I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to
another 3ABN Today program.
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I'm Jason Bradley.
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And we have an exciting
program in store for you today.
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We are going to be
talking about prison ministry
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and this is a
United Prison Ministries
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International update
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and here with me
to discuss this topic,
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we have Carolyn Bland,
she is the president of UPMI.
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We have Antonio Hall,
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who is the Director of Programs.
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And we have Gilbert Wilks,
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who is the president
of Wilks Publications Inc.
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And we have Scott A. Tibbs II,
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who is the CMO,
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which stands for
Chief Marketing Officer.
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Welcome to the
program. Thank you.
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Thank you for
having us. Good to be here.
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It's good to have you guys here.
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I want to find out,
well, I kind of gave away
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what UPMI stands for.
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But just tell us
again, Miss Carolyn.
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Okay.
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Prison ministry is
what the Lord told us to do.
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Okay.
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He said, "I was in prison
and did you come visit Me?"
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Not only that,
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those people that are in prison,
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they're people just
like us that were led wrong.
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They were caught.
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A lot of us haven't been caught.
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And we're all sinners
and the wages of sin is what?
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Death.
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So we're all guilty.
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And somebody has to
have in their heart,
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the mind to go
and bring God's Word
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to those that are lost.
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Those that have
been incarcerated,
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some of them in
there are more spiritual
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than some of us
out on the street
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and in the church.
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That's true.
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So that's why
there's prison ministry.
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We want to go take the
Word, like the Lord said,
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"Go visit them,
take the word to them,
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be their friend."
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But now one thing that
Adventists have been doing
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is going to prison for years.
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But now they're lacking in
when they get out of prison.
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One of our young men that works
with us, got out of prison,
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and he went to church
with us for almost a year
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and then he gave his testimony
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and, lo and behold, when
he sat down the next week,
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people didn't want
to sit next to him,
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that is something wrong
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when we don't want to
accept them as human beings.
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Yes.
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And they get out of
prison in Alabama, they get,
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what is it, $10?
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$10. $10.
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Wow.
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They won't get a
meal for $10 now.
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So what are they gonna do?
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So if they go back
where they came from,
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what's gonna happen?
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That's on their train
that brought them here.
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They're going to go
right back to prison.
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So somebody has to go
give them a different mindset.
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Be there for them to
help them when they get out.
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They need more than
just the Word of God.
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Yes, yes.
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They need love and
they need genuine love,
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love for the unlovely.
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The Lord said,
"What you do to the least
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of these my brethren,
you have done it unto Me."
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So you see that guy on Skid Row?
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Uh-huh.
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The way you treat
him the way you love him.
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That's just the
way you love the Lord.
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So what you're saying is
faith without works is dead.
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And a lot of our
prison ministries
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go in there, teach the
word, sunshine band, sunshine...
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Sunshine band.
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And when the people
get out, where are they?
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Where is their help? Yeah.
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So that's what we are about now.
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For years, we've been
wanting to set up something
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for ex-offenders.
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And this is Toni's dream.
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Now I've known Tony since 1981
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and he's been
with us since 1981.
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He's going to
share his story too.
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Yeah.
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And Tony has always been
wanting to help ex-offenders.
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Well, you know,
it takes funds too.
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And we haven't gotten around
to it, but this is our goal now
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is to help ex-offenders.
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We got...
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Scott, How many do we
have on the grounds now?
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We have 12 people.
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We have about 12 right
now, but we want to do more.
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Okay.
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And we're going to talk
about some of these things
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that we have in mind.
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But this is the point.
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Prison ministry is good,
we need to go, we're doing it,
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but you have to help
them when they get out too.
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All right, absolutely.
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There has to be
souls want to the kingdom.
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Well, before we
jump in any further
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and we want to
be blessed in song,
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before we get
deeper into the interview,
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we want to be blessed in song.
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And Scott Michael
Bennett will be singing
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"Go Light your World."
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There is a candle
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In every soul
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Some brightly burning
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Some dark and cold
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There is a Spirit
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Who brings the fire
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Ignites the candle
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And makes His home
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So carry your candle
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Run to the darkness
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Seek out the hopeless
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Confused and torn
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And hold out your candle
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For all to see it
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Take your candle
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And go light your world
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Take your candle
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And go light your world
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Frustrated brother
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See how he's tried to
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Light his own candle
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Some other way
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See now your sister
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She's been robbed and lied to
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She still holds her candle
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Without a flame
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So carry your candle
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Run to the darkness
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Seek out the lonely
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The tired and worn
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Hold out your candle
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For all to see it
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Take your candle
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And go light your world
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Take your candle
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And go light your world
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We are a family
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Whose hearts are blazing
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So let's raise our candles
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And light up the sky
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Praying to our Father
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In the name of Jesus
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Make us a beacon
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In the darkest nights
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Carry your candle
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Run to the darkness
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Seek out the helpless
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Deceived and poor
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Hold out your candle
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For all to see it
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Take your candle
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Go light your world
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Take your candle
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Go light your world
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Take your candle
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Go light your world
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Go light your world
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Go light your world
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Wow.
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Go light your
world and that is exactly
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what UPMI is doing behind
bars and in the community.
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Antonio, tell us a
little bit about your background
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and how you joined UPMI.
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Well, my background
started actually in prison.
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I was not in prison ministry
but I was locked up 14 times
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in eight states
before I was 20 years old.
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And it was during that time
that when I spoke in this jail,
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I was in Rikers
Island, New York.
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Okay.
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I was passing through New York,
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never had
intentions to stay overnight,
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but I ended up in
New York for seven years,
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but only on Rikers
Island for about three months.
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What happened
when I went to court,
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I was given probation
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because my charges
were actually added
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and do the thing that
I was supposed to do it.
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I was probated to drug court,
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and drug court put
me in a rehab program
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for 18 months.
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What happened when I
was in Rikers Island,
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I got in trouble
with a religious group
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that had promised to kill
me and because of my mouth,
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and then I picked up a Bible,
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I touched the
Bible for the first time
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at 20 years old.
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I was afraid to touch
the Bible because I thought,
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you know, from
looking at television
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and vampire movies
and werewolf movies
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that if I touch that Bible,
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I would implode, you know, I
really thought I was a devil.
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And but I did, I
opened the Bible.
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And when I opened the Bible up,
opened to a verse of scripture,
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and that verse of
scripture is John 14:6
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and I heard Jesus say,
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"I am the way, I am the truth,
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I am the life and no
man goes on to the Father
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unless he come by Me."
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Now to me, I heard
a gangster talking,
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you know, because I was
into that type of thing.
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And I believe that
was the only way for God
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to get my attention if I had
to open the Bible to the part
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where a little bambino
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was wrapped in swaddling clothes
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and laid in the manger,
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I think I would have
found something else.
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But I was
interested in this person,
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this biblical character saying,
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"I am the way, the
truth, and the life."
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I actually fell
in love with Jesus
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on that one scripture.
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I wanted to get
to know this Jesus.
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So I started to study the Bible.
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I took my Bible
from Rikers Island
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to the rehab program.
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And from the rehab program,
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I actually coined
a therapeutic program
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for myself to
overcome my drug addiction.
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So it was through the Bible.
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And the secular
program I was in,
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I put the two together
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and I ended up
becoming drug free.
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After that, I went into college,
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the College of New Rochelle,
after the College of New
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Rochelle, New York
Theological Seminary,
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and I became a chaplain
for the state of New York.
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Wow.
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And then after working
for the state of New York
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as a chaplain,
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I moved back to Alabama
from Birmingham, Alabama.
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Okay.
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And coming to
Birmingham, Alabama,
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is where I met
Richard and Carolyn Bland.
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They became my support system
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because even though
I had accepted the Lord
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and I was studying the
Bible and I was a Christian,
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I still missed the ability
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to overcome natural tendencies.
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So being a part of that family,
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I was able to
recognize that I needed help.
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And they were that
support system for me.
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I was baptized couple of months
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after I had been
going to the prison
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studying in the prison
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and helping others understand
the Bible in Bible study.
