I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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- Hello and welcome
to another 3ABN Today
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program! I'm Jason Bradley,
and I'm excited about the
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discussion we are going
to have today about CAMPUS
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Ministry. And here
with me to discuss this very
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important topic is
Pastor Jermaine Gayle! He is the
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assistant director
with CAMPUS Ministries. We
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have Julianna Dunn.
She's a CAMPUS missionary;
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and we have Miranda Lentz,
who is a CAMPUS missionary,
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as well. It's great
to have you guys here.
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- Thank you for having
me. - Oh, man-I can't wait to
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jump into this discussion
about CAMPUS Ministry,
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because it seems like a
very challenging task to
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reach individuals
that are on campuses when
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we're living in such
a secular society. But
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before we jump into
the meat of the interview,
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we're going to be blessed
in song by Naomi Jackson,
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who will be singing
"Then They Will Know."
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I will speak
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I will wait
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I will send prophets among them
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That they might hear
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That they might see
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And understand
how much I love them
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Then they will
know that I am Father
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Then they will know I am Lord
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They'll walk with Me
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And be My people
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I'll walk with them as their God
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As their God
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I will strike
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I will scourge
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And carry out
vengeance upon them
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But I will heal
the wounds I make
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And tenderly
take them back to me
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Then they will
know that I am Father
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Then they will know I am Lord
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They'll walk with Me
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And be My people
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I'll walk with them as their God
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This is heaven
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This is salvation
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This is their
great hope and Mine
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He will come
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My own Son
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A Word faithful
hearts can't help hearing
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And by His death
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With His last breath
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A Father's
forgiveness comes flowing
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Then they will know
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That I am Savior
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I am Redeemer and Friend
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Immanuel
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The God who is with them
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The God who gives all He can
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He is salvation
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He is the kingdom
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To know Him is paradise
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Then they will
know that I am Father
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They will know I am Lord
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I am Lord
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- Thank you for that
beautiful song, Naomi.
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Now, okay-we gotta jump
into the meat of this. Tell
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me a little bit about
your background. - Thank you
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for asking that question,
Jason. I originally grew
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up in Jamaica; that's
where I'm from. I lived there, I
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spent most of my life
there...I think I left
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Jamaica when I was
about 18 and came to the US;
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lived with my mom in
Philadelphia and then
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went to Virginia to
study, and then from there to
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Michigan (where I am now).
I'm there living now, and...
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- Okay! - But yeah. For
now, I'll go with that, and I'll
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share a little bit more
later. [laughter] - Okay,
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sounds good. And what
about you? - Well, I was
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born in Tennessee,
and then I moved into Ohio
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for a few years, and
now I'm in Michigan. I grew
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up in an Adventist family,
and I've still been in the
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church since then. -
Nice! So you've always been
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Adventist? - Yes. -
Okay. You were raised in the
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church, stayed in the
church... That's a powerful
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testimony in and of itself.
A lot of times, people think
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that, "Oh, yeah, I
have to leave and do this,
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that, and a third to have
a powerful testimony," but
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no. You have a very powerful
testimony in the fact that
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you stood firm and you
stayed in the faith, and
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that's awesome. Tell
me about YOUR background.
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- Well, I was raised in
a small town in Northern
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Michigan-Oscoda, Michigan-
and while I was growing up,
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we went to church together
till I was in early middle
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school...around 3rd grade.
I guess elementary school.
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And at that time, my
family stopped going to
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church because of a falling
out with our pastor. - Mhm.
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- But my grandma, she
still wanted me and my
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twin brother to go to
church. She's a faithful
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grandma, so she took us
with her to a Baptist church
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for a while. When I was
a little bit older in high
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school, I kind of... I
started going to a youth
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group, but then I
drifted away from church...
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But when I decided to go
to Michigan State University
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after my senior year of
high school, that's when
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I met the Public
Campus Ministries group, which
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I can talk about
later... But that's when I found
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God. - Wow. Awesome. Now
Jermaine, tell me a little bit
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about CAMPUS. Tell
me about the history of
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CAMPUS. - So, CAMPUS
is an acronym. It's called
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the Center for Adventist
Ministry to Public University
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Students. We're
blessed to be in Michigan. The
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Michigan Conference in
1998 became the first conference
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in the North American Division
to have a department that
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was solely dedicated to doing
ministry on the public secular
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university campus. And
in 1999, the center was
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born, and the Center for
Adventist Ministry to Public
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University Students is
where we do several things, but
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more primarily we do
ministry on the public
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university campus. At
the center, we have a house
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that is dedicated
towards meeting the needs of not
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only students but
also our missionaries, and
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we have programs that
we do there, as well. So
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throughout the years,
since 1999 to now, CAMPUS has
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been a huge benefit-
not only to the church
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but also to the
public university. We started
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first in Ann Arbor by
University of Michigan,
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which has over 40,000
students. - 40 thousand
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students! - Over
40,000 students. - Wow! - And
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then we moved from
Ann Arbor to East Lancing,
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Michigan, which is
where we are now, and Michigan
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State has over 50,000
students. - Wow! - The
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center is about a block
away from Michigan State
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University. We're
very blessed, because we're
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not only surrounded
by a great, vast mission
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field, but we also
have a local church there:
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the University
church, which is where I serve
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as one of the pastors.
So we have the University
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church, we have the CAMPUS
house, which is the center,
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and then we have the
University which is our
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mission field. So, a
lot of work that needs to
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be done. - Yes! Sounds
like a huge task, a huge
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undertaking. - It is. -
How did you join CAMPUS?
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- You know, it's interesting
for me, 'cause I feel...
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A part of my experience
has been- the Lord has
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led me on a journey.
And something that I didn't
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share at the beginning
was I didn't grow up in the
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church. When I was in
Jamaica, I was very...
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I was somewhat antagonistic
towards God-very rebellious
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against Him because I
felt like growing up in
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my home, I felt God
didn't really care about me
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because of some situation
that had taken place in
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my house. My dad
left when I was about 11,
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and I haven't seen him
since that time-so it's
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been 19 years since
I've seen my father. And this
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fall, in the fall,
I'll be able to see him.
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- Yeah. - But nonetheless,
from that experience, I
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literally just turned
my back on the idea of God,
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I became more atheistic
in my mindset, and just
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whatever I could to
get away from the idea of
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God was what I did. I
remember the first time
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I actually prayed and
asked God, and my prayer was
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very simple. I said,
"God, if You exist, show me.
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And if You care,
show me, as well," and He
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answered that prayer
by leading me to working
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at a pharmacy where every
single person was a Seventh-day
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Adventist. - You
have got to be kidding me.
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- Nope! - Every
single person? - Every single
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person was a Seventh-day
Adventist-from the manager
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to the supervisor
going all the way down, and
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I remember walking
into this pharmacy where you
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had Bible verses on
every wall...and that's where
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I received my first
Bible. It's crazy to think,
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because I received
that Bible for my birthday,
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so it was a birthday
gift on January 8th...and at
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first, I thought it was
an insult. You know?-someone
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who didn't believe in
God but received the Bible as
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a birthday gift. -
Uh-huh. - That Bible became the
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place that I went
for answers to my many
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questions that I had for
God, and so I began reading
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it. I remember spending
all night reading, and that's
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how I came into the church.
- That is awesome. - So the
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Lord has led me on
that journey; and since that
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time, I remember committing
myself and saying, "Lord,
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wherever you want to take
me, I'll go." And that was
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the beginning of that
journey. And so when I
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left Jamaica to come to
the United States, I was
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living with my mom, and
then I felt the Lord was
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calling me to the ministry,
and ministry full-time.
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Of course, I wasn't
very willing at the time, but
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nonetheless I surrendered,
and the Lord led me to
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pastoral ministry. I
came to campus, and I remember
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the first time I arrived,
it was actually an interesting
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experience, because
I got a phone call. And
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on the phone call, someone
was telling me that there
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was an opportunity
to work and to be a part
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of CAMPUS Ministries
in Michigan. Never heard
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of it at that
time... Before that time, I
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should say. And when
I finally came... When I
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got the call,
actually, I was told that I had
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one week to get a
car, to drive to Michigan,
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and I had no money at
all. And so I knelt and
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prayed, and in about two
hours, I was able to raise
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$4,000, was able to buy a
car. - In t... Whoa, whoa,
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whoa, hold on... [laughter]
Hold on. In two hours, you
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raised $4,000? -
$4,000. The Lord provided, and
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I was able to buy a
car, and I drove to Michigan.
