and grave apart
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Oh, Lord, I stand amazed
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At the wonder of it all
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Yet a greater wonder
brings me to my knees
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Lord, I praise You
because of who You are
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Not for all the mighty
deeds that You have done
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Lord, I worship You
because of who You are
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You're all the reason
that I need to voice my praise
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Lord, I praise You
because of who You are
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Not for all the mighty
deeds that You have done
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Lord, I worship You
because of who You are
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You're all the reason
that I need to voice my praise
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Because of who You are
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Amen, "Because of Who You are,"
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what a beautiful song.
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Amen.
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I'm ready to jump
into this interview.
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Okay.
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I'm ready to jump in,
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but I wanna go
into your testimony.
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Okay.
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So tell us a little
bit about, you know,
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how you got
involved in prison ministry
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and your background?
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I was raised as a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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Okay.
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And then after I got older,
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I guess you can say
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I fell into the
lure of easy money.
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And I became a
drug dealer. Okay.
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Even though, I was raised
to be a Seventh-day Adventist.
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The lure of easy money
got me where I could...
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At one time I could make,
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you know,
$30,000-40,000 in hour.
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Wow.
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And with ease, no problem.
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But eventually, it
got the best of me.
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God let me taste a
little bit of what it's like
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to be junkie.
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So I became an addict to
the product I was selling,
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which is cocaine.
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And he gave me a taste
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what I was
doing to other people.
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But at the end of that
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and to make a long story short,
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when I was in
prison in doing time,
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God showed me
something that was lacking.
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Okay.
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There was nobody from
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Seventh-day
Adventist Church coming in.
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They are in South Carolina
Department of Corrections
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and I couldn't understand that.
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And at one time it took
over two years for my mom
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to even to get a
pastor to come visit me.
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So I said right then and there,
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I said, "Lord if You would
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let me be a
solution to a problem
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and not a problem."
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So when after going to prison
four times, stayed in federal.
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I guess you can say I'm
hard headed, like Peter.
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I finally seen
what the problem was,
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the woman I had been
with wasn't the right woman.
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And every time that
we've got out of prison,
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we ended up going back
because of our drug addiction.
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And the last
time I went in there,
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I finally figured out
this is not the right woman.
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And I came out in 2000,
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and in 2004 I came
out in the federal prison.
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Jim Wetmore,
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who is now the
prison ministry director
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for North Carolina
came in to visit me.
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And before he came
in, I had prayed to God,
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"I said, Lord, if You want me
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to be a part of prison ministry,
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this man who I have never
met will have to ask me out
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when he gets here."
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And thank God, He did.
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'Cause I'm here
today talking to you.
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Wow! Amen. Amen.
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I have been doing
this for 19 years.
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And the 19
years I have been out,
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God has allowed me to
be a pioneer at some things
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that's never been
done into Carolinas.
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Like what?
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For one, we have
a church established
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in legal
correctional institution
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for the first time.
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Wow!
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Amen.
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We have Charleston
Seventh-day Adventist,
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we have Moncks Corner
Seventh-day Adventist,
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Summerville
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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and Shiloh Seventh-day Adventist
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which is South
Atlantic, working together,
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going and
administering to the church.
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We have our Sabbath school,
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then we have
our worship service,
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we have our elders
and we have our deacons,
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and we even have choir.
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So we have a regular worship
in there just like we did,
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only difference
is there is, no woman
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except for the
woman volunteers going in,
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it's all men
institution, maximum security.
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And so where did
the baptisms take place?
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Is there... Right there.
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Right there in...
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Yeah, they have a
portable baptismal.
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And we baptize them right there.
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Matter of fact,
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we just had a
baptism two weeks ago,
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we baptized nine men.
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Pastor Tony LA
Porte, who is the pastor
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to Charleston
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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came in and did baptism.
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And, you know, I praise God
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because when I started going in,
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I had no
intensions of making a church.
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I was just going
and seeing the men
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because that's what I
wanted when I was in there.
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Yeah.
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So my goal is
to see every church
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Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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South Carolina
and North Carolina
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be active in
prison ministry going in
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and ministering
to those in need.
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Amen.
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That's my goal.
That's a good goal.
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Might take a rest of my life,
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but God gave me a
plan and a purpose.
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Amen. This is my calling.
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And, you know,
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when you realize
the plan and the purpose
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that God has
placed on your life,
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you really feel that
sense of fulfillment.
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Like that's what you
are supposed to be doing.
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Yeah. And there's
no doubt about it.
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It gives me
conformation all the time.
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Amen. Amen.
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Well, Brother Bill,
how did you get involved?
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Well,
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it started with a
brother in our church
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that was going to
prison ministries.
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And he coming
back and testifying...
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It bothered me and
I had to get involved.
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And what's your background?
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My background, well,
it's the refrigeration,
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air conditioning and heating
and I did it in the military.
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Okay. What branch?
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Air force. Air force, okay.
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And so, you've been to
several prisons, correct?
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Yes, sir.
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Okay, okay.
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So when people get
baptized in prison,
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where do they get baptized?
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They have a portable baptismal
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that South Carolina
Department correction has,
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and we bring it in
fill it up with water,
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which is already
prepared before we get there.
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And it's sometimes we
might be baptizing nine.
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One time we baptized
up to 20 at one time.
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Wow! Twenty at one time?
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Yes, sir. Okay, okay.
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And was gonna bring
me to my next question,
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which is how
receptive are the inmates
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when you go in there?
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Because I know there is probably
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a large group of people
that you get to speak to.
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How receptive are they
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to volunteers
and to the message?
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It's breath of
fresh air for them
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because they're locked up.
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Some of them had never had a
visit from family or anybody.
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And there's some had
been doing 30-40 years,
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never had a visit.
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So we are the
only visit they get,
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when the volunteer goes in.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Thirty to forty
years without a visit?
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Yeah. Wow.
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It's a long time.
Yeah, that is a long time.
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Yes, it is.
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What are you gonna say?
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We had a guy that
was in the wheelchair
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and it was long
after we met him,
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that he died
right there in prison.
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Oh, man.
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Did he accept
Christ prior to dying?
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Yeah, he did.
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Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
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So when you go into the prisons,
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what does a program look like?
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A program is
basically the same thing
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that we have here in the street.
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Okay.
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I say the street and the church
on the outside of the prison.
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Okay.
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We have a worship
service for a self-believer
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'cause it's a church.
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We have our
quarterly Bible study
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like we do out here.
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We also have our worship service
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and the inmates
which some of them
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are already been lay down
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and made elders and
deacons in the church.
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We have a
regular worship service,
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the only difference
is, it's mostly men,
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except for the women volunteers
coming in to ministry too.
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Got you.
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And so and how long has
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the Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries
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been in existence?
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Before I came to prison,
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because it been
going on for a while,
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Jim Wetmore,
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far as I know he'd been doing it
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for some time now for over.
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He came in to me in '98
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and he was doing it before then,
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so it's been 30-40 years.
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Okay.
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What testimonies can you
share in terms of maybe lives
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that have been transformed
as a result of this ministry?
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For one, I'm a life changed.
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I like to take the
words of Harry Williams,
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I'm no longer
pushing dope but hope.
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Amen.
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And I'm going out
there to do something
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that I wanted to do
when I was in there.
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Yeah.
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Longing for a
visit, longing for a visit.
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Volunteers don't
understand the impact
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they make on individual
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when they go in to that visit.
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That is the changing of a life.
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Yes, yes.
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Amen.
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You know, I like
how you put that because
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when you are in there
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the first thing that happens is,
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you know, you're dehumanized.
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Yes.
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Then you lack that
contact with the outside world,
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the people that
you're running with
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that you may have
gotten in trouble with,
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you know, they're
nowhere to be found,
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when you get in trouble.
