I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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- Hello, friends!
Welcome to 3ABN Today. My name
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is John Lomacang; but
if you're a part of our
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family, you already
know that. Want to thank you
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for your prayers and
financial support of this
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network as we continue
going and growing, getting
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ready for the coming
of our Lord. Today is a
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particularly interesting
program. You've heard
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about missions; and
when we talk about missions,
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we often think about the
Philippines, the islands,
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someplace in
Europe, someplace in Africa,
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someplace in the
Middle East...but what about
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missions here in
America? And today's program is
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going to take you to
a particular location in
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America where, maybe
for whatever unknown reason,
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missions have almost
been completely overlooked in
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a very particular
people group in our nation, and
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we're going to highlight
that today with our guest.
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So hit the record button
right now, I would encourage
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you, because I know
that you might be challenged
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to participate in some
way in getting the gospel
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not just to the
world, but right here in the
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United States of
America! I have with me today a
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very good friend of
mine. I want to introduce him
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right now: Dr. Leon
Brown, good to have you here.
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We were pastors in the
Northern California Conference
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together. - Yeah, we were.
Yeah. - You pastor the church
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I pastored, we were in ministry
together, and you are now
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the president of the Nevada-Utah
Conference. - Yes. - Good to
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have you here today. -
Great to be here, John. - Yeah.
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So, I always appreciate
your ministry and your
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family, your wife and all
your children, so it's good
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to see that God is prospering
you in that beautiful snow-free-
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[laughter] pretty much
snow-free region of the
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world. - Well, not in Reno,
but for the most part in...
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in the other parts. Well,
we got Salt Lake City, too,
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so there's a lot of
snow in Salt Lake City, so...
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- Oh, that's true; that's
true. But are you enjoying
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the weather there? - I
love it. I love Nevada-Utah.
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It's the most amazing
place. I tell them it's
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the greatest hidden secret
in the work in North America,
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so I just love it. -
And then you have access to
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the canyons and all the
beautiful red rocks, and
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Monument Valley? -
Yes; yes. Monument Valley-
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and then that's why we're
here today. Monument Valley,
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we've got all of Utah,
which is some of the most
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beautiful places I've seen...
And so it's great. It's great
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to be here. - And
to your immediate right
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is Nancy Crosby. Good
to have you here, Nancy.
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- Thank you. - You've
been here before, haven't you?
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- Yes. - And we're glad
to have you back. - Thank
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you. - And just for
our viewers and listeners,
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tell us briefly, in a
nutshell, what you do and where
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you're from. - So, I'm
from Page, Arizona, and
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I'm the Native Ministries
coordinator for the Pacific
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Union. So, the focus is on
Native Ministries, but today
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we want to focus in on
the Navajo Nation within
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the Pacific Union. -
Okay. Good to have you here
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again. - Thank you. -
And to your immediate right,
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I think a first-timer here
on our set, is Pastor James
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Crosby. Am I correct to
assume that is your husband?
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- Yes. - Okay. Good
to have you here, Pastor.
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- Thank you. It's good to
be here. - Now, I've already
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told the viewers and listeners
you're a pastor, but give
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us a little bit more in
a nutshell of what you do
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and kind of your influence
and reference to this program
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today. - Okay. I've been
a pastor in Page, Arizona
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for over four years now.
That was my first experience
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working with Navajos; and
of course, Page is what we
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call a border town on the
edge of the Navajo Nation.
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And here just this
year, we've added the Kayenta
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church to my district,
which is more in the heart
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of the Navajo Nation. -
Mhm. And so, we're going to talk
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about that in more
detail during the program. So,
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you do want to stay tuned
to hear more about how the
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work is going, how it is
needing a boost, how it's
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restarting, and how
the Lord is going to reach,
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because the Bible guarantees
the gospel of the Kingdom
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will be preached in
all the world. That does
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not exclude the
Navajo Nation. I think it's a
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perfect setup for the
song that we have here today.
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Scott Michael Bennett...
It's a song called, "Go
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Light Your World." That's
the intent of this program
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today: to light the
world- even among the Navajo
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Nation. Enjoy this song as
we prepare for the program.
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There is a candle in every soul
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Some brightly
burning, but some dark and cold
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There is a Spirit
Who brings the fire
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Ignites the
candle and makes His home
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So carry your
candle; run to the darkness
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Seek out the
hopeless, confused, and torn
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And hold out your
candle for all to see it
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Oh, take your candle
and go light your world
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Take your candle,
and go light your world
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Frustrated brother,
see how he's tried to
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Light his own
candle some other way
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See now your sister,
she's been robbed and lied to
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She still holds a
candle without a flame
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So carry your
candle; run to the darkness
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And seek out the
lonely, the tired and worn
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Hold out your
candle for all to see it
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Take your candle,
and go light your world
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Take your candle
and go light your world
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We are a family
whose hearts are blazing
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So let's raise our
candles and light up the sky
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Praying to our
Father in the name of Jesus
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Make us a beacon
in the darkest night
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Carry your candle;
run to the darkness
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Seek out the
helpless, deceived, and poor
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Hold out your
candle for all to see it
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Oh, take your candle,
and go light your world
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Take your candle;
go light your world
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Take your candle
and go light your world
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Go light your world
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Go light your world
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- Thank you so much,
Scott. What an appropriate song
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for this program. You
know, the light of the
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gospel is to not just
light your neighborhood or your
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community, but to light
the world...but there is
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a silent and
sometimes almost invisible world
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right in our backyard-
right in our front door.
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And we can inadvertently
sometimes forget that
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they're there. It could
be your neighbor, it could
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be your friend,
people that you work with...
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or it could be a people
that are disenfranchised,
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disconnected from the
normal rounds of life,
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and we just think that
maybe they don't matter.
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Today, our guests are
shining the spotlight,
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as it were, lighting the
world of the Navajo Nation,
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because they are also a
people. And if you think
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about the history of America,
they were here before the
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Pilgrims were out here.
So, this really, in fact,
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is their world from
coast to coast, north to south,
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east, and west. And so
God is calling the Nevada-
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Utah Conference under the
direction of Dr. Leon Brown
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to push and reignite
the passion for getting
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the gospel among the Navajo
Nation-and I want to thank
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the Crosbys for being
here today. But Pastor
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Brown, begin; kind
of give us-and each one
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of you can
contribute to that-give us some
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of the history of the
ministry to the Navajo
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Nation. How far back does
it go? And maybe, who were
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some of the pioneers in
this work? - Yeah. Well,
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we have... When we started
this work, we looked back,
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and it was about...
1940, 1950s is when we realized
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the work began, and it
all began through a couple,
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a family-the Walters
family. In fact, well,
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brother Walters, Pastor
Walters is retired- is a
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former pastor of
ours, and now he's retired.
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But his dad actually started
the work on the reservation,
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and he started by starting
Holbrook School on another
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reservation. And then
he moved from that to the
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Monument Valley area
where they began to work there.
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Then Loma Linda came out;
Loma Linda started a hospital.
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So, we had a hospital and
a clinic there. And in those
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days, the need was important.
There was no hospital, there
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was no school, so we
had a school out there. But
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as time progressed,
the Navajo tribe themselves
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created schools and began to
create clinics and hospitals.
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So, the need has
changed. And so what we're doing
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right now is we're now
beginning to refocus the
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mission from what it
was to what is should be in
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this era. So, that's kind
of where we are right now.
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We've seen the past, we've
seen how successful it was,
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but the hospital
closed back in, what, 1996,
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and now we're having to
move and transition to a
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better, more
effective ministry to the Navajo
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people. - Okay.
Anything else, Nancy, on that?
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- Well, I would just like
to say that the needs were
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so great. When the Walters
family came, they just had
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a station wagon. They
were working out of the back of
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a station wagon.
There were no paved roads.
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But still today, we
find that there are hardly
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any paved roads. Over
1/3 of the Navajo Nation
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does not have electricity
or plumbing in their homes.
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No running water,
no electricity! And so,
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what we see is a nation-
and I think we may have a
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slide for this that
shows the size of the Navajo
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Nation... - Yeah,
let's look at that slide.
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- And it's the size of
Vermont, New Hampshire,
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and Massachusetts
all combined. - Hm. - And
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yet, as you look at that
space of the size of three
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states, there's only
13 grocery stores. - Wow.