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It's interesting,
because Jason, there was a time
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where I actually prayed
and I said, "Lord, I would
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never go to work where
it's cold, or too cold."
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- Uh-huh. - And the
Lord sent me to Michigan.
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- Oh, it's definitely
cold in Michigan. [laughter]
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- And January of 2015,
I was sent to the Upper
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Peninsula of
Michigan, which is even colder.
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- Like, Camp Au Sable
area, or...? - No, actually,
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beyond that! This
was in Houghton, so close
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to Michigan Tech. That
year was a bitter... It
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was a really tough year;
but nonetheless, I enjoyed
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it. Just imagine a Jamaican
skiing and doing those kinds
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of winter sports. -
Yeah, yeah, yeah! - But it was
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an amazing experience,
and since then the Lord
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has been blessing us
tremendously. - Praise
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the Lord. What about you,
Julianna? How did you come
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to CAMPUS? - Like I said,
I grew up in the Adventist
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church, went to Adventist
schools, went to an Adventist
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high school... After
high school, I was planning
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to go to a public university.
I was working at a summer
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camp the summer after
I graduated, and that's
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how I found out
about CAMPUS. The director
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was there, also, at
the summer camp, and so
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that kind of put into
my head, "Maybe I should
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get some training
about how I can reach out to
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people because I'm planning
to go to a public university,"
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so that's how I ended
up at CAMPUS. I took the
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year off after high
school and became a missionary.
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- Wow. What about you,
Miranda? - Well... [giggles]
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When I started off on my
freshman year at Michigan
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State University, that's
when-like I said earlier-
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I met the CAMPUS
group. I was surrounded in a
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lot of different influences
when I first got there.
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I was a freshman who was
17 years old, living on a
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transfer floor of a
bunch of 21, 22-year-olds who
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loved to drink and
smoke and do all those things.
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And when I first
got there, I was heavily
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surrounded with
those influences. They were
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my friends, so they pressured
me to do different things
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that I didn't really
want to do... So after
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a little while, I
decided to break off from those
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friends, because I knew
I wanted something better
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for my life. And at that
time, I didn't really know
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who God was. Growing
up, I had different...
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I didn't have an understanding
of who He was; I viewed
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Him as Someone who
didn't truly care about
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me, based off-kind of like
Pastor Jermaine was saying-
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based off of different
situations, I thought that
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God was distant; He
didn't care about my family
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because of what we
were going through, and so
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when I got to college
and I was going through a
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difficult situation,
I decided that I wanted
00:16:03.96\00:16:06.33
to give God a chance
and I wanted to pray. And I
00:16:06.39\00:16:09.50
did pray, and I
asked Him for at least one
00:16:09.56\00:16:12.60
good Christian
friend, because I had a lot of
00:16:12.67\00:16:14.37
friends that weren't
really good influences, so...
00:16:14.44\00:16:17.27
I was praying for one
good Christian friend.
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And so one day, I was
walking on campus back
00:16:20.21\00:16:24.28
to my dorm, and Michigan
State's campus is pretty
00:16:24.38\00:16:26.41
big. It takes about
30 minutes to walk across
00:16:26.51\00:16:28.98
the whole campus. -
Oh, wow. - And I went to
00:16:29.05\00:16:32.95
a cafe on the other
side of campus that I'd never
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been to, so I had to
use my GPS to get there.
00:16:37.89\00:16:41.10
But on the way back, I
decided that I wanted to
00:16:41.16\00:16:43.03
just... - You had to-
whoa, you had to use your GPS
00:16:43.10\00:16:45.23
to get to the
cafeteria on the other side of
00:16:45.30\00:16:47.90
campus? [laughter] - Yeah.
I didn't have to use the GPS
00:16:48.00\00:16:52.94
for the closer cafeterias,
but that was really far,
00:16:53.01\00:16:56.24
so... On the way back,
though, I decided that I
00:16:56.31\00:16:59.01
wanted to turn it off
and just figure out my way
00:16:59.11\00:17:00.95
back to my dorm
room. And so I was walking
00:17:01.02\00:17:05.32
around campus, and I
actually found a quicker
00:17:05.39\00:17:06.79
way to get there-that the
GPS had taken me the longer
00:17:06.86\00:17:09.36
way but I found a
quicker way. And so as I was
00:17:09.42\00:17:11.66
walking down the different
sidewalks... It was almost
00:17:11.73\00:17:14.30
like, looking back now,
it was like God was leading
00:17:14.36\00:17:16.50
me to a tent. So,
there was a tent set up on
00:17:16.56\00:17:20.57
campus, and it was
actually an event that CAMPUS
00:17:20.64\00:17:23.00
Ministries was
putting on called, "Creative
00:17:23.10\00:17:25.37
Tour." And when I got
there, I just saw like,
00:17:25.44\00:17:29.98
free massages, there
was free food, live music,
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messages from a
pastor, and... I kind of wasn't
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interested in any of that
stuff, but I kept walking;
00:17:37.95\00:17:40.12
and as I kept walking,
I saw a big prayer wall
00:17:40.19\00:17:42.19
on the other side of the
sidewalk. And I was like,
00:17:42.26\00:17:45.03
"Oh, you know, this
is a Christian group,"
00:17:45.13\00:17:46.53
and I realized that I
had a prayer request that I
00:17:46.63\00:17:49.76
wanted people to be praying
for, so I walked up to the
00:17:49.83\00:17:52.53
prayer wall and I started
writing my prayer requests
00:17:52.63\00:17:54.24
to find one good Christian
friend. And it's crazy,
00:17:54.30\00:17:57.67
because while I was doing
that, God literally answered
00:17:57.77\00:18:00.04
my prayer; and
Julianna, she actually walked up
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to me and started a
conversation, and we
00:18:02.58\00:18:05.78
started talking. I was a
little intimidated at first,
00:18:05.91\00:18:08.48
because I was a
little freshman, and I didn't
00:18:08.58\00:18:11.92
know how old Julianna
was. We found out after we
00:18:11.99\00:18:13.79
started talking that
we were almost the same
00:18:13.86\00:18:15.19
age, but I thought she
was, like, way older than
00:18:15.22\00:18:17.33
me, and I was super nervous
to talk to her! Because back
00:18:17.39\00:18:20.90
then, I was a lot
more introverted than I am
00:18:20.96\00:18:22.60
now. Praise the Lord
He's made me a little bit more
00:18:22.66\00:18:25.47
extroverted, but...[giggles]
I was really introverted.
00:18:25.53\00:18:27.47
And so, we started talking,
and she invited me inside
00:18:27.54\00:18:30.31
the tent just to listen to
the music and the messages.
00:18:30.41\00:18:33.88
And so, we sat down, and
we talked a little bit before
00:18:33.94\00:18:36.04
it started. And then afterwards,
she handed me a card that had
00:18:36.11\00:18:39.48
different small group Bible
studies on it. At the time,
00:18:39.58\00:18:42.92
they were doing four
small groups-one every day,
00:18:42.98\00:18:45.69
Monday to Thursday. And
so, she was explaining to
00:18:45.79\00:18:48.66
me the different
topics, and she told me about
00:18:48.76\00:18:50.33
Monday night which was
my most free night, and
00:18:50.39\00:18:52.33
she told me it was
called Pillars of the Bible. It
00:18:52.43\00:18:54.60
sounded really interesting
to me, and she was going
00:18:54.70\00:18:56.73
to be there, so I
decided to go. I remember that
00:18:56.87\00:19:01.47
first Bible study I
went to. We studied Daniel
00:19:01.57\00:19:03.94
2, Nebuchadnezzar's dream,
and I had never heard anything
00:19:04.07\00:19:09.78
about Bible prophecy, growing
up, and I especially hadn't
00:19:09.88\00:19:13.05
seen how closely
history is related to the Bible.