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You know,
sometimes people's families
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abandon them to and so
that church involvement
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is so crucial.
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Yes, it is.
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When you go to
prison, you find out
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who your friends and family are.
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Yes.
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And some of my best family,
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not to say that my
family didn't come visit me,
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but I had people come
from church to visit me,
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who I never knew.
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They showed me love
just like my family had.
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I was very fortunate
to have a loving family,
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who came in and visited me.
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Yeah, that makes
a huge difference.
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Yes, it does, because
that's part of rehabilitation.
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Visits is part
of rehabilitation,
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it's part of
changing of a person
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into a better lifestyle
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than what they were
at before they went in.
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Yes.
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Now, how do you help in reducing
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the recidivism rate?
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Well, for one,
we're doing another thing
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that's never been
done in the Carolinas.
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We're actually building a
transitional house right now,
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first time ever
done into Carolinas.
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And with that
transitional house,
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once it's completed,
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and I'm gonna stick to
Philippians 1:6 on that,
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"For He who began
a good work in you
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will bring it to completion."
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He is not slack to way
man concerns slackness.
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What God starts He finishes.
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He started this
transition house,
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I did not.
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I didn't have the
money to start it with,
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but from somewhere somehow,
God is making the money come.
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For hence we started building
in this transitional house,
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it's been over two years
that we've been working on it.
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And by the grace of
God, I'm a license builder
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which I got my credentials
while in prison you could say.
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Wow!
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I got my heating and
air, I was in the Feds,
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I got my carpentry 1, 2
and 3 in the state system.
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And when I got out,
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I got my license to
be presidential builder.
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Wow!
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Okay, so, you got out
and you were ready to go
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onto the workforce?
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Well, I wanted to prepare myself
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when I did get out.
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I want to use my
time to better myself.
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Yes.
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The Feds had these programs and,
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you know, we
could take for free.
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Even got to do some
of my college courses,
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my US history 1 and
2, my English 1 and 2.
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I got my GED, when I was,
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the first time I
went into the state system
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'cause I quit school
to join the Marine Corp.
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But I guess you can say
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prison was Bible
college for me...
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Got you.
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To prepare me for
what I'm doing now.
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So you're very productive
with your time in there?
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Yes.
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I made a most of it, I
did like a man told me,
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"Don't let time
do you, you do time."
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so in helping to
reduce the recidivism rate,
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you are going to
be equipping people
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in these
transitional houses with trades?
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Yes.
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Once we get this
house built, the next face
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is to get our accreditation
to Palmetto Middle School,
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which is in South Carolina
to get them their credentials
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like a trade.
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You know, for carpentry,
heating and air, electrical,
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plumbing, the basics, you know.
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For us to have somebody
and not teach them life skills,
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we're setting
them up for failure.
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Yeah, yeah.
00:20:15.98\00:20:17.35
So we need to teach
them to be independent,
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to be productive
citizens, Christian citizens.
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So they can go back and
just like God blessed me
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with a business.
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I'm using it to further
the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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People don't know
but when they hire me,
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it will be construction
they're giving to Lord
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because not only do I
return the tithe to the Lord,
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I give the tithe to
the prison ministry.
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Wow, wow.
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When you first
got out of prison,
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was it difficult?
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I mean you had all
the trades and stuff,
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but did you find it difficult
to find a position like
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what was the
transition like for you?
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Well, for one, I had no house,
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I had nothing
but this right here
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when I got out in
the clothes and my bag.
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And at the four times I
went to prison each time
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that's what I came out
with, but when I finally realize
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and got it right and
stayed with the Lord.
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You know, I was
easy to transition in,
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I had no ride, no
place to live, no job.
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But God provided
all those needs for me
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when I got out,
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because I was
looking for him to do that.
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I weren't
looking to nobody else,
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I was looking to God.
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Just like I'm looking to God
to get the transitional house
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to be done.
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Same thing He done for me.
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He's gonna do the same thing
for this transitional house.
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Amen.
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It's what He called us to do,
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to take, to
think of the interest
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of others more
highly than our own.
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I've learned being a Christian
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that part of being a
Christian for Jesus Christ,
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there is supposed to
be service of attitude
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or attitude of service.
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And knowing God and
seeing what is lacking
00:22:05.19\00:22:09.79
in our prison
ministry, what was lacking.
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I wanted to change that,
00:22:12.49\00:22:13.90
I wanted to give
somebody a visit.
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I wanna help them out
to have a place to stay,
00:22:17.63\00:22:20.34
to give him a job.
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And I do that to this day.
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I hire people coming
out and give them a job,
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help them get on their feet
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back in society.
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Not everybody is a 100%,
00:22:32.58\00:22:35.12
but then again
only those for Lord is.
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And we don't know that
till, only God know their heart.
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But I still keep on
kicking, I keep on helping,
00:22:41.76\00:22:44.99
because this is what it's about.
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You know, sharing the
Gospel of Jesus Christ
00:22:47.30\00:22:49.20
that everybody
would cross the pathway.
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Absolutely.
00:22:51.60\00:22:53.07
And, Bill, what have you noticed
00:22:53.10\00:22:55.77
in going to volunteer
in some of these prisons?
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Well, I noticed
that there's guys there
00:22:59.87\00:23:03.65
that are sincere.
00:23:03.68\00:23:06.15
They are willing to
give their heart to Lord.
00:23:06.18\00:23:11.42
One man getting out,
we asked him the question,
00:23:11.45\00:23:16.66
why did he become a Christian?
00:23:16.73\00:23:19.09
He says, "I don't
wanna go to hell."
00:23:19.13\00:23:21.53
Another guy that's in
there, he got a life sentence,
00:23:21.56\00:23:25.23
he's killed
someone and he's happy,
00:23:25.27\00:23:29.90
and I asked him
the same question.
00:23:29.94\00:23:32.24
He says, "As mean as
I have been all my life
00:23:32.27\00:23:36.44
to think that
God still loves me."
00:23:36.48\00:23:39.15
Wow!
00:23:39.18\00:23:40.52
Now, that's was
quiet a testimony.
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Yeah. Amen.
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How did God get a
hold of your life?
00:23:45.35\00:23:47.56
God had hit me over
the head with board.
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But
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He showed me in Korea
00:24:01.84\00:24:07.18
how to minister to people
00:24:07.21\00:24:10.75
and I went into
this red light district
00:24:10.78\00:24:15.08
with tracts and Bibles.
00:24:15.12\00:24:18.59
And this one girl,
she was at the bus stop,
00:24:18.62\00:24:23.19
cussing us, storming,
00:24:23.22\00:24:25.79
calling everybody a
blankety blank liar.
00:24:25.83\00:24:28.46
She was mad.
00:24:28.50\00:24:30.67
I tried to console her.
00:24:30.70\00:24:33.57
She wouldn't
console, she wouldn't.
00:24:33.64\00:24:37.87
Everything I would say, she say,
00:24:37.91\00:24:39.24
"Oh, you're a
blankety blank big liar."
00:24:39.27\00:24:42.18
And I told her, I
don't have any Bibles today
00:24:42.21\00:24:45.85
but I can have some
tomorrow, can I bring you one?
00:24:45.88\00:24:48.95
She said, "Yeah."
00:24:48.98\00:24:52.39
So I asked her where she lived
00:24:52.42\00:24:56.09
and what time to bring to her?
00:24:56.12\00:24:59.53
She told me her
address, said come see her
00:24:59.56\00:25:03.57
4 o'clock in the afternoon.
00:25:03.60\00:25:06.60
So 4 o'clock in the
afternoon, I went to her house,
00:25:06.63\00:25:10.41
she wasn't home.