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- Just 13 grocery
stores, so we have a very high
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rate of food
insecurity. We have a town- for
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example: Reno,
Nevada. They have 60 grocery
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stores in Reno. - Just in
Reno. - Just that city of Reno!
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[simultaneous
chatter] Exactly. And then we
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have this area, the
size of three states, that
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only has 13 grocery
stores, and we still have many
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dirt roads-so very
difficult for people. Some can't
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drive to get to
food. So, one of the things
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that we have in Page is
we've started a community
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garden, a
greenhouse and a garden, which
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is something that we're
hoping to also move into
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on the Kayenta
mission site, as well, to help
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people have that
fresh produce locally. - Hm.
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- Because we have a
rate of 18-20% of diabetes on
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the Navajo Nation,
as well. - Wow. So not
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only are there food insecurities
but when it comes to health
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and understanding
health and what to eat and what
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not to eat, that also is
a challenge so that people
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can be in their traditional
practices-or even, maybe,
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what's available to
them. They're just an unhealthy
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people. And not just
spiritually, but also
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sometimes physically.
- You can understand,
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too: this is
actually a nation, so this is
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the other part where
we sometimes when we-
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...When I first got here,
the thing I didn't realize
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is this is an actual
nation state within the United
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States. They've got their
own capital in Window Rock.
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So when you work with
them, the Navajo people,
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you can't just walk
in and say, "We're going
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to do whatever we
want." We've gotta go through
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the government. -
Through the government. - Yeah,
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actual government, and
so we've got to go to...
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Whenever we need to work,
we work with the government
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in Window Rock. - A nation
within a nation. - It is a
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nation within a
nation. - Exactly. - Wow, wow.
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- Yeah. It's as large
as we have- and we need
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to spend more time focusing
on this. We do mission work
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around the globe, and
we've got this mission
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right in the middle of
the United States, covering
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all of these
different states (and unions
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for the church), and
we've got to begin to focus in
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on that. - Wow; wow. -
With third world country
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living conditions, seriously...
And because of, like you
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mentioned, those
health challenges, spiritual
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challenges, abuse is
very high. - Yeah. - On the
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Navajo Nation, we have
5 children, John, every
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day that die from abuse
or neglect. If that happened
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in any one, say, city
or something, we would be
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scrambling to find
the solutions; and yet, as
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you've mentioned, it's
kind of a forgotten people-
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a neglected, forgotten
group. - So, we have a lot to do
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when it comes to refocusing.
- Yes. - Sometimes we're
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looking across the borders-
I'm gonna use that phrase-
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to wonder how we could
protect our nation, but
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then we have a nation
in a nation. I'm glad you
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mentioned that, 'cause
it's not just a people;
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it's a nation: their
own government, their own
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establishment. You have
to walk through a government
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to get involved; you just
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don't show up
without any kind of prior
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invitation. I gotta
pass this to Pastor Crosby
00:16:06.56\00:16:11.30
there, because
now... What are some of the
00:16:11.43\00:16:14.27
challenges you find
because you're working with the
00:16:14.34\00:16:17.44
Nevada-Utah
Conference? And also, what other
00:16:17.54\00:16:20.31
conference? You had
put in two conferences-
00:16:20.41\00:16:22.44
- The Arizona Conference.
- Arizona Conference.
00:16:22.51\00:16:23.85
Because the territories
are... overlinked, synonymous,
00:16:23.88\00:16:27.82
so vast. Beautiful country,
but what are some of the
00:16:27.92\00:16:30.25
challenges you find as
you work with the Navajo
00:16:30.32\00:16:34.12
Nation? - Well, one
of the things I've seen a
00:16:34.22\00:16:40.70
lot with people I've worked
with, the spiritual battle is
00:16:40.80\00:16:44.60
very real for them. And
I think in our American,
00:16:44.70\00:16:49.87
our industrial
culture, whatever you want to
00:16:50.01\00:16:53.27
call it, we forget
that- and there are some of
00:16:53.41\00:16:57.55
them that forget that,
as well. But many of them-
00:16:57.65\00:16:59.61
it's very real.
People that have come by,
00:16:59.71\00:17:02.45
just wanting
prayer... There was a lady that
00:17:02.55\00:17:06.25
came just a few weeks
ago to the church, and
00:17:06.35\00:17:10.73
she just wanted prayer,
and she's telling me about
00:17:10.83\00:17:12.36
the other places she went
to, seeking help. And she's
00:17:12.46\00:17:16.23
telling me, "They
don't understand." You know,
00:17:16.30\00:17:18.53
when she tells about
the spiritual struggle she's
00:17:18.63\00:17:20.47
going through, it's
like, "They're willing to help
00:17:20.57\00:17:22.57
with this and that, but
they can't pray like you
00:17:22.67\00:17:25.04
can." That was
actually the second time she had
00:17:25.11\00:17:28.98
been there; it's
like, a year before, she had
00:17:29.08\00:17:30.98
stopped by. But I've met
so many people like that,
00:17:31.08\00:17:33.75
people struggling with
spiritual battles, demon
00:17:33.85\00:17:38.39
harassment, and even
demon possession. These
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things are real for
them out on the reservation.
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- So their cultural practices
also could be a hindrance
00:17:44.26\00:17:47.80
to, now, you take them
from their traditions that
00:17:47.86\00:17:50.93
probably go back a
long way. - Yes. - Easily,
00:17:51.03\00:17:54.90
centuries. You take them
from their traditions, and
00:17:54.97\00:17:57.84
then you merge the gospel
with the traditions. So you're
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dealing with things
like the demon possession,
00:18:02.18\00:18:03.85
whatever other practices...
How do you find that bridge?
00:18:05.15\00:18:08.98
I mean, what
effective ways are you able to
00:18:09.05\00:18:12.19
cross over that, if I
can use, chasm and get the
00:18:12.25\00:18:16.56
gospel to people that
are so traditionally steeped
00:18:16.62\00:18:19.19
in some areas? - Wow,
that's... Yeah, for me,
00:18:19.23\00:18:24.57
I've spent a lot of
time praying with people,
00:18:24.70\00:18:26.47
encouraging them.
And when you talk about
00:18:27.57\00:18:30.11
tradition and...
It's amazing how easily
00:18:30.17\00:18:35.51
they accept the bad things
that white people bring to
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them and how hard it is
for them to accept the good
00:18:39.41\00:18:43.42
that we try to bring
to them. But consistency,
00:18:44.39\00:18:49.79
always there, making an
effort...it seems to take
00:18:49.92\00:18:53.60
time to establish some
trust there before they're
00:18:53.70\00:18:57.37
willing to really accept
anything that would actually
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make a change in their
life. - Okay. You're talking
00:18:59.57\00:19:02.44
about transitioning...
- Let me add something-
00:19:02.50\00:19:04.27
and Pastor just said
something I think that's
00:19:04.37\00:19:06.44
important. With the Navajo
Nation, there are two things
00:19:06.51\00:19:08.41
that we identified. I
saw: #1) it's hard for
00:19:08.48\00:19:13.45
the Navajo culture
to just trust. And a lot
00:19:13.52\00:19:16.45
of times, we go in
and we go out, and it's a
00:19:16.55\00:19:21.06
matter of us... We set
up a ministry, and we're
00:19:21.12\00:19:23.69
in for a few minutes,
and we're out. With Navajo
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culture, it takes a little
longer for them to actually
00:19:25.79\00:19:27.56
trust you. You've
gotta be there for years for
00:19:27.66\00:19:30.40
the people to actually
believe that you really
00:19:30.47\00:19:33.90
care and you're
concerned about them; and that's
00:19:34.00\00:19:35.84
one of the things we're
thinking about now as we
00:19:35.94\00:19:37.51
look towards the
future. We need people who are
00:19:37.57\00:19:39.34
going to be on the res
and they're going to be
00:19:39.41\00:19:41.94
there for not a year
or two years, but there
00:19:42.01\00:19:44.48
for a longer period
of time, because that's
00:19:44.55\00:19:46.41
what they need. The
other thing that we need is the
00:19:46.51\00:19:50.15
fact that we don't want
to just give them ministry
00:19:50.22\00:19:55.39
that is
unsuccessful; we're committed to
00:19:55.49\00:19:57.89
doing ministry that is
powerful, ministry that
00:19:57.96\00:20:00.73
is appropriate, ministry
that is effective-and not
00:20:00.83\00:20:04.83
just give... We want to
give them our very best,
00:20:04.93\00:20:06.27
basically, is what we
want to do, and that's
00:20:06.37\00:20:07.84
the kind of thing
that we're focused on right
00:20:07.94\00:20:09.94
now, and that's why
we're here!-to tell the world
00:20:10.01\00:20:11.61
that from now on as we
go into the ministry. That's
00:20:11.71\00:20:13.84
what they did in
the beginning, and going
00:20:13.91\00:20:15.31
forward, that's what
we want to do: we want to
00:20:15.41\00:20:16.78
give our very best to
the Navajo families that
00:20:16.88\00:20:19.41
are there. - So it takes
a long-term time to build
00:20:19.55\00:20:21.28
that relationship;
they want to know that this
00:20:21.38\00:20:22.72
is not a program,
but a relationship first.