00:19:13.15\00:19:15.62
So while we were
going through the texts, it
00:19:15.75\00:19:17.52
completely blew my
mind- and Pastor Jermaine was
00:19:17.62\00:19:19.69
actually the small
group leader. And so, we were
00:19:19.79\00:19:25.09
going through them-every
single verse and question
00:19:25.19\00:19:28.76
that... It was the It Is
Written Bible study packet.
00:19:28.86\00:19:30.93
Every little question
we were going through, I
00:19:31.03\00:19:32.87
was like, "Whoa, this
is so crazy how related
00:19:32.93\00:19:36.47
history is to the Bible."
And so, I ended up going;
00:19:36.57\00:19:40.88
I kept going after that,
because I was so interested,
00:19:40.98\00:19:44.05
and I had that thirst
to learn more about the
00:19:44.18\00:19:46.48
Bible after that. And so,
I kept studying with them,
00:19:46.58\00:19:49.95
and everyone was so
different from anyone
00:19:50.05\00:19:52.45
I'd met-any young people
I'd ever met. I could tell
00:19:52.55\00:19:55.92
that they were so set
apart from God and that
00:19:55.99\00:19:58.56
they wanted to
truly serve Him. And after
00:19:58.66\00:20:01.10
I got to know them a
little bit better, they
00:20:01.20\00:20:02.63
told me that they took
a whole year off to serve
00:20:02.70\00:20:04.47
God-off of school
and off of work-and when
00:20:04.60\00:20:07.47
they told me that, I
realized that if they
00:20:07.54\00:20:10.24
love God that much,
then there's something about
00:20:10.34\00:20:12.21
Him I was missing; so
I really wanted to learn
00:20:12.27\00:20:14.48
who He was and learn
why these young people
00:20:14.58\00:20:17.75
wanted to serve Him and
didn't do what other young
00:20:17.85\00:20:20.12
people were doing. So,
I kept studying with them,
00:20:20.18\00:20:23.05
and we became really good
friends. They're my family.
00:20:23.15\00:20:26.12
[giggles] And so
after the semester, I
00:20:26.19\00:20:31.86
decided to be baptized.
- Praise the Lord. - Yeah.
00:20:31.96\00:20:34.60
And so after that, I
was involved with our center
00:20:34.66\00:20:37.40
group at Michigan
State. I was praying about what
00:20:37.47\00:20:41.20
I should do to the next
year, 'cause I was planning
00:20:41.30\00:20:43.34
on going back to school...
but I had a thought: what
00:20:43.41\00:20:46.17
about doing CAMPUS? What
about reaching out to students
00:20:46.31\00:20:49.21
like I was reached out
to? So I started praying about
00:20:49.28\00:20:52.11
it...and it was kind
of a hard decision for me,
00:20:52.21\00:20:54.28
because I'm a first-generation
college student, and I didn't
00:20:54.35\00:20:59.59
know how my parents
would react to me taking a year
00:20:59.69\00:21:01.89
off. They kind of
reacted negatively towards
00:21:01.96\00:21:03.73
me becoming an Adventist,
so I was scared to even
00:21:03.83\00:21:06.53
think about that! But
also, I just... I was kind
00:21:06.66\00:21:11.47
of scared to take
time off of school, because
00:21:11.57\00:21:13.50
I didn't know what
would happen after I took the
00:21:13.57\00:21:16.00
year off. But I
really prayed about it, and I
00:21:16.07\00:21:18.07
really thought about it,
because I knew if I could
00:21:18.17\00:21:21.21
just impact one person
like I was impacted that
00:21:21.28\00:21:23.48
year, then it was all
worth it. So, I decided
00:21:23.58\00:21:26.58
to become a CAMPUS missionary.
- That's awesome. You know,
00:21:26.65\00:21:30.12
it's very interesting
that, I mean, you said a prayer,
00:21:30.19\00:21:32.39
and your prayer was answered
almost instantly. You were
00:21:32.45\00:21:35.56
surrounded by, you know,
a circle of bad influences
00:21:35.62\00:21:38.43
at first; and then here
comes Julianna, introduces
00:21:38.53\00:21:43.40
you to this program,
and also studies with you.
00:21:43.50\00:21:48.10
You studied Daniel chapter
2, and Pastor was leading
00:21:48.20\00:21:51.91
out on the studies.
And then, you saw something
00:21:52.01\00:21:57.18
in them that they had
that love for God that was just
00:21:57.28\00:22:01.08
contagious; and you realized
that there was something
00:22:01.18\00:22:04.49
that you were missing
about the God that they serve.
00:22:04.55\00:22:08.02
And then, you started
serving God, too! [laughter]
00:22:08.12\00:22:12.06
- Amen. - And you found
out what it was that you were
00:22:12.16\00:22:14.30
missing. And as a result
of that, too, and the Holy
00:22:14.40\00:22:19.23
Spirit working on
you, you wanted to share
00:22:19.33\00:22:21.77
that with somebody else.
That is beautiful. That's
00:22:21.87\00:22:25.47
a powerful
testimony. Pastor, why don't you
00:22:25.54\00:22:28.58
tell us about some
of the program details,
00:22:28.78\00:22:31.61
like what programs do
you offer, and what are
00:22:31.71\00:22:34.62
the details of those?
- Definitely. So, there
00:22:34.78\00:22:38.12
are several programs
that we do at CAMPUS; and
00:22:38.19\00:22:40.62
Miranda just
mentioned she took a year off to
00:22:40.79\00:22:42.86
become a missionary.
That program, we call
00:22:42.96\00:22:45.73
the internship
program; so we invite students
00:22:45.79\00:22:48.33
that are studying on
public university campuses,
00:22:48.43\00:22:51.97
or a student that is
in between high school
00:22:52.07\00:22:55.57
and college to take
a year off to get back
00:22:55.64\00:22:57.51
to God, to give some
time to the Lord, to do
00:22:57.61\00:23:00.68
missionary work-and
that's the internship program.
00:23:00.78\00:23:03.14
We also have three
other programs that we do.
00:23:03.24\00:23:05.25
And my year, I did
the residency program-the
00:23:05.35\00:23:08.75
CAMPUS residency program-
and that one is designed
00:23:08.82\00:23:11.09
for pastoral/evangelism
major students who are
00:23:11.19\00:23:15.09
young people who feel like
they're called to the ministry
00:23:15.16\00:23:17.99
and they want to
test that call and see how
00:23:18.09\00:23:20.13
they would line up with
it. So, that's a wonderful
00:23:20.20\00:23:23.47
program, 'cause you
get to work with the local
00:23:23.53\00:23:25.43
church, you get to work
in fields of ministry... But
00:23:25.53\00:23:28.80
with the more specifically-
aligned towards doing
00:23:28.90\00:23:32.67
ministry on the
public university campus.
00:23:32.74\00:23:34.54
And then we have
the scholarship program,
00:23:34.64\00:23:36.71
which Miranda has done
that program this year;
00:23:36.81\00:23:39.68
so she not only became
an intern, a missionary,
00:23:39.78\00:23:42.65
but then she
continued on being a scholar.
00:23:42.72\00:23:45.19
The scholarship program
is designed for students
00:23:45.25\00:23:47.49
who are still in
school but want to do ministry
00:23:47.59\00:23:50.63
while they're at
school- so it's not just getting
00:23:50.73\00:23:53.80
an education which
is... For CAMPUS, for us at
00:23:53.93\00:23:57.17
CAMPUS, it's very important
for our students to excel
00:23:57.27\00:23:59.60
in the academics, in
the areas of academics;
00:23:59.67\00:24:04.21
but also, we want them
to excel spiritually. - Yes.
00:24:04.31\00:24:07.41
- And I believe, personally,
that it's spiritual suicide
00:24:07.51\00:24:10.45
to not do ministry on a
public university campus,
00:24:10.55\00:24:12.61
or to not do
ministry at all. - Unpack that
00:24:12.71\00:24:15.05
a little bit. - It-
I... You know, the thing
00:24:15.15\00:24:18.15
that you learn when you're
doing ministry, for example,
00:24:18.29\00:24:20.66
is that you learn
how much you don't know.