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And I was baptized
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into the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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and a couple of years
later, ordained as an elder.
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And from that, you know,
community service leader,
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prison ministry leader,
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and was able to travel
with the prison ministry
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to several countries
and all across the US
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and so forth and so on.
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So I inherited a support system
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and I knew how
important it was for me.
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And I looked at all the things
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that I had
learned over the years
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and I started to
really study rehab programs,
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recovery
programs, work for psalm.
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At the same time, I
was doing prison ministry.
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I would work for
rehab programs and so forth.
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And I learned a lot and decided
that the Lord had called me
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to really prioritize
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developing a
transitional program.
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And we talked about
it, prayed about it.
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Richard Bland encouraged me
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to learn as much
as I could about it.
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And part of our
dream was to, one day,
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do this through
United Prison Ministries.
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Yes.
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And time pass,
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and we never
really got to do it.
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And I ended up working out
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on a rehab program
for women, 50 women.
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I was the only
male in the building.
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Oh, wow.
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And we had 30 children
and I was the chaplain,
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so they had to
see me when we worked.
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And then I was asked...
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Richard said he was retiring
and he had already resigned
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from his offices, you know,
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and he said, "I'm
gonna recommend you
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to the board as
the next director."
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So you can do those things
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that the Lord
laid on your heart."
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And that was in 2013,
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and we started to do work
with United Prison Ministries
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and developing
that particular avenue
00:16:10.40\00:16:13.07
or that particular
stage of prison ministry
00:16:13.10\00:16:15.54
because the prison
ministry is three stages.
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The first stage
is the pre-release
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what you do
while you're in prison.
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You prepare people
to come out of prison.
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Okay.
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You work with them
on making decisions.
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And, you know, the Bible
is the best decision-maker.
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It's the...
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You know, the Holy
Spirit is our leader, our God,
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our teacher, and accepted
Jesus Christ in the prison,
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you become a part
of a support group.
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Yes.
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But when you come
out of the prison,
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you leave that
support group behind.
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Now it's time to
have another support group
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outside the institution.
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And, you know,
the interesting thing
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is you use the word decisions,
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you help them to be
prepared to make decisions.
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You know, when you're in prison,
00:16:56.78\00:16:58.85
there's not a lot
of decisions or choices
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that you get to make,
00:17:01.45\00:17:03.59
a lot of choices and
stuff are made for you.
00:17:03.62\00:17:05.72
But when you come out of prison,
00:17:05.75\00:17:07.69
you're got to think
about what you want to wear,
00:17:07.72\00:17:09.39
what you're going to
eat, where you're going to go,
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what time you have to
be at this place or that.
00:17:11.46\00:17:14.20
I mean, there's a
wide variety of decisions
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that we on the
outside take for granted.
00:17:17.50\00:17:21.14
But for somebody
getting out of prison,
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that can be quite intimidating.
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So that preparation is crucial.
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Exactly.
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To make a decision...
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We only work with...
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We've been successful
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in the reentry
part of our ministry
00:17:32.81\00:17:34.82
because we make
decisions as well.
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If the person who is an
inmate and is incarcerated,
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don't make decisions,
like avoid disciplinarians
00:17:42.29\00:17:46.93
and don't take
advantage of academics
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and vocational studies,
00:17:49.33\00:17:51.07
don't take
advantage of chapel services,
00:17:51.10\00:17:53.84
don't take advantage
of about substance abuse,
00:17:53.87\00:17:57.54
and anger management
programs in the prison
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if they show no track
record of doing these things,
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we know that when they get out,
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they won't take advantage again.
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Yeah.
00:18:06.51\00:18:07.85
So we decide
who is going to come
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into our program
because the people who we decide
00:18:09.88\00:18:12.72
to take into
our reentry program,
00:18:12.75\00:18:14.69
our transitional program,
00:18:14.72\00:18:16.32
they are now a
part of our community.
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Okay.
00:18:18.73\00:18:20.10
And if we have to
guard the community as well,
00:18:20.13\00:18:21.83
you know, as best as we can,
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so we have to do
assessments to make sure
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that we choose the right people.
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And then we go through
that third stage is the...
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Well, you know,
retention is what happens
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when they are baptized,
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when a person is
baptized in the church,
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we have to
learn how to love them
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and loving is
not a special thing
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because what
happens is you treat people
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as you would want to be treated.
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And only thing we
do is remind the church
00:18:48.22\00:18:50.23
in many different ways
00:18:50.26\00:18:51.59
how would you want to be treated
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if you yourself was stigmatized,
00:18:54.23\00:18:57.57
you know, by
prison incarceration
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and you had been born again
00:19:00.37\00:19:03.00
and your lifestyle has
changed and you are baby now
00:19:03.04\00:19:05.81
because you know
nothing of this new lifestyle,
00:19:05.84\00:19:09.28
then how would you
want someone to address you
00:19:09.31\00:19:11.48
and work with you
and strengthen you?
00:19:11.51\00:19:13.42
So when strength meet needs
and strength build on strength,
00:19:13.45\00:19:17.79
we know you
understand recidivism,
00:19:17.82\00:19:19.55
the recidivism rate is short,
00:19:19.59\00:19:21.62
and we don't have to
worry about in the state
00:19:21.66\00:19:24.53
where we're working now,
00:19:24.56\00:19:26.63
the probation
and parole department
00:19:26.70\00:19:28.66
when I just walk into the office
00:19:28.70\00:19:30.90
to represent
someone to the hearing,
00:19:30.97\00:19:33.34
and they say,
"Just because he's here,
00:19:33.37\00:19:35.07
we're going to let you
go or let the person go."
00:19:35.10\00:19:37.91
They're gonna give them a chance
00:19:37.94\00:19:39.27
'cause they know I've
done the background check,
00:19:39.31\00:19:40.68
I know you understand the person
00:19:40.71\00:19:42.18
that I'm representing,
00:19:42.21\00:19:43.55
and we have not had one person
to violate or return to prison
00:19:43.58\00:19:47.75
that we've worked with
in the last eight years.
00:19:47.78\00:19:50.39
So we have a pretty good record.
00:19:50.42\00:19:52.02
That's amazing because,
00:19:52.05\00:19:53.86
you know, one of the things
that we see that is so high
00:19:53.89\00:19:58.33
is the rate of recidivism
00:19:58.36\00:20:00.40
because once
someone is incarcerated,
00:20:00.43\00:20:03.70
people want to keep
them in the system basically.
00:20:03.77\00:20:07.14
So the fact that
you're equipping them
00:20:07.17\00:20:09.37
with decision-making skills
and you're doing your homework
00:20:09.40\00:20:13.98
before you take them on,
00:20:14.01\00:20:17.35
that is a wonderful
and a wise move as well.
00:20:17.38\00:20:20.72
And, Gilbert,
00:20:20.75\00:20:22.08
what have you
published for UPMI?
00:20:22.12\00:20:25.42
We've published millions
of Happiness Digest magazines
00:20:25.45\00:20:31.83
for him.
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Okay.
00:20:33.23\00:20:34.56
Richard came to
me over 30 years ago
00:20:34.60\00:20:36.16
and said my Bible study
guys need to look better.
00:20:36.20\00:20:41.04
And since we're printers,
we were able to do that for him
00:20:41.07\00:20:44.61
and we contributed that to him.
00:20:44.64\00:20:46.88
And then as we began
to build a relationship,
00:20:46.91\00:20:50.65
we got into a
lot of other printing
00:20:50.68\00:20:53.62
that he could use.
00:20:53.65\00:20:55.18
The main flagship for
Richard was Happiness Digest
00:20:55.22\00:20:58.89
in the nature format.
00:20:58.92\00:21:00.56
Okay.
00:21:00.59\00:21:01.92
When he came over
and asked me to do that,
00:21:01.96\00:21:05.09
it became an instant success
at our publishing houses.
00:21:05.13\00:21:09.80
They were putting on a
millions of those at a time.
00:21:09.83\00:21:12.20
And people do say
we're cutting down.
