I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang
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but you know that if
you have tuned in before.
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If this is your first
time, note this channel,
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we believe that the
Lord has ordained it
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to get people ready
for the coming of the Lord.
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And I am particularly
excited about today's program.
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Now, I believe in the
three angels' messages.
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I wrote a booklet on
that, still plug in there
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but today, we have three
guests that are not angels
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but they are flying
in the midst of heaven.
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And you'll find
out in just a moment
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what I mean by that.
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But this is an exciting program
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because there are
places in the world
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that cannot be
reached other than by flight
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and these three
gentlemen will tell you
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how you can enhance your future,
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how you can
experience what it means
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to get off the ground
without your own wings
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and be able to either
navigate or pilot a plane
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and since I like flight,
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I am really looking forward
to the rest of this interview.
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But before we go any further,
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thank you for all that
you do for this network
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as we continue going and growing
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getting ready for
the coming of our Lord.
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We're gonna be
blessed with a wonderful song
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my good dear
sister, Yvonne Lewis-Shelton
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is gonna bless us with
the song "In Christ Alone."
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In Christ alone my hope is found
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He is my light,
my strength, my song
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This
Cornerstone, this solid ground
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Firm through the
fiercest drought and storm
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What heights of
love, what depths of peace
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When fears are
stilled, when strivings cease
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My Comforter, my All in All
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Here in the love
of Christ I stand
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In Christ alone,
who took on flesh
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Fullness of God
in a helpless babe
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This gift of
love and righteousness
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Scorned by the
ones He came to save
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'Til on that cross as Jesus died
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The wrath of God was satisfied
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For every sin on Him was laid
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Here in the
death of Christ I live
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There in the ground His body lay
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Light of the
world by darkness slain
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Then bursting
forth in glorious day
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Up from the grave He rose again
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And as He stands in victory
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Sin's curse has
lost its grip on me
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For I am His and He is mine
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Bought with the
precious blood of Christ
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No guilt in
life, no fear in death
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This is the
power of Christ in me
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From life's first
cry to final breath
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Jesus commands my destiny
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No power of
hell, no scheme of man
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Can ever pluck me from His hand
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Till He returns to take me home
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Here in the power
of Christ I'll stand
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No power of
hell, no scheme of man
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Can ever pluck me from His hand
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Here in the power
of Christ I'll stand.
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Thank you so much
for that song Yvonne,
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I appreciate that.
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Now let me take the time
to introduce our guests today.
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To my immediate
right is David Macomber.
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Am I saying that
correctly? Macomber.
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See, you gotta
throw that accent at me.
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Sorry.
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But hey, good
to have you, David.
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Welcome to 3ABN. Thank you.
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And briefly tell our viewers
and listeners what your role is
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at the Andrews University
Department of Aviation?
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Well, so I teach
at the university.
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I teach on the flight side,
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so I am preparing our
students for all the knowledge
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that they need to know
as well as tracking them
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when they are going
through flight training
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to make sure
that they're learning
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everything they need to know
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as they
progress in their career.
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Understanding all the
things that pertain to aviation.
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All the switches and everything
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that's going on in
the back of the airplane,
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everything that's
going on in the pilot's mind.
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There's a lot to it and
so I'm gonna make sure...
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We're gonna dive into
some of those details.
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I love flight.
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And Jonathan Larson,
good to have you here today.
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Thank you.
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And tell our viewers
and listeners what you do is
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as it pertains to
the aviation program?
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I'm the Director of Maintenance.
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So we do all of
our own maintenance
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for the airplanes in house.
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So every hundred
flight hours and every annual
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I can take the airplane apart,
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take all the
inspection panels off
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and the seats out
and make sure the things
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that are supposed
to move still move
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and those that aren't
supposed to move aren't moving.
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So we make sure
the airplanes are safe
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and good to go for the students.
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That is important to know
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because when you
are clear for takeoff,
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it's good to know
you'll be able to come back.
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Yes. Thank you.
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Good to have here, Jonathan.
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And Assistant
Professor, Jeremy Alexander.
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Good to have you here today.
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Thank you very much, Pastor.
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Once again, Jeremy Alexander,
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I work alongside these
two quality gentlemen here.
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They help keep me in check.
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They also teach me a lot
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and so it's
privilege to work with them.
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Once again, I teach classes
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along with giving
flight instruction.
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Soon enough,
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I'll be in the
same position as David
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as the assistant
chief flight instructor,
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and I'll also be able
to give checks as well.
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Okay.
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But in the meantime, I'm
happy learning the process.
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Okay, good.
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I found out a
small detail about you
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not too long ago
that you were in the Navy
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and you were a
pilot in the Navy.
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Just kind of
briefly tell us about that?
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That is correct.
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I was a carrier
qualified Navy pilot
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for the period of
about four and half years.
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It's certainly a
tremendous experience
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and I learned a lot
from that, you know.
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Probably share a
bit more about that too
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as the interview goes on.
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Okay.
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But yeah, quite an experience.
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So you've taken off
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and landed on an
air craft career.
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That is correct.
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Did they stabilize the
ocean to make it easier?
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Oh, that would certainly be nice
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but you know, you don't
always get that privilege.
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Wow, I've seen that
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in outside of a nice,
safe, flight simulator.
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I haven't had that experience,
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but so glad to
have you here today.
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David, give us a
little brief history
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of the program at Andrews.
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How long has it been around?
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What kind of impact
has it had on the world?
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Well, so Andrews has been around
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since the early 1970s.
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Right.
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And for sort of
flight program specifically.
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Yeah.
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And Andrews actually started out
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as kind of the
mission aviation hub
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for the Adventist Church.
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So from a span from
roughly 1976 to 1979,
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Andrews was involved
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in putting out
dozens of airplanes.
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We have record of collaborating
with Quiet Hour Ministries
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to put out about 50
airplanes in that span of time.
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And by the end of the 1970's
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we had about 120
aircrafts worldwide serving
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in mission
positions of the world.
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Wow, that's an
interesting statistic
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because when you
think about a university,
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well, you know,
the other universities,
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I'm sure that
have flight programs
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but that was a best kept secret.
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I've been to Andrews many times.
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I've seen the baseball field.
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I've seen so much of
the campus but I never knew
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they were hiding a flight school
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behind the little bakery.
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No, it wasn't rare,
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but it's a very
interesting program.
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And how long have you
been involved in the program?
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So I've been
involved with the program
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since early 2018.
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Okay.
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So I'm involved with it,
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before that I
was a mission pilot
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in Chad, Africa.
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And I actually came
and do the program here
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with 3ABN before
talking about that project.
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And now God has guided me
and brought me to Andrews,
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so it's a privilege
to be involved with it.
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Wow, that's wonderful.
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And that's interesting to see
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that the school offers
that kind of curriculum.
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How many students
practically right,
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Jonathan, do you
know or even Jeremy,
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what kind of
student base do you have
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that's interested in
this kind of program?
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At Andrews, we
have a flight program
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and a maintenance program.
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So we've got
about a dozen students
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in the maintenance program
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and about 30 or 40
students in the flight program.
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And there any
that do both programs?
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Absolutely.
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Okay, 'cause if you fly,
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you want to know how
your plane is working?
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Yeah, so those
that are interested,
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we highly recommend having both
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and then you're well rounded,
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complete individual
ready for the industry.
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That's good and...
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We have scholarships for
those that choose to do both,
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just because we
encourage it so much.
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That's right.
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I like that
because it does cost.
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It's not like a
regular curriculum.
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Just give us...
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And we're gonna talk about
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some of the
funding and scholarships
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that can go along with helping
this kind of program go on.
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But just give us an
idea of what it cost like
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that a four year
program for a flight
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including flight hours and
use of the plane generally?
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So, in general terms right now
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we're sitting at
about the cost of tuition
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for Andrews plus $65,000
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and that brings you
from zero experience
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all the way until you can
start teaching other people
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how to fly an aircraft.
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That's good because that's
what you wanna be able to good.
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That's right.
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And that includes
flight experience,
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landing and takeoff?
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Flight
experience, land and take off
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and everything in between.
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Yep, we even train you
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into how to fly in a
crew type environment,
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preparing you for the airlines.
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And we have a
letter of authorization
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from the FAA that
allows our graduates
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to go to the
airlines in a 1000 hours
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rather than 1500
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which is the
current regular requirement
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before anybody going
through flight training.
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So that's saying that the
training is very extensive.
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Yeah, because of the
airplanes that we have,
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because of our maintenance,
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because of our teachers,
because of our curriculum,
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all of that comes
together in a complete package
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and because it's more
complete and more thorough
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than just going and flying your
own airplane for 1500 hours.
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The FAA says that
you get better training,
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if you come
through our curriculum.
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Did you hear that?
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Better training
flight instruction
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as well as maintenance
at Andrews University.
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When you talk
about 500 hours less
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by going through this
program, that's cost effective.