00:25:10.44\00:25:12.34
I sat down on the
steps and waited for her.
00:25:12.37\00:25:15.01
Half hour later
she come down the path,
00:25:15.04\00:25:18.68
she saw me, her face
turned red as the beast.
00:25:18.71\00:25:22.08
She invited me in and I went in,
00:25:22.12\00:25:25.72
and she started
to taking clothes off
00:25:25.75\00:25:27.59
and I left,
00:25:27.66\00:25:29.52
and she put her clothes
on, ran and caught me and said,
00:25:29.56\00:25:33.50
I won't do that anymore.
00:25:33.53\00:25:36.40
So we sat down
and I was going down
00:25:36.43\00:25:39.93
the Roman road with her.
00:25:39.97\00:25:42.47
Just big old crocodile
tears coming out of her eyes,
00:25:42.50\00:25:47.08
and she accepted the Lord
00:25:47.11\00:25:50.45
and I didn't see
her anymore after that.
00:25:50.48\00:25:53.82
Finally three months later,
00:25:53.85\00:25:55.62
they find her in
reservoir floating,
00:25:55.65\00:25:58.72
she's dead.
00:25:58.75\00:26:01.86
Poppason, made an
example out of her,
00:26:01.89\00:26:05.43
to keep the other girls in line,
00:26:05.46\00:26:07.20
that's what the girls told me.
00:26:07.23\00:26:10.20
She wouldn't give up her Lord
and Saviour for to do things
00:26:10.27\00:26:15.00
that they had been doing before.
00:26:15.04\00:26:17.21
Yes.
00:26:17.24\00:26:18.57
So she took a stand for Christ.
00:26:18.61\00:26:20.88
Amen. Yeah.
00:26:20.91\00:26:23.18
Wow!
00:26:23.21\00:26:24.55
So, you went to like any...
00:26:24.58\00:26:27.92
Like anywhere there
was nowhere you wouldn't go
00:26:27.95\00:26:30.42
to hand out of tract
00:26:30.49\00:26:32.25
or hand out the Bible
or give Bible studies,
00:26:32.29\00:26:36.83
you know, prior
to doing this program
00:26:36.86\00:26:39.13
we all sat down
00:26:39.16\00:26:40.50
and we had the
opportunity to talk,
00:26:40.53\00:26:43.00
and I got to find
out some information
00:26:43.03\00:26:45.23
about you guys
and all of that stuff.
00:26:45.27\00:26:47.54
And you were
telling me a story about
00:26:47.57\00:26:49.37
how you gave Bibles
studies, you went in the...
00:26:49.40\00:26:52.94
Was it a bar or something?
00:26:52.97\00:26:54.68
No, it was a...
00:26:54.71\00:26:56.04
There was a
compound they had built
00:26:56.08\00:26:57.75
called Silver Town.
00:26:57.78\00:26:59.11
Okay.
00:26:59.15\00:27:00.52
Just outside of Kunsan Air Base,
00:27:00.55\00:27:02.98
it was half way between
Kunsan Air Base and Kuna City,
00:27:03.02\00:27:06.42
which was about
seven miles between the two
00:27:06.45\00:27:08.89
and they were in the middle.
00:27:08.92\00:27:10.73
And they sold girls into that,
00:27:11.69\00:27:17.60
to entertainment the GI's,
00:27:17.63\00:27:19.93
'cause the Koreans didn't want
00:27:19.97\00:27:21.90
the GI's coming down
00:27:21.94\00:27:23.44
into their neighborhood cities,
00:27:23.51\00:27:25.17
afraid that it might
influence their wives
00:27:25.21\00:27:28.64
or something else.
00:27:28.68\00:27:30.05
Yeah, and it was...
00:27:30.08\00:27:31.75
It made make sick.
00:27:36.42\00:27:38.05
I was in Korea before that TY.
00:27:38.09\00:27:42.19
And I saw that
place and I told God,
00:27:42.22\00:27:44.56
I didn't ever
want anything to do
00:27:44.59\00:27:47.13
with Koreans again,
00:27:47.20\00:27:50.30
especially Kunsan.
00:27:50.37\00:27:52.60
As soon as I got
back or six months later
00:27:52.63\00:27:55.60
I got orders for the same base
00:27:55.64\00:27:57.31
Kunsan Air Force Base.
00:27:57.34\00:27:59.37
I got out of it
for medical reasons.
00:27:59.41\00:28:02.31
Then I got in to an outfit,
they put me on code 51 said,
00:28:02.34\00:28:07.32
that I couldn't go
nowhere for three years.
00:28:07.35\00:28:09.48
Well, I said, "Good,
00:28:09.52\00:28:10.89
I'm not going to Kunsan, Korea."
00:28:10.92\00:28:13.69
When that code 51 ran out,
00:28:13.76\00:28:16.09
I got orders
again for Kunsan, Korea,
00:28:16.12\00:28:20.53
and I said, "Lord why me."
00:28:20.60\00:28:24.20
And I had a dream that
night of going into Silver Town,
00:28:24.27\00:28:28.10
with tracts of Bible.
00:28:28.14\00:28:29.47
Rolled me out of
bed, "Oh, no, Lord.
00:28:29.50\00:28:33.88
I can't do that."
00:28:33.91\00:28:35.51
I don't mean, I
can't, I couldn't do it.
00:28:35.54\00:28:41.48
And for seven months
after I got to Kunsan, Korea,
00:28:41.52\00:28:45.19
I ran from Silver Town.
00:28:45.22\00:28:48.76
I couldn't stand that place.
00:28:48.79\00:28:50.46
Every time I go by, it
was like someone standing up,
00:28:50.53\00:28:53.40
pointing a
finger at me Like that,
00:28:53.43\00:28:55.83
their picture
they had of Uncle Sam
00:28:55.86\00:28:59.93
pointing his finger at
us during the World War II
00:28:59.97\00:29:02.90
and saying God wants you.
00:29:02.94\00:29:04.97
I mean, America wants
you, it's America wants you.
00:29:05.01\00:29:08.38
It was like saying
God wants you to be.
00:29:08.41\00:29:13.08
And it made me miserable.
00:29:13.11\00:29:17.89
I went to Seoul, Korea
to a watch night service,
00:29:17.92\00:29:22.22
and they had 7,000 tracts there,
00:29:22.26\00:29:25.79
was my name on it.
00:29:25.83\00:29:27.76
No one knew I
was gonna be there.
00:29:27.80\00:29:29.96
No one knew I mean...
00:29:30.00\00:29:34.57
They didn't know
anything about me,
00:29:34.60\00:29:36.64
not in Seoul,
Korea, I was in Kunsan,
00:29:36.71\00:29:39.81
which is half way
down the peninsula to...
00:29:39.84\00:29:44.95
The end of it, you know.
00:29:44.98\00:29:47.02
So you know
there are with tracts,
00:29:47.05\00:29:50.42
was my name on it.
00:29:50.49\00:29:52.05
Wow, so God was really
trying to get a hold of you.
00:29:52.09\00:29:54.39
Oh, yeah.
00:29:54.42\00:29:56.62
God was really,
00:29:56.66\00:29:58.06
really trying to
get a hold of you.
00:29:58.09\00:30:02.86
So, you know,
you've been in the military
00:30:02.90\00:30:05.97
and now you...
00:30:06.00\00:30:07.37
You're here back in the
States and going into prisons
00:30:07.44\00:30:13.24
and volunteering
00:30:13.27\00:30:15.58
and you're the
Regional Director,
00:30:15.61\00:30:18.48
how many other
people are involved
00:30:18.51\00:30:20.52
in the prison ministry?