00:24:20.76\00:24:23.56
- Yes, yes. - That for
some reason, when you're
00:24:23.63\00:24:27.46
ministering to someone
else, you begin to learn
00:24:27.56\00:24:29.66
how much God wants to
teach you-and there are
00:24:29.76\00:24:32.30
some things that God
teaches you only when
00:24:32.37\00:24:34.47
you're actually
doing ministry with someone
00:24:34.60\00:24:36.24
else. For example, recently...
I'll just- this one story:
00:24:36.34\00:24:41.24
recently, I got up one
morning, and I was about
00:24:41.34\00:24:45.28
to leave home for
work, 'cause I do work at the
00:24:45.35\00:24:47.98
center. I go to the
CAMPUS house. I was leaving my
00:24:48.08\00:24:51.55
house. I got up that
morning, and I prayed;
00:24:51.65\00:24:53.36
I said, "Lord, if
there is someone that you
00:24:53.46\00:24:55.52
would like me to
reach today, please give me
00:24:55.62\00:24:57.86
that opportunity." I
walked out of my apartment
00:24:57.96\00:25:00.83
building, came downstairs,
and opened my car door;
00:25:00.93\00:25:04.93
turned the key, and
my car wouldn't start. My
00:25:05.03\00:25:08.34
car was dead. It was a
problem with my car battery...
00:25:08.47\00:25:11.94
and I prayed. I said,
"Lord, I can't- I need
00:25:12.04\00:25:14.81
to be at work on time,"
and there's another young
00:25:14.88\00:25:17.61
man coming out. It was
so embarrassing, 'cause
00:25:17.71\00:25:19.51
I was walking out with
my cereal in my hand, and...
00:25:19.58\00:25:21.65
[laughter] I was
eating breakfast on my way
00:25:21.72\00:25:25.19
out, and this young
man was coming out. I said,
00:25:25.29\00:25:28.62
"Hey, my car doesn't
start. Can you help me?" Turns
00:25:28.72\00:25:31.19
out he is a professor
at the same university at
00:25:31.26\00:25:34.70
Michigan State. And
so, we had an exchange.
00:25:34.76\00:25:38.73
He pulled his car up,
helped me out, and gave
00:25:38.83\00:25:42.10
me a jump-start. And
that very person, we did lunch
00:25:42.17\00:25:45.27
later that week, and
we're now doing Bible studies
00:25:45.34\00:25:49.18
together. - Wow. - So,
it's interesting. - Wow,
00:25:49.24\00:25:52.21
yeah. - And it's one
of those things where,
00:25:52.31\00:25:55.08
to me, when you're doing
ministry, your relationship
00:25:55.18\00:25:57.75
with God is revived. It's
just on fire. I mean, there's
00:25:57.85\00:26:00.56
so much that you
learn. God teaches you a lot.
00:26:00.62\00:26:03.79
And Ellen White, she
made a statement once that I
00:26:03.89\00:26:07.60
read once; and she
says, "Those who begin with
00:26:07.66\00:26:10.63
the little they know,
those who share the little they
00:26:10.73\00:26:13.64
know"-just paraphrasing-
"will find the storehouse
00:26:13.74\00:26:17.51
of heaven open to
their searching." You know,
00:26:17.61\00:26:21.38
along those lines. So,
it's like when you start
00:26:21.44\00:26:24.28
out with just a
little that you know to reach
00:26:24.35\00:26:26.18
out to someone else who
is in need, you begin to
00:26:26.25\00:26:28.88
see that heaven opens
up to you. - Mhm. - So,
00:26:28.95\00:26:31.65
that's what I mean by,
"It's spiritual suicide to
00:26:31.75\00:26:34.76
not do ministry."
[laughter] - Gotcha, Gotcha. And
00:26:34.86\00:26:36.93
the beautiful thing is,
too, is they start asking
00:26:37.03\00:26:38.76
questions, and you
might not have the answers
00:26:38.86\00:26:41.36
for those questions,
so you have to go find
00:26:41.46\00:26:43.20
the answers for the questions
and then come back to them,
00:26:43.26\00:26:45.60
and that's one more
thing that you learn. - And it
00:26:45.70\00:26:47.80
revives your spiritual
life. - Absolutely. - One
00:26:47.87\00:26:49.90
thing that we
believe at CAMPUS is we are a
00:26:50.01\00:26:52.17
Bible-based revival movement
in which every single student
00:26:53.27\00:26:56.75
is a missionary, so
we inspire them to be
00:26:56.85\00:26:59.18
missionaries. And we
are missionaries ourselves!
00:26:59.25\00:27:02.52
I cannot say, "You are
a missionary," if I'm not
00:27:02.58\00:27:05.92
myself a missionary,
doing the ministry that God has
00:27:05.99\00:27:09.16
called me to do. And so,
going back to the programs:
00:27:09.22\00:27:12.49
we do have the internship,
we have the scholarship
00:27:12.59\00:27:15.56
and the residency,
and then the last one, we
00:27:15.66\00:27:17.30
have the fellowship program,
which is young people who
00:27:17.40\00:27:20.87
decide to serve
further. They become volunteers,
00:27:20.94\00:27:23.84
and they work with
the organization, and try
00:27:23.94\00:27:26.21
to do ministry even
more, so... - That's awesome.
00:27:26.27\00:27:28.61
Now, you also have retreats
and events, correct? - We
00:27:28.71\00:27:31.28
do. - What are
some- what do these
00:27:31.38\00:27:32.98
retreats look like,
and what do some of the
00:27:33.08\00:27:34.88
events look like? -
You know, I think Julianna
00:27:34.95\00:27:37.69
and Miranda can attest to
this, but the college life
00:27:37.79\00:27:40.92
can be very stressful.
I mean, it's just intense.
00:27:41.02\00:27:43.99
You go throughout the
entire year; you're doing
00:27:44.09\00:27:46.70
your classes and
exams, you know. It's a very
00:27:46.80\00:27:50.60
stressful environment,
and the influences, not
00:27:50.70\00:27:53.34
to mention... The
CAMPUS house is surrounded by-
00:27:53.40\00:27:56.71
what are they called?-
fraternities and sororities,
00:27:56.81\00:28:01.24
and we have this big
blue house on the block, you
00:28:01.91\00:28:03.91
know? So really,
everyone knows the CAMPUS house.
00:28:04.01\00:28:07.45
But nonetheless...
So, we try to do retreats
00:28:08.68\00:28:11.69
throughout the year. In
every fall, for example,
00:28:11.79\00:28:17.13
we have our high school
and college retreat up at
00:28:17.23\00:28:19.59
Camp Au Sable. We invite
our students to come away
00:28:19.69\00:28:22.20
for a little bit, and
we spend some time together
00:28:22.33\00:28:24.83
studying the Bible,
fellowshipping together.
00:28:24.93\00:28:27.34
And then in the
winter, we have our CAMPUS
00:28:27.44\00:28:30.47
winter retreat, which is
more geared towards our...
00:28:30.57\00:28:33.64
- I hope you go to
Florida for that. [laughter]
00:28:33.74\00:28:40.42
- Yeah. Unfortunately,
we don't go to Florida
00:28:40.52\00:28:42.05
for that...but Michigan
is just as good [laughter]
00:28:42.12\00:28:45.85
in the winter. So, we
go back up again to Camp
00:28:45.95\00:28:49.52
Au Sable; and what's amazing
about our retreat... Something
00:28:49.62\00:28:53.46
that I didn't mention is that
at CAMPUS, we teach something
00:28:53.56\00:28:55.86
that we call Cross-platform
Ministry-and what that
00:28:55.93\00:28:59.60
means is we don't
hide anything about what we
00:28:59.67\00:29:02.04
do and about who we are. We are
very upfront: we are Seventh-day
00:29:02.14\00:29:05.44
Adventists, we believe
in the seventh-day Sabbath,
00:29:05.54\00:29:07.51
we believe the Bible and
all that it teaches... And so
00:29:07.58\00:29:10.98
whenever we have our
retreat- in fact, if I
00:29:11.05\00:29:13.11
recall, most of our retreats
have been either between
00:29:13.21\00:29:17.89
40% and 50% non-Adventist.