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That's right. And that's a lot.
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I mean, that 500
hours is 500 hours.
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When you talk
about running a plane
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to get 500 hours
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or going to get
500 hours training
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or whatever the case may
be, when you put that together,
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'cause you've been
on an aircraft carrier,
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talk about the maintenance?
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I mean, you're talking
about the United States Navy,
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those guys that when
that plane takes off,
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how critical is the
maintenance of an airplane?
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Oh, it's incredibly critical.
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The components, they just,
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they really
can't fail, you know,
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they have to work yeah
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'cause otherwise
you're gonna find yourself
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going for a swim
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or having to
unfortunately punch out
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which is not a
funniest aspect to flying.
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Right. Yeah.
00:14:28.23\00:14:29.56
And punch out is not
a physical act but...
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No, I'm sorry,
eject out of the airplane.
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Right, eject, okay, good.
00:14:32.40\00:14:33.84
I want to clarify that
'cause I knew what you meant.
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But, you know,
somebody might say,
00:14:35.64\00:14:37.21
why would they hit
the fight instructor...
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You can't exactly pull
off on the side of the road
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and fix your broken tire.
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You've got to know
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how to handle
everything that comes.
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That's right.
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So you are very particular,
00:14:47.22\00:14:48.62
Jonathan, about
what you approve?
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That's right. Yeah.
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So at the end of my inspections,
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I have a log book entry
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and I put my name on it
and if something happens,
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the FAA is coming
and asking me questions.
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So yeah, I
mean, everything I do,
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I have to be very particular
00:15:01.66\00:15:03.00
and very specific
about to make sure
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that it's 100% top
notch ready to go every time.
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Yeah.
00:15:06.53\00:15:07.87
And the reason
I'm approaching this
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so early in the
program is this that,
00:15:09.64\00:15:12.04
you know, you
hear about accidents,
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whether it's a
single engine plane,
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or whether it's
a commercial jet,
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FAA is involved at every level.
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Yes. That's right.
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They'll see what happened.
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Like I heard about some planes
that it collided in Alaska and,
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you know, the
unfortunate incident there
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that which is pretty commercial,
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taking people to
see the mountains
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and the things in.
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And so those
small little details
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is the difference
between life and death.
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So there's nothing
that you can overlook?
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Yep.
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So we've got,
one of our airplanes
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is from 1959 and
it's still flying
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because we do maintenance.
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I mean, how many cars
are on the road from 1959?
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That's true.
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But we just inspect them
all the time and make sure
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that they're all
up and if anything is,
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is even looking
like it's starting to go,
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we replace it and
make sure it's safe.
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Yeah, and I'm a
little bit more detailed
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in flight than many of
the regular talk show hosts.
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Because I like to fly too
00:16:05.83\00:16:07.40
but do not ask me
to fly you in my plane,
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I don't have one
unless you wanna be
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in a model airplane.
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But so you know about the field,
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like how long
this piece of equipment
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should be in a
plane, it shouldn't go
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beyond these hours and
all that kind of thing?
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Yeah. Good, good.
00:16:19.41\00:16:20.88
But now give us some more,
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talk about some
of your missions,
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because each one of you
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has been involved in
some type of mission.
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Talk about some
of these missions
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that you've been involved in?
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Well, you know,
the interesting thing
00:16:32.35\00:16:34.62
about being a pilot is
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we happen to have a
very unique perspective
00:16:38.99\00:16:41.03
being in the air.
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And also, just
as it happens to be
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in Revelation 14:6 talks about,
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"I saw another angel
flying in the midst of heaven,
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proclaiming the gospel to those
that dwell upon the earth."
00:16:50.04\00:16:52.37
And so like you
said, we may not be angels,
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but we do have the
opportunity to spread the gospel
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and we can use
flight to do that.
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There is a man by
the name of Dick Hall,
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he took that very seriously.
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Back in 1957,
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he was a pastor missionary to...
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I think it was the Hmong
people in the country of Laos.
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He helped them
build the church there.
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It was actually the
first Adventist presence
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in that country.
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And because of his energy,
00:17:20.24\00:17:22.67
effort he put
forth their people,
00:17:22.70\00:17:24.71
I mean, a whole
nation group in fact,
00:17:24.74\00:17:27.21
in the Adventist Church
00:17:27.28\00:17:28.61
who would not have been
00:17:28.64\00:17:29.98
had he not been able to do that,
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it was all because
he was able to fly,
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which is pretty awesome.
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And it shows how
important it can be for us.
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And this also, it also
has an impact to you too,
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because you had somewhat
of a conversion experience
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when you were
involved in the Navy,
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tell us about that?
00:17:44.73\00:17:46.33
Well, very, I'll try to
keep it as short as possible,
00:17:46.36\00:17:50.57
but I did have a
conversion experience
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and I'd always been searching,
trying to learn Bible truth
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and I've been to
several different churches.
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You know, I won't
name denominations,
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but I wasn't
afraid to ask questions
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and so that's what I did.
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And as I read the Bible,
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I kept on seeing
things about the Sabbath.
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You know, I was like,
00:18:10.39\00:18:11.72
well, I think that's
more of a legalistic thing
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that doesn't apply to us now.
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And I asked my
pastors, I got like,
00:18:15.59\00:18:18.03
three different
answers from all of them.
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And so I decided,
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well, I'm just
going to research myself,
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it can't hurt me, you know,
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I'm supposed to know
the Bible for myself.
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And so I did.
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And the more I read the Bible,
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the more I realized
00:18:28.97\00:18:30.41
that perhaps I wasn't
as right as I thought I was
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that the Bible
actually talks about the Sabbath
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and the Sabbath
still applies today.
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And that just
changed my perspective
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on things actually.
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And, in fact,
while I was in the Navy,
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I would have to say that,
00:18:47.09\00:18:48.69
it probably led me to
desire a different lifestyle
00:18:48.72\00:18:52.49
than I had then
00:18:52.53\00:18:54.13
and according to my
own personal convictions,
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I felt that it was
time for me to go elsewhere
00:18:57.87\00:19:00.44
and God
miraculously worked it out
00:19:00.47\00:19:02.67
so that I could do that
00:19:02.70\00:19:04.04
and actually learn
and submit my faith more
00:19:04.11\00:19:07.01
and that's beautiful.
00:19:07.08\00:19:08.41
Yeah. That was interesting.
00:19:08.44\00:19:09.78
And that was as
you are transitioning
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out of the military...
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Correct.
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Because the Lord had
another direction for you...
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He did.
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That you were not aware of but,
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you know, those little
taps on the heart's door
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made a difference.
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He sort of speak navigated you.
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He did.
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He became the lead pilot.
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He was the lead pilot,
I was his wingman, yeah.
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Wow, that's
interesting, but now,
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you talked about missions.
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Share some more about missions,
00:19:38.01\00:19:39.34
because missions could be
in various parts of the world
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but in various aspects,
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and how does flight
play a role in missions?
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Well, I think
one of the big things
00:19:48.88\00:19:50.59
with flight and
missions, you know,
00:19:50.62\00:19:52.95
you think about the
quintessential mission pilot
00:19:52.99\00:19:57.43
who's flying into these
remote unimproved strips,
00:19:57.46\00:20:01.33
and drop it off Bible workers
00:20:01.36\00:20:03.16
or construction materials
00:20:03.20\00:20:04.53
to build a church
and stuff like that.
00:20:04.57\00:20:06.74
And that is definitely
a very necessary part.
00:20:06.77\00:20:11.97
But being a mission pilot,
00:20:12.01\00:20:14.34
you also have the
opportunity to reach others
00:20:14.38\00:20:17.15
who may not necessarily
00:20:17.18\00:20:19.81
have the contact
that you would need.
00:20:19.85\00:20:22.15
For instance,
you're meeting with
00:20:22.18\00:20:23.69
the civil aviation
authorities in that country.
00:20:23.72\00:20:28.06
You're meeting with
other missionary families.
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So one story that
I have from that is,
00:20:31.36\00:20:35.03
I was working.
00:20:35.06\00:20:36.40
When I was in Africa,
00:20:36.43\00:20:37.77
I had the opportunity
00:20:37.80\00:20:39.13
to share an understanding
of the state of the dead
00:20:39.17\00:20:44.24
with another missionary,
mission pilot who was there.
00:20:44.31\00:20:49.14
He was working with one
of the evangelical groups.
00:20:49.18\00:20:52.08
And, you know, God sorted it out
00:20:52.11\00:20:56.69
so that we were able to
talk about this subject.
00:20:56.72\00:21:00.99
And, you know, we
just opened up a discussion
00:21:01.02\00:21:03.73
and we're like, okay,
so do you believe this?
00:21:03.76\00:21:07.10
Why do you believe that?
00:21:07.13\00:21:08.63
And well, you know,
00:21:08.66\00:21:10.00
I was able to sit down with him
00:21:10.07\00:21:11.40
and have lunch
and talk through it.