00:30:20.55\00:30:23.39
In South Carolina,
00:30:23.42\00:30:26.22
you have just in the Charleston,
00:30:26.25\00:30:29.49
Summerville,
Moncks Corner and Shiloh,
00:30:29.52\00:30:32.33
we have over 26
volunteers who take turns
00:30:32.36\00:30:35.70
going in each Sabbath on Monday,
00:30:35.73\00:30:38.73
to minister to the inmates.
00:30:38.77\00:30:40.17
Okay.
00:30:40.24\00:30:41.57
And then we're Bill
from in West Columbia,
00:30:41.60\00:30:44.31
and Columbia,
00:30:44.34\00:30:45.67
Midtown in Armo
00:30:45.71\00:30:48.94
and Leesburg and
Batesburg out there...
00:30:48.98\00:30:51.65
Where they have a
Three Angels' Church.
00:30:51.68\00:30:53.82
Okay.
00:30:53.85\00:30:55.88
They are like in the
mid part of South Carolina
00:30:55.92\00:30:59.29
to the institutions there.
00:30:59.32\00:31:01.39
They're going in to
00:31:01.42\00:31:04.36
Manning Correctional Institution
00:31:04.39\00:31:06.36
where Bill goes on the Sabbath.
00:31:06.39\00:31:08.56
In Broad River
they both go there.
00:31:08.60\00:31:10.87
You have
Woodruff, South Carolina
00:31:10.90\00:31:12.90
who goes into
00:31:12.93\00:31:14.27
Tyger River
Correctional Institution.
00:31:14.30\00:31:16.64
And then you have Greenville
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:31:16.71\00:31:20.21
who's going into
00:31:20.28\00:31:21.61
the Greenville
Juvenile Detention Center,
00:31:21.64\00:31:23.85
who're ministering
to the youth there.
00:31:23.88\00:31:25.28
Nice. Yeah.
00:31:25.31\00:31:26.65
Nice. So there's
heavy involvement.
00:31:26.72\00:31:28.48
Yes. Heavy involvement.
00:31:28.52\00:31:30.19
Who's on, like, what
tell us about the board?
00:31:30.22\00:31:33.36
The Board of Directors
for like transitional housing.
00:31:33.39\00:31:37.33
Bill is one of
the members so am I,
00:31:37.36\00:31:40.13
Tony Bowers, Robert
Dawson, David Dorn and Lori.
00:31:40.20\00:31:45.50
I can't remember
Lori's last name.
00:31:45.53\00:31:47.34
I hope she
forgives me about that.
00:31:47.37\00:31:48.74
Yeah.
00:31:48.77\00:31:50.34
But when we...
00:31:50.41\00:31:53.07
When the board came
together, it was Robert Dawson,
00:31:53.11\00:31:55.81
Tony and Bill and I.
00:31:55.84\00:31:57.71
And after two years working
on the transitional house,
00:31:57.75\00:32:02.48
we decided who is
going to start fasting
00:32:02.52\00:32:04.52
and praying to God and
get the money we needed.
00:32:04.55\00:32:08.99
And about a month
after we had started fasting
00:32:09.02\00:32:11.86
and praying,
00:32:11.89\00:32:13.60
we were already
getting some money
00:32:13.63\00:32:15.46
coming in through donations,
00:32:15.50\00:32:17.10
you know, from
churches and people, like,
00:32:17.17\00:32:20.24
the NAD, the
North American Division
00:32:20.27\00:32:22.30
donated 10,000
towards us to help us.
00:32:22.34\00:32:24.91
Praise the Lord. Get
going, where we're going.
00:32:24.94\00:32:26.51
It was a blessing.
00:32:26.54\00:32:27.88
And then it
weren't long after that,
00:32:27.91\00:32:30.98
God opened up the door for me
00:32:31.01\00:32:33.18
to buy another
transitional house
00:32:33.21\00:32:35.25
in North
Charleston, South Carolina,
00:32:35.28\00:32:37.62
which is waiting to be done
00:32:37.65\00:32:39.65
when we get done with Gilbert.
00:32:39.69\00:32:41.46
Wow!
00:32:41.49\00:32:42.82
Wow! Amen.
00:32:42.86\00:32:44.23
We actually have some pictures
that I'd like for us to go to
00:32:44.26\00:32:47.20
and as we walk
through these pictures,
00:32:47.23\00:32:49.10
just tell us what,
00:32:49.13\00:32:50.47
tell us a little
bit about each one?
00:32:50.50\00:32:52.20
Well, that one there
is when we went to India.
00:32:52.23\00:32:54.70
Okay.
00:32:54.74\00:32:56.07
And the reason we went to India,
00:32:56.10\00:32:57.44
there was no
prison ministry there.
00:32:57.51\00:32:59.74
And Tony Dawson, I mean,
Robert Dawson, I'm sorry.
00:32:59.77\00:33:02.81
Robert Dawson knew the president
00:33:02.84\00:33:06.08
from the union there,
00:33:06.11\00:33:07.45
he had come here to
South Carolina to visit him.
00:33:07.52\00:33:10.32
And he was witnessing to him
00:33:10.39\00:33:11.92
what we were doing
in prison ministry.
00:33:11.95\00:33:14.52
And he said, "Would
we come over there?"
00:33:14.56\00:33:17.06
Because they had
no prison ministry,
00:33:17.13\00:33:18.56
even though the
Seventh-day Adventist
00:33:18.59\00:33:20.23
been there over a hundred years.
00:33:20.30\00:33:22.50
So we agreed to
go, and matter of fact,
00:33:22.53\00:33:27.07
the Southern
Union office helped pay
00:33:27.14\00:33:28.64
for the tickets to go
00:33:28.67\00:33:30.01
and the local churches
donated money for our expenses.
00:33:30.04\00:33:32.87
And we went there
00:33:32.91\00:33:34.28
and we started
going to churches.
00:33:34.31\00:33:37.05
A 15-hour flight,
and when we got there,
00:33:37.08\00:33:40.35
I mean, as soon as we got there,
00:33:40.42\00:33:42.28
we started getting into car
and going to churches in India.
00:33:42.32\00:33:45.49
Wow!
00:33:45.52\00:33:46.86
Which is a 10-hour drive
00:33:46.89\00:33:48.22
as soon as we get off the plane.
00:33:48.26\00:33:49.59
Yeah.
00:33:49.62\00:33:50.96
Ten-hour drive as soon
as you got off the plane?
00:33:50.99\00:33:52.39
Yeah. How long was that flight?
00:33:52.43\00:33:54.30
Fifteen hours. Fifteen hours?
00:33:54.33\00:33:56.43
Yes. Wow!
00:33:56.46\00:33:59.20
That's a 25-hour ride.
00:33:59.23\00:34:01.34
There was no rest.
00:34:01.37\00:34:02.70
But you know,
00:34:02.74\00:34:04.11
when you're doing
something for Lord,
00:34:04.14\00:34:05.47
then you don't
think about those things.
00:34:05.51\00:34:06.84
Yeah. You just
want to get there.
00:34:06.88\00:34:08.21
Yes, I'm ready to go
and, and we went to this,
00:34:08.24\00:34:11.35
that picture just
you were showing there.
00:34:11.38\00:34:13.35
Every one of those came
forward for prison ministry
00:34:13.42\00:34:15.28
in that picture.
00:34:15.32\00:34:16.69
Wow!
00:34:16.72\00:34:18.05
That church there...
00:34:18.09\00:34:19.42
Matter of fact
after we came back here,
00:34:19.45\00:34:21.32
the Pathfinders,
00:34:21.36\00:34:22.89
they went in
with the Pathfinders
00:34:22.92\00:34:24.26
to the local prison there
00:34:24.33\00:34:26.09
and ministered to
the prisoners there
00:34:26.13\00:34:28.93
since we left, so
they have a prison ministry
00:34:28.96\00:34:32.23
going on in India now.