00:20:22.78\00:20:25.59
- Yes. - Okay, that's really
where relationship evangelism
00:20:25.69\00:20:27.99
comes in. - And
that's why I'm so grateful
00:20:28.12\00:20:29.82
for this couple,
because they're committed to the
00:20:29.92\00:20:32.26
work of God. They
are hard workers; and I
00:20:32.36\00:20:37.07
love them, because it
takes a unique personality
00:20:37.17\00:20:40.07
and character to be able to
go out, live in a reservation,
00:20:40.17\00:20:42.90
and to actually care
about the people that are there.
00:20:43.00\00:20:45.07
- Mhm. Nancy? - And I
think one of the challenges
00:20:45.17\00:20:48.04
that we initially
have found is we come to
00:20:48.14\00:20:53.18
pastor a church or a mission,
and all of a sudden we realize,
00:20:53.28\00:20:56.79
"We're in another country!"
Really; literally. So, that's
00:20:57.69\00:21:01.16
something that we have
had to wade through, and so
00:21:01.22\00:21:04.03
you come in and you have
your ideas of the typical
00:21:04.13\00:21:06.53
way you're going to reach
out. We didn't realize that
00:21:06.59\00:21:09.86
at midnight at our door
would be people knocking
00:21:10.90\00:21:14.57
that are demon-harassed,
that need prayer. And last
00:21:14.64\00:21:19.14
summer, an exciting
thing happened. We had our
00:21:19.21\00:21:21.74
plans, but parents started
saying to us, "Our children
00:21:21.84\00:21:26.58
have nothing to do
in the summer because
00:21:26.65\00:21:28.35
there's no school.
And what are they going to
00:21:28.42\00:21:31.05
eat?" Because they don't
have the free lunch programs
00:21:31.12\00:21:33.86
in the school, and the schools
send backpacks home for the
00:21:33.99\00:21:36.56
weekend so those children
have food to eat, or they
00:21:36.66\00:21:38.96
will not eat. And
so, parents are saying,
00:21:39.06\00:21:41.80
"Our kids have
nothing to do in the summer.
00:21:42.90\00:21:44.77
We need something for
our children." So we said-
00:21:45.63\00:21:47.40
we literally had weeks,
and we said, "We're going
00:21:48.07\00:21:51.81
to do a day camp. We're
going to have a day camp
00:21:51.91\00:21:53.78
from 8 to 4:30,
Monday through Thursday, for
00:21:53.84\00:21:57.65
these children so they
have a place to be that's
00:21:57.75\00:22:00.32
safe and they're learning."
And this summer, second
00:22:00.38\00:22:05.25
year in, we have a waiting
list of children. We did not
00:22:05.39\00:22:09.86
even have enough people to
help us. It's just amazing.
00:22:09.96\00:22:15.93
We had three
children homeless, and the mom
00:22:16.03\00:22:19.47
said, "I need a job.
And if I go and get a job,
00:22:19.53\00:22:22.17
my kids will just be on
the street all day because
00:22:22.27\00:22:24.47
I don't have a home
for them to be, and I need
00:22:24.54\00:22:26.34
this day camp for my
children." Do you know
00:22:26.44\00:22:29.31
that last week-and
this just makes me tear up-
00:22:29.41\00:22:32.91
because the mom said,
she said, "What time are
00:22:32.98\00:22:38.69
your services at your church?"
And in my heart for the last
00:22:38.79\00:22:42.56
few years, I've always
known that the way that God was
00:22:42.62\00:22:46.80
calling us to reach
these people is through their
00:22:46.90\00:22:50.37
children. And we're
seeing it happen right before
00:22:50.43\00:22:53.97
our eyes! And these children,
they go, they have fun,
00:22:54.04\00:22:57.01
we do some literacy
things to keep them updated with
00:22:57.11\00:23:00.01
their school and
things, but we go out and have
00:23:00.11\00:23:02.11
fun! We go take them swimming,
we take them on field trips,
00:23:02.18\00:23:04.38
we take them out
into the garden and teach
00:23:05.95\00:23:08.08
them how to garden, and
they pick their food and
00:23:08.18\00:23:10.32
bring it in, and then
we show them how to make
00:23:10.45\00:23:12.15
food so they can do
it at home. So, it's just
00:23:12.25\00:23:15.62
very exciting to see how
God is working through the
00:23:15.72\00:23:19.36
gardening and with
the children, because we
00:23:19.46\00:23:22.13
have an epidemic on
the Navajo Nation. I don't
00:23:22.20\00:23:26.33
know the exact statistics
as far as alcoholism, but
00:23:26.43\00:23:30.04
it's very high.
We're talking 50-60%. It's
00:23:30.14\00:23:34.24
very, very high; and if
we can just prevent these
00:23:34.34\00:23:37.25
precious children of getting
into those bad habits, that's
00:23:37.35\00:23:41.85
where we'll have the
chance to change these people.
00:23:41.95\00:23:44.22
- Wow. You know,
you talked about the 13
00:23:44.29\00:23:46.22
grocery stores. I
wonder how many of them carry
00:23:46.32\00:23:48.86
alcohol. - Well, the irony
of it is that the reservation
00:23:49.02\00:23:53.16
is dry. You're not supposed
to sell alcohol at all, but
00:23:53.23\00:23:56.36
somehow, alcohol gets into
the res, and that's a whole
00:23:56.46\00:24:01.20
'nother story. - Do
they have casinos out there?
00:24:01.30\00:24:03.87
I don't know if that's
been the case. - Navajo
00:24:03.94\00:24:05.74
Nation does have a
few, but it's very, very-
00:24:05.84\00:24:09.01
it's not like other tribes.
- Okay. - That is not a common-
00:24:09.08\00:24:13.11
- Not close to where
we're at, no. So they have one
00:24:13.21\00:24:15.68
down by Flagstaff, a
pretty good size one, but it's a
00:24:15.78\00:24:19.05
good ways from where
we're at. - So you have
00:24:19.15\00:24:21.42
this valley, and I'm
going to use the phrase,
00:24:21.52\00:24:22.86
"Monument Valley." My
mind is just picturing this
00:24:22.92\00:24:26.13
vast openness where when
you wake up in the morning-
00:24:26.23\00:24:30.37
there was a picture we
had on the facility that-
00:24:30.43\00:24:32.43
where is that facility
located? - That facility
00:24:32.53\00:24:35.60
is actually located
in Kayenta. That is our
00:24:35.70\00:24:38.81
current mission headquarters
with Nevada-Utah-yes?-
00:24:38.87\00:24:43.95
and yes, you can see
the vast open. - Yeah. - So,
00:24:44.65\00:24:48.88
let me kind of transition
us. In the last couple of
00:24:48.98\00:24:53.05
years, what we've done
is we've transitioned away
00:24:53.12\00:24:56.39
from the Monument Valley
to Kayenta, and there are
00:24:56.49\00:25:01.23
reasons that that
occurred. As we began to... Our
00:25:01.33\00:25:05.90
executive committee-
and I praise God for our
00:25:06.00\00:25:07.94
executive committee
and our leadership team-we
00:25:08.04\00:25:10.17
spent countless dollars
and hours and union in Monument
00:25:10.27\00:25:14.04
Valley, trying to reignite,
as it were, the mission
00:25:14.14\00:25:17.81
that was there when the
Walters were there. - Hm.