00:21:12.23\00:21:14.24
So Richard not only
has had us design that
00:21:14.27\00:21:18.01
he's had his design
and many other pamphlets.
00:21:18.04\00:21:20.28
One time, right after 9/11,
00:21:20.31\00:21:23.55
he wanted to put a
million mark Bibles
00:21:23.58\00:21:28.85
in New York City, and he says,
00:21:28.88\00:21:30.79
"I have two weeks to do that."
00:21:30.82\00:21:32.35
Nice.
00:21:32.39\00:21:33.76
He brought it to
us and we put out
00:21:33.79\00:21:35.12
a million of them in
New York City for two weeks.
00:21:35.16\00:21:37.53
Nice.
00:21:37.56\00:21:38.89
Now there's one publication
00:21:38.93\00:21:40.30
that I'm really
thinking about here
00:21:40.33\00:21:41.66
and it's "What the Bible Says."
00:21:41.70\00:21:43.03
That's right. Right.
00:21:43.06\00:21:44.43
And we have a graphic
of "What the Bible Says"
00:21:44.47\00:21:47.17
what that looks like.
00:21:47.24\00:21:48.57
And we have
"What the Bible Says"
00:21:48.60\00:21:49.94
then we also have it in Spanish.
00:21:49.97\00:21:52.14
Correct.
00:21:52.17\00:21:53.98
And then out of
What the Bible Says,
00:21:54.01\00:21:57.85
tell us about...
00:21:57.88\00:21:59.21
There's also...
00:21:59.25\00:22:00.62
And, Scott, maybe
you can touch on this.
00:22:00.65\00:22:02.02
There's also
several other publications.
00:22:02.05\00:22:06.19
Yes.
00:22:06.22\00:22:07.56
So the lesson, the Bible,
What the Bible Says lesson
00:22:07.59\00:22:10.13
is actually kind
of the starter packet
00:22:10.16\00:22:12.89
for the actual one
through nine guides.
00:22:12.93\00:22:15.33
Okay.
00:22:15.36\00:22:16.70
And you can show
the graphic of that.
00:22:16.77\00:22:18.10
But those 1 through 9 guides
00:22:18.13\00:22:19.93
are actually breakdowns
of the 1 through 15 lessons.
00:22:19.97\00:22:23.71
So it just gives you a
more in-depth understanding
00:22:23.74\00:22:25.84
of those lessons.
00:22:25.87\00:22:27.21
Yes.
00:22:27.28\00:22:28.61
And you're the
chief marketing officer.
00:22:28.64\00:22:30.05
Yes, sir.
00:22:30.08\00:22:31.41
Now how did you
get involved, Scott?
00:22:31.45\00:22:33.11
Well, my story
is kind of different
00:22:33.15\00:22:34.72
just because I was
born into it I feel like.
00:22:34.75\00:22:36.72
My grandmother and
grandfather are the founders,
00:22:36.79\00:22:39.52
I was always near it.
00:22:39.55\00:22:41.09
And I always
volunteered as much as I could,
00:22:41.12\00:22:43.12
and I found more
and more passion for it.
00:22:43.16\00:22:45.79
And I started seeing
the people I was helping
00:22:45.83\00:22:47.80
and, man, I was
making a difference,
00:22:47.83\00:22:49.16
just my little self
making a difference.
00:22:49.20\00:22:51.57
And so that's when I
saw what I needed to do
00:22:51.60\00:22:54.40
and I stepped up
and I started taking
00:22:54.44\00:22:56.81
smaller
responsibilities here and there.
00:22:56.84\00:22:58.77
Right now I'm
actually under mentorship
00:22:58.81\00:23:00.28
underneath my grandmother
00:23:00.31\00:23:01.81
and learning the ways
of how to run this ministry
00:23:01.84\00:23:05.51
and just doing my absolute best.
00:23:05.55\00:23:06.92
Yeah. Yes.
00:23:06.95\00:23:08.28
And see, even
though you grew up in it,
00:23:08.32\00:23:10.12
you could have
left, but you stayed.
00:23:10.19\00:23:12.39
And that says a lot too.
00:23:12.42\00:23:13.76
And I know you have
to be a proud grandma.
00:23:13.79\00:23:15.42
Oh, yes.
00:23:15.46\00:23:16.83
Yeah.
00:23:16.86\00:23:18.19
But, you know, all my
children support the ministry.
00:23:18.23\00:23:21.53
They grew up, the
girls on the floor grading
00:23:21.56\00:23:24.97
our first What the
Bible Says lessons,
00:23:25.00\00:23:27.37
we had them printed dark shells,
00:23:27.44\00:23:29.44
you know, little
homemade Bible studies.
00:23:29.47\00:23:32.61
And we started
out with just a few
00:23:32.64\00:23:35.14
and before we knew it,
00:23:35.18\00:23:36.51
it was thousands and
we were just overwhelmed
00:23:36.54\00:23:38.25
so they had to
help me grade them,
00:23:38.28\00:23:39.88
and they'd be
all out on the floor,
00:23:39.91\00:23:41.75
grading Bible lessons.
00:23:41.78\00:23:43.12
So they grew up in it,
00:23:43.15\00:23:44.55
and they went to prison with it.
00:23:44.59\00:23:46.15
So it's in their bones.
00:23:46.19\00:23:49.02
So here, my
grandchildren now are in it.
00:23:49.06\00:23:52.69
Yes, yes.
00:23:52.73\00:23:54.50
And so you guys
grade the lessons?
00:23:54.53\00:23:57.30
We did.
00:23:57.37\00:23:58.70
It got overwhelming.
00:23:58.73\00:24:00.17
After you get
pretty near me enough...
00:24:00.24\00:24:03.61
But we actually picked up
on re-grading these lessons
00:24:03.64\00:24:06.31
and now we're actually
resending certificates.
00:24:06.34\00:24:09.11
So in the past three
years since I've been on board,
00:24:09.14\00:24:12.41
we are grading these lessons
00:24:12.45\00:24:15.05
and sending out
pre-certified certificates
00:24:15.08\00:24:18.82
that give these prisoners
something to look forward to.
00:24:18.85\00:24:21.46
Nice. Yes.
00:24:21.49\00:24:22.82
Nice.
00:24:22.86\00:24:24.23
Now what's the story
about maybe someone's life,
00:24:24.26\00:24:26.63
who has been transformed?
00:24:26.70\00:24:28.13
Actually one of the people
we're working with right now,
00:24:28.16\00:24:30.47
Yvonne, who's on campus,
she was actually in prison.
00:24:30.50\00:24:34.30
Not my mother Yvonne.
00:24:34.34\00:24:35.70
No, not your mother.
00:24:35.74\00:24:37.11
Maybe another Yvonne.
00:24:37.14\00:24:38.47
We should clarify that. Yes.
00:24:38.51\00:24:39.84
But we have a
person on campus now
00:24:39.87\00:24:42.34
who was 20 years ago
received our lessons in prison
00:24:42.38\00:24:46.58
and had no idea
where we were located.
00:24:46.61\00:24:49.05
And 20 years
later, she is now working
00:24:49.08\00:24:50.99
with us on campus
00:24:51.02\00:24:52.52
and has been there for
almost four or five years.
00:24:52.55\00:24:55.72
And her story is unbelievable.
00:24:55.76\00:24:58.69
So that's the type of
people we want to be helping
00:24:58.73\00:25:01.73
is someone like that Yvonne.
00:25:01.76\00:25:03.26
Yeah, yes.
00:25:03.30\00:25:04.73
Are there any others who
have maybe received the study?
00:25:04.77\00:25:09.00
Or maybe you you've gone in
00:25:09.04\00:25:11.31
and you've
ministered to some people,
00:25:11.34\00:25:14.08
what are some
other stories of...
00:25:14.11\00:25:15.64
One little short
story just quick,
00:25:15.68\00:25:18.08
we were at a church
and it was broadcast
00:25:18.11\00:25:21.45
and they announced
that we were in the audience
00:25:21.48\00:25:23.42
and later on,
after the service over,
00:25:23.49\00:25:26.05
a lady walked up
to us and she said,
00:25:26.09\00:25:29.09
"I just came, I
heard that you were here.