- Really! - Yup. - Oh, that's
00:29:17.99\00:29:22.86
beautiful. - So people
come up to our retreats,
00:29:22.92\00:29:25.53
and they get to taste
Vegi-Links for the first
00:29:25.63\00:29:27.70
time. [laughs] -
Wow. Wow. - It's always an
00:29:27.80\00:29:30.90
interesting experience to
see the responses, you know?
00:29:31.00\00:29:33.80
But when it's
really, really good food, and
00:29:33.94\00:29:36.30
it's... "I'm so happy
you didn't tell me this
00:29:36.40\00:29:38.74
was vegan before!" [laughs]
And they really enjoy it.
00:29:38.84\00:29:42.34
We invite them into that
space, into that experience,
00:29:42.44\00:29:47.58
because we want them
to know we are authentic
00:29:47.68\00:29:50.42
Christians; we don't hide
anything from people. This
00:29:50.49\00:29:53.05
is who we are. You know?
Being a Seventh-day Adventist
00:29:53.12\00:29:55.82
is not something that we
do; it's who we are. - Yes.
00:29:55.92\00:29:58.43
- Being a missionary is
not something that we do;
00:29:58.53\00:30:00.46
it's who we are. And
so when they begin to see
00:30:00.56\00:30:03.43
that from us, they ask
questions, like Miranda
00:30:03.53\00:30:07.14
and like others-that
they say, "There's something
00:30:07.20\00:30:10.57
different about this person."
And so, that's a few of the
00:30:10.64\00:30:13.78
things that we do. We also
have our Collegiate Sabbath
00:30:13.84\00:30:17.05
that happens at our
public universities around the
00:30:17.15\00:30:20.08
state of Michigan. And
we have also throughout
00:30:20.22\00:30:24.92
the week, we have our small
groups that go on. And then
00:30:25.02\00:30:28.42
on the weekends, we
have some special Sabbaths
00:30:28.52\00:30:30.96
where we invite our students
into our church, and we go
00:30:31.03\00:30:34.13
from there. - And you also
have Bible boot camps, too,
00:30:34.20\00:30:36.63
right? - Yeah.
Jason, thank you so much for
00:30:36.70\00:30:38.03
asking about Bible Boot
Camp. So, Bible Boot Camp is our
00:30:38.07\00:30:41.84
one-week intensive training
that we use to begin the
00:30:41.94\00:30:45.77
program, and our students
get to interact with the
00:30:45.87\00:30:49.78
Word of God. So,
there are two goals that we
00:30:49.91\00:30:51.81
have during Bible
Boot Camp: how to study the
00:30:51.88\00:30:54.78
Bible, then also how to
teach the Bible to others.
00:30:54.88\00:30:57.29
So, that two-fold
mission during that week-so it's
00:30:57.39\00:31:00.29
a very intense one-week
training. So, we talk about
00:31:00.39\00:31:02.82
how to do Bible studies
and how to study the Bible
00:31:02.92\00:31:06.49
on your own, and things
like that. So, it's a really
00:31:06.59\00:31:09.53
good week. We get to
have different presenters
00:31:09.60\00:31:11.93
that talk about different
topics regarding ministry,
00:31:12.03\00:31:16.24
so... - Nice. Yeah,
that sounds crucial; so, it's
00:31:16.34\00:31:18.51
not just... You're
teaching them how to rely on the
00:31:18.61\00:31:22.48
Word of God and how
to study the Word of God.
00:31:22.54\00:31:24.38
- 'Cause, again,
we're a Bible-based revival
00:31:24.51\00:31:26.82
movement, so the Bible
has to be at the center
00:31:26.92\00:31:29.12
of everything we do, so...
- Absolutely... Absolutely.
00:31:29.18\00:31:31.65
Well, how do you recommend
going about-and this is for
00:31:31.72\00:31:34.46
anyone who wants to answer
this question-how do you go,
00:31:34.56\00:31:36.93
or how would you recommend
going about starting somebody
00:31:37.03\00:31:41.73
on a Bible study?
Like, let's say somebody at
00:31:41.83\00:31:44.10
home wants to give
their friend or their neighbor
00:31:44.20\00:31:47.34
a Bible study, and
they don't even know how to
00:31:47.44\00:31:50.84
approach the subject.
How would you go about
00:31:50.94\00:31:53.58
that? - Well, that is a
good place to start, too-finding
00:31:53.68\00:31:56.91
people that you know
and have a connection with.
00:31:56.98\00:31:58.78
You could try having
a spiritual conversation
00:31:59.81\00:32:01.38
with them, finding out
where they are, and then leading
00:32:01.45\00:32:04.25
in that way. A good study
to start with is trying to
00:32:04.32\00:32:08.86
put their faith in the
Word of God. So, a study that
00:32:09.96\00:32:13.09
we use to start with
is the Daniel 2 study to
00:32:13.13\00:32:15.26
establish that God's
Word has predicted things and
00:32:15.33\00:32:19.27
it has come true, so
we can put our faith into
00:32:19.33\00:32:20.87
that. - Ah, gotcha. -
So essentially, the Bible
00:32:20.94\00:32:24.51
can be trusted. - Mhm.
- And I guess one of the
00:32:24.61\00:32:28.14
challenges that people
may have, 'cause I know
00:32:28.21\00:32:30.31
I've had this challenge,
Jason, where it's like you're
00:32:30.38\00:32:33.15
sitting down, you
have your Bible, there's a
00:32:33.21\00:32:35.08
friend of yours, and
you want to get to the point
00:32:35.15\00:32:36.82
where you want that person
to also have an interest in
00:32:36.89\00:32:39.75
the Word of God. And it's hard,
but the best recommendation
00:32:39.82\00:32:45.09
that I've received is,
"Just ask." You know? - Yeah.
00:32:45.19\00:32:48.13
- In the sense that you
never know what will happen-what
00:32:48.23\00:32:51.10
the Holy Spirit will
do with those words if
00:32:51.20\00:32:52.83
you were to say, "Hey!
You know, it will be cool
00:32:52.93\00:32:55.37
if we study the
Bible together; what do you
00:32:55.47\00:32:57.01
think?" - Yeah. - You know?
"Would you be interested in
00:32:57.07\00:32:59.37
us spending some time,
reading the Bible together?"
00:32:59.47\00:33:02.08
And it's interesting,
because the gentleman
00:33:02.18\00:33:05.18
that I talked about before,
now-the guy who jump-started
00:33:05.28\00:33:09.45
my car-it was really...
I was talking with him,
00:33:09.55\00:33:13.05
I shared my
testimony (which is also a good
00:33:13.15\00:33:15.02
recommendation; share
your testimony, too), and
00:33:15.12\00:33:17.96
I shared my story with
him. And then afterward,
00:33:18.03\00:33:19.76
I told him, "I read
the Bible as an observer.
00:33:19.86\00:33:22.50
I read to learn." He is
a science professor, and
00:33:22.60\00:33:25.93
he is an atheist. -
Wow, yeah. - And we're having
00:33:26.03\00:33:28.57
that conversation, and I
said, "Hey, would you like
00:33:28.67\00:33:30.71
to observe the Bible
with me?" And that was a good
00:33:30.77\00:33:33.91
segue into him studying
the Bible with me, so there's
00:33:34.01\00:33:37.01
that transition there
that you could use. - So you
00:33:37.08\00:33:39.51
used the buzzword-basically,
a scientific buzzword-
00:33:39.58\00:33:42.58
"observation";
"observe the Bible with me." And
00:33:42.68\00:33:46.52
so you were able to transition
into that, so he started
00:33:46.62\00:33:49.49
studying with you? - Yeah!
We started having spiritual
00:33:49.56\00:33:51.96
conversations. And then
after a while... In fact,
00:33:52.03\00:33:54.50
it's interesting,
because I bought him a Bible as
00:33:54.56\00:33:56.93
a gift. I gave the Bible
to him, and he started...