00:25:17.91\00:25:20.28
- And every-this is
the most amazing-everything
00:25:20.98\00:25:23.62
that we did almost seemed
as if it didn't work out. We
00:25:23.72\00:25:27.22
prayed, we fasted, we did
everything we could. - Doors
00:25:27.32\00:25:29.32
would shut in our faces.
- Yep. The church flooded
00:25:29.39\00:25:31.23
twice last, in the
middle of the desert, the church
00:25:31.33\00:25:34.46
flooded twice. And so
we literally had to close
00:25:34.56\00:25:38.03
the door of the church
because it became unsafe.
00:25:38.13\00:25:39.93
Our leases- we
found out about Monument
00:25:40.04\00:25:42.90
Valley that our
leases that we thought we had
00:25:43.00\00:25:44.64
we didn't have. - Hm.
- So there was a whole
00:25:44.71\00:25:47.74
lot of things that happened.
We had a lot of ups and we
00:25:47.84\00:25:50.28
had a lot of downs, we
had a school out there;
00:25:50.38\00:25:52.41
and finally, we
decided, based on all the things
00:25:52.55\00:25:55.35
that were going on,
that we would close the doors
00:25:55.45\00:25:57.12
for that and we would reignite
our mission in the Kayenta
00:25:57.25\00:25:59.72
area. So the building
you saw in that picture
00:25:59.85\00:26:01.29
is where we moved our
mission to-to Kayenta.
00:26:01.39\00:26:04.09
- And how far is
that from Monument Valley?
00:26:04.19\00:26:05.89
- What's it
about-30 minutes? - A little
00:26:05.99\00:26:08.10
less. - Yeah, about 30
minutes. - Okay, so it's
00:26:08.20\00:26:10.20
still within the
region. - So here's the thing-
00:26:10.27\00:26:11.93
yeah! And so what's-
and this is the thing!
00:26:12.03\00:26:13.50
Monument Valley is in
Utah, and Kayenta's in
00:26:13.60\00:26:17.34
Arizona. So Nevada-Utah
has literally four states
00:26:17.44\00:26:20.41
because of this. We
had one church, and that's
00:26:20.54\00:26:22.34
that Kayenta church you
just saw on the reservations.
00:26:22.44\00:26:25.75
So, the reservation covers
more than one state. - Wow.
00:26:25.85\00:26:28.98
- Yeah. So, we're
moving our work away from that
00:26:29.05\00:26:32.59
to the Kayenta area. And
right now, we want to make
00:26:32.69\00:26:37.16
the focus on that. But
the thing that we're doing
00:26:37.26\00:26:39.36
now which is so important
is we're not just going
00:26:39.46\00:26:41.86
walking in and
saying, "We're going to start
00:26:41.96\00:26:43.30
a school, we're going
to go in and do"... We're
00:26:43.33\00:26:45.37
going to need to
identify what their needs are in
00:26:45.47\00:26:47.70
that community, and
then meet that need. - Right,
00:26:47.77\00:26:50.07
because you can't
just go in and say, "Well,
00:26:50.17\00:26:51.51
here's what we're offering."
You might be answering
00:26:51.57\00:26:53.27
questions they're
not even asking. - Well,
00:26:53.38\00:26:55.38
that's what we've traditionally
done. This time, we don't want
00:26:55.44\00:26:57.18
to do that. We want to
do it the right way. We
00:26:57.25\00:26:58.75
want to be effective
in the way we do ministry.
00:26:58.81\00:27:00.15
So now, we're going
to go out and determine
00:27:00.18\00:27:01.88
what is needed. So,
we're talking to North American
00:27:01.98\00:27:04.59
Division, we're talking
to the General Conference-
00:27:04.69\00:27:07.12
we're talking to everyone
to try to find out ways-
00:27:07.22\00:27:08.79
talking to our
schools, Loma Linda, and all
00:27:08.89\00:27:10.79
different places to try
to find- get used to tools
00:27:10.89\00:27:13.19
to be able to enhance
our ministry. - Now, the
00:27:13.26\00:27:15.80
picture we just
saw... What do you do in that
00:27:15.90\00:27:17.90
facility? - You want
to talk about it, Pastor?
00:27:17.97\00:27:19.97
- That facility was
actually built to be a community
00:27:21.17\00:27:27.64
center. So it has rooms
in it, it has a kitchen in
00:27:27.74\00:27:30.95
it...and where the
house is was supposed to be
00:27:31.01\00:27:34.62
where the sanctuary was
going to be built. So, it
00:27:34.72\00:27:37.25
ended up, they didn't
follow the original plan.
00:27:37.35\00:27:39.12
- Now is that the house
on the- the blue building?
00:27:39.22\00:27:41.49
- It'd be on the
left, the way I'm looking
00:27:41.59\00:27:43.26
at the picture. - Mm. -
And so, the main building
00:27:43.32\00:27:46.46
there, there is a good
size room there where we do
00:27:46.56\00:27:48.43
meet and have church. - Okay!
- But it was intended to be a
00:27:48.53\00:27:52.33
community center, possibly
a school, and things like
00:27:52.40\00:27:56.91
that. So, it could
be used multifunctional.
00:27:57.01\00:27:59.27
- And one of the
things that we just recently
00:28:00.54\00:28:02.71
had a mission group come
and plant 30 fruit and nut
00:28:02.81\00:28:06.72
trees on the property.
Obviously, it's a desert.
00:28:06.82\00:28:09.95
- Right, I was going
to ask about that; where
00:28:10.05\00:28:11.62
do you get the hydration?
How do you keep that...
00:28:11.69\00:28:13.32
[laughter] - Yeah. So
we have been doing some
00:28:13.42\00:28:16.02
experimenting on the
things that will grow
00:28:16.09\00:28:18.79
the best in the
desert with the least amount
00:28:18.93\00:28:20.80
of water; but if we
are going to have something
00:28:20.93\00:28:24.40
planted on the
desert, we want something that
00:28:24.50\00:28:26.23
will bear fruit. -
Right! - And, just so you know,
00:28:26.33\00:28:30.91
Kayenta is located in a
county that has the highest
00:28:31.01\00:28:35.04
food insecurities in
the entire United States.
00:28:35.11\00:28:38.91
- Hm! Now, you mentioned
food insecurities. - Yes.
00:28:39.01\00:28:41.78
- Amplify that, 'cause
I'm thinking of scarcity,
00:28:41.85\00:28:45.02
but... - Yes. And
scarcity is one of those things
00:28:45.12\00:28:47.69
that is part of it. The other
part is getting to that food-
00:28:47.79\00:28:53.16
being able to get on
that food. So when you think
00:28:53.26\00:28:55.56
of an area that is,
you know, the size of three
00:28:55.66\00:28:59.27
states, and you live
in that area and there's
00:28:59.33\00:29:02.90
only 13 grocery
stores, the likelihood that one
00:29:02.97\00:29:05.04
of those is close to
you is very unlikely. - And
00:29:05.14\00:29:07.81
then what about supply?
- Exactly. The fresh food
00:29:07.91\00:29:11.15
is fresh fruits and vegetables;
that is particularly the most
00:29:11.88\00:29:16.32
difficult thing for them
to get. So they are randomly
00:29:16.42\00:29:20.56
scattered about. You
wouldn't call them grocery
00:29:20.66\00:29:22.86
stores; we call
them trading posts or by
00:29:22.92\00:29:24.66
the little chapter
houses, and so there they can
00:29:24.76\00:29:28.46
find chips, they
can find soda pop, they
00:29:28.56\00:29:31.67
can find candy bars,
but not... - Junk food type
00:29:31.77\00:29:35.00
food. - Exactly. Not
that healthy food that they
00:29:35.10\00:29:37.81
need. - Like the
broccoli and the carrots and all
00:29:37.91\00:29:39.27
of... - Exactly. -
You know what's amazing
00:29:39.37\00:29:40.71
to me about this whole
thing, and I think that
00:29:40.74\00:29:42.08
all of you see this,
is where you're located
00:29:42.11\00:29:45.98
is not far from a state,
California, where most of
00:29:46.05\00:29:51.09
the fruits and vegetables
are just flooding the nation.