00:34:32.27\00:34:33.64
That is beautiful.
00:34:33.67\00:34:35.00
So this thing is not
just confined to Carolina.
00:34:35.04\00:34:38.64
This is more of a global.
00:34:38.67\00:34:40.58
Yeah.
00:34:40.61\00:34:41.94
Well, God's everywhere.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:34:41.98\00:34:44.41
You can't contain Him.
00:34:44.45\00:34:45.78
That's right.
00:34:45.81\00:34:47.15
He's everywhere. That's right.
00:34:47.22\00:34:48.65
And we were
willing to go and that's,
00:34:48.68\00:34:50.29
you know, it was...
00:34:50.32\00:34:52.39
If you're willing
to let God use you,
00:34:52.42\00:34:54.96
the sky's the limit.
00:34:54.99\00:34:56.32
Yes. Yes, that is true.
00:34:56.36\00:34:58.99
And the gospel is to
go into all the world.
00:34:59.03\00:35:01.06
Yeah. And
there's no limit on that.
00:35:01.10\00:35:02.93
That's right. That's right.
00:35:02.96\00:35:04.30
God opens up doors
for that everywhere.
00:35:04.33\00:35:06.10
Amen.
00:35:06.13\00:35:07.47
We've got some more
pictures we want to go through.
00:35:07.54\00:35:08.90
Sure. And see what does?
00:35:08.94\00:35:11.27
This is a transitional house
in Gilbert, South Carolina.
00:35:11.31\00:35:13.88
This is the property
that Bill here bought.
00:35:13.91\00:35:16.75
And the guy on the
deck that you see there
00:35:16.78\00:35:19.38
is an inmate who
had just got out,
00:35:19.41\00:35:21.22
I gave him a
job to help him out.
00:35:21.25\00:35:22.88
He was helping us build that.
00:35:22.92\00:35:25.19
And this is the beginning,
00:35:25.22\00:35:26.55
I wouldn't say
the beginning stages.
00:35:26.59\00:35:28.62
When I came in
00:35:28.66\00:35:30.03
and got started on this project,
00:35:30.06\00:35:32.89
this deck wasn't here,
the building was there.
00:35:32.93\00:35:36.10
And Bill had hired somebody
00:35:36.13\00:35:37.70
to do the piers
underneath there.
00:35:37.73\00:35:39.43
Okay.
00:35:39.47\00:35:40.84
And he made a
mistake of paying them
00:35:40.87\00:35:42.20
before they got done,
00:35:42.24\00:35:43.57
but they never
came back to finish.
00:35:43.61\00:35:44.94
Oh!
00:35:44.97\00:35:46.31
So I went in
there and we finished
00:35:46.34\00:35:47.94
the piers underneath there.
00:35:47.98\00:35:49.31
We started the deck.
00:35:49.34\00:35:51.21
And we're gradually
slowly but surely moving our way
00:35:51.25\00:35:54.52
to getting done.
00:35:54.55\00:35:57.09
We're almost done
with outside of it.
00:35:57.12\00:35:59.02
Nice. We're working on it.
00:35:59.05\00:36:00.39
Nice.
00:36:00.46\00:36:01.79
And how many people does say
00:36:01.82\00:36:03.53
one of the
transitional houses hold?
00:36:03.56\00:36:06.16
This particular house
will be able to house six men.
00:36:06.19\00:36:08.86
Okay. Two in each room.
00:36:08.90\00:36:10.50
Nice. Nice.
00:36:10.57\00:36:12.20
So it's not gonna be
overcrowded or anything.
00:36:12.23\00:36:15.00
It's a nice setting
for them to really thrive.
00:36:15.04\00:36:18.47
Yes.
00:36:18.51\00:36:19.84
It's 3.6 acres
that this house is on.
00:36:19.87\00:36:21.94
3.6 acres. Wow!
00:36:21.98\00:36:23.65
3.6 acres so it's gonna be
00:36:23.68\00:36:25.55
a nice peaceful setting for them
00:36:25.58\00:36:27.92
where they can really learn,
00:36:27.95\00:36:29.28
and focus and be
reintegrated into society.
00:36:29.32\00:36:31.82
Well, it's got to
be big enough to house
00:36:31.85\00:36:33.46
the trade school
we're gonna build
00:36:33.49\00:36:35.62
as soon as we get done
with this transitional housing.
00:36:35.66\00:36:37.83
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:36:37.86\00:36:40.20
All right, let's take a look at
00:36:40.23\00:36:41.56
some of the other
pictures that we have.
00:36:41.60\00:36:43.57
This is a drawing of
the transitional house
00:36:43.60\00:36:46.53
that David Dorn did
for us, donated it to us.
00:36:46.57\00:36:50.54
And this is the floor plan
00:36:50.61\00:36:52.47
on what you're looking at there,
00:36:52.51\00:36:54.54
the outside and inside.
00:36:54.58\00:36:58.78
That there is the
projected landscape
00:36:58.81\00:37:03.32
if it gets to that part,
00:37:03.39\00:37:04.72
we not, not be that meticulous
00:37:04.75\00:37:06.52
and doing that many bushes
00:37:06.55\00:37:07.89
that you see in
that picture, but...
00:37:07.92\00:37:09.32
Just the Lord would tarry.
00:37:09.36\00:37:10.73
But there's where
we add to this day
00:37:10.76\00:37:12.73
on the transition
house in that picture.
00:37:12.76\00:37:14.46
Okay.
00:37:14.50\00:37:16.67
I waited two years to
see that picture or that...
00:37:16.70\00:37:20.17
that much to get accomplished.
00:37:20.24\00:37:22.10
That is definitely sweat,
sweat and tears over that.
00:37:22.14\00:37:25.44
Yeah, you had some
sweat equity in that.
00:37:25.47\00:37:27.08
Yes.
00:37:27.11\00:37:28.44
And but, you know,
00:37:28.48\00:37:29.81
I drive from
Charleston up to Gilbert,
00:37:29.84\00:37:31.18
which is an hour
and a half ride one way.
00:37:31.21\00:37:32.91
Wow!
00:37:32.95\00:37:34.32
So I do that on a
weekly basis to get this done.
00:37:34.35\00:37:38.72
Yes. Yes.
00:37:38.75\00:37:41.62
So what are maybe like
00:37:41.66\00:37:44.46
some of the needs that you have?
00:37:44.49\00:37:47.60
Well, we always need money...
00:37:47.63\00:37:48.96
Yeah.
00:37:49.00\00:37:50.33
Which is the big factor.
00:37:50.37\00:37:53.34
And we're relying
on God to bring it in,
00:37:53.37\00:37:55.67
and donation is one of it.
00:37:55.70\00:37:58.64
And volunteers?
00:37:58.67\00:38:00.01
Oh, volunteers? Yes.
00:38:00.08\00:38:01.41
Without volunteers
there is no prison ministry.
00:38:01.44\00:38:03.45
Yes. Yes.
00:38:03.48\00:38:04.81
We got to have volunteers.
00:38:04.85\00:38:06.18
What about pastors?
00:38:06.21\00:38:07.55
Pastors?
00:38:07.62\00:38:08.95
We can use more of them.
00:38:08.98\00:38:10.32
Okay.
00:38:10.35\00:38:11.69
We have one Tony
Laporti, who's the pastor
00:38:11.72\00:38:13.96
in the Charleston
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:38:13.99\00:38:17.96
And in 19 years I've
been out, he's one of the ones
00:38:17.99\00:38:22.53
that actually
calls me and ask me,
00:38:22.56\00:38:25.27
"When do you need
me to go in next week?"