00:21:11.43\00:21:13.64
And we were
saying, you know, like,
00:21:13.67\00:21:18.37
how can the soul be eternal?
00:21:18.41\00:21:21.11
It says in
eternally burning fire,
00:21:21.14\00:21:22.78
but fire can only burn
00:21:22.81\00:21:24.25
as long as there's wood to burn.
00:21:24.28\00:21:26.35
That's right.
00:21:26.38\00:21:27.72
And so bringing these
truths and these principles,
00:21:27.75\00:21:30.19
I was being able
to reach him at a spot
00:21:30.22\00:21:34.06
where he was
supposed to be serving
00:21:34.09\00:21:35.59
and he was
supposed to be ministering,
00:21:35.62\00:21:37.96
but God gave me that
opportunity to reach him,
00:21:37.99\00:21:43.13
and I don't think anybody else
00:21:43.16\00:21:44.50
would have been
able to reach him
00:21:44.53\00:21:45.87
in the same way
and that's a moment.
00:21:45.90\00:21:47.24
Right because you being a pilot,
00:21:47.27\00:21:49.04
him being also
involved in the same thing...
00:21:49.07\00:21:50.81
That's right.
00:21:50.84\00:21:52.17
Brought you to a point
an intersection that is,
00:21:52.21\00:21:54.51
that's really good
and it makes a difference,
00:21:54.54\00:21:57.65
what people believe in.
00:21:57.68\00:21:59.01
I think about
flight in this respect
00:21:59.05\00:22:01.02
and if you compare
flight and spirituality
00:22:01.05\00:22:03.79
or the Bible
together, details matter.
00:22:03.82\00:22:06.99
Jonathan, do details matter?
00:22:07.06\00:22:08.56
Absolutely. Okay.
00:22:08.59\00:22:10.93
That's a small detail.
00:22:10.96\00:22:12.89
It's just a small crack.
00:22:12.93\00:22:15.46
Not a big issue
right now, it'd be okay,
00:22:15.50\00:22:18.17
use for maybe 10
or 12 more flights.
00:22:18.20\00:22:20.14
I mean, who knows?
00:22:20.17\00:22:22.30
Details matter. Details matter.
00:22:22.34\00:22:24.11
They make a difference.
00:22:24.14\00:22:25.47
But you also had an experience
to touch a person's life
00:22:25.51\00:22:31.25
when an unfortunate experience
happened with somebody
00:22:31.28\00:22:33.82
that you were able
to get in touch with,
00:22:33.85\00:22:35.48
talk about that?
00:22:35.52\00:22:36.89
So the Lord has blessed me
00:22:36.92\00:22:38.25
in a lot of my
ministering opportunities
00:22:38.29\00:22:40.36
have been more
friendship evangelism.
00:22:40.39\00:22:42.86
And so right after I
got out of AMP school,
00:22:42.89\00:22:44.63
I was in a shop
00:22:44.66\00:22:45.99
where we were
painting airplanes,
00:22:46.03\00:22:47.40
and one of my co-workers,
00:22:47.43\00:22:48.90
I was there for
about a year and a half
00:22:48.93\00:22:50.27
and it was a secular shop.
00:22:50.30\00:22:52.37
And you know,
00:22:52.40\00:22:53.74
being a
Christian in secular shop,
00:22:53.77\00:22:55.10
it was difficult in
a lot of circumstances,
00:22:55.14\00:22:57.14
but, you know,
00:22:57.21\00:22:58.54
I chose to remain
faithful and my conversation
00:22:58.57\00:23:00.98
and the way I
interacted with my co-workers
00:23:01.01\00:23:03.04
was very intentional.
00:23:03.08\00:23:04.78
And so while I was there,
00:23:04.81\00:23:06.25
one of my co-workers,
his daughter was born,
00:23:06.28\00:23:07.95
but she was born
with a heart defect.
00:23:07.98\00:23:10.32
And a couple of
months later, she went away.
00:23:10.39\00:23:11.95
She passed away,
that's very unfortunate.
00:23:11.99\00:23:14.29
But that night,
when she passed away,
00:23:14.32\00:23:16.09
my co-worker called me.
00:23:16.12\00:23:18.63
And I was the person
00:23:18.66\00:23:21.13
that he called in
the middle of the night
00:23:21.16\00:23:22.80
when he needed this help.
00:23:22.83\00:23:24.17
Wow.
00:23:24.20\00:23:25.53
And so I spent some
time with him on the phone
00:23:25.57\00:23:27.07
and prayed with him.
00:23:27.14\00:23:28.47
And it's very touching too,
00:23:28.50\00:23:31.04
even though being in
a secular environment,
00:23:31.07\00:23:33.68
to have that connection
00:23:33.71\00:23:35.04
where I didn't
realize what was going on.
00:23:35.08\00:23:37.05
But when he knew
that he needed some help,
00:23:37.08\00:23:40.45
I was his friend that he called.
00:23:40.52\00:23:42.78
That's right,
maintaining your faith...
00:23:42.82\00:23:44.19
Yeah.
00:23:44.22\00:23:45.55
Where it might be
easy to compromise
00:23:45.59\00:23:46.92
because everybody around
you wouldn't even fight the idea
00:23:46.96\00:23:49.56
that hey, you know,
Jonathan, let's hang out.
00:23:49.59\00:23:51.76
Let's have a couple of drinks.
00:23:51.79\00:23:53.13
Let's just go
out and do whatever.
00:23:53.16\00:23:54.60
And you maintain your faith
00:23:54.63\00:23:55.96
so that when the
critical hour came,
00:23:56.00\00:23:58.00
somebody knew who to
call perhaps after that.
00:23:58.03\00:23:59.80
Yeah. You know that kind of...
00:23:59.83\00:24:01.64
I know you were in
challenging environment also,
00:24:01.67\00:24:04.01
but at the time
that you were in Navy,
00:24:04.04\00:24:06.68
at what point
did your spirituality
00:24:06.71\00:24:08.34
begin to kick in
and you're searching?
00:24:08.38\00:24:11.51
Great question.
00:24:11.55\00:24:12.88
So God has,
00:24:12.91\00:24:14.25
He has many ways
of working with us.
00:24:14.32\00:24:16.18
And, of course, he
knows us very well.
00:24:16.22\00:24:19.62
I would unfortunately consider
myself pretty hardheaded.
00:24:19.65\00:24:23.09
And so, you know,
00:24:23.12\00:24:25.56
just in my
normal thought process,
00:24:25.59\00:24:28.06
normal way of doing things,
I just thought, well, you know,
00:24:28.10\00:24:32.23
I'm learning these new truths,
00:24:32.27\00:24:33.64
but I've already
made my commitment here.
00:24:33.67\00:24:36.24
And so I'm,
00:24:36.27\00:24:37.61
perhaps I might
have to do things
00:24:37.64\00:24:39.04
that are going
against the Bible,
00:24:39.07\00:24:40.81
but I have to
honor my commitment
00:24:40.88\00:24:42.21
that I already made.
00:24:42.24\00:24:43.58
If I said, I'm going to do
it, I need to follow it through.
00:24:43.61\00:24:45.35
But as it so
happened, I injured myself,
00:24:45.38\00:24:49.05
unfortunately,
doing some exercises,
00:24:49.08\00:24:51.29
and during that time,
00:24:51.32\00:24:52.65
God just really
spoke to my heart.
00:24:52.69\00:24:54.62
I wasn't flying.
00:24:54.66\00:24:55.99
I had more time to
read and understand
00:24:56.02\00:24:57.69
and study Bible truths
00:24:57.73\00:24:59.89
and he happened to
take me to a church
00:24:59.93\00:25:02.40
that was very nurturing.
00:25:02.43\00:25:04.00
And so by the time,
00:25:04.07\00:25:06.23
everything was
all said and done,
00:25:06.27\00:25:07.87
I was so much
more solid in my faith.
00:25:07.90\00:25:10.41
And, you know, it
was certainly challenging
00:25:10.44\00:25:14.61
because let's just say
00:25:14.64\00:25:17.68
that people weren't very
supportive of my conversion.
00:25:17.71\00:25:21.52
How about that?
00:25:21.55\00:25:22.88
And in the military,
00:25:22.92\00:25:24.45
even if you do want to
stand for what you believe in,
00:25:24.49\00:25:27.46
the mission comes first.
00:25:27.49\00:25:28.82
Wow, that's right.
00:25:28.86\00:25:30.23
You know, I mean,
that's just the way it is.
00:25:30.26\00:25:31.96
And especially because we're
a volunteer military right now,
00:25:31.99\00:25:35.50
you know, you have
to keep that in mind.
00:25:35.53\00:25:38.07
And so it was very challenging,
00:25:38.10\00:25:41.07
but God also used me to be able
to be a witness to some people.
00:25:41.10\00:25:43.81
Okay.