00:29:51.19\00:29:54.26
And I think that
maybe as you talked about,
00:29:54.36\00:29:57.13
we're talking to different
unions and different...
00:29:57.26\00:29:58.86
North American Division.
One of those, maybe part
00:29:58.93\00:30:03.06
of your plan, is how to
get these places stocked.
00:30:03.16\00:30:06.37
I know it's huge,
because you're part of a nation.
00:30:06.43\00:30:09.27
You can't just decide
the conference is going
00:30:09.37\00:30:11.91
to stock this with
fruits and vegetables; it's a
00:30:11.97\00:30:14.14
whole national chain within
the Navajo Nation that has
00:30:14.24\00:30:17.71
to make that a
reality. - Yeah. The other thing
00:30:17.81\00:30:19.85
that's important
now, we're realizing that
00:30:19.95\00:30:22.95
this is such a huge
issue: that one conference, one
00:30:23.05\00:30:27.22
union by itself, can't
take this on. So, we're
00:30:27.32\00:30:30.39
having conversations with
the North American Division
00:30:30.53\00:30:32.63
to see how we can
bring them together-all the
00:30:32.73\00:30:36.83
resources that they
have and all the minds to try
00:30:37.77\00:30:40.67
to find a way to solve
this. By the end of the
00:30:40.77\00:30:43.34
day, we're out there,
we're working on it, and we're
00:30:43.41\00:30:46.07
starting this
mission. We want to do well;
00:30:46.17\00:30:48.44
we want to do a good
job. In the meantime, we're
00:30:48.54\00:30:51.48
trying to use all of
the resources we possibly
00:30:51.55\00:30:53.38
can to bring to bear
to solve these problems.
00:30:53.52\00:30:56.08
- And the... -
Wha... What would you-
00:30:56.22\00:30:57.79
Go. - No, go
ahead. - The unemployment
00:30:57.85\00:30:59.79
rate on the Navajo
Nation is 48%. - Hm. - So one
00:30:59.89\00:31:04.13
of the things that I
think we don't want to do is
00:31:04.23\00:31:07.10
just come in there and
say, "Here's free food for you."
00:31:07.20\00:31:10.10
While that's a need
and we do want to help with
00:31:10.20\00:31:14.77
this problem, we want to
make long-term solutions.
00:31:14.87\00:31:19.11
- You're enabling the
people. - Exactly, because
00:31:19.21\00:31:22.08
that's not going to help
that overall problem. So,
00:31:22.14\00:31:24.61
to teach them how to
grow their own food is one of
00:31:26.41\00:31:29.85
the things that we've
been looking at. In conjunction
00:31:29.95\00:31:32.39
with giving out food
as needed, I know that we
00:31:32.49\00:31:35.72
have little sack
lunches with non-perishable food
00:31:35.82\00:31:40.03
items that we have stocked,
because we do have so many
00:31:40.13\00:31:43.03
people coming through that
are just hungry! - Now, I'm
00:31:43.13\00:31:46.23
listening to this epidemic;
we want to keep it from
00:31:46.33\00:31:49.30
becoming a pandemic. What
do you think contributes to
00:31:49.40\00:31:52.51
the scarcity of
grocery stores and this dearth
00:31:53.74\00:31:56.81
of economy among the Navajo
Nation? It just seems like a
00:31:56.91\00:32:01.68
traditional problem
that just goes back without
00:32:02.78\00:32:05.82
resolution. - So, let
me just... I don't want to
00:32:05.92\00:32:07.62
paint this doom and
gloom picture. When you drive
00:32:07.69\00:32:10.53
in- 'cause when I
first went down, I thought
00:32:10.59\00:32:13.86
this... I was
surprised, because their hotels,
00:32:13.93\00:32:16.56
there are all these
other things going on. Down the
00:32:16.63\00:32:19.60
street across from the church,
across the way, there are
00:32:19.70\00:32:22.54
Burger Kings or whatever
kind of thing. There are
00:32:22.60\00:32:25.87
things out there. - A whole
lot of local industries. - Yeah!
00:32:25.94\00:32:27.41
There are local industries
out there; but what we're
00:32:27.51\00:32:29.51
concerned about is the
ability to provide the kind
00:32:29.61\00:32:34.68
of nourishment, the kind
of food, and to be able to
00:32:34.75\00:32:37.72
deal with the health issues
that the Navajo people have.
00:32:37.82\00:32:40.96
Because for example, diabetes
is a huge problem. That's what
00:32:41.09\00:32:44.49
we've discovered. Diabetes
is a big problem. Of course,
00:32:44.56\00:32:46.66
the drug... There
are other issues that are
00:32:46.76\00:32:50.47
involved. And so,
we're concerned about all of
00:32:50.60\00:32:52.53
those things, because
we've got to be holistic
00:32:52.60\00:32:54.60
in our approach to ministry-
not just, "We're going to
00:32:54.70\00:32:57.31
preach the gospel to
you, and then"... We've gotta
00:32:57.37\00:32:58.87
be holistic, so
we're concerned about the
00:32:58.97\00:33:00.88
mind, body, and the spirit.
We want to do all of that.
00:33:00.98\00:33:03.81
- Yeah, the lifestyle?
- Yes. - And the pastures
00:33:03.91\00:33:06.15
on the front line- both of
you actually, because you're
00:33:06.21\00:33:09.45
married, that's your
facility. You're dealing
00:33:09.52\00:33:11.72
with the spiritual
side, you're dealing with the
00:33:11.79\00:33:13.12
social side... What kind
of input, as far as programs
00:33:13.15\00:33:17.23
during the week... I
know most of us have midweek
00:33:17.33\00:33:19.76
prayer or Bible
studies. What are some of the
00:33:19.86\00:33:22.56
unique things that you
do to just reach beyond
00:33:22.66\00:33:26.77
the norm? Because
you're not dealing with normal
00:33:26.87\00:33:29.87
Adventist community. - Yeah.
- The garden, I think. - Well,
00:33:30.01\00:33:34.04
we have done some interesting
things with our midweek meeting.
00:33:34.11\00:33:36.85
One time we called it
a "soup and salvation."
00:33:38.21\00:33:40.45
- Okay. [laughter] - And
so, we served a... - Free
00:33:40.55\00:33:43.79
supper. - ...a meal,
and then we, for a while, we
00:33:43.85\00:33:47.66
were showing a
series that's the Native New
00:33:47.72\00:33:51.59
Day that Monte Church
did. That went very well and
00:33:51.69\00:33:54.70
people enjoyed it,
and we had a good amount
00:33:54.80\00:33:57.10
of people coming out
for that. - Cooking classes.
00:33:57.20\00:34:01.47
- Yeah, and that made a
good impact, too. - I want
00:34:03.00\00:34:08.31
to also transition a
little bit, because we have some
00:34:08.41\00:34:10.31
items here that are
traditionally- and just
00:34:10.38\00:34:14.38
everyday items that are
connected to the nation.
00:34:15.08\00:34:17.29
Describe to our viewers,
and in detail, and also our
00:34:17.35\00:34:20.79
listeners could understand
what we're watching here.
00:34:20.89\00:34:22.52
What are some of these
items that we have here?
00:34:22.62\00:34:24.79
- So, here we have a
traditional native female-
00:34:25.76\00:34:31.53
what she would wear-and
the old grandmas, you will
00:34:31.63\00:34:35.74
see them still wearing
these clothing every day.
00:34:35.84\00:34:39.44
So, the younger generation,
not as much, but this is
00:34:40.11\00:34:43.75
definitely what you
would see them wearing as you
00:34:43.85\00:34:46.58
see them. And the beadwork,
they are very talented people.
00:34:46.65\00:34:51.02
Very talented-the pottery...
Over here, we have a basket,
00:34:51.62\00:34:57.46
and this basket was
traditionally used to
00:34:58.06\00:35:00.20
carry water. Now, you
think of a basket. The
00:35:00.30\00:35:02.30
water's just gonna run
out of it. But this has been
00:35:02.36\00:35:05.57
woven with material that
they would soak it overnight
00:35:05.67\00:35:09.54
in water, and it
swells. And then the next day,
00:35:10.21\00:35:13.44
they could go and carry
their water in that basket,
00:35:13.54\00:35:17.18
and it would not go out.