00:25:29.12\00:25:31.36
I wanted to tell you, my
husband has totally changed
00:25:31.39\00:25:35.93
since he started coming
to your program at the prison
00:25:35.96\00:25:39.80
and taking your Bible study.
00:25:39.83\00:25:41.27
I just had to come tell you.
00:25:41.30\00:25:43.30
We both are so happy
00:25:43.34\00:25:46.81
that you brought the Lord
into our lives, both of us,
00:25:46.88\00:25:50.55
and I just had to
come tell you thank you."
00:25:50.58\00:25:52.51
And I just felt that how
many people that are helped
00:25:52.55\00:25:55.38
we'll never know until we
get to heaven and find out.
00:25:55.42\00:25:59.39
"Oh, I heard about you
00:25:59.42\00:26:01.39
when I was in prison," you know?
00:26:01.42\00:26:03.06
Amen.
00:26:03.09\00:26:04.43
So there's a lot of people
will never know that we reach,
00:26:04.46\00:26:07.03
but now one
particular young man,
00:26:07.10\00:26:09.20
all of us know him.
00:26:09.23\00:26:10.57
He's Andre. Okay.
00:26:10.60\00:26:11.93
I met him the first time I
ever went to prison in 1980,
00:26:11.97\00:26:18.04
and he was 21 years old.
00:26:18.07\00:26:20.08
So that makes him 60 this
year when his birthday comes.
00:26:20.11\00:26:24.61
And he's still incarcerated.
00:26:24.65\00:26:28.28
He said he didn't do with...
00:26:28.32\00:26:29.88
He was signed...
00:26:29.92\00:26:31.42
You know, but
anyway, that's a long story.
00:26:31.45\00:26:34.16
But Andre, we gave
him C.D. Brooks' tapes
00:26:34.19\00:26:37.63
to listen to.
00:26:37.66\00:26:38.99
And they used to listen to
them all the time at prison,
00:26:39.03\00:26:42.63
and sometimes when we'd go,
00:26:42.66\00:26:44.00
we'd show his
film, C.D. Brooks' film
00:26:44.07\00:26:47.04
of one of his
evangelistic meetings
00:26:47.07\00:26:49.47
that he had.
00:26:49.50\00:26:50.84
And a lot of the inmates grew up
00:26:50.91\00:26:53.24
at the prison on C.D. Brooks.
00:26:53.27\00:26:55.71
But even C.D. Brooks
came and went to prison
00:26:55.74\00:26:58.65
to meet Andre and had an
evangelistic meeting there
00:26:58.68\00:27:03.05
at the prison for the inmates
00:27:03.08\00:27:05.15
because they loved him so much,
00:27:05.19\00:27:07.39
'cause we had been
playing C.D. Brooks' tapes
00:27:07.46\00:27:10.73
and the films and everything
for about six or seven years.
00:27:10.76\00:27:15.53
So they really were engrossed...
00:27:15.56\00:27:17.37
In fact, when
C.D. Brooks came there,
00:27:17.40\00:27:19.60
Andre shook his hand and
when on to tell him about
00:27:19.63\00:27:22.77
one of his sermons
preaching like he did
00:27:22.80\00:27:24.61
while he was shaking the hand.
00:27:24.64\00:27:26.11
Oh, that was so cute.
00:27:26.14\00:27:27.51
But Andre has been a
witness to the Lord and has won
00:27:27.58\00:27:30.95
many, many inmates to Christ
00:27:30.98\00:27:34.32
because he is soul
on fire for the Lord.
00:27:34.35\00:27:36.22
Yeah.
00:27:36.25\00:27:37.59
And that song we just
heard, "Go light my candle."
00:27:37.62\00:27:40.36
"Go Light Your World."
00:27:40.39\00:27:41.72
Yes, yes.
00:27:41.76\00:27:43.09
He's he sings that too.
00:27:43.12\00:27:44.46
And he has a wonderful voice.
00:27:44.49\00:27:46.13
And oh, he's just
he's just a blessing.
00:27:46.16\00:27:48.80
And he has been serving the Lord
00:27:48.83\00:27:51.03
now for 38 years.
00:27:51.07\00:27:53.57
Wow!
00:27:53.64\00:27:54.97
38 years. Praise the Lord.
00:27:55.00\00:27:56.71
He changed little by
little that first year
00:27:56.74\00:27:58.74
and then he just got
on fire for the Lord.
00:27:58.77\00:28:01.58
Nice.
00:28:01.61\00:28:02.94
Now what are some challenges
that you face with UPMI,
00:28:02.98\00:28:06.75
what are some challenges?
00:28:06.82\00:28:08.28
Well, the first thing, you know,
00:28:08.32\00:28:10.72
when an inmate is
baptized into our church,
00:28:10.79\00:28:15.29
he gets no
Sabbath school quarterly
00:28:15.32\00:28:17.43
unless we give it to him.
00:28:17.46\00:28:18.79
He gets no
connection with the church
00:28:18.83\00:28:21.70
outside except for us.
00:28:21.73\00:28:24.20
And we think that the
challenge would be for us
00:28:24.27\00:28:28.57
to be able to
supply them with materials
00:28:28.60\00:28:32.37
and have the
church be interested
00:28:32.41\00:28:35.31
in the inmate
that has been baptized.
00:28:35.34\00:28:38.11
And naturally, I said
before, to be there for them,
00:28:38.15\00:28:42.52
to help them in a way
00:28:42.55\00:28:45.39
other than just
giving them the Word
00:28:45.42\00:28:47.16
when they get out.
00:28:47.19\00:28:48.52
Yes, yes.
00:28:48.56\00:28:49.89
Now, Antonio, as
Director of Programs,
00:28:49.92\00:28:54.33
what is your vision for
UPMI in the upcoming future?
00:28:54.36\00:29:00.84
Like what
Sister Bland just said,
00:29:00.87\00:29:03.81
in our churches, we
are not recognizing that
00:29:03.84\00:29:07.01
when a man
received the Word of God
00:29:07.08\00:29:09.14
or woman
received the Word of God,
00:29:09.18\00:29:10.75
it makes no
difference about their address.
00:29:10.78\00:29:13.72
They become children of God,
equal to any of the rest of us,
00:29:13.75\00:29:18.59
but what we did...
00:29:18.62\00:29:20.59
I was asked to baptize in
this prison where Andre is.
00:29:20.66\00:29:26.93
And Andre, I baptized him.
00:29:27.00\00:29:29.63
But before I did that,
I went to the church board
00:29:29.66\00:29:33.44
and I asked the church
board to authorize the baptism.
00:29:33.47\00:29:37.67
And what the board voted
was that this person would be
00:29:37.71\00:29:42.81
in good standings in the church
00:29:42.84\00:29:44.68
as any other member
and that we would do
00:29:44.71\00:29:48.72
what is needed and was needed.
00:29:48.75\00:29:50.69
And that is we will
make sure that they receive
00:29:50.72\00:29:52.89
Sabbath school quarterlies.
00:29:52.92\00:29:54.49
And if they were indigent,
00:29:54.52\00:29:55.99
meaning they didn't have any one
00:29:56.02\00:29:58.13
to help them
financially in prison,
00:29:58.16\00:30:00.93
we would give part
of the poor fund to them
00:30:00.96\00:30:03.97
because they were
members of the church,
00:30:04.00\00:30:06.00
and we will keep them informed.
00:30:06.03\00:30:07.54
And they would at
least once a month,
00:30:07.57\00:30:10.01
write a letter
with a prayer request,
00:30:10.04\00:30:13.71
with a testimony
00:30:13.78\00:30:15.21
of what was
going on in the prison,
00:30:15.24\00:30:17.25
and with other brothers
receiving the Word of God
00:30:17.28\00:30:20.02
and life changes
00:30:20.05\00:30:21.52
and what was
going on in the house...