00:25:43.84\00:25:45.17
I've given those
moments when I was struggling,
00:25:45.21\00:25:47.01
which was pretty awesome.
00:25:47.08\00:25:49.01
He could still find, you know,
00:25:49.04\00:25:51.08
whether you are a full
burning fire or a coal.
00:25:51.11\00:25:56.25
There's still a flame there.
00:25:56.28\00:25:57.79
Yeah. And that's
a beautiful thing.
00:25:57.82\00:25:59.15
There's some light coming.
00:25:59.19\00:26:00.56
Now what I want to kind
of show this video we have,
00:26:00.59\00:26:03.12
because we
brought some footage here
00:26:03.16\00:26:05.06
to kind of give
some people an idea.
00:26:05.09\00:26:07.00
And after the video
we'll comment on what they saw.
00:26:07.03\00:26:09.56
Let's roll the video right now.
00:26:09.60\00:26:11.50
I could just say the
word nice, that's nice.
00:27:55.17\00:27:58.77
You want to be able to take off.
00:27:58.81\00:28:00.18
Were you involved
in the maintenance
00:28:00.21\00:28:01.54
of that craft also?
00:28:01.58\00:28:02.91
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:28:02.94\00:28:04.28
So that was the...
00:28:04.31\00:28:05.65
The end number on
that is 27 alpha uniform.
00:28:05.68\00:28:07.32
It's a new airplane that
we just purchased in 2014.
00:28:07.35\00:28:09.82
Okay.
00:28:09.85\00:28:11.19
And as you notice it
had the glass cockpit.
00:28:11.22\00:28:12.55
It's got the
G1000 avionics in it.
00:28:12.59\00:28:14.36
So the older aircrafts
have the round steam gauges
00:28:14.39\00:28:17.43
as what we call them.
00:28:17.46\00:28:18.93
But the newer ones
are the glass cockpit.
00:28:18.96\00:28:20.33
Nice.
00:28:20.40\00:28:21.73
But then you have
secondary instruments?
00:28:21.76\00:28:23.10
Yeah, we've got secondary
instrument on the side.
00:28:23.13\00:28:25.00
So it's brand new cutting-edge
technology type stuff.
00:28:25.03\00:28:27.74
Yeah.
00:28:27.77\00:28:29.10
Well, have either of you
driven or flown an airplane?
00:28:29.14\00:28:31.57
Yeah. We fly in
them regularly. Yeah.
00:28:31.61\00:28:33.61
I also want to show
this picture we have
00:28:33.68\00:28:35.28
because you guys flew down here.
00:28:35.31\00:28:37.68
You know, most of
our guests drive here.
00:28:37.71\00:28:40.52
They did drive
from the airport here,
00:28:40.55\00:28:41.88
but I want to show this plane
00:28:41.92\00:28:43.25
and let's talk about that plane,
00:28:43.28\00:28:44.62
the nice plane that we have.
00:28:44.65\00:28:46.32
This is a Piper Arrow.
00:28:46.35\00:28:48.22
It's got retractable gear.
00:28:48.26\00:28:50.06
And this is what we
flew down on yesterday.
00:28:50.13\00:28:51.86
Nice.
00:28:51.89\00:28:53.23
And does this
have the glass cockpit?
00:28:53.26\00:28:54.60
This is an older airplane.
00:28:54.63\00:28:55.96
This is from 1974. Okay.
00:28:56.00\00:28:58.30
But it's got the same paint
job as what we currently have.
00:28:58.33\00:29:00.54
Talk about this
picture here briefly?
00:29:00.57\00:29:02.17
So this was an
airplane that was donated
00:29:02.20\00:29:04.34
about a year and a half
ago, it was down in Tennessee.
00:29:04.37\00:29:07.28
And we took
about 10 students down
00:29:07.31\00:29:09.74
to Tennessee over the weekend
00:29:09.78\00:29:11.11
and we took that airplane apart,
00:29:11.15\00:29:12.48
took the wings off of it,
00:29:12.51\00:29:13.85
took the
horizontal stabilizer off it,
00:29:13.92\00:29:15.25
put on a semi-truck trailer
00:29:15.28\00:29:16.62
and drove it back up to Andrews.
00:29:16.65\00:29:17.99
What kind of plane is this?
00:29:18.02\00:29:19.35
This is Leo 25 jet.
00:29:19.39\00:29:22.06
Holds about six or eight people.
00:29:22.09\00:29:23.83
Wow. Wonderful.
00:29:23.86\00:29:25.53
That's nice to be able to,
00:29:25.56\00:29:27.73
"Hey, let's go
for a flight today."
00:29:27.76\00:29:29.73
It's very
convenient. Very convenient.
00:29:29.76\00:29:32.00
How much flying is
a part of the program?
00:29:32.03\00:29:36.71
Let me rephrase the question.
00:29:36.74\00:29:38.44
What interval does
the student transition
00:29:38.47\00:29:40.88
from book to the equipment?
00:29:40.91\00:29:43.45
Right away. Right away.
00:29:43.48\00:29:44.85
Right away.
00:29:44.88\00:29:46.21
Yeah, we found that if
you try to teach theory
00:29:46.25\00:29:49.02
without the
practical application,
00:29:49.05\00:29:51.19
it just goes in one
ear and out the other.
00:29:51.22\00:29:53.46
People don't
really understand it.
00:29:53.49\00:29:55.36
So we strive to get people,
00:29:55.39\00:29:57.79
our students in the
airplane as soon as possible
00:29:57.83\00:30:00.70
so that they're
marrying the two together,
00:30:00.73\00:30:04.07
the theory of aerodynamics
00:30:04.10\00:30:06.67
and whatever else with
the practical application,
00:30:06.74\00:30:10.64
and so they come together
00:30:10.71\00:30:12.14
and it makes a more
holistic pilot out of it.
00:30:12.17\00:30:14.71
That makes sense
00:30:14.74\00:30:16.08
because if you're
teaching somebody art,
00:30:16.11\00:30:17.45
you could teach
them the history,
00:30:17.48\00:30:18.81
you could talk about
all the various artists
00:30:18.85\00:30:20.22
with the 17th century,
the different types of art.
00:30:20.25\00:30:23.32
But if they never pick
up a paintbrush or a pencil,
00:30:23.39\00:30:26.12
he's like, we're
just learning about art,
00:30:26.15\00:30:28.52
but I've never
drawn anything yet.
00:30:28.56\00:30:29.89
Right. That's true.
00:30:29.92\00:30:31.26
That makes
sense. That makes sense.
00:30:31.29\00:30:32.99
I mean, I like
pertaining to flight.
00:30:33.03\00:30:37.97
I'm not a flight
instructor. I'm not a pilot.
00:30:38.00\00:30:40.97
But I'm very
interested in the fact that
00:30:41.00\00:30:44.31
when you talk about
this kind of program,
00:30:44.34\00:30:46.88
it's not just
something that's for overseas.
00:30:46.91\00:30:49.41
Talk about some
of the local benefits
00:30:49.44\00:30:52.35
of having the gift of
flying in local missions?
00:30:52.38\00:30:56.22
Well, so one of the big things
00:30:56.25\00:30:58.12
is that the aviation
industry here in the US
00:30:58.15\00:31:02.99
is very secular and unreached.
00:31:03.02\00:31:08.10
Typically,
because it's a 24x7 job.
00:31:08.13\00:31:10.90
Right.
00:31:10.97\00:31:12.30
And so people are
running constantly,
00:31:12.33\00:31:13.84
you know whether
they're going to get
00:31:13.87\00:31:15.20
Sunday or Saturdays
off to go to church,
00:31:15.24\00:31:17.11
it's not a guarantee.
00:31:17.14\00:31:19.91
And so there's close
00:31:19.94\00:31:22.91
to 1 million
aviation professionals,
00:31:22.94\00:31:26.21
whether they're
pilots, mechanics,
00:31:26.25\00:31:27.95
dispatchers for the airlines.
00:31:27.98\00:31:30.09
And I'd say, based
on what I've understood
00:31:30.12\00:31:34.52
and learned
throughout the industry,
00:31:34.56\00:31:35.99
there's just a
handful of Adventists
00:31:36.02\00:31:38.29
in the entire
industry here in the US.
00:31:38.33\00:31:41.26
So it's a very
unreached mission field
00:31:41.30\00:31:44.27
that somebody, you know, it's...
00:31:44.30\00:31:46.84
We don't have people
00:31:46.87\00:31:48.20
who are there to
share these truths
00:31:48.24\00:31:49.57
and to build the relationships
00:31:49.60\00:31:51.67
that cause people
to turn to Christ.
00:31:51.71\00:31:54.44
So somebody watching or
listening to the program.
00:31:54.48\00:31:56.98
Let's talk about this.
00:31:57.05\00:31:58.38
How can people get
involved in this program?
00:31:58.41\00:32:01.02
The Andrews program,
00:32:01.05\00:32:02.38
I'll pitch it to any one of you.