00:38:25.30\00:38:28.20
I wish I can get more like that.
00:38:28.24\00:38:29.57
Yes.
00:38:29.60\00:38:30.94
I mean, I'm not
saying that they don't come
00:38:30.97\00:38:32.37
when I do ask
other pastors, they do.
00:38:32.41\00:38:35.18
But for a pastor
to be that dedicated,
00:38:35.21\00:38:39.45
is the first one in
19 years I've been out.
00:38:39.48\00:38:41.78
Wow!
00:38:41.82\00:38:43.15
I've had pastors at
one time, telling me,
00:38:43.18\00:38:45.65
it wasn't their cup
of tea to go in to visit.
00:38:45.69\00:38:49.09
But we're living in that time,
00:38:49.12\00:38:51.96
you know, we're
in the end times.
00:38:51.99\00:38:53.33
Oh, yeah.
00:38:53.40\00:38:54.73
And trouble is on the
inside, it ain't outside.
00:38:54.76\00:38:57.27
It comes from within.
00:38:57.30\00:38:59.50
And when I was in
prison and I was seeing
00:38:59.53\00:39:02.44
how we didn't
have anybody coming in,
00:39:02.47\00:39:04.87
I wanted to change that,
I want to be a part of that.
00:39:04.91\00:39:07.11
Yeah.
00:39:07.18\00:39:08.51
Because I am a
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:39:08.54\00:39:10.45
I believe in the
message that we preach.
00:39:10.48\00:39:12.38
Yeah.
00:39:16.69\00:39:18.02
And I want it to happen.
00:39:18.05\00:39:19.39
I want to be a part of that.
00:39:19.42\00:39:20.76
Yes. Yes.
00:39:20.79\00:39:22.12
The changing of a life,
00:39:22.16\00:39:24.16
the truth and the truth hurts.
00:39:24.23\00:39:28.40
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:28.43\00:39:31.00
And definitely it's
like looking in a mirror.
00:39:31.03\00:39:33.20
Yeah.
00:39:33.23\00:39:34.57
It causes you to
take a look at your life.
00:39:34.60\00:39:36.34
Yes, it does.
00:39:36.37\00:39:37.71
And realize
your need for Christ.
00:39:37.74\00:39:40.48
And I need Him every day.
00:39:40.51\00:39:41.94
Amen, we all do.
00:39:41.98\00:39:43.65
We all do, for sure.
00:39:43.68\00:39:46.75
So what are some
of the challenges
00:39:46.82\00:39:49.72
that you faced
in prison ministry?
00:39:49.75\00:39:53.86
My biggest challenge is getting,
00:39:53.89\00:39:58.76
I hate to say this,
00:39:58.79\00:40:00.63
is trying to get a
pastor going sometimes.
00:40:00.70\00:40:03.77
You know, because
I'm a regional director
00:40:03.80\00:40:06.13
in South Carolina and I
can't do the whole state.
00:40:06.17\00:40:08.80
Yeah. Although
it's my territory.
00:40:08.84\00:40:10.41
Yeah.
00:40:10.44\00:40:11.77
And I need help and
God sends volunteers
00:40:11.81\00:40:13.58
to help me get it done.
00:40:13.61\00:40:15.28
But there are some
times that, you know,
00:40:15.31\00:40:18.21
and I can understand
a pastor saying, "No,"
00:40:18.25\00:40:20.52
because sometimes our pastors
00:40:20.55\00:40:22.25
might be doing two or
three churches at one time.
00:40:22.28\00:40:23.72
That's true, yeah.
00:40:23.79\00:40:25.69
My pastor right now
00:40:25.72\00:40:27.09
he's the leader
for men's ministry
00:40:27.16\00:40:29.79
and he runs, the pastor
00:40:29.82\00:40:31.99
of the Charleston
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:40:32.03\00:40:33.70
Wow!
00:40:33.73\00:40:35.06
So he has his plate full.
00:40:35.10\00:40:36.67
Yes, yeah.
00:40:36.70\00:40:38.03
As well as I, but...
00:40:38.07\00:40:39.63
Stretched thin.
00:40:39.67\00:40:41.00
Well... In some places.
00:40:41.04\00:40:42.64
If you want to do
something, you'll find a way.
00:40:42.67\00:40:45.87
You'll make a way,
you'll look for that time slot,
00:40:45.91\00:40:48.64
you'll make a time slot forward,
00:40:48.68\00:40:50.45
that's all we're doing.
00:40:50.48\00:40:52.18
Bill, you want to say.
00:40:52.21\00:40:53.55
Yeah, on Wednesdays at Manning,
00:40:53.62\00:40:56.89
I'm usually the
only one and on...
00:40:56.92\00:40:59.92
on Tuesdays at Broad River,
00:40:59.95\00:41:02.79
I'm usually the
only one going in there
00:41:02.82\00:41:05.79
and it would help to
have someone else beside me.
00:41:05.83\00:41:10.77
And I've been a Seventh-day
Adventist for seven years,
00:41:10.80\00:41:14.50
so I'm a little bit short
00:41:14.54\00:41:16.71
on some of the teachings.
00:41:16.74\00:41:21.44
I'm trying to
learn as much as I can.
00:41:21.48\00:41:25.91
Say age is against me.
00:41:25.95\00:41:28.52
But the inmates,
00:41:28.55\00:41:31.75
they welcome me.
00:41:31.79\00:41:34.56
We have quite a camaraderie
00:41:34.59\00:41:37.63
and we get along good,
00:41:37.66\00:41:41.86
but it's still
to be the only one.
00:41:41.90\00:41:46.27
When you walk through that gate
00:41:46.30\00:41:47.94
and click, slam shut on you.
00:41:47.97\00:41:50.91
Yes.
00:41:50.94\00:41:52.41
You know that you're in there,
00:41:52.44\00:41:54.94
you're the only one
in there like you are
00:41:54.98\00:41:58.65
and the rest of them,
00:41:58.68\00:42:00.12
you know, is not,
not that friendly.
00:42:00.15\00:42:05.55
Maybe to me they might be
since I worked in a prison,
00:42:05.59\00:42:10.46
but you need
more people involved.
00:42:10.53\00:42:16.26
It would show to the inmate
00:42:16.30\00:42:19.13
that more people
have a heart for them.
00:42:19.17\00:42:21.77
Yes.
00:42:21.80\00:42:23.74
As Christians,
00:42:23.81\00:42:25.44
we should be having a heart
00:42:25.47\00:42:29.31
for the lost souls.
00:42:29.34\00:42:31.31
We should have a dream
winning people to the Lord,
00:42:31.35\00:42:36.25
not just me, myself and I.
00:42:36.28\00:42:38.19
Yeah.
00:42:38.22\00:42:39.55
We're not made of that.
00:42:39.59\00:42:41.09
We're not supposed
to be made of that.
00:42:41.12\00:42:42.66
If that's it, then
we need to get back down
00:42:42.69\00:42:45.13
to the altar ourselves.
00:42:45.16\00:42:48.70
Amen.
00:42:48.73\00:42:50.07
Yes. And you said it.
00:42:50.10\00:42:51.43
You said it for sure.
00:42:51.47\00:42:52.93
And then what the
gospel supposed to be preached
00:42:52.97\00:42:57.01
to the whole world
that includes prisons,
00:42:57.04\00:42:58.94
that includes those
that are incarcerated.
00:42:58.97\00:43:01.41
You know, they are God
want to reach those individuals.
00:43:01.44\00:43:05.51
Who do we consider
the least of these?
00:43:05.55\00:43:08.82
The ones we think the least of
00:43:08.85\00:43:11.85
and when are we going
to get a heart for that?