00:30:21.55\00:30:23.89
I mean, in the
church behind the walls.
00:30:23.92\00:30:26.05
So we voted on
that, we did, we baptized.
00:30:26.09\00:30:28.69
Now we have people
wanting to be baptized
00:30:28.72\00:30:32.16
in the prison
00:30:32.19\00:30:33.53
because they're
actually becoming a part
00:30:33.60\00:30:35.23
of the church
00:30:35.26\00:30:36.60
and the church
is showing them love
00:30:36.67\00:30:38.23
and ignoring their stigmatism.
00:30:38.27\00:30:41.24
But what we're doing
is we're moving forward
00:30:41.27\00:30:45.04
in transitional
housing now in a big way,
00:30:45.07\00:30:49.64
and we have 72 acres of land,
00:30:49.68\00:30:52.41
and we have the blessings
of our community where we are,
00:30:52.45\00:30:57.42
we're out in the rural area,
00:30:57.49\00:31:00.66
and we have blessings to
actually work with people
00:31:00.69\00:31:04.59
'cause the community
does not had any incidents
00:31:04.63\00:31:07.60
or negatives against us,
they love us and want to see us
00:31:07.63\00:31:11.63
do greater
things in the community.
00:31:11.67\00:31:14.14
And we're looking to
develop a transitional home
00:31:14.17\00:31:17.91
that will be a model
00:31:17.94\00:31:20.58
for how this thing
can and should be done.
00:31:20.61\00:31:23.68
And we're looking to develop
a training center very soon.
00:31:23.75\00:31:27.52
We talked about
a training center,
00:31:27.55\00:31:29.62
I don't know, 25 years ago
00:31:29.65\00:31:32.32
how we would
love to put together
00:31:32.35\00:31:34.06
a training center
where we would have
00:31:34.09\00:31:35.49
the best of the best,
we're doing prison ministry
00:31:35.52\00:31:37.96
and have that which
they can contribute to others
00:31:37.99\00:31:42.16
that are doing prison ministry,
bring our strengths together
00:31:42.20\00:31:44.73
to meet our needs.
00:31:44.77\00:31:46.17
And a training
center is one of the things
00:31:46.20\00:31:47.90
that we're working on as well,
00:31:47.94\00:31:49.94
but not only a training center
00:31:50.01\00:31:51.81
but we're looking
to develop an industry.
00:31:51.84\00:31:54.41
Okay.
00:31:54.44\00:31:55.78
Because if we don't have
a way to put people to work
00:31:55.81\00:31:59.21
that otherwise
wouldn't have something to do
00:31:59.25\00:32:01.48
if we didn't have a way
to provide some training
00:32:01.52\00:32:04.29
for those who would
probably not have a position
00:32:04.32\00:32:08.92
to make a living
and so forth and so on.
00:32:08.96\00:32:12.49
We need to help them with that.
00:32:12.53\00:32:14.66
And we've been talking
to our Brother Wilks about,
00:32:14.70\00:32:18.37
you understand, his industry
00:32:18.40\00:32:20.64
and how we can
become a printing business,
00:32:20.67\00:32:25.14
so to speak.
00:32:25.17\00:32:26.51
Nice.
00:32:26.54\00:32:27.88
And how we could find
some investors to help us
00:32:27.91\00:32:30.68
get the equipment and set up
00:32:30.75\00:32:32.78
and run for a while
until we get on our feet.
00:32:32.81\00:32:35.82
But we can put people to work
00:32:35.85\00:32:37.19
and we can now also train people
00:32:37.22\00:32:40.16
to take our
literature into the community
00:32:40.19\00:32:43.09
and either sell
it or get a donation,
00:32:43.12\00:32:46.49
you understand,
for that ministry.
00:32:46.53\00:32:47.86
So now not only are
they studying the Word of God
00:32:47.90\00:32:50.77
but they have an avenue
to share the Word of God.
00:32:50.80\00:32:53.44
But not only that,
00:32:53.47\00:32:54.80
they could have some
supplemental income from that.
00:32:54.84\00:32:57.54
Yes.
00:32:57.61\00:32:58.94
So we're looking
that area as well.
00:32:58.97\00:33:00.38
So you're equipping
them with trades and tools
00:33:00.41\00:33:02.48
and things that can
get them back to work
00:33:02.51\00:33:06.15
and, as they say,
00:33:06.18\00:33:08.02
a productive citizen of society.
00:33:08.05\00:33:09.45
Exactly.
00:33:09.48\00:33:10.82
Instead of just talk...
00:33:10.89\00:33:12.22
As well as spreading the gospel.
00:33:12.25\00:33:13.59
Well, instead of just
talking of how it goes,
00:33:13.62\00:33:14.96
we know what the need
is, doing something about it.
00:33:14.99\00:33:17.23
Yes. Yes.
00:33:17.26\00:33:18.59
So we are actually
going to that next level.
00:33:18.63\00:33:20.23
United Prison
Ministries International
00:33:20.30\00:33:22.23
is a solid foundation.
00:33:22.26\00:33:24.63
It's a solid foundation.
00:33:24.67\00:33:26.37
But we know once you
build a solid foundation,
00:33:26.40\00:33:28.70
you need to put a frame on it.
00:33:28.74\00:33:30.61
And that's what
we are doing that
00:33:30.64\00:33:32.04
we are framing it
so that it can be...
00:33:32.07\00:33:34.18
And everything that we have
at our disposal will be used
00:33:34.21\00:33:39.75
to further the ministry,
00:33:39.78\00:33:41.38
and we are sharing
with all prison ministries
00:33:41.42\00:33:44.75
because the materials
that we print in the Bibles
00:33:44.79\00:33:48.92
that we buy by the millions,
00:33:48.96\00:33:50.73
every prison
ministry in the world
00:33:50.76\00:33:54.10
and especially in North America.
00:33:54.13\00:33:56.46
We'll be privy to
the same cost we have,
00:33:56.50\00:33:59.97
you know, so we're talking about
00:34:00.04\00:34:02.97
now developing the
United Prison Ministry,
00:34:03.00\00:34:07.48
especially when it comes
to training and supplies.
00:34:07.51\00:34:12.21
We wanna be able to share
with all prison ministries
00:34:12.25\00:34:15.62
that we might be
one prison ministry,
00:34:15.65\00:34:18.09
and we do this
thing state by state
00:34:18.12\00:34:20.76
and help people out
because of the rules
00:34:20.79\00:34:22.72
and the laws of each state.
00:34:22.76\00:34:24.53
You understand,
this thing is gonna grow.
00:34:24.56\00:34:26.16
And we believe that
God has put in the end
00:34:26.19\00:34:29.30
of what I call a laundry list
00:34:29.33\00:34:31.90
in the Book of
Matthew Chapter 25
00:34:31.93\00:34:34.60
is a laundry list to me because
00:34:34.64\00:34:36.44
He goes down this list
and He talk about the things
00:34:36.47\00:34:38.84
we have done in ministry.
00:34:38.87\00:34:41.04
And at the end He says,
"You were sick and in prison,
00:34:41.08\00:34:44.51
and you came on to Me,"
00:34:44.55\00:34:46.08
and I've come to understand
that sick and imprison
00:34:46.11\00:34:48.82
simply mean, that drug addiction
00:34:48.85\00:34:52.19
and so forth and so
on and incarcerated.
00:34:52.22\00:34:54.49
But now when, you understand,
we look at this laundry list,
00:34:54.52\00:34:59.59
we find the last thing
on the list is in prison.
00:34:59.63\00:35:02.93
So we believe
that if we minister
00:35:02.96\00:35:04.87
to the prison
population and minister
00:35:04.90\00:35:07.34
to the
ex-offenders as should be,
00:35:07.37\00:35:09.67
this work will be finished.
00:35:09.70\00:35:11.14
And we'll have other soldiers
to help us finish this work.
00:35:11.17\00:35:13.68
Yeah. I wanna read that quick.
00:35:13.71\00:35:15.04
Please.