00:32:02.42\00:32:03.89
Go ahead.
00:32:03.92\00:32:05.25
Well, see, the number one
thing they could do for us is,
00:32:05.29\00:32:07.72
you know, continue to pray.
00:32:07.76\00:32:09.19
You know, we're certainly
praying for our program.
00:32:09.22\00:32:12.06
But we could use as
many prayers as possible,
00:32:12.09\00:32:14.70
because, you know,
00:32:14.73\00:32:16.06
we've given the
program over to the Lord.
00:32:16.10\00:32:17.70
We left it in His hands,
00:32:17.73\00:32:19.07
and we want Him to
guide and direct it
00:32:19.10\00:32:20.44
to be the program
that He wants to be.
00:32:20.47\00:32:22.90
But along with that,
00:32:22.94\00:32:24.64
there's also
contributions as well.
00:32:24.67\00:32:26.98
I think Jonathan
could probably say
00:32:27.01\00:32:29.24
a lot about that.
00:32:29.28\00:32:30.65
Right now we're wanting to
grow our student population
00:32:30.68\00:32:34.95
as much as possible.
00:32:34.98\00:32:36.32
The industry right now
00:32:36.35\00:32:37.69
is just crying for
pilots, the airlines.
00:32:37.72\00:32:40.99
Yeah, both.
00:32:41.02\00:32:42.36
I mean, it's
astronomical right now.
00:32:42.39\00:32:44.93
They cannot fill,
00:32:44.96\00:32:46.29
they're canceling
flights in the airlines
00:32:46.33\00:32:47.73
because they can't
come up with enough pilots
00:32:47.76\00:32:49.23
and mechanics
to keep them going.
00:32:49.26\00:32:50.60
Wow.
00:32:50.67\00:32:52.00
And so the whole industry
because that the top industry
00:32:52.03\00:32:53.47
needs pilots and mechanics
00:32:53.54\00:32:54.87
that everybody underneath
also needs pilots and mechanics
00:32:54.90\00:32:57.34
and so what used
to take 12 years ago
00:32:57.41\00:33:01.98
to the majors is
now taking like five.
00:33:02.01\00:33:06.28
And the pay is almost doubled
in some of the industries.
00:33:06.31\00:33:09.78
So they're trying to
really appeal to the people
00:33:09.82\00:33:12.42
to get involved in the industry
00:33:12.45\00:33:14.09
because so the demand is high.
00:33:14.16\00:33:16.29
The demand is high.
00:33:16.32\00:33:17.66
So we're trying to
train professional pilots
00:33:17.69\00:33:21.53
to fill those roles,
00:33:21.56\00:33:22.90
but not just
professional pilots,
00:33:22.93\00:33:24.27
but individuals
that are passionate
00:33:24.30\00:33:26.74
about Jesus Christ.
00:33:26.77\00:33:28.17
And so we're trying to
double the amount of students
00:33:28.20\00:33:31.04
that we're putting
through our program.
00:33:31.07\00:33:32.41
So with that, we
need more airplanes,
00:33:32.44\00:33:34.38
we need to do some
infrastructure upgrade.
00:33:34.41\00:33:37.28
We want to put in
a parallel taxi way
00:33:37.35\00:33:39.21
and some stuff like that
00:33:39.25\00:33:40.62
to make it make
everything flow a lot better.
00:33:40.65\00:33:42.68
Okay.
00:33:42.72\00:33:44.09
So you're taxing is
on the strip itself.
00:33:44.12\00:33:45.95
Right now, yeah, and
right now we have to back taxi
00:33:45.99\00:33:47.72
so if somebody is
taxing, he can't land, so...
00:33:47.76\00:33:49.89
Okay.
00:33:49.92\00:33:51.26
So that would be able to
double the amount of flights
00:33:51.29\00:33:52.63
that we could get out of there.
00:33:52.66\00:33:54.00
So let's just
start mentioning some...
00:33:54.03\00:33:55.36
What is simple like that
cost to put and just generally,
00:33:55.40\00:33:57.87
you know?
00:33:57.90\00:33:59.40
Our parallel
taxiway, we were looking at,
00:33:59.43\00:34:02.64
what was it, $50,000?
00:34:02.67\00:34:04.74
I think it was more than that.
00:34:04.77\00:34:06.54
Because it's asphalt,
00:34:06.57\00:34:07.91
there has to be
regulations and all that.
00:34:07.94\00:34:09.38
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:09.41\00:34:10.75
The two new
archers that we purchased,
00:34:10.78\00:34:12.28
those were 200 grand plus,
00:34:12.31\00:34:14.82
almost 300 grand, 350 plus.
00:34:14.85\00:34:17.72
So for a brand new
airplane, it's not cheap.
00:34:17.75\00:34:20.19
No.
00:34:20.26\00:34:21.59
But the amount of
pilots that we can push through
00:34:21.62\00:34:23.22
with that single
airplane, you know,
00:34:23.26\00:34:25.89
we can take four
or five flights a day
00:34:25.93\00:34:28.03
with a single airplane.
00:34:28.06\00:34:30.27
We can push 10
students through a week.
00:34:30.30\00:34:33.37
So each airplane
is a massive asset.
00:34:33.44\00:34:36.71
And how many do you
have in the fleet right now,
00:34:36.74\00:34:38.07
is it about five?
00:34:38.11\00:34:39.44
Right now we're
working with five
00:34:39.47\00:34:40.81
Piper low wing aircraft
that we're flying currently.
00:34:40.88\00:34:43.65
Yeah. We'd like more.
00:34:43.68\00:34:45.55
And honestly,
put in more aircrafts
00:34:45.58\00:34:49.05
that are these SN type,
00:34:49.08\00:34:51.39
maximizes our potential
00:34:51.42\00:34:52.95
because we can have
rolling over so right now,
00:34:52.99\00:34:55.19
if one of the airplanes
goes down for maintenance,
00:34:55.22\00:35:00.23
now we have one less aircraft
00:35:00.30\00:35:01.93
and so the amount of flying
00:35:01.96\00:35:03.80
that's able to
happen becomes reduced
00:35:03.87\00:35:06.43
because we just
don't have the airplane.
00:35:06.47\00:35:10.74
And so by having
additional aircraft,
00:35:10.81\00:35:13.81
they are all of the same type,
00:35:13.88\00:35:16.11
you know, if one
goes down, all right,
00:35:16.14\00:35:17.95
well, here, we'll just address
the schedule and for these guys
00:35:17.98\00:35:21.65
who were going to
fly on that airplane
00:35:21.68\00:35:23.89
into the existing
schedule for the other aircraft.
00:35:23.92\00:35:26.42
Now, I know there's
a certain age to drive.
00:35:26.45\00:35:28.82
What is the age
introduction into flight?
00:35:28.86\00:35:31.89
So I know most mothers
would not want to hear this,
00:35:31.93\00:35:34.66
but you can solo at age 14.
00:35:34.70\00:35:39.30
But that's how
safe our training is
00:35:39.33\00:35:41.40
and how safe the airplanes are,
00:35:41.44\00:35:44.01
is that we can do it
at a much younger age.
00:35:44.04\00:35:45.71
Wow!
00:35:45.74\00:35:47.08
You got to be 16 to
get a private license,
00:35:47.11\00:35:49.01
so you can solo at 14.
00:35:49.04\00:35:50.65
So when did flight become
00:35:50.68\00:35:52.48
an interest of yours, professor?
00:35:52.51\00:35:55.52
For me that happened
00:35:55.55\00:35:56.89
when I was probably
five or six years old.
00:35:56.92\00:35:58.95
I grew up in Dallas, Texas
00:35:58.99\00:36:00.79
and lived right
underneath the approach path
00:36:00.86\00:36:04.43
for a lot of the
aircraft going in DFW.
00:36:04.46\00:36:06.36
So for me, you know,
it was from an early age,
00:36:06.39\00:36:09.10
I knew that's
what I wanted to do.
00:36:09.13\00:36:11.10
Yeah.
00:36:11.13\00:36:12.47
And just continued from there.
00:36:12.50\00:36:14.27
That's a unique place.
00:36:14.30\00:36:15.64
My wife and I
think of the places
00:36:15.67\00:36:17.87
like St. Martin
in the Caribbean,
00:36:17.91\00:36:20.41
where the beach is
right in the approach path.
00:36:20.48\00:36:22.48
Oh, yeah.
00:36:22.51\00:36:23.85
You know, people,
it's almost an attraction.
00:36:23.88\00:36:27.95
People go to St. Martin,
00:36:27.98\00:36:29.58
you know, they see these 747s
00:36:29.62\00:36:31.29
or big commercial planes
diving in just, you know,
00:36:31.32\00:36:35.66
feet above the sand to
land and then also take off
00:36:35.69\00:36:39.33
but not toward the ocean.
00:36:39.36\00:36:40.70
Very interesting thing.