And the same with the flat
00:35:18.18\00:35:22.08
basket; there's something
that's a food, a traditional
00:35:22.18\00:35:25.25
food, that they
like. It's called blue corn
00:35:25.35\00:35:28.16
mush, so you got a...
Yes. And so, they would
00:35:28.26\00:35:32.76
put it in this
basket. - Okay. - Their corn
00:35:32.86\00:35:36.10
mush there. So,
these are all things-very
00:35:36.20\00:35:39.03
talented people. - The
pottery, as well. - The
00:35:39.17\00:35:43.61
pottery as well as
the Native American flutes
00:35:43.67\00:35:47.18
that you're seeing here.
- Mhm. Pastor has a skill!
00:35:47.24\00:35:50.38
I wanna kind of give our
audience here just a taste
00:35:50.45\00:35:53.85
of what that Native American
flute sounds like. If you're in
00:35:53.95\00:35:59.22
the car listening,
you'll enjoy this. If you're
00:35:59.32\00:36:01.36
watching, I know you will, also.
00:36:01.42\00:36:02.79
[plays Native American flute]
00:36:04.89\00:36:11.60
- Wow. - Amen. - You know,
just the sound of that takes
00:36:52.14\00:36:54.64
your mind... I mean, I
just got transported in
00:36:54.74\00:36:58.05
my thoughts. - Yes. - To a
completely different setting.
00:36:58.15\00:37:01.38
If I closed my eyes,
I would feel like I am-
00:37:01.48\00:37:03.08
you know, the sun is rising
or the sun is setting, and
00:37:04.25\00:37:06.32
it's just that cool morning;
the desert is quiet...or that's
00:37:06.42\00:37:11.09
the call to worship that
is beamed through a speaker
00:37:11.19\00:37:15.56
over the valley: "It's
time to come and worship."
00:37:15.66\00:37:17.63
What a beautiful sound
that has, and it is very
00:37:17.73\00:37:20.67
apropos-very reminiscent.
- Yes. - Of the sound that we
00:37:20.80\00:37:25.67
have traditionally
heard. You know, television does
00:37:25.74\00:37:28.31
its part to either mess
the picture up or contribute
00:37:28.44\00:37:32.21
to the picture. We
can't say, and for those who
00:37:32.38\00:37:34.78
are watching the program,
television doesn't always
00:37:34.88\00:37:36.72
give you the picture
that the nation is represented
00:37:36.82\00:37:40.16
by. - Let me just
add, one of the things we
00:37:40.26\00:37:43.56
talked about was, you
know, it's one thing to
00:37:43.66\00:37:45.69
play the flute, but
we we're hoping that we
00:37:45.76\00:37:48.90
had someone that would
represent the Navajo Nation
00:37:49.00\00:37:51.20
here today. We wanted to
bring some representation
00:37:51.27\00:37:53.70
of that, because
it's one thing to be able
00:37:53.77\00:37:55.54
to talk about it,
but it's the other thing
00:37:55.60\00:37:56.94
to actually have someone
be able to talk and share...
00:37:56.97\00:37:58.57
- See the people. - Yeah. It's
really important, because these
00:37:58.67\00:38:02.51
are amazing, amazing
people. These are amazing
00:38:02.61\00:38:04.88
people, so I'm just hoping
and praying that as we, down
00:38:04.95\00:38:07.58
the road at some point,
we'd be able to come back
00:38:07.68\00:38:09.12
and give a report of what
God has done and somebody'd
00:38:09.18\00:38:11.05
be able to come and do
that for us! - It even might
00:38:11.15\00:38:12.62
be good to have some
on-location videos, church
00:38:12.72\00:38:15.02
services, people coming
into the center...just some
00:38:15.12\00:38:17.73
drive-through-you
know, nowadays, we have the
00:38:17.83\00:38:19.73
GoPro-just driving
into the reservation, going
00:38:19.83\00:38:22.23
out there on that vast
morning. It's just- because
00:38:22.33\00:38:25.27
in fact, I mean, I'm
being educated to some degree
00:38:25.33\00:38:28.57
here today, because
even though a portion of my
00:38:28.67\00:38:31.77
background is Blackfoot Indian
(which is a southeastern-)...
00:38:31.87\00:38:35.21
I've been to South Dakota,
but it's a different tribe.
00:38:37.11\00:38:40.42
- Yes. - You know? And I
think Pastor talked about
00:38:40.52\00:38:42.75
that. But the Navajo Nation...
Tell me: let's get back to the
00:38:42.85\00:38:45.95
focus of the Navajo Nation.
Statistically, how do they
00:38:46.05\00:38:49.99
rank populace-wise when
you compare them to other
00:38:50.13\00:38:55.36
Indian nations around
the United States? - So,
00:38:55.43\00:38:58.47
geographically, it's
the largest land area, and
00:38:58.57\00:39:02.00
they are also the
largest Native American tribe.
00:39:02.14\00:39:05.84
- Okay. - In the United States.
So, what we sometimes think
00:39:05.94\00:39:11.15
about with these tribes,
there may be some smaller
00:39:11.25\00:39:13.48
little tribes in different
areas, but this is very
00:39:14.18\00:39:16.69
vast and very
large, which is what makes
00:39:16.82\00:39:19.55
it so complicated.
So, if you have a smaller
00:39:19.69\00:39:23.46
tribe of, say, 900
Native Americans and you have
00:39:23.56\00:39:28.53
a few unemployed,
that's one thing; but when you
00:39:28.63\00:39:30.97
have such a large
area and such a huge amount
00:39:31.03\00:39:34.44
of people with unemployment,
that creates its own set of
00:39:34.54\00:39:40.28
problems. And I think that
that is what's making it also
00:39:40.38\00:39:46.31
a larger challenge.
And as Dr. Brown mentioned,
00:39:46.41\00:39:48.98
the Navajo Nation is
a dry nation, so there's
00:39:49.55\00:39:51.79
not supposed to be any
alcohol on it. But one of
00:39:51.85\00:39:54.66
their biggest means of
transportation is hitchhiking.
00:39:54.79\00:39:59.33
So, anytime when you're
driving in the region-and
00:39:59.46\00:40:02.06
it's relatively safe to
pick up hitchhikers because
00:40:02.16\00:40:06.87
that's how they go.
When they need dental work,
00:40:06.94\00:40:09.44
they have to hitchhike 65
miles to get from our area
00:40:09.50\00:40:13.98
over to Tuba City
where they can get some free
00:40:14.11\00:40:16.38
dental care. So you'll
see them, 5 in the morning,
00:40:16.48\00:40:19.11
hitchhiking. So what
happens is people will
00:40:19.25\00:40:23.12
come into these border
towns, which is- we live
00:40:23.22\00:40:25.45
in a border town- and
they'll get drunk. And
00:40:25.55\00:40:29.69
then they have no
way to get back home. So,
00:40:29.82\00:40:34.73
this is where I
think the biggest shock for
00:40:34.83\00:40:38.50
me in ministry came
in- when we started having
00:40:38.57\00:40:41.87
people who were
drunk come to our door and
00:40:41.97\00:40:45.77
say, "Can you give me a
ride home?" Well, I'm from
00:40:45.87\00:40:48.44
the Midwest; I'm from
Illinois! You know? And
00:40:48.54\00:40:51.21
so for me, I had
never seen that. - Wake-up
00:40:51.28\00:40:55.52
call? - It was a wake-up
call! But a dear friend of
00:40:55.62\00:41:02.02
mine who I really
pray for her salvation, an
00:41:02.12\00:41:05.36
alcoholic, she's
just a year older than me,
00:41:05.46\00:41:07.70
and she shared with me
how many of her relatives
00:41:07.80\00:41:11.73
and other Navajos,
that's how they passed away.
00:41:11.83\00:41:14.40
They became drunk, and
then they were trying to
00:41:14.50\00:41:17.87
make their way home,
and they pass out and either
00:41:17.97\00:41:20.44
freeze to death or, in
the summer in the desert,
00:41:20.54\00:41:23.14
it's very hot, and
they become dehydrated.