00:43:11.89\00:43:15.06
Yes. Yes.
00:43:15.09\00:43:16.42
Amen. Yeah.
00:43:16.46\00:43:18.19
Our quarterly has owned
00:43:18.23\00:43:19.56
for the least of
these ministries.
00:43:19.59\00:43:21.73
And on the front of
it, it shows the man
00:43:21.76\00:43:24.27
that got robbed
on the Jericho Path.
00:43:24.30\00:43:27.14
And it was this Samaritan,
00:43:27.17\00:43:29.10
the one that the
Jews did not like,
00:43:29.14\00:43:32.31
who went in to help
this particular person
00:43:32.34\00:43:35.51
that got robbed.
00:43:35.54\00:43:37.48
Except for the
grace of God, there go I.
00:43:37.55\00:43:39.88
Yeah.
00:43:39.91\00:43:41.25
If we don't get that
attitude and we don't,
00:43:41.28\00:43:43.49
we're not going to get it.
00:43:43.52\00:43:44.85
Yeah.
00:43:44.89\00:43:46.22
We got to get involved.
00:43:46.25\00:43:47.89
Yes. Amen.
00:43:47.92\00:43:49.89
And I can't think
somebody else is gonna do it,
00:43:49.92\00:43:52.09
well somebody else will do
it, somebody else will do it.
00:43:52.13\00:43:54.80
Read the... the after
00:43:54.83\00:43:56.87
where you left off and on 25,
00:43:56.90\00:44:00.04
read the rest of that.
00:44:00.07\00:44:01.40
Correct.
00:44:01.44\00:44:02.77
I think people
need to hear that too.
00:44:02.80\00:44:05.24
Yeah.
00:44:05.27\00:44:06.61
Matthew Chapter 25. Yeah.
00:44:06.68\00:44:08.31
Yeah, this is in now
in verse 41 and it says,
00:44:08.34\00:44:13.65
"Then He will also say
to those on the left hand,
00:44:13.72\00:44:17.49
'Depart from Me, you cursed,
00:44:17.52\00:44:20.36
into the everlasting fire
00:44:20.39\00:44:22.29
prepared for the
devil and his angels:
00:44:22.32\00:44:25.73
For I was hungry
and you gave Me no food,
00:44:25.76\00:44:28.00
I was thirsty and
you gave Me no drink,
00:44:28.03\00:44:30.77
I was a stranger and
you did not take Me in,
00:44:30.80\00:44:33.84
naked and you did not clothe Me,
00:44:33.87\00:44:36.44
sick and in prison
and you did not visit Me.'
00:44:36.47\00:44:40.18
Then they also will answer Him,
00:44:40.21\00:44:41.94
saying, 'Lord, when did we
see You hungry, or thirsty,
00:44:41.98\00:44:45.15
or a stranger, or
naked, or sick or in prison,
00:44:45.18\00:44:48.65
and did not minister to You?'
00:44:48.68\00:44:52.49
Then He will answer them,
00:44:52.52\00:44:53.86
saying,
'Assuredly, I say to you,
00:44:53.89\00:44:56.39
inasmuch as you did not do it
00:44:56.42\00:44:59.46
to one of the least of these,
00:44:59.49\00:45:01.93
you did not do it to Me.
00:45:01.96\00:45:05.30
And these will go away
into everlasting punishment,
00:45:05.33\00:45:08.47
but the righteous
into eternal life."
00:45:08.50\00:45:13.04
Yeah, God is not just love only,
00:45:13.07\00:45:16.38
He's also just.
00:45:16.41\00:45:17.75
And you know, even in His,
00:45:21.88\00:45:23.89
when you think about,
00:45:23.92\00:45:25.82
you know, those that
may not make it to heaven,
00:45:25.85\00:45:30.36
like He's God,
00:45:30.43\00:45:31.76
we do serve a just
God and a loving God,
00:45:31.79\00:45:35.13
and you think about the people
that don't want to serve God
00:45:35.16\00:45:38.87
and don't want to honor God
00:45:38.90\00:45:41.57
and try and
reciprocate that love.
00:45:41.60\00:45:46.11
You know,
00:45:46.14\00:45:49.18
you think about how miserable
that they would be in a place
00:45:49.21\00:45:53.21
where everybody is
worshipping and praising,
00:45:53.25\00:45:56.32
praising God and He
knows that and He doesn't...
00:45:56.35\00:45:59.72
He's a God of love,
so He doesn't force,
00:45:59.75\00:46:02.66
force you to love Him.
00:46:02.69\00:46:04.33
Well, how many
of them would bail
00:46:04.36\00:46:05.69
or point a finger at you
00:46:05.73\00:46:07.06
and say you didn't tell me to?
00:46:07.10\00:46:08.53
And that...
00:46:08.56\00:46:09.90
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:09.93\00:46:11.27
The blood will be required.
00:46:11.30\00:46:13.34
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:13.37\00:46:14.70
How many neighbors
don't know about Christ?
00:46:14.74\00:46:17.54
Family members.
00:46:17.61\00:46:18.94
Family members. Yes.
00:46:18.97\00:46:20.31
Yeah, friends. Amen.
00:46:20.34\00:46:21.94
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
00:46:21.98\00:46:25.25
You know, one of the things
00:46:25.28\00:46:26.61
that I'm very passionate
about is prison ministry.
00:46:26.65\00:46:29.35
So I was very excited to
know that you guys were coming
00:46:29.38\00:46:32.65
and that I was gonna have
the opportunity of sitting down
00:46:32.69\00:46:35.86
and talking to you
guys and finding out what,
00:46:35.89\00:46:37.89
you know, what you're all
about and, what you're doing
00:46:37.93\00:46:39.79
and what God is using you guys
00:46:39.83\00:46:43.40
to do in prison ministry?
00:46:43.47\00:46:46.94
It's always great
to hear about people
00:46:46.97\00:46:49.54
that had given
their lives to the Lord
00:46:49.57\00:46:51.34
and those that are incarcerated,
00:46:51.37\00:46:53.68
sometimes what you find is
00:46:53.71\00:46:55.81
they're more
hungry for the gospel
00:46:55.84\00:46:57.48
than people that
free on the outside.
00:46:57.55\00:47:00.92
Amen.
00:47:00.95\00:47:02.28
But in bondage to sin.
00:47:02.32\00:47:04.85
Amen. I know that so.
00:47:04.89\00:47:06.22
There're some of them
00:47:06.25\00:47:07.59
that know the
Bible better than we do.
00:47:07.66\00:47:09.39
And that's true too. Yeah.
00:47:09.42\00:47:11.26
So you better study
00:47:11.29\00:47:12.63
to show
yourself approved of God,
00:47:12.66\00:47:14.20
so you can be a workman
who need not be ashamed.
00:47:14.23\00:47:16.97
And who
correctly handles the word,
00:47:17.00\00:47:18.73
because when you go in
there, they got it down pat.
00:47:18.77\00:47:21.84
Oh, yeah. And
they will question you.
00:47:21.87\00:47:23.41
Yes, they do.
00:47:23.44\00:47:24.77
They will ask you
questions for sure.
00:47:24.81\00:47:26.81
They're like debris
and show me in Word.
00:47:26.88\00:47:29.04
That's right. That's right.
00:47:29.08\00:47:31.01
So, all right.
00:47:31.05\00:47:33.31
What other
things can you tell me
00:47:33.35\00:47:34.72
about your prison
ministry experience?
00:47:34.75\00:47:39.52
It's one that's very appealing.