00:36:40.73\00:36:42.06
So, at an early age,
you kind of get the idea
00:36:42.10\00:36:44.33
that this is what I
want to do for my life.
00:36:44.37\00:36:46.97
And then did you
include that in your later years
00:36:47.04\00:36:50.51
or you read books and just...
00:36:50.54\00:36:52.31
Oh, yeah, I just,
00:36:52.34\00:36:54.94
once again I got myself
into as much as I could.
00:36:54.98\00:36:59.18
I attended
camps, things like that.
00:36:59.21\00:37:02.02
And the more I
read, the more I thought,
00:37:02.05\00:37:03.49
man, it'd be really
cool to be an astronaut.
00:37:03.52\00:37:06.19
So I thought, well,
00:37:06.22\00:37:07.56
what do I have to
do to be an astronaut?
00:37:07.59\00:37:09.39
It looks like
the Astronaut Corps.
00:37:09.42\00:37:10.83
They're like Navy pilots,
00:37:10.86\00:37:12.19
maybe I should
become a Navy pilot
00:37:12.23\00:37:13.80
and I thought well, so
where's the best place to go?
00:37:13.83\00:37:16.67
Maybe I should go
to the naval academy,
00:37:16.70\00:37:18.87
and so I put in my
paperwork and, you know,
00:37:18.90\00:37:21.77
they accepted me
to the naval academy.
00:37:21.80\00:37:23.41
And so I just did all I could
to put myself in a position
00:37:23.44\00:37:27.94
to pursue that dream.
00:37:27.98\00:37:29.31
Okay.
00:37:29.34\00:37:30.68
Then, you know, once
again once I met God,
00:37:30.75\00:37:32.78
he had a different direction
which has been even better.
00:37:32.81\00:37:37.62
Yeah, I guess your favorite hymn
00:37:37.65\00:37:39.02
is I'll fly away.
00:37:39.05\00:37:43.46
So let's talk about some
of the specifics when you...
00:37:43.53\00:37:45.79
If a student enters
00:37:45.83\00:37:47.20
into Andrews
University flight course,
00:37:47.23\00:37:50.00
I wanna specify that,
you have the regular tuition,
00:37:50.07\00:37:52.47
but then if you want to
enter into the flight program,
00:37:52.50\00:37:54.17
that's a
separate cost altogether,
00:37:54.24\00:37:57.21
but that includes,
00:37:57.24\00:37:59.31
the regular tuition
includes the basics of flight
00:37:59.34\00:38:02.54
or kind of help
me understand that?
00:38:02.58\00:38:05.21
Yeah, so the
cost of the airplane
00:38:05.25\00:38:08.28
is really the major
factor that adds to it.
00:38:08.32\00:38:11.15
Okay.
00:38:11.19\00:38:12.75
Ultimately flying
costs money. Right.
00:38:12.79\00:38:15.26
And unfortunately, aviation is
00:38:15.29\00:38:19.59
a high expense ticket item.
00:38:19.63\00:38:24.70
But initially
they're getting training
00:38:24.73\00:38:28.17
in the airplane flying,
their private pilot license.
00:38:28.20\00:38:32.11
And so they have to
do the flight training,
00:38:32.14\00:38:34.08
they have to pay
the flight instructor
00:38:34.11\00:38:36.21
for that time.
00:38:36.24\00:38:38.55
And then we transition
them to an instrument right in,
00:38:38.58\00:38:41.85
which is training students
how to fly through the clouds,
00:38:41.88\00:38:45.32
how to understand
navigational charts,
00:38:45.35\00:38:47.46
and so that we can
follow navigational systems
00:38:47.49\00:38:50.43
and you can make an
approach and land in
00:38:50.46\00:38:53.29
without ever seeing outside.
00:38:53.33\00:38:55.50
Now that's, I like that.
00:38:55.53\00:38:58.10
It's a lot of fun
00:38:58.13\00:38:59.47
especially when
you get right down
00:38:59.50\00:39:00.84
to the bare minimum
altitude that you can fly to
00:39:00.87\00:39:03.71
and you're just
coming out of the clouds,
00:39:03.74\00:39:05.97
right when you hit it.
00:39:06.01\00:39:07.38
I'm one of those guys
that I could hear very well,
00:39:07.41\00:39:09.14
my wife and I,
because of our mileage,
00:39:09.18\00:39:11.75
we get a chance
to sit in first class
00:39:11.78\00:39:13.28
and sometimes I could hear
through the door, minimums.
00:39:13.31\00:39:18.85
I know on
approach what that means,
00:39:18.89\00:39:21.42
that means if
you're gonna decide
00:39:21.46\00:39:22.79
to keep going or go around,
00:39:22.82\00:39:24.39
this is the time to do it.
00:39:24.43\00:39:25.76
Right.
00:39:25.79\00:39:27.13
You know, but it's
really interesting.
00:39:27.20\00:39:28.53
What else would you say
00:39:28.56\00:39:29.90
as people are
listening to the program?
00:39:29.93\00:39:31.43
What would you say to
those who are trying to decide?
00:39:31.47\00:39:35.77
Is this what it is for me?
00:39:35.80\00:39:37.14
Is this for girls and guys?
00:39:37.21\00:39:40.41
You know, it's just something
that what would you say
00:39:40.48\00:39:43.65
to attract somebody
that may be thinking,
00:39:43.68\00:39:45.98
what do I want
to do for my future?
00:39:46.01\00:39:47.68
For me aviation maintenance,
00:39:47.72\00:39:49.55
I got in the
maintenance program,
00:39:49.58\00:39:51.45
I needed to do
something with my hands.
00:39:51.49\00:39:52.82
Okay.
00:39:52.85\00:39:54.19
So that's how I went with
the maintenance side of it,
00:39:54.26\00:39:57.13
but it's a very
rewarding career.
00:39:57.16\00:39:58.49
It's a very professional career.
00:39:58.53\00:39:59.86
It's very clean career.
00:39:59.89\00:40:01.70
You got to be very honest,
00:40:01.73\00:40:03.06
you got to have
a strong character.
00:40:03.10\00:40:04.43
You know, if you
mess up something,
00:40:04.47\00:40:05.80
you gotta be honest about
it and let other people know
00:40:05.83\00:40:08.37
and you double check each other.
00:40:08.40\00:40:10.31
My double check, the
guys are working with me
00:40:10.34\00:40:11.97
and they double check me.
00:40:12.01\00:40:13.38
It's just the way
that we do things.
00:40:13.41\00:40:14.74
You know, these
guys are flying yesterday
00:40:14.78\00:40:16.11
and they double
check each other even now,
00:40:16.14\00:40:17.58
just how we roll.
00:40:17.65\00:40:18.98
That's just how aviation works.
00:40:19.01\00:40:20.35
That's how we fly.
00:40:20.38\00:40:21.72
That's how we fly. That's right.
00:40:21.75\00:40:24.19
So, yeah, it's
for guys and girls.
00:40:24.22\00:40:26.96
There's specific
programs for females
00:40:26.99\00:40:28.79
that are involved in aviation,
00:40:28.82\00:40:30.83
both in the maintenance
side and the flight side.
00:40:30.86\00:40:33.90
We've had a number
of female students,
00:40:33.93\00:40:35.26
they've have come
through the program
00:40:35.30\00:40:36.67
so we definitely
welcome them as well.
00:40:36.70\00:40:39.07
'Cause I've seen a lot
of female commercial pilots.
00:40:39.10\00:40:41.34
Yeah.
00:40:41.37\00:40:42.70
And they're more
entering the industry
00:40:42.74\00:40:44.11
flying large
equipment, you know,
00:40:44.14\00:40:45.81
and some people think,
00:40:45.84\00:40:47.18
well, isn't it
tough for the flyer
00:40:47.21\00:40:48.54
larger and larger.
00:40:48.58\00:40:49.91
Well, you know, the
principle is the same,
00:40:49.94\00:40:51.28
aviation principle,
let's talk about those.
00:40:51.31\00:40:53.62
I asked you before the program,
00:40:53.65\00:40:55.32
the language that
they use to communicate,
00:40:55.35\00:40:57.19
Alpha, Bravo, Kilo, Romeo...
00:40:57.22\00:40:59.75
Where did that come from?
00:40:59.79\00:41:01.36
Well, it certainly came from
00:41:01.39\00:41:03.53
back in the day
in the World War II.
00:41:03.56\00:41:06.09
We had fundamental radios
that were hard to understand
00:41:06.13\00:41:10.47
and so when they were trying
00:41:10.50\00:41:12.43
to communicate
the different needs
00:41:12.47\00:41:14.47
or the different co-ordinates
or whatever it maybe,
00:41:14.50\00:41:17.04
they found that some
words sounded like others
00:41:17.11\00:41:21.24
like three became tree
00:41:21.28\00:41:27.12
because the th wouldn't
come through on the radio
00:41:27.15\00:41:34.06
and, you know, nine became niner
00:41:34.09\00:41:36.86
because the German
word for no is nine
00:41:36.93\00:41:40.70
and so then took
niner and made it that way
00:41:40.73\00:41:43.67
so that it wouldn't be
confused with the word no.