00:33:56.97\00:33:59.63
because, of course,
he doesn't really believe
00:33:59.70\00:34:02.04
in God, so I gave him
the Bible, and I told him-
00:34:02.10\00:34:05.17
he asked me, "What's
the best place to start
00:34:05.24\00:34:06.71
for someone who doesn't
believe?" And I said, "The
00:34:06.78\00:34:09.18
best place to start,
for me, would be the book
00:34:09.24\00:34:11.45
of John, because John
discloses Jesus Christ
00:34:11.51\00:34:14.02
in a very powerful way."
He discloses Jesus Christ
00:34:14.08\00:34:17.89
as more than just a
man, but divine. And so, he
00:34:17.95\00:34:20.99
started reading the
book of John, and we had a
00:34:21.06\00:34:23.16
meeting. We got back,
we were walking together
00:34:23.22\00:34:26.46
when we were talking,
and he said to me, "Man,
00:34:26.53\00:34:28.66
the book of John is
so powerful. There are so
00:34:28.73\00:34:31.97
many things that I'm
learning there." And he's
00:34:32.07\00:34:34.14
like, "Why does John
keep repeating the theme,
00:34:34.20\00:34:36.20
'everlasting life'?
What does that mean?" And
00:34:36.27\00:34:39.21
so, we were able to
get into unpacking what it
00:34:39.27\00:34:41.41
means to have eternal
life. He thought it was
00:34:41.48\00:34:44.01
a spiritual? little
thing; but nonetheless,
00:34:44.08\00:34:47.28
we were able to get
back to the Bible, and I told
00:34:47.32\00:34:50.32
him to keep searching.
So, he is still studying
00:34:50.39\00:34:52.02
the Bible! - That is
awesome. And he was an atheist.
00:34:52.09\00:34:55.29
- He was an atheist. -
Wow. That's amazing. - His
00:34:55.32\00:34:58.49
life is slowly
changing. I don't know where he
00:34:58.56\00:35:01.13
is at on the spectrum
as far as from atheism
00:35:01.20\00:35:04.90
going to believing. He
still says, "I don't know
00:35:04.97\00:35:09.17
how to describe myself
at this point," so I won't
00:35:09.24\00:35:11.54
give him a description;
but he's learning, so...
00:35:11.61\00:35:14.48
- Yes, yes. And as he
continues to study the
00:35:14.54\00:35:16.95
Word of God, he'll
just continue to uncover
00:35:17.01\00:35:20.12
truth. - Correct. - Now,
you guys are big, clearly,
00:35:20.18\00:35:24.55
on campuses-college
campuses-so that means
00:35:24.62\00:35:29.46
you deal with a lot
of young people. Now, has
00:35:29.52\00:35:33.46
anybody been to GYC?
- Yeah. - Yeah, GYC is
00:35:33.53\00:35:37.63
a youth conference
that happens in December, at
00:35:37.73\00:35:40.84
the end of the year. And
generally, CAMPUS will take
00:35:40.97\00:35:43.41
a caravan down there.
We'll bring students that
00:35:43.47\00:35:45.81
we've been having studies
with, and the missionaries
00:35:45.87\00:35:48.28
will go together, and
we'll spend time. It's a long
00:35:48.34\00:35:50.68
drive usually, so you
have a lot of time together
00:35:50.71\00:35:52.61
in the car; lots
of opportunities for
00:35:52.68\00:35:55.08
conversations and
getting to know each other on a
00:35:55.15\00:35:57.35
deeper level, and a lot
of people give their lives
00:35:57.45\00:36:00.12
to Jesus there at GYC.
They make decisions for
00:36:00.19\00:36:02.92
Him, so that's a
big blessing for us and
00:36:02.99\00:36:06.13
for them. - I usually
go to GYC like, almost
00:36:06.19\00:36:09.40
every year, and it's
such an awesome, awesome
00:36:09.50\00:36:13.34
conference, because
people ask, "Well, where are the
00:36:13.40\00:36:15.24
young people in the church?"
Well if you go to GYC...
00:36:15.30\00:36:18.11
- You will see. -
Yeah. You'll see all these
00:36:18.21\00:36:20.58
young people that are on
fire for Christ. And wherever
00:36:20.64\00:36:25.01
GYC goes, it's like the
city's never left the same
00:36:25.11\00:36:27.62
'cause the outreach,
which is, again, why what you
00:36:27.68\00:36:32.12
guys do is so important
and so crucial: going on
00:36:32.19\00:36:35.82
these public campuses and
trying to reach these students-
00:36:35.89\00:36:40.00
students that may be
atheist just like the
00:36:40.03\00:36:42.56
professor-you know.
What challenges have you guys
00:36:42.60\00:36:46.47
faced in trying to reach
out to students on campus?
00:36:46.53\00:36:50.77
- Well, I know a
big challenge for me is
00:36:52.17\00:36:53.51
I'm an introvert, so
it's hard when you have all
00:36:53.61\00:36:56.14
these people-50,000 students-
and you're going out and trying
00:36:56.18\00:36:59.41
to reach people. It's
kind of like, "Ahh! How do I
00:36:59.51\00:37:02.22
do this?" So, it can be
intimidating; but one thing
00:37:02.28\00:37:05.65
that I learned
through my CAMPUS year and as
00:37:05.72\00:37:08.32
I've been growing as a
Christian is that when Jesus
00:37:08.39\00:37:11.93
is in your heart, you
do things that you wouldn't
00:37:11.99\00:37:14.10
normally do-and
that's crazy to me, because I
00:37:14.16\00:37:17.93
never would've seen myself
going out and giving Bible
00:37:18.03\00:37:20.00
studies or speaking upfront,
sharing my testimony and
00:37:20.07\00:37:22.50
things like that. But
Jesus changes the way that you
00:37:22.57\00:37:25.57
look at people, and you
want to help them. And so,
00:37:25.64\00:37:28.44
that was just a way
that I overcame the challenge
00:37:28.51\00:37:31.21
of being introverted
and being shy. - And you're
00:37:31.28\00:37:34.78
doing a television interview!
[laughter] I mean... - That
00:37:34.88\00:37:37.69
is true. - And you're
doing a television interview,
00:37:37.75\00:37:40.86
so...yeah. That's proof
right there. - Something
00:37:40.92\00:37:43.63
that I also thought about
while Julianna was talking
00:37:43.73\00:37:46.53
was the challenge of
failure. You know, when you do
00:37:46.63\00:37:49.50
ministry, there are
times where you feel like, "Is
00:37:49.56\00:37:52.37
this going to be successful?
Is this going to actually work?"
00:37:52.43\00:37:55.70
I remember the first
Bible study that I ever did, we
00:37:55.80\00:37:58.27
got to the Sabbath, the
conversation surrounding
00:37:58.37\00:38:01.14
it, and that was my
last study with that person.
00:38:01.21\00:38:03.24
They literally just
closed the door on me, and it
00:38:03.35\00:38:05.81
was a really tough
spot for them. I mean, it's
00:38:05.85\00:38:09.68
attesting truth. And
so, the challenge of failure
00:38:09.75\00:38:12.49
is a real challenge.
One of the encouraging
00:38:12.55\00:38:15.99
quotes that I remember
from Christian Service,
00:38:16.09\00:38:17.86
page 100, where Ellen
White says, "If you fail
00:38:17.93\00:38:21.10
99 times out of 100
but succeed in bringing one
00:38:21.16\00:38:25.27
soul to Christ,
you've done a noble deed for
00:38:25.33\00:38:27.57
the Master's cause. -
Mm. - So, I always remember
00:38:27.64\00:38:29.64
that, you know? So, the
challenge of failure. We
00:38:29.74\00:38:32.24
must also remember that
there is that one person
00:38:32.31\00:38:35.38
out of 100, even
though we might fail 99 times
00:38:35.44\00:38:38.95
that the Lord is bringing
us to. - Amen. Amen. And
00:38:39.01\00:38:43.28
when you think about Christ
and the sacrifice that He made,
00:38:43.35\00:38:47.42
if it were just you on
this earth, He would've
00:38:47.52\00:38:50.73
done it. - Exactly. -
If it was you, He would've
00:38:50.79\00:38:52.26
done it. If it were just
you, He would've done it.
00:38:52.33\00:38:53.90
And if it were just
me, He would've done it.