00:35:15.08\00:35:16.41
This comes from...
00:35:16.44\00:35:17.78
Starting from verse
36. Matthew Chapter 25.
00:35:17.81\00:35:19.65
Okay.
00:35:19.68\00:35:21.08
And then I'll start in verse 34.
00:35:21.12\00:35:23.89
Okay.
00:35:23.92\00:35:25.25
"Then the King will say
to those on His right hand,
00:35:25.29\00:35:27.92
'Come, you blessed of My Father,
00:35:27.96\00:35:30.23
inherit the
kingdom prepared for you
00:35:30.26\00:35:32.16
from the
foundation of the world,
00:35:32.19\00:35:34.20
for I was hungry
and you gave Me food,
00:35:34.23\00:35:36.53
I was thirsty and
you gave Me drink,
00:35:36.56\00:35:39.07
I was a stranger
and you took Me in,
00:35:39.10\00:35:41.67
I was naked and you clothed Me,
00:35:41.70\00:35:43.91
I was sick and you visited Me,
00:35:43.94\00:35:45.91
I was in prison
and you came to Me.'
00:35:45.94\00:35:48.61
Then the righteous
will answer Him saying,
00:35:48.64\00:35:50.48
'Lord, when did we see
You hungry and feed You
00:35:50.55\00:35:53.25
or thirsty and give You drink?
00:35:53.28\00:35:55.25
When did we see You a
stranger and take You in
00:35:55.28\00:35:57.92
or naked and clothe You?
00:35:57.95\00:35:59.79
Or when did we see You sick
or in prison and come to You?
00:35:59.82\00:36:03.63
And the King will
answer and say to them,
00:36:03.66\00:36:05.93
'Assuredly, I say to say to you,
00:36:05.96\00:36:09.26
inasmuch as you did it
00:36:09.30\00:36:11.37
to one of the least
of these My brethren,
00:36:11.40\00:36:14.14
you did it to Me.'"
00:36:14.17\00:36:15.50
I'm most inspired
by that statement,
00:36:15.54\00:36:17.81
that question that the
Christians asked Jesus,
00:36:17.84\00:36:22.74
"When did we do it?"
00:36:22.78\00:36:25.28
And that question inspires me
00:36:25.31\00:36:26.65
because that question says to me
00:36:26.72\00:36:28.92
that they did it
from their hearts.
00:36:28.95\00:36:30.89
They used everything
they had at their disposal,
00:36:30.92\00:36:33.76
but they were not satisfied
with the quantity of work
00:36:33.79\00:36:40.60
that they had done,
and they wanted to do more,
00:36:40.63\00:36:44.07
and they thought that
maybe they had not done enough.
00:36:44.10\00:36:48.87
But Jesus, through
His mercy, says to them,
00:36:48.90\00:36:53.98
"As much as you done
00:36:54.01\00:36:55.81
unto the least of
these My brethren,
00:36:55.84\00:36:58.01
you've done it on to Me."
00:36:58.05\00:36:59.38
And when all of us,
those who can give financially
00:36:59.41\00:37:04.42
and help us make
this thing happen
00:37:04.45\00:37:06.89
is equal to those
who own the foot soldiers
00:37:06.96\00:37:10.13
that are doing the work
because we're working together.
00:37:10.16\00:37:13.93
I'm reminded of John 17.
00:37:14.00\00:37:16.43
Jesus would pray out loud,
00:37:16.46\00:37:18.03
He would pray and
allow us to hear Him pray.
00:37:18.07\00:37:21.07
We are part of the prayer.
00:37:21.10\00:37:22.70
And He says, "My
prayer, Father, is they be one,"
00:37:22.74\00:37:26.61
and I can see an
opportunity for us to be one
00:37:26.68\00:37:29.44
because if we all work together,
00:37:29.48\00:37:31.48
none of us can do
this by ourselves.
00:37:31.51\00:37:33.92
Yeah.
00:37:33.95\00:37:35.28
No matter how hard we
work in Verbena, Alabama,
00:37:35.32\00:37:38.02
we cannot do this by ourselves.
00:37:38.05\00:37:40.86
Do you go into prisons
and share your testimony?
00:37:40.89\00:37:44.23
I go to prisons
all over the place.
00:37:44.26\00:37:46.13
I've probably
been in every prison
00:37:46.16\00:37:47.50
than the rest of us been.
00:37:47.53\00:37:48.86
Yeah.
00:37:48.90\00:37:50.27
And I do it on a regular basis.
00:37:50.30\00:37:51.63
But I spend most of my
time now working in the field,
00:37:51.67\00:37:55.80
working in the churches,
00:37:55.84\00:37:57.21
helping churches to
understand how important it is
00:37:57.24\00:38:00.38
for us to be a
part of this great work.
00:38:00.41\00:38:02.54
I find myself at conferences
00:38:02.58\00:38:04.95
and I've been consulting
00:38:04.98\00:38:07.88
with our South
Central Conference
00:38:07.92\00:38:10.29
with the Southern Union
00:38:10.32\00:38:11.65
and the North American
Division in these areas.
00:38:11.69\00:38:14.59
I want to also put
because the word united,
00:38:14.62\00:38:17.86
a lot of people are
under the assumption
00:38:17.89\00:38:20.43
that conferences support us
00:38:20.50\00:38:22.76
and that the General
Conference support us,
00:38:22.80\00:38:24.67
and that's not true.
00:38:24.70\00:38:26.03
You guys are a lay ministry.
00:38:26.07\00:38:27.44
We're a lay ministry, a
self-supporting ministry.
00:38:27.47\00:38:29.34
Okay.
00:38:29.37\00:38:30.71
But we have also for
years answered the requests
00:38:30.74\00:38:34.34
that were mailed
to General Conference
00:38:34.38\00:38:36.34
for material.
00:38:36.38\00:38:37.71
Nice. Nice.
00:38:37.75\00:38:39.08
We do it religiously.
00:38:39.11\00:38:41.65
So let me ask you a question.
00:38:41.68\00:38:44.85
What does a typical
day look like for you?
00:38:44.89\00:38:47.56
Okay.
00:38:47.59\00:38:48.92
Well, you know, we
used to feed everybody
00:38:48.96\00:38:51.86
that are on the campus,
00:38:51.89\00:38:53.23
but that was getting
to be too experience...
00:38:53.26\00:38:56.33
Expensive. Expensive.
00:38:56.36\00:38:58.00
But there's phone calls
all the time with inmates now,
00:38:58.03\00:39:03.74
Scotty on the not
inmates, ex-inmates.
00:39:03.81\00:39:08.18
More on the grounds,
00:39:08.21\00:39:09.54
I'm on the
grounds most of the time,
00:39:09.58\00:39:10.95
and I'm working
hands-on with inmates daily.
00:39:10.98\00:39:13.08
Okay, so what does
your day look like?
00:39:13.11\00:39:15.22
My day, usually, goes on
00:39:15.25\00:39:17.62
with meeting with the prisoners,
00:39:17.65\00:39:19.19
talking whether our day
is gonna be with our farm.
00:39:19.22\00:39:21.66
Right now some of the stuff
we're doing is fixing the roofs
00:39:21.69\00:39:24.66
of our main campus building.
00:39:24.69\00:39:27.90
And we're doing a
lot of the landscaping,
00:39:27.93\00:39:29.63
so I have
actually an ex-offender
00:39:29.66\00:39:31.10
who does our landscaping.
00:39:31.13\00:39:32.50
We have an ex-offender,
Yvonne who does our mail run.
00:39:32.53\00:39:35.20
And she also helps
00:39:35.24\00:39:36.57
with our grading
of our certificates.
00:39:36.60\00:39:37.94
Okay.
00:39:37.97\00:39:39.31
So we kind of have
a mixture of things
00:39:39.34\00:39:40.68
that we do daily.
00:39:40.71\00:39:42.04
There's not
really a one similar day.
00:39:42.08\00:39:43.75
Yeah, yeah.
They're always different.
00:39:43.78\00:39:45.48
It's kind of...