00:41:43.70\00:41:47.37
Wow, that's interesting.
00:41:47.44\00:41:48.77
And so there's a
lot of elements of it.
00:41:48.80\00:41:50.81
You've got Alpha, Bravo, Charlie
00:41:50.84\00:41:53.31
the phonetic alphabet
00:41:53.38\00:41:55.24
and they are very
intentional to make sure
00:41:55.28\00:41:57.15
that those words
don't sound like, you know,
00:41:57.18\00:41:59.58
if you have said
C, it could be D,
00:41:59.61\00:42:02.02
it could be E, it
could be G over the radio,
00:42:02.05\00:42:05.39
we're not sure what you've said.
00:42:05.42\00:42:07.46
So now, if we say
Charlie, Delta, Echo, Golf,
00:42:07.49\00:42:10.73
it's very clearly different.
00:42:10.76\00:42:13.06
I like the C, D, E,F,
00:42:13.09\00:42:14.43
I mean that makes a lot of sense
00:42:14.46\00:42:16.56
and it's a language
that sounds funny sometimes
00:42:16.60\00:42:19.53
but when you wanna be clear,
I like what you pointed out,
00:42:19.57\00:42:22.17
the honesty needed
because if a pilot just says,"
00:42:22.20\00:42:25.11
Oh, I messed up again, I
don't want anyone to know.
00:42:25.14\00:42:27.11
The plane is ready to go.
00:42:27.18\00:42:28.71
That could be the
difference between
00:42:28.74\00:42:30.08
somebody's life and death.
00:42:30.15\00:42:31.48
So you might say, you know,
00:42:31.51\00:42:32.85
wait, wait, wait,
I am not done yet,
00:42:32.88\00:42:34.22
I need to get
this switch put in.
00:42:34.25\00:42:35.65
Yep. Can I fly without it?
00:42:35.68\00:42:37.59
No, you're not
gonna fly without it.
00:42:37.62\00:42:39.45
So that kind of really pulls you
00:42:39.49\00:42:40.86
into that perspective
and being a professor now,
00:42:40.89\00:42:42.79
you're dealing with
the students teaching.
00:42:42.82\00:42:44.46
Talk about some of
that curriculum approach?
00:42:44.49\00:42:46.80
It's actually
very awesome process
00:42:46.83\00:42:49.83
to be a part of, you know,
00:42:49.86\00:42:51.53
once again, I'm pretty new here,
00:42:51.57\00:42:53.10
just six months under
my belt here at Andrews.
00:42:53.13\00:42:55.37
Okay.
00:42:55.40\00:42:56.74
But I've come to
learn and appreciate
00:42:56.81\00:42:58.24
that the way we do
things is very systematic
00:42:58.27\00:43:01.58
and it's very well thought out.
00:43:01.61\00:43:03.24
And, of course,
00:43:03.28\00:43:04.61
there's always
room for improvement,
00:43:04.65\00:43:05.98
but I'd say we have
a pretty strong program
00:43:06.01\00:43:07.85
which is awesome.
00:43:07.88\00:43:09.42
Coming from military background,
00:43:09.45\00:43:11.05
even charter background,
00:43:11.09\00:43:12.65
I love the systematic approach
00:43:12.69\00:43:14.06
because you know,
00:43:14.09\00:43:15.42
for me there's
safety in that, you know,
00:43:15.46\00:43:17.63
it's like, I don't
know, yeah, like I said,
00:43:17.66\00:43:20.13
just safety in that
and so it's pretty awesome.
00:43:20.20\00:43:23.00
I'd say the way we are
creating the curriculum
00:43:23.03\00:43:25.77
for the students
and just giving them
00:43:25.80\00:43:27.77
some nice building
blocks at the beginning.
00:43:27.80\00:43:30.11
And so by the time they get
to their junior and senior year,
00:43:30.14\00:43:32.64
they have what they need
to be able to give it back
00:43:32.67\00:43:34.88
to the students that
are coming up behind them
00:43:34.91\00:43:37.35
which is pretty cool.
00:43:37.38\00:43:38.71
You know, somebody
might be watching this program
00:43:38.75\00:43:40.45
from a warm country,
00:43:40.52\00:43:42.78
they have no clue
where Andrews University is.
00:43:42.82\00:43:45.75
Give a general location,
give us some specifics as to.
00:43:45.79\00:43:48.76
In America,
00:43:48.79\00:43:50.13
where would Andrews
University be located?
00:43:50.16\00:43:52.53
Andrews is in the
north of the country,
00:43:52.56\00:43:55.10
it's in Michigan.
00:43:55.13\00:43:56.77
On the East Coast.
00:43:56.80\00:43:58.43
Yeah, more
towards the East Coast,
00:43:58.47\00:44:00.07
kind of in the central.
00:44:00.14\00:44:01.57
If you look at the
Great Lakes region of the US,
00:44:01.60\00:44:05.04
Michigan is literally sitting
00:44:05.07\00:44:06.68
in the middle of
all the great lakes.
00:44:06.71\00:44:08.68
So, Michigan kind
of looks, it's like,
00:44:08.71\00:44:11.05
kind of looks like
a hand or a mitten,
00:44:11.08\00:44:13.95
and Andrews is the
very south west corner.
00:44:14.02\00:44:16.32
We're just north of
in South Bend, Indiana.
00:44:16.35\00:44:19.89
Okay, now, there's a
text in the Bible says,
00:44:19.92\00:44:22.72
"Pray that your
flight be not in the winter."
00:44:22.76\00:44:25.49
Is that true in Andrews?
00:44:25.53\00:44:26.90
Yes.
00:44:26.93\00:44:28.56
The winter slows
us down quite a bit
00:44:28.60\00:44:30.80
and so we have simulators
00:44:30.87\00:44:32.33
and we focus a lot of
our in flight training
00:44:32.37\00:44:34.37
in the winter in
the simulator, so.
00:44:34.40\00:44:35.80
Now the reason
I'm mentioning that
00:44:35.84\00:44:37.21
is because when
you go to Andrews,
00:44:37.24\00:44:38.57
you have to pray for the sun.
00:44:38.61\00:44:39.97
You know, you say good bye to it
00:44:40.01\00:44:41.34
when the summer is
on its way and you say,
00:44:41.38\00:44:44.08
well, we have four more months
before the sun shows up again.
00:44:44.15\00:44:47.42
So, you continue
training but in simulators.
00:44:47.45\00:44:50.49
Right, we do simulators
00:44:50.52\00:44:51.85
on a fair weather days,
we do go out and we fly.
00:44:51.89\00:44:54.82
We might have a little
bit of snow on the runway
00:44:54.86\00:44:57.46
but it's plowed but it's snow...
00:44:57.53\00:45:00.20
So it's like, yes,
the sun is out today.
00:45:00.23\00:45:02.36
That's right.
00:45:02.40\00:45:03.90
So we take advantage of it,
00:45:03.97\00:45:05.30
I mean that gives you
cold weather environment
00:45:05.33\00:45:06.84
so you get to learn how to fly
00:45:06.87\00:45:08.20
and you're not
depending on how the wind is.
00:45:08.24\00:45:09.57
So it does make
for a better pilot,
00:45:09.60\00:45:10.94
you get a more
well rounded experience.
00:45:10.97\00:45:12.34
Yeah, how to take
care of your airplane
00:45:12.37\00:45:13.88
and everything else.
00:45:13.91\00:45:15.24
They say, "If you
can land at Andrews,
00:45:15.28\00:45:16.61
you're good anywhere."
00:45:16.64\00:45:17.98
What length of the runway is it?
00:45:18.01\00:45:19.45
It's about 4,300 feet.
00:45:19.48\00:45:21.38
Okay, that's good.
00:45:21.42\00:45:23.05
And any specifics you
wanna add to that about...
00:45:23.08\00:45:26.59
Anything else you wanna add
to what we just commented on?
00:45:26.62\00:45:29.69
As far as just
flight training there?
00:45:29.72\00:45:31.86
Yeah.
00:45:31.89\00:45:33.23
Yeah, you know,
00:45:33.26\00:45:34.83
major contribution I'd like
to say or add to that is that,
00:45:34.86\00:45:39.87
we're always
looking for ways to improve
00:45:39.90\00:45:41.47
and like we said before,
00:45:41.50\00:45:43.44
we are definitely trying
to create pilots of character,
00:45:43.51\00:45:46.41
and that's a lot of
times easier said than done.
00:45:46.44\00:45:50.45
And so, we're finding that
00:45:50.48\00:45:54.25
the more we're close to the God,
00:45:54.32\00:45:55.98
the more we can
give to our students.