00:38:53.96\00:38:55.80
And if it were just
you at home, He would've
00:38:55.86\00:38:58.03
come and died for
you because He loves you
00:38:58.17\00:39:00.67
that much...and
that's an amazing amount of
00:39:00.74\00:39:04.97
love. What can we talk
about with the spring break
00:39:05.04\00:39:10.51
trip? - Yeah, so... - It
looks like that's Miranda's
00:39:10.61\00:39:13.92
steal there. [laughter]
- So basically, every year,
00:39:14.02\00:39:18.69
the CAMPUS missionaries,
they take a spring break
00:39:18.75\00:39:21.32
trip somewhere. They
decide where they can
00:39:21.39\00:39:23.53
go, where they can make
an impact... And during my
00:39:23.59\00:39:25.86
CAMPUS year, we actually
decided to go to Texas to
00:39:25.93\00:39:30.03
help some Cambodian refugees
during the hurricane recovery.
00:39:30.10\00:39:34.40
What we ended up doing
there was we helped tear
00:39:36.67\00:39:38.47
down houses, and we also
helped to build some houses,
00:39:38.57\00:39:41.24
paint some houses,
and we really got to reach
00:39:41.31\00:39:43.21
out to the
community, pray with the people
00:39:43.28\00:39:44.61
there... A lot of
them are from Cambodia, and
00:39:44.65\00:39:47.65
they don't know who
God is, and they are new to
00:39:47.72\00:39:50.45
America. So, we were
able to pray with them
00:39:50.52\00:39:52.95
and talk with them and
just get to know them and show
00:39:53.02\00:39:55.56
them who Jesus is. And
one cool thing about that
00:39:55.62\00:39:58.16
trip was that we all got
a shirt, and on the front
00:39:58.23\00:40:01.16
it said, "Jesus Army"
in big letters, so there
00:40:01.23\00:40:04.00
was... During our week
there, I think there was
00:40:04.10\00:40:06.87
about 300 people from
different college campuses
00:40:06.94\00:40:09.14
that took time off of
their spring breaks to
00:40:09.20\00:40:11.87
come and serve. And
so, we would walk down the
00:40:11.91\00:40:14.51
streets-like 300 of
us- and we all had "Jesus
00:40:14.58\00:40:16.81
Army" on our shirt.
So, when we would go into
00:40:16.88\00:40:19.18
people's homes or when
we'd go to help people,
00:40:19.28\00:40:21.08
they would ask, "Who is
Jesus? What is Jesus Army?"
00:40:21.15\00:40:23.99
And we really got to make
a big impact there. We got
00:40:24.05\00:40:27.36
to help make an impact,
so it was a blessing. - Nice.
00:40:27.42\00:40:30.16
What are some other
stories in addition to
00:40:30.23\00:40:34.83
that where you've
seen lives transformed as a
00:40:34.90\00:40:37.53
result of your ministry?
- Something I would like
00:40:37.57\00:40:39.90
to mention: there
are some stories that we
00:40:39.97\00:40:41.54
cannot share, but there's
one that I thought about,
00:40:41.57\00:40:43.94
because obviously we're
kind of still in the process
00:40:44.01\00:40:46.91
of leading people
to Christ-so those into
00:40:46.94\00:40:50.41
a closer relationship
with Him. Sometime ago, I was
00:40:50.45\00:40:54.92
walking on campus, and
I was just meeting people
00:40:55.02\00:40:59.02
and I was doing some flyers.
It was a Sabbath afternoon,
00:40:59.09\00:41:01.59
and I ran into
someone. I was praying. I was
00:41:01.66\00:41:04.73
reading this book that
said something along the
00:41:04.76\00:41:07.66
lines of, "The
reason why most revivals on
00:41:07.73\00:41:10.80
public universities failed"-
way back in history, there
00:41:10.87\00:41:14.70
were some revivals
on college campuses-and
00:41:14.80\00:41:16.91
the author had suggested
that the reason was that
00:41:17.81\00:41:19.67
people were reaching
the students, but no one was
00:41:19.77\00:41:22.41
reaching the
faculty. And so I prayed and I
00:41:22.48\00:41:25.28
said, "Lord, I need to
find a faculty that I can
00:41:25.35\00:41:27.82
talk to.' The
professor became one, and then
00:41:27.85\00:41:30.99
I started talking
with someone else who was
00:41:31.05\00:41:33.86
also in a position
there, and I realized from that
00:41:33.92\00:41:38.99
initial meeting that this
person does believe in God
00:41:39.06\00:41:43.26
and does believe in prayer,
and I never actually thought
00:41:43.33\00:41:46.17
about it. But
recently, I was able to go in,
00:41:46.23\00:41:48.37
and I sat down with
this person-someone who's
00:41:48.44\00:41:51.61
a vice president for a
department. I sat down,
00:41:51.67\00:41:54.94
and I had no agenda for
the meeting; I just walked
00:41:55.01\00:41:57.68
in and I said, "I have
something to share with
00:41:57.71\00:41:59.88
you from the Bible."
The person said, "Go ahead."
00:41:59.91\00:42:02.82
So I felt that was encouraging.
- Uh-huh. - So I sat down,
00:42:02.88\00:42:05.92
opened up the Word of God,
and began to- I talked about
00:42:05.99\00:42:09.12
some principles from
the Bible that leaders need,
00:42:09.19\00:42:11.69
especially in such high
positions. And after the
00:42:11.79\00:42:15.00
Bible study, she
cried. She broke down and she
00:42:15.06\00:42:19.40
said, "God has sent
you here for a reason, and
00:42:19.50\00:42:22.34
I'm so very happy
that He brought you into my
00:42:22.40\00:42:25.47
life for example
and has allowed us to be
00:42:25.57\00:42:29.24
able to sit together
in my office and study
00:42:29.31\00:42:31.21
the Bible." - Yes. -
And so, God is doing amazing
00:42:31.28\00:42:34.22
things, and I think Miranda,
you could tell us, as well,
00:42:34.28\00:42:37.05
about what happened
to you your year. - Yeah.
00:42:37.15\00:42:40.52
Well, as we've already
talked about, Julianna,
00:42:41.46\00:42:42.86
she decided to take a year
off to do the CAMPUS missionary
00:42:42.92\00:42:45.33
program. And during
her year, I was reached out
00:42:45.36\00:42:50.47
to, and that's how
I ended up joining the
00:42:50.57\00:42:52.57
church and when I decided to
take the year off for CAMPUS.
00:42:52.63\00:42:55.50
Every year, we meet a
lot of people and we're
00:42:55.54\00:42:57.91
able to do a lot of
Bible studies and really reach
00:42:57.97\00:43:00.48
the community. But during
my year, I was able to meet
00:43:00.54\00:43:02.78
a guy named Ahmad. He
was a senior at Michigan
00:43:02.84\00:43:05.75
State University,
and... pretty much the same
00:43:05.81\00:43:09.62
thing that happened to
me when I was a student. We
00:43:09.72\00:43:11.79
reached out to him,
and he became part of our
00:43:11.85\00:43:13.66
family. He would come
over almost every day and do
00:43:13.72\00:43:17.29
Bible studies with us,
and just hang out with us and
00:43:17.36\00:43:19.66
see how we live as Christians.
He ended up giving his life
00:43:19.79\00:43:24.27
to Jesus, as well, after
studying. And so, it's just
00:43:24.33\00:43:27.37
cool to see the
chain reaction, even that
00:43:27.47\00:43:30.71
God talks about in
the Bible-how when we win
00:43:30.77\00:43:34.24
souls, those souls go
out and they can win other
00:43:34.31\00:43:36.68
souls. It's just powerful
to reflect upon, see, how much
00:43:36.78\00:43:40.82
God changed my life through
CAMPUS Ministries and then
00:43:40.92\00:43:43.52
how I was able to
reach Ahmad. And Ahmad this
00:43:43.65\00:43:46.86
year, he's actually a
CAMPUS missionary, too.