00:47:39.55\00:47:44.03
It's one that when I do
get to go into the prisons,
00:47:44.06\00:47:48.76
and I come out
after ministering to them,
00:47:48.80\00:47:51.77
it's a spiritual
high that only you can get
00:47:51.80\00:47:55.07
when you give yourself away
to someone else who's in need.
00:47:55.10\00:47:59.44
It's part of the gospel.
00:47:59.47\00:48:03.28
It's a high that no drug
can even compared to you.
00:48:03.35\00:48:05.98
Amen.
00:48:06.01\00:48:07.35
Because it lasts
forever and ever.
00:48:07.42\00:48:09.65
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:09.68\00:48:12.42
Bill, what about you?
00:48:12.45\00:48:15.06
Well, I can agree with him.
00:48:15.09\00:48:17.79
And it's a blessing.
00:48:17.83\00:48:20.60
They will bless
you that are in prison.
00:48:20.63\00:48:23.47
You're not only
blessing, but it returns.
00:48:23.50\00:48:27.24
Sometimes it returns tenfold.
00:48:27.27\00:48:30.64
And you could sit there
00:48:30.71\00:48:32.87
and just praise
God and be thankful.
00:48:32.91\00:48:37.45
Amen.
00:48:37.48\00:48:38.81
Isn't it incredible how
you go into say a prison
00:48:38.85\00:48:42.05
or even if you're
feeding the homeless
00:48:42.08\00:48:44.49
or whatever the case may be,
00:48:44.52\00:48:46.35
but you go to be a blessing
00:48:46.39\00:48:47.72
and then you
come out more blessed
00:48:47.76\00:48:49.36
than what you think they
might be now at this point.
00:48:49.39\00:48:52.16
Amen. Amen.
00:48:52.19\00:48:53.53
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:53.60\00:48:54.93
It was better to
give than receive.
00:48:54.96\00:48:56.30
Absolutely.
00:48:56.33\00:48:57.67
It'd be packed
down and overflowing.
00:48:57.70\00:48:59.03
What are some of the
questions that you guys receive
00:49:03.00\00:49:05.67
when you go into the prisons?
00:49:05.71\00:49:09.48
Well, sometimes
you'll have an inmate
00:49:09.51\00:49:11.58
who'll try to get
you to call their family.
00:49:11.61\00:49:13.52
Okay.
00:49:13.55\00:49:14.88
Which we're not allowed
to do because you volunteer.
00:49:14.92\00:49:17.62
But there's ways of doing that,
00:49:17.65\00:49:19.09
you get someone
who's not a volunteer
00:49:19.12\00:49:21.02
to make the phone call,
00:49:21.06\00:49:22.39
because you see,
00:49:22.42\00:49:23.76
there's another
outreach right there.
00:49:23.83\00:49:25.39
Every inmate has a
family, or wife or children.
00:49:25.43\00:49:30.20
So community
service and prison ministry
00:49:30.27\00:49:32.80
go hand in hand,
00:49:32.83\00:49:34.54
because there's
needs of the family
00:49:34.57\00:49:36.17
as well as the inmate.
00:49:36.20\00:49:38.24
And I hate to say it
00:49:38.27\00:49:39.61
when someone's doing
time, the family is too.
00:49:39.64\00:49:42.31
Absolutely.
00:49:42.34\00:49:43.68
Unpack that a little bit? Yeah.
00:49:43.75\00:49:45.08
Well, right now in
South Carolina alone,
00:49:45.11\00:49:49.92
they don't pay inmates anymore,
they stopped that years ago.
00:49:49.95\00:49:52.45
Wow!
00:49:52.49\00:49:53.86
I mean, when I was doing time,
00:49:53.89\00:49:55.62
they used to give you $5
00:49:55.66\00:49:57.16
and some change every two weeks.
00:49:57.23\00:49:59.29
So you can buy some
soap or shampoo, but now no.
00:49:59.33\00:50:03.13
So the only way
that an inmate gets money
00:50:03.16\00:50:06.23
is from individuals like
you and I to send them money.
00:50:06.27\00:50:09.30
Wow!
00:50:09.34\00:50:10.71
And the state
also does this too.
00:50:10.74\00:50:13.58
They charge them to go
see a doctor in there now,
00:50:13.61\00:50:16.54
and they have to pay
for their medication.
00:50:16.58\00:50:19.58
They charge them
to go to a doctor?
00:50:19.61\00:50:20.95
Yes. Yes.
00:50:20.98\00:50:22.55
But then they
don't pay them to work.
00:50:22.58\00:50:24.42
Correct.
00:50:24.45\00:50:25.82
What's wrong with that picture?
00:50:25.85\00:50:27.36
So you, I mean, you
could just die in there
00:50:27.39\00:50:29.89
if you can't afford to get it.
00:50:29.92\00:50:31.56
Well, true, but what it is
00:50:31.59\00:50:35.60
they're stacking
up a financial bill
00:50:35.63\00:50:38.23
or debt on that inmate
00:50:38.27\00:50:40.07
so when he gets out,
00:50:40.14\00:50:42.37
he's got to pay the
medical expense bill
00:50:42.40\00:50:45.47
of being in there.
00:50:45.51\00:50:46.98
And they are trying to
say that crime don't pay,
00:50:47.01\00:50:49.51
but you're not teaching them
00:50:49.54\00:50:52.01
that crime don't pay
when you're teaching them,
00:50:52.05\00:50:54.98
you're more or less,
you hold back not the wages
00:50:55.02\00:50:57.59
of the laborers
what the Bible says.
00:50:57.62\00:51:00.16
So you're gonna work
somebody and not paying him?
00:51:00.19\00:51:01.69
Yeah.
00:51:01.72\00:51:03.06
That's not a...
that's not a good.
00:51:03.09\00:51:04.86
I know they broke the law.
00:51:04.89\00:51:06.33
But again, you're
supposed to be rehabilitating,
00:51:06.36\00:51:08.76
not getting
them to go backwards.
00:51:08.80\00:51:11.23
Yeah.
00:51:11.27\00:51:12.60
You need to pay
someone who works
00:51:12.63\00:51:14.77
and even the Bible says so.
00:51:14.80\00:51:17.31
Our prisons aren't
00:51:17.34\00:51:19.17
near as severe as they are
00:51:19.21\00:51:21.24
in Third World Nations.
00:51:21.28\00:51:23.08
Yeah. Yes.
00:51:23.11\00:51:24.45
In Thailand, it's a pit
00:51:24.48\00:51:27.05
and everything
flows to the bottom.
00:51:27.12\00:51:28.95
Wow!
00:51:28.98\00:51:30.32
And the one that
committed the worst crime
00:51:30.39\00:51:32.85
is at the bottom.
00:51:32.89\00:51:34.29
Wow!
00:51:34.32\00:51:35.96
In Korea, they got
four walls, no roof.
00:51:35.99\00:51:40.80
The cells are on
the inside of the wall.
00:51:40.83\00:51:43.37
They're open to
the elements. Wow!
00:51:43.40\00:51:45.93
If you get over
00:51:45.97\00:51:47.34
a four year
prison term in Korea,
00:51:47.37\00:51:49.44
it's a death penalty.
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Wow!
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Yes. Yeah.
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Some harsh
sentences out there for sure.
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We've got to go
to the address role.
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We are going to show you
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how you can get
in touch with them
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and support the ministry,
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and then we'll go
to a brief news break
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and we'll be right back.
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If you feel impressed to support
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the Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries
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and their passion for
those who are incarcerated,
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you can do so by contacting them
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at Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries,
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PO Box 945,
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Ladson, South Carolina 29456.
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That's Carolina
Conference Prison Ministries,
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PO Box 945,
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Ladson, L-A-D-S-O-N,
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South Carolina 29456
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or you can go to their website,
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CarolinaPrisonMinistries.com.
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