00:41:23.24\00:41:25.21
- Hm. Now, talk about
some of the things that
00:41:25.28\00:41:28.22
are, as far as a
need... We have a picture of a
00:41:28.32\00:41:30.69
group of people that are
standing in front of that
00:41:30.75\00:41:33.22
facility. Describe
who these people are, and
00:41:33.29\00:41:36.76
tell me more about
them. - Those are the members
00:41:36.86\00:41:41.30
of the Kayenta
Church. - Some of them, yes.
00:41:41.40\00:41:44.20
- some of them in
the back. You see our
00:41:44.27\00:41:45.60
executive secretary
on the right in the back-
00:41:45.63\00:41:47.54
Carlos Camacho. - In the
blue shirt. - In the picture.
00:41:47.64\00:41:50.24
Yeah, in the shirt. A
lot of those are members of
00:41:50.34\00:41:53.04
the church. Pastor, you
want to talk about that?
00:41:53.11\00:41:57.55
Also, talk about what
your vision is going to
00:41:57.61\00:41:59.71
be for the future. -
So, that picture there, that
00:41:59.78\00:42:04.02
would've been
taken... - Last summer. - Last
00:42:04.12\00:42:06.05
summer when we had the
intern pastor. He was in the
00:42:06.15\00:42:08.32
middle in the back there.
They did a good work there,
00:42:08.42\00:42:12.29
I think, but they're
only there six months. Meeting
00:42:12.43\00:42:15.56
with the people and
kind of- the transition has
00:42:15.66\00:42:18.63
been very difficult for them,
coming from Monument Valley
00:42:18.73\00:42:21.70
to Kayenta. Some of
those people have already been
00:42:21.80\00:42:24.74
attending there
because Kayenta has been there
00:42:24.84\00:42:26.88
a while as a church plant.
So for some of them, they're
00:42:26.98\00:42:31.11
already there. Others,
it's not so easy for them to
00:42:31.21\00:42:33.55
make that
transition. - It's hard, because
00:42:33.62\00:42:36.92
one of the
things we found out is
00:42:36.99\00:42:38.59
that 30 miles for
us, you know, you get in
00:42:38.65\00:42:41.16
the car, jump in the
car, and drive. - Right.
00:42:41.26\00:42:42.59
- Everybody doesn't have a
vehicle. - Hm. - Everybody's
00:42:42.72\00:42:44.49
not going to be able
to make that trip up to
00:42:44.59\00:42:46.19
Monument Valley, so that's
kind of one of the things that
00:42:46.29\00:42:50.03
we need to work on. We
are needing-and we were
00:42:50.13\00:42:52.77
talking about this-we
were needing long-term
00:42:52.90\00:42:55.44
missionaries. - Yeah,
expand on that, because
00:42:55.54\00:42:58.24
we hear the word, "missionary,"
and we have one picture, but
00:42:58.34\00:43:01.41
there's a different one.
- Yeah. So, when we first
00:43:01.51\00:43:04.21
started looking at
this, one of the things we saw
00:43:04.28\00:43:06.28
that there were people
who just came to the res
00:43:06.35\00:43:08.72
with the idea that
they were just gonna be a
00:43:08.82\00:43:12.02
missionary. They weren't
trained, they didn't have
00:43:12.12\00:43:14.66
any background in
mission work, but they had a
00:43:14.76\00:43:17.33
desire to be there.
And with that, we ran into
00:43:17.39\00:43:21.30
a lot of problems. I'm
just going to be honest
00:43:21.40\00:43:22.93
with you-we ran into a
lot of problems. So what
00:43:23.03\00:43:24.37
we've said is,
going forward, we want to
00:43:24.43\00:43:26.40
find people who are
trained missionaries.
00:43:26.50\00:43:28.94
Just like you said-
missionaries overseas,
00:43:29.00\00:43:30.71
you know, we want to have
people that are trained, who
00:43:30.81\00:43:33.41
understand
culturally how to adjust, how to
00:43:33.48\00:43:37.71
minister to people, and
that's what we're looking
00:43:37.81\00:43:41.15
for long-term. And Pastor,
Nancy, you want to add to this?
00:43:41.18\00:43:45.22
- I think that that is
exactly what they need,
00:43:45.85\00:43:49.19
because they are a people
that are very weary to trust.
00:43:49.29\00:43:52.19
They've been through, as
you know, with a lot of the
00:43:52.29\00:43:54.96
Native Americans the history.
And so there's been pain;
00:43:55.06\00:43:58.77
there's been
betrayal. And so now, that has
00:43:58.83\00:44:03.07
made our work a lot more
difficult. And so, whereas
00:44:03.14\00:44:06.81
sometimes pastors
would move after 5-7 years,
00:44:08.01\00:44:10.88
that's just when
these people are starting to
00:44:11.55\00:44:13.42
say, "You're my pastor.
I trust you." And that's
00:44:13.48\00:44:16.99
just at the point
where you can start working.
00:44:17.09\00:44:19.39
- And a new guy comes
into town and they think,
00:44:19.49\00:44:21.16
"Oh, boy." - Exactly.
But there is definitely
00:44:21.26\00:44:26.19
a place for people
who want to come in and be
00:44:26.26\00:44:29.53
support, because this
is not just a church-this
00:44:29.63\00:44:33.00
is a mission. We have
the gardens, the greenhouse,
00:44:33.10\00:44:36.00
and all the other programs
that we're running. So those
00:44:36.10\00:44:40.04
that are there for the
long haul become weary.
00:44:40.14\00:44:42.64
They need those hands that
would come in short-term and
00:44:42.74\00:44:46.41
say, "We'll be happy
to come in and maybe do
00:44:46.51\00:44:49.92
this little seminar for
you," or "We'll help out
00:44:49.98\00:44:52.25
in your garden," and "We'll"...
whatever the needs at that
00:44:52.32\00:44:55.62
time may be. So,
there's a need for those people
00:44:55.72\00:44:57.79
that come in, connected
with the long-term missionaries,
00:44:57.86\00:45:01.86
as well. - What are
some of the things that are
00:45:01.93\00:45:04.73
needed in this
facility? Because when you're
00:45:04.80\00:45:07.74
talking about programs,
programs obviously include
00:45:07.80\00:45:10.87
not only personnel, but
also include other items
00:45:10.94\00:45:14.54
that are needed
there, or... You talked about
00:45:14.64\00:45:17.18
vehicles. I mean,
what are some of the needs
00:45:17.28\00:45:19.78
that you see? And any
one of you can chime in
00:45:19.85\00:45:21.88
on that for there to
be a bridge built between
00:45:21.98\00:45:25.09
you and the
furnishing that need? to the
00:45:25.15\00:45:27.19
Navajos. - So, that mission
site, as you saw, has the
00:45:27.29\00:45:30.73
one community center building
that was built, and the one
00:45:30.79\00:45:34.56
house that was moved in
there. I would like to see
00:45:35.63\00:45:41.44
it build much more than
that. There should be another
00:45:41.54\00:45:43.71
staff housing-at
least one more...maybe two
00:45:43.81\00:45:46.31
more. And then I would
also like to see a sanctuary
00:45:46.37\00:45:48.94
that's dedicated for worship-
and I'm not talking something
00:45:49.04\00:45:52.08
very large, but something
that would hold at least
00:45:52.18\00:45:55.32
80 people-then the community
center could be used more for
00:45:55.42\00:45:59.42
what it was intended to
be used for. - So that's,
00:45:59.49\00:46:02.32
right now, multifaceted,
multipurpose. - Mhm.
00:46:02.42\00:46:04.96
- And Dr. Brown,
when you think about this
00:46:05.03\00:46:08.10
challenge- 'cause you're
sitting in the hot seat, if
00:46:08.20\00:46:11.07
I can use that
phrase. - Global picture, man.