00:45:56.02\00:45:58.69
So we always covet
you prayers for that,
00:45:58.72\00:46:00.76
and the other thing
we wanted to talk about
00:46:00.79\00:46:03.19
is that we do have students
that come through occasionally,
00:46:03.22\00:46:05.46
who are interested in
going to the mission field,
00:46:05.49\00:46:07.80
and we just
wanna support them 100%
00:46:07.83\00:46:09.76
as much as possible,
00:46:09.80\00:46:11.43
give them the best
stepping stone to succeed.
00:46:11.47\00:46:18.04
And a lot of times,
00:46:18.07\00:46:19.41
it's difficult
for them to get past
00:46:19.44\00:46:22.71
some of the
financial obligations
00:46:22.74\00:46:24.35
that come with flight training
00:46:24.38\00:46:25.78
in order to go to
the mission field.
00:46:25.81\00:46:27.22
And so I'd say,
00:46:27.25\00:46:28.58
that's one of
our big needs too is,
00:46:28.62\00:46:30.99
you know, we do
have a mission fund
00:46:31.02\00:46:32.85
and it's at a certain level
that we feel could be better
00:46:32.89\00:46:38.49
in order to help support
that aspect of our training.
00:46:38.53\00:46:43.10
We're gonna talk about that
how people that are watching
00:46:43.13\00:46:45.33
and listening
can donate to that,
00:46:45.37\00:46:47.44
but talk about some
of the physical needs,
00:46:47.47\00:46:49.00
some of the equipment needs,
00:46:49.04\00:46:50.41
what are some of the things that
00:46:50.44\00:46:52.31
Andrews can
actually look forward to,
00:46:52.34\00:46:54.98
if it's new computers,
new planes, new equipment.
00:46:55.01\00:46:57.95
What are some of the things
that will make this program
00:46:57.98\00:47:01.12
more stable or refurbished?
00:47:01.15\00:47:04.29
One of the big things is
our need for new airplanes.
00:47:04.32\00:47:08.26
We have two very nice,
00:47:08.29\00:47:10.33
brand new in
2014 built airplanes
00:47:10.36\00:47:14.33
and we need to have
incomparable airplanes
00:47:14.36\00:47:18.83
that are also
available so we can hand off,
00:47:18.87\00:47:23.24
you know, like I said,
00:47:23.27\00:47:24.61
if one goes
down for maintenance,
00:47:24.64\00:47:26.14
now that slows
down the entire program
00:47:26.17\00:47:29.24
because we only have two.
00:47:29.28\00:47:31.68
And so if we have three or
four of these types of aircraft,
00:47:31.71\00:47:35.95
now our availability,
00:47:35.98\00:47:37.82
if one of the
maintenance items comes up,
00:47:37.85\00:47:41.19
everyone is still able
to fly and continue flying.
00:47:41.22\00:47:44.99
So that's one of our big needs.
00:47:45.03\00:47:46.63
Another need that
we will have very soon
00:47:46.70\00:47:50.20
when we start
getting more students
00:47:50.27\00:47:52.27
is larger facilities
00:47:52.30\00:47:54.54
and being able to
have a larger classrooms,
00:47:54.57\00:47:58.87
more office place for
our flight instructors
00:47:58.91\00:48:01.74
to do their flight instruction,
00:48:01.78\00:48:03.65
training on the ground,
00:48:03.68\00:48:07.02
and the parallel taxiway,
that opens up our capacity,
00:48:07.05\00:48:11.89
that will almost
triple the amount of flights
00:48:11.92\00:48:15.52
that we can accomplish in a day.
00:48:15.56\00:48:17.63
Yeah, that parallel taxiway
00:48:17.66\00:48:19.06
is not an
understatement by an means
00:48:19.09\00:48:20.80
because you know right now
00:48:20.83\00:48:22.46
if you think about it this
way, if this is the runway,
00:48:22.50\00:48:25.40
this way you
wanna take off or land,
00:48:25.43\00:48:27.34
if there's no parallel taxiway,
00:48:27.37\00:48:28.87
where you're kind
of going up and down
00:48:28.90\00:48:31.21
and you can't take off and land
00:48:31.24\00:48:33.17
while somebody is taxing
which is very important thing.
00:48:33.21\00:48:35.81
Any other equipment,
00:48:35.84\00:48:37.18
what about
maintenance equipment,
00:48:37.25\00:48:38.58
anything like that needed or...?
00:48:38.61\00:48:39.95
No, we are...
00:48:39.98\00:48:41.32
I mean eventually facilities
if we get more airplanes,
00:48:41.35\00:48:43.62
we're definitely gonna
need to have a bigger facility
00:48:43.69\00:48:45.75
to be able to maintain them all
00:48:45.79\00:48:48.36
and that's just growing pains
00:48:48.39\00:48:49.72
and just part of the
process of making it happen.
00:48:49.76\00:48:52.23
But we're, I mean,
we're an international school,
00:48:52.26\00:48:54.83
we're prepared to take students
from all over the world.
00:48:54.86\00:48:58.17
Andrews where it
proclaimed to famous there,
00:48:58.20\00:48:59.87
we're the most
internationally diverse,
00:48:59.90\00:49:02.17
ethnically diverse
university in North America.
00:49:02.20\00:49:04.61
So we know how to handle visas,
00:49:04.64\00:49:06.14
we know how to handle
all that kind of stuff
00:49:06.17\00:49:07.71
so we're willing and
ready to take students.
00:49:07.74\00:49:10.45
And so that's
another big thing we need,
00:49:10.48\00:49:11.81
we just need people to come.
00:49:11.85\00:49:13.18
That's right.
00:49:13.21\00:49:14.55
We are passionate about aviation
00:49:14.58\00:49:15.92
or passionate
about sharing Jesus,
00:49:15.95\00:49:17.29
we just need
people to do it with us.
00:49:17.32\00:49:19.55
And this is a... Yes.
00:49:19.59\00:49:21.89
And I was gonna say
one of the advantages
00:49:21.92\00:49:23.63
of having the in
common aircraft fleet is that,
00:49:23.66\00:49:29.23
if something goes wrong now
00:49:29.26\00:49:31.27
because we're
flying the same airplane,
00:49:31.30\00:49:34.97
we can already
have parts available
00:49:35.00\00:49:37.11
and we can already
have pieces and components
00:49:37.14\00:49:39.67
of the aircrafts available
00:49:39.71\00:49:41.04
so we don't have to order it out
00:49:41.08\00:49:42.71
and wait for a week for it
to be shipped from wherever.
00:49:42.74\00:49:46.82
Jonathan can
have it on the shelf
00:49:46.85\00:49:49.25
and just pull it out
and put it on the airplane
00:49:49.28\00:49:51.49
and get it out that
same day if need be.
00:49:51.52\00:49:54.89
Uniformity is important.
00:49:54.92\00:49:56.73
It will make a big
difference in the operations.
00:49:56.76\00:49:59.23
That's why is
the Blue Angels Navy?
00:49:59.26\00:50:01.06
They are.
00:50:01.10\00:50:02.43
I thought so,
00:50:02.46\00:50:03.80
those kind of
pilots you can trust them
00:50:03.87\00:50:05.47
to any other branch of
the military but the Navy.
00:50:05.50\00:50:07.97
I'm just putting in both.
00:50:08.00\00:50:10.04
But I wanna be able to
give you some information
00:50:10.11\00:50:12.17
to get in touch with
David, Jonathan and Jeremy
00:50:12.21\00:50:16.24
and also to find out more
about this Aviation program.
00:50:16.28\00:50:19.01
As you can tell, I
am excited about it
00:50:19.05\00:50:20.55
but you may want to find out
00:50:20.62\00:50:22.95
what your student
prospectfully would want
00:50:22.98\00:50:26.49
to be able to do to get
to enroll in this program
00:50:26.52\00:50:30.03
for the maybe upcoming semester.
00:50:30.06\00:50:32.03
Here is the information
that you're going to need.
00:50:32.06\00:50:36.87
If you are
interested in the flying career
00:50:36.90\00:50:39.37
or if the Lord has impressed you
00:50:39.40\00:50:41.04
to be a missionary
pilot, then check out
00:50:41.07\00:50:43.44
the Andrews University
Department of Aviation
00:50:43.51\00:50:46.24
and their flight, maintenance
and missionary pilot programs.
00:50:46.27\00:50:49.81
Their website is
Andrews.edu/aviation.
00:50:49.84\00:50:53.95
That's Andrews.edu/aviation.
00:50:54.02\00:50:57.95
You may also call
them at (269) 471-3120.
00:50:57.99\00:51:03.16
If you prefer, you
may also write to them
00:51:03.19\00:51:05.69
at Andrews University
Department of Aviation,
00:51:05.73\00:51:08.76
3898 Griggs Avenue,
00:51:08.80\00:51:11.20
Berrien Springs, Michigan 49104.
00:51:11.23\00:51:14.30