00:43:46.96\00:43:49.09
- Wow. - He took HIS year
off. He was about to finish
00:43:49.19\00:43:52.09
school, actually. He
had two classes left, and he
00:43:52.19\00:43:55.36
decided to take the
year off to do Public Campus
00:43:55.43\00:43:57.57
Ministries. And
during his year this year, he
00:43:57.63\00:44:00.17
was able to reach out to
a lot of people, as well,
00:44:00.27\00:44:02.04
so... - And
Ahmad's god sister also got
00:44:02.14\00:44:04.97
baptized, too. - Mhm. -
As result of Ahmad standing
00:44:05.07\00:44:08.24
up for Christ. - Wow. -
So, he got baptized, and then
00:44:08.34\00:44:11.18
his god sister got baptized,
as well. - Wow. So you never
00:44:11.25\00:44:13.95
really realize the
impact that spreading the gospel
00:44:14.02\00:44:16.79
has. I can't wait
till we get to heaven so
00:44:16.85\00:44:18.95
we can really see... -
I have so many questions.
00:44:19.05\00:44:22.49
- Yeah. [laughter] Me too.
- So many questions for God.
00:44:22.59\00:44:25.63
- Absolutely. Well, we've got
one more song, and we're gonna
00:44:25.76\00:44:28.90
be blessed again by
Naomi Jackson. This song is
00:44:28.96\00:44:32.53
entitled, "There Is Hope."
00:44:32.63\00:44:35.04
There is a hope that
burns within my heart
00:44:49.12\00:44:56.22
That gives me
strength for every passing day
00:44:56.69\00:45:03.26
A glimpse of glory now
revealed in meagre part
00:45:03.87\00:45:10.97
Yet drives all doubt away:
00:45:11.21\00:45:17.91
I stand in Christ
with sins forgiven
00:45:18.35\00:45:25.79
And Christ in me,
the hope of heaven!
00:45:26.05\00:45:32.46
My highest
calling and my deepest joy
00:45:32.79\00:45:39.93
To make His will my home
00:45:40.07\00:45:46.78
There is a hope
that lifts my weary head
00:45:47.64\00:45:54.02
A consolation
strong against despair
00:45:54.45\00:46:01.32
That when this world has
plunged me in its deepest pit
00:46:01.62\00:46:08.83
I find the Savior there
00:46:09.16\00:46:15.94
Through present
sufferings, future's fears
00:46:16.71\00:46:23.95
He whispers 'courage' in my ear
00:46:24.31\00:46:30.52
For I am safe
in everlasting arms
00:46:30.89\00:46:38.03
And they will lead me home
00:46:38.29\00:46:44.70
There is a hope that
stands the test of time
00:47:11.89\00:47:18.33
That lifts my eyes
beyond the beckoning grave
00:47:18.63\00:47:25.34
To see the matchless
beauty of a day divine
00:47:25.67\00:47:32.61
When I behold His face!
00:47:32.71\00:47:39.25
When sufferings
cease and sorrows die
00:47:39.62\00:47:46.66
And every longing satisfied
00:47:47.10\00:47:53.20
Then joy
unspeakable will flood my soul
00:47:53.54\00:48:00.48
For I am truly home
00:48:00.68\00:48:07.32
When sufferings
cease and sorrows die
00:48:07.75\00:48:14.82
And every longing satisfied
00:48:15.12\00:48:21.26
Then joy
unspeakable will flood my soul
00:48:21.56\00:48:30.31
For I am truly home
00:48:31.34\00:48:40.82
- Thank you for blessing
us with another beautiful
00:48:54.76\00:48:56.56
song, Naomi. I
can't believe our time is
00:48:56.70\00:48:59.80
almost over. - Went by
too fast. - It did! Time
00:48:59.90\00:49:04.44
has been flying by,
and you guys are doing an
00:49:04.54\00:49:06.47
amazing work for the Lord.
You know, it's interesting,
00:49:06.57\00:49:10.08
because today, it's
like society has... It's like
00:49:10.18\00:49:14.98
morality has gone out
the window-and especially on
00:49:15.08\00:49:18.15
these college
campuses of public universities
00:49:18.22\00:49:21.36
and all of that
stuff. You guys are taking
00:49:21.42\00:49:24.69
the gospel to these
public universities and to these
00:49:24.79\00:49:27.96
students, and that is
amazing, because I can
00:49:28.06\00:49:33.00
only imagine, like, how
much opposition that you
00:49:33.10\00:49:36.77
face on a day-to-day
basis. Well, what are
00:49:36.87\00:49:39.77
some of your needs?
- You know, I think the
00:49:39.84\00:49:42.84
primary need for us
is prayer. We solicit the
00:49:42.94\00:49:46.61
prayers of our friends
and our families within
00:49:46.72\00:49:49.28
our church circles, wherever
they are-wherever you are-
00:49:49.38\00:49:53.96
we would love to have
your prayers. Additionally, we
00:49:54.06\00:49:57.93
want our parents
to encourage our young
00:49:57.99\00:50:01.63
people to be faithful
to Christ on our public
00:50:01.73\00:50:04.30
universities. But not
only that, also we need
00:50:04.40\00:50:08.57
young people: young people
who are faithful to Christ,
00:50:08.67\00:50:11.24
young people who want
to give their lives to Him
00:50:11.34\00:50:13.91
in a, I guess you
could say, a powerful, mighty
00:50:13.98\00:50:19.71
way - want to be used
by Him to impact the world
00:50:19.81\00:50:22.88
around them. So, if
you're a young person who's
00:50:22.95\00:50:25.62
thinking about taking a
year off to do missionary
00:50:25.69\00:50:28.22
work on the public university,
we would love to hear from
00:50:28.32\00:50:30.26
you. You could visit
us online: CampusHope.com.
00:50:30.33\00:50:33.86
And then the last one is
financially. If we can have
00:50:33.96\00:50:38.70
people support financially,
that will be a blessing,
00:50:38.80\00:50:41.04
too. Every little
bit counts, and that also
00:50:41.10\00:50:44.41
helps, as well. But most
importantly, again, prayer
00:50:44.47\00:50:49.18
is what's keeping us.
I think it's because we
00:50:49.28\00:50:51.71
have good friends and
family members who are
00:50:51.81\00:50:54.12
praying for us that's
what is causing the many
00:50:54.22\00:50:57.09
miracles around us,
some of which we've shared
00:50:57.15\00:50:59.19
today. - Amen. Yeah.
It's gotta take a lot to
00:50:59.29\00:51:03.69
sustain that, and you
can never have enough people,
00:51:03.79\00:51:07.13
you can never have enough
prayers, and you can never
00:51:07.23\00:51:09.70
have enough financial
support, because as we
00:51:09.80\00:51:13.70
continue to come to the
close of Earth's history,
00:51:13.80\00:51:16.84
we gotta make sure this
Word is getting out rapidly,
00:51:16.91\00:51:19.97
and we want it to be
as accessible as possible.
00:51:20.04\00:51:22.64
And so, you guys are
doing an amazing job,
00:51:22.74\00:51:26.48
by the grace of God.
Well, we want people to know
00:51:26.58\00:51:29.78
how to get in touch with
you, how to get in contact
00:51:29.88\00:51:31.82
with you, how to
support you, and we're going to
00:51:31.92\00:51:33.79
go to a quick address
roll and the news break, and
00:51:33.86\00:51:36.49
we'll be right back.
00:51:36.59\00:51:37.99
- If you would like
to find out more about
00:51:40.56\00:51:42.23
CAMPUS and their Bible-based,
mission-driven classes that
00:51:42.30\00:51:45.60
prepare students to share
Jesus on secular campuses,
00:51:45.73\00:51:48.90
visit their
website: CampusHope.com
00:51:48.97\00:51:52.14
There, you will find
information about their
00:51:52.67\00:51:54.61
classes, internships,
events, or how to become
00:51:54.74\00:51:58.11
a sponsor for a missionary
or a missionary project.
00:51:58.18\00:52:01.42
That website,
again, is CampusHope.com.
00:52:01.52\00:52:05.19
You may call them
at (517) 316-1569,
00:52:05.29\00:52:10.19
or write to them at CAMPUS
00:52:10.29\00:52:12.53
520 Ann Street East
Lansing, Michigan 48823.
00:52:12.66\00:52:18.83