00:39:45.51\00:39:46.85
You all wear multiple hats.
00:39:46.92\00:39:48.25
Yes. Yes.
00:39:48.28\00:39:49.62
We all wear multiple hats.
00:39:49.65\00:39:50.99
We all know about that one.
00:39:51.02\00:39:52.35
Yeah, definitely.
00:39:52.39\00:39:53.72
Definitely.
00:39:53.76\00:39:55.09
Well, that's beautiful.
00:39:55.12\00:39:56.46
It sounds like you
guys are being a blessing.
00:39:56.49\00:39:58.49
And, you know,
the interesting thing
00:39:58.53\00:40:00.40
is when you go
into these prisons
00:40:00.43\00:40:03.26
because I have a passion
for prison ministry as well,
00:40:03.30\00:40:05.70
when you go into these
prisons to be a blessing
00:40:05.73\00:40:08.60
and to encourage other people,
00:40:08.64\00:40:10.94
you end up coming
out of there so blessed,
00:40:10.97\00:40:14.64
it's an amazing experience.
00:40:14.68\00:40:17.15
And maybe you at
home haven't had a chance
00:40:17.18\00:40:20.72
to get involved
with prison ministry.
00:40:20.75\00:40:22.75
Maybe you've
been kind of hesitant
00:40:22.78\00:40:24.32
to get involved.
00:40:24.35\00:40:25.69
Get involved.
00:40:25.72\00:40:27.26
And you'll see what a
hunger some of the people
00:40:27.29\00:40:33.93
that are behind bars
have for the Word of God.
00:40:34.00\00:40:36.70
I've been into prison
before and seen a Bible
00:40:36.77\00:40:39.93
given to an individual
00:40:39.97\00:40:41.67
and tears just
coming down his face.
00:40:41.70\00:40:44.01
And you guys are
sharing the Bible,
00:40:44.04\00:40:48.28
"What the Bible Says,"
00:40:48.31\00:40:50.45
with those that
are incarcerated.
00:40:50.48\00:40:53.42
And the
powerful thing about that
00:40:53.45\00:40:56.45
is it's what the Bible says,
00:40:56.48\00:40:58.02
like, I mean, it leads
them to look in their Bible
00:40:58.05\00:41:01.56
for the answers
to the questions.
00:41:01.59\00:41:03.66
So they're going
to the Word of God.
00:41:03.73\00:41:06.39
And they're finding the
answers to the questions.
00:41:06.43\00:41:09.46
And these are
questions that everybody has.
00:41:09.50\00:41:15.10
Now that's why we wanted
to have a training center
00:41:15.14\00:41:18.04
for those that are
really interested in going
00:41:18.07\00:41:20.98
and don't know
exactly what to do
00:41:21.01\00:41:22.98
because there is
certain things you should not do
00:41:23.01\00:41:26.38
and those
things that you should.
00:41:26.41\00:41:27.95
Now one of the things is
to always know your scriptures
00:41:27.98\00:41:31.39
so that you can answer
questions from the Word,
00:41:31.42\00:41:34.79
don't give your opinion.
00:41:34.82\00:41:37.03
We're gonna have
to stick with the Word
00:41:37.06\00:41:39.16
'cause Jesus said it is written.
00:41:39.19\00:41:41.83
His answers were
from the scriptures
00:41:41.86\00:41:43.67
and that's what we should do.
00:41:43.70\00:41:45.03
Yeah. So that is a must.
00:41:45.07\00:41:46.67
Yeah.
00:41:46.74\00:41:48.07
And there's a
certain love you share.
00:41:48.10\00:41:54.18
But you don't get an
emotional attachment.
00:41:54.21\00:41:59.88
I don't know
how to explain that.
00:41:59.91\00:42:01.42
That was good.
00:42:01.45\00:42:04.29
That we don't want
women to go in there
00:42:04.32\00:42:07.06
and have an inmate want
to have her phone number
00:42:07.09\00:42:11.13
or write or stuff like that,
00:42:11.16\00:42:12.79
you know, and if
you do write an inmate,
00:42:12.83\00:42:15.23
it should be
strictly on a spiritual level
00:42:15.26\00:42:18.50
and not on to get
involved in a romantic level.
00:42:18.53\00:42:22.44
Never give your home
address or anything like that.
00:42:22.47\00:42:25.07
You have to
remember where you are.
00:42:25.11\00:42:26.81
Right.
00:42:26.88\00:42:28.21
And you just need to be trained.
00:42:28.24\00:42:29.74
And that's why we want to
get the training center going,
00:42:29.78\00:42:33.05
but we've been
talking about this for years.
00:42:33.08\00:42:34.68
But we are on
our way now to do it.
00:42:34.72\00:42:36.62
Yes. Amen.
00:42:36.69\00:42:38.02
Amen. Well, praise the Lord.
00:42:38.05\00:42:39.39
And we hope that our viewers
will support this initiative
00:42:39.42\00:42:42.89
as well.
00:42:42.92\00:42:44.59
You know, Scott
Michael Bennett blessed us
00:42:44.63\00:42:47.20
with Go Light Your World.
00:42:47.23\00:42:49.06
Now he's gonna bless
us in song with Blessings.
00:42:49.10\00:42:53.54
We pray for blessings
00:43:09.55\00:43:13.46
We pray for peace
00:43:13.49\00:43:17.43
Comfort for family
00:43:17.46\00:43:20.60
Protection while we sleep
00:43:20.63\00:43:25.07
We pray for healing
00:43:25.10\00:43:28.84
For prosperity
00:43:28.87\00:43:32.24
We pray for Your mighty hand
00:43:32.27\00:43:35.84
To ease our suffering
00:43:35.88\00:43:39.78
And all the while
00:43:39.81\00:43:43.39
You hear each spoken need
00:43:43.42\00:43:47.46
Yet love is way too much
00:43:47.49\00:43:50.33
To give us lesser things
00:43:50.36\00:43:54.33
'Cause what if your
blessings come through raindrops
00:43:54.36\00:43:58.33
What if Your
healing comes through tears
00:43:58.37\00:44:01.90
And what if a
thousand sleepless nights
00:44:01.94\00:44:05.61
Are what it takes
to know You're near
00:44:05.64\00:44:11.38
And what if trials of this life
00:44:11.41\00:44:15.78
Are Your mercies in disguise
00:44:15.82\00:44:21.52
We pray for wisdom
00:44:33.64\00:44:37.54
Your voice to hear
00:44:37.61\00:44:40.78
And we cry out in anger
00:44:40.81\00:44:44.05
When we cannot feel You near
00:44:44.08\00:44:49.05
We doubt Your goodness
00:44:49.08\00:44:52.85
We doubt Your love
00:44:52.89\00:44:56.29
As if every promise
00:44:56.32\00:44:59.36
From Your Word is not enough
00:44:59.39\00:45:03.37
And all the while
00:45:03.40\00:45:07.24
You hear each desperate plea
00:45:07.27\00:45:11.11
And You long that
we'd have faith to believe
00:45:11.14\00:45:17.88
'Cause what if your
blessings come through raindrops
00:45:17.91\00:45:22.02
What if Your
healing comes through tears
00:45:22.05\00:45:25.52
And what if a
thousand sleepless nights
00:45:25.55\00:45:29.26
Are what it takes
to know You're near
00:45:29.29\00:45:34.96
And what if trials of this life
00:45:35.00\00:45:39.30
Are Your mercies in disguise
00:45:39.33\00:45:46.01
When friends betray us
00:45:46.04\00:45:49.88
When darkness seems to win
00:45:49.91\00:45:52.48
We know this pain
reminds our hearts
00:45:52.51\00:45:56.69
That this is not
No, this is not our home
00:45:56.72\00:46:03.06
It's not our home
00:46:06.70\00:46:09.96
'Cause what if Your
blessings come through raindrops
00:46:16.30\00:46:20.38
What if Your
healing comes through tears
00:46:20.41\00:46:23.88
And what if a
thousand sleepless nights
00:46:23.95\00:46:27.52
Are what it takes
to know You're near
00:46:27.55\00:46:33.86
What if my
greatest disappointments
00:46:33.89\00:46:38.46
Or the aching of this life
00:46:38.49\00:46:42.03
Is the revealing
of a greater thirst
00:46:42.06\00:46:46.94
This world can't satisfy
00:46:46.97\00:46:52.84
What if trials of this life
00:46:52.87\00:46:57.55
The rain, the
storms, the hardest nights
00:46:57.58\00:47:02.48
Are Your mercies in disguise
00:47:02.52\00:47:09.29
What another beautiful song
entitled Blessings by Scott.