00:46:11.13\00:46:13.30
- Yeah. You have Nevada-Utah,
and then now you have the
00:46:13.40\00:46:16.10
Arizona Conference, which
is right next door. You have
00:46:16.17\00:46:18.81
Utah... I'd love to
come out and see it, just to
00:46:19.64\00:46:25.15
come out and just breathe
some different air with some
00:46:25.25\00:46:28.25
red dust in it. [laughter]
But talk about what you're
00:46:28.35\00:46:33.92
envisioning to see
happen here and how the viewers
00:46:33.99\00:46:36.42
and listeners could participate
in that, 'cause there may be
00:46:36.49\00:46:38.79
some financial needs
that somebody might say,
00:46:38.86\00:46:40.50
"Hey! We'd like to see
another building go up;
00:46:40.56\00:46:42.96
we'd like to
contribute somehow." - Yeah. We
00:46:43.06\00:46:45.10
need to have an additional
building. But in addition to
00:46:45.17\00:46:49.00
that, we also need to
be able to design ministry
00:46:49.07\00:46:52.51
models that fit the
unique needs of that area, and
00:46:52.61\00:46:58.05
that's gonna take resources.
We're not in this to just throw
00:46:58.15\00:47:02.05
things at people. We want
to do this right. When I went
00:47:02.15\00:47:05.45
to the Nation, we sat
down; we had a meeting
00:47:05.55\00:47:07.02
with the things that are
changing-one of the those
00:47:07.09\00:47:10.09
upper? administration. We
00:47:10.16\00:47:13.26
talked about the fact
that the Adventist church, if
00:47:13.36\00:47:15.43
we're going to be on
this field- we've been here
00:47:15.50\00:47:17.47
for a long time.
They respect the Adventist
00:47:17.53\00:47:19.30
church. But in order to
maintain that, we've got
00:47:19.37\00:47:21.60
to do ministry the right
way. We have other groups
00:47:21.67\00:47:24.67
that are out there, doing
ministry; but as an Adventist,
00:47:24.77\00:47:26.88
I just really believe
that when we go and we do
00:47:26.94\00:47:29.61
this, we've got to do ministry
in a way that's effective. So
00:47:29.68\00:47:31.95
what that looks like,
how that's going to end up,
00:47:32.05\00:47:33.88
we're not really
sure, because at the end of
00:47:33.95\00:47:35.52
the day, I just want to
make sure what fits with
00:47:35.62\00:47:37.55
the needs are. If there's
health needs (x2), I want
00:47:37.65\00:47:40.79
to be able to meet
those needs. We want to create
00:47:40.86\00:47:42.52
a garden, I want to do
that. So, we're looking
00:47:42.62\00:47:46.16
at everything as a
global picture, and we're asking
00:47:46.26\00:47:48.86
for support with that.
We're asking for everybody
00:47:48.96\00:47:51.33
that's going to support
us with that. But in the
00:47:51.40\00:47:53.64
meantime, we want to
be able to create and
00:47:53.74\00:47:55.40
enhance the school- I
mean the church. We want
00:47:55.50\00:47:58.74
to be able to maybe
find ways to fund that. And
00:47:58.84\00:48:02.11
so, those are the kinds
of things that we're looking
00:48:02.21\00:48:03.55
at right now. - Well
Pastor, go ahead and plug some
00:48:03.61\00:48:06.55
suggestions in there in
the time we have. - I feel
00:48:06.65\00:48:10.49
like one of our needs
(besides our full-time
00:48:10.55\00:48:13.09
missionaries) is having
student missionaries that
00:48:13.19\00:48:15.66
are coming, even if it's
just for a summer. Because
00:48:15.76\00:48:19.03
with our programs we're
doing in the summer with
00:48:19.16\00:48:21.13
the children,
there's such a great need and
00:48:21.26\00:48:23.37
there's such an opening
for that. Those programs
00:48:23.47\00:48:26.74
fill right up if we
had more young people that
00:48:26.80\00:48:29.04
just would dedicate
a summer to come there
00:48:29.17\00:48:31.64
and help with those programs.
And it's something that's not
00:48:31.71\00:48:34.04
that intense, and it's
a fun program to be a part
00:48:34.14\00:48:37.95
of. - Even a retired person-
a grandma and grandpa who
00:48:38.05\00:48:41.25
might want to just come
in and... Next week, we're
00:48:41.35\00:48:45.75
going to be having a VBS
over in Kayenta, and it's
00:48:45.85\00:48:49.09
basically all older people
who are coming to do that,
00:48:49.16\00:48:52.43
and this is
something consistent. But there
00:48:52.53\00:48:56.26
are a lot of needs.
And one also that I'll just
00:48:56.36\00:48:59.80
add is blankets. I know
that sounds very simple,
00:48:59.87\00:49:02.60
but we had some children
who were attending church
00:49:02.70\00:49:06.07
and coming to the Wednesday
night, and they finally got up
00:49:06.17\00:49:09.18
the courage to tell my
daughter, "We don't have
00:49:09.28\00:49:12.85
any bedding. We're sleeping
on the floor. We don't have
00:49:12.95\00:49:15.95
any bedding." And out
on the reservations, some
00:49:16.05\00:49:18.89
of them are sleeping in
hogans with dirt floors.
00:49:18.99\00:49:21.16
And so, as it comes
around October in the desert, it
00:49:21.29\00:49:24.39
does start getting
cold. And so, that's something
00:49:24.49\00:49:27.33
that we'd like to do in
October if we have those
00:49:27.43\00:49:30.23
things is to give
out blankets to families
00:49:30.33\00:49:33.64
that need that. But
we do see we have other
00:49:33.70\00:49:37.37
denominations who are
bringing in 16-20 missionaries
00:49:37.47\00:49:40.51
at a time, just swooping
over the reservation, and
00:49:40.61\00:49:43.48
we would really like
to see that our church...
00:49:43.61\00:49:48.28
- That push among Adventists.
- Yes! Amen. - Nancy, talk about
00:49:48.38\00:49:50.62
the connection with some of
the training that missionaries
00:49:50.69\00:49:54.12
were thinking they should
be involved in, really quickly.
00:49:54.19\00:49:57.16
- Yeah, about 30
seconds here. - Yeah. So we just
00:49:57.26\00:50:01.73
want to make sure
that when people come that
00:50:01.80\00:50:03.83
they can have a little
bit of training so that they
00:50:03.90\00:50:07.80
understand about what
there really are coming-
00:50:07.90\00:50:10.44
what they're going to
see-the culture, because
00:50:10.51\00:50:12.84
no, we really need
that so that they have an
00:50:12.91\00:50:15.71
understanding. I know
that for me, the first Sabbath,
00:50:15.81\00:50:18.11
a non-Adventist
there, and I went and I gave
00:50:19.41\00:50:21.78
her a hug. She
pulled back from me and she
00:50:21.85\00:50:24.85
says, "Navajos shake
hands." Okay. So I learned
00:50:24.95\00:50:30.23
that this is- their greeting
is a nice, light handshake.
00:50:30.93\00:50:34.30
You know, just some simple
things like that. - Right. The
00:50:34.40\00:50:37.00
traditional things
that sometimes ignorance
00:50:37.10\00:50:39.27
can be a barrier, whereas
becoming aware of it... I
00:50:39.37\00:50:42.87
want those who are watching
the program and listening
00:50:42.97\00:50:45.27
to the program
before we transition to our
00:50:45.37\00:50:47.48
newsbreak here, I
want to be able to give you
00:50:47.58\00:50:50.11
the information that you
need to get in touch with
00:50:50.25\00:50:53.08
the Pacific Union Natives
Ministries. And as you get
00:50:53.18\00:50:56.62
in touch, many of
the needs that have not
00:50:56.72\00:50:58.99
even been mentioned
will be explained further in
00:50:59.12\00:51:01.79
further detail after
you contact them through
00:51:01.89\00:51:05.09
this information. -
If you feel compelled to
00:51:05.16\00:51:10.57
support the work among
the Navajo Nation, helping
00:51:10.67\00:51:12.83
them to discover a healthier
lifestyle, please contact the
00:51:12.93\00:51:15.67
Pacific Union Native
Ministries by emailing
00:51:15.77\00:51:18.27
them at
PUCNativeMinistries@gmail.com
00:51:18.37\00:51:22.54
Again,
PUCNativeMinistries@gmail.com
00:51:22.64\00:51:26.95
or visit their website
at NUCAdventist.com. That's
00:51:27.05\00:51:32.95
NUCAdventist.com
or write them at
00:51:33.02\00:51:37.73
PO Box 4402 Page, Arizona 86040.
00:51:37.83\00:51:43.87