00:47:30.48\00:47:35.78
You know, we were
talking about how,
00:47:35.82\00:47:40.46
you know, reducing
the recidivism rate,
00:47:40.49\00:47:42.89
things that you
want to see with UPMI
00:47:42.92\00:47:47.53
creating industry
and equipping people
00:47:47.60\00:47:51.20
with trades and all that.
00:47:51.23\00:47:52.83
What are some of the
things that you guys need?
00:47:52.87\00:47:56.60
We've been talking about
00:47:56.64\00:47:58.04
developing that
industry right there
00:47:58.07\00:48:00.38
on the campus of UPMI.
00:48:00.41\00:48:02.98
And that industry will be
printing materials that we use.
00:48:03.01\00:48:06.51
Printing materials
that Brother Wilks can use,
00:48:06.55\00:48:11.29
and printing
material that the inmates,
00:48:11.32\00:48:13.96
those who are ex-offenders
can take to the community
00:48:13.99\00:48:16.93
and use for supplemental income
and sharing the Word of God.
00:48:16.96\00:48:21.23
So what we need
is donors to help us.
00:48:21.26\00:48:25.80
Get the equipment
and set up that industry
00:48:25.83\00:48:28.97
so that we can become
supporters of ourselves,
00:48:29.00\00:48:32.51
so we can help defray
the cost of the donors
00:48:32.54\00:48:36.28
who are helping us so well now,
00:48:36.31\00:48:38.11
but help them provide finances
00:48:38.15\00:48:41.62
that we might
continue this ministry
00:48:41.65\00:48:43.08
and continue to make it grow.
00:48:43.12\00:48:46.62
And what...
00:48:46.65\00:48:48.79
So you need finances.
00:48:48.82\00:48:50.23
What about volunteers?
00:48:50.26\00:48:51.59
What about workers?
00:48:51.63\00:48:52.96
Do you need people to
help at all in terms of...
00:48:52.99\00:48:57.07
like are you
looking for any volunteers
00:48:57.10\00:48:59.30
that can get on board
with UPMI as well or what?
00:48:59.33\00:49:03.81
The training center
will actually train people
00:49:03.84\00:49:06.14
to get involved.
00:49:06.17\00:49:07.51
We have an industry,
well, actually we have a studio
00:49:07.58\00:49:10.05
that we are cranking
up so that we can use it
00:49:10.08\00:49:12.78
to actually make
some training videos
00:49:12.81\00:49:15.82
and that kind of a thing.
00:49:15.85\00:49:17.19
So it's always a
room for volunteers.
00:49:17.22\00:49:19.79
A lot of our
volunteers will be those
00:49:19.82\00:49:21.76
who have gotten out of
prison and need a place to,
00:49:21.79\00:49:24.53
you understand, so that
00:49:24.56\00:49:25.89
'cause we have group counseling,
00:49:25.93\00:49:27.33
where they come
in on a weekly basis
00:49:27.40\00:49:29.86
and sometimes bi-weekly
and actually sit in groups
00:49:29.90\00:49:32.57
and talk about the needs
00:49:32.60\00:49:33.94
and the problems they're having.
00:49:33.97\00:49:35.30
And we actually
give them some counsel
00:49:35.34\00:49:36.91
on how to get through the day,
00:49:36.94\00:49:38.27
how to get through the
week, how to get things done,
00:49:38.31\00:49:41.11
how to apply for partners,
and how to apply for...
00:49:41.14\00:49:45.88
I forget the word now I think...
00:49:45.91\00:49:48.42
Like to get the record expunged.
00:49:48.45\00:49:50.19
Expunged, that's
the kind of thing.
00:49:50.22\00:49:51.75
I think they call it
like sealing the record.
00:49:51.79\00:49:54.59
Exactly. Exactly.
00:49:54.62\00:49:55.96
So we need volunteers
from every walk of life,
00:49:55.99\00:49:58.93
everyone can be a part of,
00:49:58.96\00:50:01.03
and don't have
to be on the campus
00:50:01.06\00:50:04.30
to do volunteer work for us.
00:50:04.33\00:50:06.74
We need people to
answer our phone calls,
00:50:06.77\00:50:08.74
we want to do a hotline
00:50:08.77\00:50:10.11
where people who are in trouble,
00:50:10.14\00:50:12.17
they're released from prison
00:50:12.21\00:50:13.78
and they just need
to talk to somebody.
00:50:13.81\00:50:15.88
We need volunteers
to do a lot of things.
00:50:15.91\00:50:18.15
So yes, we do.
00:50:18.18\00:50:19.75
Always need
volunteers. Wonderful.
00:50:19.78\00:50:21.22
And you have
00:50:21.25\00:50:22.58
a
correspondence program as well?
00:50:22.62\00:50:24.65
Yes.
00:50:24.69\00:50:26.02
Where people
write inmates as well.
00:50:26.05\00:50:27.39
Yes.
00:50:27.46\00:50:28.79
Yes, we need volunteers
to do all kinds of things.
00:50:28.82\00:50:30.16
But we wanna actually make sure
that everyone is on one accord
00:50:30.19\00:50:34.20
with the training
00:50:34.23\00:50:35.56
and we'll talk about
that at some later time
00:50:35.60\00:50:37.07
how our program actually works
00:50:37.10\00:50:39.87
because we meet
the needs mentally,
00:50:39.90\00:50:42.57
physically,
socially, and spiritual.
00:50:42.60\00:50:45.61
It's like a car,
four wheels on a car.
00:50:45.64\00:50:49.01
No matter which one is flat,
00:50:49.04\00:50:50.95
no matter which
one is out of line,
00:50:50.98\00:50:53.11
or which one is
not properly balanced,
00:50:53.15\00:50:55.68
it disables the whole car.
00:50:55.72\00:50:57.79
The same way with the person.
00:50:57.82\00:50:59.69
We have mental, physical,
social, and spiritual beings.
00:50:59.72\00:51:02.29
So we need volunteers
to help in all those areas.
00:51:02.32\00:51:04.13
Amen.
00:51:04.16\00:51:05.49
Well, we hope we can find
00:51:05.53\00:51:06.90
some of those volunteers for you
00:51:06.93\00:51:08.26
and some people to support
the cause of prison ministry
00:51:08.30\00:51:12.40
with UPMI.
00:51:12.43\00:51:13.77
We are going to now
go to your address roll,
00:51:13.84\00:51:17.91
and then we'll come
right back after this.
00:51:17.94\00:51:20.58
United Prison
Ministries International
00:51:23.08\00:51:25.38
is dedicated to
spreading the Word of God
00:51:25.41\00:51:27.78
throughout the world.
00:51:27.82\00:51:29.15
Their ministry
is totally dependent
00:51:29.18\00:51:31.19
on their supporters'
tax deductible donations.
00:51:31.22\00:51:34.16
To discover all the wonderful
volunteer opportunities
00:51:34.19\00:51:37.36
or to support UPMI financially,
please visit their website,
00:51:37.43\00:51:41.36
UPMI.org.
00:51:41.40\00:51:43.23
You may also call them
at area code (205) 755-4744.
00:51:43.26\00:51:49.50
If you would
like to write to them,
00:51:49.54\00:51:51.17
you may address your letter
00:51:51.21\00:51:52.54
to United Prison
Ministries International,
00:51:52.57\00:51:55.14
Post Office Box 8,
Verbena, Alabama 36091.
00:51:55.18\00:52:00.55